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Why do you think Black and White has recieved so many bad remarks?
Why do you think Black and White has recieved so many bad remarks as oppose to the other main series games?
Is it because the pokemon seem much more fake than the others? Is it because the of lack of post-game? Personally, even though i stayed with Pokemon since the original 151, I think there is room for change, technology is changing drastically around us. Black and White in my mind are some the best pokemon games i've played. Everyone and anyone, put your opinions here. |
I don't know too many people that hated it outside of people who cannot look beyond their "childhood" (which I find very sad) and refuse to play anything new, even though it is far better with content and story.
It's true that not everyone will be pleased, but I feel those who hated it just never gave it a real chance. Or just wanted all old Pokemon and didn't want to accept new things. B2/W2 will change that for them, but if they still think that's a bad game, they are just fooling themselves. |
The only reason I can think of is the Pokemon. People are always hating on the names and designs, for whatever reason I don't know. I definitely don't agree. Overall I feel like the games get better with every generation. Nostalgia is nostalgia, but I love new opportunities.
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There's effectively no postgame, many of the new designs were lackluster, there were yet again too many legendaries, the region was boring, the Pokemon themselves were overly detailed with tons of spikes, armor, and markings, there was no good battle facility (I.E. Battle Tower, Battle Frontier), no Safari Zone, no good rivals, the starters were boring, and the game was too bloody easy.
Even the Online Random Matchup mode isn't any good because everyone uses a hacked team of max-stat WonderTombs and the like. And I'm not saying this because of nostalgia. I started out with Sapphire Version, and I still don't like Black and White too much. Especially after HeartGold and SoulSilver. With HG/SS, Game Freak set a new standard for Pokemon games. You had conveniences like the running shoes toggle, series mainstays like the Safari zone, fun options such as the Pokemon-following-you feature, great challenges such as Red, and a great roster of Pokemon. |
I personally think Black and White were just okay. Going solely on their own merits, they were fine, but compared to HeartGold and SoulSilver, they felt like a step backward. That could just be the nostalgia talking though, since the Johto games were always my favorites.
As for the Pokemon themselves, I disliked most of them at first, but they've really grown on me. In fact, I'd say that design-wise, Gen V is my favorite so far. |
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Gen 5 introduced 156 Pokemon, with 8.3% being Legendary, so going by percentage, there were less Legends introduced compared to standard normal Pokemon. And since each of these Pokemon are limited to only 1 per game, there cannot be too many Legendary Pokemon unless you are hacking them all because 3 are automatically unavailable being Event Pokemon, and 2 of them are version exclusive, with the Kami trio needing both of them to gain access to the other. In-game, you can only catch 7 of the Legendary Pokemon without outside assitance, as compared to the 4 in Red/Green/Blue/Yellow. 3 is hardly a major increase out of 649 Pokemon. Quote:
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Pokemon following was nice, but I feel extremely overrated. It's cool to see your Pokemon following you, but is it really THAT big of a deal that people deem it absolutely horrible that Gen 5 didn't have it too? Besides, the Pokemon following you rarely served a purpose other than just being there. As said earlier, B/W has Morimoto and Cynthia, not to mention rematches with Cheren and Bianca. This was also the first time becoming Champion was saved for postgame, so there was plenty to do postgame, as well as plenty of powerful trainers to face. "Great roster of Pokemon" seems like an opinion, considering there were plenty of interesting Pokemon introduced in B/W, while B2W2 focused on the return of the older ones. |
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I played Black and White and like it and all but the reason why I hate it is because all of the Gen 5 Pokemon suck. They don't look anything like real Pokemon it seems like GameFreak didn't even try on this one. The game had a good story and all just like all the other's but the pokemon look ridiculous.
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---- For me, I loved this generation and I honestly don't see why people think so negatively of it. The only reasons I could think of were the fact that people are so nostalgic and the minimal postgame material. Another factor, I suppose, could be the fact that some people aren't used to the new EXP system? |
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Why do these threads always get my attention?
I've mentioned it in the other thread that the flaws this gen had that are far more noticeable than other. Being someone who liked all gens (especially 3 and 4, so if anything I'm a "newbie".) save for this one, I hope people don't blindly accuse my opinions to be biased and nostalgia-filled. Anyway, I'll make my points smaller and more straight to the point this time than the other thread. I'll also list them in bullet points.
That is not to say B/W is a bad game by any standards, as for what it has, it is still a fun, full-fledged Pokemon game, but it doesn't have anything to make it the best, let alone NOT the worst. It is marketed towards newer and more casual audience, what with it being short, easy and simple, and as such the points I have made above are kind of moot to the bigger % of those who have bought the games. Fortunately, B/W2 fixed most of these "flaws". |
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Would you like to compare? I can find you several Pokemon that look odd in every generation. http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/1/19/Spr_5b_103.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/0/0e/Spr_5b_124.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/9/9c/Spr_5b_122.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/c/cb/Spr_5b_097_m.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/4/4a/Spr_5b_235.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/6/65/Spr_5b_272_m.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/7/73/476.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/0/07/Spr_5b_400_m.png So, how are these any better than the ones in Gen 5? They aren't. They're all Pokemon. Just because they look different doesn't mean they don't look like a Pokemon. And "didn't even try"? How about these? http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/8/8a/Spr_5b_100.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/b/b5/101.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/6/68/050.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/8/81/051.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/7/78/088.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/7/77/089.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/b/bc/081.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/6/63/082.png These Pokemon were very simple, but the only reason people don't complain about them is because they came first. How is this: http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/6/68/Spr_5b_003_m.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/e/e1/Spr_5b_006.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/3/3d/Spr_5b_009.png any more or less creative than this?: http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/9/99/497.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/b/be/500.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/5/53/Spr_5b_503.png Answer: they're not. Game Freak has to find ways to make new Pokemon stand out from older Pokemon, which is why the don't all look alike. Don't get me wrong, I grew up with the first Gen, but those are some of the most basic designs of them all. There is nothing wrong with any Gen 5 Pokemon. The Taoism theme with the Unova dragons was a great idea, so I don't know how anyone can say they "didn't try" with such a great concept. http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/3/3c/643.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/f/f3/Spr_5b_644.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/d/d9/646.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/3/3b/646B.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/4/40/646W.png And no, they didn't go overboard. They introduced 13 Legendary Pokemon with 143 regular Pokemon. In all, 47 Pokemon are Legendary while 602 are not. That is only 7.2% of all Pokemon. |
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1. Don't try to argue with me cuz I know im gonna win 2. Blastoise is a turtle, Charizard is a dragon and idk exactly what Venasuar is. Idk wth the 5th Gen are? I also stated that all gen's have some pokemon that make you think wtf. I never said they weren't pokemon, they just don't look like "Pokemon" compared to the other Pokemon. They look like they were half assed. Pokemon used to look like a lot of animals to an extent and a lot of the Pokemon were just monsters but when you get Pokemon like Ice Cream cones and chandlers then you know they ain't "true" Pokemon. |
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The above poster made a very good point, while your argument is pretty baseless and just makes you seem biased. ELABORATE on your points about them not looking like Pokemon, instead of making this tiring statement. Also, simplicity does NOT equal to creativity. EDIT: Although I do think Zekyurem/Kyureshiram or whatever they're actually called to be bad designs. It's not that they're too digimon-like (I actually like Digimon), they're just flat out ugly and messy. |
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Emboar - boar/pig. Again, rather obvious. Samurott - otter/sea lion. Really, just looking at their names will tell you what they are. Quote:
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And why can't a Pokemon be based off ice cream? We had one based on eggs and a pineapple, which oddly enough are part of the same evolutionary line. And chandeliers either? What about a living Pokeball, or living magnet? What's the difference? Again, what is the definition of a "true Pokemon"? |
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Serperior is a combination of both a serpent and a vine, while having the characteristic and design of a royal figure. Emboar is a flaming, gruesome boar that has the looks of a bulky wrestler. Samurott is a sea lion that takes inspiration from a Samurai. To add to that, they also seem to resemble figures from various chinese and japanese mythology. It's things like these that makes you appreciate the design of these Pokemon. While Venusaur and Blastoise took inspiration from a wild flower and a tank respectively, they just added a huge flower on the back of a frog/saurian hybrid and two cannons on a bipedal tortoise. BW starters have much more creative designs, while gen 1's are simple. |
IMO Pokemon are suppose to look something like oversized animals or "living" creatures; it it be flowers, trees, vines, bugs, etc. like they did in the early gen's. This is gonna be long but I"m gonna show you exactly what I mean.
Bulbasaur is a creature with a root on its back, then evolves into Ivysaur which has leaves coming out of the roots meaning its "GROWING" then finally into its final evolution venasaur which is a tree with leaves and a mushroom/flower. Now Blastoises whole evolutionary form is "turtles", Charizard is a dragon, Butterfee and Beedrills evolutionary chain is a Caterpillar, into a cacoon, into a Butterfly/Bee, Pidgeots is "birds", Raticates "rats", Fearow "birds", Arbok "snakes", Pikachu "mouse", Ninetales "fox", Crobats "bats", Vileplumes "creatues with flowers" same with Bellossom, Parasects "mushrooms", Persians "Cats", Primeape "monkey/pig lol", Arcanines "dogs", Machamps "roided up human beings", Victrebell "flowers, kinda", Rapidash's "horses", Farfetch'd and Dodrio's "birds", Dewgong's "sea lions", Kinglers "crabs", Kangaskhan "kangaroo", Seaking "fish", Tauros "bull", Magikarp "fish", Aerodactyl "dinasaur/bird", Zapdos, Molters, Articuno "birds", Dragonite "dragons". The rest are made up creatures but could easily pass for an animal or living creature if they wanted to. Now 5th gen. up to Stoulands evolutions forms is nothing, Stoulands "dogs", Liepard "cats", Unfenzant "birds", Zebstrika "zebras", Basculin "pirahanna", Swanna "ducks", Sawbuck "deer", Buffoulant "buffalo", Mandibuzz "vulture" and that's all, the rest look nothing like they could be living creatures. Did I make a point this time? I know they're all Pokemon I never said they weren't quit jumping to conclusion! I still play the game so STFU about then not looking like Pokemon cuz they don't. |
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Besides, you purposely left out many animal Pokemon in Gen 5 and included some from Gen 1 that would never pass as "real", like Blastoise with its cannons, and a Venusaur with the tree on its back. That's not realistic. Your attempts to make Gen 1 seem far better or more creative are only proving how simple those designs were compared to now. |
That's because gen I-IV are better creations.
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How is the fire breathing dragon Charizard more of a Pokemon than ANYTHING in Gen 5? Yes, it is a cool Pokemon, but...it's just a fire breathing dragon. |
They put too much creations in Gen 5, I'm not trying to say they aren't Pokemon they just eh, don't seem like Pokemon anymore. Maybe it's cuz I grew up with the 1st gen, idk. The gen 5 Pokemon look like digimon more than Pokemon.
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Also, the game had the Battle Subway, which is the same thing as the Battle Tower. Quote:
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I'm sure you'll never respond to this, but if you do it'll be something like, "Hurr huur B/W has Ice Cream Pokemanz!!!!" |
I've despised Gen V all up to maybe about a week ago. xD
I thought the Pokemon were incredibly stupid. (Trubbish, the ice cream cone, Timburr..) But now I realize there are some good ones like Snivy and Galvantula, imo. |
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Just keep in mind this isn't for your own personal opinion, rather it's for why you think others dislike them. |
I bought Black and White when they came out, and I will admit, at first I didn't like majority of the designs. I think at they just looked 'strange' to me because I wasn't used to seeing them pop up in the wild. XD
But they have grown on me and I can't wait to play Black and White 2. :D Though I've seen hate from people who haven't actually even played BW. Like, they have already decided they don't like it when they haven't gave it a chance. That annoys me, lol. :) Black and White 2 = <3 :P |
Honestly other that here in general I have not seen any real "Bad" reviews of the games. Majority of the complaints I've ever found were here, and maybe 1 or two elsewhere but other than that, its been nothing but praise or indifference.
For me there is nothing wrong with the games. I don't get why so many gripe about them. I've been with the series since the US got them, so I've been with it almost since its birth. I love the route that things are going with the games. |
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ESPECIALLY real life. None of my friends, some who are past huge Pokemon fans, liked the game, even after playing it. They beat it, but generally their responses were very underwhelming, with "I beat it..I guess. meh" or "I didn't like it, huge disappointment." I even know people who never played Pokemon tried it and their response were "what the hell. people actually like THIS?". Of course I could ask them what they don't like about it, but I let it go, since they don't really care enough anymore. I've seen some praises for the game online, but overall it was mostly negative criticism. (By the way, they're not Pokemon sites or forums.) What I've seen: -Horrible Pokemon (probably the nostalgic people) -Horrible region -Bad, niche story. -The worst evil team, and N is stupid. -Post-game is awful. -Doesn't feel like a Pokemon game when beating it. (You don't really fight the champion on -Easiest in the series* -Boring and just not memorable. -Bad design decision. Basically all the problems I've mentioned on my previous post and the tiring statements towards the newer Pokemon. *This is actually true. This is the only Pokemon game where I haven't used any items in battle except against Ghetsis, and it was also the fastest I beat. Generally, Pokemon games are hard towards kids. My younger cousins, who are big time Pokemon fans, generally have problems in these games and refer to me for help. This is the only game where they didn't need me at all and beat it in TWO DAYS. (usually takes them months) This game isn't exactly well liked by a lot of competitive players either. This generation is considered the worst by many. I bet if B/W had Looker though everyone would love B/W. It worked with Platinum! |
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Unless you mean his involvement in the maingame. I think he's fine where he is. Cyclone |
LOL Boring and not Memorable yet they complain that much about it? I can guarantee that they'll remember Unova if they hate it that much.
As for Post Game. Red/Blue had less Post game than B/W does. All you get is 1 extra cave and Mewtwo. G/S/C has the biggest Post game allowing you to go back and battle Kanto Gym Leaders and Red (which honestly doesn't have a story so its still fairly short) R/S No Post game at all except Battle Tower and Contests. D/P Battle Island place with three new Exploration areas and Battle Tower. B/W 3 new Cities, Battle subway, Giant Chasm, and Place where Landurus is..Oh and Abyssal Ruins. B/W has more after game stuff than the previous Main series titles before their Thirds came out. So compared to those B/W has the most After Game events. Team Plasma is like way better than Aqua/Magma. Not as grand as Galactic and not as mean as Rocket, but Plasma is far from the worse Evil Team. Now if you are like me and don't even Qualify Aqua/Magma as evil, then ya I can see it being true. You have to beat the story before you get to fight the Champion. That's how it has been in ALL Pokemon games. You beat the story AFTER the E4 is the only difference with B/W cause normally you beat the story before the 8th Badge. Story ends when you beat the Bad Guy Team. Not liked by Competitive players, and yet the competitive play was changed drastically by B/W. Its way harder to battle competitively than it was in the past and a good number of B/W Pokemon appear way more often. As for easiest, I disagree on a personal level cause this is the first Pokemon game that I did not beat within a 30 hour mark. I don't usually count Grinding which takes 2-3 hours on all the previous games, while B/W it takes me 1 to 2 hours of straight grinding to get to levels I like. I've never struggled as much against an entire region of Gyms as I did on this game and I've never lost to the E4 before B/W I had to change my team 4 times before I got the appropriate team balance for them. All in all this was the hardest Pokemon Game I've ever played. Honestly the ones complaining are prolly just butthurt that they had trouble with the game and don't want to admit it. Kinda like that friend that everyone has that says stories he wants others to hear about how he broke up with his girlfriend cause she was too clingly/needy/whiny. Always bragging about how many girls he beds and stuff like that. Someone that just plays it up for attention. Locally for me no one even touches the Gen 4 games anymore. We are all just focuses on Gen 5. Only complaint my friends have about Gen 5 was lack of Move tutor options. |
Someone else mentioned the fact that you do not become Champion until the Champion is actually beaten (i.e., Alder). Therefore, with this being the first game in the series where you do not actually battle the true Champion the first time through (N does, then you beat N, but you have yet to fight Alder), the events from Routes 11-15 cannot be considered "post-game" as you still have to prepare to fight the true Champion. Once you fight the Champion and defeat him, THEN starts the post-game...and sadly, there isn't really anything to do at that time.
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That's not true. Story ends with N and after that you get Credits so yes, refighting the E4 and Champion are the Post Game events. Once you get the Credit roll, anything you do after that is Post Game.
(Though technically you never become Champion even after beating the old Champion cause every time you fight him, Alder is still the Champion. Same with Lance, Blue, Wallace, Steven, and Cynthia.) |
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Speaking of final events...while games like Black/White - typical standard ones - have a Hall of Fame, are you able to view your previous stats or does it only appear the once, you save the game, and you never see it again? If not, it goes with having to treat the final stage as unbeaten even if you've already beaten it. Cyclone (NOTE: let's not delve into a discussion about XD here; I use it merely as a point of reference here.) |
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Wow, how so very thought out. You know, there was a time when Pokemon were creatures and plants (with the occasional robot or monster), not just random objects that had superpowers. A flying wooden Jack-O-Lantern? A lolita girl? Ice Cream? A snowflake? A trash bag? Those aren't things that make me think of Pokemon. Quote:
Voltorb, Magnemite, Koffing and Grimer were in the First Generation to emphasize the human presence in the world of Pokemon. Voltorb and Magnemite were built by humans, and Koffing and Grimer spawned from pollution. And about the Tao Dragons, let's take a walk through the history of Legendary Pokemon. 1st gen: We had a trio that included a Pokemon based off of the American-Indian Thunderbird, a Pokemon inspired by the legendary Phoenix, and one akin to the Roc. We also got 2 cats, with one being the creator of all Pokemon, and the other being an extremely badass, scientifically enhanced clone of the first. 2nd gen: We got a trio of beasts, which included a Sabretooth tiger, a lion, and a wolf. We were also treated to two immense flying creatures, which consisted of another, more powerful phoenix and a sea-dwelling dragon. We also got an elusive forest guardian that embodied all nature. 3rd gen: This is where Game Freak began to push the number of Legendaries. We got mineral-based golems, weather-based creatures (a dragon, a whale, and a tyrannosaur), a genetically-altered alien, a steel genie thing that is completely pointless, and two forgettable psychic dragons. 4th gen: This was probably the worst. We got a few overly detailed, Digimon-esque dragons embodying Time, Space, and... I guess whatever Giratina embodies. We also got 3 stupid-ass pixies, a pointless 4th Golem, a robotic volcano monster, a sea pixie, a flower hedgehog, these two nondescript ghost-monster-robots embodying dreams and nightmares, and let's not forget the all-powerful, almighty goat. 5th gen: We get 3 robot dragons that I guess were supposed to embody the Tao, 3 nondescript horse-dog-cat-monsters that represented the 3 musketeers (A great concept, but ruined by the fact that the Pokemon themselves were just monsters), 3 genie-kami things that serve no purpose, a pony thing that was probably designed by 12-year-old Bronies, a singer Pokemon, and a robotic-monster-gun-mantis thing. |
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When did Reshiram/Zekrom/Kyurem become Robots? This is news to me.
Also Sigilyph is based off the Nazca Hummingbird. Gothorita is akin to both Mr. Mime and Jynx. Trubbish and Garbador's existance is exactly the same as Grimer's. They were created through Human pollution. Vanillite, while its like has the looks of Ice Cream, they are solid chunks of living Ice. As for Food based Pokemon, Cherim is a living Cherry. You can't even call any of the Pokemon from the newer Generations Digimon. If you can, then there were Digimon in Generation 1 as well. Golem is very Digimon-Esque by the same deffinition. Gyarados looks like its covered in Plate Armor with the Segments it has. The designs of Pokemon have been controversial since Gen 1 when compared to Digimon. If you are a true fan you don't care cause if its made by GameFreak its a Pokemon. You can't even argue against that. Made by the company that made the game for the game, it belongs in the game. Digimon aren't just complex, but no one seems to care about that little bit of info cause the only thing they want to do is complain about the ones that do get complex and metallic. No, none of the new Pokemon look any more Digimon-esque than any Pokemon in any generation before. |
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And Voltorb, Magnemite, and Grimer had good reasons to look man-made. They were man-made. Plus, Voltorb's Pokeball-like appearance is similar to the appearance of a Mimic, a common RPG monster that looks like a treasure chest. Ditto transformed, and while Jynx was odd, it was in fact a novelty Pokemon even at the time. Quote:
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And why do you keep bringing up Seel? I know you Unova-obsessed newbies are all "HURR DURR KAYNTO AND JOTTO SUKS BEKAZ MANGMITE AND GRIMER AND YEAH!!!!1111", but Seel? What's wrong with Seel? It has a simple design, it's slightly cute, and it was an interesting Water-type option for a Gen. 1 team. Quote:
Umm, so this is a Pokemon? I mean, by your knowledge, Drill Dozer was made by Game Freak, so the main character must be a Pokemon, right? And plus, I'm sorry, but if Game Freak made a super-complicated, super-armored giant half tiger, half dragon demon, that looked nothing like a Pokemon, and called it a Pokemon, then it wouldn't look like a Pokemon. I'm sorry, but contrary to you Unova fans' beliefs, Pokemon does have a certain style to it. |
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Yes if GameFreak made a super-complicated, super-armored giant half tiger, half dragon demon, FOR THE POKEMON GAMES, it WOULD be a Pokemon. No, Pokemon doesn't have one specific design. It goes from Cute and cuddly to grotesque just as Digimon does, Digimon even goes further and into more detail. All 649 Pokemon would fit into the Digimon world because Digimon's art style is more broad than that of Pokemon's. So really, All Pokemon look like Digimon cause they all could fit in the Digimon world despite the fact that the two are completely separate entities, have stressed to fans that neither side is using concepts from the other, and are in no way are the two supposed to be related/compared because of core structural differences. as for this: Quote:
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And yes Blue and Lance, the E4 in general for Kanto was easy. I beat them without too much trouble, and my brother beat the game faster than I did. He was 6 when he started playing. He beat his game in about 20ish hours and was underleveled by about 5 levels when he beat Blue. I beat mine in about 23ish hours and was evenly leveled with Blue. Then and Now, there are Pokemon with horrible designs, don't fit with an expected Pokemon theme with "All" fans (cause yes I will acknowledge that not everyone views things the same way which is apparent in this thread). And just to make something clear, my Favorite Pokemon Game is Yellow and Kanto is my favorite region. I think highly of Unova because for me its a Second Kanto even down to the design of the Pokemon, especially the ones everyone seems to hate which was roughly the same generic reception that Magnemite/Grimer got when they were released. The argument sadly blew up with the introduction of Digimon and the fact that we DO have 4 other Generations to compare all the Pokemon with. Ironically two of my favorite Pokemon are from Kanto and Unova XD Pokemon's Art is evolving over time, they even add to the older Pokemon, what with Gender Differences and all that. Who is to say that in 1 or 2 Generations they may sneak in new designs to older Pokemon without us knowing simply to have the older ones match the change they made to the newer ones. |
Because people don't take off the nostalgia goggles. But that's all I'm going to say, as I don't want to be a part of this convoluted conversation.
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I have yet to hear a person who blatantly hates the games as a whole to give a valid reason for hating the games. Most of those people refuse to take off their nostalgia goggles. Thus, they see Pokemon like Vanillite and Trubbish and completely reject the games as a whole. So, nostalgia, plain and simple. Also, those people who refuse to take off the nostalgia glasses make me very angry.
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The whole idea of the Pokemon style is one that you Unova fans often overlook while bashing anyone who dares prefer the older games over the new ones. You hate the idea that most Pokemon have a certain artistic style. For a decent retrospective on the Pokemon style, just look at some beginner Fakemon. Many of them look nothing like actual Pokemon, and much of the time it's due to a style that is quite unlike that of Pokemon, whether it be because of a larger reliance on realism, a more cartoonish style, or a different factor. Quote:
As for what you actually said, what part of "I started out with Gen. III" do you not understand? Just because I started with Gen. III, that doesn't mean I think that that generation is the only good one. In fact, I prefer Johto over the other generations. I'll (hopefully) leave the conversation with this statement: I don't hate all Generation V Pokemon. Just look at my username: Elgyem Sure, I do think that many of the Generation V Pokemon were lacklustre, but a few were decent. I thought that Elgyem and Beheeyem were cool, and the concept of Reuniclus was certainly interesting. I liked some of the more animal-inspired Pokemon of the Generation (ex. Joltik/Galvantula, Deerling/Sawsbuck, Stoutland, etc.). It's not that I hate, or even dislike, the games. They were still alright, but personally I didn't enjoy them as much as I enjoyed HG/SS. Overall, I thought the games were good, but not great. I certainly liked the Unova Pokemon better than the Sinnoh Pokemon, that's one thing for sure. Overall, I'd give the games something like a 35/40. Not amazing, but still good. I just kind of wished the game was slightly harder and the postgame was better. |
There are only a few of the original designers still designing pokemon. The design style has really changed. There was nothing wrong with the games, but design wise I think they are going in the wrong direction. :(
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Reminder time - guys, this thread is about why you think others dislike the games, not for your own personal opinion on why they suck/why they were good, which is what Perfect Score/Compared to other generations and so on is for. We get the same discussions over and over, and if every new thread that remotely discusses opinions turns into this then I don't really think the section needs it. From now on guys, please, keep in mind you're not saying why YOU dislike them, or YOUR issues with them, and instead address other people's issues, which are the common complaints about the games. These include post game, too easy, only Unova Pokemon, Unova Pokemon are ugly, and so on. I'm sure you've seen enough about the common complaints to be able to discuss from those. :(
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Reasons why I think bad remarks are made:
1. Some of the Pokemon's designs step over a lot of people's subconscious limit i.e. they're of the opinion that things like garbage and ice cream shouldn't form the basis of a Pokemon design. I'm slightly in agreement with this. I think that garbage and ice cream Pokemon is stretching a bit too far, but hey. It appeals to some people and has proven to be somewhat successful, so I can't knock Game Freak for that. 2. Simply put, many of us have grown older, which means it is impossible to replicate the feeling of excitement we once knew as kid playing Pokemon RGBY/GSC/RSE. In other words, nostalgia goggles are worn by too many people. I've grown to accept that newer Pokemon games will likely never be as special to me as the first three series of games, so now I just enjoy the games for what they are. 3. Problems that have cropped up before appear again in BW. Lack of post game, Gym Leaders cannot be rematched, too many legendaries etc. To be honest, I preferred BW a whole lot more than I did DPPt. I could probably write pages of complaints about those games (or at least DP). |
I had the exact same amount of excitement playing old games as a kid and playing these newer ones. Goggles don't effect me. I know a good improvement to a series when I see one.
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Honestly, the only "bad" remarks I've seen are those of people that are too picky. "The Pokemon's designs suck because [X]." "There are like a million legendaries." "I don't like the shape of Unova." And the list goes on. Some of it is nostalgia talking, but a lot of it is just pickiness. Sure, the games weren't perfect, but they weren't terrible; however, if you expect everything in the games to be 100% how you want it, you're going to be disappointed, because Game Freak isn't going to come over to your house and make a game custom-tailored to your every whim. |
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Those are some good points guys, some of them i read, some i didn't. The reason why i didn't read some was because they were mostly just a great, big argument. Requility is right i just wanted your opinions :).
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Honestly, I wasn't expecting much from this game when I first was informed of it's release. Yes, I agree that the new Pokemon don't look like previous art. I gave it a chance and thought that the story was pretty good, nothing like previous games (again). But I think that you can't expect everything to be better than before (happens with everything, from games, to music, anything really), just expect something good out of it. :)
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At the end of the day, half of the posts on this forum include forms of opinions, which you may or may not agree with. There's no need for an unfriendly environment during these kinds of debate. |
1. Some people don't like any Nintendo DS pokemon games (or even any games outside of the 2nd generation)
2. The pokemon are ugly and unoriginal. (Trubish ugly) (Vanillish unoriginal) I don't mind ugly pokemon but the unoriginal names are killing me I love pokemon white and black i think it is one of the best duos and i think this game changed pokemon games forever. |
To ^ Get ready to have a stern talking to by one of these debaters.
NOW, I think Pokemon B&W has received bad remarks because of opinions on the character design. Other than that, I think B&W was a good game to add to the Pokemon series. |
Back from the grave to chime in on this topic.
To start off, I'm firmly in the "Gen 5 Haters" camp of Pokemon fans. I played through Black multiple times, trying harder each playthrough to like it and accept it as a legitimate continuation of the franchise, but I just couldn't. Much of it is because of the Pokemon's designs, and how utterly cut-off from the older, more familiar Pokemon you are. It's a matter of how the Pokemon just don't LOOK like anything we've come to expect, which is a huge disconnect. It's as if Game Freak just decided to go a completely different style with this one, in regards to the Pokemon's designs, and it shows as it alienates many of the players that stuck with them all these years. Part of me thinks it's to cater to the younger crowd. The spikes and the overly complicated "unPokemon-like" designs must make the kids squeal with how awesome and bada** they look. All in all, it makes the Pokemon this time around come off as hollow, wooden, and flat. That's not to say we didn't get good ones this time! But normally, the good ones make up a majority of the new additions. This time, it seems they are in the minority. Pokemon like Joltik and Galvantula were welcome additions. Larvesta and Meloetta were wonderful designs as well. Many of the others were not. It didn't help that many of them used the same poses and graphics as their counterparts/evolutions. It's obvious that the Kling line was built on one sprite, in one uninteresting pose. The Thundurus trio is the same Pokemon with different tails. I could go on and on. Gen 5 didn't really bring any new mechanics this time around either. Triple Battles and Rotation Battles got lukewarm reception, because they just weren't interesting. Double battles have been around since the second episode of the anime. They just fit when they were introduced in the Third Generation, and the new abilities played off them to make them feel incredibly natural and connected. In contrast, Triple Battles and Rotation Battles feel nothing like that. The system itself feels isolated and tacked onto the game as an afterthought. Another grab at "how awesome would this be?" without thinking it all the way through. Reducing the pinnacle of Pokemon Contests as it was when it was introduced in Gen 3, to the sad but playable state in Gen 4, to dress up in Gen 5 was terrible. Taking away features, especially when there is no endgame and how linear and restrictive the region and story felt was a regrettable decision. The removal of the Safari Zone was also a strike against this generation. The difference between Black and say... Ruby in keeping the player engaged, during and after the story, is huge. I felt like I was trapped on train tracks going through Unova. It was a frustratingly linear experience compared to where we were just a generation ago. I understand that roadblocks HAVE to be there occasionally. Snorlax kept you from being slaughtered in Gen 1 early on. Sudowoodo made sure that you couldn't head all the way to the Lake of Rage, catch powerful Pokemon, and come back to get your 3rd badge. Those Psyducks you need to pick up a SecretPotion to move were necessary as well. Unova, by comparison, felt like a game of "When will I be stopped next?". The answer to that question came up often. There are plenty of ways the story could've been written to allow for more player freedom, but they chose to constrict the player instead. Again, I believe that this may be another catering to the younger folks who may not get the story if it wasn't presented to them in pre-chewed little chunks at every stop. I felt that the evil team this time around had a really, really good motive. How it was handled, however, right up to when Ghetsis turned into a stereotypical mustache-twirling villain, contradicted what they were founded on. You're working to free Pokemon from oppression... by oppressing your own by battling those who disagree with you. My house is on fire, I think if I chuck more fireballs at it, it'll go out. Team Plasma would've made a fine team, probably the best in the series, if they could really, REALLY make people think about what you were doing to your Pokemon. What the world was doing to Pokemon. With the exception of N, the grunts were stereotypical, power hungry, Pokemon abusing, thugs. The exact thing they were fighting against. Team Plasma should've been filled to the brim with incredibly caring, well intentioned people. People who cared about Pokemon enough to fight for their rights. I suppose it was the attitude of basically every member of the team that caused that disconnect. And Ghetsis turning into the flat take-over-the-world thing at the end was just terrible. Also, Plasma? That's what they named their organization? Reallllllly? There was no endgame. You beat the evil team, and suddenly you find yourself 20 levels behind the wild Pokemon in the next area, with nothing to do. The online was full of hacks, hacks that Game Freak has already shown it has the technology to detect and weed out but didn't. Also, after the blissful convenience that was the HG/SS interface, it was jarring to be stuck with the mostly useless C-Gear. All-in-all, Gen 5 turned out to be an incredibly disappointing and hollow experience. Edited a bit for clarity and a few added points. |
My first game was Pokemon Black, but I did go back and play the older generation games and it made me realise something. A lot of people just look at the new pokemon seeing ones like vanilluxe and chandelure and say that they are stupid while remembering the good ones from earlier generations such as Charizard and Lapras, but in fact every generation has pokemon that are kind of lame with the design and naming (I never liked Farfetch'd because it's a duck holding a stick and what's with the name?). People say that every gen 5 pokemon is terrible, but I never got what was wrong with Zebstrika, Gigalith, Excadrill, Liepard, and Eelektross. My point is that every generation has it's up and downs and that a few bad designs that are put out there shouldn't mean that a generation is ruined.
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My thoughts on why Black and White got bad remarks:
Pokemon designs - This was one of the biggest backlashes relating to B/W, when people saw Pokemon like Klinklang, Vanilluxe, Garbodor and Chandelure they thought Nintendo were running out of ideas. However, I actually like the designs of most of the new Pokemon. Postgame - Now, this one was well complained about, the Trainers, although having Pokemon 10 levels higher than when you beat Ghetsis were still a challenge. Then you had to find 6 of the Seven Sages, and also rematches against Cheren, Bianca and the trainers in the Nimbasa Stadiums were there for extra training. However, once you find all the Sages, people thought there was nothing to do after that. Only Unova Pokemon in main story - The reason why only Unova Pokemon were seen before the National Pokedex was due to apparent fans of older games who relied on older gen Pokemon. This disappointed some players but not others, who knew it was the definition of a fresh start. Battle Subway - There was basically NOTHING to do here, that was my big disappointment with the game. And most people also knew how disappointed they were, cos on the Normal lines all the Trainers use only Unova Pokemon which again made some fans not like the games. Also, Anville Town is totally optional so don't even bother. Pokemon Musicals - Many people who loved the Contests in earlier games knew the Musical was an inferior Contest. It received a lot of distaste among players. The Unova Starters - As I've seen, most people claim Unova has the worst starters of any region. I disagree with that cos their designs look cool. The main point on why the starters got so much hate was due to their types. First, we have Snivy, which stays pure Grass throughout its evolution. Second, Tepig which sadly became the most hated starter due to being the third starter to get a Fire/Fighting type when it evolves. People also hated Emboar's design. And finally, Oshawott which, just like Snivy, stays purely typed throughout evolution, in this case Water. On the subject of Emboar, while Fire/Fighting is an awesome type combo, many people think Game Freak are hiding a tradition. |
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For someone who has been playing Pokemon since 1999 as an 8 year old, I still find myself quite excited about new pokemon games. Well sure, initially the pokemon would look really ugly (starting from div IV, I found that I disliked new pokemon designs until I start playing the games). Basically, after seeing the pokemon from BW for the first time, I kinda felt that they were quite messed up, like one of those fanboy creations of new pokemon. I mean, a starting pokemon that looks like a clown (Oshawott) and a Racoon that's infected by red eye and his evolution that looks like a ripoff from Lion King? Now, after playing for some time, I've sorta gotten used to the pokemon designs, and even love some of them.
Actually I don't see why so many people hate the game. I'm the only person with a DS in my class, and everyone would crowd around me watching me play the game and everyone was marveled by it (if you were wondering, all of us are aged 20 and above and have played every single game of the main series). Many of my friend loved the designs of the pokemon, especially Emboar. Emboar quickly became a favourite among them even though they were all Muslims (FYI due to religious reasons, pigs are quite a touchy issue for them to the extend that Tepig was the only starter excluded from McDonald's Happy Meal in Malaysia, but let's not discuss this please). So far the only pokemon which they found weird and funny was Patrat. So I kinda doubt that the design of Gen V pokemon are that bad since all the pokefans in my place love their designs (Well they didn't see all Gen V pokemon, but I have, and I don't think that they're exceptionally ugly or terribly designed). I think BW received so many bad remarks because of it succeeding HGSS. But hey, BW and HGSS are two totally different types of games. I believed that Game Freak were trying to explore new concepts in BW. HGSS on the other hand, is basically GSC with better graphics and extra features. Although we cannot deny they added in some new features, but other than the pokewalker and the auto run button (which I found meaningless, since years of RSE and FRLG gaming has developed me a habit of holding down the B button when walking, no matter which RPG game I play, so it wouldn't matter at all since I'll be pressing B anyway), there isn't much originality to it. BW on the other hand, tried to introduce some new untested features (triple battle, rotation battle, random matchup, DW, camera angles, musicals, gym and E4 animations etc). Well we cannot deny that some of them were lousy (I've never touched the musicals after trying for the first time because I don't really understand it), but it was something which could potentially set a new hallmark for pokemon games and breathe new life into them, instead of producing 1001 remakes of previous versions. |
The only things I disliked about Gen V are the Dream World and Entralink. It's nice being able to get a Pokemon that can't be found before E4, but the mini games are really boring. I know that it's made for kids, but it doesn't even look like it's made for the same age as the main games. It looks like it's made for 3 year olds. I don't really have a problem with Entralink, but I wish it was Wi-Fi based and not Wireless.
I had no other problems with the game. Only Unova Pokemon until Post Game was okay to me. It was kinda refreshing just being able to play with the new Pokemon. If I want to play with older Pokemon, I'll play an older game. It would be bad of course if they excluded them from the whole game. Being able to catch older Pokemon after E4 and via Dream World is fine with me. I can't see why people are complaining about the post game. There are new Routes to explore, new (old) Pokemon to see and catch, have rematches with Cheren and Bell, fight Cynthia and the sages etc. Gen III only had the Battle Frontier and Gen I didn't have anything at all. Just the Mewtwo challenge. |
My Reasons hmm.. the pokemon from the original pokemon are much more cooler then black and white and those that are in the game are more like fakemons.... and also Soulsilver and Heartgold are two great games . but i was disappointed when black and white was released i prefer heartgold or soulsilver then pokemon black or white
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Edited In: By the way, the mini games are definitely not made for 3 year olds. Sky race involves well developed hand eye coordination, try to get every single one (bet you've never achieved it. Neither have I though). Wailmer game also involves a lot of hand eye coordination, try getting a 30 ball streak. The Sableye gem game does not only require good reaction, but also precision. Blow out the candles game requires some decent analytic skills, try going on a long winning streak instead of spending a lot of time thinking. Scoop the ice cream game also requires analytic skills in planning which berry you should use, which ice cream you should put and where should you put them. The frozen treat sweep also involves a lot of analytic skills and hand eye coordination. I agree that the mini games may seem simple, but if you keep trying to beat your score, you'll find it quite challenging. But they're mini games after all. What kind of mini games do you expect TPC to give you? The only problem about DW is that they keep sending you to the same old stupid place again and again for several times in a row. I've finished catching all the pokemon I can get with less than 7000 dream points in the spooky manor, and some how TPC keeps trolling me by sending me there several times in a row until the 5 visit quota is up and then send me to somewhere like windswept sky and I don't get to meet any pokemon or get any items there. |
All this hartred against BW is obviously due to the new Pokémon. To my mind, they look pretty bad, and I know that a lot of people that like or not Pokémon think the same. Some 5G lovers will say that the problem come from the players' difficulty to appropriate new Pokémons, but the 4G Pokémon receive a way better welcome, so, the problem come from the 5G Pokémon themselves.
Except this point, these games are really good. Maybe some feature are useless (Dream World...), but that's not enough not to like these games I guess. The Pokémon's design is a reason though. But anyway, we have to face up to the facts that we won't have good Pokémon anymore, the new ones will never be able to be up to the former ones. |
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Yeah I kinda agree with the above. I don't hear anyone really screaming praises of joy towards gen 4 Pokemon, and they say "they don't look like Pokemon" according to the thread dedicated to that. So yeah, I don't think it's specifically gen 5 and rather people don't like the change in the designs compared to the originals, so it's all kinda nostalgia based rather than a complete dislike.
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@Spinosaurus, i LIKE B/W kyruem because they are creative, I brought B/W 2 for 60$ and only because of the FUN. it`s about the strategies, the new characters and anime.... it`s about the new movies!! Think about it.... Why fight when we can play so much more PKMN?
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It is not about creativity. I could also give a piece of bacon a laser and a ice cone on his head and call it creative. Would you like a bacon with a laser and an ice cone in pokemon? (I was hoping you will say no but I am actually starting to like the idea now. ;p) Creativity is no issue at all. Something doesn't have to be creative to be a succes. Charizard is just a red dragon, not very creative or something. But if you take a look at the strange fire pokemon you posted (emboar) or something, the only thing I can think of it looks like is a sad clown. I think it's design is horrible. It is childish, doesn't look like anything and is just too strange, even for a pokemon. It just doesn't look right for me. (and I quote FOR ME) (that means it is an opinion ;p) Those new pokemon may be so creative as hell, but they just don't look like anything at all. Compare the way pokemon developed with the anime. AT first, things looked normal (at least normal in the terms of pocket monsters which you could put in tiny little balls) . Charizard is not very creative, he's just a red dragon. Ash is not very creative, he's just a 10 year old boy. brock is not very creative, his outfit is fairly normal. misty is not very creative, pikachu is not very creative and so on and so on and so on. They were just normal people with normal pokemon which looked alot like their animal counterparts. Did we have a problem with it back then? NO. And now all of the sudde, with the new generations, everything has to be creative, weird looking and strange? Why's that? Are the pokemon you all loved since you were a child suddenly not good enough anymore because they put a heart shaped nose on a gentically modified zubat? Is a magneton suddenly not good enough because they set a clown on fire and called it an Emboar? Creativity might be good, to an extent. But if you make things too creative, nobody will be able to fell connected to it anymore. It is just like abstract art. It might be supercreative, but I don't feel connected with it. It feels hollow. It is just like the pokemon. The new pokemon just feel too distant for me. They don't feel like real pokemon anymore. Please don't get me wrong, but since this generation came out, you guys all start to talk about things which are wrong about the older generations while you guys all loved them in the past. Suddenly, if you still like the old generations, you are sad and way too nostalgic. That is utter nonsence. I liked the new things in B and W, but I just don't like the pokemon. That is my opinion. That doesn't mean I'm sad or nostalgic, that means I have my own preferences. The old pokemon are the 'real' pokemon for me. The new pokemon (with some exceptions) are just hollow shells in comparison to the older ones. Not every new pokemon, they still got it in them, (the legendaries as an example are very well made) but this generation just doesn't work for me. (maybe if B and W 2 come out, if I put more time in the game the acceptance might come.) I hope you guys realize this is just an opinion of mine. You don't have to agree (what you guys probably don't do anyway) but keep in mind that this is the way I think about it and that it is not 'fact based' |
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I do agree that creativity is not the issue though. Pokemon is a very creative concept to start with, and you cannot doubt that there are very creative creatures created from back in gen 1. Who would have imagined a living creature with a plant on top of it? Or a simple fish that can evolve into giant blue worm that lives in a water and has fins with a giant mouth? Or a blue snake with wings at both sides of it's head? Or a black faced opera singer with thick lips? These creatures are definitely not natural like you imagine gen 1 to be, but they are certainly creative. It's not much different from the newer generation pokemons. As for the human characters, I'd say I would prefer the older generation people as they look more normal, although Ash's hair is still one of the world's biggest mysteries (how did he make them stick out like that?). Liking the older generations do not make one nostalgic (I still worship Mew as the ultimate unchallenged best pokemon ever even though there are 649 pokemon now), but condemning the newer generations with points that can also be applied to older generations are what makes someone nostalgic. I don't understand though: Why do people keep comparing Woobat with Zubat? Why not the bulbasaur line with the oddish line? Bulbasaur and oddish are both living creatures with grass on top of them, and their last evolution, Venusaur and Vileplume, are living creatures with a rafflesia on them. They have the same type as well, and both learn a lot of same moves. Woobat and Zubat however, are not even of the same type to start with. Why not compare the Mankey line to Woobat? The both of them are fluffy animals with a pig snout. And stop criticizing the heart shaped nose, because for your information, there is a species of bats in real life that have heart shaped noses. It's actually based on an animal that actually exists. How unnatural is that compared to a bat without eyes. Have you ever seen a bat without eyes in real life? |
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And about bulbasaur and oddish, bulbasaur never was the low level grass pokemon which you could find in the forests in the beginning. Bulbasaur and oddish always had another role in a game. Bulbasaur was a starter, while oddish was the low level grass pokemon. With zubat and woobat, zubat was always the bat pokemon untill woobat came along, now the woobat is the bat pokemon. I know they are not the same type, and I also know there is a real bat with a heart shaped nose. (I might not be so stupid as you guys think I am ;p) but Woobat was the only pokemon I really knew the name and the appearance of, so that's the reason why I chose him for my posts. I will try to use other pokemons from now on if that makes you happier ^^ |
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No, I didn't think you were stupid, because if you didn't know that such bats existed and complained about his nose, it just means you were just not told of it's existence, therefore it's rational for you to think a heart shaped nose bat is stupid. But the fact that you knew that such bats exist and yet complain about the heart shaped nose, I really don't know what to say. Bulbasaur and oddish have a lot in common too. Straight from the character design concept to the type, attacks and all. The only difference is the role in the game. And that is only 1 difference. I'm not really that fond of the Woobat line actually. What irks me is not the Woobat line being criticized and compared to the Zubat line despite their differences. I'm more irked at the quality (or the lack of it) of negative views on the new generation. Most of them are baseless and lame excuses to why BW is terrible. So far, the only good one (and probably the best one ever) I've heard is about the character designs being more and more out of the norm. |
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I'd say that's pretty self-explanatory, but here goes: 1. Drilbur walks. Diglett burrows in the ground. 2. Drilbur has metal claws. Diglett doesn't. 3. Drilbur evolves into a partial Steel type. Diglett stays only Ground type. 4. Drilbur evolves twice. Diglett evolves once. In my eyes, Drilbur is the better Pokémon. Excadrill is badass. Cyclone |
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I personally never played Pokemon Black or White, although I heard complaints from people in Youtube such as: "I hate this." "The new Pokemon look like Digimon." "Who wants to play it?" "The old games are so much better." Of course, these aren't my views. The only people who seem to play it are (Very) young kids. I also saw comments like this: "Gameplay comes first, not graphics!" Well, people say Pokemon had lost it's popularity after time, but at least kids still play it. Hope this is helpful. |
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People say "Living gears? That's stupid!" yet they forget Magnemite and Magenton from Gen 1 being living magnets. Or "They didn't even try to be creative with Gen 5!" yet Gen 1 had the living Pokeball Voltorb. And as much as I like Charizard, it's just a fire breathing dragon at the end of the day. (Not saying it isn't creative, but compared to newer Pokemon like Haxorus, it just seems less creative. But Charizard is still one of my favorite Pokemon.) It is not about creativity. I could also give a piece of bacon a laser and a ice cone on his head and call it creative. Would you like a bacon with a laser and an ice cone in pokemon? (I was hoping you will say no but I am actually starting to like the idea now. ;p) Quote:
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Just because the ideas behind the Pokemon were creative, doesn't mean that those ideas translated well into a good looking Pokemon.
For example, Magnemite is not just magnets put together. They took the idea of a Pokemon with magnets, gave it a body and other details and then put the magnets on it. Kling is quite literally a gear... with a face. Surely anyone can see that the Magnemite and Kling lines had a similar concept, but the Magnemite line was more creative. Are Magnemite and Magneton simple? Yes. But they work. Their concept was translated well. Kling, and many of the other Gen 5 Pokemon were not so lucky. Pokemon like Ditto, Exeggcute, and Charizard LOOK right because their concepts translated well into Pokemon. Yes, voicerocker, many of the Gen 5 Pokemon were a product of copying the original 150 for the reboot. Were their concepts translated as well? Sawk and Throh are red and blue people with karate uniforms on. Could you say they are more creative or more original than Hitmonlee and Hitmonchan? Their concepts translated incredibly well. Sawk and Throh fell short (though, unlike most of their Gen 5 brethren, they have good names). Zubat and Golbat may be simple, but Woobat and Swoobat look much more like composites of wings, a puff ball, and a heart nose than anything you'd see flying around. Their Kanto cousins look much more natural. Again, another similar concept that fell short in Gen 5. Emboar looks very, shall we say, awkward and goofy if compared to the earlier fire starters. The fact that it was based off of a Chinese legend doesn't mean that that translated well into a Pokemon either, obviously. I'd say this generation was all about (mostly) okay concepts that fell flat. Nintendo thought that rebooting with new Pokemon with Kanto-ish concepts was a great idea, but they failed to take the care to translate those concepts into their Pokemon. |
I really hate having to do this but this thread ALSO is starting to be a full on discussion about the Pokemon designs in gen 5 versus previous ones. So if you guys could just let this one be a little less Pokemon orientated, and let the thread for that thrive (this thread right here) I will love you guys. While a few posts are okay it's getting a little further than that and it would be quite awesome if you all just quoted the posts and discussed in the thread for that since this is getting a little into personal opinions whereas this thread is for an overall "why others hate it".
Just please don't run away from B/W forever and just stay in that thread for the uncreative gen 5 Pokemon discussion. :3 However feel free to continue discussing why the games received bad remarks just... as an overall view. |
I think the main reason others dislike these games is that they're opposed to change. Having a pokemon game where the region is far away, the pokemon are all different, and the general feeling of the game is more plot oriented instead of adventure/explore everywhere you can oriented. While I like all of these (although, I grew to love them rather than enjoying it right away) many people cling to the past, hug their favorite pokemon tight to their chest and let nostalgia guide them. (not saying there weren't SOME flaws and that all people who make a bad remark about pokemon are nostalgia fueled genwunners or whatever, but I mean, come on now...) If these pokemon games had been the first, none of the major complaints would really exist, I think.
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Apart from nostalgia, It sounds like people just really like to hate. Reading this thread, I can tell people are looking for reasons to hate it. Some of the responces were obviosly pondered over for several minutes, and writen simply to continue the argument, whether the argument makes sence anymore or not. Many of the posters have came out posting things that directly contradict what they posted earlier.
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Why can't you guys just accept that I just don't like those pokemon and characters? I only posted my first post here so you guys could know why I didn't like this game, and suddenly I and all the other guys who just don't like this game are nostalgic losers who are opposed to change? Can't people just have their preferences? I like RTS and RPG games as an example, while my brother only likes FPS and TPS games. I don't go saying to him that he HAS to like this game, otherwise he is not open to change and he is just fooling himself because he certainly didn't give AoE a chance because he MUST find it awesome if he did. Again, you might say it has nothing to do with it, but actually it has. You are forcing people to like things, and if they don´t they fall of the boat. That´s pretty strange isn´t it? Just like I said in my example about democracy, change can come in good ways, or in bad ways. I think the new pokemon designs are a bad change, they try to look like something, or show they have a background and a interesting story (like emboar) but they just fail to resemble it for me. That is just my reason why I don't like these pokemon. I am not showing this as a fact, but as an opinion. You guys wanted to know why I think B and W might receive bad remarks? Here's my answer. I also think the characters are a bad change. Just take a look at the characters you can choose from. I always play as a boy in a pokemon game, but this time I didn't even want to because they boy looked like he got hair growing out of his golf cap... :P Team plasma had some cool motives, but looked really, really rubbish. The white uniform of their grunts somewhat reminds me of nuns in the catholic church :P Why can't we just have a bada** guy at the top of a team like Giovanni or Archie, they at least looked like bad people. I also really prefer the normal cap guy from soul silver over the hair out of the cap guy. Those goofy people really destroy the immersion for me. Which is also a pretty big letdown for me. Immersion is very important, and if that fails you just can't really connect with your game and enjoy playing it. Atleast I can't. If I don't feel connected with the characters and animals (pokemon) in a game, I don't like it. Furthermore, I DO like the changes of the unova region. I like the seasons, I can't say very much about the story because I have not finished it yet, but there are also good things about black and white. But the main point of any pokemon game are the pokemon of course, and quite frankly I do not like them, so that is just my biggest issue with the game. But the main point is that I DO like things about the game. It is not all about ranting and raving. They did a pretty good job making this game, and I still think pokemon has a bright future. Just because B and W are the first pokemon games ever that I don't like, doesn't make me a Gen V hater and a guy who is opposed to change. I am just putting up a list here of things I didn't really like about the game, just like the original poster asked. I am not wanting to wage an all out war between the defenders of the game and the 'attackers', but seriously guys, you should stop labelling everyone who doesn't like this game as someone who is too nostalgic to like changes and is therefore a sad person. I liked alot of the changes, but I just don't like the pokemon and the characters, and that alone is gamebreaking for me. There is nothing more to it. I am looking forward to B and W 2, and maybe I will finish that game completely, but we will see about that when they come out. |
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1. Gen 5 pokemon don't look like natural animals. Klink and Vanillish aren't natural animals. Jynx, Magnemite and Ditto are all natural animals I guess. And we have bats without eyes in real life eh? 2. Gen 5 pokemon designs are lacklustre, too simple and are not creative enough. Klinks is just a gear with eyes. Diglett, Ditto, Voltorb. Nuff said. 3. (Since they can't say Gen 5 pokemon are lacklustre in design) Gen 5 pokemon are overly creative and spoils the simplicity of pokemon. Please make up your mind guys. But still, Gyarados, Kangaskhan, even Feraligatr and the 3 dogs from gen 2 (whom are still considered original pokemon) are quite complex and creative designs. 4. Gen 5 pokemon are fake copies of their predecessors, their design is copied from the older generations, like Woobat is a fake Zubat. So a Kabutops is a fake Scyther eh? An Oddish is a fake Bulbasaur? A Clefairy is a fake Jigglypuff (I seriously though both of them were related when I started playing pokemon)? 5. Gen 5 pokemon don't look like pokemon. Contradiction from the top. Again, please make up your minds. 6. I mean they look like digimon more than they look like pokemon! Blastoise doesn't look like a digimon I guess? Golem? And why does Agumon remind me of a Charmander without flames. 7. Gen 5 pokemon should not be food. Vanillish is an ice cream, not a pokemon. Eggs are also food. Plus people like eating Farfetch'ds as well, therefore indirectly turning it into food. 8. Gen 5 pokemon are too girlish compared to previous generations. I think we've already solved this lol. 9. Woobat is a lousy pokemon compared to Zubat. Why compare 2 different things to each other? They were not meant to be the same. If we had a star pokemon which has the psychic ground type like Lunatone and Solrock, I bet you people will go: This is a fake staryu! 10. No pokemon out of the original 151 are real pokemon! This is obviously a nostalgic statement. It's like saying you will never have another girlfriend after your girl ditches you. It's called not moving on. Then after all the above were proven wrong, comes the ultimate superpower excuse: Pokemon is very subjective. We like the older generation for no reason at all. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. O_o Basically, with pokemon being the main reason why people dislike gen 5, it's very obvious that they can't accept new pokemon. They might accept change in other parts of the game, but not the pokemon because they can see these pokemon and actually nurture them and have grown attached to them over the years. So now for the non-pokemon design related reasons (note that this is not a reply to the person I quoted above because he/she only talked about pokemon designs): 1. Metagame is the same. Well what other metagame changes do you want? The basic rule is do not fix anything that is not broken. If they did a change in the already great metagame and it ended up being lousy, you'll be here criticizing their metagame change and saying they should have stuck to the old metagame. 2. Auto run is disabled. How hard is pressing a B button? Haven't the previous generations trained you all enough to hold down the B button automatically? It's understandable if you all started from HGSS though. 3. Lack of postgame. GSC and HGSS are the only game with an actual post game that is long enough to be the game itself. Since game freak has only made other regions available only for Johto, then you all should understand it's kind of a Johto exclusive feature, and taking it away and putting it into other games would make every pokemon game seem the same. Plus BW (as I pointed out many times) actually has a bigger post game than RSE and RBGY. 4. There are no pokemon following you! I didn't see everyone complain about every game after Pokemon Yellow because there was no Pikachu following you. 5. The people don't look like people! They look like weird cosplayers! Okay, point taken. There is nothing left to rebut as I totally agree. Maybe the Japanese might be able to relate to this one since they have professors with shocking orange hair and maid cafes. By the way, speaking about the boy character in BW and HGSS, in reply to HenkieDePost, Do you notice that the boy character in BW is closer to Ash, while the boy in HGSS has a hairstyle that is totally impossible to style in real life? Try wearing a cap and have a fringe that sticks out so well. You'll just get a tuff of hair stuck flat on your forehead. Sometimes I just feel that you're unlucky in picking examples, because you always pick the wrong ones where there are other more solid examples to give. Nevermind, can't blame you because you just played a small part of the game. Glad that you are giving BW2 a chance. |
Hm, I think it has to do with the Pokemon and gameplay. Why BW didn't get received as well and having all these remarks about them is the replayability and post-game. I believe that's why. After Cynthia, Morimoto, the level-boosted trainers in the domes in Nimbasa City as well as having two rivals rebattle-able, yeah. Also, the Pokemon, even though they were detailed and creative, weren't pleasing to some people.
At first, I thought they looked stupid. The Pokemon, I mean. I saw Tepig and instantly fell in love with that thing. Who wouldn't want a bacon? But, when it evolves, it becomes Fire-Fight. This would be the third time the fire starters did this. Blaziken and Infernape are already those. I thought "shouldn't it be Fire/Ground instead? Pigs like to roll in mud, and the mud equivalent in Pokemon is Ground." Not only this, Emboar is the only dual type starter of the region. I also thought the region design was dumb, too at first. Castelia City's port looked like a right hand, and it was just weird. I did my research and found out Unova was based off New York City, the US basically. This is the first time they based a region outside Japan. I think that's another reason why it was hated; it wasn't Japan-based. All the others were from actual Japan places, just either flipped, rotated or not. Seeing Haxorus, I immediately remembered "Dragonite" because Dragonite was a dragon-type in Gen I that evolved so late. But, Hydreigon made me think about the game. A triple headed dragon? Who wouldn't like that? Another thing, there's no Vs. Seeker. That item only made appearance in FRLG and DPPt; they should have brought it back because it would have been awesome to rebattle trainers you've already fought. I understand the game was like nostalgia, though they could have added at least that if they had the Vs. Recorder. I personally like Black and White. I'm not saying it's the best because it lacked many things, but you can't please everyone. I also thought BW2 would finally have a Vs. Seeker--and I was wrong. I liked the animated sprites of the Pokemon, but after awhile, they were getting annoying. Too bad an option to turn them off wasn't made. The Battle Subway felt like a reminiscent of DP's Battle Tower. The Diving parts of the game weren't very exciting at all, it made me miss Hoenn. They also reused the 2D sprites ina 3D world. That's pretty boring, but if it worked, it worked. I also thought they would return the Pokemon-tag-along like HGSS, but it didn't either. So, it has many flaws we can all point out and rant about until the day is done, but in the end, it won't change what BW is: a new approach. Perhaps in the future, they'll put in the Vs Seeker and everything else a Pokemon game should have. We just have to be patient. So again, to reiterate, I like Black and White personally. I thought the designs were all right. I'm an old-time gamer and was one of those people who didn't accept BW when it was first coming out. However, I gave it a chance because I am a Pokemon fan. It turned out that I did like it, albeit there were some things I didn't like. It didn't stop me from fully enjoying the game, though. I even did this with Hoenn once, but once I got Sapphire, I immediately fell in love with it. So, I say the game should be given a chance before bashing it for what it doesn't have and praise it for what it is: a Pokemon game. There's my two cents of this. |
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In regard of the question, I think it's because of lack of post-game training. Not many non-Unova pokemon were available aside from the Dream World and, I might be wrong, but also lack of good movesets for the Unova Pokemon for competitive battling (which i still don't get the purpose). When I played it the first time, it was alright and I had a good team set-up too. The things I hate about B/W is that there are no non-Unova Pokemon in the normal Subway lines, and the Super line Subway Pokemon lacked good movesets and contained too many status-changing moves, which renders the Super Subway lines annoying and difficult to enjoy. B2/W2 will definitely change my views and ways of battling when the US version is released in October.
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Sorry man, but you don't convince me at all. At first your post might look like solid and strong, but I urge you to take a look at it. Some things you said have never been said, you take two completely different post and merge them together, you think you can disprove opinions which have nothing to do with facts, but with personal preferences, and so on. I am going to try to tell you where you are right and where you are wrong. Let's see your first point. You tell us that we said that Gen V pokemon do not look like animals, and then you give us some pokemon which indeed don't look like animals. I agree with this part. Pokemon doesn't have to look like animals, but your examples are not good comparisons to the examples given by the anti B and W community. Klink and Vanillish are pokemon which are almost entirely the objects they try to resemble. That's right, they resemble real life objects. Vanillish is almost truely an icecone, only with a face and Klink is a gear with a face. Magnemite and magneton might be of the similar concept, so in that way you are right, but with jynx and ditto you really are missing the point. Jynx and Ditto might not be based on animals, but they are not based on objects either, while Vanillish and Klink are truely just objects with a moveset. I understand your point, but the examples are just not very good chosen. The problem people have with these two, is that they are just objects with a face, not that they are not animal based. Then about point 2 and 3, which I am going to review together. These two points are very weak, Why? You mix the posts of 2 users together and then act as if they have been written by the same person. You first point out that 'we' while only one poster has ever written this, think that the new pokemon are lacluster in design. Then you give examples of pokemon which are not very creative as well. That was a good thing, because they are indeed not creative. But then you suddenly say: since they can't say gen 5 pokemon are lacluster in design, they suddenly are overcreative. What are you talking about man? I never said B and W pokemon are lacluster in design, but you suddenly use someone else's argument and make it seem that everyone who thinks B and W pokemon are not good first thought they were lacluster, and when they found it it didin't work they suddenly say they are overcreative. I am the only one who said anything about overcreative, while the other poster is the only one who said they were lacluster. And then suddenly you act like these two posts are written by the same person, and by everyone who dislikes B and W?. This renders your response on point 2 and 3 unreliable and irrelevant. Don't think that everyone who dislikes B and W went through this thinkingpattern and don't that the whole anti B and W community thinks the same. This is called overgeneralisation. Then the part about their predecessors. I never said that the pokemon from B and W are "fake" copies of the pokemon from the generations before that. I never said they are fake, and I never said they are exact copies. Woobat has the same role of Zubat in the older generations. And that is a flying cave bat which you can only find in dark areas. It never had anything to do with types (although you keep saying that) and never had anything to do with names. It has to do with the role in the game. If you just think clear for a second, you can easily understand that the role of Woobat is almost exactly the same of Zubat. And if it comes down to the role in the game, I think zubat did a way better role than Woobat. Woobat does come of from a real life bat, but that doesn't mean that because it comes from a real animal it MUST be perfect for a pokemon game. I still stay with my point that Woobat just isn't a good design for a pokemon. I see this argument from the defenders alot. Emboar is based on a chinese sage, so you can't say that his design is bad. Otherwise you have no respect for his background. Woobat is based on a reallife bat, so you can't say that Woobat just doesn't fit in, because then you are practically denying that there is a real life bat which has a heart shaped nose. The background of these pokemon might be good, but that doesn't mean they look good in a pokemon game. Furthermore, oddish and bulbasaur? Why do you keep saying that? I have said around 100 times now that the most important factor of comparing a pokemon to another one is the role in the game. Bulbasaur is a very rare starter, while oddish is just a weak grass pokemon. The role in the game is different, while the role of Woobat and Zubat is identical. They might look like each other, but that doesn't mean that we could also have had oddish as an starter while bulbasaur is terrorizing Ilex forest. Kabutops and Scyther might even be a worse example. Kabutops and Scyther are not only completely different in design, kabutops is also a thought to be extinct pokemon, while Scyther is just a ordinary bug pokemon. You wont even find them close to each other if Kabutops was a normal pokemon. The area would be extremely different, the role is extremely different and so on. As for point 5, I never said they don't look like pokemon. Again, please don't use the words one poster might have used and put them here as: everyone who doesn't like B and W thinks this? I only used this argument as, they don't feel like pokemon to me in the end of my post, because I just can't 'connect' with them like I did with even the Gen IV pokemon. I think immersion is important in this game, but that is getting really hard if every five seconds you have to think: WTH IS THIS CREATURE?! That is by the way only my opinion, so please don't use it in your response as 'everyone who dislikes B and W thinks that the gen V pokemon are not feeling good.:' I can't say much about point 6. I haver never heard someone saying this, and I think this is a quite silly argument. They still don't look like digimons ^^ I also never said anything about point 7, so I am not going to say anything about this one either. About point 8, no, we have never solved this point, and that is the funny thing. First, how can you solve an opinion? Secondly, you were having trouble making a list of about 15 pokemon, while I could easily say alot of pokemon which looked extremely strange and fluffy. You also make it seem that we said ALL pokemon are fluffly. No, they are not. I have said numerous times that there are some cool pokemon, but it takes way to long to get them: Evolutions, Legendary or dragon. Your entire list was made with only these three kinds of pokemon. Please, name some pokemon then which are easy to get and look 'cool' ;p.(Except for RoggenRola and Sandile). I think I have adressed this point already in my post, but I will say it again for you: Yes, their intention was for Woobat to replace Zubat. They HAVE THE SAME ROLE. It doesn't matter they don't have the same types, that argument has nothing to do with it. They are both designed to be the cave dwelling bat pokemon. And when it comes to that, I like zubat better. This argument of your's about Woobat is getting old, could you please stop using this in your rant? This could have easily fitted in with the fluffly pokemon argument. I also never said anything about no pokemon following you, so I am going to leave this open. The same about 10. I liked every generation except this one, so this point doesn't involve me. Then your conclusion. In the end, alot of points were proven incorrect. And that is the funny thing. First of all, you think you can prove opinions incorrect. If I say emboar looks bad, and you say emboar looks good, how can you PROVE that my opinion is incorrect? Half of your arguments don't even make sense, or are based on words people have never said, or combined sentences. Also, the ultimate conclusion about subjective pokemon is also a tad strange. This all comes back to the opinion part again. It is my opinion that I don't like the Gen V pokemon. We also give you argument after argument that we don't like the Gen V pokemon. You can't life with that and are defending yourself till the very end it seems, but the fact that our arguments don't even reach you because you put a steel shield around yourself does not mean that we suddenly only like the only generations for no reason at all. You just don't even care to take a look at our arguments it seems. That means that your conclusion is also incorrect. You got your comclusion to begin with only from my post. But I did not say we suddenly only like the older generation with no reason at all. I just said that we are entitled to our opinions, and the fact that I say in that post that I just like the older generation better doesn't mean I have no arguments. They have been said alot of times now, but whats the point of saying them over and over and over again while you don't listen? About the non pokemon-design things, I have not much to say. I find most of those arguments silly as well. When it comes to the non pokemon side, this game is a fast improvement over the older ones. I really, really like the new battle system as an example. But about picking the wrong examples, I have one thing to say. My example wasn't even so bad. The guy from silver indeed did not have that 'strange' hair, but it would have been pretty hard for them to even give him strange hair. How is this going to look like on the map? Then about the guys from black and soulsilver. Although the guy from HGSS has somewhat impossible hair, it didn't look idiotic or extremely strange. If you see the guy from black you think: Dont they have a haircutter in the pokemon world, seriously? When I see him I really can't stop thinking about how hard he would have been pushed around if he was on my school. The guy from HGSS would probably not be the most popular kid, but atleast he didn't look so strange in comparison to the guy in black. It isn't only about the hair, it is about the general impression. The guy from HGSS did had fairly normal clothes to begin with. :P His hair isn't super strange either although it might be impossible. They guy from black has strange clothes, and even stranger hair, it looks really, really strange. That is my point. I hope this is the conclusion to this debate. You might have had some good points, but there are also alot of arguments where you flat-out lose, mainly because of combining to posts together, or making false statements. Also overgeneralisation is a problem in your post. I also hope the mods will not delete this post. I try to stay as much on topic as possible, but I just have to respond to this post, although most of my post is about pokemon designs, again. I really try to let this be the last one mainly about pokemon designs, but I really feel I had to make this final post. |
So I think what we've got here is a bunch of nostalgia lovers, and a bunch of Unova lovers (both are fine, not saying anything bad) and both sides are trying to convince the others that they're right, that these Pokemon suck/are the same as the originals/etc etc. I used to dislike the designs, I admit, and tbh I still hate some of them, but something to think about is stop thinking of the entire thing like a group of Pokemon, so if you dislike a bunch you won't start hating on the entire group (gen 5), if that makes sense. (I'm more leaning towards the Unova lovers's side, but I can be persuaded either)
Like, I personally dislike Gothitelle's line, Stunfisk, the monkey evolutions, Throh, Sawk, Maractus, Mandibuzz/Vullaby, Heatmor, Durant, and Meloetta. I dislike the graphics, various parts of the region, among other things. That's a lot of things to dislike, but just because I dislike factors of a generation doesn't mean the entire thing sucks. You get what I'm saying? Gen 5 brought a lot of new things to the table that contributed to Pokemon as a whole. That's kinda the vibe I'm getting from the few posts I've read (most of these are text walls, can't read them all) Besides guys! This might just be me thinking but if there's this much of a disagreement, maybe just accept each other's opinions and stop trying to convince others you're right, idk, it just seems like it's turning into a hissy fit (from my viewpoint, that of an outsider to this convo), but I could be wrong. Alright, my 2 cents! Probably a longer post than I intended. |
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Well let me scope into 2 points which you discussed without going offtopic: Since you said that Klink and Vanillish are pokemon which are almost entirely the objects they try to resemble and Vanillish is almost truely an icecone, only with a face and Klink is a gear with a face, then let me ask you what about the ball with a face, and a pile of eggs with faces, and a pinecone with a face and alphabets with an eye? All 5 of them are no different from a shampoo bottle with eyes, yet you can accept the other 3 while Vanillish and Klink are a no no for you. As for your definition of strange clothes, and even stranger hair, it looks really, really strange is this: http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/boy.png Then if we compare it to these normal people: http://www.cosplayisland.co.uk/files/costumes/6135/59560/CI_59560_1331925382.png http://download.minitokyo.net/Pokemon.466980.jpg Mind telling me the difference between Hilbert, Ash and Ethan? Quote:
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First off, a democracy to a dictatorship? You say change can be good or bad so.... what about the good? (Plus that' a really harsh metaphor!) I never said you HAD to like the games, go ahead. Dislike them. Really, where I live it's a free country so... And about the nostalgia, I mean the OP is about why I think the games got such bad remarks and I definitely think that comes into play Basically, I just wanted to say I accept you don't like aspects of the game and that's fine. I disagree, but it's your opinion, no one can tell you different and that isn't what I was trying to do. Also, this is really off topic, and I apologize for that. I also wanted to add that I think people dislike the games because the art style has changed. I guess I kinda understand why one would dislike them more because the designs are wackier and a little more...interesting, but I like them. I think it really hinges on giving the games a chance, which a lot of people probably took one look and left, which cemented their opinion, which is kinda unfair. That's all. :D |
I think Game Freak was kinda forced to put only new Pokémon in the games. What's the point of having new Pokémon if people want to use the old ones, just because they're tried and true? They want to make you use the new ones, and they're right. I was playing through Blaze Black (hack of BW) the other day using a Feraligatr and a Murkrow, and despite the fact these are some of my favourite Pokémon, it just felt wrong to me.
156 new Pokémon is more than enough for a game. RBY had less and stood on its own feet rather well. Also, some of the new designs, although overdetailed, are much more inspired than the old ones. Up until GSC (maybe RSE), the Pokémon designs were too simplistic. Pidgey was a basic bird, Rattata a basic rat, Growlithe a basic dog, and so on. Even Charizard and Dragonite were basic dragons. I like it that they're adding details and making Pokémon look more like monsters instead of toonified animals. BTW the Gen V hero/heroine character designs are by far the best-designed in the history of the series. And Emboar kicks ass. I wasn't too fond of it at the beginning, until I started to use it. I developed a thing for the fat boar. It even shakes the ground when it gets out of the Poké Ball! How cool is that? It seems to me that too many people liked HGSS for the wrong reasons and are now nitpicking. Sure, HGSS were fantastic games, but they came with their fair share of annoyances too. The level curve in Johto is horrid, Team Rocket are pushovers (really, they're a joke), the availability of Pokémon based on time of day really sucks, the Safari Zone is a complete joke (need to wait 120 days to catch Bagon or Gible, WTF?), rematching trainers without the Vs. Seeker is a pain in the ass, and so on. Also, the Pokéthlon, a gimmicky way to sell evolutionary stones. For all the hits HGSS had, there were many misses, too, but people conveniently forget those because they're the remakes of the best games in the series (the original GSC). Also, Archie as a kickass villain? Team Aqua and Magma were the most retarded villains in the Pokémon series. Their plans didn't make sense at all, and they made the game boring with all those Poochyenas/Mightyenas they had. Cyrus and Ghetsis are far better villains, even if Ghetsis' role in the story is predictable. |
opinion: B/W is an okay series, and we still might get another re-make.. if you think about it, garbordor and shrubish were gross, and genesect, but that`s the only three i see disgusting.... but then there`s Zekrom`s bra and Reshiram`s trousers and boobs.. Yeah, the plot was structured, but i think people hate 1st, 2d, 3d and 4th generation pokemon being un-avalible.. i could understand this... BUT! B/W 2 has the previous gens.. all of them... i`ve played the Black 2 rom so i know this is valid
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B/W wasn't that bad. It took me a while, but I enjoyed it in the end. I loved the fact it was sort of a "fresh start", plus you didn't run into Zubats and Tentacools every five steps.
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Different people want different things and GameFreak cannot possibly give us everything all at once. That would put them out of business after all.
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it is because black and white only allows 5th gen pokemon before post game, and then when you can finally get your favourites, there is nothing to do with them.
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Well I think it is the fact that the Pokemon look at lost worst then ever before.
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Well, i guess it's because Nintendo are trying so hard to make people forget about the old games and buy the new ones, but it seems that people got so attached to those games, they won't just let go. And, Some of the Pokemon are really, how to put this, Fake.
They're over-doing it, i think they should make a re-make of Pokemon fire-red/ leaf-green, where the Pokemon move in battle, and follow you around! |
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