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Of course all those things can be said to be coincidences, but there are so many of them that it's hard to believe Game Freak made them all without thinking about remaking R/S/E. |
I feel like even though Unova is resembling Hoenn's features a lot (the stuff wombateiro just mentioned above) they're going to have to remake RSE eventually. They stopped making GBA games and Hoenn was part of the Pokemon history so they'll probably want the newer fans to experience it too. I don't think they're just going to.. forget about them.
When the GSC games turned 10 everyone was basically begging for a remake and we got one, though that might be because the games were 2 platforms old (Gameboy Color -> Advanced -> DS iirc). Idk, I just feel like they're going to have to do it eventually, especially with lots of fans begging for a remake of these games, too. |
We spent two generations on the Ds, so if Hoenn isn't remade this gen it will never have been in the ds rather the 3Ds which will be the handheld for Gen VI (unless Gf plans to drag on making DS games...). The rushing of this generation gives me the impression that they want to end the gen as quick as possible to start making 3DS games.
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^ That thought came to me but they just didn't make them DSi exclusive enough.
Anyways on topic: What new features do you think the remakes will have? I can see walking with Pokémon returning. Also each remake has had a feature later seen in a larger form in the following gen (wi-fi in FrLg, and special Pokémon (Pokéwalker -> Dreamworld). |
Ah well they'll definitely have some sort of GTS-type-thingy. Because that's how things go now. But the best thing imo would be a combination acro/mach bike. Which is such a dorky and minute thing. However I think it would be great, especially if they put in more stuff you could only reach with the bike. Because that kind of thing is fun. Also maybe more diving areas and more things what diving is useful for?
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One, it's not necessary to go underwater to get to the final gym, you have an option of taking the tunnel or going through the route. But this could be connected to the final town/gym type theory. If you played Black, Iris wasn't a gym leader so the relevance of events can't really be used. Hence why I didn't state that as Iris was already hinted at becoming stronger in BW. Still I see your point. Music changing can't really be a hint as in every game that has a major change happening the music changes. It goes with the mood. |
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You're right that those things from B2/W2 aren't exactly the same like in R/S/E, but that's actually good thing because they resemble R/S/E but have their own style at the same time. Also, Hidden Hollows scream Secret Bases. I really think we should except R/S remakes in gen 5. Hoenn is being hinted in B/W/B2/W2 like Johto was being hinted in D/P/Pt. |
We've had a similar thing to . Gs could be played on gameboy but were licensed as color games. Bw/b2w2 may not have dsi written on the covers but the games code shows its a dsi game.
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It does, huh wasn't aware of that...well that would make possible remakes this generation fit with the remakes after 2 console.
I'm hoping that they allow us to travel around that somewhat large island north of the rapid water route. They could add some more routes and have a side quest in which we have to explore them. Perhaps they can hold foreign legends post game. Hoenn also has the rest of the small islands which we unaccessable in gen III. Plus adding more land to explore would please those "Hoenn has too much water and not enough land" people (no not Team Magma). |
I think they were more irritated by the lack of Pokes found on the water routes rather than the actual routes themselves. If they expand the 'dex a little and add in some more extras throughout the water routes, that may help a lot.
It's nice to have a set of games that have a more vast ocean to explore, all land gets stale. That's all we've basically had aside from Gen III. Making more of the previously inaccessible islands have something going on on them is interesting though. |
We don't even know if BW or BW2 are getting third versions. With that being said, Hoenn is turning 10 years old this year. BW2 was announced 5 months beforehand, so Hoenn remakes released in November or so are out of the picture. There's still a chance of a spring/summer 2013 release.
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My guess if they are released next year it'll be announced around March and released in September, or possibly announced in January and released in June.
Also if RSE remakes are coming we should look at the next Movie for possible hints, especially if a Hoenn Pokémon is playing a prominent role a la Notch ear Pichu. |
Remakes in this year aren't totally impossible. B2/W2 were announced 4 months before release. Interesting thing is that we started getting solid information only about 2 months before release. R/S remakes might be announced in August and start being promoted in September and October.
Maybe they are planning something like in 2004, when FR/LG got released outside Japan only 1 week before Emerald in Japan. Btw, assuming World Tournament in B2/W2 is canon (because Koga is not present), and because Wallace is in Champions group, I think R/S remakes might even be in gen 5 timeline because in HG/SS Steven says he's the Champion and that he must go back to League, so he wasn't replaced by Wallace in gen 4 yet. |
I have always said that there will be these remakes and most likely for the 3DS, but it won't happen for like, 2-3 years I think. The dust will have to settle around B2/W2 and then I expect to start seeing rumblings of the remakes. |
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There is a clever fix water routes: Islands. Along the expansive water routes and diving spots there are islands dedicated to ALL types of pokemon, not just one type. * PLUS, this adds an opportunity to add SECRET islands to search for. Imagine if there where 17 islands scattered along all of the water routes of Hoenn, forcing the player to use a comination of Surf, Dive, and Waterfall to find all 17 of these legendary places. * And the islands themselves could be something special. |
It would be cool if they made a remake of Pokemon Emerald and amplify the story so N can make his big comeback and try to capture Rayquaza and force people to release their pokemon by controlling weather or something.
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Recently, a promo for next year's movie confirmed that Genesect will be in it. With Genesect being the only Pokemon left to reveal, why have they shown it almost a year in advance? Many have suggested this means that a Gen VI Pokemon will be in the movie as well, as the big star of the movies is usually revealed in February. This would allow the movie to wrap up Gen V and welcome in Gen VI kind of like the Lucario and Zoroark movies did, which would mean no remakes this time. I feel this makes sense, as there isn't a reason for Genesect to be revealed so soon unless they are planning on moving to Gen VI next year. Quote:
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IMO genesect In next years movie strengthen's the possibility of no gen 6 next year. Because that will be for genesect who has yet tO be revealed, not a sixth gen Pokemon. The future gen Pokemon has tO be the main Pokemon on the movie like lugia, [email protected], Manaphy, and Zorua and zoroark. Either we're getting a new game next year or they are skipping a year like they did with emerald-> dp.
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You can put the 10th anniversary thing to rest. It definitely won't happen this year. We're a little over halfway into 2012 and B2W2 were just released in Japan and are out in October elsewhere, which is the 10th month of the year. They wouldn't pop out another game in the remaining months I don't think. An American 10th anniversary release however, I can see happening maybe, but I won't put my bet on it.
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The rock-type concern isn't too bad considering you can easily take out Wingull/Pelipper with rock moves and Tentacool with ground moves. I prefered Steven as champion over Wallace, so I don't know what to say about that. As for the secret islands thing, minus the Waterfall use, we already have those- The islands where you can find shards to exchange for evo stones. The idea of having more of those kinds of islands 'hidden'(so we don't ruin the ocean scene) with some extra Pokes is interesting though. Quote:
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The folks at Bulbagarden pointed out that the star of the movies (like Keldeo) are revealed in February, meaning Genesect will not be the main focus of the movie. The hype for it will be lost with a full year to go before the movie is shown, so they will need something else to hype the movie later on. With no other Pokemon left in this generation, the option that makes the most sense is a totally new Pokemon. This would also fit the assumed time period if Game Freak is planning to announce Gen 6 next year, allowing for a potential fall 2013 release. Quote:
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And again, the timeline thing doesn't work with Hoenn. The stories are extremely different, yet are supposed to take place at the same point in time. Emerald does not take place after Ruby and Sapphire. Debating on whether Steven or Wallace is the real champion is like arguing over whether Zekrom or Reshiram was the actual dragon to side with N. Different game, different events. Going by your theory, if Steven is champion in HG/SS, then Ruby and Sapphire are in Gen 4, while Emerald goes with Gen 5. |
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I think that the complete rematch system might be reserved for R/S remakes in gen 5, just like for HG/SS in gen 4. Imo in R/S remakes there might be something like World Conference - all Gym Leaders and Champions gather in one place just like Johto/Kanto Leaders in Fighting Dojo in HG/SS. Player would be able to choose which Gym Leader would be battled with. I wonder in what place in Hoenn it would happen. If that idea would come true, I think only Steven would be present as former Champion in World Conference, just like only Alder is in World Tournament. Wallace would be staying in League, just like Iris in B2/W2. I think this could be reason why Hoenn and Unova are the only regions to have one Champion replacing previous one. Quote:
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I wouldn't be surprised to see the R/S/E remakes on 3DS - which would be fantastic - before Gen VI. Given the speed at which Gen V's "secret legendaries" have appeared I can't help but feel Gen VI will be out in a couple of years with the gap plugged by R/S/E remakes as the "trial" of Pokémon on the 3DS.
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I think B2W2 are the last in the Pokemon series to be on the DS platform, if RS remakes are going to be released then I'd assume they started it along side Black & White 2 and are now focusing on the remakes on hand considering B2W2 have been released... if the remakes are on the 3DS they're going to be big! We've got all of 2013 to see what happens, let's hope for the best!
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Even if gen 6 Pokemon would appear in next movie, it doesn't have to mean gen 6 game and no R/S remakes in gen 5. Remember how Lucario appeared in movie NOT straight before D/P release.
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Victini was not the only Pokemon to make its movie debut. Reshiram and Zekrom were also there. The difference is that Zoroark introduced Gen 5, not Victini. And unlike Victini or Keldeo, Genesect has no one left to star with. This is why a new Pokemon is more likely. Quote:
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I also think there's a big assumption that EVERYONE wants Hoenn, which isn't true. And some people are only hoping to see Hoenn next just to keep the "remakes every Gen" thing going. Now, Emerald and Gen 4 had a 2 year gap between 2004 and 2006. But, we got Gale of Darkness in 2005 to hold us over. If a Wii or WiiU title comes out next year, that would change things up. But to me, it appears Gen 5 is finished with no Gen 3 remakes. |
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I meant that Emerald is proven to have canon storyline, not R/S, because we have Steven and Wallace as Champions and Juan as Gym Leader in World Tournament. Seeing how Emerald is proven to be canon and appears to be in gen 5 timeline, R/S remakes (with Emerald's additions) should be in gen 5 too. Quote:
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^And Notch ear Pichu too.
Though this whole Emerald is canon thing is set in stone as the WT itself might not be canon post game plus Steven references the player in HgSs... unless there's two alternate canons like in BW (where there's the N got Reshiram in White vs. N got Zekrom in White)... Either way I agree that having gen VI pokémon doesn't disprove remakes being in this generation, Munchlax itself was shown in Destiny Deoxys sometime before Emerald came out. |
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I think that R/S remakes will have basically Emerald storyline with Groudon/Kyogre encounter, much like HG/SS are made, because third games events are always canon. Characters from WT prove that. And WT is canon itself because Koga is not present as Elite Four members can't go to WT. |
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Yellow's events are also not within the FR/LG remakes so Third games aren't all Canon. So far only 2 have shown to be canon and only 1 through Remakes as a Minor Side story. So if we go that route, Rayquaza's use would be a Minor Side Story just like Suicune's which was just a random add in and nothing more. If they remake the games they are going to be true to the original titles, so if they remake Ruby and Sapphire, we are going to get Ruby and Sapphire. Odds of the opposite Legend appearing are fairly low unless they show up once as an off screen occurrence (Aqua/Magma awakens Kyogre/Groudon without your meddling cause you are too busy trying to stop the other team) and Rayquaza shows up to stop the fight on its own. After that you wouldn't be able to fins Kyogre if you are playing the Ruby Remake or Groudon if you are playing the Sapphire Remake. And yes Steven was referencing the Main Characters. He said a couple of trainers that looked a like like all Main Characters within the same games do. The only MC's to be given actual names was Red. All the others when referenced are known as "A trainer" or "the Trainers". |
I think you'll be able to catch both legendary pokemon, since in HG/SS you could capture one during the main game and the other post-game, unlike in the original gold and silver
probably have Terra and Marine caves in their respective games while Rayquaza sleeps on Sky Pillar I hope we'll be able to re-battle Steven (If he's not Champion) ala Red in HG/SS and the Elite Four's Pokemon get a level boost post-game like most Gen IV/V games BW2 spoiler Spoiler:
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And no, even for it to have giovanni as an ex gymleader he still could not be there because he was in hiding. He would notbe there if it were canon, not to mention cilan, cress, chili, lenora, and brycen who are not even needed in the unova league's lime up are still there as gymleaders making unova's gym count 11 with 13 leaders. They could have added koga if they wanted like giovanni, they simply chose not to. PWT isn't canon and doesn't hold any support to rumors. And yes even in b2w2 until you use memory link all references to hilbert/hilda are said as "the trainer(s)". Steven's reference in HG/SS were about brendan/may. Even cynthia's reference is amberdextrous enough to reference both dawn/lucas. They would not be programmed to say those things if not immediate References to the older games. PWT isn't credible reference for remake hints nor credible to current canon. Odds are the remakes will stick to ruby/sapphire's main story like the others did. There are only two points that the story can diverge from main plot to allow for rayquaza and opposite legend to appear. Off screen awakening of opposite, or after story event where you get to awaken the opposite legend yourself. Though last is less likely as they are pretty much going to keep the box legends exclusive likein the originals. Remaking emerald isn't likely either due to loss of sales, they'd make more with two games, we all know this, than they would with one remake. Still only credible references we have for remakes are steven's unneeded appearence in hg/ss and the new caves in b2w2. Sad to say that the most credible reference was in gen 4 which almost discredits it. Those are so far the only irrefutable references we have. Not much to say which system it'll be on. Still since the dsi is gunna be discontinued, good chance that it'll be for the 3ds. I still support gen 6 cause it doesn't make sense for two main games to be on two seperate main systems. |
Giovanni wasn't in hiding, he was training
"There is nothing I wish to say to you. I will concentrate solely on bettering myself, and none other." "Having lost, I cannot face my underlings! Team Rocket is finished forever! I will dedicate my life to the study of Pokémon. Let us meet again someday! Farewell!" Archer: "Oh? You managed to get this far...? You must be quite the Trainer. We intend to take over this Radio Tower and officially announce our comeback. That should bring our boss Giovanni back from his solitary training. We are going to regain our former glory... I will not allow you to interfere with our meticulous plans!" wonder if they'll have w WT in the remakes or not |
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If you want to keep original R/S storyline in remakes, both legendaries can't be awaken because one of the teams in not evil. The storyline you suggested is closer to Emerald, rather than to R/S, because of having both teams doing evil work. However I'm not saying it's bad plot because it's alright. Still, WT is imo canon because all trainers who were free to participate, are there. Giovanni wasn't hiding. Koga couldn't participate because of being Elite Four member. There is nothing conflicting with canon. Quote:
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There is another scenerio that could still make Emerald Canon but wouldn't necessary make Hoenn take place after HgSS' time. Remember we can fight Steven post game in Emerald, he could've been refering to that (though he also called himself champion...) while Wallace was still champ. Both sets of remakes only made things harder to decipher for RS' remakes and it's own timeline (though I think it's somewhere between FrLG's time and HgSs').
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Yes international still counts. As for Giovanni and the PWT, no he wasn't "Free" nor are Cilan, Cress, Lenora, Chili, and Brycen still Gym Leaders so again, they were just added in when they didn't need to be there. Same can be said for Red who isn't Champion cause he either replaces Blue making Blue take over Giovanni's Gym as he should be, or Red is replaced by Lance as he is in G/S/C/HG/SS. They were simply chosen to be added in. So the PWT isn't Canon nor credible since its supposed to have downloadable updates if that early rumor holds true. As for Steven's reference, he makes a dual reference because it is the first real game where both Protags appear in the game regardless of Gender chosen. Cynthia makes an identical statement in B/W. The only difference she says it in singular, but they are both the only two to reference previous Main Characters. Since Steven was the first his reference was doubled because they didn't want to insult people. Cynthia was a more vague but equally open statement that says one but referencing both characters still. They even say the same thing as a description. Steven also does not say group. He said the ones that gave him tough battles and Canon wise that has only ever been the PC. Since unlike Lance and Cynthia, Steven isn't shown battling against the Evil teams. Don't know why you are arguing against one of the only Valid points to a remake when you so heavily support remakes. As for PWT in the remakes I doubt it. I see those as B2W2 only as we'd get the Battle Frontier back along with Contests to replace the Musicals, Pokestar Studioes, Black Tower/White tree, PWT and Battle Subway. And only reason I'm trying to add Rayquaza and the other in is because everyone else seemed against the thought of Sapphire only story and Ruby only story, but since you are arguing the credentials against those I guess you are going back on your earlier speculations as well, meaning you support the Sapphire Story/Ruby Story only remakes with no Emerald additions. Those are really the only points that the stories could do references to one another while incorporating Emerald's little tidbit without becoming 2 flat Emerald Remakes with Exclusive Pokemon which makes no sense for them to do, and even less sense for them to make 1 with a fifth of the Hoenn Pokemon missing like they would in Emerald. Quote:
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As for the remakes. When you think about it FrLG, HgSs have been pretty flat remakes themselves...heck DP and BW are too with nothing really special contrasting them but version exclusives and in the case of BW two different cities and in B2W2's case a different cave... Most Duel version have been except for Ruby and Sapphire which had the most differences imo. I would like them to focus mostly on the main legends' team but still show the other evil team doing evil stuff as well just not being as focused as much that way there can be the best of both RS and Emerald. |
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Oh but I meant still catching the other legendary post game. BW was unique in which a key trainer character caught the other legendary. So unless someone catches Kyogre or Groudon they'll have to be caught, having the opposite legend appearing and leaving without being seen again would be lame...
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Diamond & Pearl - 17.39 million Ruby & Sapphire - 13.00 million Black & White - 12.87 million HeartGold & SoulSilver - 11.90 million FireRed & LeafGreen - 11.82 million Platinum - 07.06 million Emerald - 06.32 million Notice that R/S beat out even HG/SS, despite all the hype that those remakes brought. They didn't sell much better than FR/LG did. Plus, if you add Platinum and Emerald to the respectful counterparts, it just furthers the gap. (Note: This was only 6 months after Black and White's release, so they haven't quite had time to make an impact, but they still already beat HG/SS) Business-wise, it would be a smart thing based on these figures to just skip remakes. Yes, they sold 11 million each, but after 2 similar results, one would assume a similar outcome would occur. And like I noted earlier, after only 6 months, Black and White surpassed HG/SS, which have been available for a year longer than B/W have been. Also, these numbers were calculated only 5 days after the North American release of B/W, so just imagine what the overall sales results are now! (I couldn't find one more recent that March 2011) Yes, it would be cheaper to produce if they just use the DS system, but many people have finally started to accept that it's once again time for gaming evolution to take place. The DS is done, and as was pointed out several times, it was odd that Gen V was kept on the DS, so the longer they delay the jump to the 3DS, they're only hurting themselves, especially since the 3DS's first upgrade is already coming soon. If I wanted to make maximum profit, I'd go for the stuff that sells the best. That's just plain old business sense. Quote:
July 24, 2010 - Victini revealed December 17, 2010 - Victini/Zekrom movie announced February 2011 - Reshiram confirmed for Zekrom movie/dual movie revealed July 16, 2011 - Victini/Zekrom/Reshiram movie premieres 1. Victini was not the sole star of these movies, Zekrom and Reshiram were both equally important. 2. First time ever, we get dual movies to go along with the Black and White theme. 3. Victini was far from the last Pokemon to be revealed in Gen V. Now, look at these dates: December 2007 - Giratina/Shaymin movie announced (Giratina confirmed, Shaymin only hinted at) February 2008 - Shaymin revealed February 2008 - Giratina Origin Forme & Shaymin Sky Forme revealed July 19, 2008 - Giratina/Shaymin movie premieres September 13, 2008 - Pokemon Platinum released --- December 2008 - Arceus movie announced (only Dialga, Palkia and Giratina confirmed to appear) December 2008 - Spiky eared Pichu revealed February 14, 2009 - Arceus revealed May 2009 - Pokemon HeartGold & SoulSilver announced July 18, 2009 - Arceus movie premieres September 12, 2009 - Pokemon HeartGold & SoulSilver released --- December 2009 - Zoroark movie announced (Only Celebi and Johto Beasts confirmed) February 10, 2010 - Zoroark revealed April 9, 2010 - Pokemon Black & White announced July 10, 2010 - Zoroark movie premieres September 18, 2010 - Pokemon Black & White released --- December 2011 - Kyurem/Keldeo movie announced (only Kyurem and the Swordsmen confirmed) February 15, 2012 - Keldeo revealed February 26, 2012 - Pokemon Black 2 & White 2 announced February 26, 2012 - Black Kyurem & White Kyurem revealed March 1, 2012 - Meloetta revealed May 12, 2012 - Kami trio Therian Formes revealed June 13, 2012 - Keldeo Resolution Form revealed June 23, 2012 - Pokemon Black 2 & White 2 released July 1, 2012 - Genesect shown in promo for 2013 movie July 14, 2012 - Kyurem/Keldeo movie to premiere See the pattern? Usually, movie details come out in December, a Pokemon or forme that is to star in the next movie is revealed in February, and then movie premieres in July, followed by a September game release of some kind. With Genesect already being shown, what is there left to reveal next February? Nothing but a new Pokemon. The Kami trio Therian formes I believe have been confirmed for Best Wishes 2, so they'll have their time in the series. As for Gen 4 reveals, Munchlax was revealed first in 2004 with D/P announced later that year, however the games wouldn't come out for 2 more years, which is probably why they just slowly revealed more Pokemon until the games were finished. We also got XD: Gale of Darkness in 2005. Still, if remakes were coming, a Gen 3 Pokemon should have been revealed for the 2013 movie first, with Genesect being saved for the February news as it is still a new unrevealed Pokemon. It's not impossible that they'll use an old Pokemon as the star, but it's highly unlikely. My prediction (at least for now) is: Sometime in the future - Genesect reveal and event announced December 2012 - Genesect movie announced (Will confirm Genesect to appear) February 2013 - New Pokemon revealed (will debut in Genesect movie) March-May 2013 - Gen 6 announced July 2013 - Genesect movie premieres September 2013 - Gen 6 released |
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If Lanette and Bill are indeed co-workers, they more than likely worked on the project for some time; that doesn't have much to do with the actual main events of the Gens themselves. I'm not saying that they are only used for being able to cross-region trade, but that they aren't anything that should constitute as solid obviously. They only really prove that the 2 regions can communicate fully, at least sometime near the end of Gen I's events. (Trading compatibility should be the least proof anyways, as there are already impossible ways to trade; Ex: being able to trade Pokes back to I from II under certain conditions) As for Steven's vague reference, that only really shows that Gen III probably occurs before VI and II, like how Ranger slightly hints at that. Remember, we have nothing solid for it happening at the exact same time as Gen I, so that still leaves the 3 year gap between I and VI/II available as a possibility as well. The odd thing is how Steven messes with our minds by refering to himself being Champion during HGSS. When are we going to get off this timeline subject though? Have tried to not get involved in it, but it seems to be unavoidable. Despite that, it doesn't really have anything to do with the actual thread topic. Trying to get back on topic...does anyone think Secret Bases will have more function than just decorating/battling said friend every so often? |
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I'm not saying the Underground is bad, as it was fun in it's own right, but I think the original secret bases work much better in this case. Rather than just running through some underground cave system, it felt much better to explore the different kinds of bases that you could make from different things; that felt much more suited for an area like Hoenn.
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I would like the original secret bases to reappear. Perhaps we can use pass orbs rather than sphere's to buy stuff for them.
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Whew a lot of speculation to catch up on. There are only a few things I have to say at the moment though.
While internationally, Pokemon Yellow was the third game released, it is not considered a third version in the ways that Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum are. Pokemon Yellow was loosely based off the anime featuring Ash. Therefore when making FR/LG the components of Yellow were ignored because it wasn't meant to be part of the original games (plus no one wanted to run around with a Pikachu who couldn't evolve if you wanted him to). It is assumed that R/S/E takes place at the same time as FR/LG and D/P/PT with HG/SS and with the game hints there's little point in arguing that R/S/E is closer to 5th gen as it takes place at least 3+ years after HG/SS. But this can also explain why Giovanni is in the PWT. After being defeated by Gold, he gave up on ever reviving Team Rocket and went into training. Also if I remember right, the public only thinks that Giovanni abandoned his position as a Gym Leader; they do not know that he was the leader of Team Rocket. The only ones who do are Red, Green/Blue, Gold, and Silver. Meaning that in the time skip he could have come back and regained his role, but we'll never know what happens to Kanto during this time. Course PWT isn't canon so this isn't much to discuss. It might be simpler for them to remake Emerald, because it's events tied a bit more with both games than Crystal did with Gold and Silver. Plus it wouldn't make a big fuss of Team Magma/Aqua not existing in one of the games. It would also give reason for Rayquaza being present as he is part of the trio and just can't be ignored. However, they could change the events around and make Steven the Champion and Wallace a powerful wandering trainer. Another way is to remake R/S and have you side with one team to stop the other. For example in a Sapphire remake, you would side with Team Aqua to stop Team Magma and end up helping them get Kyogre. However, the two Legends are locked in battle creating chaos and so the player is sent to awaken Rayquaza to stop the battle. All incorporating the features from Emerald, but leaving Steven as the Champion and Wallace as a Gym Leader. On the note of B/W breaking patterns, in a way they didn't. They claimed they were starting over with B/W to welcome new people to the franchise and the next games ended up being sequels. Going back to R/B/G, the beginning, the next games made (we're excluding Yellow because it was a special edition for Pikachu, because people wanted to be Ash) were sequels that took place 3 years later. While B2/W2 isn't Gen 6 it's still sort of follows Pokemon game pattern if it is truly considered a reboot. Now my spill is over. Don't kill my points too brutally. :p |
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I actually don't believe a Gen has to have occured in the same timeline to be remade. We already have alternate universes (N and Reshiram/Zekrom, Team Magma and Team Aqua being evil) so it really shouldn't mean there is an absolute set of events that occurs. Quote:
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Also, B/W got the traditional September release in Japan with a US release in March 2011, 5 months later which is the standard I believe. But B2/W2 were released in June, 3 months earlier than usual with the US October release being about 3.5 months between the Japanese release. And again, look at how many Pokemon and formes were revealed this February. Every event Legendary has had its own movie, except Meloetta. They stuck it in the series. Why do that if not to save time? Why not make a movie with it? Why reveal so many Pokemon and formes so soon if Gen 5 is going to continue into 2014? Even Arceus was saved to be revealed the same year HG/SS were released, possibly because of the Arceus event in those games. Regigigas was shown in the preview for the Platinum movie, but had a small role. Lugia and Ho-oh were shown in the preview for the Zoroark movie, but didn't even appear in it. For Genesect (a Pokemon that still hasn't officially been revealed yet) to appear a whole year before its movie should be a red flag. With it being a "new" Pokemon, I doubt it won't be in the movie. So, since we know about Genesect already, what new could there be in February to announce other than a Gen 6 Pokemon? All movies that served as part of the remake eras revealed old Pokemon like Celebi and the Johto trio first in December, then a new or event Pokemon in February. That hasn't changed. |
You know what I think? I think GameFreak is trolling us. Getting our hopes down for the remakes. And then next time you walk through Walmart you see the remakes.
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@ Voicerocker maybe they'll show a gimmicky Hoenn Pokemon like Notch eared Minun and Plusle. Remember Arceus' movie didn't show any generation 5 pokémon despite us speculating it would, perhaps Genesect's movie will simply have some Hoenn mons for promotion and they'll save the gen 6 for the next one which if their are remakes will proably focus on a Hoenn legend my guess is either Deoxys (because it's the last like Mew and Celebi before it) or Jiranchi (cute legend) and a gen VI Pokémon.
I wouldn't be surprise if GF was trolling us with making our hopes go down, I remember they did the same with Notch ear Pichu...everyone was expecting a gen V pokémon... |
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Also, they passed on making a movie for Meloetta for next year. The first time an event Pokemon won't have a full movie featuring it. Why skip Meloetta? They also revealed Darkrai, Shaymin, and Arceus 3 Februarys in a row. Keldeo and Meloetta were both revealed this year and now Genesect has officially appeared. Surely a proper reveal is coming soon, probably in time for the release of the Complete Pokedex and Pokedex Pro 3D. February is the month of the event Pokemon reveal or totally new Pokemon reveal. There are no Unova Pokemon left. |
Does anyone think it would really be necessary to have Ruby and Sapphire remakes? Game Freak's "IT PRINTS MONEY" scheme is getting old, and there are apparently rumours that it'll be an Emerald remake.
I personally would want one big remake with new features which outstand the game from previous remakes. |
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Which brings me back to my original point. Why then insist on plain remakes that mostly just upgrade the graphics, instead of making a new game right away? |
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I honestly don't wanna see a Gen VI. I just don't see what else they could do, new Pokemon wise at least. If it's just a new story, then I'm all for it. |
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Pokemon designs have unlimited options, from being based on millions of real life organisms, thousands of mythological creatures, reverse mimicry for inanimate obejcts, or even just cliches, stereotypes, puns, or heck even things like just fighting techniques or other concepts and ideas. Not to mention the infinite combinations of any of these. With BW they have proven that even if they intentionally go and use the same concepts, they still manage to make them completely fresh and unique. Do I have to point out the hundreds of dedicated fakemon creators, uploading thousands of their own pokemon and never running out of ideas simply because the franchise has the limits set at the edge of the possible. lol |
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Also, I agree with the suggestion that R/S/E remakes are likely to be made in Gen VI. GF have already given us two paired games this gen, and on the whole it feels as though Gen V is coming to a close, especially with eventual retirement of the DS console and the 3DS taking the spotlight. |
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I'd love for them to focus more on the story. They did it extremely well in b/w, especially when continuing it in another game. I'd love to see more continuations in stories, rather than whole new generations of Pokemon every 4 years. We have plenty now that just seem very under utilized every gen, and will continue to be even moreso once new Pokemon are introduced. |
I was honestly surprised when they announced Black 2 and White 2. I, along with many others, expected a third generation remake, as we had precedent from the kanto and johto remakes. I was looking forward to them more than I would like to admit >.< But c'est la vie, it is what it is. We can at least expect that the remakes will come sometime in the fifth generation.
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But at the same time, that's what keeps the game interesting. Like in real life, there is an infite amount of animals and we keep discovering more. The idea is that each region is completely unique and different from the previous one. The 'new starter pokemon' thing may be a bit repetetive, but it is tradition. There might not be any particular reason in creating new regions in another generation if there aren't any new pokemon to introduce. I suppose what I'm saying is, each region is identified with the generation of new pokemon that they have. That's why through the initial play through of FR, LG, HG, and SS, you couldn't catch pokemon outside of that region's regional pokedex, and none at all from the games introduced in the same generation that succeed the original games the remakes were created based off of. So if they lengthened the time between the new generations, that would be fine with me. I'm not the least bit impatient for a new one, even if we know they're coming. |
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We can't really discuss this now because we must see December poster first. It's possible that Gensesct will start being distributed now without proper reveal (for the purpose of Pokedex 3D Pro, it will have Genesect's data) and have full reveal in February/March. For example Deoxys was obvious to be on December 2003 poster, but still, it was fully revealed later in March 2004. Check this poster: http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/0/05/Japanese_M07_teaser_poster.png |
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If they used that setting and took yet another step forward, by introducing say 50 more pokes, and then justifiying a jump to 3DS without the usual main games. It would work nostalgia and as a new game at the same time. Id love it :E |
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Silver and Gold - 1999 (3 years later) Ruby and Sapphire - 2002 (3 years later) Diamond and Pearl - 2006 (4 years later) Black and White - 2010 (4 years later) 3 or 4 years is not "often". That's just enough time for everyone to learn and get use to all the Pokemon introduced. Quote:
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As for that Deoxys poster, before February 2004, Deoxys was still a secret Pokemon, known only to those who spoiled themselves by researching on the internet. It was not recognized as an official Pokemon until Feb '04. The first Deoxys event would not come until that June, right before the Deoxys movie. Yes, no movie has starred a new Gen Pokemon without showing all event Pokemon, but Gen 3 and 4 also had remakes which had to be advertised, which is why Mew, Kyogre, Celebi, the Johto beasts, and Spiky eared Pichu were in the movies. If no remakes are coming, we'll see a Gen 6 Pokemon. Any Pokemon that served as promotion for the remakes was revealed in December (Celebi, Pichu), not February. If you don't believe Gen 5 is ending next year, why do you think they are revealing all the event Pokemon so close together? Going on past trends with events, it should go like this: 2012 - Keldeo movie 2013 - Meloetta movie 2014 - Genesect movie 2015 - First Gen 6/Gen 3 remake movie This clearly won't happen, so how exactly do you see things happening? Quote:
Plus, REMAKES would be just that: remakes. FRLG and HGSS were at their core, the same games as the originals. I see little reason for them to only make a handful of Pokemon just to revisit an old region where old Pokemon will outshine them in the end. If they use Hoenn again, it needs to be in remakes, regardless of whether it's only Emerald, Ruby and Sapphire, or even all three. If not, they should go straight to Gen 6. |
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Meloetta broke the pattern of being event Pokemon and not having full movie, so Genesect could broke the patter of February reveal. It's possible because it's the first time there is something like Pokedex 3D Pro, so that could be reason of early Genesect reveal. Maybe they will just show some other Pokemon featured in movie on December poster and Genesect on February/March poster. |
Well remember they revealed Arceus before HgSs were announced so it wouldn't be strange if they the same with Genesect. Who knows perhaps there might even be a Genesect event in the remakes like Deoxys in Kanto (Sevii islands), Arceus activated an event in HgSs. Perhaps Plasma hid it away in that region so that it may not be found...
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Then there will be a Lairon in some teaser and this thread will go wild.
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Perhaps in Genesect movie Kyogre and Groudon will play important role associating with R/S remakes. None of the gen 3 mascots was featured in Japanese movie title so far, so they finally might be featured. Maybe there will be even dual movie again, one with Kyogre and one with Groudon. That water/magma cave from B2/W2 could have something to do with all of this.
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And I HIGHLY doubt it will be another dual movie. The reason they did that for Reshiram and Zekrom was because of the truth vs. ideals theme Gen 5 has, where neither side is necessarily wrong. It also reflected the game, where in one game, N gets Reshiram and the other he gets Zekrom. There's no reason for Kyogre and Groudon to get that treatment. There's also no evidence of those caves in B2W2 having any significant purpose other than housing a few Pokemon. It was proven Groudon and Kyogre aren't in them. What will be a key factor is when they decide to reveal Genesect. It's July 2012, if they reveal it soon, it won't be the February announcement. That Deoxys poster was revealed in December, but it was basically a silouette. Deoxys's full image was not revealed until February or early March. We only knew it was Deoxys because of hackers finding it in the coding, just like we know about Genesect now. |
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Speaking of devices in R/S remakes - in R/S/E there are two devices in Devon Corp which aren't completed yet. One device is meant to make visualizations of Pokemon dreams - it could be used for Dream World. Another one is meant to talk with Pokemon - I think it could be used with following Pokemon feature, making it much better than in HG/SS, being able to know what exactly Pokemon is saying. |
There is no ancient genesect. All team plasma did was slap a cannon on its back. Creating a new forme of genesect without a cannon on its back is more pointless than keldeo's new form.
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The armor might also be Plasma's but who knows.
I don't really think Genesect will have a new forme in the remakes...if it did B2W2 would proably have some code or something. But I can't say that for sure as I haven't looked at the codes or know anything about that sort of thing. Anyways if there is no be a significant Pokemon in the movie it'll proably be either the electric rabbits or the Hoenn starters. The Rabbits because they are pika clone and they also appeared in Rayquaza's movie the last Hoenn theme movie. |
There has to be a serious star in the movie and its not gonna be Genesect. This is very simple and obvious.
Meaning remakes dont fit from yet another viewpoint, besides the games having to go 3DS next which sure as heck won't be through remakes. |
A 6th gen Pokemon won't be a main star in the next movie. If one was then the birds would also be in from what I see.
Lucario fought the Regis Zoroark fought the beasts 6th gen star will most likely fight the birds. The next movie is genesect's time to shine not an entirely new Pokemon. |
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Lugia fought the Bird trio before so if any it might be the Lake trio or maybe even the Kami trio as those two trio's haven't been in a movie yet. How is it obvious it won't be Genesect though and how does that disprove or really prove remakes? Ontopic: I'm hoping they add White Forest and Black City into the remakes. White for Kyogre, and Black for Groudon so that way there will be more compability. Also speaking of those two they will have to upgrade the Pokenav with all the new features if the remakes are to include all the high link, dream world features as B2W2. |
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