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I bought Black and White when they came out, and I will admit, at first I didn't like majority of the designs. I think at they just looked 'strange' to me because I wasn't used to seeing them pop up in the wild. XD
But they have grown on me and I can't wait to play Black and White 2. :D Though I've seen hate from people who haven't actually even played BW. Like, they have already decided they don't like it when they haven't gave it a chance. That annoys me, lol. :) Black and White 2 = <3 :P |
Honestly other that here in general I have not seen any real "Bad" reviews of the games. Majority of the complaints I've ever found were here, and maybe 1 or two elsewhere but other than that, its been nothing but praise or indifference.
For me there is nothing wrong with the games. I don't get why so many gripe about them. I've been with the series since the US got them, so I've been with it almost since its birth. I love the route that things are going with the games. |
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ESPECIALLY real life. None of my friends, some who are past huge Pokemon fans, liked the game, even after playing it. They beat it, but generally their responses were very underwhelming, with "I beat it..I guess. meh" or "I didn't like it, huge disappointment." I even know people who never played Pokemon tried it and their response were "what the hell. people actually like THIS?". Of course I could ask them what they don't like about it, but I let it go, since they don't really care enough anymore. I've seen some praises for the game online, but overall it was mostly negative criticism. (By the way, they're not Pokemon sites or forums.) What I've seen: -Horrible Pokemon (probably the nostalgic people) -Horrible region -Bad, niche story. -The worst evil team, and N is stupid. -Post-game is awful. -Doesn't feel like a Pokemon game when beating it. (You don't really fight the champion on -Easiest in the series* -Boring and just not memorable. -Bad design decision. Basically all the problems I've mentioned on my previous post and the tiring statements towards the newer Pokemon. *This is actually true. This is the only Pokemon game where I haven't used any items in battle except against Ghetsis, and it was also the fastest I beat. Generally, Pokemon games are hard towards kids. My younger cousins, who are big time Pokemon fans, generally have problems in these games and refer to me for help. This is the only game where they didn't need me at all and beat it in TWO DAYS. (usually takes them months) This game isn't exactly well liked by a lot of competitive players either. This generation is considered the worst by many. I bet if B/W had Looker though everyone would love B/W. It worked with Platinum! |
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Unless you mean his involvement in the maingame. I think he's fine where he is. Cyclone |
LOL Boring and not Memorable yet they complain that much about it? I can guarantee that they'll remember Unova if they hate it that much.
As for Post Game. Red/Blue had less Post game than B/W does. All you get is 1 extra cave and Mewtwo. G/S/C has the biggest Post game allowing you to go back and battle Kanto Gym Leaders and Red (which honestly doesn't have a story so its still fairly short) R/S No Post game at all except Battle Tower and Contests. D/P Battle Island place with three new Exploration areas and Battle Tower. B/W 3 new Cities, Battle subway, Giant Chasm, and Place where Landurus is..Oh and Abyssal Ruins. B/W has more after game stuff than the previous Main series titles before their Thirds came out. So compared to those B/W has the most After Game events. Team Plasma is like way better than Aqua/Magma. Not as grand as Galactic and not as mean as Rocket, but Plasma is far from the worse Evil Team. Now if you are like me and don't even Qualify Aqua/Magma as evil, then ya I can see it being true. You have to beat the story before you get to fight the Champion. That's how it has been in ALL Pokemon games. You beat the story AFTER the E4 is the only difference with B/W cause normally you beat the story before the 8th Badge. Story ends when you beat the Bad Guy Team. Not liked by Competitive players, and yet the competitive play was changed drastically by B/W. Its way harder to battle competitively than it was in the past and a good number of B/W Pokemon appear way more often. As for easiest, I disagree on a personal level cause this is the first Pokemon game that I did not beat within a 30 hour mark. I don't usually count Grinding which takes 2-3 hours on all the previous games, while B/W it takes me 1 to 2 hours of straight grinding to get to levels I like. I've never struggled as much against an entire region of Gyms as I did on this game and I've never lost to the E4 before B/W I had to change my team 4 times before I got the appropriate team balance for them. All in all this was the hardest Pokemon Game I've ever played. Honestly the ones complaining are prolly just butthurt that they had trouble with the game and don't want to admit it. Kinda like that friend that everyone has that says stories he wants others to hear about how he broke up with his girlfriend cause she was too clingly/needy/whiny. Always bragging about how many girls he beds and stuff like that. Someone that just plays it up for attention. Locally for me no one even touches the Gen 4 games anymore. We are all just focuses on Gen 5. Only complaint my friends have about Gen 5 was lack of Move tutor options. |
Someone else mentioned the fact that you do not become Champion until the Champion is actually beaten (i.e., Alder). Therefore, with this being the first game in the series where you do not actually battle the true Champion the first time through (N does, then you beat N, but you have yet to fight Alder), the events from Routes 11-15 cannot be considered "post-game" as you still have to prepare to fight the true Champion. Once you fight the Champion and defeat him, THEN starts the post-game...and sadly, there isn't really anything to do at that time.
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That's not true. Story ends with N and after that you get Credits so yes, refighting the E4 and Champion are the Post Game events. Once you get the Credit roll, anything you do after that is Post Game.
(Though technically you never become Champion even after beating the old Champion cause every time you fight him, Alder is still the Champion. Same with Lance, Blue, Wallace, Steven, and Cynthia.) |
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Speaking of final events...while games like Black/White - typical standard ones - have a Hall of Fame, are you able to view your previous stats or does it only appear the once, you save the game, and you never see it again? If not, it goes with having to treat the final stage as unbeaten even if you've already beaten it. Cyclone (NOTE: let's not delve into a discussion about XD here; I use it merely as a point of reference here.) |
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Wow, how so very thought out. You know, there was a time when Pokemon were creatures and plants (with the occasional robot or monster), not just random objects that had superpowers. A flying wooden Jack-O-Lantern? A lolita girl? Ice Cream? A snowflake? A trash bag? Those aren't things that make me think of Pokemon. Quote:
Voltorb, Magnemite, Koffing and Grimer were in the First Generation to emphasize the human presence in the world of Pokemon. Voltorb and Magnemite were built by humans, and Koffing and Grimer spawned from pollution. And about the Tao Dragons, let's take a walk through the history of Legendary Pokemon. 1st gen: We had a trio that included a Pokemon based off of the American-Indian Thunderbird, a Pokemon inspired by the legendary Phoenix, and one akin to the Roc. We also got 2 cats, with one being the creator of all Pokemon, and the other being an extremely badass, scientifically enhanced clone of the first. 2nd gen: We got a trio of beasts, which included a Sabretooth tiger, a lion, and a wolf. We were also treated to two immense flying creatures, which consisted of another, more powerful phoenix and a sea-dwelling dragon. We also got an elusive forest guardian that embodied all nature. 3rd gen: This is where Game Freak began to push the number of Legendaries. We got mineral-based golems, weather-based creatures (a dragon, a whale, and a tyrannosaur), a genetically-altered alien, a steel genie thing that is completely pointless, and two forgettable psychic dragons. 4th gen: This was probably the worst. We got a few overly detailed, Digimon-esque dragons embodying Time, Space, and... I guess whatever Giratina embodies. We also got 3 stupid-ass pixies, a pointless 4th Golem, a robotic volcano monster, a sea pixie, a flower hedgehog, these two nondescript ghost-monster-robots embodying dreams and nightmares, and let's not forget the all-powerful, almighty goat. 5th gen: We get 3 robot dragons that I guess were supposed to embody the Tao, 3 nondescript horse-dog-cat-monsters that represented the 3 musketeers (A great concept, but ruined by the fact that the Pokemon themselves were just monsters), 3 genie-kami things that serve no purpose, a pony thing that was probably designed by 12-year-old Bronies, a singer Pokemon, and a robotic-monster-gun-mantis thing. |
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When did Reshiram/Zekrom/Kyurem become Robots? This is news to me.
Also Sigilyph is based off the Nazca Hummingbird. Gothorita is akin to both Mr. Mime and Jynx. Trubbish and Garbador's existance is exactly the same as Grimer's. They were created through Human pollution. Vanillite, while its like has the looks of Ice Cream, they are solid chunks of living Ice. As for Food based Pokemon, Cherim is a living Cherry. You can't even call any of the Pokemon from the newer Generations Digimon. If you can, then there were Digimon in Generation 1 as well. Golem is very Digimon-Esque by the same deffinition. Gyarados looks like its covered in Plate Armor with the Segments it has. The designs of Pokemon have been controversial since Gen 1 when compared to Digimon. If you are a true fan you don't care cause if its made by GameFreak its a Pokemon. You can't even argue against that. Made by the company that made the game for the game, it belongs in the game. Digimon aren't just complex, but no one seems to care about that little bit of info cause the only thing they want to do is complain about the ones that do get complex and metallic. No, none of the new Pokemon look any more Digimon-esque than any Pokemon in any generation before. |
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And Voltorb, Magnemite, and Grimer had good reasons to look man-made. They were man-made. Plus, Voltorb's Pokeball-like appearance is similar to the appearance of a Mimic, a common RPG monster that looks like a treasure chest. Ditto transformed, and while Jynx was odd, it was in fact a novelty Pokemon even at the time. Quote:
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And why do you keep bringing up Seel? I know you Unova-obsessed newbies are all "HURR DURR KAYNTO AND JOTTO SUKS BEKAZ MANGMITE AND GRIMER AND YEAH!!!!1111", but Seel? What's wrong with Seel? It has a simple design, it's slightly cute, and it was an interesting Water-type option for a Gen. 1 team. Quote:
Umm, so this is a Pokemon? I mean, by your knowledge, Drill Dozer was made by Game Freak, so the main character must be a Pokemon, right? And plus, I'm sorry, but if Game Freak made a super-complicated, super-armored giant half tiger, half dragon demon, that looked nothing like a Pokemon, and called it a Pokemon, then it wouldn't look like a Pokemon. I'm sorry, but contrary to you Unova fans' beliefs, Pokemon does have a certain style to it. |
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Yes if GameFreak made a super-complicated, super-armored giant half tiger, half dragon demon, FOR THE POKEMON GAMES, it WOULD be a Pokemon. No, Pokemon doesn't have one specific design. It goes from Cute and cuddly to grotesque just as Digimon does, Digimon even goes further and into more detail. All 649 Pokemon would fit into the Digimon world because Digimon's art style is more broad than that of Pokemon's. So really, All Pokemon look like Digimon cause they all could fit in the Digimon world despite the fact that the two are completely separate entities, have stressed to fans that neither side is using concepts from the other, and are in no way are the two supposed to be related/compared because of core structural differences. as for this: Quote:
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And yes Blue and Lance, the E4 in general for Kanto was easy. I beat them without too much trouble, and my brother beat the game faster than I did. He was 6 when he started playing. He beat his game in about 20ish hours and was underleveled by about 5 levels when he beat Blue. I beat mine in about 23ish hours and was evenly leveled with Blue. Then and Now, there are Pokemon with horrible designs, don't fit with an expected Pokemon theme with "All" fans (cause yes I will acknowledge that not everyone views things the same way which is apparent in this thread). And just to make something clear, my Favorite Pokemon Game is Yellow and Kanto is my favorite region. I think highly of Unova because for me its a Second Kanto even down to the design of the Pokemon, especially the ones everyone seems to hate which was roughly the same generic reception that Magnemite/Grimer got when they were released. The argument sadly blew up with the introduction of Digimon and the fact that we DO have 4 other Generations to compare all the Pokemon with. Ironically two of my favorite Pokemon are from Kanto and Unova XD Pokemon's Art is evolving over time, they even add to the older Pokemon, what with Gender Differences and all that. Who is to say that in 1 or 2 Generations they may sneak in new designs to older Pokemon without us knowing simply to have the older ones match the change they made to the newer ones. |
Because people don't take off the nostalgia goggles. But that's all I'm going to say, as I don't want to be a part of this convoluted conversation.
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I have yet to hear a person who blatantly hates the games as a whole to give a valid reason for hating the games. Most of those people refuse to take off their nostalgia goggles. Thus, they see Pokemon like Vanillite and Trubbish and completely reject the games as a whole. So, nostalgia, plain and simple. Also, those people who refuse to take off the nostalgia glasses make me very angry.
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The whole idea of the Pokemon style is one that you Unova fans often overlook while bashing anyone who dares prefer the older games over the new ones. You hate the idea that most Pokemon have a certain artistic style. For a decent retrospective on the Pokemon style, just look at some beginner Fakemon. Many of them look nothing like actual Pokemon, and much of the time it's due to a style that is quite unlike that of Pokemon, whether it be because of a larger reliance on realism, a more cartoonish style, or a different factor. Quote:
As for what you actually said, what part of "I started out with Gen. III" do you not understand? Just because I started with Gen. III, that doesn't mean I think that that generation is the only good one. In fact, I prefer Johto over the other generations. I'll (hopefully) leave the conversation with this statement: I don't hate all Generation V Pokemon. Just look at my username: Elgyem Sure, I do think that many of the Generation V Pokemon were lacklustre, but a few were decent. I thought that Elgyem and Beheeyem were cool, and the concept of Reuniclus was certainly interesting. I liked some of the more animal-inspired Pokemon of the Generation (ex. Joltik/Galvantula, Deerling/Sawsbuck, Stoutland, etc.). It's not that I hate, or even dislike, the games. They were still alright, but personally I didn't enjoy them as much as I enjoyed HG/SS. Overall, I thought the games were good, but not great. I certainly liked the Unova Pokemon better than the Sinnoh Pokemon, that's one thing for sure. Overall, I'd give the games something like a 35/40. Not amazing, but still good. I just kind of wished the game was slightly harder and the postgame was better. |
There are only a few of the original designers still designing pokemon. The design style has really changed. There was nothing wrong with the games, but design wise I think they are going in the wrong direction. :(
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Reminder time - guys, this thread is about why you think others dislike the games, not for your own personal opinion on why they suck/why they were good, which is what Perfect Score/Compared to other generations and so on is for. We get the same discussions over and over, and if every new thread that remotely discusses opinions turns into this then I don't really think the section needs it. From now on guys, please, keep in mind you're not saying why YOU dislike them, or YOUR issues with them, and instead address other people's issues, which are the common complaints about the games. These include post game, too easy, only Unova Pokemon, Unova Pokemon are ugly, and so on. I'm sure you've seen enough about the common complaints to be able to discuss from those. :(
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Reasons why I think bad remarks are made:
1. Some of the Pokemon's designs step over a lot of people's subconscious limit i.e. they're of the opinion that things like garbage and ice cream shouldn't form the basis of a Pokemon design. I'm slightly in agreement with this. I think that garbage and ice cream Pokemon is stretching a bit too far, but hey. It appeals to some people and has proven to be somewhat successful, so I can't knock Game Freak for that. 2. Simply put, many of us have grown older, which means it is impossible to replicate the feeling of excitement we once knew as kid playing Pokemon RGBY/GSC/RSE. In other words, nostalgia goggles are worn by too many people. I've grown to accept that newer Pokemon games will likely never be as special to me as the first three series of games, so now I just enjoy the games for what they are. 3. Problems that have cropped up before appear again in BW. Lack of post game, Gym Leaders cannot be rematched, too many legendaries etc. To be honest, I preferred BW a whole lot more than I did DPPt. I could probably write pages of complaints about those games (or at least DP). |
I had the exact same amount of excitement playing old games as a kid and playing these newer ones. Goggles don't effect me. I know a good improvement to a series when I see one.
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Honestly, the only "bad" remarks I've seen are those of people that are too picky. "The Pokemon's designs suck because [X]." "There are like a million legendaries." "I don't like the shape of Unova." And the list goes on. Some of it is nostalgia talking, but a lot of it is just pickiness. Sure, the games weren't perfect, but they weren't terrible; however, if you expect everything in the games to be 100% how you want it, you're going to be disappointed, because Game Freak isn't going to come over to your house and make a game custom-tailored to your every whim. |
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Really, I don't go around the internet hating on Magnemite and Grimer. The only time I do this is when you people say this. Also, I don't quite get where you get the impression I hate Kanto. Quote:
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Those are some good points guys, some of them i read, some i didn't. The reason why i didn't read some was because they were mostly just a great, big argument. Requility is right i just wanted your opinions :).
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Honestly, I wasn't expecting much from this game when I first was informed of it's release. Yes, I agree that the new Pokemon don't look like previous art. I gave it a chance and thought that the story was pretty good, nothing like previous games (again). But I think that you can't expect everything to be better than before (happens with everything, from games, to music, anything really), just expect something good out of it. :)
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