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Volcanix769 November 21st, 2012 10:44 AM

Which Pokemon did you consider "useless" for journeys?
 
Now there are certain Pokemon you find useless to use in journeys of your playthroughs. But I don't mean those that have the same type/types of your team. I mean by a specific Pokemon.

For me, I consider Plusle and Minun. They are Electric types, yes, but their movepool along with horrible Defense makeup(mainly Plusle) makes it useless to use. Even Spinda or Kricketune. Not to mention Ditto.

PokemonGiratinaX November 21st, 2012 10:59 AM

And for me, I think it is a Dunsparce. It is a Normal-type and has a horrible speed including a bad movepool. I never use it on any Pokemon game.

Bounsweet November 21st, 2012 11:02 AM

I wanted to use Emolga in BW2, but after learning the only special Flying-type move is Air Slash through breeding, I thought it wasn't worth it.

Oryx November 21st, 2012 11:03 AM

This is game-specific, so I'm going to kick it over to the gaming section!

I loved Azurill's design but it was so weak when I tried to use it that I had to drop it. >_o

Sydian November 21st, 2012 11:08 AM

I typically don't like to have that thought, but I've gotten stuck with Delibird in like...three different challenges before and I've never used anything so bad. Even Unown was better. I also disliked using Zebstrika in my Hall of Fame challenge. It was horrible and didn't even KO anything, and Garbodor is also tied with it in that category, but at least Garbodor could poison stuff before he went down. Watchog did better than them. I am not kidding.

PlatinumDude November 21st, 2012 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Toujours (Post 7418014)
This is game-specific, so I'm going to kick it over to the gaming section!

I loved Azurill's design but it was so weak when I tried to use it that I had to drop it. >_o

You know that some Azurill have Huge Power to make up for their low Attack, right?

Anyway, Purrloin is useless, IMO. Its offenses are only average and its level-up movepool is pretty bad.

TwilightBlade November 21st, 2012 11:36 AM

I started using a Liepard but it became horribly useless by like, the second gym lol. Zebstrika was also a major pain to train. One would think that electric+fire would be good enough to keep the zebra around, but it dies against even the faintest of attacks.

Azumarill was a beast in my HGSS run, though.

alisaie November 21st, 2012 11:42 AM

If I put a Pokemon on my team it usually stays around until the end. That said, I never really had a Pokemon that was useless to me. Even Zebstrika had it's nice moments when it was on my team my first playthrough. I have switched Pokemon out but not because I have deemed them worthless (I'm pretty sure I would get killed if I called Lucario worthless) but that they just didn't suit my style or something.

That said, some of the Pokemon people have called worthless I have considered using for the hell of it, like Delibird, Dunsparce, etc etc.

Volcanix769 November 21st, 2012 2:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TwilightBlade (Post 7418054)
I started using a Liepard but it became horribly useless by like, the second gym lol. Zebstrika was also a major pain to train. One would think that electric+fire would be good enough to keep the zebra around, but it dies against even the faintest of attacks.

Azumarill was a beast in my HGSS run, though.

I used a Purrloin-Liepard in almost all of my journeys to get 8 badges in Pokemon Black. But when I last used her, she was used for battling Drayden. But since she was somewhat underleveled and was so weak, I gave up on her and got a Deino which is now a Hydreigon.

Same for Zebstrika, but I didn't replace him for Ampharos until like when I beat the Elite 4, I got Amphy from Pokemon Pearl. Azumarill is pretty strong if you keep Physical Attacks along with Huge Power.

Mr Cat Dog November 21st, 2012 2:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sydian (Post 7418024)
Even Unown was better.

I'm sorry, just... no. I can't deal with that. Mind = blown.

For me, both Zebstrika and Galvantula occupied that role when playing Black version. I needed an Electric Pokemon in my team, but both of these two were just so brittle. Two moves of virtually any type could knock them both out. I'd end up using Eelektross later in the game, but I really expected more from a cool electric zebra and spider!

SilverAbsol November 21st, 2012 2:29 PM

I once had a Poliwrath on my Soul Silver before. It was a perfect Poliwrath, in both natures and IVs, and this was something I caught as a Poliwag in the wild.
Never before has a Pokemon been so useless before. It baffled me how many times it lost to opponents it shouldn't have even worried about.

Then, in BW2, I had a Lucario. It had a worse knockout/knocked-out ratio than the Dewott I never evolved. I have begun to refer to all Pokemon like that as my Poliwrath.

Galoria November 21st, 2012 3:14 PM

Oh well, there are many usless Pokémon... But I like to assemble a team of cute Pokémon, even if they're usless or weak! xD
It makes challenge for me... So far, I never used a legendary to be honest except in my Red version to beat the Pokémon League!
For exemple, people will make evolve Pikachu, some of them will keep Pikachu, because it is cute.
First, my favorite Pokémon was Eevee, till Pearl and Diamond came out. Now it is Leafeon D:
Yeah...I used Eevee without using a stone to try to beat the Pokémon League...xD

Here are some I councider that I will never travel with them!



http://www.silver-islands.com/images/sprites/bw-ani/083farfetchd.gif http://www.silver-islands.com/images/sprites/bw-ani/132ditto.gifhttp://www.silver-islands.com/images/sprites/bw-ani/166ledian.gifhttp://www.silver-islands.com/images/sprites/bw-ani/201unown.gifhttp://www.silver-islands.com/images/sprites/bw-ani/206dunsparce.gifhttp://www.silver-islands.com/images/sprites/bw-ani/235smeargle.gifhttp://www.silver-islands.com/images/sprites/bw-ani/400bibarel.gifhttp://www.silver-islands.com/images/sprites/bw-ani/508stoutland.gifhttp://www.silver-islands.com/images/sprites/bw-ani/505watchog.gifhttp://www.silver-islands.com/images/sprites/bw-ani/313volbeat.gifhttp://www.silver-islands.com/images/sprites/bw-ani/314illumise.gifhttp://www.silver-islands.com/images/sprites/bw-ani/327spinda.gif
And the most powerful one....http://www.silver-islands.com/images/sprites/bw-ani/370luvdisc.gif

Simply because most of them are usless, and some of them are simply ugly! xD

272 November 21st, 2012 3:24 PM

its gotta be the rip off i got from the GTS wich was a magikarp >:I

sunshinesan November 21st, 2012 3:47 PM

I'm a fan of Umbreon, but it is very very very useless in a ingame run-through.

SamuJake November 21st, 2012 4:10 PM

Tentacools. I'm actually versing one right now on my Gameboy. But yeah Tentacools to me are useless.

Mononoke Hime November 21st, 2012 5:44 PM

For me, useless pokemon are pokemon that I consider UGLY.
Nuff said.

Hikamaru November 21st, 2012 6:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TwilightBlade (Post 7418054)
I started using a Liepard but it became horribly useless by like, the second gym lol. Zebstrika was also a major pain to train. One would think that electric+fire would be good enough to keep the zebra around, but it dies against even the faintest of attacks.

I agree with both Mr Cat Dog and TwilightBlade, I tried Zebstrika on my Black playthrough and even though I liked its design, it didn't live up to my expectations cos it kept falling after 2 hits every single time.

Same goes for Liepard, like what PlatinumDude and TwilightBlade said. It's just too brittle and its moves aren't all that great.

And I also agree with Galoria on Ledian, it's stats are amongst the worst for fully-evolved Bug-types. Unown only learns one move (and their only purpose is collecting all its forms) while Luvdisc has terrible stats and movepool, the only good thing about it is that they carry Heart Scales.

However, Smeargle is helpful for breeding movesets onto Field egg group Pokemon.

sunshinesan November 21st, 2012 7:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mononoke Hime (Post 7418457)
For me, useless pokemon are pokemon that I consider UGLY.
Nuff said.

Care to expound on that?
What pokemon do you consider ugly. It's what's inside that counts!(a.k.a. stats, movepool, lol)

The Grubby Pup November 21st, 2012 7:49 PM

Pokemon that needs stones to evolve. The hard part about this is...Keepin'em in their pre-evolutionary form, till you find a poweful enough attack: like Clefairy and Hyper Voice and making them evolve too earlier will result in them learning pretty much no extra move. I know they are TMs. But most good one can only be found around either the end of the game or as prizes for BP points and stuff.

Sydian November 21st, 2012 7:56 PM

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I'm a fan of Umbreon, but it is very very very useless in a ingame run-through.
wut. Am I the only person that can successfully use in-game Umbreon? lmao...On my last Black 2 playthrough, my Umbreon was MVP. ;(

Oh, and someone mentioned Smeargle earlier and I wanna agree with that as well. I LOVE Smeargle, don't get me wrong, but I just used one in a challenge and it just dragged the whole team down. It had its moments, but more often than not, it was a nuisance to the whole team. It has a niche in competitive play though, so at least it's not a total waste. Too bad it can't have Moody.

sunshinesan November 21st, 2012 8:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Sydian (Post 7418567)
wut. Am I the only person that can successfully use in-game Umbreon? lmao...On my last Black 2 playthrough, my Umbreon was MVP. ;(

Oh, and someone mentioned Smeargle earlier and I wanna agree with that as well. I LOVE Smeargle, don't get me wrong, but I just used one in a challenge and it just dragged the whole team down. It had its moments, but more often than not, it was a nuisance to the whole team. It has a niche in competitive play though, so at least it's not a total waste. Too bad it can't have Moody.

Umbreon is slow and weak offensively. It has a terrible offensive movepool and poor coverage. In gamewise, you pretty much want the exact opposite. Fast and Strong offensively so you're not prancing around every wild pokemon just to level up. This is why pokes like Archeops are so good, and great pokemon competitivewise that depends on stalling or other non offensive strategies like Ferrowthorn, Umbreon, etc. are very low tiered.

Pvt Tamama November 21st, 2012 8:42 PM

i think the starters are useless i ditch them right after the first gym most of the time and any pokemon on the first few routes most of the time they seem weak or just get in the way eventually and zubats!

Sydian November 21st, 2012 9:12 PM

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Umbreon is slow and weak offensively. It has a terrible offensive movepool and poor coverage. In gamewise, you pretty much want the exact opposite. Fast and Strong offensively so you're not prancing around every wild pokemon just to level up. This is why pokes like Archeops are so good, and great pokemon competitivewise that depends on stalling or other non offensive strategies like Ferrowthorn, Umbreon, etc. are very low tiered.
Err, yeah, I know how to play the game. Speaking of Ferrothorn, I did fine with that in-game as well. You can use whatever you want in-game and of course, it's not gonna work for everyone, but it might work for someone else. I mentioned Zebstrika being awful and I remember reading a post once where someone enjoyed using it. Different strokes for different folks.

Zapperz November 21st, 2012 10:24 PM

I used Umbreon countless of times and its wonderful.

anyway, Mine has to be Zebstrika. Its moves are.. okay..? But I remember playing a friend's game in the past and it kept on getting OHKOed most of the time..

Brendino November 21st, 2012 10:41 PM

Hmm... I had moderate success with Zebstrika (being that, it was on my team from the moment I caught it right through to the Elite Four). It wasn't the best, but it was a solid 5th-6th member in my party.

Personally, I always found the early game rodent Pokemon to be pretty useless (Rattata, Sentret, Zigzagoon, Bidoof, Patrat). They might add a little depth to your team to start off, but I was never able to use them much further than the first or second gym before they became a hinderance to my team.

Synerjee November 21st, 2012 11:10 PM

I haven't exactly used any Pokemon that have become a hindrance for my team, but if I had to choose, it would have to be grass-types. I've used grass-types such as Bellsprout in GSC before and in time found them to be quite not what I had in mind for a good team. Since I focus more on all-out powerful, fast, offensive Pokemon and grass-types aren't what you'd call offensive - they play more of supporter roles, they did little to help me. This is what I think.

Volcanix769 November 22nd, 2012 4:36 AM

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Originally Posted by synerjee (Post 7418743)
I haven't exactly used any Pokemon that have become a hindrance for my team, but if I had to choose, it would have to be grass-types. I've used grass-types such as Bellsprout in GSC before and in time found them to be quite not what I had in mind for a good team. Since I focus more on all-out powerful, fast, offensive Pokemon and grass-types aren't what you'd call offensive - they play more of supporter roles, they did little to help me. This is what I think.

Bellsprout was suckish in the earlier Gens. Grass Types were very weak at the time, lack of moves, Giga Drain was very weak and had little HP yet a lot use it. My team consists to good Pokemon with a good enough speed and movesets. But in Wi-Fi battles, I use a range, it doesn't matter by speed.

sunshinesan November 22nd, 2012 6:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Sydian (Post 7418656)
Err, yeah, I know how to play the game. Speaking of Ferrothorn, I did fine with that in-game as well. You can use whatever you want in-game and of course, it's not gonna work for everyone, but it might work for someone else. I mentioned Zebstrika being awful and I remember reading a post once where someone enjoyed using it. Different strokes for different folks.

Well the game is easy enough that thankfully use your favorites, bar things like Delibird. Doesn't discount the fact that Umbreon is pretty bad relatively no matter how you slice it.

Bounsweet November 22nd, 2012 7:06 AM

I don't have any specific Pokemon in mind, but usually if they can't learn any HMs and have a pretty poor movepool then I won't bother with them. Also if the stats aren't up to par then it's questionable, I'm trying to use Delcatty on my post-E4 White 2 team but... if you know Delcatty's stats then you know my predicament lol.

Oh oops already posted in this thread ;( Ah well at least I added some.

Volcanix769 November 22nd, 2012 7:44 AM

I swear Zebstrika is so weak and I hated his movesets. And Ferrothron is strong though, I used him in Random Matchup and his Curse and Leech Seed attack makes him more difficult to defeat. EV trained him in Attack and Defense.

Legobricks November 22nd, 2012 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Toujours (Post 7418014)
I loved Azurill's design but it was so weak when I tried to use it that I had to drop it. >_o

Azurill itself is difficult to work with at first, but it has great potential assuming it has Huge Power. My Azumarill is the single greatest member of my Black 2 team. Not even other Water-types are safe after a couple of Work Ups, and she has great survivability with naturally high HP and Leftovers + Aqua Ring.


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Originally Posted by PokemonGiratinaX (Post 7418009)
And for me, I think it is a Dunsparce. It is a Normal-type and has a horrible speed including a bad movepool. I never use it on any Pokemon game.

If you only value speed and offence, that is unfortunate. It gets a variety of moves which compliment its relatively high HP stat.


Being slow and bulky is not to be underestimated!
I don't consider anything useless.

LeooUndead November 22nd, 2012 6:53 PM

I used a Ariados is a run of HG one time, sucks so badly, i would try as hard as i vould to get it in battles but its only half decent use was poisoning cause of its terrible movepool, i had a Sunflora on the same team with it and no lie it was 10x more useful than the ariados.
I also consider Foretress extremely useless in game. No decent moves, only good defensively, I was so bored and annoyed with it i traded in a Vibrava before the elite four to take its place.
Emolga, Swoobat, and Maractus have to be the most useless gen 5. I thought with emolga being so rare it would be worth training, but it has no use, only good speed but that didn't matter cause of the defence. Swoobat, used that in the frst play of Black. Didn't do anything, i replaced it with Mandibuzz late game, just as worthless.

PiemanFiddy November 22nd, 2012 6:58 PM

Ditto. Apart from breeding, it can only learn one move, and it's not even that good unless the Pokemon you're transforming into has a move that's effective against itself.

'nuff said. :P

Volcanix769 November 22nd, 2012 7:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LeooUndead (Post 7419377)
I used a Ariados is a run of HG one time, sucks so badly, i would try as hard as i vould to get it in battles but its only half decent use was poisoning cause of its terrible movepool, i had a Sunflora on the same team with it and no lie it was 10x more useful than the ariados.
I also consider Foretress extremely useless in game. No decent moves, only good defensively, I was so bored and annoyed with it i traded in a Vibrava before the elite four to take its place.
Emolga, Swoobat, and Maractus have to be the most useless gen 5. I thought with emolga being so rare it would be worth training, but it has no use, only good speed but that didn't matter cause of the defence. Swoobat, used that in the frst play of Black. Didn't do anything, i replaced it with Mandibuzz late game, just as worthless.

I don't agree with Forretress. Its Bug Bite attack(the only good Bug Type attack it can get of his moveset) is very good. Its low speed gives its Gyro Ball attack massive power towards fast opponents.

It sets out good entry hazards like Spikes and Stealth Rock. Its very sturdy with Defense, good with Attack along with its Light Screen and Reflect walls. Vibrava doesn't make much a difference if you replaced it. You should've kept Forretress and don't judge it for its Speed and learnset when you got a powerhouse.

Ariados isn't that bad considering the learnset and stats. Yes Swoobat is annoying and useless and the others you mentioned.

Don Bastio November 22nd, 2012 8:28 PM

magikarp lol i think that's the point to get you to evolve it. it doesn't help that gyarados had flying tacked on to it when it can only learn 1 flying type move, its just more vulnerable to electric attacks.

AllyJacqui November 22nd, 2012 9:55 PM

Dunsparce. I didn't even know that thing existed until recently. It's useless, and i'd never have on on my team. Ever.

Pinta77 November 22nd, 2012 11:16 PM

I'd have to say unown and that spiny ear pichu. I love the spiny pichu, but as far as I know the stats aren't great and you cant transfer it into gen 5.

ahmet476 November 24th, 2012 12:27 PM

I usually check pokémon on bulbapedia before deciding to use it because I haven't watched all of the anime and don't have much info about newer pokémon. I always stay away from anything that has a 4x weakness. Shellos is an example. It's evolved form Gastrodon might be strong but gets OHKOed by almost any grass attack.

Mononoke Hime November 24th, 2012 7:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sunshinesan (Post 7418548)
Care to expound on that?
What pokemon do you consider ugly. It's what's inside that counts!(a.k.a. stats, movepool, lol)

Sometimes I don't like a pokemon design but like thier idea origin or something like that, then I start to like it.
But really even if a pokemon have massive stats and awesome movepool I simply can't use it because I don't like it. s:

Pokemon I consider the most ugly:
Marmatinian family, Amoongus family, Mr Mime, Porygon family, Jynx, Magmortar, Heatran, Rhyperior, Hippowdon, Hariyama, Pinsir, Qwilfish, Nosepass family, Azumarill family, Lickilicky, Loudred, Drownzee, Pignite, Emboar... Yup, I guess they're the pokemon that would never exist in my team and neither any of my boxes.

The Charizard November 24th, 2012 7:57 PM

Magcargo. I thought it was a pretty cool poke but i was wrong. One of the worst fire types after Flareon.

Sassy Milkshake November 24th, 2012 9:34 PM

Every time I got a free Eevee I boxed it. Stones were hard to come by in Johto and the other times it took awhile to learn any moves that weren't normal or Bite.

RockManFan November 26th, 2012 2:31 PM

Zubat. Though that may just be because I get so tired of fighting a billion zubats in every cave. I have been thinking about trying a Team Rocket play through of Blue though. (Rattata, Koffing, Ekans, Zubat, etc.)

Heracles4 November 29th, 2012 9:13 PM

I caught a ralts and I evolved it to Kirlia, and at that point, even weaker attacks would WHKO her...and she was the strongest pokemon on my team >.> (Sapphire)

Haza November 30th, 2012 4:41 AM

Before I knew anything about competitive strategies and all of that jazz, I found Smeargle to be the weakest gimmick of all time. That and Ditto.

DowntownDumpling December 28th, 2012 8:29 AM

I actually find the Ralts family to be pretty useless. I tried to finish a single-Pokemon playthrough of Emerald with only a Gardevoir, but it learns NOTHING but Psychic-type attacks when leveling up and isn't compatible with that many TMs, plus its Defense and regular Attack are pretty bad. I had to renege and keep my Torchic in my party (which I eventually had to level up to a Blaziken because there were so many Dark-type Pokemon [and other strong ones for which Gardevoir wouldn't cut it] that I had to fight over the course of the game).

The Snivy family would also work. A garbage movepool is acceptable for a pretty weak Pokemon overall, but not for a starter.

Same with the Ponyta family (again, movepool - this also goes for many other Fire- and Electric-type Pokemon), most Ground/Rock Pokemon (Water- and Grass-type attacks are an obvious choice and quite common, plus most Ground/Rock-types have awful Special Defense), and all of the final dragon families (Dratini, Larvitar, etc. - they're strong, but not that strong considering how long they take to level up and evolve).

There are some Pokemon I found to be criminally overlooked, though, and very useful to me, such as Electabuzz (even before being an Electivire), Jynx, Porygon2, Dusclops, Poliwrath, Butterfree (most people seem to ditch it after beating Brock in Kanto if they picked Charmander), Claydol, Lapras, Scrafty, and Heracross.

It seems like the only Pokemon anyone uses competitively anymore are starters, legal legendaries (birds, dogs, Regis, etc.), final dragons, Milotic, Gengar, Staraptor, Machamp, Steelix, and Gardevoir. Kind of annoying, really.

Captain Gizmo December 28th, 2012 9:30 AM

I would say Ditto. Unless you're planning to EV train it's HP, anything you do to train it will be pretty much useless since it copies every single stat of the other Pokemon except for the HP.

Pinkie-Dawn December 28th, 2012 9:49 AM

Because I usually decide which Pokemon to use for my team based on the internet, the only I used in-game I would considered not worthy of use are Liepard and Unfezant. Liepard's level-up movepool stinks, as well as its frailness, and Unfezant doesn't learn any good physical Flying moves that isn't Fly.

Arlo December 28th, 2012 6:27 PM

I'm hard-pressed to think of any pokemon that are simply useless. There are many that struggle a bit, mostly due to low stats, poor movepools or both - Plusle and Minun, Ledian, Spinda, Purrloin.... But even those aren't entirely useless - they're just a bit tougher to work with. There are others that can be sort of useless in battle - like Ditto or Smeargle - but are immensely useful in other ways. I like to figure out ways to use the unlikely ones, and generally can find a way, and when it works out, I actually much prefer using them - ubers are boring. Yeah - there are some who are so poor that I don't want to invest the necessary time and effort to get something out of them, but that doesn't mean that they're useless - just that I'm not that interested in using them at the moment.

And that said, some of the answers here have really surprised me - a few pokemon mentioned who are quite decidedly anything BUT useless - but... I should just leave it at that.

Polizard December 29th, 2012 5:28 AM

For me there are no real useless Pokemon if you have some skill a little patience and a dash of luck, any Pokemon can be useful, there are however Pokemon that i consider bad. I have decided to list the top 5 bad Pokemon below:

Snivy evolutionary line, now i am a big fan of the theory that starter Pokemon have to be in your team at least until you become champion of the region and until generation 5 i have found that every starter Pokemon even Meganium (I hate Meganium) have been able to stand on there own and generally fight Pokemon 2-3 levels higher than them and usually win. Now I have started the game with Snivy and found it to be the worst starter Pokemon in Pokemon history. It is just bad especially early in game.

Purrloin evolutionary line, what a useless Pokemon, I have used this Pokemon 3 times and It is just bad it gets beaten by almost everything it is just no good, I do not recommend it to anyone.

Hoppip evolutionary line, Now this is a Pokemon i have given numerous chances to cause im not going to lie i kinda for some unknown reason find it cute, however this evolutionary line is just bad even at its finally stage it has mediocre stats which I could tolerate but throw in a a mediocre move pool and that to me equals bad Pokemon.

Miltank, I find this Pokemon not only bad but annoying, i think there is something in the games code that makes Whitney's Miltank really strong and hard to beat but any Miltank in your possession utterly useless i have used this Pokemon a few times in the past and i follow the same basic idea of Whitney, Attract, Rollout, Body Slam and Toxic. and despite having good stats it just does not hold up against other Pokemon.

Kricketot evolutionary line,enough said really just a bad Pokemon in general

Arlo~ December 29th, 2012 5:53 AM

I don't really have one. Used to be Zubat, but then I actually tried using him, and he's become the main asset of my team! Now a Crobat!

DowntownDumpling December 30th, 2012 5:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Polizard (Post 7460047)
Miltank, I find this Pokemon not only bad but annoying, i think there is something in the games code that makes Whitney's Miltank really strong and hard to beat but any Miltank in your possession utterly useless i have used this Pokemon a few times in the past and i follow the same basic idea of Whitney, Attract, Rollout, Body Slam and Toxic. and despite having good stats it just does not hold up against other Pokemon.

Many have complained about this, and I am no exception. I suspect that the discrepancy between Whitney's Miltank and any Miltank that one is likely to have at any given time arises from the fact that Whitney's is probably by a wide margin the most powerful Pokemon introduced by that point, in terms of both level and stats, but by the time one is able to get one's own Miltank, it's not at that high a level, more powerful Pokemon are available, and it grows slowly in terms of EXP.

BanditThePikachu December 30th, 2012 10:11 PM

I'd say Ditto. It's really only useful for breeding.

DowntownDumpling December 31st, 2012 11:36 PM

Oh, and I'd like to add Unown to my list. I've just never gotten their appeal, beyond arranging them in your party or Boxes to spell out curse words or your name.

ranso33 January 1st, 2013 9:08 AM

Certainly, whithout a doubt its Unown. And to remember the countless hours I spend trying to get them all, thinking I would gain something, is just to painfull.

I agree with you. I never did any of that and it was never a problem. I know how to do it but I just don't bother. I have already won tournaments (PvP) and I can tell that the only thing that really matters is having a good team with advantages over all kinds.

pikakitten January 1st, 2013 9:28 AM

At one point as a child I was trying to catch all the unown but they're not really useful in journeys just for collection which I now find twisted as I have grown with age, 6 pokemon, no more xD

Schwan January 1st, 2013 9:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sunshinesan (Post 7418362)
I'm a fan of Umbreon, but it is very very very useless in a ingame run-through.

When I went through Black 2 I IV bred and EV trained a physical attacking Umbreon in Platinum to test it out throughout a story, and it actually was pretty good. I move tutored it Sucker Punch, (didn't even know about Curse til later) and Secret Power, and it actually beat alotta guys for me. I was thrilled! I'm actually planning on making a new one with the moveset Curse, Sucker Punch, Swagger and another physical dark attack, or Secret Power again, because I absolutely love that attack.

bolter1 January 2nd, 2013 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by sunshinesan (Post 7418887)
Well the game is easy enough that thankfully use your favorites, bar things like Delibird. Doesn't discount the fact that Umbreon is pretty bad relatively no matter how you slice it.

In Colosseum, I kept Umbreon on my team the entire game despite "better" pokemon being available like the Legendary Beasts, the Johto starter, Hariyama, Ampharos, Quagsire, Medicham, Flygon, Heracross, etc, but he was my strongest and most reliable team member.
I find pokemon with low stats and bad movepools to be hard to use (I wouldn't call any pokemon useless); Pokemon such as Liepard (ditched it before it even evolved), Kriketune and Butterfree. I noticed that a lot of people seem to be calling the more defense-oriented pokemon useless which I find strange as they're the ones that pull me through when my sweepers fail,which happens often enough since they have poor HP and Defenses. I just want to ask: are you sure it's the pokemon and not you?

katiekun11 January 2nd, 2013 4:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Toujours (Post 7418014)
This is game-specific, so I'm going to kick it over to the gaming section!

I loved Azurill's design but it was so weak when I tried to use it that I had to drop it. >_o

Really? I always picked up an Azurill as soon as I could, since I flew through Emerald with it... it literally blew Tate & Liza out of the water & I basically just crashed through the Elite 4 with it & Glailie as a team!

Most useless pokemon, to me, is slakoth. & its' evolutions.

bwburke94 January 3rd, 2013 2:13 PM

In Generations I and III, Magikarp/Gyarados. Not getting any physical STAB (other than possibly Hidden Power in Gen III) ruins that big attack stat, not to mention those first 15-19 levels you need to switch-train it through.

In Generation V, Deino/Zweilous/Hydreigon. I prefer to bring six level 60 Pokemon into Victory Road, not five.

Cerberus87 January 3rd, 2013 6:24 PM

Gyarados was boss in 1st gen. Dragon Rage early on made it incredibly easy to train, and it could have a lot of Special moves which ran off a decent Special stat. 2nd gen ruined it, 3rd gen gave it a little back, and 4th gen turned it into an awesome powerhouse. Really, in HGSS, the red Gyarados will get you through the game without problems.

Purrloin was one of the worst Pokémon I raised. Weak and dies easily.

Zubat is also a pain to raise until it learns Wing Attack right before it evolves.

scprepschool January 3rd, 2013 7:10 PM

I dont think i have ever trained a
ditto
Delibird
Spinda
Kricketot/bidoof
foongus

Miss Anne Thrope January 12th, 2013 7:15 AM

Liepard. I wanted to like it, but in the playthrough of Pokemon Black, I just couldn't take it being defeated by two hits.
With the right training, moves and nature it would be a good Pokemon. But not for playing a game, where it was the first Pokemon I had set for my permanent team (ditched my starter) it wasn't good.

cloud354 January 19th, 2013 11:27 AM

I've never trained a spinarak, or a ledyba. I'm sure they could be good in the right hands, but their not my thing.

XtinaIsMeLuvinWWE January 21st, 2013 8:51 AM

I generally keep people on my team, I once got an Azurill just cause I LOVE its design and wanted to use it as my water type, but it didn't work out haha :)

On the other hand, what I thought was going to be weak but I was determined to try anyways (Minun) ended up helping me defeat the Elite Four lol :D

wygar January 25th, 2013 1:34 PM

well i won't count the obviously useless ones like unown and stuff because i don't think most ppl actually expect them to be usable.
but the two i always wanted to use and ended up dragging my team every single time were hoothoot and spinarak.
i really like those pokemon (especially spinarak) but it's like you either give them competitive movesets PLUS good natures PLUS ev training which = unreasonable for in-game purposes or they will absolutely ALWAYS feel underwhelming by mid-game standards.
and this is coming from someone who likes challenges and actually managed to hax the E4 and champion (lance, which means 3 haxonites) to death with an underlevelled dunsparce, so... yeah, those two guys are that bad.

Theory_ January 26th, 2013 7:12 AM

Caterpie and weedle.
Even evolved they are useless

ProfessorJoltz February 4th, 2013 11:50 AM

Emolga/Pachirisu. Two pokemon that have terrible stats, and no evolution to make up for this. If GameFreak made an evo for them however, then I would consider using them.

lineofdeath February 4th, 2013 12:20 PM

I rater dislike therian landorus, I am using one in white 2 and it is totally worthless
I can't wait for earthquake.

Sweets Witch February 4th, 2013 3:34 PM

Gligar in GSC. It's introduced really, REALLY late and it's just not worth it at that point. I wouldn't even want to use one closer to the beginning of the game because its only attacking move is Poison Sting until level 20.

Clark February 4th, 2013 5:08 PM

I think Eevee takes the cake for me. I make it a point to evolve mine as soon as possible, and if I can't evolve it in the foreseeable future it sits in my PC until I can. It's just utterly incapable of dealing damage, and the longer it stays unevolved the more decent STAB moves it misses out on. I learned the hard way, trying to keep an Eevee on an even level with the rest of my team until I could evolve it into a Glaceon in Platinum. By the time I reached the Ice Rock it was Level 40-something, lacked any Ice-Type attacks, and was ultimately pretty pathetic. (Though I will admit unevolved Eevees have helped me beat Morty and Fantina on multiple occasions!)

I've actually managed to use things like Delibird and early-game Normal-Types in game effectively, though, along with defensive Pokemon that specialize in stalling like Bronzong and Cotton Guard + Leech Seed Whimsicott.

Master Magikarp February 4th, 2013 7:54 PM

Farfetch'd, Sunkern, and Magikarp. (Also Smeargle.)
In all seriousness most if not all bug types are worthless for my journey.

charcharx3 February 4th, 2013 7:58 PM

For me, the only useless pokemon are those that aren't cute. I love my cute pokemon.

But oh...azurill...In Black 2, I caught you, because you were so cute, but you fainted so many times...

Fransferdy February 5th, 2013 10:53 AM

Pokémon that does not evolve two times or(exception to Growlith), or that does not evolve at all.

lineofdeath February 5th, 2013 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Fransferdy (Post 7525029)
Pokémon that does not evolve two times or(exception to Growlith), or that does not evolve at all.

Scizor, ninetails, volcarona and all the ledgendarys are mad at you.

But seriously, ariados dissapointed me for such a badass look.

atomtanned February 5th, 2013 4:19 PM

I agree with those here who have said that they don't really find any Pokemon totally useless. There are definitely some that I wouldn't use in battles with friends, maybe, but with the right strategy almost any Pokemon can be dangerous!

I also don't stick with a set team -- I flip Pokemon in and out to suit me, which means I progress veeeerrrrryyyy slowly through games because I usually train up most of my Pokemon evenly. A bit obsessive, but it's always fun to do an E4 run with totally random, unexpected Pokemon. I get bored using the standard powerhouses all the time, especially on second or third play through.

I dislike Bug/Grass types more than any other, though -- idk if I'm just not good at strategizing with them or what, but they always are more difficult for me to use than other types.

KingSquirtle February 8th, 2013 5:38 AM

My zebstrika was my main second in white lol it died easily I guess but I used him up until I got axew. He was good for the fire and electric. I planned on using galvantula as my electric but my brother had one so I wanted to be different. But after Bryce or whatever his name is I did box it lol. As for useless Pokemon... There are a lot. But something I would call useless if I absolutely had to is... Burmy. I hate this guy and the fact I would have to train and evolve two separate ones in order to complete my pokedex makes me hate it more.

roosterman February 10th, 2013 2:13 PM

lets see
ditto, unknown, bidoof, slaking, wynaut and wobbuffet are sadly useless for anything other then competitive play. pretty much anything that is incapable of being a sweeper at all is kind of useless in game just cause they run out of HP after 3 or so battles.

27thColt February 24th, 2013 7:31 PM

To be honest,I used a Jolteon and a Fearow in SoulSilver.I loved those pokemon,byt they were hard to train.Especially when my team is underleveled.

theSyko501 February 25th, 2013 12:49 AM

The lady bug pokemon i just hate. I used them once in XD on game cube and quickly realized they were trash.

LHT February 28th, 2013 2:49 PM

Spinda, Slakoth, Dunsparce, Spinarak, and usually the 'squirrel lines' of each generation, like Bidoof, Zigzagoon and stuff.

Cossolotto32 March 29th, 2013 12:32 AM

Unfortunately one of my favorite pokemon-Beedrill. He seems like a great idea until you hit about the fourth gym. Then the killer bee gets KO'd by almost anything :(

Cooltrainer Ashley Rose April 5th, 2013 1:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Volcanix769 (Post 7417989)
Now there are certain Pokemon you find useless to use in journeys of your playthroughs. But I don't mean those that have the same type/types of your team. I mean by a specific Pokemon.

For me, I consider Plusle and Minun. They are Electric types, yes, but their movepool along with horrible Defense makeup(mainly Plusle) makes it useless to use. Even Spinda or Kricketune. Not to mention Ditto.

I agree. Others: In ag, the pokemon that don't evolve.
Plusle, Minun, Roselia, Volbeat, Illumise. (i wanted to have evolutions when I play.)

Akiba April 5th, 2013 1:28 PM

Some are even more useless. Shuckle and Dunsparce, for example. Although Shuckle is good for competition in some cases, ironically.

Hmm...

I can say Farfetch'd, Delibird, Sableye, Mawile, and Luvdisc as well.

Rothalack April 16th, 2013 10:34 AM

Magikarp. so... worthless.. sounds retarded too. all around badie

BraveNewWorld April 16th, 2013 2:58 PM

It'd be easier to identify the Pokemon worth using. ;)

Seriously, there's a lot of poor Pokemon, I don't even know where to start.

andromeda April 17th, 2013 1:39 AM

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Originally Posted by PokemonGiratinaX (Post 7418009)
And for me, I think it is a Dunsparce. It is a Normal-type and has a horrible speed including a bad movepool. I never use it on any Pokemon game.

Me too don't like dunsparce because it is useless.

T!M April 17th, 2013 3:08 AM

Magikarp and Caterpie are ones that come to mind.

Magikarp takes to long to train and it's time and EXP that could be saved for MVPs on your team. Caterpie because, even as Butterfree, he's not very useful.


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