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vaporeon7 July 10th, 2012 4:24 PM

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Originally Posted by crystalzapdos (Post 7247510)
Hasn't already been revealed? I thought someone said it was on the preview for the 2013 movie that airs after the Keldeo movie.

Yes, it is confirmed that Genesect will be the star of the next film. I don't think we'll see White Forest/Black City in the remakes, I mean, we didn't see the Underground in HGSS, even though they could've easily put it in.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 10th, 2012 7:39 PM

Hmm right, and we didn't see Hoenn's BF in Unova either unlike Pt and HgSs which shared there's for compability...

What do you think the remakes will be called?
Apart from my Username I've though of these possibilities:
Ruby Remake :
TerraRuby ,TectonicRuby , VolcanicRuby, YinRuby (Hoenn is shaped like a Yin and Yang symbol and would fit nicely with this gen's theme), ExplosiveRuby.

Sapphire remake:
MarineSapphire,AquaticSapphire, WaveSapphire, OceanSapphire, YangSapphire, TrenchSapphire.

MiTjA July 11th, 2012 1:50 AM

http://pokebeach.com/news/0712/genesect-corocoro-2.jpg

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Originally Posted by vaporeon7 (Post 7247528)
Yes, it is confirmed that Genesect will be the star of the next film.

Yeah, but there has got to be something bigger in that movie which will be revealed next year. And since there is no event pokemon left, the only tangible possibility is something new. Whether be it gen VI or something unexpected.

voicerocker July 11th, 2012 7:42 AM

[QUOTE=voicerocker;7246759]What will be a key factor is when they decide to reveal Genesect.[QUOTE]

Wow! I said that yesterday and wake up to the real deal! (maybe I'm psychic!! lol)

Yep, I'd say remakes just took another hit. They have nothing left to reveal in February but a new Pokemon. And with no event Pokemon left to keep the generation going, I'm about 98% sure remakes aren't happening, otherwise they wouldn't reveal it so soon. That makes it just under 5 months that Keldeo, Meloetta and Genesect have all been revealed. That should be a clear sign Gen 5 is ending.


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Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 7247306)
A 6th gen Pokemon won't be a main star in the next movie. If one was then the birds would also be in from what I see.

Lucario fought the Regis
Zoroark fought the beasts
6th gen star will most likely fight the birds.

The next movie is genesect's time to shine not an entirely new Pokemon.

I don't really see what the birds have to do with Gen 5 or 6, so I doubt that. Plus, if Genesect was going to get the spotlight, it would have been saved for the February reveal like all the other event Pokemon.

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7247512)
Or the Lake trio...
Lugia fought the Bird trio before so if any it might be the Lake trio or maybe even the Kami trio as those two trio's haven't been in a movie yet.

I doubt the Lake trio as well. They appeared in the anime for the Team Galactic arc. The Kami trio also appeared in the anime together, and if I remember correctly, the are supposed to return for Best Wishes 2 in the Therian formes. If you're hoping for RSE remakes, you should be looking for a Gen 3 Pokemon.

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7247512)
How is it obvious it won't be Genesect though and how does that disprove or really prove remakes?

Every star of the Pokemon movies has been revealed in February of the year the movie comes out. The Victini movies were somewhat different, but Reshiram and Zekrom equally starred with Victini in those movies. February revealed the two movies were being made instead of one, so it was still a new announcement. If they are showing Genesect in the previews for the 2013 movie now AND officially releasing and distributing it, it won't be the star because it is a full year away from the movie premiere. That's too much time to ride on hype, they'll have to have something else to catch peoples attention because February is 7 months away. Genesect will be old news by then.

And Genesect doesn't prove or disprove anything entirely, but it does suggest that if all of the event Pokemon are being revealed almost at once, they aren't planning on continuing this generation any longer. It doesn't prove the remakes won't happen AT ALL, but I find it hard to believe they are happening next year in Gen 5.

MiTjA July 11th, 2012 8:48 AM

Apparently, Genesect will be distributed for B2W2 via wifi, August/September.

Anyone dare to say again there wont be some new pokemon revealed next february? lol

rocky505 July 11th, 2012 9:02 AM

Remakes can still happen depending on what else will be on the movie. Remakes always came after all the new Pokemon were revealed anyway so they still have a shot.

blue July 11th, 2012 9:04 AM

I wonder why they are rushing the legendaries out of Generation V, Keledo, Meloetta and now Genesect. If we don't hear of remakes by next year then I'll assume they're gearing up Gen VI, I know it's early but with the way B2W2 has gone, many things can change. However we might still hear of the remakes next year, that for me is the most likely scenario but if not then it might be tied in with Gen VI.

crystalzapdos July 11th, 2012 9:08 AM

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Originally Posted by voicerocker (Post 7248567)
Wow! I said that yesterday and wake up to the real deal! (maybe I'm psychic!! lol)

Yep, I'd say remakes just took another hit. They have nothing left to reveal in February but a new Pokemon. And with no event Pokemon left to keep the generation going, I'm about 98% sure remakes aren't happening, otherwise they wouldn't reveal it so soon. That makes it just under 5 months that Keldeo, Meloetta and Genesect have all been revealed. That should be a clear sign Gen 5 is ending.

Every star of the Pokemon movies has been revealed in February of the year the movie comes out. The Victini movies were somewhat different, but Reshiram and Zekrom equally starred with Victini in those movies. February revealed the two movies were being made instead of one, so it was still a new announcement. If they are showing Genesect in the previews for the 2013 movie now AND officially releasing and distributing it, it won't be the star because it is a full year away from the movie premiere. That's too much time to ride on hype, they'll have to have something else to catch peoples attention because February is 7 months away. Genesect will be old news by then.

And Genesect doesn't prove or disprove anything entirely, but it does suggest that if all of the event Pokemon are being revealed almost at once, they aren't planning on continuing this generation any longer. It doesn't prove the remakes won't happen AT ALL, but I find it hard to believe they are happening next year in Gen 5.

I pretty much agree here. 5th gen was caught in a weird spot between the DS and the 3DS. They were probably rushed this gen.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 11th, 2012 10:55 AM

If remakes aren't coming next year and we do start another generation (it seem fairly soon for gen V to end especially compared to Gen III and IV) than my guess is Remakes will come out in 2015 in America the 10th anniversity of Emerald and the main game end of generation III. So Gen VI Duel versions than Remake(s) than third/sequels all on the 3Ds.

wombateiro July 11th, 2012 11:35 AM

When I look at what they are doing with gen 5, I think everything is possible. Keldeo/Meloetta movies aren't even premiered yet and Genesect is already revealed. At beginning of gen 5, how many people were saying something like that would happen? I guess not many, if not nobody. The same can be with R/S remakes. They can be prepared for 10th anniversary release, especially while everything of gen 5 is already revealed. Releases of gen 5 event Pokemon got super rushed, the same can go with time gap of releases between B2/W2 and another game (R/S remakes).

Xander Olivieri July 11th, 2012 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7248890)
When I look at what they are doing with gen 5, I think everything is possible. Keldeo/Meloetta movies aren't even premiered yet and Genesect is already revealed. At beginning of gen 5, how many people were saying something like that would happen? I guess not many, if not nobody. The same can be with R/S remakes. They can be prepared for 10th anniversary release, especially while everything of gen 5 is already revealed. Releases of gen 5 event Pokemon got super rushed, the same can go with time gap of releases between B2/W2 and another game (R/S remakes).

No they wouldn't release it for the 10 year. Its right on top of B2W2 which is the major focus right now. Sale wise its suicide to release big names that close together especially since B2W2 releases internationally a month before RS's Anniversary.

The rush can also be that Gen 5 is ending and they are moving onto the next one. We don't know. There isn't any chance of them coming out for their Anniversary, though they have to come out next year if they are still to be with Gen 5 or else they'll be revealed with Gen 6.

There is usually a minimum 6 month gap for info if they are released within a year, so we'd have to wait 5 more months before we hear anything about the remakes.

SuperTreaz July 11th, 2012 12:05 PM

Hoenn was hinted in HGSS.
The Embedded Tower had Kyogre/Groundon and Rayquaza. It also required the use of the Red/Blue Orbs. And the hiker outside referenced Hoenn. COWINKIDINK? Ohyes.

MiTjA July 11th, 2012 12:10 PM

More like, "there is no Hoenn today, so we put yo Hoenn legends in HGSS so you get them anyway", not because they wanted to hint at it.

blue July 11th, 2012 12:15 PM

The fact that they came out with B2W2 could steer things a whole different way, we were all expecting a third game but instead we got two direct sequels so rather than releasing two remakes as expected, they could easily create an Emerald remake with the original plot but add more too it. Emerald marks is 10th year anniversary in 2014 so if they do decide to come out with Generation IV first which would be next year as a start to the Pokemon games going onto the 3DS then it's just as likely that we'll be seeing Hoenn again tied in Generation IV.

SuperTreaz July 11th, 2012 12:56 PM

*VI, sorry. Haha
@Suicune,
Another whole year???
2004 - Emerald
2006 - Diamond/Pearl
2008 - Platinum
2010 - HGSS
2011 - BW
2012 - BW2
2013 - RSE Remakes? Pweeze?

Whispeon July 11th, 2012 1:12 PM

Every region everywhere references past regions. They don't reference remakes or plans for the future at all, unless GAME FREAK have had their entire franchise planned since 1995.

And actually, I'm sceptical as to whether Gen VI will even happen at all, what with the PWT and gathering of EVERYONE EVER up until this point. It kills me to say it but... I think if RS isn't released, B2W2 might be the end.

SuperTreaz July 11th, 2012 1:19 PM

Red/Blue/Green
Yellow
Gold/Silver
Crystal
Ruby/Saphire
Emerald
LeafGreen/FireRed
Diamond/Pearl
Platinum
HeartGold/SoulSilver
Black/White
Black 2/White 2
Now, if the pattern that has become almost trademarked to Pokemon continues, we will have at least RSE remakes.

wombateiro July 11th, 2012 1:23 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7248924)
No they wouldn't release it for the 10 year. Its right on top of B2W2 which is the major focus right now. Sale wise its suicide to release big names that close together especially since B2W2 releases internationally a month before RS's Anniversary.

The rush can also be that Gen 5 is ending and they are moving onto the next one. We don't know. There isn't any chance of them coming out for their Anniversary, though they have to come out next year if they are still to be with Gen 5 or else they'll be revealed with Gen 6.

There is usually a minimum 6 month gap for info if they are released within a year, so we'd have to wait 5 more months before we hear anything about the remakes.

FR/LG international release was one week before Japanese Emerald. Was that sale-wise suicide? I don't think so, look at numbers of sold games. Gen 3 games totally ruled in GBA sales. Nintendo got also sale boost this year after releasing two sequels instead of one third version, so another main games in this year don't seem to be bad marketing move.

You say R/S remakes shouldn't be released this year because of focus on B2/W2. It's similar how Keldeo and Meloetta should be focued on right now but they revealed Genesect just before movie premiere. In gen 5 Nintendo keeps doing surprising things, so we can expect everything. Also, B2/W2 had only 2 months of solid information before release, so remakes could have too.

I'm not saying it's 100% sure there will be remakes in this year, I'm saying there's chance for it.

Xander Olivieri July 11th, 2012 2:02 PM

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7249033)
FR/LG international release was one week before Japanese Emerald. Was that sale-wise suicide? I don't think so, look at numbers of sold games. Gen 3 games totally ruled in GBA sales. Nintendo got also sale boost this year after releasing two sequels instead of one third version, so another main games in this year don't seem to be bad marketing move.

Don't gen 3 also have the current lowest sales total out of all the generations? I mean Gens 1 and 2 sold more than them last I saw didn't they? So yes repeated sales on top of one another is sales suicide. They could have beaten Yu Gi Oh's game release if they spaced it out better instead of the rush they did then.

I know Platinum was lower than Gen three but HG/SS was released soon after Platinum which was a reason for its low sales added to the fact that Gen 4 is the most controversial generation in terms of Fan feelings for it, and with Platinum not changing pretty much anything in the story except for some small additions to the main story for Giratina and slight changes to end game story, it was Pearl/Platinum. Emerald's sales were lower than Ruby and Sapphire so from a money standpoint, they stand to make more with Ruby and Sapphire remakes over an Emerald Remake. Emerald barely beat Platinum by a small 20,000 copies too in the chart I looked at.

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7249033)
You say R/S remakes shouldn't be released this year because of focus on B2/W2. It's similar how Keldeo and Meloetta should be focued on right now but they revealed Genesect just before movie premiere. In gen 5 Nintendo keeps doing surprising things, so we can expect everything. Also, B2/W2 had only 2 months of solid information before release, so remakes could have too.

I'm not saying it's 100% sure there will be remakes in this year, I'm saying there's chance for it.


How can you relate sales to Event Pokemon? They are worlds apart in reference to each other. And its not so much a surprise. When the info for Genesect came out most people predicted an early release.

B2W2 also had to wait a Year and 6 months BEFORE any info showed up on it. So yes, we still have a minimum of 6 months BEFORE we hear anything. That's how the news has been, and release wise, and News wise, nothing has changed.


You wanna throw the Black and White reset things in, well since they reset things, that would also mean that there is an equal chance that they won't remake Ruby and Sapphire cause I mean Black and White reset everything. Can't throw around something random like that and not expect it to backfire on you. I mean you are saying that just cause things aren't predictable that it'll go your way. No it doesn't quite work that way. Yes they are doing things now that are hard to predict. So far everyone is batting a 50:50 average with B/W predictions as well as for B2W2. Some people are getting half their predictions right and half their predictions wrong. Though that has nothing to do with whether they'll remake the games. Money does.

IF they remake the games, according to what made money, they'd remake Ruby and Sapphire.

To make it with the 10 Year anniversary, they'd have to post reviews to it being made in Next month's CoroCoro (September Edition) cause that would be 2 months before, but that breaks normal 6 month barrier for news. Even Emerald had an 8 month waiting period between FR/LG in Japan and with the news of it in Japan international FR/LG sales were lower which in turn hurt Emerald's sales when it finally released because all it did was slightly alter Ruby and Sapphire's story. So like Platinum many fans didn't see it as a great addition and sales reflected this. To keep the remakes on the DS series games, they'd have to release it sometime this year, which again would cause a sales confliction.

They'd have to then release it sometime early 2013 to keep it on if they want to beat out the DS's series retirement which has a high chance of happening in 2013, sometimes after Christmas of this year cause they are going to spam sales of the DSi to give it one final push for sale milking.

If they don't meet either of these, we have a pretty good chance of 2 things happening:

1) Gamefreak introducing Generation 6 in (fall/Winter)2013 or 2014
2) Gamefreak introduce Gen 3 remakes as 3DS titles for Spring 2013 to test more 3D models.

Right now its a race against time for the remakes placement unless Gamefreak intend to release them for a dead console.

MiTjA July 11th, 2012 2:25 PM

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7249033)
FR/LG international release was one week before Japanese Emerald. Was that sale-wise suicide? I don't think so, look at numbers of sold games. Gen 3 games totally ruled in GBA sales. Nintendo got also sale boost this year after releasing two sequels instead of one third version, so another main games in this year don't seem to be bad marketing move.

There was eight months between the japanese releases, and you also have to understand that Emerald didn't need serious work.

They cannot just roll out RS remakes out their asses half a year after BW2.
Assuming they would even want to rush those.

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7249033)
You say R/S remakes shouldn't be released this year because of focus on B2/W2. It's similar how Keldeo and Meloetta should be focued on right now but they revealed Genesect just before movie premiere. In gen 5 Nintendo keeps doing surprising things, so we can expect everything. Also, B2/W2 had only 2 months of solid information before release, so remakes could have too.

That is not a good comparison at all.
Because they reveal 3 event legendaries within the same year, you conclude that they might as well release unrelated main game titles close together?...

And even then, its not like Keldeo and Meloetta lose anything by them revealing Genesect now. And even "now" is not true, as its in next months corocoro and only starts being distributed by the end of august.
Keldeo has had the spotlight for several months, while Meloetta had a poorer focus for whatever reason, that however was simply their decision.

The real question here is why reveal Genesect so fast after their movies are out?

The only answer is that they got something new planned for next year already.

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7249033)
I'm not saying it's 100% sure there will be remakes in this year, I'm saying there's chance for it.

-DS is not getting more games
-they just released sequels to BW which clearly required much more work than past "third versions"
-everything from gen V is revealed

I don't see that chance anywhere.

blue July 11th, 2012 2:30 PM

I'm pretty certain we won't be getting those remakes this year but there's a whole 12 months lined up in 2013, what else can they use? You could say spin-off's but they have those every year, more than one on most occasions.. what I'm saying is 2013 should be the year for a game that makes an impact from back-tracking over the years of game releases with Nintendo.
They usually have a main stream game for every one-two years and I can't see them leaving it blank for a whole year, that would mean a much longer wait for the next mainsteam games which would infact be Generation IV. Diamond & Pearl was released in 06' Platinum was 08' Heart Gold & Soul Silver was 09'
Black and White - 10' ; Black and White 2 - 12' ; Ruby & Sapphire Remakes - 13' It's happened before it can happen again, right? Either that or referring to my previous statement of it folding in with the next Generation.

wombateiro July 11th, 2012 2:36 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7249064)
Don't gen 3 also have the current lowest sales total out of all the generations? I mean Gens 1 and 2 sold more than them last I saw didn't they? So yes repeated sales on top of one another is sales suicide. They could have beaten Yu Gi Oh's game release if they spaced it out better instead of the rush they did then.

Gen 3 have the lowest sales out of all gens because games for GBA have generally lower sales than for other consoles. It doesn't change the fact that gen 3 games were the most popular games on their console. It shows that close releases didn't affect their sales negatively. Paradoxically it could be said that close releases helped them to get better sales.

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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7249092)
There was eight months between the japanese releases, and you also have to understand that Emerald didn't need serious work.

They cannot just roll out RS remakes out their asses half a year after BW2.
Assuming they would even want to rush those.

They could have been working on those games being divided into different teams.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 11th, 2012 3:31 PM

They were working on Platinum and the GS remakes at the same time according to interviews so they might've done the same for B2W2.

There is a chance this is the end... you started with Red and you end with White (2) (Pokéball)...

I'm hoping now that they'll go on ahead and make gen VI next year and remakes in 2014 on the 3DS, it'll have better graphics, new moves, new features, etc. Also 2014 is the 10th anniversity of Firered and Leafgreen the first Remakes that happened to be in between versions...a new pattern could be established by that.

crystalzapdos July 11th, 2012 5:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7248830)
If remakes aren't coming next year and we do start another generation (it seem fairly soon for gen V to end especially compared to Gen III and IV) than my guess is Remakes will come out in 2015 in America the 10th anniversity of Emerald and the main game end of generation III. So Gen VI Duel versions than Remake(s) than third/sequels all on the 3Ds.

Yeah, I pretty much agree with this.

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Originally Posted by SuperTreaz (Post 7248928)
Hoenn was hinted in HGSS.
The Embedded Tower had Kyogre/Groundon and Rayquaza. It also required the use of the Red/Blue Orbs. And the hiker outside referenced Hoenn. COWINKIDINK? Ohyes.

You could catch Cresselia in B/W2. Does that mean we are also getting D/P remakes?

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Originally Posted by Whispeon (Post 7249018)
And actually, I'm sceptical as to whether Gen VI will even happen at all, what with the PWT and gathering of EVERYONE EVER up until this point. It kills me to say it but... I think if RS isn't released, B2W2 might be the end.

Yes, lets just forget that Pokemon make millions of dollars. I bet they'll just end it for the lulz.

Sydian July 11th, 2012 8:59 PM

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And actually, I'm sceptical as to whether Gen VI will even happen at all, what with the PWT and gathering of EVERYONE EVER up until this point. It kills me to say it but... I think if RS isn't released, B2W2 might be the end.
If Zelda and Mario have been going on around 25 years, Pokemon isn't gonna be going anywhere for a long time.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 11th, 2012 10:22 PM

Who knows not are series are the same...
Anyways if remakes are next generation I expect there to be a ton of hints in the new games like DPPt has with GS, and a lot of Hoenn Pokémon evolutions (along with some Unova).

Brendonwii July 11th, 2012 10:26 PM

They will do a remake of it, just look at FR/LG and HG/SS, people bought it and loved it.
I believe it will be pretty stupid if they don't do a remake in 2 years time. They like money and it'll sell like hotcakes.

razzbat July 12th, 2012 1:44 AM

i've been thinking about what game freak can do with the series now considering they're kinda stuck in between the ds and 3ds life cycle and the timing for everything, and these are all the possibilities that seem plausable to me

1. gen VI releases late 2013
- while alot of people are saying its too soon for it to happen, take note it would be 3 years from the release of bw which the same gap as rg to gs and gs to rs
-this would mean that they would be leaving the gen V style with just the unova region games, like how the first 2 generations were
2. rs remakes release late 2013
gen VI releases 2014
-if they were to release an rs remake next year they would be doing it in the gen V style. this would suggest that it would need to be on the ds but this is not necessarily the case. 2 years into the 3ds life cycle with sales for the console going strong, they it would be dangerous for them to be still stuck on a past console. already they're using the 3ds for various things with the ar searcher and the 3d pokedex, but at the same time it would be a bad move to pioneer the 6th gen style on a remake. instead what would be most likely is use an updated gen V engine for the 3ds where stylistically it doesn't look too different, just generally sharper and it would be in 3d
-if they were to stick with this idea these games will have full compatibility with the other 5th gen pokemon games trade and battle wise
-if all this happens gen VI in order to have the impact of a new pokemon game i would assume would go through a complete graphical overhaul with 3d polygons similar to the cube pokemon games
3. nothing happens next
gen VI releases 2014
-this i would say is the most unlikely. they've got nothing to go on with gen V with all the event pokemon coming out this year, they took a break last year, idk the market idk the market very well but i would assume it would not be in the best interest to do this. nintendo would probably threaten game freak to do something considering pokemon is a big console seller

out of these i think 1. is the most plausable. but if this was to happen, the chance of an rs remake would be reduced :/

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 12th, 2012 7:48 AM

Even if we do move on to the next generation we could get the RS remakes than also note that Kanto and Oak took a break this generation as well, they along with remakes could return. Perhaps GF wanted a break from remaking games as they don't want people to feel like they're just going to remake them those games in 2 generations, with 3 it could be 3 generations later...

crystalzapdos July 12th, 2012 1:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7249605)
Who knows not are series are the same...

They are the same in the fact that they both make money. Pokemon is the second best-selling video game franchise in the world and makes millions of dollars. Why would they just decide, "I don't like money, who needs a house or food? We'll just stop making Pokemon! I'll be out of a job, be but who cares?"

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Originally Posted by razzbat (Post 7249888)
i've been thinking about what game freak can do with the series now considering they're kinda stuck in between the ds and 3ds life cycle and the timing for everything, and these are all the possibilities that seem plausable to me

1. gen VI releases late 2013
- while alot of people are saying its too soon for it to happen, take note it would be 3 years from the release of bw which the same gap as rg to gs and gs to rs
-this would mean that they would be leaving the gen V style with just the unova region games, like how the first 2 generations were
2. rs remakes release late 2013
gen VI releases 2014
-if they were to release an rs remake next year they would be doing it in the gen V style. this would suggest that it would need to be on the ds but this is not necessarily the case. 2 years into the 3ds life cycle with sales for the console going strong, they it would be dangerous for them to be still stuck on a past console. already they're using the 3ds for various things with the ar searcher and the 3d pokedex, but at the same time it would be a bad move to pioneer the 6th gen style on a remake. instead what would be most likely is use an updated gen V engine for the 3ds where stylistically it doesn't look too different, just generally sharper and it would be in 3d
-if they were to stick with this idea these games will have full compatibility with the other 5th gen pokemon games trade and battle wise
-if all this happens gen VI in order to have the impact of a new pokemon game i would assume would go through a complete graphical overhaul with 3d polygons similar to the cube pokemon games
3. nothing happens next
gen VI releases 2014
-this i would say is the most unlikely. they've got nothing to go on with gen V with all the event pokemon coming out this year, they took a break last year, idk the market idk the market very well but i would assume it would not be in the best interest to do this. nintendo would probably threaten game freak to do something considering pokemon is a big console seller

out of these i think 1. is the most plausable. but if this was to happen, the chance of an rs remake would be reduced :/

I'd say 1 or 3 are most likely. There was year gap between Emerald and D/P, and that was also between consoles, so I don't see a problem with number three.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 12th, 2012 6:52 PM

If they pull a one year gap than we can expect a whole lot of spin off like gen III had after Emerald was released, it's possible as Gen III was sort of rushed too with the remakes coming out than Emerald version all in the same year.

If the remakes were to come next year though I expect we'll get them around the same time as usual games not June like B2W2 were released.


RandomDSdevel July 12th, 2012 7:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7243205)
There is another scenerio that could still make Emerald Canon but wouldn't necessary make Hoenn take place after HgSS' time. Remember we can fight Steven post game in Emerald, he could've been refering to that (though he also called himself champion...) while Wallace was still champ. Both sets of remakes only made things harder to decipher for RS' remakes and it's own timeline (though I think it's somewhere between FrLG's time and HgSs').

Wouldn't Steven want to regain his status as Hoenn League Champion because Wallace beat him? That would mean that the poor guy doesn't understand how he was defeated and can't mentally cede his title to Wallace. Speaking of Wally, wasn't he your rival in RSE?

NV July 12th, 2012 10:34 PM

You know, theres nothing wrong with them just making the games in DS style.
The 3ds plays DS games too after all.
And there's really not much the 3DS would add to market more buyers.
Remember, people probably thought the DS was dieing when the DSi and DSXL were released too!
But DS games can still have added features that work best on the 3ds.

curiousnathan July 12th, 2012 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by NV (Post 7251300)
You know, theres nothing wrong with them just making the games in DS style.
The 3ds plays DS games too after all.
And there's really not much the 3DS would add to market more buyers.
Remember, people probably thought the DS was dieing when the DSi and DSXL were released too!
But DS games can still have added features that work best on the 3ds.

Yeah, but I've played normal DS games on my 3DS and they're terrible. The graphics drop down by a big notch!

Ω Ruby and α Sapphire July 12th, 2012 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Curious. (Post 7251306)


Yeah, but I've played normal DS games on my 3DS and they're terrible. The graphics drop down by a big notch!

You never know Nintendo might have picked up on this and doing something about this for BW2 and other future titles. Still wish they released more games for the 3DS.

C Payne July 13th, 2012 2:33 AM

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Originally Posted by NV (Post 7251300)
You know, theres nothing wrong with them just making the games in DS style.
The 3ds plays DS games too after all.
And there's really not much the 3DS would add to market more buyers.
Remember, people probably thought the DS was dieing when the DSi and DSXL were released too!
But DS games can still have added features that work best on the 3ds.

The 3DS isn't just a DS revision though, it's a whole new console/the successor. There's actually a fair bit more they could do to 'up the games'.

Rayquaza. July 13th, 2012 5:50 AM

I really hope they make an RSE remake. Emerald was my first ever pokemon game so It'd be great news to hear of a remake (Just as long as it's not 3DS orientated).

Sydian July 13th, 2012 7:18 AM

Guys, there's a 3DS discussion thread in Video Gaming. I'm being quite lenient with this thread so far, much more than I intended, and although the 3DS is slightly relevant to RSE remakes, that doesn't mean we should sidetrack ourselves to discussing it solely.

blue July 13th, 2012 7:26 AM

I think if we know that we want it then surely Nintendo would, they also know how much it would sell which would generate money for them and why wouldn't they create something that would give them millions?

crystalzapdos July 13th, 2012 8:51 AM

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Originally Posted by NV (Post 7251300)
You know, theres nothing wrong with them just making the games in DS style.
The 3ds plays DS games too after all.
And there's really not much the 3DS would add to market more buyers.
Remember, people probably thought the DS was dieing when the DSi and DSXL were released too!
But DS games can still have added features that work best on the 3ds.

They don't make games for the GBA, do they? The DS can play those, so why don't they just make games for it?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2012 9:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7251721)
I think if we know that we want it then surely Nintendo would, they also know how much it would sell which would generate money for them and why wouldn't they create something that would give them millions?

Wasn't there a request sent to GF for GS remakes a long time ago? Has anyone done such a thing for RS remakes yet, if not than we...

MiTjA July 13th, 2012 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7251854)

Wasn't there a request sent to GF for GS remakes a long time ago?

Surely that was the reason they made HGSS.

(btw: than=/=then)

blue July 13th, 2012 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7251854)

Wasn't there a request sent to GF for GS remakes a long time ago? Has anyone done such a thing for RS remakes yet, if not than we...

There was actually, back in Ocotober someone created a Twitter account asking Junichi Masuda himself something regarding RS Remakes and he replied: ”Thanks for your thoughts. Ruby and Sapphire are important games to me. I will consider your request.”

crystalzapdos July 13th, 2012 6:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7251854)

Wasn't there a request sent to GF for GS remakes a long time ago? Has anyone done such a thing for RS remakes yet, if not than we...

I'm sure they get thousands of letters asking Gamefreak to make y game or put x in a certain game. It probably doesn't affect their decisions at all.

T!M July 13th, 2012 8:03 PM

I honestly, think that for the most part, a RSE Remake would be rather pointless.

For 1, all the Hoenn Pokemon are attainable, simply by transferring them from the GBA version to the DPPl versions then trading them to HGSS or any other game you would want it.

For 2, the only reason I see that they would make the remakes, and this is a big one, is that they'd want to make a quick buck from die hard POKeMON fans that wouldn't second guess buying another installation to the franchise.

I stand by my previous response though (like 20 pages back) I'd buy it anyway. Despite is uselessness, I'd be excited for any interesting additions. And Hoenn has been the only one that hasn't been redesigned.

rocky505 July 13th, 2012 8:27 PM

Hoenn Pokemon being obtainable has nothing to do with remakes. Hgss already proved this because all gen 2 Pokemon were obtainable in gen 3 in some way.

Sydian July 13th, 2012 8:31 PM

Like I've said before, remaking the game wouldn't be for the Pokemon you obtain. It would be to go through the region like you did in 2003 (most of us anyway) and battle the trainers, the gym leaders, Team Aqua/Magma, and just savor the region and storyline. So yeah, it's got those Pokemon, but we're remaking the game, not the Pokemon. I know in Pokemon the Pokemon are obviously important, it's the name of the damn game. But I think the point of remaking it now would be to update the region, the story, the characters, etc. The Pokemon go with use onward to future generations, the region and people don't, and it would be great if we could relive it, redone and restored. Does this make sense?

Basically, it's not about getting the Pokemon, the timeline, the canon, all the crazy posts I personally don't feel like reading. It's about the region, people, and going on the adventure anew.

RandomDSdevel July 13th, 2012 10:08 PM

Pokémon Journeys
 
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Originally Posted by Sydian (Post 7252569)
Like I've said before, remaking the game wouldn't be for the Pokemon you obtain. It would be to go through the region like you did in 2003 (most of us anyway) and battle the trainers, the gym leaders, Team Aqua/Magma, and just savor the region and storyline. So yeah, it's got those Pokemon, but we're remaking the game, not the Pokemon. I know in Pokemon the Pokemon are obviously important, it's the name of the [doggone]* game. But I think the point of remaking it now would be to update the region, the story, the characters, etc. The Pokemon go with use onward to future generations, the region and people don't, and it would be great if we could relive it, redone and restored. Does this make sense?

Basically, it's not about getting the Pokemon, the timeline, the canon, all the crazy posts I personally don't feel like reading. It's about the region, people, and going on the adventure anew.

*Censored…Sorry!

I most definitely agree with you, Sydian, because I think that playing Pokémon games gives us all unique experiences. Personally, though, I consider the franchise's titles to be the key to travelling the Pokémon universe; in fact, I'm kind of obsessive when it comes to this: I'm starting over in Kanto with FireRed to gear up for the Hoenn remakes and will probably clear out my save file on SoulSilver to continue this reset quest. The RSEmakes have to happen so that I can keep going! Maybe GameFreak will have released DPPt remakes by the time that I get back to the Sinnoh region (wink, wink.) Now where did that FireRed remake speculation thread go; I want to be able to wirelessly import my old save data from my original Nintendo DS's GBA slot. And maybe when I've finished doing that, I'll finally have time to buy Pokémon Black Version or its eventual remake. Or should I just sit over here in the corner mapping out my own little piece of Pokéarth?

T!M July 13th, 2012 11:00 PM

Then it's about the money, I just don't see the point in remaking the 3 games for any reason besides a nostalgia kick.

Calvolt July 13th, 2012 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Trainer Timothy (Post 7252752)
Then it's about the money, I just don't see the point in remaking the 3 games for any reason besides a nostalgia kick.

They'd probably only make two, considering how they didn't remake Crystal or Yellow/Green.
Anyway, I hope they do make the remake. Hoenn was one of my favorite generations of Pokémon. Plus, I wouldn't mind the nostalgia kick much at all. :)
If they do make the remakes, I wonder if they'd do remakes for DP or maybe even BW...

Sydian July 14th, 2012 7:30 AM

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Now where did that FireRed remake speculation thread go; I want to be able to wirelessly import my old save data from my original Nintendo DS's GBA slot.
I really hope you're joking. btw, I would never in my life say "doggone", so idk why you censored out damn and replaced it with that. What's the point of quoting someone if you change it? But that's another topic for another time.

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Then it's about the money, I just don't see the point in remaking the 3 games for any reason besides a nostalgia kick.
Yes yes, money too. Add that to my list. etc. Basically, it's just not about obtaining the gen III Pokemon anymore.

rocky505 July 14th, 2012 9:55 AM

I don't know if this is true yet by I'll check on my white 2 later. On bulbagarden a member said that a magma and aqua grunt replaced the rocket grunt in iccuris city.


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So apparently, in B2W2, the Team Rocket Grunt from Cerulean City is no longer living in his house. He's replaced with a happily married couple (and a Sound Designer). The couple? The woman was a former Aqua Grunt, and the man a former Magma grunt. Or Archie got gender reassignment surgery.

Translation via @bluesun
Roughneck♂: I wanted to expand the land, but I realised that it would cause problems for the Pokemon that live in the sea... oh, keep this a secret from my love!
Ranger♀: A long time ago, I tried to expand the seas, but in doing so the Pokemon living on land would decrease. If that happened, the Pokemon of the seas would surely be sad... ah! keep this a secret from my darling!

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 14th, 2012 10:25 AM

If that true that sort of means RS happened before as the Aqua girl said " A long time ago" aka 5 years if you go by the Frlg-RSE happening at the same time timeline.

This is a nice hint...but the rocket grunt having been there could also be taken as a hint of Kanto remakes by some...

Sydian July 14th, 2012 10:35 AM

^ That's why I'd consider it more of an Easter egg. Now, had the Rocket grunt not been in BW and the Aqua/Magma grunts been in B2W2, I would actually take that as a hint. It's plausible and not just grabbing stars and claiming "HURRR HINT!" but yeah. Unless they're remaking both...ugh let's not even think about that.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 14th, 2012 12:15 PM

I kind of hope that it'll be both that way maybe we could get some version exclusive areas in the games, maybe add a Ruby Mountain and Sapphire port?

JayTheKing July 14th, 2012 12:24 PM

I would love to get an Emerald Remake!
And i would also love to be able to walk along with the first pokemon in the party like in HG & SS

blue July 14th, 2012 1:31 PM

Unlikely but instead of remaking both RSE & FRLG, they could just remake Ruby & Sapphire then you could travel to Kanto afterwards, I know it's unlikely and wouldn't make sense in terms of time line etc but it would save some time and programming.

Also, for those who argue saying that all Hoenn Pokémon are obtainable therefore there is no need for remakes, that kinda defeats the point... Hoenn still needs an upgrade in terms of graphics no doubt about it, that's the primary reason why Fire Red & Leaf Green were created, to bring older games upto more modern systems and it's a similar scenario now with RSE. Take a look at Ruby & Sapphire's graphics, now compare them to Black & White 2's graphics.. it's just like comparing RBY to RSE, they need an upgrade and with the 3DS being introduced.. IMO it just puts it more in favour.

Sydian July 14th, 2012 2:01 PM

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Unlikely but instead of remaking both RSE & FRLG, they could just remake Ruby & Sapphire then you could travel to Kanto afterwards, I know it's unlikely and wouldn't make sense in terms of time line etc but it would save some time and programming.
time line time line TIME LINE. When did Pokemon become Zelda? Like I said during all those theories and debates, who cares if they don't all line up perfectly? Just enjoy the games individually. I think that's really how they're meant to be. I could care less about the time line and what makes sense and what adds to it etc. That's the problem I find with this thread most of the time. I just don't understand, or really care, about the so called timeline and how it connects to RSE remakes. Never cared for the Zelda timeline either, but thank the Lord they finally made an official one so I don't have to hear all the confungled theories.

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Also, for those who argue saying that all Hoenn Pokémon are obtainable therefore there is no need for remakes, that kinda defeats the point... Hoenn still needs an upgrade in terms of graphics no doubt about it, that's the primary reason why Fire Red & Leaf Green were created, to bring older games upto more modern systems and it's a similar scenario now with RSE. Take a look at Ruby & Sapphire's graphics, now compare them to Black & White 2's graphics.. it's just like comparing RBY to RSE, they need an upgrade and with the 3DS being introduced.. IMO it just puts it more in favour.
Basically this. Though most people would be like "well hurrr they remade it and now look at frlg they look like rse that means they need a remake too" sigh. I just will never understand the logic behind "we need to remake rby/frlg" but that's not the point of this thread. Though that's the argument you're gonna get about it when you say "look at RSE's graphics" unfortunately.

MiTjA July 14th, 2012 2:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7253731)
Unlikely but instead of remaking both RSE & FRLG, they could just remake Ruby & Sapphire then you could travel to Kanto afterwards, I know it's unlikely and wouldn't make sense in terms of time line etc but it would save some time and programming.

Also, for those who argue saying that all Hoenn Pokémon are obtainable therefore there is no need for remakes, that kinda defeats the point... Hoenn still needs an upgrade in terms of graphics no doubt about it, that's the primary reason why Fire Red & Leaf Green were created, to bring older games upto more modern systems and it's a similar scenario now with RSE.

Actually with FRLG, reintroducing old pokemon was still a major reason, since about 200 pokemon just weren't obtainable with no means to transfer them from gen 2.
So HGSS is the example you are looking for.

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7253731)
Take a look at Ruby & Sapphire's graphics, now compare them to Black & White 2's graphics.. it's just like comparing RBY to RSE, they need an upgrade and with the 3DS being introduced.. IMO it just puts it more in favour.

But.. FRLG graphics were the same as RSE. Meaning gen I plot/games, and gen III plot/games are equally outdated.

Of course Im not suggesting that there should be remakes of the remakes.

Olli July 14th, 2012 2:07 PM

There's also the possibility that they may let you travel to both Johto and Kanto. Team Rocket was the main villain of both first and second generation, and should represent both. Though the likeliness of that happening is questionable. I mean, the main thing they'd work on is of course the story and stuff of the remakes, but then they'd also need to add post-game side quests in the other regions and stuff, and that may take a lot of time. Though I think it's something a lot of fans would want to see.

blue July 14th, 2012 2:19 PM

I just can't see them remaking remakes, RSE is understadable but Red & Green have already been done, just because Ruby & Sapphire need remakes and FRLG were released around the same time doesn't mean that they should also be remade.. it's not a case of dates, it's a case of updating. We have Kanto in HGSS and the graphics for those two are highly acceptable to me, if that was the case come 2022 we would have something like 3 sets of remakes of the same game now doesn't that sound outlandish? They need to break out of the cycle at one point, like I say RS understandable but any further games are fine as they are.. for the time being anyway.
They can't just keep doing the same thing over and over, eventually fans will get tired of this remake system and demand something new and considering there have been two already I think only one more is necessary. They've shown what they can do with B2W2, we predicted a third game but they pulled out two direct sequels so it's just as likely they can come up with something different which would bring in more fans, money etc.

T!M July 14th, 2012 2:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Olli97 (Post 7253769)
There's also the possibility that they may let you travel to both Johto and Kanto. Team Rocket was the main villain of both first and second generation, and should represent both. Though the likeliness of that happening is questionable. I mean, the main thing they'd work on is of course the story and stuff of the remakes, but then they'd also need to add post-game side quests in the other regions and stuff, and that may take a lot of time. Though I think it's something a lot of fans would want to see.

I don't think allowing the player to travel to Kanto/Johto is physically possible. Unless they did a really long cruise section of the game.

Every region in the POKeMON franchise is set up on the map of our world's very own Japan. The Hoenn region is an island on the southern most point of japanese POKeMON country, where as Unova, Sinnoh, Kanto and Johto are all adjacent.

On another note, I'm confused, is this remake actually going to happen?

Sydian July 14th, 2012 2:27 PM

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On another note, I'm confused, is this remake actually going to happen?
Nothing has been confirmed. That's why the speculation in this thread is all over the walls in this thread with people referring to hints in BW and B2W2 and the timeline and legendary names and such. If they're ever confirmed, this thread's speculation will likely just turn into speculation on how things in the game will be, and not speculation as to will there be remakes. Hopefully that makes sense, lol.

T!M July 14th, 2012 2:32 PM

Well in any case, although I wouldn't agree with a remake, I wouldn't hesitate to buy the next installation.

blue July 14th, 2012 2:32 PM

Regardless of the discussion, if the day comes when remakes are announced I think I will literally jump for joy.

rocky505 July 14th, 2012 2:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Trainer Timothy (Post 7253789)
I don't think allowing the player to travel to Kanto/Johto is physically possible. Unless they did a really long cruise section of the game.

Every region in the POKeMON franchise is set up on the map of our world's very own Japan. The Hoenn region is an island on the southern most point of japanese POKeMON country, where as Unova, Sinnoh, Kanto and Johto are all adjacent.

On another note, I'm confused, is this remake actually going to happen?

Just to point out a mistake. Unova is based on new York not an area of Japan.

T!M July 14th, 2012 2:41 PM

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Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 7253813)
Just to point out a mistake. Unova is based on new York not an area of Japan.

That wasn't my point, I was saying that all the regions are located on a japan island mock up. And Hoenn was the one farthest from all the others.

Xander Olivieri July 14th, 2012 2:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7253783)
I just can't see them remaking remakes, RSE is understadable but Red & Green have already been done, just because Ruby & Sapphire need remakes and FRLG were released around the same time doesn't mean that they should also be remade.. it's not a case of dates, it's a case of updating. We have Kanto in HGSS and the graphics for those two are highly acceptable to me, if that was the case come 2022 we would have something like 3 sets of remakes of the same game now doesn't that sound outlandish? They need to break out of the cycle at one point, like I say RS understandable but any further games are fine as they are.. for the time being anyway.

We have Kanto in HG/SS Yes. but not Gen 1 nor Gen 1's Story which is only in R/B/Y/G/FR/LG. Remaking R/S/E for an update to the story and graphics goes hand in hand with remaking R/B/G again for updated story and graphic. It still turns to a case of dates. Both sets are outdated. And just because Kanto is in HG/SS, doesn't mean we can't have remakes of the first Generation again as the Kanto in HG/SS is not the same Kanto of FR/LG. The Characters change, there isn't any story to the Gen 2 Kanto, a lot of the general face of the region changes (Viridian Forest, Lavender Tower, Cinnabar Island).

The region itself doesn't mean anything. That's why i keep saying all the Valid reasons to remake R/S/E that they have can also be used for remaking R/B/G/Y again. Both are outdated, and unlike the time they remade both Gens 1 and 2,(And yes there was still reason to remake Gen 2, as far as I remember there were still some Gen 2 Pokemon missing from the active Pokedex outside of events) Remaking anything from now and further on in the years is purely for aesthetic enhancement as well as simple revival of older games for newer players to play up until the sever the older games again. In which case all games severed would receive remakes anyway.

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7253783)
They can't just keep doing the same thing over and over, eventually fans will get tired of this remake system and demand something new and considering there have been two already I think only one more is necessary. They've shown what they can do with B2W2, we predicted a third game but they pulled out two direct sequels so it's just as likely they can come up with something different which would bring in more fans, money etc.

Tell this to Mario, Zelda, Call of Duty, Final Fantasy, and all other big selling titles. All they do is pretty much rehash the same titles, in game systems, stories over and over again with new characters, slight tweeks, and new toys to play with in the games.

Even all the current Sports games which are HUGE in sales are just updated versions of the older games that are constantly being recycled. Its not going to stop the fans and by the time the older fans have gotten bored of it, the new fans will have out numbered them to more than make up in a drop of sales.



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Originally Posted by Trainer Timothy (Post 7253822)
That wasn't my point, I was saying that all the regions are located on a japan island mock up. And Hoenn was the one farthest from all the others.

Actually Sinnoh would be the furthest away if the regions are like Japan as the Fan made World map indicates.

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/b/b0/Pokemon-to-real-world.png

Based on real world locations, if its anything like the fan made map, Sinnoh would be the furthest away. Hoenn is very close to Johto, near the small Island that makes up Cianwood and the new area for the Safari Zone, also the area where Embedded Tower is, which makes so much sense to me now.

As for Unova, no its no where close to the Four older regions. The developers said that it is far far away from the regions themselves. So if you want a real world location, the four Japan theme'd regions make up Japan while Unova is at the States which makes it the furthest location on the map. It wouldn't even be on the immediate map.

T!M July 14th, 2012 2:48 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO
Tell this to Mario, Zelda, Call of Duty, Final Fantasy, and all other big selling titles. All they do is pretty much rehash the same titles, in game systems, stories over and over again with new characters, slight tweeks, and new toys to play with in the games.

Even all the current Sports games which are HUGE in sales are just updated versions of the older games that are constantly being recycled. Its not going to stop the fans and by the time the older fans have gotten bored of it, the new fans will have out numbered them to more than make up in a drop of sales.

This.

This is exactly what I'm talking about, the fact that games have become so concerned with money that they won't let something die. Granted POKeMON always has room for new things. But games like CoD, FF and Mario only repeat.

But that is besides the point.

I can't deny POKeMON though. I would buy a possible RSE remake at the time it hit the shelfs.

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Shyte, that's right, for some reason I thought Unova was on the very top, but it's Sinnoh, I believe Kanto is right below Unova, right?

But at any rate, Hoenn is still not hop-skip-and-a-jump away from Johto. Not as close as Kanto and Johto were...

MiTjA July 14th, 2012 3:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7253783)
I just can't see them remaking remakes

I cant either, thats the point Im trying to make :B

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7253783)
if that was the case come 2022 we would have something like 3 sets of remakes of the same game now doesn't that sound outlandish? They need to break out of the cycle at one point, like I say RS understandable but any further games are fine as they are.. for the time being anyway.

Exactly, we just disagree on when they should break out of the cycle.
(how far this remake concept makes sense to continue)
To you RS is understandable, to me GS was understandable.

Ive played both gen II and III when they came out, yet I only wanted II to be remade into the more comfortable style, while I feel III is still as enjoyable as it was then and the graphics update with just the special/physical split being the other hypothetical thing worth mentioning, simply not improving it enough for it to make serious sense.
RSE pretty much reinvented the main series and its game mechanics to the standard still in use today.

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7253783)

They can't just keep doing the same thing over and over, eventually fans will get tired of this remake system and demand something new and considering there have been two already I think only one more is necessary.

I AM tired of remakes, it is absolutely the time to replace "remakes" with at least "sequels" if not some more creative way to use the nostalgia.

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7253783)
They've shown what they can do with B2W2, we predicted a third game but they pulled out two direct sequels so it's just as likely they can come up with something different which would bring in more fans, money etc.

YES, it shall include Hoenn as the setting and fans should go wild.
I think any option would work just as well (probably better) as making the boring plain copy paste remakes weve seen till now.
Whether having Hoenn as the main place, or making a Johto-like region, with Hoenn as the post-game place, or who knows what.

I would be terribly disappointed by gamefreak if I saw announcement of same old RS remakes with lame plot changes to fix emerald issues e_e
And that should mean something from having been with this franchise all the way, rarely being disappointed by it, always looking forward to the next exciting surprises :E


@Timothy:
You got something wrong again, just look at the picture above your post. Unova shouldn't even be in the corner of your room.
But yes, Johto and Hoenn are not next to each other like Kanto/Johto, but at most you could squeeze a smaller region between them, which is an idea Ive explored in the past as part of my fakemon project :B
That area is a candidate for the hypothetical Hoenn complementing region.

T!M July 14th, 2012 3:46 PM

Oh so it is on a different continent. That blows.

RandomDSdevel July 14th, 2012 5:36 PM

So What?
 
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Originally Posted by Trainer Timothy (Post 7252752)
Then it's about the money, I just don't see the point in remaking the 3 games for any reason besides a nostalgia kick.

Can't I have my nostalgic moments of wishful thinking?

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7253783)
I just can't see them remaking remakes, RSE is understadable but Red & Green have already been done, just because Ruby & Sapphire need remakes and FRLG were released around the same time doesn't mean that they should also be remade.. it's not a case of dates, it's a case of updating. We have Kanto in HGSS and the graphics for those two are highly acceptable to me, if that was the case come 2022 we would have something like 3 sets of remakes of the same game now doesn't that sound outlandish? They need to break out of the cycle at one point, like I say RS understandable but any further games are fine as they are.. for the time being anyway.
They can't just keep doing the same thing over and over, eventually fans will get tired of this remake system and demand something new and considering there have been two already I think only one more is necessary. They've shown what they can do with B2W2, we predicted a third game but they pulled out two direct sequels so it's just as likely they can come up with something different which would bring in more fans, money etc.

Couldn't Nintendo just make FRLG available via their Virtual Console service? Let's get back to discussing the RSEmakes, OK?

T!M July 14th, 2012 5:54 PM

Alright, how's this for a question? In the event of a RSE Remake, what would you like to see changed from the original 3?

I personally, would prefer that they don't turn the POKeNAV into phone like in Emerald, I liked the original NAV from RS.

Sydian July 14th, 2012 8:07 PM

I would like the follow me feature to return as an option, I'd like the PokeNav to be the bottom screen function OR have a similar bottom screen to HGSS, add in the new evolutions to the Hoenn Dex (Dusknoir, Froslass, etc) as well as the Johto Pokemon that were added to the Safari Zone in Emerald post game, keep contests as they were in the original games, no Battle Tents, Emerald Battle Frontier, and I'd like something new done with Trainer Hill. I don't think anyone really cared for that, did they? I would like an entirely new function to replace the Trainer Hill. idk what, but they'll think of something, right? lol But that's all I can think of for now.

T!M July 14th, 2012 8:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sydian (Post 7254215)
no Battle Tents,

OMG Yes, this sucked. I never played really far into Emerald, did the Battle Tents completely replace the Contests? (Sorry for getting off track.)

Sydian July 14th, 2012 9:11 PM

No, the contests were moved to Lilycove, but I didn't like that. I thought it was cool in RS when you travel to each rank of the contests instead of having them bundled in one place, but maybe that's just me. If they do remake RS and implement things from Emerald though, Battle Tents are the last things I want. They're totally obsolete once you have access to the Frontier. Even Trainer Hills is better than the Tents. Even if they remake Emerald, I hope they don't have them. They're just pointless.

MiTjA July 15th, 2012 2:23 AM

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Originally Posted by RandomDSdevel (Post 7254045)
Couldn't Nintendo just make FRLG available via their Virtual Console service?

Couldn't Nintendo just make RSE available via their Virtual Console service?

Ba dum tsssss

blue July 15th, 2012 6:37 AM

There would be no point in putting RSE or FRLG in the E-Shop considering you can play both RSE & FRLG on the DS Lite which are pretty similar to the 3DS, the graphics would still be the exact same.

T!M July 15th, 2012 6:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7254706)
There would be no point in putting RSE or FRLG in the E-Shop considering you can play both RSE & FRLG on the DS Lite which are pretty similar to the 3DS, the graphics would still be the exact same.

I could see a point for users of the DSiXL, consoles without the GBA port... :/

MiTjA July 15th, 2012 7:03 AM

..........or the 3DS. lol

Kanto_Johto July 15th, 2012 7:46 AM

As much as I would love RSE remakes, I do agree that any reason to create RSE remakes is as good a reason to make FRLG remakes.

The truth is that remakes of FRLG would make GF piles of money, and we know that's they're main focus: to make games that are profitable. I said this in the Yellow remake thread - there are a large amount of people who played only the first games and are of the opinion that Pokemon "turned crap" after Gen I (which obviously isn't true). This means that even those who are no longer fans of the franchise will be more inclined to pick up these games purely out of nostalgia. It could even be a deciding factor for those who were unsure about purchasing a 3DS (i.e. it might persuade them to buy one).

I actually think that remakes of FRLG would actually sell better than remakes of RSE.

That being said, I would rather have RSE remakes. MiTjA does make a good point though. If FRLG appear on the virtual console, I'd expect RSE to be there too.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 15th, 2012 9:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Sydian (Post 7254215)
I would like the follow me feature to return as an option, I'd like the PokeNav to be the bottom screen function OR have a similar bottom screen to HGSS, add in the new evolutions to the Hoenn Dex (Dusknoir, Froslass, etc) as well as the Johto Pokemon that were added to the Safari Zone in Emerald post game, keep contests as they were in the original games, no Battle Tents, Emerald Battle Frontier, and I'd like something new done with Trainer Hill. I don't think anyone really cared for that, did they? I would like an entirely new function to replace the Trainer Hill. idk what, but they'll think of something, right? lol But that's all I can think of for now.

Perhaps they'll put the World Tournament in Place of Trainer hill, it'll seem like a good place, perhaps we can battle the enemy team there too?. (Also if they remake FrLG have them put the WT in the tower that was never
finished...)

blue July 15th, 2012 11:08 AM

I hope the World Tournament makes an appearence in more games, even though I haven't tried it I can imagine it would be awesome, or atleast one every generation to update the sprites.
About the Follow-Me feature, I would love to see that in RS remakes especially to see the Gen V Pokémon! Hopefully it's something that is exclusive to remakes excluding FRLG.

RandomDSdevel July 15th, 2012 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Trainer Timothy (Post 7254081)
Alright, how's this for a question? In the event of a RSE Remake, what would you like to see changed from the original 3?

I personally, would prefer that they don't turn the POKeNAV into phone like in Emerald, I liked the original NAV from RS.

I actually want them to keep all of the electronic accessories integrated into a single device–i.e.: a new version of the PokéGear–like they did for everything except the PokéDex and the Vs. Recorder in G/S/C/HG/SS

crystalzapdos July 15th, 2012 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JayTheKing (Post 7253641)
I would love to get an Emerald Remake!
And i would also love to be able to walk along with the first pokemon in the party like in HG & SS

Personally, I hated the feature. I don't care if it comes back, they just need to make it optional. I don't see why they just didn't do that in HG/SS.

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Originally Posted by Olli97 (Post 7253769)
There's also the possibility that they may let you travel to both Johto and Kanto. Team Rocket was the main villain of both first and second generation, and should represent both. Though the likeliness of that happening is questionable. I mean, the main thing they'd work on is of course the story and stuff of the remakes, but then they'd also need to add post-game side quests in the other regions and stuff, and that may take a lot of time. Though I think it's something a lot of fans would want to see.

No, just no. We won't get another region post-game, except maybe a Sevii-Islands type place.

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7253783)

They can't just keep doing the same thing over and over, eventually fans will get tired of this remake system and demand something new and considering there have been two already I think only one more is necessary. They've shown what they can do with B2W2, we predicted a third game but they pulled out two direct sequels so it's just as likely they can come up with something different which would bring in more fans, money etc.

I'm not quite following your logic here. How is a RSE remake necessary because theres already two remakes?

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7254706)
There would be no point in putting RSE or FRLG in the E-Shop considering you can play both RSE & FRLG on the DS Lite which are pretty similar to the 3DS, the graphics would still be the exact same.

I don't understand this either. So what if you can play them on the DS Lite? You can play lots a games on your DS Lite, whats your point?

blue July 15th, 2012 1:50 PM

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Originally Posted by crystalzapdos (Post 7255123)
I'm not quite following your logic here. How is a RSE remake necessary because theres already two remakes?

I'm not basing it off the fact that there have been two previous remakes, I'm basing it off the reason of the previous two remakes, graphics... Diamond & Pearl's graphics are fine so there is no need to remake those two, Ruby & Sapphire on the other hand aren't so great, that's the reason why I think remakes for those two are necessary.

wombateiro July 15th, 2012 1:54 PM

Almost all Gym Leaders in Emerald have one Pokemon more than in R/S. It's interesting that Emerald is the only third version with that kind of addition, it's kinda like Challenge Mode in B2/W2. I mean that in remakes they can use Gym Leaders teams from original R/S in Normal mode and teams from Emerald in Challenge mode, of course with higher levels than in Emerald.

RandomDSdevel July 15th, 2012 2:03 PM

Virtual Console…or eShop?
 
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Originally Posted by Kanto_Johto (Post 7254804)
As much as I would love RSE remakes, I do agree that any reason to create RSE remakes is as good a reason to make FRLG remakes.

I actually think that remakes of FRLG would actually sell better than remakes of RSE.

That being said, I would rather have RSE remakes. MiTjA does make a good point though. If FRLG appear on the virtual console, I'd expect RSE to be there too.

Can we just post anything having to do with FRLG remakes on the thread reserved for it? As much as I would like to play every single one of my games, including FireRed and other Pokémon games, the purpose of this thread is to discuss RSE remakes. But before I close, both sets of remakes could be released simultaneously both on the Nintendo eShop if they were both to be for the Nintendo 3DS because of how all Nintendo games will be released this way after August 19th (in North America, that is…)

Kanto_Johto July 15th, 2012 2:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RandomDSdevel (Post 7255242)
Can we just post anything having to do with FRLG remakes on the thread reserved for it? As much as I would like to play every single one of my games, including FireRed and other Pokémon games, the purpose of this thread is to discuss RSE remakes. But before I close, both sets of remakes could be released simultaneously both on the Nintendo eShop if they were both to be for the Nintendo 3DS because of how all Nintendo games will be released this way after August 19th (in North America, that is…)

You mean the thread that I made?

The point of my post (any reason for RSE remakes are as good for FRLG remakes) was relevant to RSE remakes so it fits in this thread too.

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7255228)
I'm not basing it off the fact that there have been two previous remakes, I'm basing it off the reason of the previous two remakes, graphics... Diamond & Pearl's graphics are fine so there is no need to remake those two, Ruby & Sapphire on the other hand aren't so great, that's the reason why I think remakes for those two are necessary.

Outdated graphics are not a reason to remake a game, in my opinion. FRLG and HGSS made sense because it was literally impossible to trade/migrate any of your older Pokemon to gens 3 and 4.

rocky505 July 15th, 2012 5:53 PM

It was not impossible to migrate to gen 4. Frlg were the only remakes needed for obtainable Pokemon. Hgss was because of people going nuts wanting it and for it to have updated graphics.

Aerinoctis July 15th, 2012 9:50 PM

Found this randomly while browsing 4chan and fell in love with it. This seems like the best place to post it, but I just hope that the inevitable remakes look something like this:


wombateiro July 16th, 2012 5:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Aerinoctis (Post 7255741)
Found this randomly while browsing 4chan and fell in love with it. This seems like the best place to post it, but I just hope that the inevitable remakes look something like this:


Yes, they should wear swimsuits in remakes, just like protagonists from B2/W2, because Hoenn is even more tropical than Unova in B2/W2. Interesting thing is that even in swimsuits their designs wouldn't look much different from Emerald designs, so maybe they were planned to wear swimsuits already in Emerald, but it was decided to be saved for remakes.

MiTjA July 16th, 2012 9:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Aerinoctis (Post 7255741)
I just hope that the inevitable remakes look something like this:

They are not inevitable. I would argue that releasing any other kind of main game (completely new places, or resuing old places with new settings, sequels...) would be much more interesting in every way, and make at least as much money as boring remakes.

seeker July 16th, 2012 9:19 AM

I do think they Nintendo will promote a sequel, or even a prequel to Hoenn's generation before they consider doing a remake. I don't think they'll do another remake so soon. A sequel seems a lot more likely and unpredictable.

C Payne July 16th, 2012 10:19 AM

A sequel is probably the last thing they'd do before a remake. It'd be really odd to have one just show up near 10 years(in real time) after the originals are released. Even if they did one, why wouldn't it show up after, in order?

I'm not against a sequel, I just personally would be more interested in one if we got the updated RS(E) originals before any sequel popped out.

voicerocker July 16th, 2012 10:59 AM

I doubt Hoenn will get a sequel because Gen 3 was not designed for sequels. In B/W, we were only told about Reshiram and Zekrom, while Kyurem's story was saved for the sequels. Rayquaza's story was told in the 3rd version of Gen 3, so why would they go with sequels if the Groudon vs. Kyogre battle has already happened? It would make little sense to just have those events happen again when the intent was to tell the whole story back on the GBA. So if Hoenn appears in another game, I feel it would be plain remakes. Gen 5 was made to be finished with sequels, even though that wasn't their original plan.

RandomDSdevel July 16th, 2012 12:02 PM

Hoenn Revisitation Timeline Placement
 
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Originally Posted by Abnegation (Post 7256318)
I do think they Nintendo will promote a sequel, or even a preque to Hoenn's generation before they consider doing a remake.

Yeah; releasing a prequel to RSE might get rid of how these games reset the Polémon franchise by discontinuing connectivity with its previous generations if that prequel clarified the relationship between Kanto, Johto, and Hoenn. After all, this kind of reset ended up being reserved for Polémon Black Version and Polémon White Version because of how it resides on a different continent than all of the previous main regions. But I really want Nintendo to have GameFreak remake our original journeys through Hoenn first.

P.S. @Kanto_Johto: Yes, I meant that thread, and I've even started posting on it.

wombateiro July 16th, 2012 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by voicerocker (Post 7256430)
I doubt Hoenn will get a sequel because Gen 3 was not designed for sequels. In B/W, we were only told about Reshiram and Zekrom, while Kyurem's story was saved for the sequels. Rayquaza's story was told in the 3rd version of Gen 3, so why would they go with sequels if the Groudon vs. Kyogre battle has already happened? It would make little sense to just have those events happen again when the intent was to tell the whole story back on the GBA. So if Hoenn appears in another game, I feel it would be plain remakes. Gen 5 was made to be finished with sequels, even though that wasn't their original plan.

I agree, Hoenn has nothing left for sequels. On the other hand, it has potential of many things to be added in remakes, like new post-game islands and events.

It must be noticed that sequel stories are made only for regions with connection to solid land, because it gives opportunity to start sequel story in new place - Kanto got story continuation in neighboring Johto. Unova got sequels because of having solid land not included in original B/W. Hoenn and Sinnoh are islands - there is nowhere to make new beginning in those regions. There are also no legendaries left in those regions to make sequels.

Twilight-kun July 16th, 2012 12:47 PM

Gen V is a reboot of the series, taking place far beyond Kanto, Johto, Hoenn and Sinnoh

as for "There's nothing new to add to Ruby and Sapphire" that is complete bull

Crystal added the Battle Tower, Emerald added the Battle Frontier, Platinum and HG/SS added Frontiers to their regions

I, for one, would like to see the Hoenn Frontier re-imagined

however, I would prefer that all new pokemon from Gen IV&V only appear post-game, much like B/W

seeing a Patrat or Bidoof would be rather stupid since we've already got an infestation of Zigzagoons

voicerocker July 16th, 2012 1:16 PM

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7256540)
I agree, Hoenn has nothing left for sequels. On the other hand, it has potential of many things to be added in remakes, like new post-game islands and events.

It must be noticed that sequel stories are made only for regions with connection to solid land, because it gives opportunity to start sequel story in new place - Kanto got story continuation in neighboring Johto. Unova got sequels because of having solid land not included in original B/W. Hoenn and Sinnoh are islands - there is nowhere to make new beginning in those regions. There are also no legendaries left in those regions to make sequels.

Of course, surely we'll see a few new places, just like in FR/LG and HG/SS. But no major changes will be made. Gen 1 and 2 remakes were pretty much the exact same region and story from the originals, so if they remake Gen 3, we can expect the same.

But I don't think it has anything to do with them being connected to land or not. Kanto got the Sevii Islands, which were not technically a part of Kanto if I remember correctly, like how the Sinjoh Ruins were not part of Johto. The new routes in B2W2 make sense because 2 years have gone by. We'll probably see new areas, but not a "new" Hoenn.

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Originally Posted by Twilight-kun (Post 7256568)
Gen V is a reboot of the series, taking place far beyond Kanto, Johto, Hoenn and Sinnoh

as for "There's nothing new to add to Ruby and Sapphire" that is complete bull

I was refering to Legends specifically related to Hoenn, like Groudon Kyogre and Rayquaza. Their stories and purposes have been told. Though, I could see Regigigas being included (though he and the other Regis were in B2W2). But the story of the main Hoenn Legends has been told.

I was only talking about the storyline.

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Originally Posted by Twilight-kun (Post 7256568)
however, I would prefer that all new pokemon from Gen IV&V only appear post-game, much like B/W

seeing a Patrat or Bidoof would be rather stupid since we've already got an infestation of Zigzagoons

They would do this because they did it with Kanto and Johto. Pokemon that weren't originally avaiable in the first games were saved for after you become Champion.


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