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MiTjA July 16th, 2012 1:30 PM

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Originally Posted by C Payne (Post 7256382)
A sequel is probably the last thing they'd do before a remake. It'd be really odd to have one just show up near 10 years(in real time) after the originals are released. Even if they did one, why wouldn't it show up after, in order?

I'm not against a sequel, I just personally would be more interested in one if we got the updated RS(E) originals before any sequel popped out.

Sequel isn't exclusively the type of game BW2 are to BW.
Think what Johto was to Kanto.
The difference is that GS was extending gen 1 in terms of pokemon, while BW2 focused on finishing the plot of BW2 with barely new designs.

Obviously they don't have to pick between something they have done before.
They would do what would fit the situation.
In case of Hoenn, of course a "BW2" doesn't make sense, unless they pulled some silly forme business on the main legends...

But a Johto-like.....bonus generation for Hoenn, would be quite interesting.
As its been so long, they wouldn't even need to make up a second connected region for that, as Hoenn is reasonable to have changes and new places a decade later.

It sounds like an obvious "beating 2 flies with one strike" case to me.
They would milk the Hoenn nostalgia, but still be offering a new game at the same time.

So in short, with sequel I mean anything between the "BW2" and "Johto" concepts.

wombateiro July 16th, 2012 2:25 PM

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Originally Posted by voicerocker (Post 7256603)
But I don't think it has anything to do with them being connected to land or not. Kanto got the Sevii Islands, which were not technically a part of Kanto if I remember correctly, like how the Sinjoh Ruins were not part of Johto. The new routes in B2W2 make sense because 2 years have gone by. We'll probably see new areas, but not a "new" Hoenn.

Connection to land is actually the most important thing in making sequels because new home town of protagonist needs to be on solid land. They made sequel for Unova because it had solid land not used in original B/W. Hoenn is clearly incapable of having new home town for sequels, because we can clearly see on map it has no connection to any unused land.
Sevii Islands and Sinjoh Ruins have nothing to do with it because they aren't starting locations. They are extra locations. Hoenn will obviously get some new extra locations as well in remakes, most likely islands.

C Payne July 16th, 2012 2:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7256626)
Sequel isn't exclusively the type of game BW2 are to BW.
Think what Johto was to Kanto.
The difference is that GS was extending gen 1 in terms of pokemon, while BW2 focused on finishing the plot of BW2 with barely new designs.

Obviously they don't have to pick between something they have done before.
They would do what would fit the situation.
In case of Hoenn, of course a "BW2" doesn't make sense, unless they pulled some silly forme business on the main legends...

But a Johto-like.....bonus generation for Hoenn, would be quite interesting.
As its been so long, they wouldn't even need to make up a second connected region for that, as Hoenn is reasonable to have changes and new places a decade later.

It sounds like an obvious "beating 2 flies with one strike" case to me.
They would milk the Hoenn nostalgia, but still be offering a new game at the same time.

So in short, with sequel I mean anything between the "BW2" and "Johto" concepts.

It wouldn't really milk the nostalgia unless they had both the original and sequel released(to bring Hoenn, in general, out into modern standards; the only region yet to see this), only the former would really bring that out.

I admit that I didn't think about what you are mentioning though; that could have potential, although I doubt they'd be that distant in the future(real time has little to do with game time in this case).

Xander Olivieri July 16th, 2012 3:08 PM

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7256690)
Connection to land is actually the most important thing in making sequels because new home town of protagonist needs to be on solid land. They made sequel for Unova because it had solid land not used in original B/W. Hoenn is clearly incapable of having new home town for sequels, because we can clearly see on map it has no connection to any unused land.
Sevii Islands and Sinjoh Ruins have nothing to do with it because they aren't starting locations. They are extra locations. Hoenn will obviously get some new extra locations as well in remakes, most likely islands.

...No it isn't. You don't seem to know what makes a Sequel. If they wanted to they could make a Sequel of any Pokemon Generation that they wanted to. There are no special rules to making a sequel.

There was no prior knowledge of a region outside of Kanto when Johto and gen 2 was made. There was no prior knowledge that B2W2 would come out. There was nothing connecting them from then until the sequels came out.

All a sequel is, is a continuation of the story. ALL the Pokemon games CLOSE the story at the end of their respective titles, so everyone is wrong in relation to the story for ANY of the generations.

Kanto's story was done. They closed it with Giovanni's leaving after the Gym Battle.

Johto's reinclusion of Team Rocket was pretty random at the time, but an amazing addition to the story set. Again, the story itself closed after you beat Team Rocket and beat Red.

Hoenn's story closed after you defeated the legend. Both "Evil" (I have in quotes cause Magma and Aqua were really just extreme PETA/Naturalists. They were hardly evil unlike the other three teams.) teams recognized the errors of their ways and simply disbanded.

Sinnoh's story ends after you beat the Box Legend at the top of Spear Pillar cause that's when you beat sense into Cyrus and he disappears. Platinum only extends the story slightly to the Battle Island place where the Three commanders simply get bored of what they were doing and just leave.

Unova Pre-B2W2's story ENDED when N recognized the Player's Truth/Ideal and discovers Ghetsis's betrayal. The story for Unova was over as N flew after apologizing and saying he was going look for another method.

Unova B2W2 A spin reintroduction to Plasma who had effectively disbanded and like with all Main bosses, the leader disappeared, only Ghetsis returned. (If you did Looker's side quest at the end of B/W all of the Sages minus Ghetsis were arrested so there was full closure for the story. They revived the story and added an annex to it with Kyurem who wasn't part of the story from the original and not related to the two box legends in the original set of games.


They revived two teams already who's stories were closed at the end of their respective games. They can EASILY BS a reason to revive Magma/Aqua with different goal because unlike B/W you were not Forced to CATCH the Mascot meaning that they could have left after being defeated, which they do if you choose not to catch them. They could even bring in another team for the sequels that are after Rayquaza and attempt to awaken it by awakening Groudon/Kyogre and repeat Aqua/Magma's steps to awakening the Contenental and Deep Sea Pokemon.

There are a multitude of possibilities to continue Kyogre and Groudon's battle. Heck if they wanted two it can just be two warring factions who want to see which is better, land or sea. A set of teams that fight for the love of fighting and don't care who gets hurt along the way.

Sequels are easily doable just as much as remakes are. And no they don't have to come right after their original games. Many companies can make games far apart and on different systems if they wanted. Look at FF12. It had a sequel for the Nintendo DS. Legend of Zelda's time line is sporadic and doesn't follow game release. The newest game is the Prelude to all current Zelda games so far and the one before that was the last installment to one branch created by Ocarina of Time.

Now do I believe we'd get a sequel instead of a remake? No
Would I like a sequel instead of a remake? No not really
Do I want a Remake at all? Eventually yes, but long after the DS series is dead. Cause then I can get a RF/LG rehash as well.
Do I think there is a Remake on its way? Yes. Not this year, but Next year if a new Generation doesn't rear its ugly head.

Things I'd like to see in the Remake:

Secret Bases with better Decorating ability. R/S/E's Secret Bases were awesome and easily the thing I liked the most next to Pokemon Contests. I was disappointed in the limitation for the Secret bases though and hope they approve upon it. Though seeing as Decorating was removed from G/S's remake (which greatly disappointed me) I have high doubts my favorite system will return.

Contests. IMPROVED Contests. Like more artistic Flare in it if at all possible. Loved the contests. Was so sad how it devolved in Emerald to just Lilycove, and Sinnoh's Contests only being in Hearthome was disheartening as well. Full removal of the Contest stats in B/W and B2W2 leaves me to believe that like with Secret Bases, Contests may not make a reappearence and would be replaced by something else.

What I would Not like to reappear:

Battle Frontier Tents. Useless. That's all they were.

Kinda pretty much it.

MiTjA July 16th, 2012 3:49 PM

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7256690)
Connection to land is actually the most important thing in making sequels because new home town of protagonist needs to be on solid land. They made sequel for Unova because it had solid land not used in original B/W. Hoenn is clearly incapable of having new home town for sequels, because we can clearly see on map it has no connection to any unused land.
Sevii Islands and Sinjoh Ruins have nothing to do with it because they aren't starting locations. They are extra locations. Hoenn will obviously get some new extra locations as well in remakes, most likely islands.

It would be as simple as adding a town in some random corner, or heck if a decade has passed, they could as well just use...Verdanturf as the starting town, making you take a different path.
With bigger screens, the map would be bigger and had much more room to add more places than the original Hoenn map in RSE.

C Payne July 16th, 2012 5:08 PM

I wasn't saying a sequel would have to be right after the originals, I just see it unlikely in this case. I was more referring to how it would make sense to have the remakes and then a sequel, so everyone is pretty much on the same footing(assuming some newer fans haven't gotten around to the past games yet).

Anyways, secret bases and the original contests(with some tweaks) better make an appearance...they kind of helped make Hoenn...Hoenn. It did bother me when they were all jumbled at Lilycove, it made more sense to have them spread apart so you can join different ones during your travels.

I wonder how they will manage Mirage Island this time; it was good to have it as some rare occurence, but it would be nice if we had a better chance at getting there.

Btw, does anyone think they will improve on Altering Cave? If 3DS enabled, StreetPass would be perfect for something like that.

wombateiro July 17th, 2012 1:40 AM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7256730)
...No it isn't. You don't seem to know what makes a Sequel. If they wanted to they could make a Sequel of any Pokemon Generation that they wanted to. There are no special rules to making a sequel.

They revived two teams already who's stories were closed at the end of their respective games. They can EASILY BS a reason to revive Magma/Aqua with different goal because unlike B/W you were not Forced to CATCH the Mascot meaning that they could have left after being defeated, which they do if you choose not to catch them. They could even bring in another team for the sequels that are after Rayquaza and attempt to awaken it by awakening Groudon/Kyogre and repeat Aqua/Magma's steps to awakening the Contenental and Deep Sea Pokemon.

There are a multitude of possibilities to continue Kyogre and Groudon's battle. Heck if they wanted two it can just be two warring factions who want to see which is better, land or sea. A set of teams that fight for the love of fighting and don't care who gets hurt along the way.

You say that not being forced to catch legendaries in R/S/E is reason for sequel. It can be said otherwise. Being forced to catch legendary is reason for sequel. Look at B/W - player was forced to catch one of legendaries and N caught another one. It was done to continue story in B2/W2. No other game forced player to catch any legendary, therefore no of them got sequel instead of third version.

Sequel is made only when there is something left to make it. Unova got sequel because it had extra land for new cities, and third mascot story to be told. Hoenn has nothing of those things left. Also, Aqua/Magma disbanded forever because they saw their actions don't make sense at all. Team Rocket and Plasma were revived because they didn't realize that and wanted to try again.

Reusing legendaries which were all already featured is nonsense. It would be nothing but slightly altered original story. Third team going after Rayquaza is also nonsense. What they would want? Expand the sky? It doesn't even sound sensible.

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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7256770)
It would be as simple as adding a town in some random corner, or heck if a decade has passed, they could as well just use...Verdanturf as the starting town, making you take a different path.
With bigger screens, the map would be bigger and had much more room to add more places than the original Hoenn map in RSE.

Again, what random corner if Hoenn has no corners left? Using already featured town like Verdanturf is not likely because starting town always is the new one.

MiTjA July 17th, 2012 3:46 AM

BW was made with BW2 in mind that is clear. Hoenn was not made with sequels in mind that is clear too. But that does not prevent them from doing whatever they want, if they see it fit.

And if they did, they don't have to obey any other "rules" either. It could be sequels in the sense of GS, just with the setting still being Hoenn, meaning new pokemon popping up and a dozen new locations.

Im curious whether they would do something interesting with that small icy cave in Shoal Cave if they took that route.

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7257399)
Again, what random corner if Hoenn has no corners left? Using already featured town like Verdanturf is not likely because starting town always is the new one.

South of Route 118 on that close unused island.
Northeast of Petalburg
South of Fallarbor
North of Route 121
East of Route 123
Or along any existing route if they wanted.

Those would be potential places looking at the GBA map. However as the map would be bigger, they could put it anywhere that's not in the middle of the ocean.

wombateiro July 17th, 2012 9:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7257501)
BW was made with BW2 in mind that is clear. Hoenn was not made with sequels in mind that is clear too. But that does not prevent them from doing whatever they want, if they see it fit.

And if they did, they don't have to obey any other "rules" either. It could be sequels in the sense of GS, just with the setting still being Hoenn, meaning new pokemon popping up and a dozen new locations.

Im curious whether they would do something interesting with that small icy cave in Shoal Cave if they took that route.



South of Route 118 on that close unused island.
Northeast of Petalburg
South of Fallarbor
North of Route 121
East of Route 123
Or along any existing route if they wanted.

Those would be potential places looking at the GBA map. However as the map would be bigger, they could put it anywhere that's not in the middle of the ocean.

To make sequel they need one big space for some new cities and routes next to each other, not small areas you mentioned. Anyway, they can't put new cities/towns in every unused area because there has to be some space between locations to make them separated from each other. That's why every region have unused areas, Unova still has them even after extension in B2/W2. It's far more likely that Hoenn was made with remakes in mind, not sequels.

Before HG/SS, Johto looked like it could have new cities because of huge land connection on the west, but no cities were added, only cave entrance, two routes, Safari Zone and Battle Frontier. If they refused to make new cities on the west of Johto, I highly doubt if there will be any new city in Hoenn.

Xander Olivieri July 17th, 2012 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7257946)
To make sequel they need one big space for some new cities and routes next to each other, not small areas you mentioned. Anyway, they can't put new cities/towns in every unused area because there has to be some space between locations to make them separated from each other. That's why every region have unused areas, Unova still has them even after extension in B2/W2. It's far more likely that Hoenn was made with remakes in mind, not sequels.

Again no they do not. There are no rules for Sequels. They could just reuse Hoenn as it currently is with no new cities at all. a Sequel is just the continuation of the story.

You also contradicted yourself.

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Anyway, they can't put new cities/towns in every unused area because there has to be some space between locations to make them separated from each other.
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That's why every region have unused areas, Unova still has them even after extension in B2/W2.
They can't use unused space but they need unused space?

B2W2 really didn't follow this. The airport town, Rebirth Mountain, the new 8th Gym city. Those are all within a very small section around Undella bay and there wasn't that much space there.

There is a lot of unused space in Hoenn, they could even extend some small parts or blow up the map a bit more to show more spacing between cities and major location.

Course as I said, they don't even NEED to do any of that for Sequels. All they'd have to do is change how some of the cities look. Upgrade or demolish, which ever they feel would fit their needs best.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 17th, 2012 10:32 AM

I think they'll add new areas but not for the sake of sequels. I really don't know what they would do if they do sequels instead of remakes...I mean the two evil leaders gave up their goals and actually learned their mistakes unlike Giovanni, Cyrus, Ghetsis, and N (who in a way still wants to seperate pokemon from humans). Hoenn always seemed like a one shot to me.

Xander Olivieri July 17th, 2012 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7258053)
I think they'll add new areas but not for the sake of sequels. I really don't know what they would do if they do sequels instead of remakes...I mean the two evil leaders gave up their goals and actually learned their mistakes unlike Giovanni, Cyrus, Ghetsis, and N (who in a way still wants to seperate pokemon from humans). Hoenn always seemed like a one shot to me.

Like I said someone else could revive Magma/Aqua with the same ideals but a different way to control Groudon/Kyogre, possibly creating a new Item just for them, like how almost ALL the other (box) Legends have Items specifically for them.

Though maybe they could go a general "Evil" team this time and make a team that simply wants to destroy the region and remake it again using Kyogre/Groudon. Both could be used for the Mass Destruction purpose, almost better than the Space/Time/Void trio and the Tao Duo Dragons (I still wait for canon proof that Kyurem is more than just some Mew/Ditto relation to Reshiram/Zekrom. It being a Space Leech thing doesn't help....PokeCell wannabe.) They could literally destroy the regions just being awake.

wombateiro July 17th, 2012 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7258091)
Like I said someone else could revive Magma/Aqua with the same ideals but a different way to control Groudon/Kyogre, possibly creating a new Item just for them, like how almost ALL the other (box) Legends have Items specifically for them.

Though maybe they could go a general "Evil" team this time and make a team that simply wants to destroy the region and remake it again using Kyogre/Groudon. Both could be used for the Mass Destruction purpose, almost better than the Space/Time/Void trio and the Tao Duo Dragons (I still wait for canon proof that Kyurem is more than just some Mew/Ditto relation to Reshiram/Zekrom. It being a Space Leech thing doesn't help....PokeCell wannabe.) They could literally destroy the regions just being awake.

It would be almost the same thing like original Ruby and Sapphire but with more evil teams. Proper sequel needs to be better than that. It's doubtful if it will be ever made.

And think about it - how could someone remake the world if everything would destroyed by drought/flood? It doesn't make sense. If it would make sense, Magma/Aqua would be pure evil in original games. That's why Magma/Aqua were more composed compared to other teams. And that's why they didn't want to totally dry/flood world because they knew it would be impossible to change world after that.

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7258033)
You also contradicted yourself.

They can't use unused space but they need unused space?

B2W2 really didn't follow this. The airport town, Rebirth Mountain, the new 8th Gym city. Those are all within a very small section around Undella bay and there wasn't that much space there.

How did I contradict myself? I said they can't put too much cities in unused areas because they need to keep some distance between already existing cities.

Look at map of old Unova from B/W. Free areas were bigger compared to those in other regions. Unova is the only region so far designed to have new cities in sequels. Other regions are too crowded already.

Xander Olivieri July 17th, 2012 2:08 PM

You said that Hoenn can't use the unused areas, but then turn around and say within the same paragraph that the point of leaving unused areas on the map would be for expansion.

How can they expand if they can't use the Unused areas that they purposefully left on the map for Expansion?

Also Hoenn's Map is zoomed further out if you read the posts instead of picking out of them. If they ZOOMED Hoenn's Map in there is ample space between locations, especially if they use B/W's style maps that show detail on them rather than topography.


As for the Sequel...Team Rocket in G/S wasn't "better" than Team Rocket from R/B/Y/G. In fact they were a small pathetic fragment.

And really you argue sensible logic over the already established Magic Logic Pokemon used TWICE. Palkia/Dialga were going to simply destroy the reality they were already in and create a new one. HOW is THAT more plausable than threatening to destroy a region through Flooding/Volcano to make a new region that much off base? And yes it actually is a bit more possible.

Islands that have civilizations destroyed through Tsunamis and Volcanic eruptions every few centuries. After a while the water recedes or the plant life regrows on its own and the Island become re-inhabited by people that find it only to have the cycle repeat itself later down the line until the Volcano dies. Its the same basis as what Magma/Aqua were trying to do, though they just sugar coated it, thinking it wouldn't be as destructive as it was. Yes it would be a rough Carbon Copy of the original Plasma, but then again, Team Rocket in G/S/C was a rough (albiet pathetic) Carbon Copy of Team Rocket from R/B/Y/G. Team Plasma from B/W is a Carbon Copy of Team Rocket, mixed with Team Galactic's ideas, under the disguise of Team Aqua/Magma.

Team Plasma wanted to become the Rulers of the world (Rocket/Ghetsis), N wanted to create a New World where Pokemon were free of Humans (Galactic's Recreate the World), and were doing so under the disguise that it was "good for the Pokemon" (Aqua/Magma's Logic for Expanding the Sea/Land).

Spoiler:
They even continue with two of the functions for New Plasma and the last one for the Old Plasma


Even in the Sequels all they did was recycle the same team with the same goals, using the same methods they did in the past. Why wouldn't that be possible in a Seequel for R/S? Its been done that way twice now, if a Sequel were to happen, then there is a good chance it'll happen again.

avolonsaber July 17th, 2012 2:40 PM

Wall of text incoming!

I have no doubts Ruby/Sapphire will be getting remade, and here's the three reasons why with some explanations:

1. It'll bring in lots of money, probably without costing them a lot.

Although Ruby/Sapphire didn't bring in the most money out of the main-series games, they still brought in millions of dollars. There's no way Pokemon games cost as much money to make as a game like Halo or CoD, plus they already have the Black 2/White 2 engine to tweak and or build off of. If they remade Ruby/Sapphire and the games only sold 6 million worldwide Gamefreak would probably break more then even.

2. There's a demand for them.

This one is pretty self-explanatory. Lots of people, myself included, love Hoenn and want to see it remade with b-e-a-utiful graphics and story tweaks. Yes, you can still get all your Hoenn Pokemon onto your Gen 4/Gen 5 games, but you have to have a DS Lite. If you don't you're out of luck, and even if you still do, it's a tedious process.

3. It would follow "tradition" or the "pattern", whatever you wanna call it.

Red, Green, and Blue are new games, the start of the series, Yellow is the third version. Gold and Silver are new, Crystal is the third version. Consider them as sequels, though. Next up are Ruby and Sapphire, new games. FireRed and LeafGreen are next, which are 1st Gen remakes, then Emerald, the third Hoenn game. Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum come out, then HG/SS, the 2nd Gen remakes. Black and White make their debut, they're new AND the reboots of the series, it was confirmed that's what they were supposed to be. Their sequels are announced next. So, it goes like this:

New games > (indirect)Sequels > New games/Remakes > New games/Remakes > New games(reboots) > Sequels

What's left to complete the pattern? New games, and remakes! Those remakes being Ruby/Sapphire remakes. Then again, my established pattern is as easily dismissible as anyone else's, lol. They'll make them, I'm sure of it, and I can't wait for it to finally happen.

Also, we all know there's references to past regions in newer games, as well as possible hints to remakes, here's one from Black 2/White 2:

Spoiler:
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/2029/1342467479855.jpg
That's the World Tournament building. Look at the roof. It looks like a Kyogre, doesn't it? Also, the flags by the entrance. A red flag(Ruby), and blueish one(Sapphire). There's also the "Emerald" walk way between the flags, like Rayquaza coming in-between Groundon and Kyogre. That one might be a bit much, though. Lol.

Kanto_Johto July 17th, 2012 3:09 PM

As far as "hints" go, have Game Freak ever admitted to purposely implementing hints to remakes in other games within the same generation? Such as those that were pointed out in D/P/Pt signalling G/S remakes? If not then all "hints" picked up on by fans from BW/B2W2 "signalling" R/S/E remakes are made entirely redundant, in my opinion.

MiTjA July 17th, 2012 3:13 PM

That resembles Kyogre as much as Wooper.

Kanto_Johto July 17th, 2012 3:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7258433)
That resembles Kyogre as much as Wooper.

Or Stunfisk.......

OMG BW remayks iminent u guise!

wombateiro July 18th, 2012 3:08 AM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7258347)
Even in the Sequels all they did was recycle the same team with the same goals, using the same methods they did in the past. Why wouldn't that be possible in a Seequel for R/S? Its been done that way twice now, if a Sequel were to happen, then there is a good chance it'll happen again.

Problem is that Team Rocket was revived in new region (Johto). Team Plasma was revived with two factions, one of them was completely new, and new Pokemon (Kyurem) in possession. See what I mean? Both of those teams were revived with something new. In Aqua/Magma case, nothing would be new. Same region and same Pokemon in possession. That's not good enough for sequel imo.

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7258347)
You said that Hoenn can't use the unused areas, but then turn around and say within the same paragraph that the point of leaving unused areas on the map would be for expansion.

How can they expand if they can't use the Unused areas that they purposefully left on the map for Expansion?

To begin with, I said only about Unova that it had vast of unused space left to be used in B2/W2, the same like Kanto had before introduction of Johto in G/S. And yes, even after expansions Kanto and Unova still have plenty of unused space. Hoenn or Sinnoh would be too crowded after addition of new cities.

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Originally Posted by Kanto_Johto (Post 7258427)
As far as "hints" go, have Game Freak ever admitted to purposely implementing hints to remakes in other games within the same generation? Such as those that were pointed out in D/P/Pt signalling G/S remakes? If not then all "hints" picked up on by fans from BW/B2W2 "signalling" R/S/E remakes are made entirely redundant, in my opinion.

How Game Freak could ever admit they put hints in games? They won't admit it, the same like they won't tell what game they are working on now. Until official announcement of course. Btw, hints for G/S remakes turned out to be accurate.

MiTjA July 18th, 2012 5:26 AM

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7259010)
Problem is that Team Rocket was revived in new region (Johto). Team Plasma was revived with two factions, one of them was completely new, and new Pokemon (Kyurem) in possession. See what I mean? Both of those teams were revived with something new. In Aqua/Magma case, nothing would be new. Same region and same Pokemon in possession. That's not good enough for sequel imo.

Your opinion on what is good enough for a sequel doesn't prevent gamefreak from doing something interesting with the same stuff.
Or heck if they combined the ideas "reusing Hoenn" and "new generation, new handheld", and made gen VI located in new Hoenn+new places, they could even give them different pokes.
And if not, they could still add more of the 450 non-Hoenn pokes to mix it up a bit.

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7259010)
To begin with, I said only about Unova that it had vast of unused space left to be used in B2/W2, the same like Kanto had before introduction of Johto in G/S. And yes, even after expansions Kanto and Unova still have plenty of unused space. Hoenn or Sinnoh would be too crowded after addition of new cities.

Hoenn looks like it cannot be expanded because you are looking at the GBA map with the RSE template.
Simply using BWs template for example would allow for a handful of towns without it being too crowded, but the maps would also be bigger.

Or they could make Hoenns map just one half of the full new Hoenn map.
They can do whatever they come up with in this case.

And as pointed out, Yamaji town. Even I would have never thought they would squeeze it in there, but they did.

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7259010)
How Game Freak could ever admit they put hints in games? They won't admit it, the same like they won't tell what game they are working on now. Until official announcement of course. Btw, hints for G/S remakes turned out to be accurate.

Its not even comparable.
There was data in DP for pokemon "from Johto (Gold)" and "from Johto (Silver)".
That is serious stuff.

Red and blue flags are not.


I mean, there is a difference between meaningless hints and intentional hype making hints.

For example: the Red Gyarados on the TV at the beginning of DP.
Every single person on the planet who saw that, was reminded of GS. That was the intention.

When you see a red and blue flag in front of a building, however, it is meaningless. Only the 5 people who are depserately looking for "hints" will even consider them to be hints.



Also, the intentional references (not merely vague meaningless hints) would probably occur in the same generation as the remakes are made.
Gen 5 is finished. The DS is finished.
Whatever is next, it will be new. Doesn't matter if it will involve Hoenn. Everything is realistic except normal simple RS remakes.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 18th, 2012 9:48 AM

I remember that people used the Park balls of DPPt as a sign that GS was going to be remade...
Not all hints have to be obvious but than again we can't go around saying everything that is red and blue is a hint for RS remakes. By the way the flags of Nimbasa are Red and Green (FrLg remakes!? sarcasm mode).

I don't think this generation is over...so far according to bulbapedia it's at the 500's (in terms of days) while even RBGY had 700, GSC had 800 or so. While Generations III and IV were well into the thousands.

wombateiro July 18th, 2012 2:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7259155)
Your opinion on what is good enough for a sequel doesn't prevent gamefreak from doing something interesting with the same stuff.
Or heck if they combined the ideas "reusing Hoenn" and "new generation, new handheld", and made gen VI located in new Hoenn+new places, they could even give them different pokes.
And if not, they could still add more of the 450 non-Hoenn pokes to mix it up a bit.

If they try to make something truly new with Hoenn, it will be surprising. But I mean something truly new, not the same story scheme with more evil teams. I still think they will just remake Hoenn, because land/water story scheme is imo the best for this region and they shouldn't try to think of any different story scheme for Hoenn. Making gen 6 located in Hoenn is not plausible imo, because new generation is always located in completely new region.


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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7259155)
Its not even comparable.
There was data in DP for pokemon "from Johto (Gold)" and "from Johto (Silver)".
That is serious stuff.

Red and blue flags are not.


I mean, there is a difference between meaningless hints and intentional hype making hints.

For example: the Red Gyarados on the TV at the beginning of DP.
Every single person on the planet who saw that, was reminded of GS. That was the intention.

When you see a red and blue flag in front of a building, however, it is meaningless. Only the 5 people who are depserately looking for "hints" will even consider them to be hints.

I referred to putting hints in general because Kanto_Johto said that all hints are redundant, even those in D/P/Pt for G/S remakes, which is simply not true.

I agree that red and blue flags are not enough to consider them as hints. There are much more plausible things than those flags. If red Gyarados on TV was intention of reminding G/S/C - then water/magma cave from B2/W2 is intention of reminding R/S/E. Yes it is, people immediately were speaking about Hoenn after seeing that cave.

"There was data in DP for pokemon "from Johto (Gold)" and "from Johto (Silver)"" - yes it was, but it wasn't used in games. All Pokemon caught in HG/SS transferred to D/P/Pt are said to be caught in "faraway place", not in Johto.
Anyway, R/S remakes don't need to be hinted with such hidden data because Pokemon caught in Hoenn can be transfered to gen 5, therefore Hoenn location data is already used in gen 5 games.

MiTjA July 18th, 2012 2:48 PM

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7259812)
"There was data in DP for pokemon "from Johto (Gold)" and "from Johto (Silver)"" - yes it was, but it wasn't used in games. All Pokemon caught in HG/SS transferred to D/P/Pt are said to be caught in "faraway place", not in Johto.
Anyway, R/S remakes don't need to be hinted with such hidden data because Pokemon caught in Hoenn can be transfered to gen 5, therefore Hoenn location data is already used in gen 5 games.

Just some clarification,
It was used. I don't mean the text that's actually displayed ingame. If you caught the exact same pokemon with the exact same data in HG and SS, the part of their data that contains information on what game they are from will be different. The game checks them and is programmed to show Faraway place for both.
There was exactly 2 kinds of unused game origin data in DPt reserved for HG and SS.

Kanto_Johto July 18th, 2012 4:09 PM

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7259812)
I referred to putting hints in general because Kanto_Johto said that all hints are redundant, even those in D/P/Pt for G/S remakes, which is simply not true.

When I said about the hints for RSE being made redundant, I meant that because there are no hints that actually mean anything or actually provide a substantial argument for remakes currently being planned, then unless Game Freak admits that they actually were hints, then none of the "hints" discovered by fans at present have actually been intentional.

This is similar to "hints" from DPPt signalling HGSS remakes. Other than the Red Gyarados hint (which is an actual hint, since that was an exclusive in-game event for GSC) most other hints were similar to "oh look, those flags are red and blue, like Ruby and Sapphire........HOLY CRAP IT'S A CONSPIRACY".

bobandbill July 18th, 2012 9:15 PM

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This is similar to "hints" from DPPt signalling HGSS remakes. Other than the Red Gyarados hint (which is an actual hint, since that was an exclusive in-game event for GSC) most other hints were similar to "oh look, those flags are red and blue, like Ruby and Sapphire........HOLY CRAP IT'S A CONSPIRACY".
Well, there were some more ones beyond the colours in DPPt (never mind the possibility that red and blue is also representative arguably of Reshiram and Zekrom's flames), such as a NPC directly mentioning events in GSC (including unique stuff like Clefairy dancing at Mt Moon), and the unnecessary prescence of Jasmine for instance that would I think amount to more than a few. But yeah; hints aren't a given that it will happen @ RSE remake. (Not that I'd mind one =p).

rocky505 July 19th, 2012 2:20 AM

The closest thing to a hint IMO are the magma and aqua grunts in iccurus city. They mention what aqua and magma did but why would both of them say what they did when in rs only one of the teams did that. Emerald remake? IMO the grunts should've been version exclusive characters if it were to be a hint at RS remakes.

P0kelegend July 19th, 2012 2:31 AM

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Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 7260468)
The closest thing to a hint IMO are the magma and aqua grunts in iccurus city. They mention what aqua and magma did but why would both of them say what they did when in rs only one of the teams did that. Emerald remake? IMO the grunts should've been version exclusive characters if it were to be a hint at RS remakes.

There are Magma and Aqua grunts in Icirrus City? It's the first I've heard about it, interesting. Where abouts are they in the city?

If anything, its definitely more of a hint to an Emerald remake rather than R/S remake.

zid_sen July 19th, 2012 2:40 AM

Well i think it will release in 3DS platform with name

FiercingRuby
VastSapphire
JadeEmerald

well just kiddding,
but i really wait for this game release!

MiTjA July 19th, 2012 2:59 AM

The grunts would be the closest we got to "hints"...

...if it wasn't for the fact that the same house held a Rocket grunt in BW!


To clarify, it's just text, they aren't in their costumes or anything. Like the equivalent in BW, they say how they were grunts of said teams in the past, and that you should not tell their wife/husband (who was the opposite team and essentially says the same thing).

Xander Olivieri July 19th, 2012 7:52 AM

They took the Funky talking Rocket Member's house in Icirrus. It was mentioned earlier in the thread and written off as an Easter Egg simply because they took the Rocket Member's spot.

And no it doesn't really mean Emerald Remake. Ruby, Magma tried to destroy the Region and expand land. Sapphire, Aqua tried to destroy the region and expand the sea. Both events happened, doesn't matter if it was in one game or 2. Both events still happened.

And no the closets thing we have for a hint is pretty much the cave with different appearances. The Rocket didn't signify anything when he was in B/W and the Aqua/Magma couple took his house which is only accessible in the winter. It was an Easter Egg in B/W so its an Easter Egg in B2W2.

blue July 19th, 2012 8:45 AM

They could both be classed as hints or coincidences, we said the exact same about Gold & Silver with many references to Johto and other similarities so it could just be grasping or Nintendo planted them there purposely since they like to know how we think.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 19th, 2012 8:51 AM

There's actually been more hints for Kanto remakes like Rocket appearing in BW, Rocket's music in Game Freak.
Also I've noticed most aren't considering the hints of Gen IV for RSE remakes. The guy in Sinnoh's resort mentioned he wanted to go see the rocket launch in Mossdeep. Steven appeared in HgSs. There's actually much more hints for remakes in Gen IV than this generation it seems...
Also who says we need hints GF can just come out and announce the games out of the blue like they did with FrLg which had no real hints, even less so than Rs remakes have now...we have no real pattern with remakes yet it seems (they might not even come out at all...).

blue July 19th, 2012 9:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7261014)
There's actually been more hints for Kanto remakes like Rocket appearing in BW, Rocket's music in Game Freak.
Also I've noticed most aren't considering the hints of Gen IV for RSE remakes. The guy in Sinnoh's resort mentioned he wanted to go see the rocket launch in Mossdeep. Steven appeared in HgSs. There's actually much more hints for remakes in Gen IV than this generation it seems...
Also who says we need hints GF can just come out and announce the games out of the blue like they did with FrLg which had no real hints, even less so than Rs remakes have now...we have no real pattern with remakes yet it seems (they might not even come out at all...).

That's true, I'd say there's atleast one hint for every Gen IV+ game that could contribute towards Hoenn.. there is also a soundtrack in Black and White 2's coding which is said to be Rustboro City for those who didn't know although to me it doesn't really sound like it.

Sydian July 19th, 2012 9:26 AM

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Also who says we need hints GF can just come out and announce the games out of the blue like they did with FrLg which had no real hints, even less so than Rs remakes have now...we have no real pattern with remakes yet it seems (they might not even come out at all...).
The thing with that though, no one expected remakes then. Everyone thought we'd just move right along to the next generation of gaming or the third version, but that didn't happen. So no one was really looking for hints. After two remakes though, people are expecting one and ANYTHING that reminds them of RSE, which if the cycle continues they're next in line to be remade, it's taken as a hint. Although I can't think of anything off the top of my head in RS, I'm sure some crazy nut could find things that hint at FRLG. Because you know, blue and red in gen V obviously means RS remakes. Heck, someone could take the fact that Ruby and Sapphire are red and blue respectively, that could have been a sign for Red and Blue to be remade, though of course, it was Red and Green that were remade, but for speculation at that time, it could have worked. But I'm not gonna go on rampage about that. It's just something to think about.

That Rustboro theme is probably one of the worst music pieces I've heard in the series. Mainly because it sounds nothing like it's supposed to be. If it were original and not the Rustboro theme, it could work. But that theme has already been established and that...doesn't work.

blue July 19th, 2012 9:30 AM

I wouldn't go as far as saying Red & Blue banners represent hints towards RS remakes, Red and Blue are the two most commonly used colours so you couldn't call every duo of Red & Blue hints towards Ruby & Sapphire. However, if they are currently working on the remakes atleast they have the Gym Leader sprites ready which I personally love.

Sydian July 19th, 2012 9:33 AM

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I wouldn't go as far as saying Red & Blue banners represent hints towards RS remakes, Red and Blue are the two most commonly used colours so you couldn't call every duo of Red & Blue hints towards Ruby & Sapphire.
Not saying you would, but that is literally how people are seeing them now. It's even been said in this thread a few times about some things that are blue and red how it's a hint. I just don't understand it. But my point was that people can take anything as a hint. It's like trying to grab clouds. Doesn't work.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 19th, 2012 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Sydian (Post 7261051)

Not saying you would, but that is literally how people are seeing them now. It's even been said in this thread a few times about some things that are blue and red how it's a hint. I just don't understand it. But my point was that people can take anything as a hint. It's like trying to grab clouds. Doesn't work.

I agree,they really aren't hints specially considering Red,Blue, Green, and Yellow are the most common colors in the franchise (at least that I've paid attention to). As Xander said before the Magma and Aqua (Water) caves are the only significant hints we really have within this generation.

Kanto_Johto July 19th, 2012 2:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sydian (Post 7261051)


Not saying you would, but that is literally how people are seeing them now. It's even been said in this thread a few times about some things that are blue and red how it's a hint. I just don't understand it. But my point was that people can take anything as a hint. It's like trying to grab clouds. Doesn't work.

Isn't that essentially the premise of this entire thread? People finding hints that aren't really hints and concluding that RSE remakes are bound to happen because of them?

StarUmbreon July 19th, 2012 2:10 PM

I have a theory, it's not a good one but it's something. Before I say it let me say I know the anime has nothing to do with the games but for promotional purposes I think I can use this.

Have you ever noticed that in the anime after every odd numbered region there is a filler ark?

Kanto (Gen I) -> Orange Islands (nothing to promote being R|B|Y were the only games out. Stalling until G|S come out.) -> Jhoto (Gen II) -> Hoenn (Gen III) -> Kanto (used to promote Emerald using the Battle Frontier & FR|LG taking place in Kanto. Stalling until D|P) -> Sinnoh (Gen IV) -> Unova (Gen V) -> ?

Maybe they will do what they did with Gen I & III & send Ash on a side quest to either Hoenn (unlikely) or an anime on region like Orange Islands (possible). they could use this side quest to promote R|S|E Remakes like they did with Gen III.

If he goes straight to the Gen VI region then maybe the remakes will be released during Gen VI or will not be released at all although I'm hoping they are.

It's sort of farfetched but it's something to work with.

P.S: For those wondering why they didn't do it with HG|SS it's because it was fully promoted in the DP Series using Lyra & promo for the Pokelthon (spellcheck) without the need of a filler ark.

Edit: If we get Remakes I'm excited to see what they do with the contest & secret bases ( I hope they bring these back)

wombateiro July 19th, 2012 3:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Kanto_Johto (Post 7259931)
When I said about the hints for RSE being made redundant, I meant that because there are no hints that actually mean anything or actually provide a substantial argument for remakes currently being planned, then unless Game Freak admits that they actually were hints, then none of the "hints" discovered by fans at present have actually been intentional.

This is similar to "hints" from DPPt signalling HGSS remakes. Other than the Red Gyarados hint (which is an actual hint, since that was an exclusive in-game event for GSC) most other hints were similar to "oh look, those flags are red and blue, like Ruby and Sapphire........HOLY CRAP IT'S A CONSPIRACY".

But red Gyarados hint wasn't officially admitted to be hint, right? Game Freak doesn't officially admit hints, no matter how plausible they are. So I disagree with saying that hints need to be confirmed by Game Freak to be plausible, because it doesn't happen.
Red Gyarados is similar kind of hint like water/magma cave in B2/W2 - something reminding of the region they possibly plan to remake. I would also say that having two opposing groups of Plasma in B2/W2 could be also reference to Hoenn because no other region has two opposing groups.

Btw, speculations about R/S remakes resemble the ones about G/S remakes. Like in this article from 2007: http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Diamond,_Pearl_and_what_beyond%3F

Sydian July 19th, 2012 3:21 PM

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Isn't that essentially the premise of this entire thread? People finding hints that aren't really hints and concluding that RSE remakes are bound to happen because of them?
Sadly, yes, that's the pitiful point of this thread. I should have waited till remakes were announced before making this really. Then the speculation would be about what everyone wants to see in remakes and everything under that category. It's talked about a bit in here, but half the time it's just timeline conspiracies and how the DS is out and about how long generations last and a bunch of other things I don't bother to read.

Kanto_Johto July 19th, 2012 4:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sydian (Post 7261436)


Sadly, yes, that's the pitiful point of this thread. I should have waited till remakes were announced before making this really. Then the speculation would be about what everyone wants to see in remakes and everything under that category. It's talked about a bit in here, but half the time it's just timeline conspiracies and how the DS is out and about how long generations last and a bunch of other things I don't bother to read.

Agreed. At this moment in time the speculation really is centred on whether or not the remakes are actually going to happen, and as time passes and no mention of remakes have been made by any officials, I'm slowly beginning to become less and less enthusiastic about the possibility of remakes appearing within the year. Don't get me wrong, I would still still be ecstatic if they were announced, but my optimism is dwindling. I'm still hoping that remakes will eventually be announced, but I doubt they will be any time soon.

Xander Olivieri July 19th, 2012 4:10 PM

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Originally Posted by StarUmbreon (Post 7261350)
I have a theory, it's not a good one but it's something. Before I say it let me say I know the anime has nothing to do with the games but for promotional purposes I think I can use this.

Have you ever noticed that in the anime after every odd numbered region there is a filler ark?

Kanto (Gen I) -> Orange Islands (nothing to promote being R|B|Y were the only games out. Stalling until G|S come out.) -> Jhoto (Gen II) -> Hoenn (Gen III) -> Kanto (used to promote Emerald using the Battle Frontier & FR|LG taking place in Kanto. Stalling until D|P) -> Sinnoh (Gen IV) -> Unova (Gen V) -> ?

Maybe they will do what they did with Gen I & III & send Ash on a side quest to either Hoenn (unlikely) or an anime on region like Orange Islands (possible). they could use this side quest to promote R|S|E Remakes like they did with Gen III.

If he goes straight to the Gen VI region then maybe the remakes will be released during Gen VI or will not be released at all although I'm hoping they are.

It's sort of farfetched but it's something to work with.

P.S: For those wondering why they didn't do it with HG|SS it's because it was fully promoted in the DP Series using Lyra & promo for the Pokelthon (spellcheck) without the need of a filler ark.

Edit: If we get Remakes I'm excited to see what they do with the contest & secret bases ( I hope they bring these back)

Only different thing, in Sinnoh for the HG/SS remakes that added Lyra into the Anime while still in Sinnoh. That was HG/SS Remake hint in the Anime. We could get another small bonus like that if we get a new character for the RSE remakes showing up during the Junior World Tournament.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 19th, 2012 8:40 PM

Perhaps for the remakes they could also add the Ryukyu islands for new areas to explore,which are south of Kyushu (in Hoenn's case they would be in the east). They could be like Hoenn's version of the Sevii islands.

P0kelegend July 19th, 2012 9:32 PM

The next year should be interesting, as I think there is no doubt we will get another main game next year since we already had (almost) the two year gap between B/W and B2W2, so we should get at least one other main game next year before GF has another 2 year gap before releasing the next main series game. So, it could be either R/S remakes or Gen VI. I see it being Gen VI though, because I just don't see them releasing R/S remakes on DS anymore and I don't see them making the first 3DS main game.. a remake.

MiTjA July 19th, 2012 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7261422)
But red Gyarados hint wasn't officially admitted to be hint, right? Game Freak doesn't officially admit hints, no matter how plausible they are. So I disagree with saying that hints need to be confirmed by Game Freak to be plausible, because it doesn't happen.
Red Gyarados is similar kind of hint like water/magma cave in B2/W2 - something reminding of the region they possibly plan to remake. I would also say that having two opposing groups of Plasma in B2/W2 could be also reference to Hoenn because no other region has two opposing groups.

Btw, speculations about R/S remakes resemble the ones about G/S remakes. Like in this article from 2007: http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Diamond,_Pearl_and_what_beyond%3F

Red Gyarados was not some hint, it was a direct reference to something everyone remembers from GS.

The caves? No, they won't make everyone think of RS. They could still be a homage to RS of course, but they are nowhere near what the Red Gyarados was in for.

Some random kid that doesn't check the internet for any poke news all the time,
when playing White 2, it'll go like "oh a lava cave, how awesome is that", and won't even know its a boring water-themed cave in Black 2 unless they play it too...

I mean, if the caves weren't showcased in corocoro to point out another difference between versions, it would have taken much longer for this thread to notice it.


Also, the new plasma reminded me of Johtos Rocket if anything, not Aqua/Magma at all...

wombateiro July 20th, 2012 4:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7261964)
Red Gyarados was not some hint, it was a direct reference to something everyone remembers from GS.

The caves? No, they won't make everyone think of RS. They could still be a homage to RS of course, but they are nowhere near what the Red Gyarados was in for.

Some random kid that doesn't check the internet for any poke news all the time,
when playing White 2, it'll go like "oh a lava cave, how awesome is that", and won't even know its a boring water-themed cave in Black 2 unless they play it too...

I mean, if the caves weren't showcased in corocoro to point out another difference between versions, it would have taken much longer for this thread to notice it.

Somebody who played only Platinum wouldn't know about red Gyarados on TV either because it wasn't in that game... should we really care about people who don't check version differences? Alternate water cave is version exclusive for B2 and Sapphire, the same goes with alternate magma cave for W2 and Ruby. All versions exclusives need to be checked to make opinion if there is some hint.

It's also arguable if red Gyarados on TV was direct reference to G/S/C because it doesn't say where that Gyarados is. It could every region because shiny Pokemon can appear in every region (except gen 1). I agree it was hint, but disagree with saying that it was direct reference without any doubt.

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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7261964)
Also, the new plasma reminded me of Johtos Rocket if anything, not Aqua/Magma at all...

I meant relation between old and new Plasma. Opposing to each other like Aqua and Magma. N and Ghetis caused Zekrom/Reshiram to fight with Kyurem, the same like Aqua and Magma caused fight between Kyogre and Groudon. Both fights ended with appearance of third Pokemon - Rayquaza of new Kyurem form. It could be considered as hint because there is some resemblance.

Kanto_Johto July 20th, 2012 6:38 AM

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7262247)
Somebody who played only Platinum wouldn't know about red Gyarados on TV either because it wasn't in that game... should we really care about people who don't check version differences? Alternate water cave is version exclusive for B2 and Sapphire, the same goes with alternate magma cave for W2 and Ruby. All versions exclusives need to be checked to make opinion if there is some hint.

It's also arguable if red Gyarados on TV was direct reference to G/S/C because it doesn't say where that Gyarados is. It could every region because shiny Pokemon can appear in every region (except gen 1). I agree it was hint, but disagree with saying that it was direct reference without any doubt.

So of all the shiny Pokemon they could have chosen, they just happened to choose a Shiny Gyarados, which just happened to have been a major part of the storyline in GSC? Why didn't they choose a rampaging shiny Mantine or Dragonite?

The Red Gyarados story from DPPt is most definitely a direct reference to the GSC games. Otherwise why would they just randomly include something as obvious as that?

rocky505 July 20th, 2012 8:07 AM

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7262247)
Somebody who played only Platinum wouldn't know about red Gyarados on TV either because it wasn't in that game... should we really care about people who don't check version differences? Alternate water cave is version exclusive for B2 and Sapphire, the same goes with alternate magma cave for W2 and Ruby. All versions exclusives need to be checked to make opinion if there is some hint.

It's also arguable if red Gyarados on TV was direct reference to G/S/C because it doesn't say where that Gyarados is. It could every region because shiny Pokemon can appear in every region (except gen 1). I agree it was hint, but disagree with saying that it was direct reference without any doubt.



yes people who played platinum would've heard about the red gyarados. It was even mentioned in one of these remake threads. A cameraman blocking lake valor talks about it.

Xander Olivieri July 20th, 2012 9:03 AM

There also wasn't a Water Cave exclusive to Sapphire and a Magma Cave Exclusive to Ruby.


And what? When did Kyurem stop the fight between Zekrom and Reshiram? I never saw that happen. Old Plasma and New Plasma don't oppose each other in the same way that Aqua and Magma did. If anything they hardly oppose each other at all. They simply don't share the same view but are working towards the same goal. The Plasma relationship in B2W2 is nothing like Aqua/Magma's relationship. Cheren, your Rival, and you are the only ones directly attacking Team Plasma the other Plasma team are just sitting and waiting for N.

So there was no fight in B2W2 that relates to any fights in R/S.
Spoiler:
N used his Dragon to stop Kyurem from killing the Main Character. That is no way similar to two Pokemon warring it out in Emerald forcing the Main Character to go awaken a legendary Dragon to stop their fighting. Rayquaza also didn't attack the other two, get stabbed by some item to fuse with one of the other two either. Nor does the opposite legend make an appearance in B2W2. So no there are no similarities between final battles in B2W2 and R/S/E.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 20th, 2012 9:46 AM

I think Womba is reffering to Origin cave being filled with Lava in Ruby and Water in Sapphire in the room you capture the respective legend.
As for Kyurem stopping the battle...points to Xander's post. Giratina showing up between it's trio member is more similar to RSE than what happened in B2W2 and even than the event and cause was different...

wombateiro July 20th, 2012 2:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7262502)
I think Womba is reffering to Origin cave being filled with Lava in Ruby and Water in Sapphire in the room you capture the respective legend.

Exactly, and not only Origin Cave, but also Seafloor Cavern.

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7262479)
And what? When did Kyurem stop the fight between Zekrom and Reshiram? I never saw that happen.

I didn't see that either because it's not what I said lol. I said that the way how two conflicted leaders (N and Ghetsis) caused the fight between two legendaries (Zekrom or Reshiram vs Kyurem) is similar how Archie and Maxie caused Kyogre vs Groudon fight. And then, fight is stopped by fusion (Black or White Kyurem's appearance), kinda like by Rayquaza's appearance.
I think those events are similar to each other (not literally, but schemes are similar) and different from what happened with Creation Trio in Platinum because Dialga and Palkia don't even fight with each other and there is also only one team leader Cyrus, not two leaders like in Emerald or B2/W2.

Xander Olivieri July 20th, 2012 2:50 PM

Uh.....Did you even play Ruby/Sapphire? Maxie and Archie did not start a conflict between their legends. The Legends hated each other and started fighting on their own. Magma and Aqua had nothing to do with them fighting.

N vs Ghetsis was a simple Pokemon battle between one of the Old Legends under N's Control and the Third Legend Kyurem. That still isn't any where NEAR being similar. N wasn't even said to be the leader of the Old Team Plasma, he's basically a more helpful Red in the new games. Only reason we associate him with Plasma because he was with Plasma. Also Ghetsis WANTED to absorb the Dragon N was carrying so they didn't stop a conflict between two legend. N lost the battle against Ghetsis and had his dragon stolen. The fight wasn't resolved by a Third Legend, but incited by the third.

The events on B2W2 are not similar to the events of R/S/E. There is still only 1 Evil team in B2W2 not 2 evil teams.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 20th, 2012 3:23 PM

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Since B2W2 had 3DS apps/games associated with them perhaps the remakes could further dive into the uses of the 3Ds, perhaps it'll be the first 3Ds game though it'll be strange seeing how so far no generation has changed devices at the end but than again this generation hasn't been so predictable.

MegaKuriboh July 20th, 2012 3:36 PM

Something I though of, that could be totally wrong and probabally sounds REALLY stupid, but maybe possibly, they could release RS remakes as the first games on the 3DS, and maybe put placeholder spots for the 6th generation Pokemon in the data ready to be downloaded when the 6th generation games come out, and when they do, they can do some type of DLC type thing so you can "Update" the games and be able to have 6th gen Pokemon, attacks and abilities? Sounds stupid and unrealistic, I know but hey, it might be possible. I don't know how the whole system works.

Xander Olivieri July 20th, 2012 3:42 PM

Not stupid, but it won't be something we'd see most likely due to an issue with that kinda data creating. If the remakes are made with Gen 6 in mind, then all the Gen 6 sprites, abilities, items, and attacks would be preloaded into the remakes. Cartridge games are very finicky with injecting new code into them and corrode very easily when you do, which is why over use of Action Replays and Game Sharks ruined most of the older games.

If the Remakes tie into 6th Gen they'd be released after 6th Gen. Still possible to get them on the 3DS before 6th Gen just not with the ability to update it when they come out.

blue July 20th, 2012 4:29 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7262778)
If the Remakes tie into 6th Gen they'd be released after 6th Gen. Still possible to get them on the 3DS before 6th Gen just not with the ability to update it when they come out.

That's true, if it's not 2013 then Gen 6 will come first which will last for about 2 years after 2014 so we're looking around 2015/16 before we hear about RS remakes which will then lead people to start talking about DPPT remakes considering it will be their 10 year anniversary but that's kinda taking a step ahead.

MiTjA July 21st, 2012 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Pokemon Trainer Kevin (Post 7262774)
Something I though of, that could be totally wrong and probabally sounds REALLY stupid, but maybe possibly, they could release RS remakes as the first games on the 3DS, and maybe put placeholder spots for the 6th generation Pokemon in the data ready to be downloaded when the 6th generation games come out, and when they do, they can do some type of DLC type thing so you can "Update" the games and be able to have 6th gen Pokemon, attacks and abilities? Sounds stupid and unrealistic, I know but hey, it might be possible. I don't know how the whole system works.

Not sure how much different 3DS is, but that is likely impossible. The games and their data is still on a read only memory, with the only actually alterable part being the save file, which surely isnt big enough to hold data for hundreds of added pokemon, and can go derp at times and delete stuff.

If they did go that route,
which could actually be an intelligent move since they could focus on figuring out the 3DS with that and use it professionally for the actual new games later,
but they would simply make it a one way trade like we have seen in the past.

I still seriously disagree that plain remakes would be a good move, especially at this weird moment between handhelds.

Loonie July 21st, 2012 1:12 AM

I want An S/R/E remake but havent seen one sof ar .. i miss the battle frontier =(

blue July 21st, 2012 2:11 AM

I would say an RS remake is most likely inevitable, sooner or later graphics are going to be far more advanced than they currently are so to keep Hoenn in the current graphics would just be too dated which would kinda give them no choice. That's just basing it off the graphics side of things however, I mean heck even now they're already way ahead of what they were back then.

MiTjA July 21st, 2012 3:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7263448)
I would say an RS remake is most likely inevitable, sooner or later graphics are going to be far more advanced than they currently are so to keep Hoenn in the current graphics would just be too dated which would kinda give them no choice. That's just basing it off the graphics side of things however, I mean heck even now they're already way ahead of what they were back then.

But again, for the sake of graphics, is equally as good of a reason as for remaking RBY again. x_x

T!M July 21st, 2012 4:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7263493)
But again, for the sake of graphics, is equally as good of a reason as for remaking RBY again. x_x

Graphics or not, they're going to remake it for nostalgia purposes. They've remade every game so far (with the exception of Yellow) so it would be just stupid not to milk POKeFans for their money with a remake of a clearly adored Generation. Then again I don't understand how graphics mean they have to make a remake. God forbid, Gamefreak/PokeCo. believe Hoenn was a masterpiece and decide to leave it as is.

blue July 21st, 2012 4:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7263493)
But again, for the sake of graphics, is equally as good of a reason as for remaking RBY again. x_x

That's true but Kanto has kinda been updated in HGSS, maybe not the storyline but the region itself has Gen 4+ graphics. Hoenn is the only region that does not have this.

T!M July 21st, 2012 4:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7263534)


That's true but Kanto has kinda been updated in HGSS, maybe not the storyline but the region itself has Gen 4+ graphics. Hoenn is the only region that does not have this.

That too, Not only have the graphics been updated but the maps of each town have been drastically rearranged. I can honestly say that I had a hard time finding my way around Kanto despite how many times I've played in it.

ZetaZaku July 21st, 2012 6:23 AM

Gen I and II were remade because they were both outdated and the battery died on most of them. Since Gen III is far from outdated, I don't think they'll remake it soon. We need to see Gen VI first and see how the game has evolved.

I really don't see a point in remaking it. I really love the Gen and I think it's fine as it is. Nothing has changed except for graphics. And if they remake this, then fans will demand a new Kanto remake, and then a Sinnoh remake, and a new Johto remake, Unova remake etc.

blue July 21st, 2012 7:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ZetaZaku (Post 7263679)
Gen I and II were remade because they were both outdated and the battery died on most of them. Since Gen III is far from outdated, I don't think they'll remake it soon. We need to see Gen VI first and see how the game has evolved.

I really don't see a point in remaking it. I really love the Gen and I think it's fine as it is. Nothing has changed except for graphics. And if they remake this, then fans will demand a new Kanto remake, and then a Sinnoh remake, and a new Johto remake, Unova remake etc.

I've heard of batteries dieing out on GBA cartridges too.. besides the Time based event Pokemon no longer work for some reason such as Jirachi and others.

wombateiro July 21st, 2012 1:59 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7262745)
Uh.....Did you even play Ruby/Sapphire? Maxie and Archie did not start a conflict between their legends. The Legends hated each other and started fighting on their own. Magma and Aqua had nothing to do with them fighting.

N vs Ghetsis was a simple Pokemon battle between one of the Old Legends under N's Control and the Third Legend Kyurem. That still isn't any where NEAR being similar. N wasn't even said to be the leader of the Old Team Plasma, he's basically a more helpful Red in the new games. Only reason we associate him with Plasma because he was with Plasma. Also Ghetsis WANTED to absorb the Dragon N was carrying so they didn't stop a conflict between two legend. N lost the battle against Ghetsis and had his dragon stolen. The fight wasn't resolved by a Third Legend, but incited by the third.

The events on B2W2 are not similar to the events of R/S/E. There is still only 1 Evil team in B2W2 not 2 evil teams.

Obviously Emerald and B2/W2 final events seem not similar if we look at details, but looking at simplified scheme they seem to be similar:
1) Two conflicted leaders (or ex-leader in N's case) are responsible of causing fight between two legendaries by awakening them or bringing them to one place,
2) Two legendaries fight,
3) Appearance or creation of another legendary/another form ends the fight,
4) Player is not capable of catching any of seen legendary Pokemon during the final events. Emerald and B2/W2 are the only games with that trait.

I mean that if there is similarity in story scheme in Emerald and B2/W2, it could mean R/S remakes with Emerald story addition in gen 5. Because G/S/C and D/P/Pt also have similarities in story scheme, such as going by boat to new land after beating League or receiving Togepi egg during storyline (in Platinum).

Xander Olivieri July 21st, 2012 2:35 PM

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Originally Posted by wombateiro (Post 7264246)
Obviously Emerald and B2/W2 final events seem not similar if we look at details, but looking at simplified scheme they seem to be similar:
1) Two conflicted leaders (or ex-leader in N's case) are responsible of causing fight between two legendaries by awakening them or bringing them to one place,
2) Two legendaries fight,
3) Appearance or creation of another legendary/another form ends the fight,
4) Player is not capable of catching any of seen legendary Pokemon during the final events. Emerald and B2/W2 are the only games with that trait.

I mean that if there is similarity in story scheme in Emerald and B2/W2, it could mean R/S remakes with Emerald story addition in gen 5. Because G/S/C and D/P/Pt also have similarities in story scheme, such as going by boat to new land after beating League or receiving Togepi egg during storyline (in Platinum).

Ok...
1) Major difference. Team Aqua/Magma didn't purposefully make them fight nor did they expect them to fight after being awakened. They both thought that they could control Groudon and Kyogre with the orbs which they could not.

Unlike N and Ghetsis which was a straight Battle between two Pokemon owned by two different trainers. One is an accidental battle and the other was a forced battle.

3) Appearence and Creation are TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS. Ya know what that means? They aren't similar.

Rayquaza had to be awakened to stop the fighting. If not then Rayquaza wouldn't have stopped the fighting and Kyogre and Groudon would have destroyed the region. It also took the appearance of Rayquaza to end the fight.

Spoiler:
Zekrom/Reshiram under the control of N battle against Ghetsis and his Kyurem in which THEY LOSE A POKEMON BATTLE and Ghetsis steals the losing Pokemon and fuses it with Kyurem.


Those scenarios are night and day and aren't similar in the smallest bit.

4) You also don't battle Kyogre/Groudon/Rayquaza during their movie,
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Unlike Kyurem who is owned by Ghetsis and isn't classified as a wild Pokemon so you couldn't catch it even if you wanted to because Kyurem is a Trainer Owned Pokemon and you DO have to battle Kyurem
Again the two factors are different as Night and Day. Complete opposites of one another.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 21st, 2012 9:04 PM

The two events are different period now let's move on to some more realistic hints shall we?

This is a theory not a hint but all three weather trio members can only be captured in Emerald (without the need to trade) out of the five games they have been in (RSEHgSs). Perhaps since in the GS remakes they were version exclusives with Kyogre in Hg and Groudon in Ss the three will be together in the remakes in an Emerald like conclusion to the event.

C Payne July 22nd, 2012 2:40 AM

Instead of hints, let's just talk about what we think we'll see/want to see in them then, haha. I know speculation covers a lot of everything else we've all talked about, but that seems to be doing more damage than good really and everyone's just getting sidetracked. :S

As I mentioned before, does anyone think Altering Cave will get better use this time? The 3DS' streetpass/spotpass could be perfect for something like that, along with that Special storage box paper thing(where you can get the Pikachu wallpaper) and Secret Bases of course.

I also wonder how Mirage Island will come into play this time. It was a real pain to access before, although understandable, just hope they'd make it a more realistic chance this time.

Do you think they'll expand on the Safari Zone?

Is anyone looking forward to being able to plant berries all over again? It's one of the things that gave Hoenn its more natural feel, so I'd hope they wouldn't leave it out.

Rayquaza. July 22nd, 2012 2:08 PM

I was thinking that since HGSS had both Johto and Kanto in them, Nintendo might make an RSE remake with Hoenn and Sinnoh? Could be fairly likely.

Kanto_Johto July 22nd, 2012 2:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rayquaza. (Post 7265923)
I was thinking that since HGSS had both Johto and Kanto in them, Nintendo might make an RSE remake with Hoenn and Sinnoh? Could be fairly likely.

Not really. Kanto was in the original Gen II games so it made sense for it to reappear. Sinnoh wasn't in the original Gen III games or part of the storyline so it would make no sense to include it. Also, Hoenn isn't in Sinnoh's back yard like Johto is in Kanto's.

Sydian July 22nd, 2012 3:44 PM

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Instead of hints, let's just talk about what we think we'll see/want to see in them then, haha. I know speculation covers a lot of everything else we've all talked about, but that seems to be doing more damage than good really and everyone's just getting sidetracked. :S
This is the reason I wish I had waited till we had an official announcement, because all speculation consists of at the moment is where they'd fit in the timeline, "hints", and all that crap and debates I don't like reading. Makes this thread really, really unenjoyable, in all honesty. I much prefer speculating not if there will be remakes, or when, or why there won't be. I like talking about what we want to see in our redone Hoenn. Though one might argue "hurrr that'll just get your hopes up and we won't get a remake" Actually, in the early days of the old thread, it was just that. A few hints there and there, but not the timeline and hardware and generation debates. Not that I don't appreciate the enthusiasm and activity from the debates, but it gets to be the same thing over and over and it's just not enjoyable to read. So no offense to anyone that does that. It's just my personal opinion on it.

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As I mentioned before, does anyone think Altering Cave will get better use this time? The 3DS' streetpass/spotpass could be perfect for something like that, along with that Special storage box paper thing(where you can get the Pikachu wallpaper) and Secret Bases of course.

I also wonder how Mirage Island will come into play this time. It was a real pain to access before, although understandable, just hope they'd make it a more realistic chance this time.

Do you think they'll expand on the Safari Zone?

Is anyone looking forward to being able to plant berries all over again? It's one of the things that gave Hoenn its more natural feel, so I'd hope they wouldn't leave it out.
I would love for Altering Cave to come back with easier mechanics. Though, aren't the Pokemon that appear in the there also the Pokemon that appear in Emerald's extended Safari Zone? Safari Zone in mind, I would like it if they kept the extensions, along with the new Pokemon added in Emerald, even if it's an RS remake. There's a thread in the adv gen forum about how you felt about the region dex, and quite a few people wanted what was in the extended SZ to be in the regular dex. I agree. It adds more variety and some of those Pokemon just fit well into Hoenn, I think. Even though they weren't in the original dexes, I think it would be a good addition, along with the new evolutions of Hoenn Dex Pokemon (Magnezone, Froslass, Roserade, etc).

Mirage Island I'm sure would make a come back. It's not something I care much for though, because I never saw it haha.

And my batteries in RS have died, so I forget about planting berries really, even in Emerald even though my battery isn't dead for that game. I used to really enjoy berries as a kid though, cause I also did lots of contests, so naturally, I was using berries to make Pokeblocks. I would like more incentive to plant berries again though, so if they are remade, I would probably plant berries and do contests, if they're back as well and not too corny like DPPt's Super Contests.

C Payne July 22nd, 2012 6:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sydian (Post 7266042)

I would love for Altering Cave to come back with easier mechanics. Though, aren't the Pokemon that appear in the there also the Pokemon that appear in Emerald's extended Safari Zone? Safari Zone in mind, I would like it if they kept the extensions, along with the new Pokemon added in Emerald, even if it's an RS remake. There's a thread in the adv gen forum about how you felt about the region dex, and quite a few people wanted what was in the extended SZ to be in the regular dex. I agree. It adds more variety and some of those Pokemon just fit well into Hoenn, I think. Even though they weren't in the original dexes, I think it would be a good addition, along with the new evolutions of Hoenn Dex Pokemon (Magnezone, Froslass, Roserade, etc).

Mirage Island I'm sure would make a come back. It's not something I care much for though, because I never saw it haha.

And my batteries in RS have died, so I forget about planting berries really, even in Emerald even though my battery isn't dead for that game. I used to really enjoy berries as a kid though, cause I also did lots of contests, so naturally, I was using berries to make Pokeblocks. I would like more incentive to plant berries again though, so if they are remade, I would probably plant berries and do contests, if they're back as well and not too corny like DPPt's Super Contests.

Yeah, I think Altering Cave pretty much had the same Pokemon as the Safari Zone. I liked it as well for some reason...it was like one of those tiny additions that you don't hear as much about, yet it still has potential. They could really expand on what's available with 3DS' street/spotpass and maybe add an item or two in there to give it more appeal. The Safari Zone could have the Pokeblock use expanded, maybe by letting you have a better chance at some Pokes depending on what Pokeblock you put in the dispensers?

I think I remember seeing Mirage Island only once? It has more potential as well, they could add in more than just Wynatt and Liechi berries. There definitely needs to be more factors involved as well, obviously. Do you think they could allow there to be other Pokes with a higher chance of obtaining ones with DW abilities?

As for berries, I used them a lot as well. The original contests made them more appealing I guess, along with Pokeblocks. It was especially fun to do that kind of stuff with friends. I guess I was just berry happy then; always would stop by if I saw a fully grown berry plant and pick it, then plant another. Even went to the Berry Master and his wife often to get a chance at some rarer ones. They had THE biggest amount of berry plots in one spot, so it was a popular spot to plant as much variety as you could.

Speaking of berries and all of this 'chance' stuff, does anyone remember all of the little "special events" that randomly went on? That Master Pokeblock making guy visiting the Pokemon Contest Hall and helping you make crazy good Pokeblocks? The special Lilycove Dept. Store rooftop sale for even more Secret Base decorations? Those among others were mad fun to do when you got the chance.

Another thing, didn't someone mention how mixing records could work with Street/Spotpass? I remember finding it amusing whenever I saw my friends' achievements on Tv ingame.

RSE added many fun things that we'd hope would get expanded on.

Sydian July 22nd, 2012 6:43 PM

I like that idea about the Safari Zone. Also, since you mentioned Dream World Pokemon, how about Altering Cave having DW ability Pokemon after using Street Pass or whatever? Alter makes me think of alternative, which you know, DW abilities are usually a better alternative to the normal abilities. I think it'd work great. I like the idea about Pokeblocks in Safari Zone as well, as long as it's not some convoluted Pokeblock that's hard to make haha. Maybe instead it could attract Pokemon of certain natures? iirc, the cool, cute, etc moves have a color that corresponds to them, as well as the berries corresponding, which goes with natures too. I'd have to go look at Serebii to explain it better. But like you know, yellow Pokeblock attracts Pokemon with +def natures, blue attracts +sp att natures, etc. That make sense?

I never used the Pokeblock man, but I did like the Dept. Store, cause you could get decorations to put in your base to get across holes, which the best ones had holes. But yeah, it's little things like those special events that made it nice too. What else do you think could be added?

crystalzapdos July 22nd, 2012 7:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Kanto_Johto (Post 7261345)
Isn't that essentially the premise of this entire thread? People finding hints that aren't really hints and concluding that RSE remakes are bound to happen because of them?

Sadly, yes. Things such as certain things being Red and Blue make R/S remakes inevitable, somehow.

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I have a theory, it's not a good one but it's something. Before I say it let me say I know the anime has nothing to do with the games but for promotional purposes I think I can use this.

Have you ever noticed that in the anime after every odd numbered region there is a filler ark?

Kanto (Gen I) -> Orange Islands (nothing to promote being R|B|Y were the only games out. Stalling until G|S come out.) -> Jhoto (Gen II) -> Hoenn (Gen III) -> Kanto (used to promote Emerald using the Battle Frontier & FR|LG taking place in Kanto. Stalling until D|P) -> Sinnoh (Gen IV) -> Unova (Gen V) -> ?

Maybe they will do what they did with Gen I & III & send Ash on a side quest to either Hoenn (unlikely) or an anime on region like Orange Islands (possible). they could use this side quest to promote R|S|E Remakes like they did with Gen III.

If he goes straight to the Gen VI region then maybe the remakes will be released during Gen VI or will not be released at all although I'm hoping they are.

It's sort of farfetched but it's something to work with.

P.S: For those wondering why they didn't do it with HG|SS it's because it was fully promoted in the DP Series using Lyra & promo for the Pokelthon (spellcheck) without the need of a filler ark.

Edit: If we get Remakes I'm excited to see what they do with the contest & secret bases ( I hope they bring these back)

The way I see it, Best Wishes 2 is the filler saga. I mean, Ash already has all eight gym badges. All there is left to do with B/W is the league. Everything else is B/W2 based. I think they can make that stall out untill September 2013 for gen 6.

I'm thinking Gen6 will come out September of next year, with the first Pokemon being revealed in Feburary's corocoro. Its alot similar to B/W, but every year since 2005, except 2011, we've had a new Pokemon revealed in Feburary. This year, we had Keldeo. 2010 had Zoroark, 2009 had Arceus, 2008 had Shaymin+Giritina's new form, 2007 had Darkrai, 2006 had Manaphy, and 2005 had Lucario.

It makes you wonder what they'll reveal this Feburary. It can't be an event Pokemon, as those have all been revealed already. It leads me to believe that it will be a gen6 Pokemon. If this is true, there won't be R/S remakes in fifth gen, nor would there be a need for a filler saga.

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7261791)
Perhaps for the remakes they could also add the Ryukyu islands for new areas to explore,which are south of Kyushu (in Hoenn's case they would be in the east). They could be like Hoenn's version of the Sevii islands.

I sure hope so. R/S quite literately had no postgame, except the Battle Tower.

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Originally Posted by Pokemon Trainer Kevin (Post 7262774)
Something I though of, that could be totally wrong and probabally sounds REALLY stupid, but maybe possibly, they could release RS remakes as the first games on the 3DS, and maybe put placeholder spots for the 6th generation Pokemon in the data ready to be downloaded when the 6th generation games come out, and when they do, they can do some type of DLC type thing so you can "Update" the games and be able to have 6th gen Pokemon, attacks and abilities? Sounds stupid and unrealistic, I know but hey, it might be possible. I don't know how the whole system works.

If this was the case, wouldn't it just be easier to make them after gen6?

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Originally Posted by Rayquaza. (Post 7265923)
I was thinking that since HGSS had both Johto and Kanto in them, Nintendo might make an RSE remake with Hoenn and Sinnoh? Could be fairly likely.

Fairly likely? More like not even a possibility.

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Originally Posted by C Payne (Post 7265194)
As I mentioned before, does anyone think Altering Cave will get better use this time? The 3DS' streetpass/spotpass could be perfect for something like that, along with that Special storage box paper thing(where you can get the Pikachu wallpaper) and Secret Bases of course.

This is a good idea. For every Streetpass Tag you get, the Pokemon in the Cave changes. This keeps happening until you get 15 tags. On your 16th tag, it starts over. Also, they should change the Pokemon to be Sinnoh/Unova/6th gen Pokemon.

If they really wanted to, they could also have an item that changes every time, too. The first item would be a Pokeball or Potion, and with every tag you get, the item gets better and better.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 22nd, 2012 7:51 PM

I think they will proably due away with the Altering cave, perhaps they'll add some version exclusive location to it like the water and magma caves in B2W2. Or perhaps they could put Hoenn's version of Black City and White forest.

wombateiro July 23rd, 2012 3:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7266333)
Or perhaps they could put Hoenn's version of Black City and White forest.

I thought they could make for Ruby remake new modern city on new post-game island. The landmass and number of buildings would increase with number of residents. For Sapphire remake they could make town on island with increasing amount of wild Pokemon areas, walkable puddles, wooden houses and bridges. Maybe teams Magma and Aqua would have something to do with those locations.

Rayquaza. July 23rd, 2012 4:41 AM

What would be really cool is if Nintendo did a scene like the ones with Reshiram and zekrom in BW, except with Rayquaza, Kyogre and Groudon.

RandomDSdevel July 23rd, 2012 9:28 AM

On Updating the RSEmakes…
 
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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7262778)
Cartridge games are very finicky with injecting new code into them and corrode very easily when you do, which is why overuse of Action Replays and Game Sharks ruined most of the older games. [It would still be] possible to get them on the 3DS before 6th Gen just not with the ability to update it when they come out.

Methinks you might be quite mistaken, my skeptical friend. After all, Mario Kart 7 was patched after its release to remove some shortcut-related bugs soon after the Nintendo 3DS's own firmware was imbued with the capabilities necessary to allow this to happen. On another note, the only probable reason that Pokémon's fifth generation cannot fully communicate with its fourth one would be because it is limited by its own code so as to not allow this. Generation IV could not communicate directly with its predecessor because the device family which ran it lacked the necessary External Extension Connector. Whoever stated earlier their prediction that Generation VI might be the first generation of Pokémon games not to drop compatibility with previous titles may have hit the nail right on the head, so to speak. Both the Nintendo 3DS and the Nintendo DS use ad-hoc WiFi networks to communicate during local multiplayer sessions, and the former has full wireless backwards-compatibility with the latter. I hope that Nintendo has GameFreak utilize this fact in developing the remakes as a sort of 'Generation 5.5.'

C Payne July 23rd, 2012 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sydian (Post 7266239)
I like that idea about the Safari Zone. Also, since you mentioned Dream World Pokemon, how about Altering Cave having DW ability Pokemon after using Street Pass or whatever? Alter makes me think of alternative, which you know, DW abilities are usually a better alternative to the normal abilities. I think it'd work great. I like the idea about Pokeblocks in Safari Zone as well, as long as it's not some convoluted Pokeblock that's hard to make haha. Maybe instead it could attract Pokemon of certain natures? iirc, the cool, cute, etc moves have a color that corresponds to them, as well as the berries corresponding, which goes with natures too. I'd have to go look at Serebii to explain it better. But like you know, yellow Pokeblock attracts Pokemon with +def natures, blue attracts +sp att natures, etc. That make sense?

I never used the Pokeblock man, but I did like the Dept. Store, cause you could get decorations to put in your base to get across holes, which the best ones had holes. But yeah, it's little things like those special events that made it nice too. What else do you think could be added?

Having the Pokeblock work for different natured Pokemon, etc. is a great idea.


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Originally Posted by crystalzapdos (Post 7266314)
This is a good idea. For every Streetpass Tag you get, the Pokemon in the Cave changes. This keeps happening until you get 15 tags. On your 16th tag, it starts over. Also, they should change the Pokemon to be Sinnoh/Unova/6th gen Pokemon.

If they really wanted to, they could also have an item that changes every time, too. The first item would be a Pokeball or Potion, and with every tag you get, the item gets better and better.

Yeah, it would swap each time you get a streetpass tag. Imo though, it might be better suited to being a little more randomized. On top of that, adding in the possibility of getting certain DW Pokes, that could give Altering Cave a chance at being used often.

I really did like the feature though, it deserves to be upgraded.


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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7266333)
I think they will proably due away with the Altering cave, perhaps they'll add some version exclusive location to it like the water and magma caves in B2W2. Or perhaps they could put Hoenn's version of Black City and White forest.

If they add more involved with it, it could end up being a great addition to the games.



Back to ideas, I know it's a bit...dated, but does anyone think we'll have any use for Trainer Hill back? There wasn't really a wow factor to it, but it might have some kind of potential I guess, haha. I actually used it a bit, in all honesty.(having a tough time with this one)

Does anyone think that one Winstrate Family and Vito would be given a somewhat bigger role in the remakes? The family seemed to make too big a deal of Vito especially to just leave him out. Maybe you could see him from time to time on your travels, he might help out with something. Who knows...

Does anyone think we'll see some kind of new game involved at the game corner in Mauville(seeing as slots are probably out of the question)? The game corner should end up like that games place on one of the Sevii Islands in FrLg; it could go beyond the usual casino-type place and be given games that can be wirelessly played with others.



I'm probably getting carried away, but these could be some really PACKED games; a lot of ideas that could be brought back and up-to-date.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 23rd, 2012 7:41 PM

Vito appeared in Victory road, his name is Victor though (I think the english version over looked the connection between him and the family hence the two names but they're meant to be the same person in the jp version).

Perhaps they'll add the Wt to Mauville seeing how it they removed gambling thanks to the Eu. By the way Emerald's Mossdeep had the wireless game place iirc as well. Perhaps they'll put the Extralink on the Mossdeep island.

Xander Olivieri July 24th, 2012 8:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7267832)
Vito appeared in Victory road, his name is Victor though (I think the english version over looked the connection between him and the family hence the two names but they're meant to be the same person in the jp version).

Perhaps they'll add the Wt to Mauville seeing how it they removed gambling thanks to the Eu. By the way Emerald's Mossdeep had the wireless game place iirc as well. Perhaps they'll put the Extralink on the Mossdeep island.

The Entralink is to Black and White as the Bug Catchin Contrest was to Gold/Silver/Heart Gold/Soul Silver, or the Under Ground was to Diamond/Pearl/Platinum.

The Remakes would only cater to what the original games had, so the highlights should be Secret Bases(if they return), Contest Halls(if they don't just stick it in Lillycove or remove it altogether).

All of the other Specials were exclusive to the other games so I wouldn't expect to see those kinda mechanics in the remakes. Very little chance that the remakes would get Dream World capabilities as well seeing as B/W didn't get Pokewalker link ability.

Other than Contests and Secret Bases...oh and the Trick House, Hoenn didn't have a specific Gimmicked location special to it. (Two of which carried on into the next Generation)

大輔 July 24th, 2012 7:23 PM

You can really tell they are pushing our hopes into thinking RS remakes are possible since there are...

A) Appearances and New Sprites of Gym Leaders and Champions in BW 2
B) There are plenty of remade sprites specifically for Ruby and Sapphire pokemon
C) They are bringing in NPCs that hint about Hoenn in BW and so on...

MiTjA July 24th, 2012 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dabeatmaster123 (Post 7269420)
C) They are bringing in NPCs that hint about Hoenn in BW and so on...

What NPCs have you got in mind?

Malaa July 25th, 2012 1:25 AM

What kind of graphics would it be? I would hope for the classic RSE graphic, and not some Pokémon Black/White graphics. Just my opinion.

RenegadeShroom July 25th, 2012 2:37 AM

I reckon it'd almost certainly be B/W-esque graphics. After all, FR/LG had R/S/E-esque graphics, and HG/SS had D/P/P-esque graphics. Besides, it's an opportunity to show off Hoenn with more advanced graphics, and the whole point of a remake is to remake the game with more advanced features, not to clone the original game. It'd be pretty boring if it was just R/S/E with fifth gen compatibility, since we've already played R/S/E, many people multiple times, and I imagine most people want something new with any remake that comes from the third gen. XD

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 25th, 2012 3:23 AM

@ Xander I don't see the Extralink as a location per say but more of games similar to how FrLgE had the doduo berry game though wi-fi. Though if it lacks extralink I hope they add some wi-fi uses as it'll be lacking in them compared to BWB2W2.

Xander Olivieri July 25th, 2012 8:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7269796)
@ Xander I don't see the Extralink as a location per say but more of games similar to how FrLgE had the doduo berry game though wi-fi. Though if it lacks extralink I hope they add some wi-fi uses as it'll be lacking in them compared to BWB2W2.

The Entralink is the center section of Unova, so it is an actual location. If anything we'll prolly get the same Wifi usage that HG/SS had. (which is pretty much none outside of battle anyway as I don't remember if Pokethon was Wifi enabled)

With the possible return of Contests, we have Local Wifi Linked Contests, Pokeblock Mini Game, possible return of Mix Record for Secret Bases...and then normal battle Wifi linkage.

C Payne July 25th, 2012 9:55 PM

Yeah, Pokeathlon at least had local WiFi, I played it with friends on numerous occasions(if that's the kind you weren't sure about). Mixing records was fun for Secret bases, seeing your friends on TV, Battle Frontier records, etc. Making Pokeblocks with friends was fun.

We also might see the return of those Mossdeep minigames, Dodrio berry picking and that Pokemon Jump thing, along with maybe some extra additions(although we can't be sure what they'll do to the Mauville Game Corner...we might just see a new 'risk' game there, like HGSS got Voltorb Flip).

Hopefully they'll allow regular WiFi for a lot of these situations(Contests should be a must!!). There's so much they could open up a bit more by doing that.

Sydian July 26th, 2012 8:32 AM

I forgot about the Game Corner crap. Ugh. And RSE's Game Corner is really good to buy coins from. Flamethrower, Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, Psychic...good stuff. Some of my favorite moves. It would be a PAIN to have to do Voltorb Flip to get the coins to buy them, cause I'm worse at Voltorb Flip than roulette. I actually used to play the roulette in RSE lol...thought it was funnnn.

blue July 26th, 2012 8:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Sydian (Post 7271625)
I forgot about the Game Corner crap. Ugh. And RSE's Game Corner is really good to buy coins from. Flamethrower, Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, Psychic...good stuff. Some of my favorite moves. It would be a PAIN to have to do Voltorb Flip to get the coins to buy them, cause I'm worse at Voltorb Flip than roulette. I actually used to play the roulette in RSE lol...thought it was funnnn.

If the gambling Law's were applied into HGSS resulting in the Voltorb Flip then it will most likely be the same for RS remakes unless it's lifted. They may create a new game hopefully with a more easier system to obtain coins.

Sydian July 26th, 2012 8:49 AM

Or, you know, let us buy coins because not everyone is interested in playing whatever minigames they could possibly think to put in there.

C Payne July 26th, 2012 10:02 AM

Isn't it based off of European laws on the matter though?(Unless it has changed for others; not trying to stray too far off topic) I mean I don't mind Voltorb Flip at all, as I really liked it, and wouldn't mind seeing even more new games, but I kind of miss the slots as well; wish the rest of us could have gotten it along with a new game, Japanese games got it in HGSS still.

This is what has made me wonder what they'll do with Mauville's Game Corner, although it probably will be a new game. I was a huge fan of the Roulette Wheel though, it was mad fun. I think a lot of us are more interested in being able to buy coins though. :S I also hope that little game place in Mossdeep will pop back up.

blue July 26th, 2012 10:20 AM

I don't see the point in the ban tbh, it's hardly influencing anything... I mean it's a Pokemon Game, 3+ year olds aren't going to comprehend what's going on really, they're just playing it for the coins and the Pokemon, right?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 26th, 2012 11:37 AM

Well you know people, they can sometimes make the biggest deal out of something so little.

I miss the roullets...perhaps they could have a game show style thing in which we play for coins.

I really want there to be an extralink in the remakes...it's not all that farfetched simply because it's a location in Unova I mean Sinnoh and Johto shared the same BF which was a location too...plus the extralink is said to be a mysterious location...
If not than I hope they add some of the new features like the making your own store in B2W2, Hoenn could have it's own version of it. Another nice thing would be if the Poketholon was added, I liked that place, perhaps it could take the place of one of the battle tents. Perhaps add in Musicals and Movies in the other two locations of the tents...it'll add a lot of mini games to do in Hoenn.

Qweedol July 26th, 2012 1:23 PM

The roulette was so awesome. They should totally bring it back. I used that thing so much

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 26th, 2012 2:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Qweedol (Post 7271933)
The roulette was so awesome. They should totally bring it back. I used that thing so much


Same here, I liked it better than the slots. Hoenn's Game corner was my favorite out of the four.
Hopefully they'll decide to add it to the Jp and NA, and Aussie versions and simply leave it out of Eu versions this time...

Kanto_Johto July 28th, 2012 1:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7271990)
Same here, I liked it better than the slots. Hoenn's Game corner was my favorite out of the four.
Hopefully they'll decide to add it to the Jp and NA, and Aussie versions and simply leave it out of Eu versions this time...

Hey, we want the slots back as well! They were amazingly addictive in the older games.

I'd love to see them back too, but somehow I think Game Freak will stick to some novelty game like the Voltorb Flip, unfortunately.

Pingouin_7 July 28th, 2012 7:23 PM

I don't get why people think a remake is confirmed just because NPCs talk about the region in the current games.

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Originally Posted by Kanto_Johto (Post 7274901)
Hey, we want the slots back as well! They were amazingly addictive in the older games.

I'd love to see them back too, but somehow I think Game Freak will stick to some novelty game like the Voltorb Flip, unfortunately.

It'd be awesome if they replaced the boring slot machines with funner stuff.


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