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wombateiro July 1st, 2012 2:18 PM

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Originally Posted by P0kelegend (Post 7234454)
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Originally Posted by Kerjo (Post 7233968)
Have you played B2W2 yet? If so, you must have noticed that the new areas in B2W2 have a Hoenn feel to them. I'd say the biggest hints would be the emeralds in PWT and Driftveil, Rebirth Cave, the route before Rebirth Cave, and the New town with the water Gym. They scream Hoenn.

Very true, I don't know why I forgot about those. Then, there actually is a decent amount of hints. Rebirth cave has to be a pretty big hint IMO, there is one part in the cave with a big pool of water/magma which almost exactly resembles the caves that Groudon/Kyogre can be caught in, in Emerald. The part with the houses on top of the water in Shizui's town reminded me of Pacifidlog straight away.

Also, the fact that a Rustboro remix was programmed into B2W2 but is not used ANYWHERE in the game could very well be some sort of evidence too. Although, I think I remember that they put a remix of Suicine's battle music in FRLG and it meant nothing but who knows.

The hints are quite subtle, because you can't be 100% sure as to whether they thought of them as hints or not when putting them in but I'd say the ones you mentioned are very interesting and its likely that they could be hints.

There are even more things in B2/W2 resembling Hoenn. Going through underwater to get to final gym, new Champion who used to be Gym Leader and left his/her mentor as Gym Leader, crisis and music change caused by actions of mascot Pokemon - Kyurem's ice did that in Opelucid, the same like Kyogre's/Groudon's powers in east Hoenn. Hidden Hollows in B2/W2 resemble Secret Bases in R/S/E.

Of course all those things can be said to be coincidences, but there are so many of them that it's hard to believe Game Freak made them all without thinking about remaking R/S/E.

Altairis July 1st, 2012 9:30 PM

I feel like even though Unova is resembling Hoenn's features a lot (the stuff wombateiro just mentioned above) they're going to have to remake RSE eventually. They stopped making GBA games and Hoenn was part of the Pokemon history so they'll probably want the newer fans to experience it too. I don't think they're just going to.. forget about them.

When the GSC games turned 10 everyone was basically begging for a remake and we got one, though that might be because the games were 2 platforms old (Gameboy Color -> Advanced -> DS iirc).

Idk, I just feel like they're going to have to do it eventually, especially with lots of fans begging for a remake of these games, too.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 2nd, 2012 9:09 AM

We spent two generations on the Ds, so if Hoenn isn't remade this gen it will never have been in the ds rather the 3Ds which will be the handheld for Gen VI (unless Gf plans to drag on making DS games...). The rushing of this generation gives me the impression that they want to end the gen as quick as possible to start making 3DS games.

So I'm starting to think that it will be for gen VI.

RandomDSdevel July 3rd, 2012 6:18 PM

Speaking of Hardware Generations…
 
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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7228279)
This broke the chain for this combo, this is why I don't think we'll be getting Gen 3 remakes until Gen 6 cause that one has a high chance of having less Gen 3 Pokemon and fits the platform pattern.

Actually, the Pokémon generations could still remain in lockstep with the major hardware generations if GameFreak has decided to count the Nintendo DSi separately in this respect.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 3rd, 2012 7:06 PM

^ That thought came to me but they just didn't make them DSi exclusive enough.

Anyways on topic: What new features do you think the remakes will have? I can see walking with Pokémon returning. Also each remake has had a feature later seen in a larger form in the following gen (wi-fi in FrLg, and special Pokémon (Pokéwalker -> Dreamworld).

Aquacorde July 3rd, 2012 9:16 PM

Ah well they'll definitely have some sort of GTS-type-thingy. Because that's how things go now. But the best thing imo would be a combination acro/mach bike. Which is such a dorky and minute thing. However I think it would be great, especially if they put in more stuff you could only reach with the bike. Because that kind of thing is fun. Also maybe more diving areas and more things what diving is useful for?

Kerjo July 4th, 2012 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7235193)
There are even more things in B2/W2 resembling Hoenn. Going through underwater to get to final gym, new Champion who used to be Gym Leader and left his/her mentor as Gym Leader, crisis and music change caused by actions of mascot Pokemon - Kyurem's ice did that in Opelucid, the same like Kyogre's/Groudon's powers in east Hoenn. Hidden Hollows in B2/W2 resemble Secret Bases in R/S/E.

Of course all those things can be said to be coincidences, but there are so many of them that it's hard to believe Game Freak made them all without thinking about remaking R/S/E.

While I'm all for hints towards RSE remakes, I think some of these are more coincidences.

One, it's not necessary to go underwater to get to the final gym, you have an option of taking the tunnel or going through the route. But this could be connected to the final town/gym type theory.

If you played Black, Iris wasn't a gym leader so the relevance of events can't really be used. Hence why I didn't state that as Iris was already hinted at becoming stronger in BW. Still I see your point.

Music changing can't really be a hint as in every game that has a major change happening the music changes. It goes with the mood.

wombateiro July 4th, 2012 6:37 AM

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Originally Posted by RandomDSdevel (Post 7238071)
Actually, the Pokémon generations could stillremain in lockstep with the major hardware generations if GameFreak has decided to count the Nintendo DSi separately in this respect.

That's what I think. Even though gen 5 can be played on old DS/DS Lite, recommended platform is DSi because of Xtransceiver. Also, gen 5 has no option to use dual-slot (dongle) mode because DSi has no GBA slot. It makes gen 5 looking even more to be made especially for DSi. If we treat gen 5 as DSi generation, R/S remakes make sense to be made in gen 5.


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Originally Posted by Kerjo (Post 7238376)
While I'm all for hints towards RSE remakes, I think some of these are more coincidences.

One, it's not necessary to go underwater to get to the final gym, you have an option of taking the tunnel or going through the route. But this could be connected to the final town/gym type theory.

If you played Black, Iris wasn't a gym leader so the relevance of events can't really be used. Hence why I didn't state that as Iris was already hinted at becoming stronger in BW. Still I see your point.

Music changing can't really be a hint as in every game that has a major change happening the music changes. It goes with the mood.

Actually, crisis and temporary music change caused by power of legendary Pokemon is something featured only in R/S/E and B2/W2. I don't mean short music changes at the moment while Pokemon is appearing. I mean Drought/Flood music from R/S/E and frozen Opelucid music from B2/W2.

You're right that those things from B2/W2 aren't exactly the same like in R/S/E, but that's actually good thing because they resemble R/S/E but have their own style at the same time. Also, Hidden Hollows scream Secret Bases. I really think we should except R/S remakes in gen 5. Hoenn is being hinted in B/W/B2/W2 like Johto was being hinted in D/P/Pt.

rocky505 July 4th, 2012 11:28 AM

We've had a similar thing to . Gs could be played on gameboy but were licensed as color games. Bw/b2w2 may not have dsi written on the covers but the games code shows its a dsi game.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 4th, 2012 11:56 AM

It does, huh wasn't aware of that...well that would make possible remakes this generation fit with the remakes after 2 console.

I'm hoping that they allow us to travel around that somewhat large island north of the rapid water route. They could add some more routes and have a side quest in which we have to explore them. Perhaps they can hold foreign legends post game.
Hoenn also has the rest of the small islands which we unaccessable in gen III. Plus adding more land to explore would please those "Hoenn has too much water and not enough land" people (no not Team Magma).

C Payne July 4th, 2012 4:08 PM

I think they were more irritated by the lack of Pokes found on the water routes rather than the actual routes themselves. If they expand the 'dex a little and add in some more extras throughout the water routes, that may help a lot.

It's nice to have a set of games that have a more vast ocean to explore, all land gets stale. That's all we've basically had aside from Gen III.

Making more of the previously inaccessible islands have something going on on them is interesting though.

bwburke94 July 4th, 2012 6:06 PM

We don't even know if BW or BW2 are getting third versions. With that being said, Hoenn is turning 10 years old this year. BW2 was announced 5 months beforehand, so Hoenn remakes released in November or so are out of the picture. There's still a chance of a spring/summer 2013 release.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 4th, 2012 6:33 PM

My guess if they are released next year it'll be announced around March and released in September, or possibly announced in January and released in June.

Also if RSE remakes are coming we should look at the next Movie for possible hints, especially if a Hoenn Pokémon is playing a prominent role a la Notch ear Pichu.

wombateiro July 5th, 2012 12:20 AM

Remakes in this year aren't totally impossible. B2/W2 were announced 4 months before release. Interesting thing is that we started getting solid information only about 2 months before release. R/S remakes might be announced in August and start being promoted in September and October.
Maybe they are planning something like in 2004, when FR/LG got released outside Japan only 1 week before Emerald in Japan.

Btw, assuming World Tournament in B2/W2 is canon (because Koga is not present), and because Wallace is in Champions group, I think R/S remakes might even be in gen 5 timeline because in HG/SS Steven says he's the Champion and that he must go back to League, so he wasn't replaced by Wallace in gen 4 yet.

Captain Fabio July 5th, 2012 3:23 AM

I have always said that there will be these remakes and most likely for the 3DS, but it won't happen for like, 2-3 years I think. The dust will have to settle around B2/W2 and then I expect to start seeing rumblings of the remakes.


SnowpointQuincy July 5th, 2012 4:41 AM

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Originally Posted by C Payne (Post 7239303)
I think they were more irritated by the lack of Pokes found on the water routes rather than the actual routes themselves. If they expand the 'dex a little and add in some more extras throughout the water routes, that may help a lot.

It's nice to have a set of games that have a more vast ocean to explore, all land gets stale. That's all we've basically had aside from Gen III.

Making more of the previously inaccessible islands have something going on on them is interesting though.

Rock pokemon are near unusable in Emerald. The 8th Gym, Champion, and the routes leading up to them are filled with water pokemon.

There is a clever fix water routes: Islands. Along the expansive water routes and diving spots there are islands dedicated to ALL types of pokemon, not just one type.
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PLUS, this adds an opportunity to add SECRET islands to search for. Imagine if there where 17 islands scattered along all of the water routes of Hoenn, forcing the player to use a comination of Surf, Dive, and Waterfall to find all 17 of these legendary places.
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And the islands themselves could be something special.

Shootingace July 5th, 2012 6:15 AM

It would be cool if they made a remake of Pokemon Emerald and amplify the story so N can make his big comeback and try to capture Rayquaza and force people to release their pokemon by controlling weather or something.

voicerocker July 5th, 2012 6:42 AM

Here's something to think about that I read on the Bulbagarden forums.

Recently, a promo for next year's movie confirmed that Genesect will be in it. With Genesect being the only Pokemon left to reveal, why have they shown it almost a year in advance? Many have suggested this means that a Gen VI Pokemon will be in the movie as well, as the big star of the movies is usually revealed in February. This would allow the movie to wrap up Gen V and welcome in Gen VI kind of like the Lucario and Zoroark movies did, which would mean no remakes this time. I feel this makes sense, as there isn't a reason for Genesect to be revealed so soon unless they are planning on moving to Gen VI next year.

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7239705)
Remakes in this year aren't totally impossible. B2/W2 were announced 4 months before release. Interesting thing is that we started getting solid information only about 2 months before release. R/S remakes might be announced in August and start being promoted in September and October.

I doubt it. They packed a ton of features into B2/W2, which should keep players busy for a while, or at least content. All the Legendary Pokemon, the World Tournament, it just seems like these games are serving as the grand finale of the DS games. Plus, we never know what spinoff games will come soon, which I still kind of expect a 3D battling game for the Wii or WiiU, but who knows...

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7239705)
w, assuming World Tournament in B2/W2 is canon (because Koga is not present), and because Wallace is in Champions group, I think R/S remakes might even be in gen 5 timeline because in HG/SS Steven says he's the Champion and that he must go back to League, so he wasn't replaced by Wallace in gen 4 yet.

You can't really argue timeline because Gen V is split up between 2 years. Also, Giovanni is no longer a gym leader, so his appearance in the tournament is strictly as a former gym leader, as Blue fills that role now, yet is in the Champions Tournament. Wallace was included because he has officially served as champion before, same as Alder. If anything, it appears this Champions Tournament is for former Champions. So it would be difficult to say this is canon unless these leaders and champions don't have to have that title to participate. (Take Blue and Red, they can't both be champion because Red beat Blue for the title.)

wombateiro July 5th, 2012 7:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Fabio (Post 7239828)

I have always said that there will be these remakes and most likely for the 3DS, but it won't happen for like, 2-3 years I think. The dust will have to settle around B2/W2 and then I expect to start seeing rumblings of the remakes.


I think it's far too much time to release remakes 2-3 years after B2/W2, considering that gap between B/W and B2/W2 is not even 2 years. Imo remakes will be released in 2013 at the latest, although I hope for 10th anniversary release in this year.

rocky505 July 5th, 2012 7:46 AM

IMO genesect In next years movie strengthen's the possibility of no gen 6 next year. Because that will be for genesect who has yet tO be revealed, not a sixth gen Pokemon. The future gen Pokemon has tO be the main Pokemon on the movie like lugia, [email protected], Manaphy, and Zorua and zoroark. Either we're getting a new game next year or they are skipping a year like they did with emerald-> dp.

RandomDSdevel July 5th, 2012 8:14 AM

The Name Game
 
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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7232480)
The initials of the dragons hint at RS? Seriously? In spanish? No Kyumerald?

But what about the last two letters…?

Sydian July 5th, 2012 8:15 AM

You can put the 10th anniversary thing to rest. It definitely won't happen this year. We're a little over halfway into 2012 and B2W2 were just released in Japan and are out in October elsewhere, which is the 10th month of the year. They wouldn't pop out another game in the remaining months I don't think. An American 10th anniversary release however, I can see happening maybe, but I won't put my bet on it.

@above: There is no way the last letters in the name Kyurem should ever be considered a hint.

wombateiro July 5th, 2012 8:16 AM

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Originally Posted by voicerocker (Post 7240011)
I doubt it. They packed a ton of features into B2/W2, which should keep players busy for a while, or at least content. All the Legendary Pokemon, the World Tournament, it just seems like these games are serving as the grand finale of the DS games. Plus, we never know what spinoff games will come soon, which I still kind of expect a 3D battling game for the Wii or WiiU, but who knows...

Gen 5 still lacks of full-team Gym Leader rematches and following Pokemon feature which could be saved for R/S remakes. World Tournament doesn't have to mean end of DS, because it's just "third game" addition like Battle Frontiers.


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Originally Posted by voicerocker (Post 7240011)
You can't really argue timeline because Gen V is split up between 2 years. Also, Giovanni is no longer a gym leader, so his appearance in the tournament is strictly as a former gym leader, as Blue fills that role now, yet is in the Champions Tournament. Wallace was included because he has officially served as champion before, same as Alder. If anything, it appears this Champions Tournament is for former Champions. So it would be difficult to say this is canon unless these leaders and champions don't have to have that title to participate. (Take Blue and Red, they can't both be champion because Red beat Blue for the title.)

Yes, it's for former Gym Leaders and Champions, but lack of Koga makes me think it's canon because he's Elite Four now, so he can't be present as Gym Leader anymore. And because Steven introduces himself as official Champion in HG/SS, Wallace couldn't be Champion yet, meaning R/S/E around gen 5 timeline. Good reason to remake R/S in gen 5.

RandomDSdevel July 5th, 2012 8:56 AM

Let's Agree to Disagree…
 
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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7238105)
That thought came to me but they just didn't make them DSi exclusive enough.

Some DSi-exclusive features did exist in Pokémon Black and White Versions. For example, only DSi users can video chat using the Xtransceiver.

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7238105)
Anyways on topic: What new features do you think the remakes will have? I can see walking with Pokémon returning. Also each remake has had a feature later seen in a larger form in the following gen (wi-fi in FrLg, and special Pokémon (Pokéwalker -> Dreamworld).

IMHO, the Pokéwalker did NOT precede the Pokémon Dream World because of differences in gameplay, user interfacing, implementation, hardware, and synchronization services. The Pokéwalker should become the predecessor to any StreetPass features that Generation VI may come to display. But you can believe what you like…

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Originally Posted by EternallyAnna (Post 7238201)
But the best thing imo would be a combination acro/mach bike. Which is such a dorky and minute thing. However I think it would be great, especially if they put in more stuff you could only reach with the bike. Because that kind of thing is fun.

I liked the geared bike from Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum. Did Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald have puzzles requiring the use of a similar game mechanic? I don't remember much about RSE because my sister now owns my brother's copy of Sapphire, which I played such a long time ago. I really hope that RSE remakes come out soon so that I can play again…

C Payne July 5th, 2012 9:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SnowpointQuincy (Post 7239887)
Rock pokemon are near unusable in Emerald. The 8th Gym, Champion, and the routes leading up to them are filled with water pokemon.

There is a clever fix water routes: Islands. Along the expansive water routes and diving spots there are islands dedicated to ALL types of pokemon, not just one type.
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PLUS, this adds an opportunity to add SECRET islands to search for. Imagine if there where 17 islands scattered along all of the water routes of Hoenn, forcing the player to use a comination of Surf, Dive, and Waterfall to find all 17 of these legendary places.
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And the islands themselves could be something special.

I was more talking about the lack of variety in Pokemon on the water route. It wasn't that great in comparison to how vast the ocean routes were. I liked having big water routes for once, but it did make it feel a little more like a chore at times when you realize you aren't seeing too many kinds of Pokemon. This could be the time to expand on the chances of seeing others(the encounter rate was ok).

The rock-type concern isn't too bad considering you can easily take out Wingull/Pelipper with rock moves and Tentacool with ground moves. I prefered Steven as champion over Wallace, so I don't know what to say about that.

As for the secret islands thing, minus the Waterfall use, we already have those- The islands where you can find shards to exchange for evo stones. The idea of having more of those kinds of islands 'hidden'(so we don't ruin the ocean scene) with some extra Pokes is interesting though.


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Originally Posted by RandomDSdevel (Post 7240150)
I liked the geared bike from Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum. Did Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald have puzzles requiring the use of a similar game mechanic? I don't remember much about RSE because my sister now owns my brother's copy of Sapphire, which I played such a long time ago. I really hope that RSE remakes come out soon so that I can play again…

Yeah, the Acro Bike had the ability to do wheelies and jump, which were required for some little side puzzles like those areas accessible by going across those beams you had to jump across. The Mach bike was more about speed and had some gears, the best allowing you to ride up those mudslide looking cliffs. You had to go back to the Mauville bike store to switch between the two bikes though.

RandomDSdevel July 5th, 2012 9:25 AM

About Those Islands…
 
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Originally Posted by C Payne (Post 7239303)
Making more of the previously inaccessible islands have something going on on them is interesting though.

Speaking of inaccessible islands, does PokéCommunity have any threads dedicated to why the anime's Orange Islands haven't appeared in any of the games yet? It's just a thought, but I don't want to pollute this discussion.

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Originally Posted by Sydian (Post 7240126)
@above: There is no way the last letters in the name Kyurem should ever be considered a hint.

Hey, at least I tried! I can assume, though, that my guess was dismissed as foolhardy because the name hints for the other BW/B2W2 legendaries were.

voicerocker July 5th, 2012 9:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Fabio (Post 7239828)

I have always said that there will be these remakes and most likely for the 3DS, but it won't happen for like, 2-3 years I think. The dust will have to settle around B2/W2 and then I expect to start seeing rumblings of the remakes.


There's no way they will wait until 2014 or 2015 to continue the main series, regardless of whether Gen 6 or Hoenn remakes come first.

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Originally Posted by Shootingace (Post 7239984)
It would be cool if they made a remake of Pokemon Emerald and amplify the story so N can make his big comeback and try to capture Rayquaza and force people to release their pokemon by controlling weather or something.

N made his comeback in B2/W2. He has no reason to be in Hoenn trying to capture Rayquaza, especially after he has released most, if not all, of his Pokemon.

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Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 7240086)
IMO genesect In next years movie strengthen's the possibility of no gen 6 next year. Because that will be for genesect who has yet tO be revealed, not a sixth gen Pokemon. The future gen Pokemon has tO be the main Pokemon on the movie like lugia, [email protected], Manaphy, and Zorua and zoroark. Either we're getting a new game next year or they are skipping a year like they did with emerald-> dp.

Genesect has been "revealed" in the promo, so we now have an official acknowledgment of its existence. Plus, the Complete Pokedex due to be released soon will include Genesect, so it will no longer be a secret.

The folks at Bulbagarden pointed out that the star of the movies (like Keldeo) are revealed in February, meaning Genesect will not be the main focus of the movie. The hype for it will be lost with a full year to go before the movie is shown, so they will need something else to hype the movie later on. With no other Pokemon left in this generation, the option that makes the most sense is a totally new Pokemon. This would also fit the assumed time period if Game Freak is planning to announce Gen 6 next year, allowing for a potential fall 2013 release.

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7240127)
Gen 5 still lacks of full-team Gym Leader rematches and following Pokemon feature which could be saved for R/S remakes. World Tournament doesn't have to mean end of DS, because it's just "third game" addition like Battle Frontiers.

Doesn't matter. Gym leader rematches are nice, but not necessary with all of the other more powerful trainers around to battle. And if they didn't use following in B/W and still didn't use it for B2/W2, I doubt they are planning on bringing it back since it was only a minor feature.

And just because the tournament is like a third version addition doesn't mean remakes are "next in line".

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7240127)
Yes, it's for former Gym Leaders and Champions, but lack of Koga makes me think it's canon because he's Elite Four now, so he can't be present as Gym Leader anymore. And because Steven introduces himself as official Champion in HG/SS, Wallace couldn't be Champion yet, meaning R/S/E around gen 5 timeline. Good reason to remake R/S in gen 5.

If it is for former champions, then the events of RSE have already taken place as neither Steven nor Wallace should be champion.

And again, the timeline thing doesn't work with Hoenn. The stories are extremely different, yet are supposed to take place at the same point in time. Emerald does not take place after Ruby and Sapphire. Debating on whether Steven or Wallace is the real champion is like arguing over whether Zekrom or Reshiram was the actual dragon to side with N. Different game, different events.

Going by your theory, if Steven is champion in HG/SS, then Ruby and Sapphire are in Gen 4, while Emerald goes with Gen 5.

C Payne July 5th, 2012 9:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RandomDSdevel (Post 7240187)
Speaking of inaccessible islands, does PokéCommunity have any threads dedicated to why the anime's Orange Islands haven't appeared in any of the games yet? It's just a thought, but I don't want to pollute this discussion.\

I can't remember the thread, but I remember someone mentioning that they didn't really have a way to incorporate the special stuff involved(the races and all that involved with the gyms, we were in GB/C times too?), on top of that the OI were a big filler. That's for another topic though, haha.

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Originally Posted by voicerocker (Post 7240216)
There's no way they will wait until 2014 or 2015 to continue the main series, regardless of whether Gen 6 or Hoenn remakes come first.

I think he was saying we probably wouldn't see the remakes for that long, but now with B2W2 out, many are hoping they are next. Like someone mentioned before though, it could be like the gap between Emerald and DP.

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Originally Posted by voicerocker (Post 7240216)
Doesn't matter. Gym leader rematches are nice, but not necessary with all of the other more powerful trainers around to battle. And if they didn't use following in B/W and still didn't use it for B2/W2, I doubt they are planning on bringing it back since it was only a minor feature.

And just because the tournament is like a third version addition doesn't mean remakes are "next in line".

The sequels are really in their own category anyways.

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Originally Posted by voicerocker (Post 7240216)
Going by your theory, if Steven is champion in HG/SS, then Ruby and Sapphire are in Gen 4, while Emerald goes with Gen 5.

Exactly why timeline talk just adds confusion on a lot of occasions.

wombateiro July 5th, 2012 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by voicerocker (Post 7240216)
Doesn't matter. Gym leader rematches are nice, but not necessary with all of the other more powerful trainers around to battle. And if they didn't use following in B/W and still didn't use it for B2/W2, I doubt they are planning on bringing it back since it was only a minor feature.

And just because the tournament is like a third version addition doesn't mean remakes are "next in line".

Actually there are rematches in B2/W2, but very limited. I think full-team rematches will be available in R/S remakes because I see this resemblance: in Platinum and B2/W2 you can re-battle Gym Leaders, but you can't choose which ones because they are randomly generated. They also don't use full team of six Pokemon. In HG/SS you can choose which Gym Leader you re-battle and they also have full teams of six Pokemon.

I think that the complete rematch system might be reserved for R/S remakes in gen 5, just like for HG/SS in gen 4. Imo in R/S remakes there might be something like World Conference - all Gym Leaders and Champions gather in one place just like Johto/Kanto Leaders in Fighting Dojo in HG/SS. Player would be able to choose which Gym Leader would be battled with. I wonder in what place in Hoenn it would happen.

If that idea would come true, I think only Steven would be present as former Champion in World Conference, just like only Alder is in World Tournament. Wallace would be staying in League, just like Iris in B2/W2. I think this could be reason why Hoenn and Unova are the only regions to have one Champion replacing previous one.


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Originally Posted by voicerocker (Post 7240216)
Going by your theory, if Steven is champion in HG/SS, then Ruby and Sapphire are in Gen 4, while Emerald goes with Gen 5.

The most important thing is that R/S/E seem to be close in timeline to gen 5 games. That supports theory R/S remakes will be done in gen 5.
Ruby and Sapphire could happen anytime before B2/W2 - it's not exactly said when Steven got replaced.

HyperXhydra July 5th, 2012 1:50 PM

B2W2 spoiler:

I can see Iris being the champion in B2W2 after she was Gym leader in BW is a hint for the Hoenn remake, Wallace was the last gym leader in RS then Champion in Emerald.

Fangking Omega July 5th, 2012 1:51 PM

I wouldn't be surprised to see the R/S/E remakes on 3DS - which would be fantastic - before Gen VI. Given the speed at which Gen V's "secret legendaries" have appeared I can't help but feel Gen VI will be out in a couple of years with the gap plugged by R/S/E remakes as the "trial" of Pokémon on the 3DS.

Fingers crossed.

rocky505 July 5th, 2012 5:40 PM

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Genesect has been "revealed" in the promo, so we now have an official acknowledgment of its existence. Plus, the Complete Pokedex due to be released soon will include Genesect, so it will no longer be a secret.

The folks at Bulbagarden pointed out that the star of the movies (like Keldeo) are revealed in February, meaning Genesect will not be the main focus of the movie. The hype for it will be lost with a full year to go before the movie is shown, so they will need something else to hype the movie later on. With no other Pokemon left in this generation, the option that makes the most sense is a totally new Pokemon. This would also fit the assumed time period if Game Freak is planning to announce Gen 6 next year, allowing for a potential fall 2013 release.
okay first when was it said genesect WOULD be in that dex book? Everywhere I've seen said it MIGHT be in it. Just because it says 1-649 doesn't 100% mean it will be in. Remember the type chart that said ghost no longer resist bug which was a mistake. Also they could do the same thing with genesect as they did with victini(who wasn't revealed in February and was the main Pokemon of M14). Why would it need to be a new Pokemon, a past one as just as much a chance. The only proof of genesect being revealed is the trailer(which is exactly how victini was revealed)

blue July 5th, 2012 6:53 PM

I think B2W2 are the last in the Pokemon series to be on the DS platform, if RS remakes are going to be released then I'd assume they started it along side Black & White 2 and are now focusing on the remakes on hand considering B2W2 have been released... if the remakes are on the 3DS they're going to be big! We've got all of 2013 to see what happens, let's hope for the best!

wombateiro July 6th, 2012 6:57 AM

Even if gen 6 Pokemon would appear in next movie, it doesn't have to mean gen 6 game and no R/S remakes in gen 5. Remember how Lucario appeared in movie NOT straight before D/P release.

Anyway, B2/W2 have so many resemblances to R/S/E style, it's vey likely R/S remakes will happen in gen 5. No matter if for DS or 3DS, they should happen in gen 5.

voicerocker July 6th, 2012 9:57 AM

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Actually there are rematches in B2/W2, but very limited. I think full-team rematches will be available in R/S remakes because I see this resemblance: in Platinum and B2/W2 you can re-battle Gym Leaders, but you can't choose which ones because they are randomly generated. They also don't use full team of six Pokemon. In HG/SS you can choose which Gym Leader you re-battle and they also have full teams of six Pokemon.

I think that the complete rematch system might be reserved for R/S remakes in gen 5, just like for HG/SS in gen 4. Imo in R/S remakes there might be something like World Conference - all Gym Leaders and Champions gather in one place just like Johto/Kanto Leaders in Fighting Dojo in HG/SS. Player would be able to choose which Gym Leader would be battled with. I wonder in what place in Hoenn it would happen.

Why is it necessary to battle every gym leader in a "full battle"? The lack of a feature does not mean they are saving it for another game. They don't have to keep using the same features over and over.

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If that idea would come true, I think only Steven would be present as former Champion in World Conference, just like only Alder is in World Tournament. Wallace would be staying in League, just like Iris in B2/W2. I think this could be reason why Hoenn and Unova are the only regions to have one Champion replacing previous one

Then why is Wallace in the Tournament? If the tournament is for former champions, Wallace is too. Technically, none of the characters in the World Tournament can be current champions.

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The most important thing is that R/S/E seem to be close in timeline to gen 5 games. That supports theory R/S remakes will be done in gen 5.
Ruby and Sapphire could happen anytime before B2/W2 - it's not exactly said when Steven got replaced.

But you just said Steven called himself champion in HG/SS, but saying Wallace is the champion in B2/W2. Ruby and Sapphire can't go with your theory of Wallace being champion because Steven is champion in those games. And again, Emerald is an alternate story, not a sequel. Emerald is not in the future, it is the same timeframe. Steven was not replaced as champion in Ruby and Sapphire.

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I wouldn't be surprised to see the R/S/E remakes on 3DS - which would be fantastic - before Gen VI. Given the speed at which Gen V's "secret legendaries" have appeared I can't help but feel Gen VI will be out in a couple of years with the gap plugged by R/S/E remakes as the "trial" of Pokémon on the 3DS.

I doubt remakes will be first on the 3DS because it would be incompatible with Gen 6 the minute it is released. There would be some kind of compatibility issue between the Gen 5 games and 3DS Hoenn games because of the different systems, and another one once new Pokemon, new moves, and abilities are introduced. And since remakes don't sell as well as a new generation, the best bet is to let Pokemon's move to the 3DS be something totally new, rather remakes. (While demand for remakes appears to be high, the people that hated Hoenn won't buy remakes at all.)

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okay first when was it said genesect WOULD be in that dex book? Everywhere I've seen said it MIGHT be in it. Just because it says 1-649 doesn't 100% mean it will be in.

Seeing as how they are calling it the Perfect/Complete Pokedex, I doubt they are going to leave 1 out. Plus, Genesect is no longer a secret known only through hacking. An official promo has shown it, meaning a proper reveal for the games should be coming soon. If they weren't planning on making it available soon, they would have waited to show it until next year as the big surprise.

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Why would it need to be a new Pokemon, a past one as just as much a chance. The only proof of genesect being revealed is the trailer(which is exactly how victini was revealed)

An old Pokemon won't attract attention like a brand new one. Even though Mew and Celebi got second movies, Lucario and Zorua and Zoroark were the stars.

Victini was not the only Pokemon to make its movie debut. Reshiram and Zekrom were also there. The difference is that Zoroark introduced Gen 5, not Victini. And unlike Victini or Keldeo, Genesect has no one left to star with. This is why a new Pokemon is more likely.

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Even if gen 6 Pokemon would appear in next movie, it doesn't have to mean gen 6 game and no R/S remakes in gen 5. Remember how Lucario appeared in movie NOT straight before D/P release.

But if no remakes are coming, a new Pokemon in the movie followed by Gen 6 next fall would work fine. And think about this: why are they rushing revealing all the event Pokemon? Meloetta and Keldeo were revealed pretty close together and now they've officially acknowledged Genesect. If Gen 5 was meant to last until 2014, they wouldn't be revealing all the event Pokemon so soon and so close together. It makes sense that they would be trying to wrap up this Gen as soon as possible if Gen 6 is to come next year. They could use the next movie as a way to end Gen 5 and start Gen 6 at the same time.

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Anyway, B2/W2 have so many resemblances to R/S/E style, it's vey likely R/S remakes will happen in gen 5. No matter if for DS or 3DS, they should happen in gen 5.

That goes along with the "hints", many of which were proven wrong, like the Dive Ball's function. To say remakes in Gen 5 are "likely to happen" or "should happen" is basically saying "they'll happen because that's the pattern". The pattern is broken, so that theory is gone. And expecting the DS to last us 2 more years is unreasonable. Plus, as much as we may not want to think about, Hoenn may not be remade. In terms of profit, it would be better to move on to the next generation since new games outsell remakes.

I also think there's a big assumption that EVERYONE wants Hoenn, which isn't true. And some people are only hoping to see Hoenn next just to keep the "remakes every Gen" thing going.

Now, Emerald and Gen 4 had a 2 year gap between 2004 and 2006. But, we got Gale of Darkness in 2005 to hold us over. If a Wii or WiiU title comes out next year, that would change things up. But to me, it appears Gen 5 is finished with no Gen 3 remakes.

wombateiro July 6th, 2012 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by voicerocker (Post 7241479)
Why is it necessary to battle every gym leader in a "full battle"? The lack of a feature does not mean they are saving it for another game. They don't have to keep using the same features over and over.

They don't have to, but they are constantly removing some features to bring them back again later. That feature could back in R/S remakes, the same like following Pokemon feature.


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Then why is Wallace in the Tournament? If the tournament is for former champions, Wallace is too. Technically, none of the characters in the World Tournament can be current champions.

But you just said Steven called himself champion in HG/SS, but saying Wallace is the champion in B2/W2. Ruby and Sapphire can't go with your theory of Wallace being champion because Steven is champion in those games. And again, Emerald is an alternate story, not a sequel. Emerald is not in the future, it is the same timeframe. Steven was not replaced as champion in Ruby and Sapphire.

I meant that Hoenn in remakes is capable of having World Conference because one former Champion Steven would be on Conference and current Champion Wallace in League, just like Alder and Iris in B2/W2.

I meant that Emerald is proven to have canon storyline, not R/S, because we have Steven and Wallace as Champions and Juan as Gym Leader in World Tournament. Seeing how Emerald is proven to be canon and appears to be in gen 5 timeline, R/S remakes (with Emerald's additions) should be in gen 5 too.

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I doubt remakes will be first on the 3DS because it would be incompatible with Gen 6 the minute it is released. There would be some kind of compatibility issue between the Gen 5 games and 3DS Hoenn games because of the different systems, and another one once new Pokemon, new moves, and abilities are introduced. And since remakes don't sell as well as a new generation, the best bet is to let Pokemon's move to the 3DS be something totally new, rather remakes. (While demand for remakes appears to be high, the people that hated Hoenn won't buy remakes at all.)

There is no problem with that. R/S remakes on 3DS could simply belong to gen 5 if they don't add any new Pokemon, abilities, etc. Those things would be added in gen 6 game. It would be exactly the same like both gen 4 and 5 share platform but are divided by additions of new graphic engine, Pokemon and other things.
Selling is not problem either. What's the problem of starting 3DS with remakes, if gen 6 would be released anyway? All of those games would be selling well because all main Pokemon games are being sold in millions.


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Victini was not the only Pokemon to make its movie debut. Reshiram and Zekrom were also there. The difference is that Zoroark introduced Gen 5, not Victini. And unlike Victini or Keldeo, Genesect has no one left to star with. This is why a new Pokemon is more likely.

Thing is that Victini got revealed year before it's own movie, just like Genesect now. Zekrom and Reshiram were also already known year before Victini movie. New forms of Kami Trio could be featured in Genesect movie. Gen 6 is not certain to happen in next year, therefore R/S remakes are still likely to happen. I think they could also add some random Hoenn Pokemon in Genesect movie to promote remakes, just like they featured Johto starters in Arceus movie.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 6th, 2012 2:15 PM

^And Notch ear Pichu too.

Though this whole Emerald is canon thing is set in stone as the WT itself might not be canon post game plus Steven references the player in HgSs... unless there's two alternate canons like in BW (where there's the N got Reshiram in White vs. N got Zekrom in White)...

Either way I agree that having gen VI pokémon doesn't disprove remakes being in this generation, Munchlax itself was shown in Destiny Deoxys sometime before Emerald came out.

wombateiro July 7th, 2012 2:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7241798)
Though this whole Emerald is canon thing is set in stone as the WT itself might not be canon post game plus Steven references the player in HgSs... unless there's two alternate canons like in BW (where there's the N got Reshiram in White vs. N got Zekrom in White)...

You mean that Steven references R/S/E player? It's doubtful because he says about trainers (not one trainer) who gave him tough battles. And he definitely says nothing about being beaten.

I think that R/S remakes will have basically Emerald storyline with Groudon/Kyogre encounter, much like HG/SS are made, because third games events are always canon. Characters from WT prove that. And WT is canon itself because Koga is not present as Elite Four members can't go to WT.

Xander Olivieri July 7th, 2012 6:27 AM

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You mean that Steven references R/S/E player? It's doubtful because he says about trainers (not one trainer) who gave him tough battles. And he definitely says nothing about being beaten.

I think that R/S remakes will have basically Emerald storyline with Groudon/Kyogre encounter, much like HG/SS are made, because third games events are always canon. Characters from WT prove that. And WT is canon itself because Koga is not present as Elite Four members can't go to WT.

No actually all third games aren't canon and WT isn't Canon outside of existing. Giovanni isn't a Gym Leader anymore and is so in the Kanto League portion, thus proving it isn't Canon. We all know that the only way you could have encountered Giovanni was through the Celebi event.

Yellow's events are also not within the FR/LG remakes so Third games aren't all Canon. So far only 2 have shown to be canon and only 1 through Remakes as a Minor Side story. So if we go that route, Rayquaza's use would be a Minor Side Story just like Suicune's which was just a random add in and nothing more.

If they remake the games they are going to be true to the original titles, so if they remake Ruby and Sapphire, we are going to get Ruby and Sapphire. Odds of the opposite Legend appearing are fairly low unless they show up once as an off screen occurrence (Aqua/Magma awakens Kyogre/Groudon without your meddling cause you are too busy trying to stop the other team) and Rayquaza shows up to stop the fight on its own. After that you wouldn't be able to fins Kyogre if you are playing the Ruby Remake or Groudon if you are playing the Sapphire Remake.

And yes Steven was referencing the Main Characters. He said a couple of trainers that looked a like like all Main Characters within the same games do. The only MC's to be given actual names was Red. All the others when referenced are known as "A trainer" or "the Trainers".

Twilight-kun July 7th, 2012 7:03 AM

I think you'll be able to catch both legendary pokemon, since in HG/SS you could capture one during the main game and the other post-game, unlike in the original gold and silver

probably have Terra and Marine caves in their respective games while Rayquaza sleeps on Sky Pillar

I hope we'll be able to re-battle Steven (If he's not Champion) ala Red in HG/SS and the Elite Four's Pokemon get a level boost post-game like most Gen IV/V games

BW2 spoiler
Spoiler:
It look like we can only battle Alder once(?) in BW2 outside of the WT

rocky505 July 7th, 2012 9:45 AM

You could get both lugia and ho-oh in gsc Twilight.

wombateiro July 7th, 2012 10:06 AM

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Yellow's events are also not within the FR/LG remakes so Third games aren't all Canon. So far only 2 have shown to be canon and only 1 through Remakes as a Minor Side story. So if we go that route, Rayquaza's use would be a Minor Side Story just like Suicune's which was just a random add in and nothing more.

To begin with, Yellow is special version, not third version. Japanese Blue is third version, so your argument is invalid. I think R/S remakes will have storyline from Emerald with addition of Groudon/Kyogre encounter before League, much like HG/SS were developed - storyline from canon third version, with mascot encounter added depending of your version.

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If they remake the games they are going to be true to the original titles, so if they remake Ruby and Sapphire, we are going to get Ruby and Sapphire. Odds of the opposite Legend appearing are fairly low unless they show up once as an off screen occurrence (Aqua/Magma awakens Kyogre/Groudon without your meddling cause you are too busy trying to stop the other team) and Rayquaza shows up to stop the fight on its own. After that you wouldn't be able to fins Kyogre if you are playing the Ruby Remake or Groudon if you are playing the Sapphire Remake.

What you are saying now is denying to itself, because it looks more like edited Emerald's storyline, rather than original storylines from R/S. That storyline you suggested is not bad at all, but don't say it's original R/S because it's not true - both teams awakening their legendaries is something from Emerald, not from R/S.

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No actually all third games aren't canon and WT isn't Canon outside of existing. Giovanni isn't a Gym Leader anymore and is so in the Kanto League portion, thus proving it isn't Canon. We all know that the only way you could have encountered Giovanni was through the Celebi event.

Giovanni appears as former Gym Leader, the same like Gary as former Champion. Koga doesn't appear because Elite Four members can't appear at WT. If it wasn't canon, Koga would appear as well. WT fits with Emerald being canon and having R/S remakes in gen 5.

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And yes Steven was referencing the Main Characters. He said a couple of trainers that looked a like like all Main Characters within the same games do. The only MC's to be given actual names was Red. All the others when referenced are known as "A trainer" or "the Trainers".

Aha, so every time someone says "Trainer" it has to mean main character?
If he would be referring to main character from R/S/E he would say ONE Trainer, much like Cynthia says about that Pokemon trainer who encountered Giratina. I'm not going to reply about this because we're polluting this thread again.

Twilight-kun July 7th, 2012 10:35 AM

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You could get both lugia and ho-oh in gsc Twilight.

you could get a Silver Wing in Gold Version?
you could get a Rainbow Wing in Silver Version?

(I only played Crystal)

Xander Olivieri July 7th, 2012 1:00 PM

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7242939)
To begin with, Yellow is special version, not third version. Japanese Blue is third version, so your argument is invalid. I think R/S remakes will have storyline from Emerald with addition of Groudon/Kyogre encounter before League, much like HG/SS were developed - storyline from canon third version, with mascot encounter added depending of your version.



What you are saying now is denying to itself, because it looks more like edited Emerald's storyline, rather than original storylines from R/S. That storyline you suggested is not bad at all, but don't say it's original R/S because it's not true - both teams awakening their legendaries is something from Emerald, not from R/S.



Giovanni appears as former Gym Leader, the same like Gary as former Champion. Koga doesn't appear because Elite Four members can't appear at WT. If it wasn't canon, Koga would appear as well. WT fits with Emerald being canon and having R/S remakes in gen 5.



Aha, so every time someone says "Trainer" it has to mean main character?
If he would be referring to main character from R/S/E he would say ONE Trainer, much like Cynthia says about that Pokemon trainer who encountered Giratina. I'm not going to reply about this because we're polluting this thread again.

Yellow is still classified as a third version internationally so your argument is invalid. Now please learn to read cause no its not an edited version of emearld. The only way emerald's little story addition with rayquaza could be done is at one of the few later points in the story when the opposing team isn't present the other team could awaken the opposite legend which will only appear for a short instance for the rayquaza cinematic. Otherwise they'll keep kyogre/groudon to their respective game placement. Even in HG/SS ho-oh and lugia wrte caught in the same place after the same events.

And no, even for it to have giovanni as an ex gymleader he still could not be there because he was in hiding. He would notbe there if it were canon, not to mention cilan, cress, chili, lenora, and brycen who are not even needed in the unova league's lime up are still there as gymleaders making unova's gym count 11 with 13 leaders. They could have added koga if they wanted like giovanni, they simply chose not to. PWT isn't canon and doesn't hold any support to rumors.

And yes even in b2w2 until you use memory link all references to hilbert/hilda are said as "the trainer(s)". Steven's reference in HG/SS were about brendan/may. Even cynthia's reference is amberdextrous enough to reference both dawn/lucas. They would not be programmed to say those things if not immediate References to the older games.

PWT isn't credible reference for remake hints nor credible to current canon. Odds are the remakes will stick to ruby/sapphire's main story like the others did. There are only two points that the story can diverge from main plot to allow for rayquaza and opposite legend to appear. Off screen awakening of opposite, or after story event where you get to awaken the opposite legend yourself. Though last is less likely as they are pretty much going to keep the box legends exclusive likein the originals. Remaking emerald isn't likely either due to loss of sales, they'd make more with two games, we all know this, than they would with one remake.

Still only credible references we have for remakes are steven's unneeded appearence in hg/ss and the new caves in b2w2. Sad to say that the most credible reference was in gen 4 which almost discredits it. Those are so far the only irrefutable references we have. Not much to say which system it'll be on. Still since the dsi is gunna be discontinued, good chance that it'll be for the 3ds. I still support gen 6 cause it doesn't make sense for two main games to be on two seperate main systems.

Twilight-kun July 7th, 2012 1:08 PM

Giovanni wasn't in hiding, he was training

"There is nothing I wish to say to you.
I will concentrate solely on bettering myself, and none other."
"Having lost, I cannot face my underlings! Team Rocket is finished forever! I will dedicate my life to the study of Pokémon. Let us meet again someday! Farewell!"

Archer:
"Oh? You managed to get this far...? You must be quite the Trainer. We intend to take over this Radio Tower and officially announce our comeback. That should bring our boss Giovanni back from his solitary training. We are going to regain our former glory... I will not allow you to interfere with our meticulous plans!"

wonder if they'll have w WT in the remakes or not

rocky505 July 7th, 2012 1:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight-kun (Post 7242956)
you could get a Silver Wing in Gold Version?
you could get a Rainbow Wing in Silver Version?

(I only played Crystal)

Silver wing was in pewter in gold and crystal.
Rainbow Wong was in pewter in silver
Rainbow wing was given to you by capturing entei, raikou and suicune in crystal after talking to eusine in celedon.

wombateiro July 7th, 2012 2:43 PM

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wonder if they'll have w WT in the remakes or not

There might be World Conference in remakes - place where you could choose which Gym Leader or Champion you battle and all battles would be with six Pokemon, not only three like in WT. Steven could be battled in this (Wallace would stay at League).

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Yellow is still classified as a third version internationally so your argument is invalid. Now please learn to read cause no its not an edited version of emearld. The only way emerald's little story addition with rayquaza could be done is at one of the few later points in the story when the opposing team isn't present the other team could awaken the opposite legend which will only appear for a short instance for the rayquaza cinematic. Otherwise they'll keep kyogre/groudon to their respective game placement. Even in HG/SS ho-oh and lugia wrte caught in the same place after the same events.

And no, even for it to have giovanni as an ex gymleader he still could not be there because he was in hiding. He would notbe there if it were canon, not to mention cilan, cress, chili, lenora, and brycen who are not even needed in the unova league's lime up are still there as gymleaders making unova's gym count 11 with 13 leaders. They could have added koga if they wanted like giovanni, they simply chose not to. PWT isn't canon and doesn't hold any support to rumors.

Yellow is not third version. International classification means nothing, only Japanese one is correct. That's why they remade Japanese Red/Green, not international Red/Blue.

If you want to keep original R/S storyline in remakes, both legendaries can't be awaken because one of the teams in not evil. The storyline you suggested is closer to Emerald, rather than to R/S, because of having both teams doing evil work. However I'm not saying it's bad plot because it's alright.

Still, WT is imo canon because all trainers who were free to participate, are there. Giovanni wasn't hiding. Koga couldn't participate because of being Elite Four member. There is nothing conflicting with canon.

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And yes even in b2w2 until you use memory link all references to hilbert/hilda are said as "the trainer(s)". Steven's reference in HG/SS were about brendan/may. Even cynthia's reference is amberdextrous enough to reference both dawn/lucas. They would not be programmed to say those things if not immediate References to the older games.

I'm saying it for the last time - ONE trainer can be referred as protagonist of each generation. Steven doesn't say about that one special trainer from R/S/E. He says about group of random trainers he battled with.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 7th, 2012 3:03 PM

There is another scenerio that could still make Emerald Canon but wouldn't necessary make Hoenn take place after HgSS' time. Remember we can fight Steven post game in Emerald, he could've been refering to that (though he also called himself champion...) while Wallace was still champ. Both sets of remakes only made things harder to decipher for RS' remakes and it's own timeline (though I think it's somewhere between FrLG's time and HgSs').

Twilight-kun July 7th, 2012 3:09 PM

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There is another scenerio that could still make Emerald Canon but wouldn't necessary make Hoenn take place after HgSS' time. Remember we can fight Steven post game in Emerald, he could've been refering to that (though he also called himself champion...) while Wallace was still champ. Both sets of remakes only made things harder to decipher for RS' remakes and it's own timeline (though I think it's somewhere between FrLG's time and HgSs').

and the whole "Sootopolis Space center" typo

that's a biggie

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 7th, 2012 3:16 PM

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and the whole "Sootopolis Space center" typo

that's a biggie

Right there is a possibility it's a typo too. I was about to say in my other post that someone should check the original japanese to see what it says (sometimes their's translation errors).

So far the Hoenn Elite four are the only one's who lack VS. sprites along with it's Frontier Brains.

Xander Olivieri July 7th, 2012 3:17 PM

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7243176)
Yellow is not third version. International classification means nothing, only Japanese one is correct. That's why they remade Japanese Red/Green, not international Red/Blue.


Still, WT is imo canon because all trainers who were free to participate, are there. Giovanni wasn't hiding. Koga couldn't participate because of being Elite Four member. There is nothing conflicting with canon.

For Yellow, still not true. Yellow is recognized as a third game title because it is only #4 in Japan and origin doesn't mean anything especially where this is concerned. They could have still made many Yellow References even being a "Special Version", especially since all third versions are "Special Versions". Each Third adds to or slightly changes the main story making it a Special rendition. Emerald would also be like this as Juan was highlighted as a Gym Leader in the Anime so Emerald would be the Anime Special for the Hoenn Series games.

Yes international still counts.

As for Giovanni and the PWT, no he wasn't "Free" nor are Cilan, Cress, Lenora, Chili, and Brycen still Gym Leaders so again, they were just added in when they didn't need to be there. Same can be said for Red who isn't Champion cause he either replaces Blue making Blue take over Giovanni's Gym as he should be, or Red is replaced by Lance as he is in G/S/C/HG/SS.

They were simply chosen to be added in. So the PWT isn't Canon nor credible since its supposed to have downloadable updates if that early rumor holds true.

As for Steven's reference, he makes a dual reference because it is the first real game where both Protags appear in the game regardless of Gender chosen. Cynthia makes an identical statement in B/W. The only difference she says it in singular, but they are both the only two to reference previous Main Characters. Since Steven was the first his reference was doubled because they didn't want to insult people. Cynthia was a more vague but equally open statement that says one but referencing both characters still. They even say the same thing as a description.

Steven also does not say group. He said the ones that gave him tough battles and Canon wise that has only ever been the PC. Since unlike Lance and Cynthia, Steven isn't shown battling against the Evil teams.

Don't know why you are arguing against one of the only Valid points to a remake when you so heavily support remakes.

As for PWT in the remakes I doubt it. I see those as B2W2 only as we'd get the Battle Frontier back along with Contests to replace the Musicals, Pokestar Studioes, Black Tower/White tree, PWT and Battle Subway.

And only reason I'm trying to add Rayquaza and the other in is because everyone else seemed against the thought of Sapphire only story and Ruby only story, but since you are arguing the credentials against those I guess you are going back on your earlier speculations as well, meaning you support the Sapphire Story/Ruby Story only remakes with no Emerald additions.

Those are really the only points that the stories could do references to one another while incorporating Emerald's little tidbit without becoming 2 flat Emerald Remakes with Exclusive Pokemon which makes no sense for them to do, and even less sense for them to make 1 with a fifth of the Hoenn Pokemon missing like they would in Emerald.



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Right there is a possibility it's a typo too. I was about to say in my other post that someone should check the original japanese to see what it says (sometimes their's translation errors).

So far the Hoenn Elite four are the only one's who lack VS. sprites along with it's Frontier Brains.

Hoenn Gym Leaders, Opposite PC, and Wally have VS Sprites?

Twilight-kun July 7th, 2012 3:25 PM

I've only ever seen fan-made VS Sprites
http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/148/d/b/db14f7cb411741f2613e2ac7a828b608.pnghttp://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/146/e/6/e68171c29f1720048cf1baa285d91133.pnghttp://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/146/2/2/VS_Trainer_May_Portrait_by_DarkLordGanondorf.pnghttp://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/135/1/a/vs_pokemon_trainer_red_by_xeon_licrate-d3gg314.pnghttp://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/243/5/c/vs_trainer_leaf_by_darklordganondorf-d2xqjvf.pnghttp://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/215/d/3/steven_sprite_by_shadow_chaos00-d31j5y8.png

Xander Olivieri July 7th, 2012 3:32 PM

You got my hopes up that there were more sprites in B2W2. I was hopin for more Hoenn Trainer sprites. Speaking of, god I hope some of the sprites revert back to how they were cause some of the updated ones are ugly. Beauty looks like something out of Lady Gaga Musical, not to hate on her, but some of her clothes in her videos are a little WHAT THE EFF?! Not as bad as some of Madonna's but still. Future Pop Culture look from the 70s is still horrid.

Other than that there are a few other minor sprites I hope revert. Don't remember if Tubers appeared in any other game either.

Twilight-kun July 7th, 2012 3:35 PM

yeah, sucks that the WT only uses blown up sprites instead of vs faces, even for leaders that have them

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 7th, 2012 4:11 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7243219)
For Yellow, still not true. Yellow is recognized as a third game title because it is only #4 in Japan and origin doesn't mean anything especially where this is concerned. They could have still made many Yellow References even being a "Special Version", especially since all third versions are "Special Versions". Each Third adds to or slightly changes the main story making it a Special rendition. Emerald would also be like this as Juan was highlighted as a Gym Leader in the Anime so Emerald would be the Anime Special for the Hoenn Series games.

Yes international still counts.

As for Giovanni and the PWT, no he wasn't "Free" nor are Cilan, Cress, Lenora, Chili, and Brycen still Gym Leaders so again, they were just added in when they didn't need to be there. Same can be said for Red who isn't Champion cause he either replaces Blue making Blue take over Giovanni's Gym as he should be, or Red is replaced by Lance as he is in G/S/C/HG/SS.

They were simply chosen to be added in. So the PWT isn't Canon nor credible since its supposed to have downloadable updates if that early rumor holds true.

As for Steven's reference, he makes a dual reference because it is the first real game where both Protags appear in the game regardless of Gender chosen. Cynthia makes an identical statement in B/W. The only difference she says it in singular, but they are both the only two to reference previous Main Characters. Since Steven was the first his reference was doubled because they didn't want to insult people. Cynthia was a more vague but equally open statement that says one but referencing both characters still. They even say the same thing as a description.

Steven also does not say group. He said the ones that gave him tough battles and Canon wise that has only ever been the PC. Since unlike Lance and Cynthia, Steven isn't shown battling against the Evil teams.

Don't know why you are arguing against one of the only Valid points to a remake when you so heavily support remakes.

As for PWT in the remakes I doubt it. I see those as B2W2 only as we'd get the Battle Frontier back along with Contests to replace the Musicals, Pokestar Studioes, Black Tower/White tree, PWT and Battle Subway.

And only reason I'm trying to add Rayquaza and the other in is because everyone else seemed against the thought of Sapphire only story and Ruby only story, but since you are arguing the credentials against those I guess you are going back on your earlier speculations as well, meaning you support the Sapphire Story/Ruby Story only remakes with no Emerald additions.

Those are really the only points that the stories could do references to one another while incorporating Emerald's little tidbit without becoming 2 flat Emerald Remakes with Exclusive Pokemon which makes no sense for them to do, and even less sense for them to make 1 with a fifth of the Hoenn Pokemon missing like they would in Emerald.





Hoenn Gym Leaders, Opposite PC, and Wally have VS Sprites?

Sorry I thought that the Hoenn gym leaders had VS Sprites. As for the others...I forgot about them okay :P

As for the remakes. When you think about it FrLG, HgSs have been pretty flat remakes themselves...heck DP and BW are too with nothing really special contrasting them but version exclusives and in the case of BW two different cities and in B2W2's case a different cave... Most Duel version have been except for Ruby and Sapphire which had the most differences imo.
I would like them to focus mostly on the main legends' team but still show the other evil team doing evil stuff as well just not being as focused as much that way there can be the best of both RS and Emerald.

Xander Olivieri July 7th, 2012 4:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7243267)

Sorry I thought that the Hoenn gym leaders had VS Sprites. As for the others...I forgot about them okay :P

As for the remakes. When you think about it FrLG, HgSs have been pretty flat remakes themselves...heck DP and BW are too with nothing really special contrasting them but version exclusives and in the case of BW two different cities and in B2W2's case a different cave... Most Duel version have been except for Ruby and Sapphire which had the most differences imo.
I would like them to focus mostly on the main legends' team but still show the other evil team doing evil stuff as well just not being as focused as much that way there can be the best of both RS and Emerald.

Kinda why I started saying the opposite team would still awaken their legend offscreen to bring about the Rayquaza event, and the opposite Legend then disappears.
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Like how Black Zekrom appears in Pokemon Black with N and isn't catchable along with how you aren't allowed to catch Black Kyurem the first go through and can't catch it until after the main story.
They can use those two instances from the B/W series games to keep us from getting the opposite legend while still allowing us Pokedex screen caping it for GTS Trades like they've done since D/P/Pt when they changed the Dex to record how many Pokemon you've seen rather than just catch.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 7th, 2012 8:36 PM

Oh but I meant still catching the other legendary post game. BW was unique in which a key trainer character caught the other legendary. So unless someone catches Kyogre or Groudon they'll have to be caught, having the opposite legend appearing and leaving without being seen again would be lame...

voicerocker July 7th, 2012 9:28 PM

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7241616)
They don't have to, but they are constantly removing some features to bring them back again later. That feature could back in R/S remakes, the same like following Pokemon feature.

But that still doesn't mean it's definitely being saved for another game. And with all the other characters available for battles post-game like Alder, Cynthia, Cheren, Bianca, N, Banjiro, and the Game Freak guys around, facing the Gym Leaders doesn't seem so important.

I also doubt Pokemon following will be back. It was a neat little feature, but ultimately useless and pointless. All it really did was show our Pokemon and pick up a few items. Not really a feature worth an "IT'S BACK!!!" kind of treatment.

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7241616)
I meant that Emerald is proven to have canon storyline, not R/S, because we have Steven and Wallace as Champions and Juan as Gym Leader in World Tournament. Seeing how Emerald is proven to be canon and appears to be in gen 5 timeline, R/S remakes (with Emerald's additions) should be in gen 5 too.

If RSE remakes will happen in Gen 5 because it's in the same timeline, what about FireRed and LeafGreen? They occured in RSE timeline as well by that theory, meaning Koga should be a Gym Leader still and Lance should be part of the Elite 4. With Koga absent and Janine present as well as Lance being in the Champions Tournament in B2/W2, that blows the hole timeline theory to pieces.

But to be honest, I don't believe there is a solid 100% accurate timeline to all the games outside of the openly known ones.

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There is no problem with that. R/S remakes on 3DS could simply belong to gen 5 if they don't add any new Pokemon, abilities, etc. Those things would be added in gen 6 game. It would be exactly the same like both gen 4 and 5 share platform but are divided by additions of new graphic engine, Pokemon and other things.

That would be like having a new generation happen in 2013 with RSE remakes and then again in 2014 for Gen 6. That's a lot of compatibility issues to think about. Remakes wouldn't be fully compatible with either the other Gen 5 games or Gen 6 once new Pokemon and moves are introduced. It would be stuck in between the two generations, like a Gen 5.5 all by itself.

It would be a better idea for the remakes to be compatible in the way the previous ones were with their generation's games.

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Selling is not problem either. What's the problem of starting 3DS with remakes, if gen 6 would be released anyway? All of those games would be selling well because all main Pokemon games are being sold in millions.

Here's some numbers to look at (valid as of March 2011):

Diamond & Pearl - 17.39 million
Ruby & Sapphire - 13.00 million
Black & White - 12.87 million
HeartGold & SoulSilver - 11.90 million
FireRed & LeafGreen - 11.82 million
Platinum - 07.06 million
Emerald - 06.32 million

Notice that R/S beat out even HG/SS, despite all the hype that those remakes brought. They didn't sell much better than FR/LG did. Plus, if you add Platinum and Emerald to the respectful counterparts, it just furthers the gap. (Note: This was only 6 months after Black and White's release, so they haven't quite had time to make an impact, but they still already beat HG/SS)

Business-wise, it would be a smart thing based on these figures to just skip remakes. Yes, they sold 11 million each, but after 2 similar results, one would assume a similar outcome would occur. And like I noted earlier, after only 6 months, Black and White surpassed HG/SS, which have been available for a year longer than B/W have been. Also, these numbers were calculated only 5 days after the North American release of B/W, so just imagine what the overall sales results are now! (I couldn't find one more recent that March 2011)

Yes, it would be cheaper to produce if they just use the DS system, but many people have finally started to accept that it's once again time for gaming evolution to take place. The DS is done, and as was pointed out several times, it was odd that Gen V was kept on the DS, so the longer they delay the jump to the 3DS, they're only hurting themselves, especially since the 3DS's first upgrade is already coming soon.

If I wanted to make maximum profit, I'd go for the stuff that sells the best. That's just plain old business sense.

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Thing is that Victini got revealed year before it's own movie, just like Genesect now. Zekrom and Reshiram were also already known year before Victini movie. New forms of Kami Trio could be featured in Genesect movie. Gen 6 is not certain to happen in next year, therefore R/S remakes are still likely to happen. I think they could also add some random Hoenn Pokemon in Genesect movie to promote remakes, just like they featured Johto starters in Arceus movie.

Victini had totally different treatment than any other Pokemon or movie.

July 24, 2010 - Victini revealed
December 17, 2010 - Victini/Zekrom movie announced
February 2011 - Reshiram confirmed for Zekrom movie/dual movie revealed
July 16, 2011 - Victini/Zekrom/Reshiram movie premieres

1. Victini was not the sole star of these movies, Zekrom and Reshiram were both equally important.
2. First time ever, we get dual movies to go along with the Black and White theme.
3. Victini was far from the last Pokemon to be revealed in Gen V.

Now, look at these dates:

December 2007 - Giratina/Shaymin movie announced (Giratina confirmed, Shaymin only hinted at)
February 2008 - Shaymin revealed
February 2008 - Giratina Origin Forme & Shaymin Sky Forme revealed
July 19, 2008 - Giratina/Shaymin movie premieres
September 13, 2008 - Pokemon Platinum released
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December 2008 - Arceus movie announced (only Dialga, Palkia and Giratina confirmed to appear)
December 2008 - Spiky eared Pichu revealed
February 14, 2009 - Arceus revealed
May 2009 - Pokemon HeartGold & SoulSilver announced
July 18, 2009 - Arceus movie premieres
September 12, 2009 - Pokemon HeartGold & SoulSilver released
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December 2009 - Zoroark movie announced (Only Celebi and Johto Beasts confirmed)
February 10, 2010 - Zoroark revealed
April 9, 2010 - Pokemon Black & White announced
July 10, 2010 - Zoroark movie premieres
September 18, 2010 - Pokemon Black & White released
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December 2011 - Kyurem/Keldeo movie announced (only Kyurem and the Swordsmen confirmed)
February 15, 2012 - Keldeo revealed
February 26, 2012 - Pokemon Black 2 & White 2 announced
February 26, 2012 - Black Kyurem & White Kyurem revealed
March 1, 2012 - Meloetta revealed
May 12, 2012 - Kami trio Therian Formes revealed
June 13, 2012 - Keldeo Resolution Form revealed
June 23, 2012 - Pokemon Black 2 & White 2 released
July 1, 2012 - Genesect shown in promo for 2013 movie
July 14, 2012 - Kyurem/Keldeo movie to premiere

See the pattern? Usually, movie details come out in December, a Pokemon or forme that is to star in the next movie is revealed in February, and then movie premieres in July, followed by a September game release of some kind. With Genesect already being shown, what is there left to reveal next February? Nothing but a new Pokemon. The Kami trio Therian formes I believe have been confirmed for Best Wishes 2, so they'll have their time in the series.

As for Gen 4 reveals, Munchlax was revealed first in 2004 with D/P announced later that year, however the games wouldn't come out for 2 more years, which is probably why they just slowly revealed more Pokemon until the games were finished. We also got XD: Gale of Darkness in 2005. Still, if remakes were coming, a Gen 3 Pokemon should have been revealed for the 2013 movie first, with Genesect being saved for the February news as it is still a new unrevealed Pokemon. It's not impossible that they'll use an old Pokemon as the star, but it's highly unlikely.

My prediction (at least for now) is:
Sometime in the future - Genesect reveal and event announced
December 2012 - Genesect movie announced (Will confirm Genesect to appear)
February 2013 - New Pokemon revealed (will debut in Genesect movie)
March-May 2013 - Gen 6 announced
July 2013 - Genesect movie premieres
September 2013 - Gen 6 released

rocky505 July 7th, 2012 9:44 PM

Voice the Rse=rgby/frlg timeline is only fan speculation. Nothing confirms they happen simultaneously.

Twilight-kun July 7th, 2012 9:50 PM

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From the Wiki
Gen I/III
The storyline of the Kanto region is contemporaneous with the Hoenn story of Generation III, as revealed by details in both the Hoenn-based games as well as the later remakes of Generation I. The storylines of the Generation II and Generation IV games occur three years after this generation, with details about this link explicitly noted throughout the Johto-based games

Gen II/IV
Details in the games indicate that the story line of the Generation II games occurs three years after the one in Generation I and Generation III, while the story line of the Sinnoh-based Generation IV games indicate that they occur similarly contemporaneously to Generation II as Generation I does to Generation III

Gen V
Generation V occurs an unknown amount of time after Generation II and Generation IV. The Team Rocket Grunt who stole the Machine Part makes a cameo appearance, saying that while he had intended to revive Team Rocket upon returning home, he instead fell in love and had a son. Cynthia mentions visiting the Distortion World and being defeated by a young Trainer as Sinnoh League Champion


don't care what you say about the wiki, but it's simpler this way

rocky505 July 7th, 2012 9:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight-kun (Post 7243534)

don't care what you say about the wiki, but it's simpler this way

Like i said fan speculation. All it says is they know from in game details. What details?! So what if the Celio event mentions connecting with the hoenn pc girl. That doesn't really prove that it does. Bw and b2w2 have proved that we can trade without time machines. Who knows RsE could take place along with bw. There was a plasma grunt that mentioned Team Rocket and Galactic but said nothing about Aqua or Magma.

Xander Olivieri July 7th, 2012 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 7243539)
Like i said fan speculation. All it says is they know from in game details. What details?! So what if the Celio event mentions connecting with the hoenn pc girl. That doesn't really prove that it does. Bw and b2w2 have proved that we can trade without time machines. Who knows RsE could take place along with bw. There was a plasma grunt that mentioned Team Rocket and Galactic but said nothing about Aqua or Magma.

There are references from both Lanette and Bill linking the two together also with the Pokemon Box Ruby/Sapphire where they introduce Lanette's Sister, the third member that created the original storage box. Both were said to be created at the same time. Lanette finished updating her box before Bill and with Bill's help updated it further between FR/LG and Emerald.

HG/SS Steven appears and introduces himself as the Champion of Hoenn and makes a vague reference to the PCs from the R/S games.

Those are the only major connections between the games both made/planted by Gamefreak themselves. Its not as much Fan Speculation is as the support against the current placement which is more speculation with lack of proof than the support for the current placement.

The current timeline created is facts from the games used to piece together the timeline, and based on game data, they is nothing to support that Hoenn isn't at the same time as R/B/Y/FR/LG.

Depending on what they do with Generation 6, this could upset the current time line so unless it happens in the past around the time of R/B/Y/FR/LG/R/S/E the remakes would most likely be past references and get no references to the newer generations outside of "Far Away Regions"

C Payne July 8th, 2012 3:57 AM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7243600)
There are references from both Lanette and Bill linking the two together also with the Pokemon Box Ruby/Sapphire where they introduce Lanette's Sister, the third member that created the original storage box. Both were said to be created at the same time. Lanette finished updating her box before Bill and with Bill's help updated it further between FR/LG and Emerald.

HG/SS Steven appears and introduces himself as the Champion of Hoenn and makes a vague reference to the PCs from the R/S games.

Those are the only major connections between the games both made/planted by Gamefreak themselves. Its not as much Fan Speculation is as the support against the current placement which is more speculation with lack of proof than the support for the current placement.

The current timeline created is facts from the games used to piece together the timeline, and based on game data, they is nothing to support that Hoenn isn't at the same time as R/B/Y/FR/LG.

That first one is still nothing solid to support it either. Nothing major shows up in either game about the other.

If Lanette and Bill are indeed co-workers, they more than likely worked on the project for some time; that doesn't have much to do with the actual main events of the Gens themselves. I'm not saying that they are only used for being able to cross-region trade, but that they aren't anything that should constitute as solid obviously. They only really prove that the 2 regions can communicate fully, at least sometime near the end of Gen I's events. (Trading compatibility should be the least proof anyways, as there are already impossible ways to trade; Ex: being able to trade Pokes back to I from II under certain conditions)

As for Steven's vague reference, that only really shows that Gen III probably occurs before VI and II, like how Ranger slightly hints at that. Remember, we have nothing solid for it happening at the exact same time as Gen I, so that still leaves the 3 year gap between I and VI/II available as a possibility as well. The odd thing is how Steven messes with our minds by refering to himself being Champion during HGSS.

When are we going to get off this timeline subject though? Have tried to not get involved in it, but it seems to be unavoidable. Despite that, it doesn't really have anything to do with the actual thread topic.




Trying to get back on topic...does anyone think Secret Bases will have more function than just decorating/battling said friend every so often?

blue July 8th, 2012 5:40 AM

I can imagine they could expand on the Secret Base feature, it was kind of limited back in the day but now with all the Wi-Fi & Dream World features I'm sure they can make something good of it.

Twilight-kun July 8th, 2012 6:01 AM

wouldn't surprise me if they replace it with something very similar to the Underground, and being able to buy decorations with spheres

C Payne July 8th, 2012 10:54 AM

I'm not saying the Underground is bad, as it was fun in it's own right, but I think the original secret bases work much better in this case. Rather than just running through some underground cave system, it felt much better to explore the different kinds of bases that you could make from different things; that felt much more suited for an area like Hoenn.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 8th, 2012 1:16 PM

I would like the original secret bases to reappear. Perhaps we can use pass orbs rather than sphere's to buy stuff for them.
Speaking of which do you think the remakes will have high link? and how will we gain access to the dream world...unless they save that post game and give us mostly hollows to find DW pokémon.
I hope they allow us to explore the "island" around Pacifidlog.

wombateiro July 8th, 2012 1:35 PM

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Originally Posted by voicerocker (Post 7243521)
But that still doesn't mean it's definitely being saved for another game. And with all the other characters available for battles post-game like Alder, Cynthia, Cheren, Bianca, N, Banjiro, and the Game Freak guys around, facing the Gym Leaders doesn't seem so important.

I also doubt Pokemon following will be back. It was a neat little feature, but ultimately useless and pointless. All it really did was show our Pokemon and pick up a few items. Not really a feature worth an "IT'S BACK!!!" kind of treatment.

"Pointless" features are needed to make games more unique. There's many features in every game which could be deleted, but why? For example, they made sprite animations for all trainers in B2/W2. It's pointless, but who cares? It's standard of gaming development to keep removing and bringing back features to keep people interested in games.

They brought back limited rematches with Gym Leaders in B2/W2, kinda like in Platinum. I expect them to bring back unlimited rematches in R/S remakes, just like in HG/SS. Hidden Hollows in B2/W2 are technically brought back Secret Bases without customizations. R/S remakes should have Secret Bases brought back with customizations.

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Originally Posted by voicerocker (Post 7243521)
That would be like having a new generation happen in 2013 with RSE remakes and then again in 2014 for Gen 6. That's a lot of compatibility issues to think about. Remakes wouldn't be fully compatible with either the other Gen 5 games or Gen 6 once new Pokemon and moves are introduced. It would be stuck in between the two generations, like a Gen 5.5 all by itself.

Why remakes on 3DS would be incompatible with gen 5? If they don't introduce any new Pokemon, attacks, etc, there should be no problem. Dream Radar is for 3DS and has no compatibility problems with B2/W2.

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Originally Posted by voicerocker (Post 7243521)
See the pattern? Usually, movie details come out in December, a Pokemon or forme that is to star in the next movie is revealed in February, and then movie premieres in July, followed by a September game release of some kind. With Genesect already being shown, what is there left to reveal next February? Nothing but a new Pokemon. The Kami trio Therian formes I believe have been confirmed for Best Wishes 2, so they'll have their time in the series.

Talking about patterns... you should notice that next gen Pokemon are main stars only after all movie Pokemon from current gen already had their movies, meaning no gen 6 star in Genesect movie. I thought Genesect won't be getting it's own movie because of most likely being revealed in this year, but now it looks like Genesect movie will be associated with with R/S remakes in 2013, much like Arceus movie with HG/SS. The reason why they started to revealing Genesect now is most likely it's presence in Pokedex 3D Pro.
Genesect will probably be announced like Victini - being already known year before and confirmed later to be main star.

Kerjo July 8th, 2012 5:58 PM

Whew a lot of speculation to catch up on. There are only a few things I have to say at the moment though.

While internationally, Pokemon Yellow was the third game released, it is not considered a third version in the ways that Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum are. Pokemon Yellow was loosely based off the anime featuring Ash. Therefore when making FR/LG the components of Yellow were ignored because it wasn't meant to be part of the original games (plus no one wanted to run around with a Pikachu who couldn't evolve if you wanted him to).

It is assumed that R/S/E takes place at the same time as FR/LG and D/P/PT with HG/SS and with the game hints there's little point in arguing that R/S/E is closer to 5th gen as it takes place at least 3+ years after HG/SS.

But this can also explain why Giovanni is in the PWT. After being defeated by Gold, he gave up on ever reviving Team Rocket and went into training. Also if I remember right, the public only thinks that Giovanni abandoned his position as a Gym Leader; they do not know that he was the leader of Team Rocket. The only ones who do are Red, Green/Blue, Gold, and Silver. Meaning that in the time skip he could have come back and regained his role, but we'll never know what happens to Kanto during this time. Course PWT isn't canon so this isn't much to discuss.

It might be simpler for them to remake Emerald, because it's events tied a bit more with both games than Crystal did with Gold and Silver. Plus it wouldn't make a big fuss of Team Magma/Aqua not existing in one of the games. It would also give reason for Rayquaza being present as he is part of the trio and just can't be ignored. However, they could change the events around and make Steven the Champion and Wallace a powerful wandering trainer.

Another way is to remake R/S and have you side with one team to stop the other. For example in a Sapphire remake, you would side with Team Aqua to stop Team Magma and end up helping them get Kyogre. However, the two Legends are locked in battle creating chaos and so the player is sent to awaken Rayquaza to stop the battle. All incorporating the features from Emerald, but leaving Steven as the Champion and Wallace as a Gym Leader.

On the note of B/W breaking patterns, in a way they didn't. They claimed they were starting over with B/W to welcome new people to the franchise and the next games ended up being sequels. Going back to R/B/G, the beginning, the next games made (we're excluding Yellow because it was a special edition for Pikachu, because people wanted to be Ash) were sequels that took place 3 years later. While B2/W2 isn't Gen 6 it's still sort of follows Pokemon game pattern if it is truly considered a reboot.

Now my spill is over. Don't kill my points too brutally. :p

voicerocker July 8th, 2012 6:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 7243530)
Voice the Rse=rgby/frlg timeline is only fan speculation. Nothing confirms they happen simultaneously.

My point was that wombateiro's claim that RSE will be remade next is because they fit into the timeline of B2W2. However, if that is the case, that would also mean all other remakes occured due to being part of the same timeline, including FRLG occuring at the same time as RSE, which contradicts his RSE occuring with B2W2 and Janine's appearance as a Gym Leader and Red and Lance being Champions. I was actually trying to argue that using timeline as a reason can't be done.

I actually don't believe a Gen has to have occured in the same timeline to be remade. We already have alternate universes (N and Reshiram/Zekrom, Team Magma and Team Aqua being evil) so it really shouldn't mean there is an absolute set of events that occurs.

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7244580)
"Pointless" features are needed to make games more unique. There's many features in every game which could be deleted, but why? For example, they made sprite animations for all trainers in B2/W2. It's pointless, but who cares? It's standard of gaming development to keep removing and bringing back features to keep people interested in games.

Exactly, if every game had following in it, it wouldn't be unique. The difference with these sprite animations is that they are far more advanced, unlike the limited animation we've seen before. Sort of like how B/W introduced the fully animated Pokemon, B2W2 fully animated (well, until they send out a Pokemon) trainers.

But the point again is that just because following and Gym Leader rematches specifically aren't there, doesn't mean this Generation has another installment coming just to include those features again.

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7244580)
They brought back limited rematches with Gym Leaders in B2/W2, kinda like in Platinum. I expect them to bring back unlimited rematches in R/S remakes, just like in HG/SS. Hidden Hollows in B2/W2 are technically brought back Secret Bases without customizations. R/S remakes should have Secret Bases brought back with customizations.

Again, I don't see the importance of facing the Gym Leaders again with all the extra characters we can battle now. In HG/SS, there were no special NPC's other than Red and your Rival on certain days to face again. B/W changed this.

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"Why remakes on 3DS would be incompatible with gen 5? If they don't introduce any new Pokemon, attacks, etc, there should be no problem. Dream Radar is for 3DS and has no compatibility problems with B2/W2.

I meant FULL compatibility, like how HG/SS was fully compatible with D/P/Pt. No games designed for different systems have been fully compatible before. And the Dream Radar's compatibility isn't what I was talking about, I meant only the main series games. I doubt a DS designed game would fully work with one designed for the 3DS. We could probably use PokeTransfer like from Gen 3 to Gen 4 and Gen 4 to Gen 5, but battles and such would probably be out.

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7244580)
"Talking about patterns... you should notice that next gen Pokemon are main stars only after all movie Pokemon from current gen already had their movies, meaning no gen 6 star in Genesect movie. I thought Genesect won't be getting it's own movie because of most likely being revealed in this year, but now it looks like Genesect movie will be associated with with R/S remakes in 2013, much like Arceus movie with HG/SS. The reason why they started to revealing Genesect now is most likely it's presence in Pokedex 3D Pro.
Genesect will probably be announced like Victini - being already known year before and confirmed later to be main star.

Gen 5 has broken a lot of trends, but every February except for the Victini movie has been "reveal the star" month, but only Victini and Zekrom were confirmed at first. February revealed Reshiram would also be in the movie, and that 2 movies would happen, not just 1. Victini was not the "star" of the movie, both Reshiram and Zekrom were equally important to those movies, like Mew and Mewtwo shared the spotlight. So that was very different from any other February announcement, but it was still something new and something we didn't know about from the December announcement.

Also, B/W got the traditional September release in Japan with a US release in March 2011, 5 months later which is the standard I believe. But B2/W2 were released in June, 3 months earlier than usual with the US October release being about 3.5 months between the Japanese release. And again, look at how many Pokemon and formes were revealed this February. Every event Legendary has had its own movie, except Meloetta. They stuck it in the series. Why do that if not to save time? Why not make a movie with it? Why reveal so many Pokemon and formes so soon if Gen 5 is going to continue into 2014? Even Arceus was saved to be revealed the same year HG/SS were released, possibly because of the Arceus event in those games.

Regigigas was shown in the preview for the Platinum movie, but had a small role. Lugia and Ho-oh were shown in the preview for the Zoroark movie, but didn't even appear in it. For Genesect (a Pokemon that still hasn't officially been revealed yet) to appear a whole year before its movie should be a red flag. With it being a "new" Pokemon, I doubt it won't be in the movie. So, since we know about Genesect already, what new could there be in February to announce other than a Gen 6 Pokemon? All movies that served as part of the remake eras revealed old Pokemon like Celebi and the Johto trio first in December, then a new or event Pokemon in February. That hasn't changed.

PokePlayer101 July 8th, 2012 9:40 PM

You know what I think? I think GameFreak is trolling us. Getting our hopes down for the remakes. And then next time you walk through Walmart you see the remakes.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 8th, 2012 10:38 PM

@ Voicerocker maybe they'll show a gimmicky Hoenn Pokemon like Notch eared Minun and Plusle. Remember Arceus' movie didn't show any generation 5 pokémon despite us speculating it would, perhaps Genesect's movie will simply have some Hoenn mons for promotion and they'll save the gen 6 for the next one which if their are remakes will proably focus on a Hoenn legend my guess is either Deoxys (because it's the last like Mew and Celebi before it) or Jiranchi (cute legend) and a gen VI Pokémon.

I wouldn't be surprise if GF was trolling us with making our hopes go down, I remember they did the same with Notch ear Pichu...everyone was expecting a gen V pokémon...

rocky505 July 8th, 2012 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by PokePlayer101 (Post 7245051)
You know what I think? I think GameFreak is trolling us. Getting our hopes down for the remakes. And then next time you walk through Walmart you see the remakes.

Why would wal mart Be the first place you see them? The Internet will obviously be first.

voicerocker July 8th, 2012 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7245099)
@ Voicerocker maybe they'll show a gimmicky Hoenn Pokemon like Notch eared Minun and Plusle. Remember Arceus' movie didn't show any generation 5 pokémon despite us speculating it would, perhaps Genesect's movie will simply have some Hoenn mons for promotion and they'll save the gen 6 for the next one which if their are remakes will proably focus on a Hoenn legend my guess is either Deoxys (because it's the last like Mew and Celebi before it) or Jiranchi (cute legend) and a gen VI Pokémon.

I wouldn't be surprise if GF was trolling us with making our hopes go down, I remember they did the same with Notch ear Pichu...everyone was expecting a gen V pokémon...

According to the info I found, the Notch eared Pichu was revealed in December '08, before Arceus was revealed in February '09. Arceus was the big reveal for that movie, but Genesect is being revealed for the movie now. That's what makes this case different. It would make sense for gimmick Hoenn Pokemon to be shown instead or revealed in December like Pichu was, but instead it's Genesect a whole year before the movie. There could be the chance that Genesect won't be in this movie at all, like Ho-oh and Lugia in the Zoroark movie, but those were old Pokemon. Plus, that December, Celebi was revealed for the movie, while Zoroark came in February. Genesect is still technically "new", so why put a new Pokemon in the preview if it isn't in it?

Also, they passed on making a movie for Meloetta for next year. The first time an event Pokemon won't have a full movie featuring it. Why skip Meloetta? They also revealed Darkrai, Shaymin, and Arceus 3 Februarys in a row. Keldeo and Meloetta were both revealed this year and now Genesect has officially appeared. Surely a proper reveal is coming soon, probably in time for the release of the Complete Pokedex and Pokedex Pro 3D.

February is the month of the event Pokemon reveal or totally new Pokemon reveal. There are no Unova Pokemon left.

#Emochu July 9th, 2012 2:36 AM

Does anyone think it would really be necessary to have Ruby and Sapphire remakes? Game Freak's "IT PRINTS MONEY" scheme is getting old, and there are apparently rumours that it'll be an Emerald remake.

I personally would want one big remake with new features which outstand the game from previous remakes.

MiTjA July 9th, 2012 3:06 AM

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It might be simpler for them to remake Emerald, because it's events tied a bit more with both games than Crystal did with Gold and Silver. Plus it wouldn't make a big fuss of Team Magma/Aqua not existing in one of the games. It would also give reason for Rayquaza being present as he is part of the trio and just can't be ignored. However, they could change the events around and make Steven the Champion and Wallace a powerful wandering trainer.

Another way is to remake R/S and have you side with one team to stop the other. For example in a Sapphire remake, you would side with Team Aqua to stop Team Magma and end up helping them get Kyogre. However, the two Legends are locked in battle creating chaos and so the player is sent to awaken Rayquaza to stop the battle. All incorporating the features from Emerald, but leaving Steven as the Champion and Wallace as a Gym Leader.

Yeah, basically any changes would make more sense than not changing things. Like your ideas for example.

Which brings me back to my original point. Why then insist on plain remakes that mostly just upgrade the graphics, instead of making a new game right away?

leojay July 9th, 2012 4:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7236003)
We spent two generations on the Ds, so if Hoenn isn't remade this gen it will never have been in the ds rather the 3Ds which will be the handheld for Gen VI (unless Gf plans to drag on making DS games...). The rushing of this generation gives me the impression that they want to end the gen as quick as possible to start making 3DS games.

So I'm starting to think that it will be for gen VI.

I honestly think Gen V will last awhile, and there'll be a few more games for both the 3DS and DS, including the inevitable R/S remakes.

I honestly don't wanna see a Gen VI. I just don't see what else they could do, new Pokemon wise at least. If it's just a new story, then I'm all for it.

MiTjA July 9th, 2012 5:42 AM

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I honestly don't wanna see a Gen VI. I just don't see what else they could do, new Pokemon wise at least. If it's just a new story, then I'm all for it.

You must have a really awful imagination.

Pokemon designs have unlimited options, from being based on millions of real life organisms, thousands of mythological creatures, reverse mimicry for inanimate obejcts, or even just cliches, stereotypes, puns, or heck even things like just fighting techniques or other concepts and ideas.
Not to mention the infinite combinations of any of these.

With BW they have proven that even if they intentionally go and use the same concepts, they still manage to make them completely fresh and unique.

Do I have to point out the hundreds of dedicated fakemon creators, uploading thousands of their own pokemon and never running out of ideas simply because the franchise has the limits set at the edge of the possible.

lol

Kanto_Johto July 9th, 2012 5:52 AM

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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7245282)
Yeah, basically any changes would make more sense than not changing things. Like your ideas for example.

Which brings me back to my original point. Why then insist on plain remakes that mostly just upgrade the graphics, instead of making a new game right away?

I can answer that question with one word: Money. Even if the remakes are an exact copy of Ruby/Sapphire with updated graphics, people will still buy them. Luckily Game Freak are smart enough to at least include a fair few changes in the gameplay, as they did with HG/SS.

Also, I agree with the suggestion that R/S/E remakes are likely to be made in Gen VI. GF have already given us two paired games this gen, and on the whole it feels as though Gen V is coming to a close, especially with eventual retirement of the DS console and the 3DS taking the spotlight.

leojay July 9th, 2012 6:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7245407)
You must have a really awful imagination.

Pokemon designs have unlimited options, from being based on millions of real life organisms, thousands of mythological creatures, reverse mimicry for inanimate obejcts, or even just cliches, stereotypes, puns, or heck even things like just fighting techniques or other concepts and ideas.
Not to mention the infinite combinations of any of these.

With BW they have proven that even if they intentionally go and use the same concepts, they still manage to make them completely fresh and unique.

Do I have to point out the hundreds of dedicated fakemon creators, uploading thousands of their own pokemon and never running out of ideas simply because the franchise has the limits set at the edge of the possible.

lol

I don't have an awful imagination, I'm just getting sick of the new pokemon, new region, new starters thingo they do every new gen. It's honestly getting repetitive.

I'd love for them to focus more on the story. They did it extremely well in b/w, especially when continuing it in another game. I'd love to see more continuations in stories, rather than whole new generations of Pokemon every 4 years. We have plenty now that just seem very under utilized every gen, and will continue to be even moreso once new Pokemon are introduced.

silverexorcist July 9th, 2012 8:32 AM

I was honestly surprised when they announced Black 2 and White 2. I, along with many others, expected a third generation remake, as we had precedent from the kanto and johto remakes. I was looking forward to them more than I would like to admit >.< But c'est la vie, it is what it is. We can at least expect that the remakes will come sometime in the fifth generation.

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I don't have an awful imagination, I'm just getting sick of the new pokemon, new region, new starters thingo they do every new gen. It's honestly getting repetitive.

I'd love for them to focus more on the story. They did it extremely well in b/w, especially when continuing it in another game. I'd love to see more continuations in stories, rather than whole new generations of Pokemon every 4 years. We have plenty now that just seem very under utilized every gen, and will continue to be even moreso once new Pokemon are introduced.

I agree with you that having new pokemon can sometimes be tedious since they do it so often. Especially by this point, with well over 500 pokemon species, for someone just getting into the game, it might be a bit cumbersome to remember all the names, appearances, types, abilities, and so on.

But at the same time, that's what keeps the game interesting. Like in real life, there is an infite amount of animals and we keep discovering more. The idea is that each region is completely unique and different from the previous one. The 'new starter pokemon' thing may be a bit repetetive, but it is tradition. There might not be any particular reason in creating new regions in another generation if there aren't any new pokemon to introduce. I suppose what I'm saying is, each region is identified with the generation of new pokemon that they have. That's why through the initial play through of FR, LG, HG, and SS, you couldn't catch pokemon outside of that region's regional pokedex, and none at all from the games introduced in the same generation that succeed the original games the remakes were created based off of.

So if they lengthened the time between the new generations, that would be fine with me. I'm not the least bit impatient for a new one, even if we know they're coming.

wombateiro July 9th, 2012 8:50 AM

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Originally Posted by voicerocker (Post 7244864)
Exactly, if every game had following in it, it wouldn't be unique. The difference with these sprite animations is that they are far more advanced, unlike the limited animation we've seen before. Sort of like how B/W introduced the fully animated Pokemon, B2W2 fully animated (well, until they send out a Pokemon) trainers.

But the point again is that just because following and Gym Leader rematches specifically aren't there, doesn't mean this Generation has another installment coming just to include those features again.

Again, I don't see the importance of facing the Gym Leaders again with all the extra characters we can battle now. In HG/SS, there were no special NPC's other than Red and your Rival on certain days to face again. B/W changed this.

Gym Leader rematches ARE in B2/W2, but limited. R/S remakes can easily have better rematches, like HG/SS have better than Platinum. They reintroduced rematches in B2/W2 and probably going to make them better in R/S remakes.
Gen 5 didn't change much. Battle Subway = Battle Tower from previous gens, the same like World Tournament = Battle Frontier. R/S remakes would do even better than HG/SS because they would have their own Battle Frontier, not copied from from previous game like HG/SS.

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I meant FULL compatibility, like how HG/SS was fully compatible with D/P/Pt. No games designed for different systems have been fully compatible before. And the Dream Radar's compatibility isn't what I was talking about, I meant only the main series games. I doubt a DS designed game would fully work with one designed for the 3DS. We could probably use PokeTransfer like from Gen 3 to Gen 4 and Gen 4 to Gen 5, but battles and such would probably be out.

Main Pokemon games designed for different systems were never fully compatible before because they were always for different generations. This pattern could be broken in gen 5 (like many other patterns) because DS and 3DS can easily connect with each other. This pattern is actually broken already because you can use 3DS Dream Radar to get new Pokemon for B2/W2 which are DS games.

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Gen 5 has broken a lot of trends, but every February except for the Victini movie has been "reveal the star" month, but only Victini and Zekrom were confirmed at first. February revealed Reshiram would also be in the movie, and that 2 movies would happen, not just 1. Victini was not the "star" of the movie, both Reshiram and Zekrom were equally important to those movies, like Mew and Mewtwo shared the spotlight. So that was very different from any other February announcement, but it was still something new and something we didn't know about from the December announcement.

But still, next gen Pokemon never have been stars until all current gen Pokemon had their movies. Now it's more likely that Genesect movie will be associated with R/S remakes rather than with gen 6.
We can't really discuss this now because we must see December poster first. It's possible that Gensesct will start being distributed now without proper reveal (for the purpose of Pokedex 3D Pro, it will have Genesect's data) and have full reveal in February/March. For example Deoxys was obvious to be on December 2003 poster, but still, it was fully revealed later in March 2004. Check this poster: http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/0/05/Japanese_M07_teaser_poster.png

MiTjA July 9th, 2012 9:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Kanto_Johto (Post 7245423)
I can answer that question with one word: Money. Even if the remakes are an exact copy of Ruby/Sapphire with updated graphics, people will still buy them. Luckily Game Freak are smart enough to at least include a fair few changes in the gameplay, as they did with HG/SS.

If you consider that they have to make Hoenn tilesets and map every single place again etc... its not THAT big difference in the amount of work, while the money they would make would surely be higher with the adverts saying "a new completely new adventure in Hoenn. Rediscover and stuff!"

If they used that setting and took yet another step forward, by introducing say 50 more pokes, and then justifiying a jump to 3DS without the usual main games.

It would work nostalgia and as a new game at the same time.
Id love it :E

voicerocker July 9th, 2012 1:44 PM

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Originally Posted by leojay (Post 7245356)
I honestly think Gen V will last awhile, and there'll be a few more games for both the 3DS and DS, including the inevitable R/S remakes.

With them releasing all of the event Pokemon in the same year, I doubt it will go on much longer. We'll see a few spinoffs for sure, but with them skipping a movie for Meloetta and showing Genesect already seems to suggest that Gen 5 is almost over. (Gen 1 and 2 only lasted 3 years. By next September, it will be 3 years for Gen 5.)

I wouldn't call RSE remakes "inevitable" seeing as how the original GBA versions can still be played on the same system that B2W2 were designed to be played on.

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I just don't see what else they could do, new Pokemon wise at least.

People have said this for at least 10 years. People thought Gen 3 was the end. It wasn't. Then people were SURE Gen 4 was the end. It wasn't. If the current people at Game Freak actually do run out of ideas, they'll just hire new folks with new ideas. Standard business. New Pokemon WILL come unless they decide to just stop, but with Pokemon still extremely popular and making more money with every new Gen, they won't be stopping anytime soon.

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I agree with you that having new pokemon can sometimes be tedious since they do it so often.

Red and Green - 1996
Silver and Gold - 1999 (3 years later)
Ruby and Sapphire - 2002 (3 years later)
Diamond and Pearl - 2006 (4 years later)
Black and White - 2010 (4 years later)

3 or 4 years is not "often". That's just enough time for everyone to learn and get use to all the Pokemon introduced.

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Especially by this point, with well over 500 pokemon species, for someone just getting into the game, it might be a bit cumbersome to remember all the names, appearances, types, abilities, and so on.

It is not required that you know everything about every Pokemon to play the games. Game Freak kept all of the previous 493 Pokemon out of Black and White to allow newer players an equal chance of winning battles against older players.


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So if they lengthened the time between the new generations, that would be fine with me. I'm not the least bit impatient for a new one, even if we know they're coming.

They have to release more Pokemon every so often to keep the series fresh. The longer they use the same Pokemon, the greater the chances people with lose interest in the series.

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7245659)
Gen 5 didn't change much. Battle Subway = Battle Tower from previous gens, the same like World Tournament = Battle Frontier. R/S remakes would do even better than HG/SS because they would have their own Battle Frontier, not copied from from previous game like HG/SS.

Yes it did. Gen 4's only rematches outside of the rival and Elite 4 were the Gym Leaders, not counting the random NPCs that call you. Gen 5 allows us to rematch several important and major characters, and even more of them in B2W2. You're basically saying it will be back because it wasn't in B2W2.

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7245659)
Main Pokemon games designed for different systems were never fully compatible before because they were always for different generations. This pattern could be broken in gen 5 (like many other patterns) because DS and 3DS can easily connect with each other. This pattern is actually broken already because you can use 3DS Dream Radar to get new Pokemon for B2/W2 which are DS games.

Can you have a battle on the Dream Radar? No. That's not the form of compatibility I was talking about. You can't play 3DS games on a DS, DSi, or DSLite, so games programmed for those different systems probably won't allow for battles or simple trades to happen between the DS and 3DS. You'd probably only be able to transfer your Pokemon one-way, not trade.

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But still, next gen Pokemon never have been stars until all current gen Pokemon had their movies. Now it's more likely that Genesect movie will be associated with R/S remakes rather than with gen 6.

And still, every February reveals something new. Genesect should have been saved for this if they were planning for it to be the big reveal, like Arceus was revealed the same year HG/SS came out. If they release Genesect for the Complete Pokedex Guide and Pokedex 3D Pro for distribution (like Victini), it won't be the reveal in February, like Victini wasn't. And an old Pokemon would not be the reveal in February, they've NEVER done that.

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7245659)
We can't really discuss this now because we must see December poster first. It's possible that Gensesct will start being distributed now without proper reveal (for the purpose of Pokedex 3D Pro, it will have Genesect's data) and have full reveal in February/March. For example Deoxys was obvious to be on December 2003 poster, but still, it was fully revealed later in March 2004. Check this poster: http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/0/05/Japanese_M07_teaser_poster.png

Victini was officially revealed for the distribution. Same is likely to happen for Genesect if plans are to distribute it soon. They'll HAVE to reveal it if they will distribute it. Deoxys was not distributed before it's movie, nor any other event Pokemon besides Victini, which as I said, was revealed so they could distribute it.

As for that Deoxys poster, before February 2004, Deoxys was still a secret Pokemon, known only to those who spoiled themselves by researching on the internet. It was not recognized as an official Pokemon until Feb '04. The first Deoxys event would not come until that June, right before the Deoxys movie.

Yes, no movie has starred a new Gen Pokemon without showing all event Pokemon, but Gen 3 and 4 also had remakes which had to be advertised, which is why Mew, Kyogre, Celebi, the Johto beasts, and Spiky eared Pichu were in the movies. If no remakes are coming, we'll see a Gen 6 Pokemon. Any Pokemon that served as promotion for the remakes was revealed in December (Celebi, Pichu), not February.

If you don't believe Gen 5 is ending next year, why do you think they are revealing all the event Pokemon so close together? Going on past trends with events, it should go like this:
2012 - Keldeo movie
2013 - Meloetta movie
2014 - Genesect movie
2015 - First Gen 6/Gen 3 remake movie

This clearly won't happen, so how exactly do you see things happening?

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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7245669)
If you consider that they have to make Hoenn tilesets and map every single place again etc... its not THAT big difference in the amount of work, while the money they would make would surely be higher with the adverts saying "a new completely new adventure in Hoenn. Rediscover and stuff!"

If they used that setting and took yet another step forward, by introducing say 50 more pokes, and then justifiying a jump to 3DS without the usual main games.

It would work nostalgia and as a new game at the same time.
Id love it :E

If they did this, the Hoenn Legendary Pokemon would be the stars, not the new Pokemon. Each region's Legendary Pokemon are assoicated with their original roles in their home regions. (Black and White Pokedex refer to Dialga and Palkia specifically as "Legendary Pokemon of Sinnoh".)

Plus, REMAKES would be just that: remakes. FRLG and HGSS were at their core, the same games as the originals. I see little reason for them to only make a handful of Pokemon just to revisit an old region where old Pokemon will outshine them in the end.

If they use Hoenn again, it needs to be in remakes, regardless of whether it's only Emerald, Ruby and Sapphire, or even all three. If not, they should go straight to Gen 6.

wombateiro July 9th, 2012 3:34 PM

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Originally Posted by voicerocker (Post 7245914)
Can you have a battle on the Dream Radar? No. That's not the form of compatibility I was talking about. You can't play 3DS games on a DS, DSi, or DSLite, so games programmed for those different systems probably won't allow for battles or simple trades to happen between the DS and 3DS. You'd probably only be able to transfer your Pokemon one-way, not trade.

Yes, gen 5 games can battle with 3DS because they are DSi enhanced - they use WPA type of connection, the same like 3DS. So R/S remakes for 3DS would be battle-compatibile with gen 5. To make it look even better gen 4 games aren't battle-compatible with 3DS, so generation separation would be saved. Gen 5 is probably the first generation ever possible to be split between two consoles without any connection problems.

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Yes it did. Gen 4's only rematches outside of the rival and Elite 4 were the Gym Leaders, not counting the random NPCs that call you. Gen 5 allows us to rematch several important and major characters, and even more of them in B2W2. You're basically saying it will be back because it wasn't in B2W2.

Rematch major characters like who? B/W lacked of important rematches tbh. B2/W2 is not much better because important characters are chosen randomly and use only 3 Pokemon. R/S remakes should have the best rematches of them all. Also like I said before, gen 5 battle facilities are exactly the same like in previous generations, so nothing in gen 5 is much different.

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Originally Posted by voicerocker (Post 7245914)
If you don't believe Gen 5 is ending next year, why do you think they are revealing all the event Pokemon so close together? Going on past trends with events, it should go like this:
2012 - Keldeo movie
2013 - Meloetta movie
2014 - Genesect movie
2015 - First Gen 6/Gen 3 remake movie

This clearly won't happen, so how exactly do you see things happening?

2012 - Keldeo/Meloetta movies, 2013 - Genesect movie, 2014 - next gen movie.
Meloetta broke the pattern of being event Pokemon and not having full movie, so Genesect could broke the patter of February reveal. It's possible because it's the first time there is something like Pokedex 3D Pro, so that could be reason of early Genesect reveal. Maybe they will just show some other Pokemon featured in movie on December poster and Genesect on February/March poster.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 9th, 2012 3:34 PM

Well remember they revealed Arceus before HgSs were announced so it wouldn't be strange if they the same with Genesect. Who knows perhaps there might even be a Genesect event in the remakes like Deoxys in Kanto (Sevii islands), Arceus activated an event in HgSs. Perhaps Plasma hid it away in that region so that it may not be found...

We should wait until february to get a clear picture on what lies ahead.

rocky505 July 9th, 2012 4:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7245999)
Well remember they revealed Arceus before HgSs were announced so it wouldn't be strange if they the same with Genesect. Who knows perhaps there might even be a Genesect event in the remakes like Deoxys in Kanto (Sevii islands), Arceus activated an event in HgSs. Perhaps Plasma hid it away in that region so that it may not be found...

We should wait until february to get a clear picture on what lies ahead.

Or December to see if a 3rd gen Pokemon has a connection with the next movie.

MiTjA July 9th, 2012 10:55 PM

Then there will be a Lairon in some teaser and this thread will go wild.

wombateiro July 10th, 2012 1:40 AM

Perhaps in Genesect movie Kyogre and Groudon will play important role associating with R/S remakes. None of the gen 3 mascots was featured in Japanese movie title so far, so they finally might be featured. Maybe there will be even dual movie again, one with Kyogre and one with Groudon. That water/magma cave from B2/W2 could have something to do with all of this.

voicerocker July 10th, 2012 7:43 AM

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7246483)
Perhaps in Genesect movie Kyogre and Groudon will play important role associating with R/S remakes. None of the gen 3 mascots was featured in Japanese movie title so far, so they finally might be featured. Maybe there will be even dual movie again, one with Kyogre and one with Groudon. That water/magma cave from B2/W2 could have something to do with all of this.

Kyogre was in the Manaphy movie, and Groudon was involved in the entire plot of the Jirachi movie. Though it wasn't literally a Groudon, that monster definitely had Groudon's likeness. And a real Groudon was seen briefly at the beginning of the movie when we learn that Butler (wasn't that his name?) was kicked out of Team Magma. So they've had their movie appearances, not to mention their battle in the series, so it isn't like they've never appeared.

And I HIGHLY doubt it will be another dual movie. The reason they did that for Reshiram and Zekrom was because of the truth vs. ideals theme Gen 5 has, where neither side is necessarily wrong. It also reflected the game, where in one game, N gets Reshiram and the other he gets Zekrom. There's no reason for Kyogre and Groudon to get that treatment. There's also no evidence of those caves in B2W2 having any significant purpose other than housing a few Pokemon. It was proven Groudon and Kyogre aren't in them.

What will be a key factor is when they decide to reveal Genesect. It's July 2012, if they reveal it soon, it won't be the February announcement. That Deoxys poster was revealed in December, but it was basically a silouette. Deoxys's full image was not revealed until February or early March. We only knew it was Deoxys because of hackers finding it in the coding, just like we know about Genesect now.

wombateiro July 10th, 2012 10:11 AM

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What will be a key factor is when they decide to reveal Genesect. It's July 2012, if they reveal it soon, it won't be the February announcement. That Deoxys poster was revealed in December, but it was basically a silouette. Deoxys's full image was not revealed until February or early March. We only knew it was Deoxys because of hackers finding it in the coding, just like we know about Genesect now.

It's also possible there might be ancient form of Genesect for R/S remakes, going to be revealed in February. There might be device to switch between ancient and modified form. That ancient form could have similar status like Mew in gen 1 - appearing in movie, but not always in game guides, like that ancient form probably won't be in Pokedex 3D Pro.

Speaking of devices in R/S remakes - in R/S/E there are two devices in Devon Corp which aren't completed yet. One device is meant to make visualizations of Pokemon dreams - it could be used for Dream World. Another one is meant to talk with Pokemon - I think it could be used with following Pokemon feature, making it much better than in HG/SS, being able to know what exactly Pokemon is saying.

rocky505 July 10th, 2012 10:18 AM

There is no ancient genesect. All team plasma did was slap a cannon on its back. Creating a new forme of genesect without a cannon on its back is more pointless than keldeo's new form.

wombateiro July 10th, 2012 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 7246995)
There is no ancient genesect. All team plasma did was slap a cannon on its back. Creating a new forme of genesect without a cannon on its back is more pointless than keldeo's new form.

It's stated in Pokedex that it was strong bug and later it got modified by Plasma, so ancient form could be introduced in remakes.

rocky505 July 10th, 2012 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7247069)
It's stated in Pokedex that it was strong bug and later it got modified by Plasma, so ancient form could be introduced in remakes.

Yeah modified as in a cannon was placed on its back read the b2w2 dex entry.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 10th, 2012 12:38 PM

The armor might also be Plasma's but who knows.
I don't really think Genesect will have a new forme in the remakes...if it did B2W2 would proably have some code or something. But I can't say that for sure as I haven't looked at the codes or know anything about that sort of thing.

Anyways if there is no be a significant Pokemon in the movie it'll proably be either the electric rabbits or the Hoenn starters. The Rabbits because they are pika clone and they also appeared in Rayquaza's movie the last Hoenn theme movie.

MiTjA July 10th, 2012 1:09 PM

There has to be a serious star in the movie and its not gonna be Genesect. This is very simple and obvious.

Meaning remakes dont fit from yet another viewpoint, besides the games having to go 3DS next which sure as heck won't be through remakes.

rocky505 July 10th, 2012 1:26 PM

A 6th gen Pokemon won't be a main star in the next movie. If one was then the birds would also be in from what I see.

Lucario fought the Regis
Zoroark fought the beasts
6th gen star will most likely fight the birds.

The next movie is genesect's time to shine not an entirely new Pokemon.

MiTjA July 10th, 2012 2:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 7247306)
A 6th gen Pokemon won't be a main star in the next movie. If one was then the birds would also be in from what I see.

Lucario fought the Regis
Zoroark fought the beasts
6th gen star will most likely fight the birds.

The next movie is genesect's time to shine not an entirely new Pokemon.

....but Genesect will be revealed way too soon to play the main role.

crystalzapdos July 10th, 2012 4:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7247361)
....but Genesect will be revealed way too soon to play the main role.

Hasn't already been revealed? I thought someone said it was on the preview for the 2013 movie that airs after the Keldeo movie.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 10th, 2012 4:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 7247306)
A 6th gen Pokemon won't be a main star in the next movie. If one was then the birds would also be in from what I see.

Lucario fought the Regis
Zoroark fought the beasts
6th gen star will most likely fight the birds.

The next movie is genesect's time to shine not an entirely new Pokemon.

Or the Lake trio...
Lugia fought the Bird trio before so if any it might be the Lake trio or maybe even the Kami trio as those two trio's haven't been in a movie yet.

How is it obvious it won't be Genesect though and how does that disprove or really prove remakes?

Ontopic: I'm hoping they add White Forest and Black City into the remakes. White for Kyogre, and Black for Groudon so that way there will be more compability. Also speaking of those two they will have to upgrade the Pokenav with all the new features if the remakes are to include all the high link, dream world features as B2W2.


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