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blue May 15th, 2012 4:44 AM

[Spoiler]Team Plasma
 
Well it looks like Team Plasma and the Sages are back in Black & White 2!

http://pokebeach.com/news/0512/black-2-white-2/9.jpg

What purpose are they likely to serve in these games? Will N still be in power or will The Shadow Triad make a re-appearance? Discuss! Also notice the sage is mentioning "N"

dnomyar27 May 15th, 2012 4:59 AM

Team Plasma
 
[SIZE="a"]Well, maybe N is good now but with the heroes. the sages are powerful (maybe) or will steal another pokemon. I dont know i cant wait to see em in anime tv[/SIZE]

Spherical Ice May 15th, 2012 5:31 AM

Well, how did the Sages escape from Prison? Perhaps Looker was defeated by them? Or were they let out after two years?

I hope these get answered :D

dreamcatcher May 15th, 2012 6:07 AM

This is totally unrelated to Team Plasma, but those tiles irritate me :I they look unnatural in comparison to the character sprites. But in relation to the topic, I'm glad Team Plasma is back (although I was hoping for perhaps Team Rocket ;-;) they were an interesting team who had a much different goal that the previous evil teams.

~DarkAchu~ May 15th, 2012 6:13 AM

Well for one, they are in a house with random NPCs, and they are not being threatening, so it appears they have changed their ways and are just chilling with their pokemon. Also I believe the Sage is saying something along the lines that they do not know where N is.


Edit - After seeing the new picture from Pokejungle, These must be a splinter group as the picture shows the new Team Plasma which match the Black clothed people in early pictures. So what purpose do these guys serve? Just to give info about the other team and N?

Mew~ May 15th, 2012 7:27 AM

These images have been going around for a few hours now, it's unknown what they are - most likely anime related - but if they are legit I think it's poses a hint towards Team Plasma having a bigger role in these games idk.
http://www.pokebip.com/pokemon/images/2012/135.jpghttp://www.pokebip.com/pokemon/images/2012/133.jpg

Shiny Celebi May 15th, 2012 7:33 AM

That logo on their clothes is the Team Plasma logo, there are wearing different uniforms though. Very interesting. I wonder what role they play exactly? Since N is back I knew they'd be back too.

Xander Olivieri May 15th, 2012 8:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Shiny Celebi (Post 7176541)
That logo on their clothes is the Team Plasma logo, there are wearing different uniforms though. Very interesting. I wonder what role they play exactly? Since N is back I knew they'd be back too.

N isn't back. The screen shot from the game says he is still missing and no one knows where he is. Its the same thing they did with Team Rocket and Giovanni in Gold and Silver.

mikey May 15th, 2012 10:37 AM

Ugh. I hate team plasma and was hoping they wouldnt be in it. But whatever. I like the sages though~

Aquarius1997 May 15th, 2012 1:36 PM

Im suprised none of you noticed that the two ladies (who were i think nurses to N in b/w) are in the back room of the house i hope that they actually have a backstory

blue May 15th, 2012 1:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquarius1997 (Post 7176954)
Im suprised none of you noticed that the two ladies (who were i think nurses to N in b/w) are in the back room of the house i hope that they actually have a backstory

I noticed them when I saw the pink & yellow, it's Anthea & Concordia and I'm sure they have some involvement considering they seemed to be a part of Plasma and we're kind of unexplained.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 15th, 2012 2:37 PM

I was just about to point that out. Hopefully they will show more of them and how they're related to N...they seem to be around his age so they can't be his Nurses from birth...

Also if those people in black are Team Plasma it's nice to noticed the sudden change from White dominant Uniforms to Black. The fact that they're wearing a different color makes me think they might've broken up into two branches, with a Team Aqua Team Magma dynamic (the one they had in RS not the two sides are bad of Emerald)

Zayphora May 15th, 2012 4:34 PM

K, so they've changed from bizarre knights to bizarre ninjas....These costumes are better though. The mouth guard things are weird.

Apparently they have a large boat.

Zelda May 15th, 2012 5:46 PM

I'm glad Team Plasma is back! Plus the uniforms look great to be quite honest; I like it more than the original ones.

I wonder what they are up toooooooooo.

Jellicent♀ May 15th, 2012 7:41 PM

Yay! This is exciting, especially with their new outfits! It really makes it feels like it's coming into the future. Plus we get a little more info about them from the Sages and whatnot! Yay!

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 15th, 2012 8:38 PM

From Past to future? That seems to be a recruting theme in this generation with BW and BW2.
The new costumes are actually pretty cool, they make me think of government ninja's, though the mouth part looks like of odd...

Kenshin5 May 15th, 2012 9:01 PM

I get the feeling this is going to set up as Team Plasma vs. Team Plasma at the end of the day with N leading one branch and Ghetsis leading the other. I get the feeling that the people in the first post screen shots are on N side, including the Sage and the ones in black are obviously antagonizing. Hopefully we finally get to battle the Shadow Triad though.

Ho-Oh May 15th, 2012 9:30 PM

I think Ghetsis won't be in the games tbh. N won't really be a leader since they don't know where he is but he'll likely emerge later. I'd say the shadow triad have taken over the black ones while the white ones are lead by the sages. From the video I think Akuroma is a separate force.

Hikamaru May 16th, 2012 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Requility (Post 7177436)
I think Ghetsis won't be in the games tbh. N won't really be a leader since they don't know where he is but he'll likely emerge later. I'd say the shadow triad have taken over the black ones while the white ones are lead by the sages. From the video I think Akuroma is a separate force.

She's right, I don't think Akuroma is the leader of Team Plasma according to the anime-style trailer.

blue May 16th, 2012 2:07 AM

Yeah, I'm leaning more towards the Shadow Triad & Sages being in charge of two groups of Plasma Members (Black & White) if this theory is correct that is. About N well I'll assume he'll either help you take down Team Plasma reversing his role from Black & White or be an important part of it again but maybe not a "leader" this time.

Mr Cat Dog May 16th, 2012 6:44 AM

I just hope that there's some proper resolution this time around. Though I'm not one to really focus on the 'story' of Pokemon games, the way the Plasma arc of BW wrapped up kinda irked me with its lack of closure. I guess it makes sense, given that now there's a sequel, but all I want is a nice bit of finality for these games. Then I'll be happy!

Greenbeans May 16th, 2012 6:58 AM

well thats quite interresting, im looking forward to see how it turns out with team plazma back

ReleaseYourPokemon May 16th, 2012 7:17 AM

if N returns then I really will get this game

Zelda May 16th, 2012 8:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ReleaseYourPokemon (Post 7177881)
if N returns then I really will get this game

N is returning, haha. He was shown in the animation trailer (which you can see here ←), and in Coro Coro scans.

I'm very excited to see what the Shadow Triad is up to, and what they want. Team Plasma as well; their uniforms tell me that they are more serious about things and they actually have a clue. n__n

Jellicent♀ May 16th, 2012 8:13 AM

The Shadow Triad looks cool as heck, yo! o3o
I'm not too excited for N to come back, but at least it will give an epilogue as to what happened to him, which is always fun. <3
The new uniforms are pretty boss, as well. Maybe the new Plasma is ran by the Shadow Triad due to their intense loyalty to Ghetsis. Maybe he ordered them to remake Plasma, and they're just following orders. They never seem evil to me, just loyal to the man who saved their lives.

Mew~ May 16th, 2012 10:15 AM

I'm pretty confused as to what's going on with N. Also, anyone else thing we might actually see the Shadow Triad unmasked as Cilan, Chili and Cress?

blue May 16th, 2012 11:01 AM

It's likely although again it could just be a coincidence, either way I'm sure we'll learn more about the Shadow Triad in these games... they intrigue me.

Zelda May 17th, 2012 2:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Mew~ (Post 7178084)
I'm pretty confused as to what's going on with N.

Most likely because all we've seen are his dreamy looks. :B /shot

The necklace and bracelet that he's wearing represents Team Plasma right? At least the necklace looks like it does. If this is the case, I'm pretty sure N might still be with Team Plasma and they are following his side. I'm really curious about his plans though.

Ho-Oh May 17th, 2012 2:37 AM

With the recent translations of what went on in the video I'm kinda annoyed they still want to release people's Pokemon, wouldn't it be better y'know if they had a new goal with new clothing! Dunno, I think they should've learnt their lesson by then.

Zelda May 17th, 2012 2:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Requility (Post 7179074)
With the recent translations of what went on in the video I'm kinda annoyed they still want to release people's Pokemon, wouldn't it be better y'know if they had a new goal with new clothing! Dunno, I think they should've learnt their lesson by then.

Still thinking that there are two sides to Plasma, and that the ones in black are with Ghetsis - sticking with the same plan to achieve the goal by now.

Ho-Oh May 17th, 2012 3:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaori (Post 7179078)

Still thinking that there are two sides to Plasma, and that the ones in black are with Ghetsis - sticking with the same plan to achieve the goal by now.

Yeah but if Ghetsis was back, wouldn't he have learnt his lesson that no, brainwashing people into freeing their Pokemon doesn't work. It just confuses me, why not just get a new goal to fool people, rather than something a great portion of Unova would most likely know, unless everyone else was killed off by the great Unova freezing of 2012.

Jellicent♀ May 17th, 2012 5:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Requility (Post 7179104)


Yeah but if Ghetsis was back, wouldn't he have learnt his lesson that no, brainwashing people into freeing their Pokemon doesn't work. It just confuses me, why not just get a new goal to fool people, rather than something a great portion of Unova would most likely know, unless everyone else was killed off by the great Unova freezing of 2012.

Seems to me that this time around they're using scare tactics rather than brainwashing. They're taking on a well known Gym Leader (Cheren) in the video with like, thirty against three. Cheren's going to talk. So I just feel like they're just going to try to scare the heck out of people rather than trying to sympathize with them.

ReleaseYourPokemon May 17th, 2012 8:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Jellicent♀ (Post 7179212)
Seems to me that this time around they're using scare tactics rather than brainwashing. They're taking on a well known Gym Leader (Cheren) in the video with like, thirty against three. Cheren's going to talk. So I just feel like they're just going to try to scare the heck out of people rather than trying to sympathize with them.

so like... "RAWR RELEASE YOUR POKEMON!". I thought Ghetsis wanted to take over the world or something. I wonder what N himself will do in this game.

Asuf May 17th, 2012 12:39 PM

I'm sure team plasma will have a different goal since we proved our point was better in Black & White with the battle on the tower. I have no clue what their new goal is to be however...
So many questions, I can't wait for the games to be released! :P

Zayphora May 17th, 2012 12:57 PM

My strange self thought N was standing at the spear pillar when i saw him, not caring that the spear pillar is a bajillion miles away from Unova. xD

Hope that we get to battle that girl with the Seviper. Also I am excited that they actually have decent Poke's. Of course, the anime video is probably lying and it's just the bosses that have the good Poke's and the grunts all have Patrats and Trubbish. Because GAME FREAK are trolls.

Zelda May 17th, 2012 4:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Requility (Post 7179104)
Yeah but if Ghetsis was back, wouldn't he have learnt his lesson that no, brainwashing people into freeing their Pokemon doesn't work. It just confuses me, why not just get a new goal to fool people, rather than something a great portion of Unova would most likely know, unless everyone else was killed off by the great Unova freezing of 2012.

It's two years later, I'm sure Ghetsis has much more up his sleeve with Team Plasma and all. Even if he's still attempting to brainwash people, he could be doing so through Akuroma, who may be very well liked by the people of Unova, so they don't expect anything.

Greenbeans May 17th, 2012 4:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jellicent♀ (Post 7177943)
The Shadow Triad looks cool as heck, yo! o3o
I'm not too excited for N to come back, but at least it will give an epilogue as to what happened to him, which is always fun. <3
The new uniforms are pretty boss, as well. Maybe the new Plasma is ran by the Shadow Triad due to their intense loyalty to Ghetsis. Maybe he ordered them to remake Plasma, and they're just following orders. They never seem evil to me, just loyal to the man who saved their lives.

In my opinion i would in fact like to see N return, team plazma and N are the only villians in pokemon that i actually seem to understand so far.
But i do like the way that your thinking, it would be nice to see what happened to the shadow triads and if they will still stay loyal to team plazma.

Ho-Oh May 18th, 2012 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaori (Post 7179921)

It's two years later, I'm sure Ghetsis has much more up his sleeve with Team Plasma and all. Even if he's still attempting to brainwash people, he could be doing so through Akuroma, who may be very well liked by the people of Unova, so they don't expect anything.

Plasma members were still shocked by his true intentions though so idk why they'd go back to him. :(

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Originally Posted by Zayphora (Post 7179649)
My strange self thought N was standing at the spear pillar when i saw him, not caring that the spear pillar is a bajillion miles away from Unova. xD

Hope that we get to battle that girl with the Seviper. Also I am excited that they actually have decent Poke's. Of course, the anime video is probably lying and it's just the bosses that have the good Poke's and the grunts all have Patrats and Trubbish. Because GAME FREAK are trolls.

YES, I want to battle her, I feel like she's an admin or an important figure in Plasma or idk with the hair, maybe Concordia or something...?

Killjoy May 19th, 2012 8:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Team Fail
Wait... Didn't all the Sages get taken away by Looker? What happened there?

Looker is incompetent, so a lot could have happened lol

I'm liking the idea of two sides of plasma being at odds with each other, hopping it does end up being that way.

Cinto May 19th, 2012 9:29 PM

That would be really interesting. But I have a feeling what actually happens isn't what we're all guessing...Just a feeling. I don't have any theories myself. lol

Also, Akuroma looks a bit like a more refined Germany from Hetalia, doesn't he? O-O;
And also his face reminds me of the guy from the Battle Castle in Platinum/HGSS...forgot his name, but the one who's always with Caitlin.

I don't think the Shadow Trio are the Striaton Gym Leaders, the Shadow Trio are more muscular and built differently. Personality and looks can be changed, yeah, but not body structure. (At least not within a few days.)

miltankRancher May 19th, 2012 10:58 PM

Two sides of Plasma is good. I am all in for it. akuroma struck me as liek the main antagonist, with Ghetsis (if that old man appears again)

Maybe the Sgaes were pardoned, and they realized how bad Ghetsis was.

Peeta May 20th, 2012 11:14 AM

I'm glad they're back in it, they need more explaining especially with the Shadow Triad. I think we'll get to find out their origins and the sages specifically.

SolarAbusoru May 20th, 2012 11:23 AM

I do remember one of the sages in the first games saying he would like to see N rise up against Ghetsis, so, is the 2 faction idea is present (which it no doubt is) what if N appears to lead the reformed Plasma against the New Plasma, who would probs be led by Ghetsis in secret.....maybe?

Danthisiswhoiam May 21st, 2012 9:35 AM

What happend to N?
 
[SIZE="a"]I think he in bw2 just there gonna keep it from us till last minuet[/SIZE]

italyitaly May 21st, 2012 9:45 AM

N? Well he's not gone. Have you guys been to Serebii.net lately? There's pre-release pictures with N still present. Apparently the enemy this time is Team Plasma, so I'm not exactly sure how this story's gonna play out. But I still hope we get to see the characters from the first BW, and my favorites from DP. Like Lucas.

KingCyndaquil May 21st, 2012 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by italyitaly (Post 7184864)
N? Well he's not gone. Have you guys been to Serebii.net lately? There's pre-release pictures with N still present. Apparently the enemy this time is Team Plasma, so I'm not exactly sure how this story's gonna play out. But I still hope we get to see the characters from the first BW, and my favorites from DP. Like Lucas.

yeah i saw it, but that doesnt necessarily mean he will be in it.

chaos11011 May 21st, 2012 1:15 PM

I have a feeling that if you pick Black 2, Team Plasma will be lead by the Shadow Triad and have the new outfit. If you pick White 2, Team Plasma will be led by the Sages and have the old outfit. Black 2 could have one of the Admins being the Seviper Grunt and White 2 can have Concordia and Anthea?

Shadow Triad Plasma's goal can be awakening the Legendary Dragon to rule the world (Ghetsis last wish) and Sage Plasma's goal can be awakening the Legendary Dragon to punish those who enslave Pokemon?

KingCyndaquil May 21st, 2012 1:53 PM

i love the idea of an old team plasma vs. new team plasma theme, but where would the player stand on this? i dont think it would work out as well as everybody thinks unless N asks the player to team up with him to take down the old one once and for all, but even that is farfetched, no pun intended, so i really don't know. but the idea is truly great.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 22nd, 2012 2:49 PM

Perhaps if they were to play the Magma vs. Aqua Dynamic from RS, the player could team up with the one that isn't trying to steal Pokemon. The "nice" team could help the player hold of the other plasma, or give you infomation on where they're going.
I would like though if there was one, but with two opposing sides, showing conflict of intrests within the organization.

Plasmette May 22nd, 2012 3:07 PM

It would be cool if the creation Trio Appeared. After all, the Shadow Triad the Orbs couldn't have just been a means to get the player the orbs conveniently...right?

Bethanie May 22nd, 2012 3:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dnomyar27 (Post 7176362)
[SIZE="a"]Well, maybe N is good now but with the heroes. the sages are powerful (maybe) or will steal another pokemon. I dont know i cant wait to see em in anime tv

I don't think so...it seemed like he really didn't get the connection between humans and Pokemon. I saw something about him going to another region...I'm not quite sure if that's true.[/SIZE]

Guy May 25th, 2012 3:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bethanie (Post 7186817)
I don't think so...it seemed like he really didn't get the connection between humans and Pokemon. I saw something about him going to another region...I'm not quite sure if that's true.

It's true, N did leave to another region at the end. However, when he returns in B2W2 (we all know he will), I don't think he's going to be on the side of Team Plasma. Ghetsis betrayed him, used him, and I don't think N is the type of person who's just going to forgive and forget that so easily, regardless of the time jump. I think N's going to be on his own with his own personal agenda.

What I find interesting about Team Plasma in B2W2 is that there are like two sides. The white uniform and the black uniform. Now unless their clothes are specific to each version, I'm betting that Team Plasma may be split into two teams. That's just my theory anyway. I also think it's possible Akuroma may be on the side of the Black Team Plasma going against the White Team Plasma's continuous plan from Black and White. Which, I assume the old Team Plasma would be lead by the Seven Sages and Ghetsis, who will reveal himself later near the end, or so my mind is telling me.

KingCyndaquil May 25th, 2012 4:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Aerilyn (Post 7190625)

It's true, N did leave to another region at the end. However, when he returns in B2W2 (we all know he will), I don't think he's going to be on the side of Team Plasma. Ghetsis betrayed him, used him, and I don't think N is the type of person who's just going to forgive and forget that so easily, regardless of the time jump. I think N's going to be on his own with his own personal agenda.

What I find interesting about Team Plasma in B2W2 is that there are like two sides. The white uniform and the black uniform. Now unless their clothes are specific to each version, I'm betting that Team Plasma may be split into two teams. That's just my theory anyway. I also think it's possible Akuroma may be on the side of the Black Team Plasma going against the White Team Plasma's continuous plan from Black and White. Which, I assume the old Team Plasma would be lead by the Seven Sages and Ghetsis, who will reveal himself later near the end, or so my mind is telling me.

I could be wrong here, but at different parts of the game Akuroma helps the player, in the trailer, the player is battling the black uniformed team plasma, now I think that the white team plasma are the guys that want to get back at Ghetsis, which Akumora and the Seven Sages (maybe along with N) will be in charge of, and the black uniformed team plasma is the one that Ghetsis is in charge of.

Considering that the Seven Sages are out of jail in two years, its plausible to think that they are out on good behavior, thus learning your lesson, which you may see signs of if you bothered to find them in B/W.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 25th, 2012 6:04 PM

^ That's what I was thinking, the sages seemed to have repented for their actions. Perhaps they will elaborate further on N's past from what they told us in BW.
Also it's possible Ghetsis might not appear at all...he could be a hidden, shadow antagonist all the way through...

KingCyndaquil May 26th, 2012 9:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7190780)
^ That's what I was thinking, the sages seemed to have repented for their actions. Perhaps they will elaborate further on N's past from what they told us in BW.
Also it's possible Ghetsis might not appear at all...he could be a hidden, shadow antagonist all the way through...

if the Shadow Triad makes an appearance, i'm sure he will too, I don't think they will listen to anybody but Ghetsis himself.

Zelda May 26th, 2012 1:50 PM

Maybe Ghetsis died over the years and half of Team Plasma seek to achieve his unfinished goal, no matter what it would take. :B :x

blue May 26th, 2012 2:29 PM

Well if Team Plasma are returning then I'd expect Ghetsis to also return, he was a main character in the game and had such an important role in Team Plasma and to just cast him off would be kinda wrong IMO.

KingCyndaquil May 26th, 2012 3:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7191988)
Well if Team Plasma are returning then I'd expect Ghetsis to also return, he was a main character in the game and had such an important role in Team Plasma and to just cast him off would be kinda wrong IMO.

as much as i agree with this, in GSC they did Neo Team Rocket without Giovanni

Kenmoor May 26th, 2012 3:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7191988)
Well if Team Plasma are returning then I'd expect Ghetsis to also return, he was a main character in the game and had such an important role in Team Plasma and to just cast him off would be kinda wrong IMO.

True and don't forget that only 2 years passed. It's enough for a change in the region, characters, etc. but for a death? Ghetsis must've had some random stroke. Just how old was he anyways? Plus the Shadow Triad. What would happen to them once Ghetsis died? Well... the Shadow Triad did have specific orders not to contact their master... so...? They didn't know? As if. They probably stalked Ghetsis unless he himself died in some random woods then I doubt it if the Shadow Traid didn't know about his death.
Anyways, it seems to me that Ghetsis should have some random shocker secret and he should have this grand entrance just like in BW (well not the entrance but if they manage to pull that off...)

KingCyndaquil May 26th, 2012 4:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenmoor (Post 7192067)
True and don't forget that only 2 years passed. It's enough for a change in the region, characters, etc. but for a death? Ghetsis must've had some random stroke. Just how old was he anyways? Plus the Shadow Triad. What would happen to them once Ghetsis died? Well... the Shadow Triad did have specific orders not to contact their master... so...? They didn't know? As if. They probably stalked Ghetsis unless he himself died in some random woods then I doubt it if the Shadow Traid didn't know about his death.
Anyways, it seems to me that Ghetsis should have some random shocker secret and he should have this grand entrance just like in BW (well not the entrance but if they manage to pull that off...)

I don't particualy think he died, but went off to think of another plan, its possible he knew about Black/White Kuyrem all this time, which is why he didn't consider it a big deal when the player caught a dragon, he could still get Kuyrem

Kenmoor May 28th, 2012 12:46 PM

Oh look, a Possible Spoiler Appeared (look an Old Joke Appeared!) That theory does seem to actually fit. Though Kyurem wasn't bothered at all by Team Plasma during BW it is the center of BW2 w/its new forms. I'm gonna bet that just like Genesect, Kyurem was experimented on by Ghetsis. I guess 2 years is enough for a successful experiment.
Or maybe Ghetsis pissed off Kyurem too much and he got frozen. Then while the protagonist is derping through the Giant Chasm they'll find a frozen Ghetsis.

Kenshin5 May 28th, 2012 4:41 PM

My guess would be is the two sides White and Black are supported by two separate sides White being the Sages and Black by the Shadow Triad. I believe Ghetsis is apart of the Black Plasma as Shadow Triad helped him bust out of jail. And the White may be the people that don't agree with his way of "freeing" pokemon now that they know his true intentions. I am sure the White would like to rally around N but now that he is missing they are in somewhat disarray. N could back the White side once he comes into the picture and then face off with Ghetsis the Leader of the Black side too finally end their "feud" so to speak.

Seems like it will be Magma/Aqua like to me. Too sides clashing against to separate but similar ideals.

KingCyndaquil May 28th, 2012 4:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenshin5 (Post 7194957)
My guess would be is the two sides White and Black are supported by two separate sides White being the Sages and Black by the Shadow Triad. I believe Ghetsis is apart of the Black Plasma as Shadow Triad helped him bust out of jail. And the White may be the people that don't agree with his way of "freeing" pokemon now that they know his true intentions. I am sure the White would like to rally around N but now that he is missing they are in somewhat disarray. N could back the White side once he comes into the picture and then face off with Ghetsis the Leader of the Black side too finally end their "feud" so to speak.

Seems like it will be Magma/Aqua like to me. Too sides clashing against to separate but similar ideals.

that's a good theory, but where does the player come in? that's basically my only question, other than that it sounds great.

Xander Olivieri May 28th, 2012 5:01 PM

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Originally Posted by KingCyndaquil (Post 7194988)
that's a good theory, but where does the player come in? that's basically my only question, other than that it sounds great.

If it plays out like the Aqua/Magma idea, then the player is the key to stopping the other team. May/Brendon were the real reason why one team was more triumphant than the other in the end because the PC tipped the scales over to the opposite team's side.

I would like it if true too, though they could always been two parts to one Plasma. A covert Ops group and the original group. There are a lot of mysteries still surrounding this team.

Kenshin5 May 28th, 2012 5:04 PM

By player do you mean Hilbert/Hilda or the ones we are using currently? If it is either hard to say. I can't really see the player siding with any of them. Especially not the Black faction as it seems you and the rival are working against them. As shown in the gameplay and video (which also includes Cheren opposing them as well).

Also curious as too how Looker will come to play with Plasma or World Police since he was pivotal in arresting all the Sages.

Also speaking of Sages and Triad I hope we get to battle them I am interested to see how their teams would be made up of.

KingCyndaquil May 28th, 2012 5:12 PM

If N and the white team plasma are for the greater good, then why would the player try to stop them? and yeah i'm talking about the new ones.

I can't really see the player and N and the white team plasma working together, if N is in deed in charge of them.

Jellicent♀ May 28th, 2012 6:44 PM

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Originally Posted by KingCyndaquil (Post 7195015)
If N and the white team plasma are for the greater good, then why would the player try to stop them? and yeah i'm talking about the new ones.

I can't really see the player and N and the white team plasma working together, if N is in deed in charge of them.

My guess would be that N is still trying to free Pokemon as well, with his old tactics of stealing Pokemon from trainers. However, I don't believe he would be using a fear tactic as I predict Ghetsis may be. Of course, it could be just as simple as he's a wanted criminal who refuses to be captured, and White Plasma defends him.

PaxAmericana May 31st, 2012 8:53 AM

I think, going with the two parts of the team theory, N realizes his mistakes, fixes them, and then returns changed from his old ways. Ghetsis has full control of Team Plasma, that is until N returns and splits Team Plasma in half, taking his good team with him. Ghetsis is enraged and the two teams feud. The protagonist helps the good half defeat the bad half throughout the entire story, and in the end the big showdown occurs, with the good half prevailing and Ghetsis gets locked up in a secret jail in the middle of nowhere.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 31st, 2012 3:10 PM

What if the scene with White Plasma is actually post game, or near end game. It could be the old Plasma hiding away waiting to take bad their name from the old side but never, or are about to attack.

Oryx June 2nd, 2012 4:22 PM

In the new screenshot, I would like to point out that Ghetsis is wearing all black, not the normal outfit he had in the last games. Another thing pointing to him being part of the Team Plasma we saw in the trailer.

Shiny Celebi June 2nd, 2012 4:52 PM

It seems N will confront Ghetsis and there will be some kind of showdown, I thought that might happen. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

Kenshin5 June 2nd, 2012 8:21 PM

Seems to be playing out how I thought it would. My wonder is N on White Plasma side or just serving his own agenda as his pokemon called him back to Unova. So him aiding White Plasma I am still iffy toward. This defnitely seems to cement the relationship between Black Plasma, Ghetsis, Shadow Triad.

Ho-Oh June 5th, 2012 9:20 PM

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-o0QG7hI0sE0/T87imTDY-hI/AAAAAAAAEIM/7FnUyXN32Ho/s1600/pic1454.jpg

Plasma has its own HQ and Akuroma is in it? How fancy.

(From today's new trailer).

WAIT. THAT LOOKS LIKE A SHIP. THE SHIP FROM THE ANIME TRAILER?!

Kenmoor June 5th, 2012 11:13 PM

But this ship looks so much more bigger... !!! Wha- a team w/a mobile command center?! Oh man. But another thing, why's Akuroma in it?! Did he take over as a new leader? Is he a rival for N's leadership? Did he steal Ghetsis' clothes and tried to role play in them? Hopefully more will be revealed soon... in another Japanese trailer which I can't translate at all.

SouKoLian9102 June 6th, 2012 12:24 AM

Maybe Akumora is another pawn that is controlled by Ghetsis... That ain't cool, bro. N probably doesn't know what Ghetsis is up to until they meet up and have a father-to-son chat. From one of the trailers it looks like N's Zekrom/Reshiram and Ghetsis'? Kyurem meet each other and maybe fuse together or something. I'm liking the Old!Plasma vs the New!Plasma.

Ho-Oh June 6th, 2012 6:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Kenmoor (Post 7205802)
But this ship looks so much more bigger... !!! Wha- a team w/a mobile command center?! Oh man. But another thing, why's Akuroma in it?! Did he take over as a new leader? Is he a rival for N's leadership? Did he steal Ghetsis' clothes and tried to role play in them? Hopefully more will be revealed soon... in another Japanese trailer which I can't translate at all.

Well imo it's not really that much bigger. Keep in mind that we didn't really see the full thing in the original footage - in fact, why would Plasma have multiple boats? I feel like it'd be more logical just to be that boat. XD;

SolarAbusoru June 6th, 2012 10:08 AM

They're not the same boat.
The one shown in the animated trailer is an open deck ship with multiples masts and a backside bridge.
The ship shown in the recent trailer is a modern personal cruiser with a front bridge and no masts, 2 exhausts. and a completely different colour scheme.

KingCyndaquil June 6th, 2012 10:39 AM

it can either be a boat going to something like the place that tells you how many people from different countries or team plasmas ship from the trailer, i don't really think the color scheme matters much at all

Ho-Oh June 6th, 2012 5:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SolarAbusoru (Post 7206205)
They're not the same boat.
The one shown in the animated trailer is an open deck ship with multiples masts and a backside bridge.
The ship shown in the recent trailer is a modern personal cruiser with a front bridge and no masts, 2 exhausts. and a completely different colour scheme.

Yeah but we don't know whether the full view boat we saw in the recent trailer was this one which doesn't really help us in determining whether this is the one from the trailer.

blue June 7th, 2012 1:44 AM

It also looks like they have a HQ this time like Team Galactic did in Platinum, hopefully they will be more involved in the storyline.

KingCyndaquil June 7th, 2012 9:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7206861)
It also looks like they have a HQ this time like Team Galactic did in Platinum, hopefully they will be more involved in the storyline.

like with Cyrus giving that speech to the grunts in Platnuim? that would be really cool if Ghetsis did that

agdragonrider June 7th, 2012 12:20 PM

I hope there's a time-machine. Or something like that. With Unova being an all-round more 'high-tech' region anyway and two years into the future?
That would be a good way of exploring Team Plasma/N's past.

Just a thought ;)

Just a little fact I found out about Black and White 2...
Giovanni is back.

Now I'm totally confused. :O there's so much incredibly cool stuff going on in these games, my brain is struggling to compute it all... It's all a bit, well... Much isn't it? It's like they're putting everything they've got into these games.
Maybe it's the end of an era? Maybe they're planning to introduce sixth gen in a whole new style???????
Hope not :)





PS: team plasma kind of annoy me. And N's story is depressing. :( lol

Zayphora June 7th, 2012 3:48 PM

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Originally Posted by agdragonrider (Post 7207224)
Just a thought ;)

Just a little fact I found out about Black and White 2...
Giovanni is back.

Now I'm totally confused. :O there's so much incredibly cool stuff going on in these games, my brain is struggling to compute it all... It's all a bit, well... Much isn't it? It's like they're putting everything they've got into these games.

Everyone is pretty sure that Giovanni is just there for world tournament inclusion. People agree that he's not a part of the storyline. If he was I'd be mad because they just can't put one random evil team leader in there. *stares obviously at avatar*

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 7th, 2012 7:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7206861)
It also looks like they have a HQ this time like Team Galactic did in Platinum, hopefully they will be more involved in the storyline.

I'm glad to see that they have an actual HQ this time.
Where do you think their HQ is located? Perhaps the HQ is N's castle rebuilt with added rooms (the castle was big but we really didn't see much of it at all).

KingCyndaquil June 7th, 2012 8:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7207476)

I'm glad to see that they have an actual HQ this time.
Where do you think their HQ is located? Perhaps the HQ is N's castle rebuilt with added rooms (the castle was big but we really didn't see much of it at all).

I don't think it'll be that far in the game, so i'm banking on a new area in east unnvoa

SolarAbusoru June 8th, 2012 1:16 AM

http://www.serebii.net/black2white2/flyingship.jpg

So has anyone seen this on serebii? cause I think we just found Plasma HQ

Ho-Oh June 8th, 2012 2:54 AM

Yeah I just noticed. I'm curious as to why it's flying though, unless it's harnessing energy from Kyurem considering it came from the space, or something...?

blue June 8th, 2012 4:48 AM

I've just saw that, to me it looks like the location of the HQ looking area we discovered the other day.

vaporeon7 June 8th, 2012 5:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Requility (Post 7207676)
Yeah I just noticed. I'm curious as to why it's flying though, unless it's harnessing energy from Kyurem considering it came from the space, or something...?

I think that is a rocket on the back if I can see it correctly, there have been stranger things in Pokémon after all.

Mr Cat Dog June 8th, 2012 6:20 AM

It certainly looks cool, whatever it is. Sort of like a ghost ship, in many ways, from the piratey days of yore. It does seem to fit with what was shown in the animated trailer, so this news is making me quite excited! :D

KingCyndaquil June 8th, 2012 10:04 AM

is the trailer out now? maybe there are more clues to what the boat is in the trailer.

blue June 8th, 2012 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by KingCyndaquil (Post 7207936)
is the trailer out now? maybe there are more clues to what the boat is in the trailer.

Nothing has been released yet but we may see something in Pokemon Smash tomorrow hopefully. With only two weeks to go they need to reveal quite a bit in a short space of time so I can see these next two weeks being very informative.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 8th, 2012 2:24 PM

Since they released something last week they will hopefully show something this week. I hope they show more of the shadow triad, lately they haven't been focus on much since the animated trailer...we still don't know their role in Plasma's new scheme...what ever that is...

Jellicent♀ June 8th, 2012 6:22 PM

I think the ship is more than likely where the main character, rival, and Cheren were seen with the new Plasma. My guess is that's their new hideout, and they travel the region with it, intimidating and scaring people to do their will. Those jerks!

Ho-Oh June 8th, 2012 6:29 PM

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Originally Posted by vaporeon7 (Post 7207751)
I think that is a rocket on the back if I can see it correctly, there have been stranger things in Pokémon after all.

Why would there be a rocket? Doesn't rocket mean it travels at a fast speed and not actually kinda floats. XD; I'm sure even with a rocket it wouldn't be able to keep the same direction.

Kenmoor June 12th, 2012 2:12 PM

Has anyone else noticed the bottom of the picture yet? The 4 random balls/buildings? What are those?
I see solar panels on the sails of that flying ship/maybe T.P. HQ. You think that Team Plasma has suddenly gone eco-friendly? Maybe that's their new objective, to stop all Trainers and Pokemon from littering. I don't know if I'm being serious or not...

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 12th, 2012 4:11 PM

Well pollution hurts Pokemon so it would make sense for them to be eco friendly...
Their objective might be the same to free Pokemon and get N to return similar to Team Rocket which still tried to make money (the Slowpoke debacle) and trying to get Giovanni to return at the same time.

Zayphora June 12th, 2012 4:17 PM

The buildings as far as we know are the tops of the futuristic building things in Opelucid. They look extremely similar.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 12th, 2012 4:23 PM

The two things are similar colors so I guess it's easy to confuse but yeah those are the buildings of what seems to be Opelucid.
I do wonder how they got that ship though...one would imagine Team plasma went bankrupt after N left...

Kenmoor June 12th, 2012 4:48 PM

Question: But the Futuristic Opelucid City WAS ONLY for Black (right?) So... can't we scratch Opelucid City off as an option? Anyways what would they be doing in Drayden's/Iris' home turf? They'll just be swatted/burned/Hyper Beamed out of the sky.
As for the ship... maybe... they got a rich sponsor?


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