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Think what Johto was to Kanto. The difference is that GS was extending gen 1 in terms of pokemon, while BW2 focused on finishing the plot of BW2 with barely new designs. Obviously they don't have to pick between something they have done before. They would do what would fit the situation. In case of Hoenn, of course a "BW2" doesn't make sense, unless they pulled some silly forme business on the main legends... But a Johto-like.....bonus generation for Hoenn, would be quite interesting. As its been so long, they wouldn't even need to make up a second connected region for that, as Hoenn is reasonable to have changes and new places a decade later. It sounds like an obvious "beating 2 flies with one strike" case to me. They would milk the Hoenn nostalgia, but still be offering a new game at the same time. So in short, with sequel I mean anything between the "BW2" and "Johto" concepts. |
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Sevii Islands and Sinjoh Ruins have nothing to do with it because they aren't starting locations. They are extra locations. Hoenn will obviously get some new extra locations as well in remakes, most likely islands. |
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I admit that I didn't think about what you are mentioning though; that could have potential, although I doubt they'd be that distant in the future(real time has little to do with game time in this case). |
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There was no prior knowledge of a region outside of Kanto when Johto and gen 2 was made. There was no prior knowledge that B2W2 would come out. There was nothing connecting them from then until the sequels came out. All a sequel is, is a continuation of the story. ALL the Pokemon games CLOSE the story at the end of their respective titles, so everyone is wrong in relation to the story for ANY of the generations. Kanto's story was done. They closed it with Giovanni's leaving after the Gym Battle. Johto's reinclusion of Team Rocket was pretty random at the time, but an amazing addition to the story set. Again, the story itself closed after you beat Team Rocket and beat Red. Hoenn's story closed after you defeated the legend. Both "Evil" (I have in quotes cause Magma and Aqua were really just extreme PETA/Naturalists. They were hardly evil unlike the other three teams.) teams recognized the errors of their ways and simply disbanded. Sinnoh's story ends after you beat the Box Legend at the top of Spear Pillar cause that's when you beat sense into Cyrus and he disappears. Platinum only extends the story slightly to the Battle Island place where the Three commanders simply get bored of what they were doing and just leave. Unova Pre-B2W2's story ENDED when N recognized the Player's Truth/Ideal and discovers Ghetsis's betrayal. The story for Unova was over as N flew after apologizing and saying he was going look for another method. Unova B2W2 A spin reintroduction to Plasma who had effectively disbanded and like with all Main bosses, the leader disappeared, only Ghetsis returned. (If you did Looker's side quest at the end of B/W all of the Sages minus Ghetsis were arrested so there was full closure for the story. They revived the story and added an annex to it with Kyurem who wasn't part of the story from the original and not related to the two box legends in the original set of games. They revived two teams already who's stories were closed at the end of their respective games. They can EASILY BS a reason to revive Magma/Aqua with different goal because unlike B/W you were not Forced to CATCH the Mascot meaning that they could have left after being defeated, which they do if you choose not to catch them. They could even bring in another team for the sequels that are after Rayquaza and attempt to awaken it by awakening Groudon/Kyogre and repeat Aqua/Magma's steps to awakening the Contenental and Deep Sea Pokemon. There are a multitude of possibilities to continue Kyogre and Groudon's battle. Heck if they wanted two it can just be two warring factions who want to see which is better, land or sea. A set of teams that fight for the love of fighting and don't care who gets hurt along the way. Sequels are easily doable just as much as remakes are. And no they don't have to come right after their original games. Many companies can make games far apart and on different systems if they wanted. Look at FF12. It had a sequel for the Nintendo DS. Legend of Zelda's time line is sporadic and doesn't follow game release. The newest game is the Prelude to all current Zelda games so far and the one before that was the last installment to one branch created by Ocarina of Time. Now do I believe we'd get a sequel instead of a remake? No Would I like a sequel instead of a remake? No not really Do I want a Remake at all? Eventually yes, but long after the DS series is dead. Cause then I can get a RF/LG rehash as well. Do I think there is a Remake on its way? Yes. Not this year, but Next year if a new Generation doesn't rear its ugly head. Things I'd like to see in the Remake: Secret Bases with better Decorating ability. R/S/E's Secret Bases were awesome and easily the thing I liked the most next to Pokemon Contests. I was disappointed in the limitation for the Secret bases though and hope they approve upon it. Though seeing as Decorating was removed from G/S's remake (which greatly disappointed me) I have high doubts my favorite system will return. Contests. IMPROVED Contests. Like more artistic Flare in it if at all possible. Loved the contests. Was so sad how it devolved in Emerald to just Lilycove, and Sinnoh's Contests only being in Hearthome was disheartening as well. Full removal of the Contest stats in B/W and B2W2 leaves me to believe that like with Secret Bases, Contests may not make a reappearence and would be replaced by something else. What I would Not like to reappear: Battle Frontier Tents. Useless. That's all they were. Kinda pretty much it. |
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I wasn't saying a sequel would have to be right after the originals, I just see it unlikely in this case. I was more referring to how it would make sense to have the remakes and then a sequel, so everyone is pretty much on the same footing(assuming some newer fans haven't gotten around to the past games yet).
Anyways, secret bases and the original contests(with some tweaks) better make an appearance...they kind of helped make Hoenn...Hoenn. It did bother me when they were all jumbled at Lilycove, it made more sense to have them spread apart so you can join different ones during your travels. I wonder how they will manage Mirage Island this time; it was good to have it as some rare occurence, but it would be nice if we had a better chance at getting there. Btw, does anyone think they will improve on Altering Cave? If 3DS enabled, StreetPass would be perfect for something like that. |
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Sequel is made only when there is something left to make it. Unova got sequel because it had extra land for new cities, and third mascot story to be told. Hoenn has nothing of those things left. Also, Aqua/Magma disbanded forever because they saw their actions don't make sense at all. Team Rocket and Plasma were revived because they didn't realize that and wanted to try again. Reusing legendaries which were all already featured is nonsense. It would be nothing but slightly altered original story. Third team going after Rayquaza is also nonsense. What they would want? Expand the sky? It doesn't even sound sensible. Quote:
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BW was made with BW2 in mind that is clear. Hoenn was not made with sequels in mind that is clear too. But that does not prevent them from doing whatever they want, if they see it fit.
And if they did, they don't have to obey any other "rules" either. It could be sequels in the sense of GS, just with the setting still being Hoenn, meaning new pokemon popping up and a dozen new locations. Im curious whether they would do something interesting with that small icy cave in Shoal Cave if they took that route. Quote:
Northeast of Petalburg South of Fallarbor North of Route 121 East of Route 123 Or along any existing route if they wanted. Those would be potential places looking at the GBA map. However as the map would be bigger, they could put it anywhere that's not in the middle of the ocean. |
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Before HG/SS, Johto looked like it could have new cities because of huge land connection on the west, but no cities were added, only cave entrance, two routes, Safari Zone and Battle Frontier. If they refused to make new cities on the west of Johto, I highly doubt if there will be any new city in Hoenn. |
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B2W2 really didn't follow this. The airport town, Rebirth Mountain, the new 8th Gym city. Those are all within a very small section around Undella bay and there wasn't that much space there. There is a lot of unused space in Hoenn, they could even extend some small parts or blow up the map a bit more to show more spacing between cities and major location. Course as I said, they don't even NEED to do any of that for Sequels. All they'd have to do is change how some of the cities look. Upgrade or demolish, which ever they feel would fit their needs best. |
I think they'll add new areas but not for the sake of sequels. I really don't know what they would do if they do sequels instead of remakes...I mean the two evil leaders gave up their goals and actually learned their mistakes unlike Giovanni, Cyrus, Ghetsis, and N (who in a way still wants to seperate pokemon from humans). Hoenn always seemed like a one shot to me.
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Though maybe they could go a general "Evil" team this time and make a team that simply wants to destroy the region and remake it again using Kyogre/Groudon. Both could be used for the Mass Destruction purpose, almost better than the Space/Time/Void trio and the Tao Duo Dragons (I still wait for canon proof that Kyurem is more than just some Mew/Ditto relation to Reshiram/Zekrom. It being a Space Leech thing doesn't help....PokeCell wannabe.) They could literally destroy the regions just being awake. |
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And think about it - how could someone remake the world if everything would destroyed by drought/flood? It doesn't make sense. If it would make sense, Magma/Aqua would be pure evil in original games. That's why Magma/Aqua were more composed compared to other teams. And that's why they didn't want to totally dry/flood world because they knew it would be impossible to change world after that. Quote:
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You said that Hoenn can't use the unused areas, but then turn around and say within the same paragraph that the point of leaving unused areas on the map would be for expansion.
How can they expand if they can't use the Unused areas that they purposefully left on the map for Expansion? Also Hoenn's Map is zoomed further out if you read the posts instead of picking out of them. If they ZOOMED Hoenn's Map in there is ample space between locations, especially if they use B/W's style maps that show detail on them rather than topography. As for the Sequel...Team Rocket in G/S wasn't "better" than Team Rocket from R/B/Y/G. In fact they were a small pathetic fragment. And really you argue sensible logic over the already established Magic Logic Pokemon used TWICE. Palkia/Dialga were going to simply destroy the reality they were already in and create a new one. HOW is THAT more plausable than threatening to destroy a region through Flooding/Volcano to make a new region that much off base? And yes it actually is a bit more possible. Islands that have civilizations destroyed through Tsunamis and Volcanic eruptions every few centuries. After a while the water recedes or the plant life regrows on its own and the Island become re-inhabited by people that find it only to have the cycle repeat itself later down the line until the Volcano dies. Its the same basis as what Magma/Aqua were trying to do, though they just sugar coated it, thinking it wouldn't be as destructive as it was. Yes it would be a rough Carbon Copy of the original Plasma, but then again, Team Rocket in G/S/C was a rough (albiet pathetic) Carbon Copy of Team Rocket from R/B/Y/G. Team Plasma from B/W is a Carbon Copy of Team Rocket, mixed with Team Galactic's ideas, under the disguise of Team Aqua/Magma. Team Plasma wanted to become the Rulers of the world (Rocket/Ghetsis), N wanted to create a New World where Pokemon were free of Humans (Galactic's Recreate the World), and were doing so under the disguise that it was "good for the Pokemon" (Aqua/Magma's Logic for Expanding the Sea/Land). Spoiler:
Even in the Sequels all they did was recycle the same team with the same goals, using the same methods they did in the past. Why wouldn't that be possible in a Seequel for R/S? Its been done that way twice now, if a Sequel were to happen, then there is a good chance it'll happen again. |
Wall of text incoming! I have no doubts Ruby/Sapphire will be getting remade, and here's the three reasons why with some explanations: 1. It'll bring in lots of money, probably without costing them a lot. Although Ruby/Sapphire didn't bring in the most money out of the main-series games, they still brought in millions of dollars. There's no way Pokemon games cost as much money to make as a game like Halo or CoD, plus they already have the Black 2/White 2 engine to tweak and or build off of. If they remade Ruby/Sapphire and the games only sold 6 million worldwide Gamefreak would probably break more then even. 2. There's a demand for them. This one is pretty self-explanatory. Lots of people, myself included, love Hoenn and want to see it remade with b-e-a-utiful graphics and story tweaks. Yes, you can still get all your Hoenn Pokemon onto your Gen 4/Gen 5 games, but you have to have a DS Lite. If you don't you're out of luck, and even if you still do, it's a tedious process. 3. It would follow "tradition" or the "pattern", whatever you wanna call it. Red, Green, and Blue are new games, the start of the series, Yellow is the third version. Gold and Silver are new, Crystal is the third version. Consider them as sequels, though. Next up are Ruby and Sapphire, new games. FireRed and LeafGreen are next, which are 1st Gen remakes, then Emerald, the third Hoenn game. Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum come out, then HG/SS, the 2nd Gen remakes. Black and White make their debut, they're new AND the reboots of the series, it was confirmed that's what they were supposed to be. Their sequels are announced next. So, it goes like this: New games > (indirect)Sequels > New games/Remakes > New games/Remakes > New games(reboots) > Sequels What's left to complete the pattern? New games, and remakes! Those remakes being Ruby/Sapphire remakes. Then again, my established pattern is as easily dismissible as anyone else's, lol. They'll make them, I'm sure of it, and I can't wait for it to finally happen. Also, we all know there's references to past regions in newer games, as well as possible hints to remakes, here's one from Black 2/White 2: Spoiler:
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As far as "hints" go, have Game Freak ever admitted to purposely implementing hints to remakes in other games within the same generation? Such as those that were pointed out in D/P/Pt signalling G/S remakes? If not then all "hints" picked up on by fans from BW/B2W2 "signalling" R/S/E remakes are made entirely redundant, in my opinion.
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Or heck if they combined the ideas "reusing Hoenn" and "new generation, new handheld", and made gen VI located in new Hoenn+new places, they could even give them different pokes. And if not, they could still add more of the 450 non-Hoenn pokes to mix it up a bit. Quote:
Simply using BWs template for example would allow for a handful of towns without it being too crowded, but the maps would also be bigger. Or they could make Hoenns map just one half of the full new Hoenn map. They can do whatever they come up with in this case. And as pointed out, Yamaji town. Even I would have never thought they would squeeze it in there, but they did. Quote:
There was data in DP for pokemon "from Johto (Gold)" and "from Johto (Silver)". That is serious stuff. Red and blue flags are not. I mean, there is a difference between meaningless hints and intentional hype making hints. For example: the Red Gyarados on the TV at the beginning of DP. Every single person on the planet who saw that, was reminded of GS. That was the intention. When you see a red and blue flag in front of a building, however, it is meaningless. Only the 5 people who are depserately looking for "hints" will even consider them to be hints. Also, the intentional references (not merely vague meaningless hints) would probably occur in the same generation as the remakes are made. Gen 5 is finished. The DS is finished. Whatever is next, it will be new. Doesn't matter if it will involve Hoenn. Everything is realistic except normal simple RS remakes. |
I remember that people used the Park balls of DPPt as a sign that GS was going to be remade...
Not all hints have to be obvious but than again we can't go around saying everything that is red and blue is a hint for RS remakes. By the way the flags of Nimbasa are Red and Green (FrLg remakes!? sarcasm mode). I don't think this generation is over...so far according to bulbapedia it's at the 500's (in terms of days) while even RBGY had 700, GSC had 800 or so. While Generations III and IV were well into the thousands. |
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I agree that red and blue flags are not enough to consider them as hints. There are much more plausible things than those flags. If red Gyarados on TV was intention of reminding G/S/C - then water/magma cave from B2/W2 is intention of reminding R/S/E. Yes it is, people immediately were speaking about Hoenn after seeing that cave. "There was data in DP for pokemon "from Johto (Gold)" and "from Johto (Silver)"" - yes it was, but it wasn't used in games. All Pokemon caught in HG/SS transferred to D/P/Pt are said to be caught in "faraway place", not in Johto. Anyway, R/S remakes don't need to be hinted with such hidden data because Pokemon caught in Hoenn can be transfered to gen 5, therefore Hoenn location data is already used in gen 5 games. |
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It was used. I don't mean the text that's actually displayed ingame. If you caught the exact same pokemon with the exact same data in HG and SS, the part of their data that contains information on what game they are from will be different. The game checks them and is programmed to show Faraway place for both. There was exactly 2 kinds of unused game origin data in DPt reserved for HG and SS. |
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This is similar to "hints" from DPPt signalling HGSS remakes. Other than the Red Gyarados hint (which is an actual hint, since that was an exclusive in-game event for GSC) most other hints were similar to "oh look, those flags are red and blue, like Ruby and Sapphire........HOLY CRAP IT'S A CONSPIRACY". |
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The closest thing to a hint IMO are the magma and aqua grunts in iccurus city. They mention what aqua and magma did but why would both of them say what they did when in rs only one of the teams did that. Emerald remake? IMO the grunts should've been version exclusive characters if it were to be a hint at RS remakes.
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FiercingRuby VastSapphire JadeEmerald well just kiddding, but i really wait for this game release! |
The grunts would be the closest we got to "hints"...
...if it wasn't for the fact that the same house held a Rocket grunt in BW! To clarify, it's just text, they aren't in their costumes or anything. Like the equivalent in BW, they say how they were grunts of said teams in the past, and that you should not tell their wife/husband (who was the opposite team and essentially says the same thing). |
They took the Funky talking Rocket Member's house in Icirrus. It was mentioned earlier in the thread and written off as an Easter Egg simply because they took the Rocket Member's spot.
And no it doesn't really mean Emerald Remake. Ruby, Magma tried to destroy the Region and expand land. Sapphire, Aqua tried to destroy the region and expand the sea. Both events happened, doesn't matter if it was in one game or 2. Both events still happened. And no the closets thing we have for a hint is pretty much the cave with different appearances. The Rocket didn't signify anything when he was in B/W and the Aqua/Magma couple took his house which is only accessible in the winter. It was an Easter Egg in B/W so its an Easter Egg in B2W2. |
They could both be classed as hints or coincidences, we said the exact same about Gold & Silver with many references to Johto and other similarities so it could just be grasping or Nintendo planted them there purposely since they like to know how we think.
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There's actually been more hints for Kanto remakes like Rocket appearing in BW, Rocket's music in Game Freak.
Also I've noticed most aren't considering the hints of Gen IV for RSE remakes. The guy in Sinnoh's resort mentioned he wanted to go see the rocket launch in Mossdeep. Steven appeared in HgSs. There's actually much more hints for remakes in Gen IV than this generation it seems... Also who says we need hints GF can just come out and announce the games out of the blue like they did with FrLg which had no real hints, even less so than Rs remakes have now...we have no real pattern with remakes yet it seems (they might not even come out at all...). |
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That Rustboro theme is probably one of the worst music pieces I've heard in the series. Mainly because it sounds nothing like it's supposed to be. If it were original and not the Rustboro theme, it could work. But that theme has already been established and that...doesn't work. |
I wouldn't go as far as saying Red & Blue banners represent hints towards RS remakes, Red and Blue are the two most commonly used colours so you couldn't call every duo of Red & Blue hints towards Ruby & Sapphire. However, if they are currently working on the remakes atleast they have the Gym Leader sprites ready which I personally love.
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I have a theory, it's not a good one but it's something. Before I say it let me say I know the anime has nothing to do with the games but for promotional purposes I think I can use this.
Have you ever noticed that in the anime after every odd numbered region there is a filler ark? Kanto (Gen I) -> Orange Islands (nothing to promote being R|B|Y were the only games out. Stalling until G|S come out.) -> Jhoto (Gen II) -> Hoenn (Gen III) -> Kanto (used to promote Emerald using the Battle Frontier & FR|LG taking place in Kanto. Stalling until D|P) -> Sinnoh (Gen IV) -> Unova (Gen V) -> ? Maybe they will do what they did with Gen I & III & send Ash on a side quest to either Hoenn (unlikely) or an anime on region like Orange Islands (possible). they could use this side quest to promote R|S|E Remakes like they did with Gen III. If he goes straight to the Gen VI region then maybe the remakes will be released during Gen VI or will not be released at all although I'm hoping they are. It's sort of farfetched but it's something to work with. P.S: For those wondering why they didn't do it with HG|SS it's because it was fully promoted in the DP Series using Lyra & promo for the Pokelthon (spellcheck) without the need of a filler ark. Edit: If we get Remakes I'm excited to see what they do with the contest & secret bases ( I hope they bring these back) |
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Red Gyarados is similar kind of hint like water/magma cave in B2/W2 - something reminding of the region they possibly plan to remake. I would also say that having two opposing groups of Plasma in B2/W2 could be also reference to Hoenn because no other region has two opposing groups. Btw, speculations about R/S remakes resemble the ones about G/S remakes. Like in this article from 2007: http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Diamond,_Pearl_and_what_beyond%3F |
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Perhaps for the remakes they could also add the Ryukyu islands for new areas to explore,which are south of Kyushu (in Hoenn's case they would be in the east). They could be like Hoenn's version of the Sevii islands.
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The next year should be interesting, as I think there is no doubt we will get another main game next year since we already had (almost) the two year gap between B/W and B2W2, so we should get at least one other main game next year before GF has another 2 year gap before releasing the next main series game. So, it could be either R/S remakes or Gen VI. I see it being Gen VI though, because I just don't see them releasing R/S remakes on DS anymore and I don't see them making the first 3DS main game.. a remake.
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The caves? No, they won't make everyone think of RS. They could still be a homage to RS of course, but they are nowhere near what the Red Gyarados was in for. Some random kid that doesn't check the internet for any poke news all the time, when playing White 2, it'll go like "oh a lava cave, how awesome is that", and won't even know its a boring water-themed cave in Black 2 unless they play it too... I mean, if the caves weren't showcased in corocoro to point out another difference between versions, it would have taken much longer for this thread to notice it. Also, the new plasma reminded me of Johtos Rocket if anything, not Aqua/Magma at all... |
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The Red Gyarados story from DPPt is most definitely a direct reference to the GSC games. Otherwise why would they just randomly include something as obvious as that? |
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There also wasn't a Water Cave exclusive to Sapphire and a Magma Cave Exclusive to Ruby.
And what? When did Kyurem stop the fight between Zekrom and Reshiram? I never saw that happen. Old Plasma and New Plasma don't oppose each other in the same way that Aqua and Magma did. If anything they hardly oppose each other at all. They simply don't share the same view but are working towards the same goal. The Plasma relationship in B2W2 is nothing like Aqua/Magma's relationship. Cheren, your Rival, and you are the only ones directly attacking Team Plasma the other Plasma team are just sitting and waiting for N. So there was no fight in B2W2 that relates to any fights in R/S. Spoiler:
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I think Womba is reffering to Origin cave being filled with Lava in Ruby and Water in Sapphire in the room you capture the respective legend.
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I think those events are similar to each other (not literally, but schemes are similar) and different from what happened with Creation Trio in Platinum because Dialga and Palkia don't even fight with each other and there is also only one team leader Cyrus, not two leaders like in Emerald or B2/W2. |
Uh.....Did you even play Ruby/Sapphire? Maxie and Archie did not start a conflict between their legends. The Legends hated each other and started fighting on their own. Magma and Aqua had nothing to do with them fighting.
N vs Ghetsis was a simple Pokemon battle between one of the Old Legends under N's Control and the Third Legend Kyurem. That still isn't any where NEAR being similar. N wasn't even said to be the leader of the Old Team Plasma, he's basically a more helpful Red in the new games. Only reason we associate him with Plasma because he was with Plasma. Also Ghetsis WANTED to absorb the Dragon N was carrying so they didn't stop a conflict between two legend. N lost the battle against Ghetsis and had his dragon stolen. The fight wasn't resolved by a Third Legend, but incited by the third. The events on B2W2 are not similar to the events of R/S/E. There is still only 1 Evil team in B2W2 not 2 evil teams. |
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Since B2W2 had 3DS apps/games associated with them perhaps the remakes could further dive into the uses of the 3Ds, perhaps it'll be the first 3Ds game though it'll be strange seeing how so far no generation has changed devices at the end but than again this generation hasn't been so predictable. |
Something I though of, that could be totally wrong and probabally sounds REALLY stupid, but maybe possibly, they could release RS remakes as the first games on the 3DS, and maybe put placeholder spots for the 6th generation Pokemon in the data ready to be downloaded when the 6th generation games come out, and when they do, they can do some type of DLC type thing so you can "Update" the games and be able to have 6th gen Pokemon, attacks and abilities? Sounds stupid and unrealistic, I know but hey, it might be possible. I don't know how the whole system works.
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Not stupid, but it won't be something we'd see most likely due to an issue with that kinda data creating. If the remakes are made with Gen 6 in mind, then all the Gen 6 sprites, abilities, items, and attacks would be preloaded into the remakes. Cartridge games are very finicky with injecting new code into them and corrode very easily when you do, which is why over use of Action Replays and Game Sharks ruined most of the older games.
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If they did go that route, which could actually be an intelligent move since they could focus on figuring out the 3DS with that and use it professionally for the actual new games later, but they would simply make it a one way trade like we have seen in the past. I still seriously disagree that plain remakes would be a good move, especially at this weird moment between handhelds. |
I want An S/R/E remake but havent seen one sof ar .. i miss the battle frontier =(
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I would say an RS remake is most likely inevitable, sooner or later graphics are going to be far more advanced than they currently are so to keep Hoenn in the current graphics would just be too dated which would kinda give them no choice. That's just basing it off the graphics side of things however, I mean heck even now they're already way ahead of what they were back then.
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Gen I and II were remade because they were both outdated and the battery died on most of them. Since Gen III is far from outdated, I don't think they'll remake it soon. We need to see Gen VI first and see how the game has evolved.
I really don't see a point in remaking it. I really love the Gen and I think it's fine as it is. Nothing has changed except for graphics. And if they remake this, then fans will demand a new Kanto remake, and then a Sinnoh remake, and a new Johto remake, Unova remake etc. |
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1) Two conflicted leaders (or ex-leader in N's case) are responsible of causing fight between two legendaries by awakening them or bringing them to one place, 2) Two legendaries fight, 3) Appearance or creation of another legendary/another form ends the fight, 4) Player is not capable of catching any of seen legendary Pokemon during the final events. Emerald and B2/W2 are the only games with that trait. I mean that if there is similarity in story scheme in Emerald and B2/W2, it could mean R/S remakes with Emerald story addition in gen 5. Because G/S/C and D/P/Pt also have similarities in story scheme, such as going by boat to new land after beating League or receiving Togepi egg during storyline (in Platinum). |
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1) Major difference. Team Aqua/Magma didn't purposefully make them fight nor did they expect them to fight after being awakened. They both thought that they could control Groudon and Kyogre with the orbs which they could not. Unlike N and Ghetsis which was a straight Battle between two Pokemon owned by two different trainers. One is an accidental battle and the other was a forced battle. 3) Appearence and Creation are TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS. Ya know what that means? They aren't similar. Rayquaza had to be awakened to stop the fighting. If not then Rayquaza wouldn't have stopped the fighting and Kyogre and Groudon would have destroyed the region. It also took the appearance of Rayquaza to end the fight. Spoiler:
Those scenarios are night and day and aren't similar in the smallest bit. 4) You also don't battle Kyogre/Groudon/Rayquaza during their movie, Spoiler:
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The two events are different period now let's move on to some more realistic hints shall we?
This is a theory not a hint but all three weather trio members can only be captured in Emerald (without the need to trade) out of the five games they have been in (RSEHgSs). Perhaps since in the GS remakes they were version exclusives with Kyogre in Hg and Groudon in Ss the three will be together in the remakes in an Emerald like conclusion to the event. |
Instead of hints, let's just talk about what we think we'll see/want to see in them then, haha. I know speculation covers a lot of everything else we've all talked about, but that seems to be doing more damage than good really and everyone's just getting sidetracked. :S
As I mentioned before, does anyone think Altering Cave will get better use this time? The 3DS' streetpass/spotpass could be perfect for something like that, along with that Special storage box paper thing(where you can get the Pikachu wallpaper) and Secret Bases of course. I also wonder how Mirage Island will come into play this time. It was a real pain to access before, although understandable, just hope they'd make it a more realistic chance this time. Do you think they'll expand on the Safari Zone? Is anyone looking forward to being able to plant berries all over again? It's one of the things that gave Hoenn its more natural feel, so I'd hope they wouldn't leave it out. |
I was thinking that since HGSS had both Johto and Kanto in them, Nintendo might make an RSE remake with Hoenn and Sinnoh? Could be fairly likely.
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Mirage Island I'm sure would make a come back. It's not something I care much for though, because I never saw it haha. And my batteries in RS have died, so I forget about planting berries really, even in Emerald even though my battery isn't dead for that game. I used to really enjoy berries as a kid though, cause I also did lots of contests, so naturally, I was using berries to make Pokeblocks. I would like more incentive to plant berries again though, so if they are remade, I would probably plant berries and do contests, if they're back as well and not too corny like DPPt's Super Contests. |
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I think I remember seeing Mirage Island only once? It has more potential as well, they could add in more than just Wynatt and Liechi berries. There definitely needs to be more factors involved as well, obviously. Do you think they could allow there to be other Pokes with a higher chance of obtaining ones with DW abilities? As for berries, I used them a lot as well. The original contests made them more appealing I guess, along with Pokeblocks. It was especially fun to do that kind of stuff with friends. I guess I was just berry happy then; always would stop by if I saw a fully grown berry plant and pick it, then plant another. Even went to the Berry Master and his wife often to get a chance at some rarer ones. They had THE biggest amount of berry plots in one spot, so it was a popular spot to plant as much variety as you could. Speaking of berries and all of this 'chance' stuff, does anyone remember all of the little "special events" that randomly went on? That Master Pokeblock making guy visiting the Pokemon Contest Hall and helping you make crazy good Pokeblocks? The special Lilycove Dept. Store rooftop sale for even more Secret Base decorations? Those among others were mad fun to do when you got the chance. Another thing, didn't someone mention how mixing records could work with Street/Spotpass? I remember finding it amusing whenever I saw my friends' achievements on Tv ingame. RSE added many fun things that we'd hope would get expanded on. |
I like that idea about the Safari Zone. Also, since you mentioned Dream World Pokemon, how about Altering Cave having DW ability Pokemon after using Street Pass or whatever? Alter makes me think of alternative, which you know, DW abilities are usually a better alternative to the normal abilities. I think it'd work great. I like the idea about Pokeblocks in Safari Zone as well, as long as it's not some convoluted Pokeblock that's hard to make haha. Maybe instead it could attract Pokemon of certain natures? iirc, the cool, cute, etc moves have a color that corresponds to them, as well as the berries corresponding, which goes with natures too. I'd have to go look at Serebii to explain it better. But like you know, yellow Pokeblock attracts Pokemon with +def natures, blue attracts +sp att natures, etc. That make sense?
I never used the Pokeblock man, but I did like the Dept. Store, cause you could get decorations to put in your base to get across holes, which the best ones had holes. But yeah, it's little things like those special events that made it nice too. What else do you think could be added? |
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I'm thinking Gen6 will come out September of next year, with the first Pokemon being revealed in Feburary's corocoro. Its alot similar to B/W, but every year since 2005, except 2011, we've had a new Pokemon revealed in Feburary. This year, we had Keldeo. 2010 had Zoroark, 2009 had Arceus, 2008 had Shaymin+Giritina's new form, 2007 had Darkrai, 2006 had Manaphy, and 2005 had Lucario. It makes you wonder what they'll reveal this Feburary. It can't be an event Pokemon, as those have all been revealed already. It leads me to believe that it will be a gen6 Pokemon. If this is true, there won't be R/S remakes in fifth gen, nor would there be a need for a filler saga. Quote:
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I think they will proably due away with the Altering cave, perhaps they'll add some version exclusive location to it like the water and magma caves in B2W2. Or perhaps they could put Hoenn's version of Black City and White forest.
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What would be really cool is if Nintendo did a scene like the ones with Reshiram and zekrom in BW, except with Rayquaza, Kyogre and Groudon.
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Back to ideas, I know it's a bit...dated, but does anyone think we'll have any use for Trainer Hill back? There wasn't really a wow factor to it, but it might have some kind of potential I guess, haha. I actually used it a bit, in all honesty.(having a tough time with this one) Does anyone think that one Winstrate Family and Vito would be given a somewhat bigger role in the remakes? The family seemed to make too big a deal of Vito especially to just leave him out. Maybe you could see him from time to time on your travels, he might help out with something. Who knows... Does anyone think we'll see some kind of new game involved at the game corner in Mauville(seeing as slots are probably out of the question)? The game corner should end up like that games place on one of the Sevii Islands in FrLg; it could go beyond the usual casino-type place and be given games that can be wirelessly played with others. I'm probably getting carried away, but these could be some really PACKED games; a lot of ideas that could be brought back and up-to-date. |
Vito appeared in Victory road, his name is Victor though (I think the english version over looked the connection between him and the family hence the two names but they're meant to be the same person in the jp version).
Perhaps they'll add the Wt to Mauville seeing how it they removed gambling thanks to the Eu. By the way Emerald's Mossdeep had the wireless game place iirc as well. Perhaps they'll put the Extralink on the Mossdeep island. |
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The Remakes would only cater to what the original games had, so the highlights should be Secret Bases(if they return), Contest Halls(if they don't just stick it in Lillycove or remove it altogether). All of the other Specials were exclusive to the other games so I wouldn't expect to see those kinda mechanics in the remakes. Very little chance that the remakes would get Dream World capabilities as well seeing as B/W didn't get Pokewalker link ability. Other than Contests and Secret Bases...oh and the Trick House, Hoenn didn't have a specific Gimmicked location special to it. (Two of which carried on into the next Generation) |
You can really tell they are pushing our hopes into thinking RS remakes are possible since there are...
A) Appearances and New Sprites of Gym Leaders and Champions in BW 2 B) There are plenty of remade sprites specifically for Ruby and Sapphire pokemon C) They are bringing in NPCs that hint about Hoenn in BW and so on... |
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What kind of graphics would it be? I would hope for the classic RSE graphic, and not some Pokémon Black/White graphics. Just my opinion.
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I reckon it'd almost certainly be B/W-esque graphics. After all, FR/LG had R/S/E-esque graphics, and HG/SS had D/P/P-esque graphics. Besides, it's an opportunity to show off Hoenn with more advanced graphics, and the whole point of a remake is to remake the game with more advanced features, not to clone the original game. It'd be pretty boring if it was just R/S/E with fifth gen compatibility, since we've already played R/S/E, many people multiple times, and I imagine most people want something new with any remake that comes from the third gen. XD
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@ Xander I don't see the Extralink as a location per say but more of games similar to how FrLgE had the doduo berry game though wi-fi. Though if it lacks extralink I hope they add some wi-fi uses as it'll be lacking in them compared to BWB2W2.
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With the possible return of Contests, we have Local Wifi Linked Contests, Pokeblock Mini Game, possible return of Mix Record for Secret Bases...and then normal battle Wifi linkage. |
Yeah, Pokeathlon at least had local WiFi, I played it with friends on numerous occasions(if that's the kind you weren't sure about). Mixing records was fun for Secret bases, seeing your friends on TV, Battle Frontier records, etc. Making Pokeblocks with friends was fun.
We also might see the return of those Mossdeep minigames, Dodrio berry picking and that Pokemon Jump thing, along with maybe some extra additions(although we can't be sure what they'll do to the Mauville Game Corner...we might just see a new 'risk' game there, like HGSS got Voltorb Flip). Hopefully they'll allow regular WiFi for a lot of these situations(Contests should be a must!!). There's so much they could open up a bit more by doing that. |
I forgot about the Game Corner crap. Ugh. And RSE's Game Corner is really good to buy coins from. Flamethrower, Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, Psychic...good stuff. Some of my favorite moves. It would be a PAIN to have to do Voltorb Flip to get the coins to buy them, cause I'm worse at Voltorb Flip than roulette. I actually used to play the roulette in RSE lol...thought it was funnnn.
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Or, you know, let us buy coins because not everyone is interested in playing whatever minigames they could possibly think to put in there.
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Isn't it based off of European laws on the matter though?(Unless it has changed for others; not trying to stray too far off topic) I mean I don't mind Voltorb Flip at all, as I really liked it, and wouldn't mind seeing even more new games, but I kind of miss the slots as well; wish the rest of us could have gotten it along with a new game, Japanese games got it in HGSS still.
This is what has made me wonder what they'll do with Mauville's Game Corner, although it probably will be a new game. I was a huge fan of the Roulette Wheel though, it was mad fun. I think a lot of us are more interested in being able to buy coins though. :S I also hope that little game place in Mossdeep will pop back up. |
I don't see the point in the ban tbh, it's hardly influencing anything... I mean it's a Pokemon Game, 3+ year olds aren't going to comprehend what's going on really, they're just playing it for the coins and the Pokemon, right?
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Well you know people, they can sometimes make the biggest deal out of something so little.
I miss the roullets...perhaps they could have a game show style thing in which we play for coins. I really want there to be an extralink in the remakes...it's not all that farfetched simply because it's a location in Unova I mean Sinnoh and Johto shared the same BF which was a location too...plus the extralink is said to be a mysterious location... If not than I hope they add some of the new features like the making your own store in B2W2, Hoenn could have it's own version of it. Another nice thing would be if the Poketholon was added, I liked that place, perhaps it could take the place of one of the battle tents. Perhaps add in Musicals and Movies in the other two locations of the tents...it'll add a lot of mini games to do in Hoenn. |
The roulette was so awesome. They should totally bring it back. I used that thing so much
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Same here, I liked it better than the slots. Hoenn's Game corner was my favorite out of the four. Hopefully they'll decide to add it to the Jp and NA, and Aussie versions and simply leave it out of Eu versions this time... |
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I'd love to see them back too, but somehow I think Game Freak will stick to some novelty game like the Voltorb Flip, unfortunately. |
I don't get why people think a remake is confirmed just because NPCs talk about the region in the current games.
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