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Chick-Fil-A (restaurant chain) Controversy
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Source tl;dr Owner of fast food chain, as a Christian, doesn't support gay marriage. I mean really? They do not discriminate against anyone so I don't see why this was blown up. Especially in Chicago where a restaurant was not allowed to operate. Now I know why they don't open on Sundays. |
I say good for the owner, he should be allowed to say and serve who ever he wants.
Chicago on the other hand, should not have banned said business, that is an infringement on their 1st amendment freedom of speech. |
I'm fine with him not supporting gay marriage as long as he doesn't force his beliefs on someone else. I'm actually glad that he stood up for his beliefs like the LGBT community does to their side.
If we tell him being gay is right, and force it on him, we're just as guilty as the Christians who did force their beliefs on the Prop 8 law and so on. |
The family's beliefs are the family's beliefs. Saying that it's the stance of the company is a bit off-putting, I must admit, but they have every right to make that decision (I assume they decided on this, just from the titles of most of the articles. correct me if I'm wrong) and also to live with any backlash that may come from it. I don't think the company needs to be run out of town, but they also don't deserve any special protection. Give them the same exact treatment they got before.
Seriously though, if they treat everybody fairly and equally then I see no problem. I don't agree with their stance either, but boycotting them will probably do nothing to change their opinions. If anything, it would probably harden them. Whatever. I'm a vegetarian anyways. |
tbqh, I am TIIIIIREEEEEDDDDDDDD of seeing all this crap on Facebook. You get on, and you see "Chic-Fil-A are gay hating poops" "I'm so proud of Chic-Fil-A standing up for what they believe in" "I'm not eating at Chic-Fil-A" SHUT. UP. I am just tired of seeing it anywhere. You believe what you believe, and that's fine if he doesn't agree with gay marriage. You can't win them all.
The real controversy is that the money they make apparently goes to anti-gay programs and organizations that contribute to gay teen suicides? First things first, I would think most of their money would go into maintaining their locations, keeping food and drink in stock, as well as dishes, bags, etc and other cookings supplies. The last thing they should worry about is donating to something like that. Second, how does an organization cause suicide? Do they pay gay teens to kill themselves? I don't mean to sound ignorant about this part of the deal, but I'm having a hard time believing it or making sense out of it, honestly. So if someone would like to explain this to me, it would be very appreciated, cause it's just not something I'm understanding. But yeah, back to the company leader not believing in gay marriage...who really cares? The fact that the place already had established religious ways about it should have implied that it was a high possibility, if not a given. Though saying that it is the company's belief isn't right, unless he polled everyone that works in Chic-Fil-A in some way about their beliefs on the matter. Unless he did that, then he cannot speak on behalf of that many people. |
Don't like Chick-fil-A being bigoted homophobes? Don't eat there. Don't like gay marriage? Don't get gay married.
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Am I missing something here? While I think gay marriage is perfectly ok, I understand that not everyone agrees and I think it's thoroughly ridiculous that people will refuse to eat there because the owner simply holds a different belief. If this is really all it is, then honestly the people protesting are just making themselves look bad in my eyes. I mean, "nuggets full of hate"? "I hope you change your ways or close down"? Really? What's so hard about accepting that some people think differently? The owner wasn't imposing his views on anyone - he was giving a statement about his stance on gay marriage - and this is what it gets him? Surely there's something more controversial than just... "this person disagrees with gay marriage" going on here.
I'm certain at this point that I've misread the article tbh. Someone help? |
I think it's wrong to be against gay marriage, one of my best friends is gay and has a boyfriend. I mean but seriously who cares what Chick-Fil-A thinks... It's a CHRISTIAN family. While I am a LaVeyan Satanist but it's not like I believe in all Satanist values, I just don't understand what's up with all this... I think it's just wrong to blow this up.
WHO THE FORK CARES IF YOU'RE AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE??? -______________________________- |
So...? People are actually dumb enough to hate and bash a restaurant for their religious stand? This means that the offenders are indirectly criticizing the owner's religion, not stand. Since when do people have the sense to boycott someone with an opinion? I don't remember the owner to claim force on his belief did he? All they claimed is they don't find same-sex marriage right...which is their Christian faith. So what went wrong here? It's the same, Christians not supporting same-sex marriage as they did before. What's wrong!
It really pissed me off how people state that the owners are the one's who are discriminant and offensive...while it's obvious it's the exact opposite. This whole same-sex marriage issue is getting sick honestly, I'm no Christian, but yet, same-sex marriage seems not right to me. Never did I prevent it though and never did I offend gays....I just socialize perfectly normal with them as civilized human beings.... People are taking it too far, for an excuse they claim to be "freedom" or "love", I find that to be hypocritical. Just end this issue by either letting these gays live as they want or banish their acts... |
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This statement assumes that a persons actions only affects the person who makes that action. But as we all know a persons actions effect more then just themselves, it effects society, and everyone around them. Take for instance the owner of Chick-fil-A, he made an action, stating his belief on an interview, and it effected other people whether it be emotionally, mentally, or economically he effected someone. He could have easily just declined the question. |
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Part of the controversy has to do with the disagreement and disillusion of a Toy deal Chick-Fil-A had with the Jim Henson Company. Following the comments, the Henson Co. (The company of the creator of the Muppets) severed their partnership. http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7oi71yXqG1r0l6mao1_500.jpg To which Chick-Fil-A responded with: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7oi71yXqG1r0l6mao2_500.jpg Not to mention, Chick-Fil-A donates a large amount of their money to politicians & causes that keep Gay marriage illegal. |
Chick-fil-A, can find a different toy distributor, one that isn't so closed minded.
Sounds perfectly fine, people donate to lobbyist, and congressman all the time, to have their beliefs pushed for. |
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The mental gymnastics you have to do to argue that people who disavow public displays of bigotry are committing bigotry themselves--the Muppets creators are ending their collaborative efforts with a company whose CEO has made it clear in public what his views are--a company that spends tons of money in lobbying efforts to pass anti-gay legislation. You can believe whatever you wish. When you take the next step and try to foist your beliefs onto others, that's when you've gone too far. I and others would leave you alone with your Christian beliefs if you weren't so set on making gay marriage illegal. Your religion has no place in government. This isn't an issue of my political beliefs vs. yours, this is you blatantly ignoring the establishment clause of the Constitution. And it's funny, because so many Christians would lose their minds if it were a different religion trying to impose its beliefs onto others through the government. Imagine if Islam were to do the same thing, and have women forced to wear the hijab in the US. Well it's their beliefs and you've decided the establishment clause doesn't mean dick right? The hypocrisy is astounding. And lastly, let's not forget that the Bible has much more to say about other 'abominations.' How about the parts of the Bible that say you can't eat shellfish? Why is gay marriage the thing you focus on? This cherry-picking demonstrates the hate and ignorance Christians display toward their fellow man--how very Christlike! Yes, you ignore the parts that talk about shellfish because that's just ridiculous. We shouldn't determine what is right and wrong from some Bronze Age mythology, something you're able to easily see if it is on any other issue besides gay marriage. bigots. |
There are closed minded, because they never considered the fact that they might be wrong, they can not accept any different view points, which is close mindedness.
I never once said I was christian, there can be made secular arguments against gay marriage. Homosexuality falls under rational court classifications, and as such it is perfectly legal to treat them differently, and for good reason. In this economy giving a tax break to people, who seek to obtain a unorthodox marriage is not beneficial. I could give you more arguments but I would rather just make a thread with a long list of my arguments with proof, and statistics. |
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'Not beneficial' in what sense? You're starting to sound really sketchy. And LOL we cannot give tax breaks to gay couples because that would hurt the economy? Give me a (tax) break. How about the tax breaks for corporations and the wealthy? I'm pretty sure their tax relief is what is truly putting a strain on the economy. There is nothing materially different about gay couples that would justify this. They are two individuals who enter into an agreement to share property--the sex of the individuals in this agreement should not matter. If you're just going to generate a bunch of spurious economic arguments for why discriminating against one kind of marriage over another is valid, you're not going to succeed. The increase in marriage license fees because more people are entering into legally recognized marriages serves as a counter-example of how homosexuals getting married would be beneficial to the state. Quote:
One last thing on the Chik Fil A discussion: Corporations getting into the business of bringing attention to themselves for their stance on societal issues is something I don't really like--whether you're for or against something. That's why I really didn't like it when Oreo did that pride promo--if Nabisco really cared about gay marriage, it should go lobby Congress to make it legal. It was just a clever marketing ploy to sell more oreos. |
This is why it's okay to be upset with Chick-Fil-A:
Businesses give money to politicians at all levels of government. That's a fact of life. Anti-gay politicians are what is keeping same-sex marriage from being legal in the U.S. If a business is giving money to anti-gay politicians it is helping to keep same-sex marriage illegal. Because same-sex marriage should, as a right, be legal a business that helps to support keeping it illegal is infringing on people's rights. Quote:
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I still think the Chicago is still completely wrong to ban Chick-Fil-A. he should be sued. |
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Personally, I believe people are right to be ticked off at Chick-Fil-A. By donating money to the continued discrimination of homosexuals, they are trying to impose their own religious beliefs on others. Regardless of your own religious beliefs, this is simply an Un-American thing to do. |
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If you don't like the copmany don't go there, but do not stop them from making more franchises. It's people pleasing at its best. |
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Aight, being a gay Christian myself, I can say that Paul never said that you can't have gay marriage. He said that "God gave them up to degrading passions." Do you also remember the other stuff, like partying and swearing? Yeah, homosexuality is not one of the big issues, and the whole deal is that nobody should have their liberty and freedom stolen. Being "immoral" isn't something you, the Christians, should try to change. You're just as immoral as them (or maybe even worse) but by the grace of God you're perfect.
There was a gay pastor with AIDS once at a retreat (Christopher Yuan y'all). He said that he was gay and fully gay, never gonna turn back, but he said once he saw the light he started working on controlling his feelings. But before? He was the Almighty Gay Meth Lord who regularly went into "bath houses" for hours at a time. Now he's one of the nicest guys I've certainly seen, and that was all a guy who used to be a meth selling, dude banging piece of lowly crap who spent years in prison and hated Christians. tl;dr God has a plan for everyone. When you intrude on things like these what you're doing is pretty much mini-modding. Be glad Heaven doesn't have the same infraction system as PC. |
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Are the claims of Chick-Fil-A funding those organizations true? |
You alone, as a mere human, can't turn around another human. Only God can save you, hence "Jesus saves" as they say.
You simply need to tell them what's wrong or right, but not push them. And tbh I think they've been told many times already. I thought every Christian knew that. :c And why would they waste money on that? Not only would that be a waste of money, it would keep away sales... |
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In that Romans passage you quoted, it says that same-sex relations are unnatural and shameless, which is nothing. Many things are unnatural, and just about everything related to sex is shameless. Also in 1st Corinthians Paul states nothing about homosexuality in his section about sexual immortality nor in his section about love. He literally just states that love is love, basically. I mean he wrote the book of ROMANS and loved/lived in ROME, homosexuality was quite popular and accepted in Rome. Do you really think he was against it? Jesus wasn't either. Really dislike how rampant misunderstandings of the bible are, and I'm not even Christian! Anyways, on topic. Yes, people are entitled to freedom of speech, but a company promoting hate groups with it's profits isn't free speech. Companies aren't people. Businesses influence politics which influences the lives of everyone. |
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Donating to and supporting anti-gay groups which stifle our rights is forcing a belief on us. Like I said, they influence politics which has a direct influence on the lives of everyone. They are psuedo-indirectly, albeit completely directly, forcing their beliefs on the world. Also, the core of the KKK (the ACTUAL Knights) has never been racist or hateful, and are more accepting of different people than most Conservatives. Your view of them has been twisted by media and misfits of previous generations, just like how you assume every Athiest views you. |
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I'm not really up the story. Are they discriminating at all? Not serving or not hiring people as a result? If so, then they're clearly in the wrong. Are they contributing to organization to halt gay rights legislation? If so, again I can see why people would be upset. But I don't know if either is true, so I'm not upset. Also, I don't think we have Chick-Fil-A here. So, I really don't care XD At the same time though, if they're not doing something illegal and its just the opinion the owner/founder/president/whatever, what's the big deal? If it doesn't influence the restaurant or the public, it doesn't seem like a big deal to. If it is to you though, then boycott them. Don't buy their food or go to their restaurant. That's capitalism. But, the restaurant should not be banned anywhere because of it. Quote:
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I am not going to eat there anymore. I am completely FOR gay marriage. And the owner is spending his money on anti-gay stuff. People are ridiculous.
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What if Chick-Fil-A released a statement against homosexual marriage? I think it is their right to do so. What if Starbucks is in favor of homosexual marriage? I think it is their right to be in favor of it. What if Oreo released a "gay cookie?" I think it is their right to do so. Now, here are four other related points I want to raise:
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Sure, I don't agree with their opinion (I'm a gay FTM Transgender), but it is their opinion nonetheless and everyone is entitled to have their own beliefs as long as they don't force them on other people.
And eitherway, I'm vegan, so I wouldn't have ate there anyways. ;P |
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If I was actively hurting these employees that would be a different thing, but I'm just taking my business elsewhere. Well, I say all that but I've never even been to one of these restaurants. lol |
Chick-fil-a contributes to organizations that further anti-gay agendas and do things like support pray the gay away camps, which hurt LGBT youth.
I feel that as someone capable of empathy, it kind of makes sense to want to avoid giving money to a business like that |
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You are wrong, however, that he should be permitted to serve whoever he wants. There are laws prohibiting businesses serving the public from discriminating against people because of their age, their sex, their religion, their ethnic background, their disability, and in some places their sexual orientation. If you deny service to someone because they are black for instance, you would be in violation of the law and would be subject to appropriate penalties (which could include the loss of license to operate). Quote:
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I went to Chick-fil-A the other day, just to try it out, and if anything this is media attention is actually helping the business. I saw so many people there it was packed, and it wasn't even there busy hours.
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Yesterday was their Chick-Fil-A appreciation day and it was packed. I'm sure some people were there to support free speech and their marriage beliefs and all, and my uncle even posted a picture of all the people inside and said, "Look at all the tolerant individuals here today." which sadly isn't sarcasm.
If you want a good read, because I'm sure if you signed on Facebook yesterday and you live in the south, you only heard the "Christian" side of things and how "Christians are the tolerant ones," then I suggest this. The other side. http://www.theopinionatednation.com/2012/08/02/the-other-side-of-chick-fil-a-appreciation-day-it-really-shook-me/ |
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So, as you can see, this controversy began long before Dan Cathy gave his interview which has sparked all this activity both for and against the company. Quote:
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Here is a link to the complete claim: http://www.glaad.org/files/101150536-Lawsuit_1.pdf |
It's funny that every time I sign on Facebook, people are talking about this and don't even know what the deal is. People think that everyone's up in arms because the guy doesn't believe in same-sex marriage. Like it's been said, the guy is entitled to his own opinion. But the money we pay at his Chick-Fil-A (tired of typing, seeing, and hearing that name btw) restaurants are going to anti-gay organizations. THAT is the problem that most people aren't understanding. If the money were out of his own pocket, then that's another story. It's his money, do what you want with it. But it's not his money in this case. It's ours. And one might argue that it's not our money anymore once we hand it to that cashier, but we're contributing. Isn't that just as bad? So if you want to contribute to that and all, I won't stop you, though I will wonder how you can give your money to an establishment that will turn right back around and give it to a group that will use it to go against basic human rights. It is some damn good chicken though, sadly. But there are other places I can get food from.
Something else funny? In 40 years, these people are going to look so dumb. We look at our history books now and think "omg white only places?! that's not right!" and in the future, kids will look in their books and think "omg two men couldn't get married back then?! that's not right!" I hope to be around by then. |
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You can boycott and whatever, but that just doesn't give them more money. The money they've already made is still their's to use as they please because it's their's and not your's. Still, I'm not super familiar with all this. Is Chick-Fil-A anti gay marriage, anti gay rights in general, or entirely homophobic in general? |
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True, it's no longer our money, and as you correctly point out, we can refuse to give them our business if we don't like what they do with it. So then, why all the stories about this company? Simple. To provide information to people who might frequent these establishments so that they might better understand where the money they give to them goes and let them decide if they want to indirectly fund these anti-gay organizations. Quote:
Something to think about whenever you buy a chicken sandwich from that place. What effect might doing so have later on on a gay relative, or neighbour, or friend? |
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In addition, they donate to a group who spent money in support of the bill in Uganda that wants to make being gay punishable by death. That's what really pushed me over the edge on their policies to be honest.
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How is it a "Basic Human Right", if it was a basic human right then everyone should be able to get married, even children. To say it is a basic human right is even more obscure then even calling it a right, which marriage isn't. People are not entitled to marriage, it is a privilege, and quite frankly I wished it was more heavy regulated even between heterosexuals; maybe that would lower the divorce rate. Race and sexuality are not the same, there are big diferences, socially, and legally. (Court Classification) In this thread people keep saying "as long as they don't force there opinion" But what is wrong with forcing your opnion if you belive that is the right opinion. It happens all the time, if a state was to allow for gay marriage that would be forcing there opinion on the people of that state, it would be that, gay marriage is right. Teachers force their opinions on their students all the time. Depending on which subject it is, it is easier to get away with it. A debate is just one big struggle to force one opinion unto another one using logic, and truth. You can not even say that no opinion is right, or that this opinion is wrong, beaucse that would be your opinion and you would be forcing it. Even saing things like "as long as they don't force there opinion" is forcing your opnion on people who want to force there opinion; How ironic! |
It's not forcing a opinion. It's giving these people the rights that they, as human beings, deserve.
Then again, this is the US. The entire country was based upon a double standard from the start, so it's no surprise that we are disregarding the words 'all men are created equal' again. We've done it in the past, we're doing it now, and we'll do it in the future too. Anyway, as history shows, gays will eventually get the rights that they deserve, no, are entitled to. |
Why do they desire it, and why are they entitled to it. What have they done, what gives them this privilege. Marriage is not a right, this is a fact, if it is not given to other social groups, then it is not a right. How many ways does "marriage is not a right", does it have to be explained?
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Claiming that people have studied the "subject" of homosexuality and is still against same-sex marriage is a joke. They can only quote old testament scripture, which is a huge riot because in the new testament we're told to love one another. Marriage is in fact a right, people have the right to get married. When saying marriage is a privilege, you might as well be saying: breathing oxygen is a privilege. You are entitled to an opinion, you have a right to free speech and you have the privilege of being ignorant. Oh, and instead of funding anti-gay organizations, don't you think all the money would be better off helping America's debt? |
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http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=285374 I am not sure if you read those arguments, or if you are simply trying to ignore the truth. |
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Who said I meant marriage when I said human right? This place donates to other organizations that are against homosexual behavior in general. Places that believe in gay camps or gay counseling. They even donate to organizations that promote the execution of homosexuals. So before you even bring marriage into this, tell me. How is the right to live happily not a human right? Why should they have to be killed? Or have someone teach them how to "un-gay" themselves? These types of things are infringing on human rights. Zet already went into the marriage thing for me, so I'm not going to be redundant. Where did race come from? From my comparison of the 40 years ago thing? How are they not different? You don't choose your skin color, and you don't choose your sexuality. For a long time, an African American couldn't marry a caucasian, or at least the places they could marry were not plentiful. During this time, the places a man can marry a man are very limited. I will acknowledge that race and sexuality are very different, yes, but they are still very similar, especially in that it's not something you choose. I can't wrap my mind around "teachers are forcing their opinions on students." I just...I can't. What am I reading? So, when I start teaching, I'm going to be forcing my opinion on my students that 2 + 2 = 4? That's an opinion? The way the letter A sounds. That's an opinion? The history in my state of Alabama. That didn't happen? It's only my opinion? Well shoot, I better not get in this major. The teacher example makes no sense. At all. But you know, I'm done with this thread. I've had all I can take really. So this is it from me. |
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Hey, it looks like some store manager in New Hampshire wants to support a local gay pride parade. It's causing some mixed reactions since people like that he's pro-gay rights, but his franchise still sends its earnings to the people at the top.
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Everyone has their opinions, if it's not forced onto you, then move the hell on. |
Is this guy's comments his alone and do not reflect the individual views of the people who work at Chick-Fil-A?
Please answer this question for me. Do other people who work at that place share his views as well? |
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The thing is, the thing that people are upset about (or should limit themselves to being upset about) is that money from these businesses are going into politics. These politics are keeping same-sex marriage (and generally gay-friendly laws) from being legal. So this is forced on us. That's why we're upset. It's not because some guy doesn't like gay people. (We don't like that either, but we can deal with it.) It's because he's using lots of money to play politics against gay people. |
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Are there actually sources that show that he gives to this charity supporting the death penalty for gays, by the way? |
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And CFA has many wrongful termination suits that happen all the time for people who were fired for atheism or in the most recent case, to become a stay-at-home mother. Here's an older Forbes article about it, in case you were worried about bias against them considering all the drama now. Quote:
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I'm glad Americans are able to voice their opinions openly and freely, as the owner did. He has the right to say what he wants. Chick-Fil-A serves any and all customers regardless of his views. If you don't like his views and it makes you not want to eat there, then don't eat there. If you like the food and don't care about one man's opinion (that doesn't affect the business he created or how you are served food in said establishment), then go eat there if you want it.
If you're gay, you can go to Chick-Fil-A and be served the same as a straight person, so I see nothing wrong with one man's opinion. If he chooses to donate his money to anti-gay groups, then that's also his right and it's his money. If he donates money from the business to it, it's still his right because it's his business. Once again, if you don't like his views, how he runs the operation, or what money is given to what group, then don't support Chick-Fil-A. Go eat somewhere that donates money to pro-LGBT causes. As for them looking to hire people that share their values and beliefs, as long as they are not basing their hiring process solely on discrimination, I don't see how this is different than any other job. You wouldn't hire an atheist to work for the Family Christian Bookstore, you wouldn't hire someone that's anti-drug for a marijuana dispensary. If the hiring staff at Chick-Fil-A are looking for a set of values and standards when hiring, then they should be allowed that liberty. Once again, it's their business. They can choose who to hire. On the flip side of that, I won't condone firing anyone based on beliefs or values. A legitimate reason needs to be established for terminating employment. It's more frightening to me that a city can ban a company from establishing a legitimate business over it. This seems like a much greater violation of rights than a man voicing HIS opinion, especially if Chick-Fil-A handled all requirements and permits to build restaurants there. As for myself, I've never had Chick-Fil-A. I've heard it's good. |
You might not want to hire an atheist at a Christian bookstore, but you can't not hire them if that's your only reason not to hire them. Given Chick-Fil-A's history I think it's reasonable to make sure they are employing people in accordance to the law. You can't specifically hire/not hire people because you like their religious/moral views. Equal employment law:
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This is all, of course, only in the US. Dunno how things work specifically in other countries, or if Chick-Fil-A has stores in other countries. |
I don't know if he did say this but if he said that his stance against gay marriage is his alone and not those of the people who work in his franchises, this might not be much of a hellstorm as it has turned out to be.
We got more pressing issues to worry about than some dude who owns a bunch of chicken places who isn't a fan of gay marriage. |
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Edit: In addition, this is about more than his opinions and his words. It's about the money and where it ends up. Him clarifying that his company doesn't follow the same values (it does) wouldn't change anything. |
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I think at the small business level or the "mom & pop" shop, you should be able to hire whoever you want based on whatever reason. It's a tight space and you're going to interacting a lot - so you better like each other. We're not ganging up on local Chinese restaurants hiring predominately Chinese people. At the big box or brandname level though - yeah, I completely agree that the equal employment law should apply. So, it would in the case here, yeah. Quote:
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Here's where we differ. I think it is especially important that small businesses (regardless of size) shouldn't be exempt from anti-discrimination laws. Remember, a lot of those big box stores out there started off as "mom and pop" shops. At what point should those business owners then suddenly no longer be exempt? It's easier, and smarter, to make ALL businesses operate on a level playing field. No special considerations and no exemptions. If you come into a town or city and are unwilling to adhere to the laws of that town or city, then it's best that you move along. |
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If you want marriage to be a privilege, I honest to God hope you lose your privilege to marriage and your privilege to repopulate. It would be for the greater good for this world and our future space alien gay overlords. Quote:
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PS. I will have you know that I got a 5 on the AP Test for Gov't/law and politics scoring in the top 10% of the country. If you don't believe me, I can take a picture of the letter I received, so please do not assume I do not know something, or that I am less intelligent just because I disagree with you. Quite frankly too many people do that, and it is very upsetting. Quote:
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Because I don't understand your statement either :/ |
I'm beginning to get very tired of the endless cycle of one person making ridiculous and unfounded arguments and then getting beat up on by the rest of the posters, STOP POSTING FOR THE 12th TIME, MOVE ON. Or I will start deleting posts and clamp down on this ridiculously annoying thread. No more.
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Could I ask that you put a little more care into what you're typing? You lose a lot of credibility when you misspell 4-5 words in a single sentence. Quote:
Your AP scores are irrelevant in this discussion, and in fact in any discussion unless the discussion is about AP classes. Jay is correct whether or not you got a high score on a test. |
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Also, I would kindly ask that you do not put words in my mouth. I did not make any assumption as to your level of intelligence. I simply indicated that in this instance, your interpretation of the law was not correct. There is a big difference. Quote:
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The kiss-in had less of a turn out than the Wednesday event.
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Of course. Are you really surprised? Proportionally, there's a lot less of us than there are of straights. And it should also be noted that in a lot of places, a good number of us are still not out for fear of retaliation by family members, co-workers, employers, or landlords. That does tend to keep participation levels low at public events like this.
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Hmm, after reading all of this, I can almost say that my opinion has altered a little.
I grew up with my father being gay, so please keep in mind that I'm trying not to let that cloud my judgement. While I applaud Chick-a-Fill for going with what they believe in, they should have known that something like this would occur, and that they'd most likely lose customers over it. I mean, they'd lose me as a customer, but that doesnt mean that I don't respect them in the sense that they had the guts (or overconfidence, but still. I don't know enough about the people in the company to say the ulterior motive behind the statement, despite the fact that we all are aware of their religious affiliation) to make a bold statement like that, despite the fact that it could possibly backfire. Chick-a-Fill's statement is sorta like a gay protest, or pride parade. They're just stating what they believe in. And as with gay pride and protests, there will always be people who disagree. My personal opinion is that if it makes their life happier, leave them be. I feel like if it made Chick-a-Fill as a whole company feel better by letting that off their chest, so be it. Sure, I won't eat there (to be honest I rarely do to this day, so its not much of a change) but I won't personally make a big deal out of it. Same with gays in general- I agree with them, but you won't see me making a big deal out of it. I wouldnt want to offend someone else that way. D: Its such a sticky topic that way. And truly, if I offended anyone, I really didnt mean to. |
So.... what is the resolution being sought?
Should the company (or the owner) apologize? Should the donations to whatever causes he donates too cease? Should the company just absolve? |
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Is there no end goal? Just going to be weekly kiss-ins on one side and appreciation days on the other side? |
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It was noted previously that the "kiss-in" drew in far fewer participants than the event organized to support Chick-Fil-A. And this is because we are a minority. Not only that, we are a suppressed and persecuted minority. We're shunned, beaten, raped, and killed because of who we are. And because of that persecution, only a small number of us dare to come out. If people would only wake up to realities of the discrimination we face every single day in every village, town, and city in the U.S, there'd be a lot less companies proudly shouting out their prejudice. |
Hey hey guys! I have an easy way to settle this! it's really easy, but listen closely
... ... ... If you hate Chik-a-Fil...don't eat there. Seriously, protest with your dollar. Let illiterate bigots support a hate spewing CEO. On the Flip side, and I said this as a gay man myself, Dan Cathy is speaking his mind. I don't like him because he's a more disgusting version of Rick Santorum, but this is his opinion. Yes his exact words were "we are inviting God's judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at Him and say, 'We know better than you as to what constitutes a marriage.' I pray God's mercy on our generation that has such a prideful, arrogant attitude to think that we have the audacity to define what marriage is about." And is anyone that surprised? Cathy is a super fundamentalist Christian who even makes sure the restaurant is closed on Sunday. Why is everyone so surprised by this? |
I don't see why people are against him using his money how he pleases. You work, you get wages, does your employer monitor what you buy? Does he say, no, you can't get that Pokemon game because it's lame? He earned his money, he can use it as he pleases.
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Like sex before marriage or work on Sundays or anything else, not every Christian is stuck in the 1940s. Most I have met aren't. God created the universe and Jesus was a cool guy. Everything else is superfluous. But if a private citizen or a private company wants to believe whatever they want to believe or support or whatever they want to support, they should be able to... with the obvious repercussions of that, especially if they put it out in the open, as we're seeing. Like... I will support your right to be a vile hateful idiot, even if I completely disagree with you - which is the case here. Private people and private organization can do whatever they want so long as it isn't illegal. By all means try to change them, but it so isn't going to happen. Quote:
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This would be a much easier battle if there were shareholders. They might pressure a leadership change. That's too bad. Is the making being gay illegal and the murder in Uganda claims legit? I'm not really following the story because we don't have these eateries here, so I don't care much... but whenever I see it mentioned in the media it's always just "He spoke out against gay marriage. Everyone else is now all huffy". The other stuff (which is horrible and a very valid reason for a boycott and force financial repercussions) I've only seen here. So, I'm somewhat suspicious. |
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I offer this video (he states this opinion at the very end of the segment): |
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This thread's starting to get ratty. Again. Livewire's left a warning in here already and I'm about to leave another one - please think before posting. This is a bit heated, and I'm ok with that, but things have to stay respectful. I've warned people in this thread already and I won't hesitate to hand out infractions and close the whole thing if necessary. Please be sure to post respectfully or don't post at all before stuff gets out of hand, which would be a real shame since it's provoked some interesting discussion up to now.
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God is love, Jesus is love, the Holy Spirit is love, the Trinity is love. God is love, among other things. He is contradicting himself when he supports the killing of homosexuality, no, anyone, and when he isn't embracing any group of people. I am ashamed to call myself a Christian in front of the world and the Internet because of people like him. He is the minority - the majority of Christians are disgusted by him and people like him. It is a fact that we are, because whether you are Lutheran or Calvinist, Catholic or Protestant, if you have even read the Bible you should know that God loves the sinners, and that Jesus didn't hang out with the righteous people, but rather the prostitutes and the homeless and the downcasts of society. It's not just horrid, but absolutely confounding, confusing, crazy, outrageous, and wrong to support the killing of any group of people (much less the gays), especially if you're Christian. (To people who still want to read on:) Spoiler:
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It also isn't publicly traded. It is a privately held and family owned company. Cathy is CEO. Heck, they don't even franchise in the traditional way. They own most of their locations, which is not the case with McDonald's for example. It is his company and ultimately his money, not your money, or my money, or anyone else's. Once you have exchanged your hard earned cash for the chicken - the chicken is your's, and the money is their's. That is how the transaction works. It is your money until you give it to someone else. So, boycott so that you don't give him more. Makes perfect sense. But you don't really have a say in what they do with it once it is no longer your possession. Does that justify him? No, probably not. But it isn't your money. I wish people would freak out when their own money is misspent by elected officials rather than focus on what individuals do with their own money. If you're selling lemonade, and I've bought some from you and I'm a happy customer, you have that money. Then I find out, you're abusive to your dog. I don't come anymore because I don't want to support you further. But if you use the money gave you before to further punish your dog, well tough. I can't ask for my money back. |
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The wonderful thing about freedom of speech is that it works both ways. Legally, everybody has the right to say whatever they want. So yes, this company has every right to publicly oppose gay marriage. Then we, in turn, have every right to publicly lambast them as shameful bigots. That, my friends, is how it should be. It's where the real fun starts :P
Nobody should have their right to free speech legally stripped away. They should deal with the consequences in the public and social spheres; it's so much sweeter that way. I'd rather everything be out on the table so everybody knows exactly where everybody stands. I'd much rather Chick-Fil-A (or any company, for that matter) come forth and state they're against gay marriage rather than have them secretly be against gay marriage and be taking my money and using it to fund their world view. |
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But Cathy is not Jesus or God, so let the power of Christ compel them on their own. The only duty of the ones in Christ, no matter how rich or poor, sinful or holy, is to spread his word in the way that everyone can hear the joy of the gift of God's grace. There is no need to force them to reform; that is God's job, and tbh He does a much better job than Cathy or the (any, for that matter) organization ever will. You know not to mini-mod on PC, right? That is the same here. Press the "report" button and let whatever wrath you have fall in a fantasy that does not affect them. It seems to be working for me, at least. Spread the message, don't let it be held back. Tell the gays and pro-abortionists that they're loved on the same level that He loves the Pope, Martin Luther, Paul of Tarsus, and everyone else. No need to reform them; that's a sin in itself, to hurt others. Quote:
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Well I see all your points of view. Chick Fil A continue to present a friendly and excellent customer service whenever I go there and I hope they do not discriminate.
I've learned from your posts, the Christian posters anyway, not to judge/discriminate against others even if you do not agree with their lifestyle, which is a given anyway. |
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