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Hey, it looks like some store manager in New Hampshire wants to support a local gay pride parade. It's causing some mixed reactions since people like that he's pro-gay rights, but his franchise still sends its earnings to the people at the top.
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Everyone has their opinions, if it's not forced onto you, then move the hell on. |
Is this guy's comments his alone and do not reflect the individual views of the people who work at Chick-Fil-A?
Please answer this question for me. Do other people who work at that place share his views as well? |
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The thing is, the thing that people are upset about (or should limit themselves to being upset about) is that money from these businesses are going into politics. These politics are keeping same-sex marriage (and generally gay-friendly laws) from being legal. So this is forced on us. That's why we're upset. It's not because some guy doesn't like gay people. (We don't like that either, but we can deal with it.) It's because he's using lots of money to play politics against gay people. |
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Are there actually sources that show that he gives to this charity supporting the death penalty for gays, by the way? |
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And CFA has many wrongful termination suits that happen all the time for people who were fired for atheism or in the most recent case, to become a stay-at-home mother. Here's an older Forbes article about it, in case you were worried about bias against them considering all the drama now. Quote:
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I'm glad Americans are able to voice their opinions openly and freely, as the owner did. He has the right to say what he wants. Chick-Fil-A serves any and all customers regardless of his views. If you don't like his views and it makes you not want to eat there, then don't eat there. If you like the food and don't care about one man's opinion (that doesn't affect the business he created or how you are served food in said establishment), then go eat there if you want it.
If you're gay, you can go to Chick-Fil-A and be served the same as a straight person, so I see nothing wrong with one man's opinion. If he chooses to donate his money to anti-gay groups, then that's also his right and it's his money. If he donates money from the business to it, it's still his right because it's his business. Once again, if you don't like his views, how he runs the operation, or what money is given to what group, then don't support Chick-Fil-A. Go eat somewhere that donates money to pro-LGBT causes. As for them looking to hire people that share their values and beliefs, as long as they are not basing their hiring process solely on discrimination, I don't see how this is different than any other job. You wouldn't hire an atheist to work for the Family Christian Bookstore, you wouldn't hire someone that's anti-drug for a marijuana dispensary. If the hiring staff at Chick-Fil-A are looking for a set of values and standards when hiring, then they should be allowed that liberty. Once again, it's their business. They can choose who to hire. On the flip side of that, I won't condone firing anyone based on beliefs or values. A legitimate reason needs to be established for terminating employment. It's more frightening to me that a city can ban a company from establishing a legitimate business over it. This seems like a much greater violation of rights than a man voicing HIS opinion, especially if Chick-Fil-A handled all requirements and permits to build restaurants there. As for myself, I've never had Chick-Fil-A. I've heard it's good. |
You might not want to hire an atheist at a Christian bookstore, but you can't not hire them if that's your only reason not to hire them. Given Chick-Fil-A's history I think it's reasonable to make sure they are employing people in accordance to the law. You can't specifically hire/not hire people because you like their religious/moral views. Equal employment law:
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This is all, of course, only in the US. Dunno how things work specifically in other countries, or if Chick-Fil-A has stores in other countries. |
I don't know if he did say this but if he said that his stance against gay marriage is his alone and not those of the people who work in his franchises, this might not be much of a hellstorm as it has turned out to be.
We got more pressing issues to worry about than some dude who owns a bunch of chicken places who isn't a fan of gay marriage. |
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Edit: In addition, this is about more than his opinions and his words. It's about the money and where it ends up. Him clarifying that his company doesn't follow the same values (it does) wouldn't change anything. |
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I think at the small business level or the "mom & pop" shop, you should be able to hire whoever you want based on whatever reason. It's a tight space and you're going to interacting a lot - so you better like each other. We're not ganging up on local Chinese restaurants hiring predominately Chinese people. At the big box or brandname level though - yeah, I completely agree that the equal employment law should apply. So, it would in the case here, yeah. Quote:
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Here's where we differ. I think it is especially important that small businesses (regardless of size) shouldn't be exempt from anti-discrimination laws. Remember, a lot of those big box stores out there started off as "mom and pop" shops. At what point should those business owners then suddenly no longer be exempt? It's easier, and smarter, to make ALL businesses operate on a level playing field. No special considerations and no exemptions. If you come into a town or city and are unwilling to adhere to the laws of that town or city, then it's best that you move along. |
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PS. I will have you know that I got a 5 on the AP Test for Gov't/law and politics scoring in the top 10% of the country. If you don't believe me, I can take a picture of the letter I received, so please do not assume I do not know something, or that I am less intelligent just because I disagree with you. Quite frankly too many people do that, and it is very upsetting. Quote:
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Because I don't understand your statement either :/ |
I'm beginning to get very tired of the endless cycle of one person making ridiculous and unfounded arguments and then getting beat up on by the rest of the posters, STOP POSTING FOR THE 12th TIME, MOVE ON. Or I will start deleting posts and clamp down on this ridiculously annoying thread. No more.
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The kiss-in had less of a turn out than the Wednesday event.
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Of course. Are you really surprised? Proportionally, there's a lot less of us than there are of straights. And it should also be noted that in a lot of places, a good number of us are still not out for fear of retaliation by family members, co-workers, employers, or landlords. That does tend to keep participation levels low at public events like this.
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Hmm, after reading all of this, I can almost say that my opinion has altered a little.
I grew up with my father being gay, so please keep in mind that I'm trying not to let that cloud my judgement. While I applaud Chick-a-Fill for going with what they believe in, they should have known that something like this would occur, and that they'd most likely lose customers over it. I mean, they'd lose me as a customer, but that doesnt mean that I don't respect them in the sense that they had the guts (or overconfidence, but still. I don't know enough about the people in the company to say the ulterior motive behind the statement, despite the fact that we all are aware of their religious affiliation) to make a bold statement like that, despite the fact that it could possibly backfire. Chick-a-Fill's statement is sorta like a gay protest, or pride parade. They're just stating what they believe in. And as with gay pride and protests, there will always be people who disagree. My personal opinion is that if it makes their life happier, leave them be. I feel like if it made Chick-a-Fill as a whole company feel better by letting that off their chest, so be it. Sure, I won't eat there (to be honest I rarely do to this day, so its not much of a change) but I won't personally make a big deal out of it. Same with gays in general- I agree with them, but you won't see me making a big deal out of it. I wouldnt want to offend someone else that way. D: Its such a sticky topic that way. And truly, if I offended anyone, I really didnt mean to. |
So.... what is the resolution being sought?
Should the company (or the owner) apologize? Should the donations to whatever causes he donates too cease? Should the company just absolve? |
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