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Sydian June 21st, 2012 3:14 PM

RSE Remake Speculation Thread
 
So what do you think? Are there any hints to remakes of the 3rd generation games, Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald? Do you want a remake of these games? All these questions and more! Feel free to discuss the possibility of RSE remakes, what you'd like to see in them, things you feel hint at it, etc.

Do keep in mind, I'll be watching over this one more closely than the last. It got very hectic toward the end which caused me to lock it. So please know that discussing timeline, other games, anime, or anything else not closely related to the topic will be marked as spam and you will either receive a warning or infraction depending on how often it happens or how blatantly the rule is broken. It's fine to relate things to hints of the game, but please don't get off track with completely discussing other games or the anime. I will ban people from posting in the thread if things continue the way they did in the last, so please, let's not let that happen.

Get discussing!

seeker June 21st, 2012 3:17 PM

Without a shadow of a doubt in my mind we'll have R/S/E remakes. I haven't yet found a reason as to why they should not create the games once more. They'll be the next games to be released, Hoenn is the only region to not appear on the DS (from the main RPG series).

P0kelegend June 21st, 2012 3:33 PM

After finding out that B2W2 has Latios/Latias and the Regi's, its kind of made me think that we actually won't go back to Hoenn until Gen VI now. I was one of the believers that we'll see it this gen, but now I don't think we'll see them until Gen VI.

If B2W2 has Groudon/Kyogre too, then I'd say its a lock in that we won't get the remakes this gen.

Zayphora June 21st, 2012 3:35 PM

I sure hope that we get some. However, everyone is begging for them to be on the 3ds which means I will never see them. I am never going to get a 3Ds...

P0kelegend June 21st, 2012 3:52 PM

I forgot to mention, I find the fact that a remix of the Hoenn trainer battle music is in B2W2 very odd. I would expect the Hoenn remixed gym leader theme to be in, because of the World Tournament.. but why is the trainer music in? Hm.

If you haven't heard it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAdNIs3XUKU

It's ripped from the ROM and legit, as the person who did it also ripped Homika's BGM from the ROM.

Mortalis June 21st, 2012 4:14 PM

I hope they bring back the Battle Frontier, I never really got to experience or complete it.

Gen III was my favourite, next to Gen II of course. If they end up not making R/S/E remakes (which I highly doubt, and if they do, there will be an outrage of which I will initiate), I will cry for days, not even kidding.

wombateiro June 21st, 2012 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by P0kelegend (Post 7222887)
I forgot to mention, I find the fact that a remix of the Hoenn trainer battle music is in B2W2 very odd. I would expect the Hoenn remixed gym leader theme to be in, because of the World Tournament.. but why is the trainer music in? Hm.

If you haven't heard it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAdNIs3XUKU

It's ripped from the ROM and legit, as the person who did it also ripped Homika's BGM from the ROM.

It can be some kind of beta file, maybe they were testing how R/S/E music will sound in gen 5 soundfont and left that track hidden in B2/W2. Could it be preparation for remakes?

Also, Steven and Roxanne are confirmed to be in B2/W2. They have the same designs like in R/S/E, probably because new designs are saved for remakes.

Btw, I was surprised when I found out girl protagonists' default name is Mei. Surprisingly similar to May. I know her Japanese name is Haruka, but still, odd similarity.

Rivvon June 22nd, 2012 2:25 AM

I highly doubt RSEmakes will happen in gen 5. Pokemon needs to move to the 3DS. Our next titles will probably be gen 6 after a decent wait, and I'd honestly be okay with that. RSEmakes on the 3DS will be far better than if they were on the regular DS family. I see no need to rush.

Granted, they definitely will happen. There really is no reason why they won't. As more and more people move towards the 3DS, there will be no way to transfer gen 3 games into gen 4. And even if we aren't in gen 6 yet, you'd still have to transfer to gen 4 and then into gen 5--combine this with the lack of GBA slots and you've got yourself one large inconvenience.
Also, I feel that RSEmakes are being hinted at in the same way that GSC remakes were hinted at. Dive, old music sections being thrown into new music, small references...yes, I know gen 4 was referenced more than gen 3, but that's because: 1. Gen 4 is closer in time to gen 5, and 2. These are supposed to be hints, not blatant announcements.
There are a lot of gen 3 legendaries becoming available, but that still leaves the vast majority (the non-legendaries) to be caught.
Also, a fun little fact: all gen 3 Pokemon got completely new sprites in BW. With the exception of gen 5 (which doesn't even really count since they're all new Pokemon), no other gen got this treatment in BW. It honestly seems like Game Freak is preparing for something.

Eagledelt June 22nd, 2012 7:36 AM

With B2W2 we should see a new batch of hints ;b

Spoiler:

It seems that we will find one of the Regis in B2W2, that's a good start ;)

Esper June 22nd, 2012 8:25 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't part of the reason Red, Green, Gold, and Silver were remade was because it was very difficult/impossible to get some of the Pokemon from those games into RSE / DPPt? All of the Safari Zones, Pokewalkers, Dream Worlds, etc. seem to have made it possible to get everything on the DS games. That would mean there's one less reason to remake Ruby and Sapphire.

Guy June 22nd, 2012 8:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Scarf (Post 7223748)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't part of the reason Red, Green, Gold, and Silver were remade was because it was very difficult/impossible to get some of the Pokemon from those games into RSE / DPPt? All of the Safari Zones, Pokewalkers, Dream Worlds, etc. seem to have made it possible to get everything on the DS games. That would mean there's one less reason to remake Ruby and Sapphire.

It was definitely one of the biggest reasons why FireRed, LeafGreen, HeartGold and SoulSilver came out. Although, with RSE being the only generation not made for the DS systems yet and Nintendo has stopped including the GBA slots since the DSi, it's only a matter of time before RSE is given its own remake. Whether that be before the 6th Gen or a few generations later down the line, I think it's inevitable we'll get them at some point in time. Ultimately though, GameFreak is a business and if they see it profitable to release a remake for these games, then they'll do it.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 22nd, 2012 2:39 PM

Hopefully they do remake them. Though there sure are a lot of Gen III Pokemon in B2W2 as stated by other above...not even Sinnoh had this many Johto Pokemon...nor their legends...kind of gets my hopes down.

Xander Olivieri June 22nd, 2012 3:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7224279)
Hopefully they do remake them. Though there sure are a lot of Gen III Pokemon in B2W2 as stated by other above...not even Sinnoh had this many Johto Pokemon...nor their legends...kind of gets my hopes down.

This kinda kills the hopes for it too though. The other remakes didn't have many of their region's Pokemon in the generation game that they were made to compliment. There weren't many Kanto in Hoenn and there weren't many Johto in Sinnoh. There is a large number of Hoenn Pokemon in B/W/B2/W2.

We are missing just the main legends from Hoenn in B2W2 as the Regis and the Lati are both in it. Though seeing as you can get the Weather trio in HG/SS they may or may not make an appearance.

Most of the new hints are double-edged. Take Hoenn's participation in the WPT. You could focus on them as a tie in to a remake, but the WPT is basically just the Battle Frontier of B2W2. Its not part of the bigger picture for the game seeing as the first time you enter when its Mandatory you ONLY face random trainers in a Fixed fight scenario. WPT is just some bonus feature for the Fans and holds very little in way of hinting.

There still isn't even a solid hint yet like Bill's involvement with Lanette or Jasmine appearing in D/P/Pt after the final badge.

I'm still sayin it'll come out Gen 6 for the 3DS.

Perriechu June 22nd, 2012 3:18 PM

Another small hint between BW2 and RSE

Spoiler:
Cheren and Roxanne are both the first gym leaders and they're both teachers of younger children.

Sydian June 22nd, 2012 7:19 PM

^ That's not a hint. That's more of a coincidence, if anything.

P0kelegend June 23rd, 2012 5:11 AM

Along with the Hoenn trainer music.. there was another weird thing found.

A remix of Rustboro City.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoYtPJSlizA&feature=plcp

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 23rd, 2012 8:56 AM

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Originally Posted by P0kelegend (Post 7225049)
Along with the Hoenn trainer music.. there was another weird thing found.

A remix of Rustboro City.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoYtPJSlizA&feature=plcp

What's that doing there? :cheeky: Though it's not the best remix...hope they do better for the remakes...

T!M June 23rd, 2012 9:56 AM

Although probably not legit. I did find these...
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Direct Link
http://www.piforums.info/picture.php?albumid=99&pictureid=682

Sydian June 23rd, 2012 11:54 AM

Those definitely aren't legit, but they do look nice.

Guy June 23rd, 2012 12:24 PM

Those box art covers have actually been out for quite some time now too.

What dampens my hope in possible remakes being released, at least for this generation, is the number of Hoenn Pokémon being available in Black 2 and White 2, especially the Legendaries like others mentioned before. It also makes me wonder if what some have been predicting before, that GameFreak will instead do a remake of just Emerald rather than both Ruby and Sapphire. If they were to do this, then I wouldn't particularly be upset about it. Emerald did have the better storyline of the three, and I can see them being able to do a lot more with it in a remake than if they were to fix up the storyline in Ruby and Sapphire.

Also, that's a really cheery remix of the music from Rustboro City. Yeesh!

Sydian June 23rd, 2012 2:43 PM

I thought that too. I mean, it was enough to have so many Hoenn legendaries in gen IV games, but now they're all in gen V games too, and it just makes me think we're not getting remakes now. But then again, we got some Johto legendaries in FRLG and Emerald, though a few were from events which weren't as accessible as they are now. So I guess you can call it what you want on that one.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 23rd, 2012 4:13 PM

We need a big hint right now to keep our hopes up like Hoenn trade data hidden within B2W2. Or music (beyond just the one's that are actually used in game).

I'm thinking that the non Hoenn legends for the remakes will proably be the Creation, Beast, Bird,Johto bird duo,Mew duo as those are the only one's missing from Gen V so far not counting event legends.

Altairis June 23rd, 2012 4:17 PM

Yeah that's what I was thinking too... if they're including a bunch of Hoenn Pokemon in these games then why would they feel like they should make remakes? :/ Especially if it's not the standard "popular" Pokemon such as Seviper, Zangoose, etc. Also since Hoenn isn't an isolated region so they would probably add other region Pokemon too, and they're basically doing that here. :c

I love RSE so I hope that they make remakes anyway.

TRiGa June 23rd, 2012 6:11 PM

Get this, what if there trying to confuse us. Get in our heads, like there doing now. Have a lot of Hoenn Pokemon in B2W2, just to throw us off course. And then BANG! Hit us with the remakes of Ruby and Sapphire.

There are a lot of people who are discouraged about having Ruby and Sapphire remakes in Generation V.

Sydian June 23rd, 2012 6:44 PM

That'd be great, and trolly. Woo. Hopefully they see that we don't want RSE remakes for the Pokemon that it gave us, but instead to go through the region again, but updated. New graphics, music, sprites, etc. That's what we want. Could care less about Latios or Kyogre. lol

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There are a lot of people who are discouraged about having Ruby and Sapphire remakes in Generation V.
Anyone that has read this thread can assume that, but thanks for pointing it out anyway.

P0kelegend June 24th, 2012 4:10 AM

Hoenn just needs to be revisited with updated graphics, the main reason I want R/S/E remakes is just to visit the beautiful region again. It was by far my favorite region, even though it got a lot of flack for the large water routes I thought it was really beautiful and seeing it with updated graphics would make it even MORE beautiful.

miakat June 24th, 2012 6:11 AM

Since HGSS and BW releases, I've been hoping that they will bring out a RSE remake.
I've heard rumours that Hoenn was going to be IN BW2. I'm not too sure, but I think those rumours have been...lost? I wouldnt like it in BW2, personally I'd like it as its own specfic game.

If they DID however, they could release it soon after BW2's release, maybe late next year? Maybe summer/autumn. I don't know whether they'd do it in Gen 6 though.

Apparently they are already planning Gen 6 AND 7?

wombateiro June 24th, 2012 7:36 AM

We know that all Hoenn Pokemon are transferable to gen 5, so I wouldn't say that giving some Hoenn legendaries in B2/W2 means no remakes in gen 5. Game Freak just wanted to put some previous gens' legendaries in B2/W2, so they put Hoenn and Sinnoh ones, because they are the newest and weren't featured so many times. We should notice that the most important legendaries for Hoenn storyline (Weather Trio) are not included in B2/W2. I think that Jirachi and Deoxys are not included either, because I feel they will have events in R/S remakes.

Seeing how B2/W2 don't have following Pokemon feature and no special touch screen features like in HG/SS, I think those things could be saved for R/S remakes, just like they were saved for HG/SS.

There's another thing I want to point out, you will probably say it's not hint at all, but there it is - I find it very weird that Hoenn Gym Leader remix in B2/W2 doesn't have any trumpets. Especially when Kanto and Sinnoh remixes have them. It's suspicious because trumpets are the most used instruments in Hoenn tracks. Looks like Game Freak had very good reason to avoid trumpets in B2/W2 remix of Hoenn Gym Leader. Probably they are saving version with trumpets for R/S remakes.
Those Hoenn Trainer battle and Rustboro remixes in B2/W2 are very suspicious too, and could be hinting to R/S remakes (assuming they really are hidden in B2/W2, they could be just fan-made rumors).

rocky505 June 24th, 2012 1:59 PM

I see us getting the mew and deoxys events from emerald if rs get remade.

Lord Varion June 24th, 2012 2:29 PM

The Hoenn Gym Leaders are fightable in the WCS.
Would that count as a hint or something?
Although all the leaders are fightable.

fiOWNya June 24th, 2012 2:40 PM

I really feel like RSE will be remade. The big question in my mind is when. I'm starting to think they won't be this generation, but the next is definitely a possibility.

Lt. Col. Fantastic June 24th, 2012 4:34 PM

I'm pretty sure RSE will get remade after B2W2 is finished. It's next in line

C Payne June 25th, 2012 10:46 AM

If anything, this should raise others' hopes up about whether or not we'll see the remakes.

Pokemon available/not shouldn't be really seen as a deal breaker, haha.

ALL Pokemon were available in the Advanced Generation of games(Gen III), even if not by normal means, so we can probably tell that HGSS were made for other reasons besides availability. With that in mind, I see that as something to look pass a little.

Although...the absence of the Weather Trio and the other legends not included in BW2, that actually might mean something.

Sydian June 25th, 2012 11:06 AM

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ALL Pokemon were available in the Advanced Generation of games(Gen III), even if not by normal means, so we can probably tell that HGSS were made for other reasons besides availability. With that in mind, I see that as something to look pass a little.
That's true, but at the same time, people weren't able to get their beloved gen I and II Pokemon on those respective games into gen III. So now people are able to get those beloved gen III Pokemon into gens IV and V. And some of those Pokemon, especially GSC legendaries, wouldn't have and other way of getting into early gen IV if not for gen III. Does that make sense? I think I messed up what I was trying to say lol.

Xander Olivieri June 25th, 2012 11:43 AM

Keep in mind in Gen 3 there weren't a lot of Gen 1 Pokemon running about.

In Gen 4 there weren't a lot of Gen 2 Pokemon running about.

Majority of the Gen 2 ones that appeared in Gen 4 were related to Gen 1 or Gen 4 Pokemon, but still they kept out a large number of them from the games until the remakes were made, this includes Legendaries.

This isn't true in B2W2. Pre-Game the Pokedez has around 32% of the Hoenn Pokemon in it and Post game I think it rises a little, since we don't have a full list I can't tell exactly how many are in but from Pokedex and Swarm alone its about 40%, this doesn't include interact-able and Pokemon that are just added to the routes and caves/Forests. The number could go up to 50% at least with all the info I'm missing.

This broke the chain for this combo, this is why I don't think we'll be getting Gen 3 remakes until Gen 6 cause that one has a high chance of having less Gen 3 Pokemon and fits the platform pattern.

Twilight-kun June 25th, 2012 12:42 PM

As long as Sinnoh and Unova pokemon don't appear until post-game and Steven is Champion, I don't care what they do

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 25th, 2012 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7228279)
Keep in mind in Gen 3 there weren't a lot of Gen 1 Pokemon running about.

In Gen 4 there weren't a lot of Gen 2 Pokemon running about.

Majority of the Gen 2 ones that appeared in Gen 4 were related to Gen 1 or Gen 4 Pokemon, but still they kept out a large number of them from the games until the remakes were made, this includes Legendaries.

This isn't true in B2W2. Pre-Game the Pokedez has around 32% of the Hoenn Pokemon in it and Post game I think it rises a little, since we don't have a full list I can't tell exactly how many are in but from Pokedex and Swarm alone its about 40%, this doesn't include interact-able and Pokemon that are just added to the routes and caves/Forests. The number could go up to 50% at least with all the info I'm missing.

This broke the chain for this combo, this is why I don't think we'll be getting Gen 3 remakes until Gen 6 cause that one has a high chance of having less Gen 3 Pokemon and fits the platform pattern.

I guess that game freak might have decided to skip remakes for this generation (proably due to some out there complaining about there being too many remakes). I guess it wouldn't be all that bad to have another generation start on the 3DS. It'll make Hoenn remakes even more updated and revised ^_^ (maybe it'll come between the duel versions and the third version/sequels/ what ever they plan to do for the third version(s) )

C Payne June 25th, 2012 2:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sydian (Post 7228238)


That's true, but at the same time, people weren't able to get their beloved gen I and II Pokemon on those respective games into gen III. So now people are able to get those beloved gen III Pokemon into gens IV and V. And some of those Pokemon, especially GSC legendaries, wouldn't have and other way of getting into early gen IV if not for gen III. Does that make sense? I think I messed up what I was trying to say lol.

Well how would remaking those gens get you your original teams from the original RBY/GSC games though? You still aren't getting your beloved Pokes back, haha. That may mean something if you mean by training them in their regions, etc., but with the updated mechanics of FRLG/HGSS it just isn't the same.

...and if that's the case, how come RSE couldn't be treated the same? :P (As in training your team in the original areas and all that, I mean)

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7228279)
Keep in mind in Gen 3 there weren't a lot of Gen 1 Pokemon running about.

In Gen 4 there weren't a lot of Gen 2 Pokemon running about.

Majority of the Gen 2 ones that appeared in Gen 4 were related to Gen 1 or Gen 4 Pokemon, but still they kept out a large number of them from the games until the remakes were made, this includes Legendaries.

This isn't true in B2W2. Pre-Game the Pokedez has around 32% of the Hoenn Pokemon in it and Post game I think it rises a little, since we don't have a full list I can't tell exactly how many are in but from Pokedex and Swarm alone its about 40%, this doesn't include interact-able and Pokemon that are just added to the routes and caves/Forests. The number could go up to 50% at least with all the info I'm missing.

This broke the chain for this combo, this is why I don't think we'll be getting Gen 3 remakes until Gen 6 cause that one has a high chance of having less Gen 3 Pokemon and fits the platform pattern.

Wouldn't that mean we would need remakes for everything over again, if gen 6 loses backwards connectivity? If it didn't, there would still be 'no need' for RSEmakes since, according to some, we would have a way of obtaining the originals(despite it being quite tedious).

I say that because everyone seems to be on the fence of whether or not Poke availability will have a play in whether or not we'll see the RSEmakes sooner or later.

That 50% guess could mean that we have a chance of the RSEmakes sooner, with the Weather Trio, etc., and the rest of the 50% missing Hoenn Pokes and all, maybe?

I see them being on the 3DS as well, just trying to see why this all would mean us not seeing them 'til later.

Bluerang1 June 25th, 2012 6:21 PM

No no no! They made new sprites for the Hoenn League. Now there's less of a need for the remakes as the main characters have been rendered in this Generation :(

We still have the region itself not being rendered in 3D as an argument for the remakes.

Xander Olivieri June 25th, 2012 6:42 PM

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Originally Posted by C Payne (Post 7228498)
Wouldn't that mean we would need remakes for everything over again, if gen 6 loses backwards connectivity? If it didn't, there would still be 'no need' for RSEmakes since, according to some, we would have a way of obtaining the originals(despite it being quite tedious).

I say that because everyone seems to be on the fence of whether or not Poke availability will have a play in whether or not we'll see the RSEmakes sooner or later.

That 50% guess could mean that we have a chance of the RSEmakes sooner, with the Weather Trio, etc., and the rest of the 50% missing Hoenn Pokes and all, maybe?

I see them being on the 3DS as well, just trying to see why this all would mean us not seeing them 'til later.


Its 50% so far without all of the after Story Pokemon. We don't know everything about the games yet. We could get more events, seeing as Serebii is still updating their findings. Not sayin we'll get the three big ones but the number can still rise.

I don't think the next one would be incompatible with current ones, at least not Gen 5 seeing as B2W2 can interface with the 3DS. Kinda hopin 3rd Gen becomes 6th Gen, or if there is an issue like you think, then Gen 1 could be remade again with pretty graphics.

Sydian June 25th, 2012 7:18 PM

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Well how would remaking those gens get you your original teams from the original RBY/GSC games though? You still aren't getting your beloved Pokes back, haha. That may mean something if you mean by training them in their regions, etc., but with the updated mechanics of FRLG/HGSS it just isn't the same.
I think, what I really meant to say, is that they needed a way to get in those past gen Pokemon, because most of them were unobtainable with just Ruby and Sapphire alone, so then you have FRLG and later Emerald, the latter games gave us a chance to get most of the first 251 Pokemon. And also Colosseum and XD but those are more uncommon ways, it seems. That's what I meant, but worded it totally wrong, lol. :( Though like it's been said, the Johto legendaries were obtainable in gen III and then again in IV, so it's still possible that we'll see a remake. Cause, and I think I said this already, it's not so much as we want a remake for the Pokemon, but we want a remake because we want to see this game updated and with new features and graphics and music etc etc. So the Pokemon thing isn't really a huge deal, though in regards to the past two sets of remakes, I think that played a vital role.

...I hope THAT at least makes sense, unlike my last post lol.

C Payne June 26th, 2012 1:16 AM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7228790)
Its 50% so far without all of the after Story Pokemon. We don't know everything about the games yet. We could get more events, seeing as Serebii is still updating their findings. Not sayin we'll get the three big ones but the number can still rise.

I don't think the next one would be incompatible with current ones, at least not Gen 5 seeing as B2W2 can interface with the 3DS. Kinda hopin 3rd Gen becomes 6th Gen, or if there is an issue like you think, then Gen 1 could be remade again with pretty graphics.

Well I do see Gen VI being compatible with 5.

'With talk about all the Hoenn(or most)Pokes being able to be caught within this gen meaning no remake, how would that mean there would be one in gen 6, if you could still send them down the line to the latest games since backwards compatibility isn't broken? ...and even if it was broken(so the whole available thing drops), that would render other games needing to be done again at some point probably.'

^ What I meant. You probably understood, I just reread it and thought I could make it clearer, haha. Maybe I've just been merging too much of what I've read so far, I think I probably got something mixed up somewhere.


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Originally Posted by Sydian (Post 7228826)


I think, what I really meant to say, is that they needed a way to get in those past gen Pokemon, because most of them were unobtainable with just Ruby and Sapphire alone, so then you have FRLG and later Emerald, the latter games gave us a chance to get most of the first 251 Pokemon. And also Colosseum and XD but those are more uncommon ways, it seems. That's what I meant, but worded it totally wrong, lol. :( Though like it's been said, the Johto legendaries were obtainable in gen III and then again in IV, so it's still possible that we'll see a remake. Cause, and I think I said this already, it's not so much as we want a remake for the Pokemon, but we want a remake because we want to see this game updated and with new features and graphics and music etc etc. So the Pokemon thing isn't really a huge deal, though in regards to the past two sets of remakes, I think that played a vital role.

...I hope THAT at least makes sense, unlike my last post lol.

Yeah, that makes more sense. I guess all the talk about the availability probably meaning we wouldn't see them(at least for a while) made me look into that matter more.

...and I think that 2nd to last thing is the only thing running through my mind atm, how could anyone not want to see Hoenn remade(to 3DS, or to a lesser extent, DS standards; it's the only region not featured in that way)?

Xander Olivieri June 26th, 2012 3:56 AM

I understand what you mean, its just the way the pattern was. Hoenn had a good mix of Johto and Kanto with Kanto being on the lesser side when we got remakes and the Remakes had the rest of the Johto Pokemon. Gen 4 Hoenn and Kanto appeared a bit more but there was a significant lack of Johto until their remake came out then what was missing Kanto and Hoenn wise was transferable or catchable between the two sets of games.

B/W and B2W2 break the pattern with these games. The number of Hoenn Pokemon (which is the remake we are waiting for) is higher in these that the others that got remakes were with the other sets. Pretty much all we have to play with are old patterns which are being broken by B/W.

10th anniversary pattern is pretty much broken cause we would have heard about the remakes before B2W2 if we followed that pattern.
Pokemon Pattern is broken or at least tells us the opposite of what is wanted.
Console pattern so far is the only one not broken and is the only real support we have at getting one, just not for at least another generation seeing as it wouldn't have much point to make them for the DS which is now a dying system.

wombateiro June 26th, 2012 7:37 AM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7228279)
Keep in mind in Gen 3 there weren't a lot of Gen 1 Pokemon running about.

In Gen 4 there weren't a lot of Gen 2 Pokemon running about.

Majority of the Gen 2 ones that appeared in Gen 4 were related to Gen 1 or Gen 4 Pokemon, but still they kept out a large number of them from the games until the remakes were made, this includes Legendaries.

Is that really true?

I counted Pokemon from previous gens' pre-game Pokedexes in R/S/E, D/P/Pt, B2/W2 and this is what I got. Even if I made little mistakes in counting, they wouldn't change much:
R/S/E - gen 1 - 47 - 31% of all gen 1 Pokemon
gen 2 - 20

D/P/Pt - gen 1 - 46
gen 2 - 34 + all Unown forms - 34% of all gen 2 Pokemon + all Unown forms
gen 3 - 28

B2/W2 - gen 1 - 38
gen 2 - 31
gen 3 - 42 - 31% of all gen 3 Pokemon

See the pattern? R/S/E has the most gen 1 Pokemon, D/P/Pt has the most gen 2 Pokemon and B2/W2 has the most gen 3 Pokemon. Looks like that pattern fits to remakes releases. Basing on this pattern, there should be R/S remakes in gen 5.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 26th, 2012 9:42 AM

Hmm seems your right it's the same percent as RS (didn't include E here as it came after) had Gen I Pokémon.
This gets my hopes up again ^_^
I remember GF dragged on the reveal of GS remake that most were starting to doubt it...thism
could be classic GF trolling us to doubt the remakes...or make us even more eager...

Xander Olivieri June 26th, 2012 12:45 PM

Gunna double check my numbers, though I do Post Dex cause that's when all the available Pokemon are in the game.

You may still be right about the number thing though.

So we still have two patterns to fall on if that's the case, though both support different releases.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 26th, 2012 1:04 PM

Seems like we do...though patterns might be broken.
Also post dex might not be the best to use for the pattern as RS had no post dex Pokémon and Emerald was released post FrLg remakes.

Kenshin5 June 26th, 2012 3:19 PM

Regardless of what fancy theories or correlations we can piece together, what speaks more too me for them making a game is money. Sure they make games for fun and the love of pokemon, but would prolonging a game that is usually in 2 gens after make monetary sense? I don't think it would receive any more money waiting then it would if they had it out next year or whenever it occurs within Gen V.

If they don't have RS remakes then it seems like this would be one of the shortest gens so they would go to gen VI sooner perhaps after they have a few spinoffs after BW2. Which if they have the usual four years we are due a new gen around 2014 so no new main series games until then if they don't go to Gen VI earlier would seem more of something to complain about then complaining about there being a remake.

fishfish June 26th, 2012 3:23 PM

i heard the kami trio were originally planned for gen 3? so that could idk im probably wrong aha. There do seem to be a lot of hints in the new games and i would get remakes if they came out.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 27th, 2012 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Kenshin5 (Post 7229980)
Regardless of what fancy theories or correlations we can piece together, what speaks more too me for them making a game is money. Sure they make games for fun and the love of pokemon, but would prolonging a game that is usually in 2 gens after make monetary sense? I don't think it would receive any more money waiting then it would if they had it out next year or whenever it occurs within Gen V.

If they don't have RS remakes then it seems like this would be one of the shortest gens so they would go to gen VI sooner perhaps after they have a few spinoffs after BW2. Which if they have the usual four years we are due a new gen around 2014 so no new main series games until then if they don't go to Gen VI earlier would seem more of something to complain about then complaining about there being a remake.

I agree, this gen will only be a little long than gen II was if they lack remakes...unless they plan to simply stall with spin off like you said for the next two years...if so they should've just have released B2W2 in September like usual. I get the feeling their rushing this generation by, so it's likely there might be another generation soon if they decide to skip remakes.

This proably means nothing but I still find it interesting: Reshiram and Zekrom's initials are RZ which interestingly are the initials of the Spanish name for RS Rubi y Zaphiro. Also the color of B2W2 of the dragon Kyurem fused with happen to be those colors Black 2 is Blue (Zaphiro/Saphire) while White 2 is Red (Rubi/Ruby).

Poke-roogs June 27th, 2012 11:53 AM

IF they do remake any Gen 3 games, it should just be Emerald. It had the best story and the Battle Frontier, plus we've only gotten three games per gen since the remakes started, so having both Ruby and Sapphire remakes doesn't fit the pattern now that we've got B2W2.

vaporeon7 June 27th, 2012 1:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Poke-roogs (Post 7231035)
IF they do remake any Gen 3 games, it should just be Emerald. It had the best story and the Battle Frontier, plus we've only gotten three games per gen since the remakes started, so having both Ruby and Sapphire remakes doesn't fit the pattern now that we've got B2W2.

If they do remake them, they'll do a Ruby and Sapphire and just incorporate Emerald features like the Battle Frontier and the bigger Safari Zone, just like they did with HGSS and all its Crystal features like Buena's Password.

Kerjo June 27th, 2012 5:47 PM

After playing through White 2 (simultaneously watching a Black 2 walk-through to compare the differences), I feel that we might have a chance of having an RSE remake. There are a lot of changes to B2W2 that makes the Unova region resemble or hint to the RSE games.

Spoiler:
The first gym in B2W2 is connected to a Trainer's School with Cheren as the teacher. Similar to Roxanne and the first Gym in RSE.
The final Gym has been changed to a Water Gym.
Rebirth Cave makes references to Groudon/Kyogre depending on your version.
The water route before getting to the final Gym could be a slight point at the water route before Victory Road in RSE.
While the old Team Plasma isn't bad or fighting you, they bump heads with the New Team Plasma, kind gives hint to the Team Magma/Aqua conflict in Emerald.
For some odd reason Driftveil City contains a lot of large emeralds and the city sports a green look to it.
The area outside of Rebirth City has a Route 113/Fallarbor Town feeling to it.


These are just some of the things I've taken a notice of while playing through.

Xander Olivieri June 27th, 2012 6:03 PM

Just gunna say something about the first one. Cheren really wouldn't have fit with another Gym design because of his personality, also Rustboro Gym wasn't a school. It was near a school. Cheren's Gym is also closer to Lenora's Gym who he replaced as Lenora's was a Library and a Museum. All three are places on learning.

So Cheren's is more coincidental.

Kerjo June 27th, 2012 6:35 PM

I know the gym wasn't connected to the school. Roxanne, after graduating from the Trainer's school, became a gym leader and the teacher of the school. Cheren mirrors that as he seems to be the teacher of the school in Unova and a gym leader making him more similar to Roxanne than Lenora. The only thing he actually shares with Lenora is that he uses normal type Pokemon.

Xander Olivieri June 27th, 2012 6:41 PM

His Gym's characteristics shares that of Lenora's though. Cheren's actual Gym is closer to Lenora's then it was to Roxanne's whose gym resembles Brock's in design who was also a Rock Type Gym Leader.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 27th, 2012 6:42 PM

If they remake Ruby and Sapphire instead of Emerald I can see them using most of Emerald's storyline but after Rayquaza appears and Kyogre and Groudon stop fighting the mascot stays behind in the cave of Origin causing the rain/ intense sun to continue forcing the player to catch it to completely stop it.

Xander Olivieri June 27th, 2012 6:57 PM

If they do Ruby and Sapphire I can't see the opposite appearing in the game simply because that wasn't how Ruby and Sapphire ran. Sapphire focused on Aqua and Kyogre, if remade I think that's what the same focus would be on. Ruby would focus on Groudon and Magma, which kinda kills the point for Rayquaza to quell their fighting as the opposite wouldn't appear for that to happen.

As for an Post-Game event that would be cool. Like you lose the ability to control Kyogre/Groudon after accidentally awakening the opposite. Like you get the other orb or to unlock the other one you'd have to bring your's to a certain cave and its presence would anger and awaken the opposite Mascot. Then the two would start fighting and you'd have to go awaken Rayquaza to quell them or Rayquaza could just automatically show up and calm them down. Then you can catch the opposite, or it could disappear and you could unlock Rayquaza this way.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 27th, 2012 7:09 PM

I guess they could do a Rayquaza stops Groudon in Ruby, and Kyogre in Sapphire...it'll be kind of boring though...I would much perfer an epic battle cutscene between the trio.

Off topic: Have you guys noticed how the third version has grown more complex from the duo compare to the days of Blue and Crystal. DPPt will have a similar issue as RSE in putting the stories together. And B2W2...well that's a big difference to compromise the stories...

Kerjo June 27th, 2012 7:17 PM

I'm taking notice that Roxanne and Cheren are the first gym leaders and they both happen to be teachers of the Trainer Schools within each respective city. In the way that links B2W2 in hinting towards a RSE remake.

Also, you should go back and look at the gyms. Cheren's gym layout is exactly the same as Roxanne's in RS (in E it was redesigned). Both are the mirrored layout of Brock's gym. Lenora's gym is completely different.

P0kelegend June 27th, 2012 7:17 PM

I honestly think an Emerald remake is more likely. It'd be easier for them rather than having to mix and change the story in Ruby/Sapphire to be similar to the one in Emerald. Not to mention Emerald was the one with the battle frontier.

I would personally rather an Emerald remake, does anyone else agree?

Driftveil have emerald everywhere, along with inside of the World tournament having tons of emerald everywhere is interesting.

Kerjo June 27th, 2012 7:24 PM

Yeah, I believe it'll be more of an Emerald remake, considering all the changes that happened between Ruby/Sapphire and Emerald. The reason is that B2W2 makes more hints to Emerald than Ruby/Sapphire and both Steven and Wallace are fought in the Champion World Tournament and Juan is fought in the Hoenn Leader World Tournament.

Xander Olivieri June 27th, 2012 7:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7231565)
I guess they could do a Rayquaza stops Groudon in Ruby, and Kyogre in Sapphire...it'll be kind of boring though...I would much perfer an epic battle cutscene between the trio.

Off topic: Have you guys noticed how the third version has grown more complex from the duo compare to the days of Blue and Crystal. DPPt will have a similar issue as RSE in putting the stories together. And B2W2...well that's a big difference to compromise the stories...

Actually only one with a huge hit is R/S/E as Emerald not only merged the story which was only separated by Big Bad team and Core Focus Pokemon, but also had a heavy change to the story for the teams by adding a second Base for Magma since only Aqua used the cave near Lillycove, and the fact that you had to find and awaken Kyogre and Groudon in two separate locations. There was also the extra bit about awakening Rayquaza.

D/P/Pt only changed at the very end where instead of 1 Dragon, both were summoned and Giratina showed up to stop the effects adding his chase after that. Everything leading up to that point was the same as in D/P as it was in Pt. Only thing that changed between the games was the name of the major legend focus.

R/S/E's had Emerald choose specific teams to be the main baddy for certain events and added one extra event with Magma, so even though it followed the same story the teams alternated on who was the bad guy for the event up until you try to get the stone, that's where the major split happens and that's before the Climax.

Just comparing the two R/S has a harder time being remade with Emerald stuff without it converting to straight Emerald remake or not including Emerald stuff until after major stuff happens than D/P/Pt did with their fusion.


Also to add to possible event ideas for RSE remakes....Instead of being able to catch Game Mascot, they make it to where like with Kyurem in B2W2 you can't catch it on first encounter, so you get normal story, then after story like in B2W2 where you could awaken the opposite Mascot and it would start the Emerald fight where you have to go and find Rayquaza to end the fight then after that you can catch the three, or two if they stick to R/S's version exclusive Mascot thing.


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Originally Posted by Kerjo (Post 7231570)
I'm taking notice that Roxanne and Cheren are the first gym leaders and they both happen to be teachers of the Trainer Schools within each respective city. In the way that links B2W2 in hinting towards a RSE remake.

Also, you should go back and look at the gyms. Cheren's gym layout is exactly the same as Roxanne's in RS (in E it was redesigned). Both are the mirrored layout of Brock's gym. Lenora's gym is completely different.

Cheren's gym is two Battle Fields where you have to battle two trainers and then him. That looks nothing like a small maze inside a building. Cheren even uses two Pokemon that are related to Lenora's team (not literally just same species/family.)

His layout is different than Roxanne's. While its not the same as Lenora they still share more in common Gym wise that Cheren and Roxanne do so there isn't really any way that is more than a coincidence.

I'm also referring to how Cheren's Gym is a part of a school like how Lenora's Gym is a part of a Library/Museum. Both Gyms are physically associated with an institute of learning.

Kerjo June 27th, 2012 8:29 PM

http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww307/Vince11_12/Rustboro_Gym_RS.png

As you can see, in Ruby and Sapphire, Roxanne didn't have a maze. She had two trainers, and it was just a straight line up to her. Cheren has two battle fields, each with one trainer then you can fight him. Design, similar if not exactly the same. Setting, completely different.

And again, they are both the teachers of a Trainer School and the first Gym Leader. A mere coincidence?

Lenora's gym requires you to battle multiple trainers, has you find books before you can move on to the next part, then has a secret passage that leads you to her study where she fights you. In no way is this similar to Roxanne and Cheren's gym design.

And of course Cheren is gonna have related pokemon. He's a Unova Gym Leader of the same type, and those are the only normal type pokemon, besides azurill that you encounter up until that battle. Other than this, he was nothing in common with Lenora.

The fusion of other buildings with the gyms (like the fusion of pokemart with the pokecenter) is something that started in 5th gen. So of course Lenora and Cheren would be similar in that sense. If that had been the case for all generations, the Rustboro gym probably would have been fused to the school too, along with Falkner's gym and the school in Violet.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 27th, 2012 8:44 PM

I perfer an Emerald remake now...I just think it'll be better than a Sapphire and Ruby remake with only one mascot or as Xander says save the battle between the trio for later which I would find anticlimatic.
Also as someone mentioned all generations have had 5 games since remakes started and seeing how gen 5 has had four so far they just need one cough AncientEmerald/SkyEmerald (the sky was green in the past)/JadeEmerald/etc. cough, though so course they could always break that pattern...kind of funny that gen III broke the three games in a gen thing and gen V might break the five games in a gen as well if both are in fact remade xD

Xander Olivieri June 27th, 2012 9:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Kerjo (Post 7231611)
http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww307/Vince11_12/Rustboro_Gym_RS.png

As you can see, in Ruby and Sapphire, Roxanne didn't have a maze. She had two trainers, and it was just a straight line up to her. Cheren has two battle fields, each with one trainer then you can fight him. Design, similar if not exactly the same. Setting, completely different.

And again, they are both the teachers of a Trainer School and the first Gym Leader. A mere coincidence?

Lenora's gym requires you to battle multiple trainers, has you find books before you can move on to the next part, then has a secret passage that leads you to her study where she fights you. In no way is this similar to Roxanne and Cheren's gym design.

And of course Cheren is gonna have related pokemon. He's a Unova Gym Leader of the same type, and those are the only normal type pokemon, besides azurill that you encounter up until that battle. Other than this, he was nothing in common with Lenora.

The fusion of other buildings with the gyms (like the fusion of pokemart with the pokecenter) is something that started in 5th gen. So of course Lenora and Cheren would be similar in that sense. If that had been the case for all generations, the Rustboro gym probably would have been fused to the school too, along with Falkner's gym and the school in Violet.


Ya you can go straight but you have to battle if you do, otherwise its a slight maze to get to her without battling. You have to battle the trainers to battle Cheren from what I saw.

Also I looked up some stuff about Roxanne and she isn't a teacher in the games. She's still a Student of the Trainer School and a Gym Leader in R/S/E. Her Gym Title is the Rock Loving Honor Student.

She is a Teacher in the Anime however, like Candice is as well.

Also Violet's Gym and Earl's Trainer school have nothing in common so they wouldn't have been fused. Roxanne's Gym and the Trainer school have nothing to do together other than the fact that Roxanne studied there before becoming a Gym Leader and maybe while during as game wise they never said she graduated.

Spoiler:
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Originally Posted by Bulbapedia
Roxanne's title is "The Rock-Loving Honor Student." Her strategy is Rock-type power attacks. She believes Rock-type Pokémon to be rock solid.
Roxanne became a Gym Leader so that she could apply what she learned at the Pokémon Trainer's School in battle. She wants to face many new opponents to see them demonstrate how they battle and with which Pokémon.
Her desire is to learn all about Pokémon through battling.
In addition to the Stone Badge, Roxanne gives out TM39 (Rock Tomb), in Pokémon Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald.

Quotes
Pokémon Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald
Rustboro Gym
Before battle
"Hello, I am Roxanne, the Rustboro Pokémon Gym Leader. I became a Gym Leader so that I may apply what I learned at the Pokémon Trainer's School in battle. Would you kindly demonstrate how you battle, and with which Pokémon?"
When defeated
"So... I lost... It seems that I still have much more to learn... I understand. The Pokémon League's rules state that Trainers are to be given this if they defeat a Gym Leader. Please accept the official Pokémon League Stone Badge."
After being defeated
"The Stone Badge heightens the attack power of your Pokémon. It also enables them to use the HM move Cut outside of battle. Please take this with you, too."
"That TM39 contains Rock Tomb. It not only inflicts damage by dropping rocks, it also lowers speed. If you use a TM, it instantly teaches the move to a Pokémon. Remember, a TM can be used only once, so think before you use it."
"Since you are so strong, you should challenge other Gym Leaders. By battling many Trainers, you should learn many things."
Pokémon Emerald
Rustboro Gym
Before battle
"Hello, I am Roxanne, the Rustboro Pokémon Gym Leader. I became a Gym Leader so that I might apply what I learned at the Pokémon Trainer's School in battle. Would you kindly demonstrate how you battle, and with which Pokémon?"
When defeated
"So... I lost... It seems that I still have much more to learn... I understand. The Pokémon League's rules state that Trainers are to be given this if they defeat a Gym Leader. Please accept the official Pokémon League Stone Badge."
After being defeated
"The Stone Badge heightens the attack power of your Pokémon. It also enables them to use the HM move Cut outside of battle. Please take this with you, too."
"That Technical Machine, TM39, contains Rock Tomb. It not only inflicts damage by dropping rocks, it also lowers speed. If you use a TM, it instantly teaches the move to a Pokémon. Remember, a TM can be used only once, so think before you use it."
"Since you are so strong, you should challenge other Gym Leaders. By battling many Trainers, you should learn many things."
Rematch
Before battle
"I'm so glad to see you again. I'm Roxanne, the Gym Leader here. I'm sure we've both experienced many battles since we last met. I would like to see how much better we've become. Let us battle!"
When defeated
"Grr... Again, I have lost..."
After being defeated
"I still have much to learn when it comes to battling Pokémon. That awareness makes me love battling all that much more!"
Trainer's Eyes/Match Call
Leader RoxanneRS / Rockin' Whiz RoxanneE
Strategy
Rock-type power attackRS
Rock-type power attack.E
Trainer's Pokémon
Rock-solid types are good.RS
I prefer Rock-hard Pokémon.E
Self-Introduction
Through battling, I want to learn all about Pokémon.RS
A leader of a big Gym bears a lot of responsibility.



As for similarities Roxanne's Gym is reused as Brock's Gen 4 Gym.


Though other than Falkner's Gym all the first Gyms have the similar design to it.


You can go straight or you can take the small path around. (Path is pretty much the same, dodge the first by going around him on the left side, straight across to the other side through the middle, then passing the second through the right side.

Some Unova Gyms are the only ones I know of where you HAVE to battle all the trainers before getting to the Gym Leader, other than a few Johto ones.

PhantomTwilight June 27th, 2012 10:04 PM

This thread is making me want this remake so badly!

If there was a remake for Gen III, I would definitely want it to be like the originals, in terms of how to split up the games and mascots. In other words, there would be 3 games just like the originals.

Just seeing the whole region and its gym leaders revamped (with new game features) would get me excited.

Kerjo June 27th, 2012 10:17 PM

Ah, so it seems I've mistaken the information I read about Roxanne. And I didn't notice that layout in Platinum, course it's been so long since I've lost that one that I don't even remember the game too well. Quick side note, Falkner's gym also has the design, just it forces you to battle both trainers, unless it's HGSS.

I don't think you have to battle Cheren's trainers, they don't battle you until you talk to them, but I've never just walked straight up to him and tested what happens when you don't fight them (an I don't have the patience to restart to find out).

But the point is that B2W2 could be pointing to an RSE remake with Cheren being the first Gym Leader fought and being connected a school.

Though, now that I look at it more this could be a coincidence as all towns of the first gym have a Trainer's School, but I don't believe a second one was necessary for Unova. Meh, I'm probably over-examining this one.

Raichupacabra June 27th, 2012 10:55 PM

I honestly don't see the remakes happening. They can't just take every game and make a remake. I loved Ruby and Sapphire but I think they'll only make a 3D game, a few spin-offs and move on to Gen VI.

P0kelegend June 28th, 2012 12:34 AM

R/S/E need to be remade though, because as soon as they move the main game series onto the 3DS it'll render R/S/E obsolete since the 3DS doesn't have a GBA slot. Kanto/Johto/Sinnoh/Unova can all be visited on the DS/3DS through their respective games, but Hoenn can't be visited at all once they move onto the 3DS unless they release a remake on the DS or 3DS. Its a real shame because I think Hoenn is by far the most beautiful region and seeing it in updated graphics would be amazing.

Plus, not to mention the money they would make with these remakes. Its easy money in the sense that they don't have to think of an entire new game.

blue June 28th, 2012 1:08 AM

Two games would make more money than just one which is what Nintendo love, that's why I think we'll see Ruby & Sapphire remakes rather than an Emerald remake. That and the fact that Red & Green and Gold & Silver were the ones to be remade rather than the third games, it could happen due to the fact that we got two "third games" which are Black & White 2.

MiTjA June 28th, 2012 4:03 AM

As I said and keep saying, RSE remakes won't cut it.

A smaller 6th generation introduced through a Hoenn sequel however would be great and way better. Not to mention it'd get them much more money than boring remakes of something that is perfect as it is.

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Originally Posted by Abnegation (Post 7222840)
They'll be the next games to be released, Hoenn is the only region to not appear on the DS (from the main RPG series).

One problem. The DS is done. There is no way they will make another game for the DS.

Which in turn means whatever is up next will need a new engine developed for the 3DS.

And then the question arises, would they really start on a new handheld with remakes? I seriously doubt it.

Also, the 3DS e-shop could very well start getting GBA games sometime in the future, further making plain remakes redundant.

wombateiro June 28th, 2012 7:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7230966)
This proably means nothing but I still find it interesting: Reshiram and Zekrom's initials are RZ which interestingly are the initials of the Spanish name for RS Rubi y Zaphiro. Also the color of B2W2 of the dragon Kyurem fused with happen to be those colors Black 2 is Blue (Zaphiro/Saphire) while White 2 is Red (Rubi/Ruby).

They should call those two dragons Rubishiram and Zaphirokrom, haha.
It might mean something, especially because prefixes re- and ze- in two dragons' names are completely random and have no relation to anything, so they might be references to R/S remakes.

I think R/S remakes give more opportunity to change storyline, rather than one Emerald remake. B2/W2 storylines focus on Kyurem and Zekrom or Reshiram, so R/S remakes might focus on Rayquaza and Groudon or Kyogre. Imo Rayquaza would stop fight between Groudon and Kyogre. Everything would seem to be normal until heavy sunlight or heavy rain appear. That would mean Groudon or Kyogre reappeared in Cave of Origin for some reason and player must encounter it. Storyline like that would focus on two legendaries of mascot trio, just like in B2/W2. The only difference would be appearance of all three legendaries in R/S remakes cutscenes, not only two legendaries like in B2/W2.

Things from Emerald like Battle Frontier can be simply included in R/S remakes. I don't even consider them as a reason to remake only Emerald.

PhantomTwilight June 28th, 2012 9:40 AM

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Originally Posted by P0kelegend (Post 7231769)
Kanto/Johto/Sinnoh/Unova can all be visited on the DS/3DS through their respective games, but Hoenn can't be visited at all once they move onto the 3DS unless they release a remake on the DS or 3DS. Its a real shame because I think Hoenn is by far the most beautiful region and seeing it in updated graphics would be amazing.

Plus, not to mention the money they would make with these remakes. Its easy money in the sense that they don't have to think of an entire new game.

YES, my thoughts exactly. I wondered about that for a while, and when I saw this thread, It kinda confirmed my suspicions in a way, knowing that other people want the same thing.

There's no way Nintendo'll disappoint their fans like this...would they?

HyperXhydra June 28th, 2012 11:43 AM

I can see Marlon's gym as a hint for the Hoenn remake.

MiTjA June 29th, 2012 12:50 AM

Dear lord, I think I should stop checking this thread. There is nothing solid, and the assumptions you all put forward are beyond silly. The initials of the dragons hint at RS? Seriously? In spanish? No Kyumerald? @[email protected]

Raikou, Entei and Suicune were in HGSS, their initials are RSE, it means NOTHING.

@wombateiro:
So what you're saying is that Rayquaza would show up to stop only Kyogre or Groudon?
That would be really lame. Rayquaza saves the day, and is the star.
There is simply no way of "putting Emerald into RS" and keeping it as its meant to be. The legendaries and their plot was designed with 3 games in mind.

wombateiro June 29th, 2012 8:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7232480)
Dear lord, I think I should stop checking this thread. There is nothing solid, and the assumptions you all put forward are beyond silly. The initials of the dragons hint at RS? Seriously? In spanish? No Kyumerald? @[email protected]

Raikou, Entei and Suicune were in HGSS, their initials are RSE, it means NOTHING.

I know those initials probably mean nothing, but still, they never explained why they chose their names to begin with re- and ze-. Main parts of their names are shiro (white) and kuro (black). Prefixes re- and ze- have no explanation.

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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7232480)
@wombateiro:
So what you're saying is that Rayquaza would show up to stop only Kyogre or Groudon?
That would be really lame. Rayquaza saves the day, and is the star.
There is simply no way of "putting Emerald into RS" and keeping it as its meant to be. The legendaries and their plot was designed with 3 games in mind.

With Game Freak's creativity everything is possible. Especially when it comes to sell more games. I'm not saying Rayquaza wouldn't save the day, because it would. After Rayquaza would stop both Groudon and Kyogre, either team Magma or Aqua (depending on your version) would try to control their legendary one more time, for example in Cave of Origin. Stopping only one legendary is something that player can do without help of Rayquaza. That would make two legendaries to be stars, just like in B2 or W2.

Btw, what do you think about those percentages I posted on page 2?

Sydian June 29th, 2012 8:14 AM

Quote:

Dear lord, I think I should stop checking this thread. There is nothing solid, and the assumptions you all put forward are beyond silly. The initials of the dragons hint at RS? Seriously? In spanish? No Kyumerald? @[email protected]
Yes, I feel your pain. Sadly, I have to keep checking lol. ;(

I do find it silly people grab at things and claim how they're major hints. Ever heard of coincidence? Cause you know...that happens sometimes.

I do think there will eventually be remakes, but I'm just not gonna sit here and grab at the sky for "hints." Perhaps the real title of this should be "what would you want in remakes of rs?" :( Then there wouldn't have to be this beating a dead horse debate all the time, but c'est la vie.

MiTjA June 29th, 2012 2:10 PM

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7232790)
Btw, what do you think about those percentages I posted on page 2?

Not much because they choose old pokemon on many factors, and what past generation they are from is probably the last thing they consider if they even do it.

I mean, for example they would put a Wingull in a game because there is locations where wild Wingulls just make sense, not because they want more gen 3 pokemon.

Besides, each generation has a different approach and might deal differently with the inclusion of old pokes.

-So Johto for example was basically a second Kanto (regarding what common pokemon are in it), with some new hidden and rare pokemon you have to use new methods to find.
-Hoenn wanted to be a fresh start, but didn't dare to alienate the fans by not including iconic classics... and a specific example is that it had three of the trade evolving ones, since they didn't introduce more than one new. Of course they would use more gen 1 than gen 2 here, because gen 2 was extra pokemon, but they needed casual average pokemon like Magikarp, Zubat and Oddish. ...And then a Slugma because they actually had a fitting location for it this time. There is tons of reasons for certain pokemon to appear, and its not about gens.
-Sinnoh was very much like Johto, as in that it had only a handful of casual pokemon, so it resorted on the use of anything fitting from the past again to fill the gaps for most areaa in the game.
You say there is 34... but I count like less than 20, so I assume you were looking at Platinums upgraded version though. Of course they had to put in everything they evolved for that, which is the case for the initial DP dex too btw, with most of the new stages being for Johto-mons. So you could say it had a noteworthy amount of those because it had evolutions/babies of them.
Also, the percentage barely takes the lead of gen 1 with ~30%, of which there are more casual ones in.
-BW depends on whether you mean the enw Unovadex for BW2 or postgame stuff in BW, which was full of random and just filled with everything they could add in kind of thing.


And again, gen V is done. There is no way on earth going to be more DS games. Starting new graphics with something new is quite safe to assume.

C Payne June 29th, 2012 2:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7232480)
@wombateiro:
So what you're saying is that Rayquaza would show up to stop only Kyogre or Groudon?
That would be really lame. Rayquaza saves the day, and is the star.
There is simply no way of "putting Emerald into RS" and keeping it as its meant to be. The legendaries and their plot was designed with 3 games in mind.

There is a way you can implement Emerald into Ruby and Sapphire though. As already shown by Emerald, they want the story to improve, this could be what the remakes are for: to keep the main basics intact, but to improve on it a bit.

Do you honestly think only one team goes through the trouble of awakening their legendary while the other sits by though? It would make more sense to have both teams involved. Maybe you could go after both to begin with, then for some reason you only bother with keeping up with one of them for the rest of the game, depending on the version you have(so you only see more of your team).

If you think about it, the only problem would be the whole Rayquaza situation, because it would be tough to put it into the picture without letting it hog the spotlight. The way I see it, they should get the big battle scene on and, in it, they could allow Rayquaza to work more on the opposite mascot, to the point where they are both weakened. Your mascot then could come in and mess them up more, haha, only to notice you trying to get involved before it proceeds to finish them off. This would send you into the battle.

Also, why is it that bad to think that hints could be in the games? Yeah, it gets annoying when people start grasping at the most simple/random things, but Game Freak could actually be hiding things for a little extra fun, hinting at possible stuff in the future- like the Dream World being hinted at way back in Gen 3. Coincidence isn't the answer to everything either, haha.

MiTjA June 29th, 2012 2:47 PM

With unavoidable changes to the peak of the games plots, why bother making them remakes then to begin with, instead of doing something new right away?.

C Payne June 29th, 2012 3:05 PM

That's not entirely new though, it's just changing them so they could keep the basics of the originals(stopping the team that you continue to pursue) yet add in bits of Emerald to improve the overall story.

It's like how they say that they want to bring something new to the table, yet they don't want to completely mess with the memories of the old games. With RSE being the first to actually have more drastic changes, this could be the perfect timing to implement something like that is what I'm saying.

P0kelegend June 29th, 2012 3:46 PM

I think the only real evidence we've got from B/W & B2W2 are the fact we can get shoal salt and I think the shoal shell too in B/W. In B2W2, I don't think there are hints towards pretty much anything other than the fact that the Pokemon World Tournament and Driftveil are plastered with emerald and green everywhere. Thats all I could get from B2W2.

So, I definitely do think the remakes will happen but I can't say that there is so much evidence solidifying it'll happen so soon. The only other thing I can come up with is my assumption on the other page that Hoenn will practically be completely unvisitable once they switch their main games the 3DS, but I wouldn't even say that means anything because they could just throw Hoenn in as a second region to a Gen VI game or something.

wombateiro June 30th, 2012 1:55 AM

If they don't make remakes for DS, they could easily make them for 3DS using slightly improved gen 5 engine reprogrammed for 3DS. True that it would make more sense to start 3DS with new generation, but gen 5 already broke the console pattern because of sharing the same platform with gen 4, so everything is possible now. After R/S remakes Game Freak could make completely new 3DS engine for gen 6.

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Not much because they choose old pokemon on many factors, and what past generation they are from is probably the last thing they consider if they even do it.

I mean, for example they would put a Wingull in a game because there is locations where wild Wingulls just make sense, not because they want more gen 3 pokemon.

Not sure about that. Almost all of gens 1 and 2 Pokemon would make the same sense to be put in each game, so Game Freak had to choose which group should be featured more in each generation. They clearly focused on gen 1 Pokemon in R/S and on gen 2 Pokemon in D/P/Pt (all Unown forms and overall amount of gen 2 Pokemon in the wild, because of their new evolutions introduced in gen 4).

Now they put the most gen 3 Pokemon in B2/W2 pre-game. It looks like it's pattern of featuring Pokemon of each gen they plan to remake, meaning R/S remakes in gen 5.

Kerjo June 30th, 2012 3:45 AM

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Originally Posted by P0kelegend (Post 7233322)
I think the only real evidence we've got from B/W & B2W2 are the fact we can get shoal salt and I think the shoal shell too in B/W. In B2W2, I don't think there are hints towards pretty much anything other than the fact that the Pokemon World Tournament and Driftveil are plastered with emerald and green everywhere. Thats all I could get from B2W2.

Have you played B2W2 yet? If so, you must have noticed that the new areas in B2W2 have a Hoenn feel to them. I'd say the biggest hints would be the emeralds in PWT and Driftveil, Rebirth Cave, the route before Rebirth Cave, and the New town with the water Gym. They scream Hoenn.

Manganum June 30th, 2012 4:10 AM

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7233917)
If they don't make remakes for DS, they could easily make them for 3DS using slightly improved gen 5 engine reprogrammed for 3DS.

No. The 3DS engine is completely different from the DS. Yes, they could remake RSE using the DS engine, but then they would be (legally) forced to market the games under a dying console. BW2 will be the last Pokemon games made for the DS.

I have absolutely no doubt that they'll remake RSE, and I can guarantee you that I'll be the first out of every single person here to pre-preorder them.

Kanto_Johto June 30th, 2012 8:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Manganum (Post 7233983)
No. The 3DS engine is completely different from the DS. Yes, they could remake RSE using the DS engine, but then they would be (legally) forced to market the games under a dying console. BW2 will be the last Pokemon games made for the DS.

I have absolutely no doubt that they'll remake RSE, and I can guarantee you that I'll be the first out of every single person here to pre-preorder them.

https://anerdslife.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/challengeaccepted.jpg

Also, is the B2W2 version of Rustburo City actually used anywhere during the gameplay or is it just programmed into the game but unused? If it's unused, I think that's one of the first credible hints that supports Game Freak planning RSE remakes for real.

blue June 30th, 2012 9:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Manganum (Post 7233983)
No. The 3DS engine is completely different from the DS. Yes, they could remake RSE using the DS engine, but then they would be (legally) forced to market the games under a dying console. BW2 will be the last Pokemon games made for the DS.

I can guarantee you that I'll be the first out of every single person here to pre-preorder them.

I might have to take you up on that one, I've been very anticipated about Ruby & Sapphire remakes for quite some time now, I too am positive about them being remade.. not 100% but I have hope.

Clark June 30th, 2012 2:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Manganum (Post 7233983)
No. The 3DS engine is completely different from the DS. Yes, they could remake RSE using the DS engine, but then they would be (legally) forced to market the games under a dying console. BW2 will be the last Pokemon games made for the DS.

I dunno about that. Remember Mystery Dungeon Red and Blue? They were the same game, one being for GBA and one being for DS with slight enhancements. That was probably a much bigger leap, and they made it work. I think if they want to make the remakes on the 3DS they could easily do something similar to BW but reprogrammed and enhanced to work for the 3DS. It'd probably be quicker and easier than it would be for them to make something from scratch.

But I'm not sure if they're even really ready to move Pokemon onto the 3DS. Even BW2 being for the DS instead of the 3DS is still a little surprising to me, since the DS ought to be a "dying console" by now. But it does make sense, considering the 3DS hasn't been doing as well as expected. And, since the 3DS can play DS games just as well, it makes the games more available to more people. So I really wouldn't be too surprised to see RSE remakes for the DS, and if they are for the 3DS I wouldn't expect much of an upgrade from BW2.

Kerjo June 30th, 2012 3:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Kanto_Johto (Post 7234113)
Also, is the B2W2 version of Rustburo City actually used anywhere during the gameplay or is it just programmed into the game but unused? If it's unused, I think that's one of the first credible hints that supports Game Freak planning RSE remakes for real.

Midway through my second play-through and I haven't heard it, and I don't remember hearing it the first time. I seriously doubt that it's Rustburo City though. Music remixes sounds very similar to the original and this new Rustburo music is completely unrecognizable.

Kanto_Johto June 30th, 2012 4:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kerjo (Post 7234403)
Midway through my second play-through and I haven't heard it, and I don't remember hearing it the first time. I seriously doubt that it's Rustburo City though. Music remixes sounds very similar to the original and this new Rustburo music is completely unrecognizable.

Are we thinking of the same remix?

Here's the one I'm talking about:
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Sounds almost identical to the original to me (musically speaking). I'm assuming this is the one everyone is talking about.

P0kelegend June 30th, 2012 4:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Kerjo (Post 7233968)
Have you played B2W2 yet? If so, you must have noticed that the new areas in B2W2 have a Hoenn feel to them. I'd say the biggest hints would be the emeralds in PWT and Driftveil, Rebirth Cave, the route before Rebirth Cave, and the New town with the water Gym. They scream Hoenn.

Very true, I don't know why I forgot about those. Then, there actually is a decent amount of hints. Rebirth cave has to be a pretty big hint IMO, there is one part in the cave with a big pool of water/magma which almost exactly resembles the caves that Groudon/Kyogre can be caught in, in Emerald. The part with the houses on top of the water in Shizui's town reminded me of Pacifidlog straight away.

Also, the fact that a Rustboro remix was programmed into B2W2 but is not used ANYWHERE in the game could very well be some sort of evidence too. Although, I think I remember that they put a remix of Suicine's battle music in FRLG and it meant nothing but who knows.

The hints are quite subtle, because you can't be 100% sure as to whether they thought of them as hints or not when putting them in but I'd say the ones you mentioned are very interesting and its likely that they could be hints.

Kerjo June 30th, 2012 4:55 PM

No, I haven't heard that remix up until now. In B2W2 there is a soundtrack with the same name that sounds completely different. I don't like it! ;-;

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blue June 30th, 2012 6:33 PM

That sounds far too upbeat for Rustboro and I can't even hear the connection, if anything its more like Hearthome City from Sinnoh DPPT and if it is written into the ROM I can't understand why it is but I certainly hope the remakes soundtrack isn't like that... they can do a much better job than that.

Kanto_Johto June 30th, 2012 7:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Kerjo (Post 7234458)
No, I haven't heard that remix up until now. In B2W2 there is a soundtrack with the same name that sounds completely different. I don't like it! ;-;

Spoiler:

Yeah.....that is definitely not the Rustburo City music. The second half of that one sounds a bit like the second half of the Viridian/Pewter/Saffron City music. I concur with Suicune; the connection to the original theme isn't even noticeable.

NV June 30th, 2012 7:10 PM

There's no way the remakes will be 3DS
Theres nothing to gain from making MORE 3D effects.
Plus it would make transfering your old pokemon from the advanced series a long tedious process.
DS games are still being made, theres no reason to make every game exclusivley for the 3ds because the 3D effects will remove a large portion of customers that want new games but are to young to have a 3DS(like a kid is going to leave that slider alone just because the game tells him its bad for him). And having all the regions in one style (more or less) is much more promising in the longrun.
Also note that there were Dsi only games but Pokemon never touched them.
They might make the spin offs 3ds but the main games use sprites and 3d makes sprites look horrible.
Besides, if the remakes were to be made for 3ds then Black and White would have been for the 3ds as well (foollowing the patern, the remakes are the same type as the new Gen before them.)
I highly doubt that they'll switch to 3ds for the remake of Ruby and Sapphire, if they switch at all. I don't see how the fans of the main games will accept the games looking like the stadium series all of a sudden.

Moving on to what I'm looking forward too:
The secret bases will take on new mechanics (probably fusing in the missions from Black and White)
We'll get back to the old fashioned Pokemon contests (with new twists thanks to the new pokemon and moves)
The Spinda collecting might return.
We'll get to see better cutscenes and the triple battles may appear here and there.
Absol and zangoose will be available for wild capture once again.
I'll have a reason to play without cheats once again!
The Pokenav call system might be re implimented.
The battle frontier will probably look AMAZING in Semi-3d.
And so will the legendaries.
Fully animated Magma and Aqua members!
THE FLUTES FINALLY WORK AGAIN!
Can you IMAGINE what the soot fall would look like?
and finally....
Returning to my hoenn adventures which I actually enjoyed repeating over and over!

Bluerang1 June 30th, 2012 8:18 PM

I like the one remake theory, with only 5 per Generation. They can also make it on the DS without much fuss. And then a brand new Generation 6 for the 3DS.

voicerocker June 30th, 2012 9:25 PM

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Originally Posted by NV (Post 7234546)
There's no way the remakes will be 3DS
Theres nothing to gain from making MORE 3D effects.

The remakes would only be on the DS if they are part of Gen 5. If they go to Gen 6 next, which will definitely be on the 3DS, then they'll be on the 3DS too. However, as has already been said, the DS is pretty much over.

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Originally Posted by NV (Post 7234546)
Plus it would make transfering your old pokemon from the advanced series a long tedious process.

If you get to keep your old Pokemon, does it really matter?

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Originally Posted by NV (Post 7234546)
DS games are still being made, theres no reason to make every game exclusivley for the 3ds because the 3D effects will remove a large portion of customers that want new games but are to young to have a 3DS(like a kid is going to leave that slider alone just because the game tells him its bad for him).

DS games are fading away. Gen 5 being on the DS was somewhat odd in the first place, though understandable in a way.
The 3D is totally optional. Don't like the 3D, just turn it off. I doubt kids would stare into the 3D that long anyway, I myself can only stand it for a few minutes before it becomes a little annoying.

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Originally Posted by NV (Post 7234546)
And having all the regions in one style (more or less) is much more promising in the longrun.

Does it really matter if all regions are in the same "style"?

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Originally Posted by NV (Post 7234546)
Also note that there were Dsi only games but Pokemon never touched them.
They might make the spin offs 3ds but the main games use sprites and 3d makes sprites look horrible.

DSi and DSLite are over soon too, if not already. 3DS is now. And I believe the 3D world and sprite character combination looks pretty good myself. The sprites themselves don't have to be 3D.

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Originally Posted by NV (Post 7234546)
Besides, if the remakes were to be made for 3ds then Black and White would have been for the 3ds as well (foollowing the patern, the remakes are the same type as the new Gen before them.)

You're assuming they will definitely follow this broken pattern. We expected Gray/Grey. Black 2 and White 2 changed it.

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Originally Posted by NV (Post 7234546)
I highly doubt that they'll switch to 3ds for the remake of Ruby and Sapphire, if they switch at all. I don't see how the fans of the main games will accept the games looking like the stadium series all of a sudden.

"If they change at all"? I hope you don't mean that you think Pokemon will stay on the DS forever, because regardless of when remakes come, Pokemon and every other major Nintendo franchise that hasn't yet WILL jump to the 3DS.

Also, I doubt a change like that to "stadium style" battles would be received negatively. However, I read somewhere that Game Freak prefers sprites for the main series, so we may not even see the games change to that.

NV June 30th, 2012 10:23 PM

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post.

Okay, compared to the arguments on my old home site, that was like a handshake.
I'll take back my rant because you, sir, have just removed my worries with your reply.

So yeah, I guess if they just use the 3D to separate the forground and background (Opponent and Player in battle) and kept the sprites I'd be fine with a 3D remake, I'd love to see the cuscenes in 3d.

In particular I hope they take some elements from Emerald story wise.
Such as magma and aqua BOTH causing trouble, magmas base being in the mountains, and the stories legendary getting its own dynamic cut-scene.
Basically the emerald storyline up until when one of the Legendaries is awakened, then the story should follow its versions plot. But when Kyorge or Groudon wake up and just before you fight it I'd like there to be a scene during those two points.

Another thing I'd like them to add is a story to the Battle frontier to make me want to go further, like they did in Gold and Silver for the Gym rematch and in Diamond and Pearl with Lucas' father.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 1st, 2012 10:24 AM

Well Emerald had a bit of a story for the battle frontier existing, not much though other than Scott wanting to have strong trainers gather.

I'm hoping the world Tournament is found in Hoenn too for the remakes, perhaps it can be like an 8th battle frontier facility of sorts.


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