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Is there no end goal? Just going to be weekly kiss-ins on one side and appreciation days on the other side? |
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It was noted previously that the "kiss-in" drew in far fewer participants than the event organized to support Chick-Fil-A. And this is because we are a minority. Not only that, we are a suppressed and persecuted minority. We're shunned, beaten, raped, and killed because of who we are. And because of that persecution, only a small number of us dare to come out. If people would only wake up to realities of the discrimination we face every single day in every village, town, and city in the U.S, there'd be a lot less companies proudly shouting out their prejudice. |
Hey hey guys! I have an easy way to settle this! it's really easy, but listen closely
... ... ... If you hate Chik-a-Fil...don't eat there. Seriously, protest with your dollar. Let illiterate bigots support a hate spewing CEO. On the Flip side, and I said this as a gay man myself, Dan Cathy is speaking his mind. I don't like him because he's a more disgusting version of Rick Santorum, but this is his opinion. Yes his exact words were "we are inviting God's judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at Him and say, 'We know better than you as to what constitutes a marriage.' I pray God's mercy on our generation that has such a prideful, arrogant attitude to think that we have the audacity to define what marriage is about." And is anyone that surprised? Cathy is a super fundamentalist Christian who even makes sure the restaurant is closed on Sunday. Why is everyone so surprised by this? |
I don't see why people are against him using his money how he pleases. You work, you get wages, does your employer monitor what you buy? Does he say, no, you can't get that Pokemon game because it's lame? He earned his money, he can use it as he pleases.
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Like sex before marriage or work on Sundays or anything else, not every Christian is stuck in the 1940s. Most I have met aren't. God created the universe and Jesus was a cool guy. Everything else is superfluous. But if a private citizen or a private company wants to believe whatever they want to believe or support or whatever they want to support, they should be able to... with the obvious repercussions of that, especially if they put it out in the open, as we're seeing. Like... I will support your right to be a vile hateful idiot, even if I completely disagree with you - which is the case here. Private people and private organization can do whatever they want so long as it isn't illegal. By all means try to change them, but it so isn't going to happen. Quote:
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This would be a much easier battle if there were shareholders. They might pressure a leadership change. That's too bad. Is the making being gay illegal and the murder in Uganda claims legit? I'm not really following the story because we don't have these eateries here, so I don't care much... but whenever I see it mentioned in the media it's always just "He spoke out against gay marriage. Everyone else is now all huffy". The other stuff (which is horrible and a very valid reason for a boycott and force financial repercussions) I've only seen here. So, I'm somewhat suspicious. |
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He may own CFA, but if it's coming out of the company's money on the company's behalf, not his own, then it's not him. Quote:
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This thread's starting to get ratty. Again. Livewire's left a warning in here already and I'm about to leave another one - please think before posting. This is a bit heated, and I'm ok with that, but things have to stay respectful. I've warned people in this thread already and I won't hesitate to hand out infractions and close the whole thing if necessary. Please be sure to post respectfully or don't post at all before stuff gets out of hand, which would be a real shame since it's provoked some interesting discussion up to now.
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God is love, Jesus is love, the Holy Spirit is love, the Trinity is love. God is love, among other things. He is contradicting himself when he supports the killing of homosexuality, no, anyone, and when he isn't embracing any group of people. I am ashamed to call myself a Christian in front of the world and the Internet because of people like him. He is the minority - the majority of Christians are disgusted by him and people like him. It is a fact that we are, because whether you are Lutheran or Calvinist, Catholic or Protestant, if you have even read the Bible you should know that God loves the sinners, and that Jesus didn't hang out with the righteous people, but rather the prostitutes and the homeless and the downcasts of society. It's not just horrid, but absolutely confounding, confusing, crazy, outrageous, and wrong to support the killing of any group of people (much less the gays), especially if you're Christian. (To people who still want to read on:) Spoiler:
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It also isn't publicly traded. It is a privately held and family owned company. Cathy is CEO. Heck, they don't even franchise in the traditional way. They own most of their locations, which is not the case with McDonald's for example. It is his company and ultimately his money, not your money, or my money, or anyone else's. Once you have exchanged your hard earned cash for the chicken - the chicken is your's, and the money is their's. That is how the transaction works. It is your money until you give it to someone else. So, boycott so that you don't give him more. Makes perfect sense. But you don't really have a say in what they do with it once it is no longer your possession. Does that justify him? No, probably not. But it isn't your money. I wish people would freak out when their own money is misspent by elected officials rather than focus on what individuals do with their own money. If you're selling lemonade, and I've bought some from you and I'm a happy customer, you have that money. Then I find out, you're abusive to your dog. I don't come anymore because I don't want to support you further. But if you use the money gave you before to further punish your dog, well tough. I can't ask for my money back. |
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Also, Jesus hung out with sinners so that they could repent. Which is what some of Cathy's money goes to, the reformation of homosexuals as that's what he believes in. I would like to see evidence that he donates money to causes that kill people. |
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The wonderful thing about freedom of speech is that it works both ways. Legally, everybody has the right to say whatever they want. So yes, this company has every right to publicly oppose gay marriage. Then we, in turn, have every right to publicly lambast them as shameful bigots. That, my friends, is how it should be. It's where the real fun starts :P
Nobody should have their right to free speech legally stripped away. They should deal with the consequences in the public and social spheres; it's so much sweeter that way. I'd rather everything be out on the table so everybody knows exactly where everybody stands. I'd much rather Chick-Fil-A (or any company, for that matter) come forth and state they're against gay marriage rather than have them secretly be against gay marriage and be taking my money and using it to fund their world view. |
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But Cathy is not Jesus or God, so let the power of Christ compel them on their own. The only duty of the ones in Christ, no matter how rich or poor, sinful or holy, is to spread his word in the way that everyone can hear the joy of the gift of God's grace. There is no need to force them to reform; that is God's job, and tbh He does a much better job than Cathy or the (any, for that matter) organization ever will. You know not to mini-mod on PC, right? That is the same here. Press the "report" button and let whatever wrath you have fall in a fantasy that does not affect them. It seems to be working for me, at least. Spread the message, don't let it be held back. Tell the gays and pro-abortionists that they're loved on the same level that He loves the Pope, Martin Luther, Paul of Tarsus, and everyone else. No need to reform them; that's a sin in itself, to hurt others. Quote:
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Well I see all your points of view. Chick Fil A continue to present a friendly and excellent customer service whenever I go there and I hope they do not discriminate.
I've learned from your posts, the Christian posters anyway, not to judge/discriminate against others even if you do not agree with their lifestyle, which is a given anyway. |
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