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Donating to and supporting anti-gay groups which stifle our rights is forcing a belief on us. Like I said, they influence politics which has a direct influence on the lives of everyone. They are psuedo-indirectly, albeit completely directly, forcing their beliefs on the world. Also, the core of the KKK (the ACTUAL Knights) has never been racist or hateful, and are more accepting of different people than most Conservatives. Your view of them has been twisted by media and misfits of previous generations, just like how you assume every Athiest views you. |
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I'm not really up the story. Are they discriminating at all? Not serving or not hiring people as a result? If so, then they're clearly in the wrong. Are they contributing to organization to halt gay rights legislation? If so, again I can see why people would be upset. But I don't know if either is true, so I'm not upset. Also, I don't think we have Chick-Fil-A here. So, I really don't care XD At the same time though, if they're not doing something illegal and its just the opinion the owner/founder/president/whatever, what's the big deal? If it doesn't influence the restaurant or the public, it doesn't seem like a big deal to. If it is to you though, then boycott them. Don't buy their food or go to their restaurant. That's capitalism. But, the restaurant should not be banned anywhere because of it. Quote:
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I am not going to eat there anymore. I am completely FOR gay marriage. And the owner is spending his money on anti-gay stuff. People are ridiculous.
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What if Chick-Fil-A released a statement against homosexual marriage? I think it is their right to do so. What if Starbucks is in favor of homosexual marriage? I think it is their right to be in favor of it. What if Oreo released a "gay cookie?" I think it is their right to do so. Now, here are four other related points I want to raise:
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Sure, I don't agree with their opinion (I'm a gay FTM Transgender), but it is their opinion nonetheless and everyone is entitled to have their own beliefs as long as they don't force them on other people.
And eitherway, I'm vegan, so I wouldn't have ate there anyways. ;P |
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If I was actively hurting these employees that would be a different thing, but I'm just taking my business elsewhere. Well, I say all that but I've never even been to one of these restaurants. lol |
Chick-fil-a contributes to organizations that further anti-gay agendas and do things like support pray the gay away camps, which hurt LGBT youth.
I feel that as someone capable of empathy, it kind of makes sense to want to avoid giving money to a business like that |
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You are wrong, however, that he should be permitted to serve whoever he wants. There are laws prohibiting businesses serving the public from discriminating against people because of their age, their sex, their religion, their ethnic background, their disability, and in some places their sexual orientation. If you deny service to someone because they are black for instance, you would be in violation of the law and would be subject to appropriate penalties (which could include the loss of license to operate). Quote:
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I went to Chick-fil-A the other day, just to try it out, and if anything this is media attention is actually helping the business. I saw so many people there it was packed, and it wasn't even there busy hours.
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Yesterday was their Chick-Fil-A appreciation day and it was packed. I'm sure some people were there to support free speech and their marriage beliefs and all, and my uncle even posted a picture of all the people inside and said, "Look at all the tolerant individuals here today." which sadly isn't sarcasm.
If you want a good read, because I'm sure if you signed on Facebook yesterday and you live in the south, you only heard the "Christian" side of things and how "Christians are the tolerant ones," then I suggest this. The other side. http://www.theopinionatednation.com/2012/08/02/the-other-side-of-chick-fil-a-appreciation-day-it-really-shook-me/ |
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So, as you can see, this controversy began long before Dan Cathy gave his interview which has sparked all this activity both for and against the company. Quote:
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Here is a link to the complete claim: http://www.glaad.org/files/101150536-Lawsuit_1.pdf |
It's funny that every time I sign on Facebook, people are talking about this and don't even know what the deal is. People think that everyone's up in arms because the guy doesn't believe in same-sex marriage. Like it's been said, the guy is entitled to his own opinion. But the money we pay at his Chick-Fil-A (tired of typing, seeing, and hearing that name btw) restaurants are going to anti-gay organizations. THAT is the problem that most people aren't understanding. If the money were out of his own pocket, then that's another story. It's his money, do what you want with it. But it's not his money in this case. It's ours. And one might argue that it's not our money anymore once we hand it to that cashier, but we're contributing. Isn't that just as bad? So if you want to contribute to that and all, I won't stop you, though I will wonder how you can give your money to an establishment that will turn right back around and give it to a group that will use it to go against basic human rights. It is some damn good chicken though, sadly. But there are other places I can get food from.
Something else funny? In 40 years, these people are going to look so dumb. We look at our history books now and think "omg white only places?! that's not right!" and in the future, kids will look in their books and think "omg two men couldn't get married back then?! that's not right!" I hope to be around by then. |
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You can boycott and whatever, but that just doesn't give them more money. The money they've already made is still their's to use as they please because it's their's and not your's. Still, I'm not super familiar with all this. Is Chick-Fil-A anti gay marriage, anti gay rights in general, or entirely homophobic in general? |
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True, it's no longer our money, and as you correctly point out, we can refuse to give them our business if we don't like what they do with it. So then, why all the stories about this company? Simple. To provide information to people who might frequent these establishments so that they might better understand where the money they give to them goes and let them decide if they want to indirectly fund these anti-gay organizations. Quote:
Something to think about whenever you buy a chicken sandwich from that place. What effect might doing so have later on on a gay relative, or neighbour, or friend? |
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In addition, they donate to a group who spent money in support of the bill in Uganda that wants to make being gay punishable by death. That's what really pushed me over the edge on their policies to be honest.
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How is it a "Basic Human Right", if it was a basic human right then everyone should be able to get married, even children. To say it is a basic human right is even more obscure then even calling it a right, which marriage isn't. People are not entitled to marriage, it is a privilege, and quite frankly I wished it was more heavy regulated even between heterosexuals; maybe that would lower the divorce rate. Race and sexuality are not the same, there are big diferences, socially, and legally. (Court Classification) In this thread people keep saying "as long as they don't force there opinion" But what is wrong with forcing your opnion if you belive that is the right opinion. It happens all the time, if a state was to allow for gay marriage that would be forcing there opinion on the people of that state, it would be that, gay marriage is right. Teachers force their opinions on their students all the time. Depending on which subject it is, it is easier to get away with it. A debate is just one big struggle to force one opinion unto another one using logic, and truth. You can not even say that no opinion is right, or that this opinion is wrong, beaucse that would be your opinion and you would be forcing it. Even saing things like "as long as they don't force there opinion" is forcing your opnion on people who want to force there opinion; How ironic! |
It's not forcing a opinion. It's giving these people the rights that they, as human beings, deserve.
Then again, this is the US. The entire country was based upon a double standard from the start, so it's no surprise that we are disregarding the words 'all men are created equal' again. We've done it in the past, we're doing it now, and we'll do it in the future too. Anyway, as history shows, gays will eventually get the rights that they deserve, no, are entitled to. |
Why do they desire it, and why are they entitled to it. What have they done, what gives them this privilege. Marriage is not a right, this is a fact, if it is not given to other social groups, then it is not a right. How many ways does "marriage is not a right", does it have to be explained?
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Claiming that people have studied the "subject" of homosexuality and is still against same-sex marriage is a joke. They can only quote old testament scripture, which is a huge riot because in the new testament we're told to love one another. Marriage is in fact a right, people have the right to get married. When saying marriage is a privilege, you might as well be saying: breathing oxygen is a privilege. You are entitled to an opinion, you have a right to free speech and you have the privilege of being ignorant. Oh, and instead of funding anti-gay organizations, don't you think all the money would be better off helping America's debt? |
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http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=285374 I am not sure if you read those arguments, or if you are simply trying to ignore the truth. |
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Who said I meant marriage when I said human right? This place donates to other organizations that are against homosexual behavior in general. Places that believe in gay camps or gay counseling. They even donate to organizations that promote the execution of homosexuals. So before you even bring marriage into this, tell me. How is the right to live happily not a human right? Why should they have to be killed? Or have someone teach them how to "un-gay" themselves? These types of things are infringing on human rights. Zet already went into the marriage thing for me, so I'm not going to be redundant. Where did race come from? From my comparison of the 40 years ago thing? How are they not different? You don't choose your skin color, and you don't choose your sexuality. For a long time, an African American couldn't marry a caucasian, or at least the places they could marry were not plentiful. During this time, the places a man can marry a man are very limited. I will acknowledge that race and sexuality are very different, yes, but they are still very similar, especially in that it's not something you choose. I can't wrap my mind around "teachers are forcing their opinions on students." I just...I can't. What am I reading? So, when I start teaching, I'm going to be forcing my opinion on my students that 2 + 2 = 4? That's an opinion? The way the letter A sounds. That's an opinion? The history in my state of Alabama. That didn't happen? It's only my opinion? Well shoot, I better not get in this major. The teacher example makes no sense. At all. But you know, I'm done with this thread. I've had all I can take really. So this is it from me. |
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