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blue December 16th, 2012 4:47 PM

Hoenn Remake or Kanto Remake?
 

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With both Hoenn and Kanto (Re-release) coming out around the same time, people could argue why both are in need of a remake but that's not what I'm talking about.
Which would you prefer to see remade, Hoenn or Kanto? Assuming that they were on the 3DS you could imagine that both would look spectacular in their own way. Note that this is not a thread to discuss RSE/FRLG remakes, just a general poll of which you would prefer in terms of graphics etc.

Volcanix769 December 16th, 2012 5:01 PM

Hoenn should get its spotlight. Kanto is in almost every generation, so it's a bit too much. I don't think that they would do that since it's been in GSC, R/B/Y/G, HG/SS and its remake: FireRed and LeafGreen. Hoenn is only at the 3rd Gen which is barely sponsored at the others, so they should remake it and add enhanced qualities of it. The graphics could look good when we see that big building where the player is in the Devon Company or the boat as well. Also the sea, since of how vast it is.

Captain Gizmo December 16th, 2012 5:06 PM

Hoenn. The landscape of Hoenn was far more superior than Kanto. And getting to see Hoenn in a 3D-ish.. kind of perspective would be just amazing to see.

We saw what they made with Johto with the gen IV graphics, now just imagine Hoenn with the Gen V graphics. It would be mind blowing.

curiousnathan December 16th, 2012 5:08 PM

I'm getting quite tired of Kanto. And naturally, Hoenn has not had nearly enough attention and pampering compared to Kanto, so I think it's only time that it's brought into the spotlight. Also, I've never gotten to play any of the game situated in Hoenn much, so for me, I'd definitely love to see Hoenn get remade so I can experience a new journey.

Killjoy December 16th, 2012 6:37 PM

I would say Hoenn, but I would buy both lol I didn't play the Kanto Remakes, so really the last game centered in Kanto would be Yellow..

But I still think Hoenn would be the way to go. I would love to see that

Sassy Milkshake December 16th, 2012 8:07 PM

I'd really hate to see another game with Kanto. That being said, if they actually made a Kanto remake, I'd still buy it. ;P

Sarah Morgan December 16th, 2012 8:27 PM

I REALLY hated all the tedious surfing in Hoenn, but I'd like to see what justice the Gen V graphics would bring to it.

The only reason I would be for a Kanto remake is the Sevii Islands

Sydian December 16th, 2012 8:53 PM

oh my gosh do we really need this topic.............

Sick of Kanto. It's smelly. Tired of it. Bored. Hoenn deserves the spotlight.

Xander Olivieri December 16th, 2012 8:58 PM

I would rather Kanto doing it. Its a new frontier why not start with the region that started it all. Get its full story into the 3D environment and give it 3D CG videos like how HG/SS/B/W/B2/W2 had them. Then release Hoenn remakes after testing since Hoenn wasn't as popular a series due to it being on a mildly bad system.

Only reason Hoenn sold bad was cause of the GBA. SP started to save sales, but not well enough.

Cinnabar December 16th, 2012 9:19 PM

Call me a criminal, but I'd love to see a Kanto remake. Nothing against Hoenn, but I just really didn't find it very... Standout-ish, aside from the torturous amounts of water routes, it wasn't very special to me. And plus, I think that it'd only be fitting that Kanto see's the first 3DS Pokemon RPG title.

Turboblaze December 16th, 2012 10:34 PM

I'd love to see a gen 5 or 6 Kanto on the DS but I think Hoenn should definitely come first. Sure 3rd gen wasn't the greatest but I think with all the new mechanics that have been introduced in recent games, Hoenn remakes could be way better than they originally were.

Brendino December 16th, 2012 10:52 PM

The only way that I'd want to see another Kanto-based game before a Hoenn remake would be if it was placed many years after the events of the originals (and remakes). Considering HG/SS (with Kanto) was released internationally in 2010 compared to nearly eight years for Emerald, I think that Hoenn is long overdue.

skyluigi2 December 17th, 2012 1:34 AM

I love Hoenn; it's probably my favourite region.
So yes, especially after just having Kanto in HG/SS, I'd love to see a Hoenn remake.

PokemonMasters December 17th, 2012 2:20 AM

I want a Hoenn Remake. I'm soooo tired of Kanto. Too much Kanto remakes. Hoenn deserves to be beautiful. And I don't really care about the water. Hoenn is a tropical region and I live on a freakin island :3 If Hoenn gets a remake I'm sure it'll be 75% more popular then it is now. The only reason it looked ugly was because it was Gamefreak's first games on GBA. Hence why Firered/Leafgreen Looks better.

Haza December 17th, 2012 2:39 AM

I wouldn't mind either, because thinking of Kanto in new graphics gets me a bit excited, but there is no question that Hoenn would be more appreciated. Maybe they'll combine them for FIRE RUBY or something.

PlatinumDude December 17th, 2012 9:21 AM

I'd be happy to see a Hoenn remake in the next year or so; Kanto has been remade twice already.

Shiny Celebi December 17th, 2012 10:00 AM

I have to say, please no Kanto. We've had enough Kanto for quite a while and Im hoping we wont see another Kanto game or Kanto featured in any way until the 20th anniversery of Pokemon. Hoenn needs more exposure, I think Ruby and Sapphire need to be remade next. Im not opposed to a Kanto game on the 3DS but Ruby and Sapphire needs to be first.

Pinkie-Dawn December 17th, 2012 10:28 AM

Let's see the possible benefits for both region remakes: physical/special split from Gen IV, cross-gen evolutions from Gen II and IV (and possibly Gen VI) added to the dex, unlimited use of TMs from Gen V, return of Voltorb Flip from HG/SS, retweaked gym leader/Elite Four roster, and revamped post-game features. Sadly, I see Kanto remakes making more sense because the story issues for the R/S remakes, since Emerald is considered to be the true story of Gen III. Plus, who is going to be the champion in the remakes: Steven or Wallace? Will Juan return?

Kanto_Johto December 17th, 2012 10:49 AM

If I'm restricted to choosing just one, then Hoenn, since Hoenn hasn't had another chance to shine yet. However, I would much prefer to have both a Hoenn remake (say Emerald) and a Kanto remake (say a combination of FR and LG) and have them released together as Gen III remakes. So then, not only do we get some awesome remakes, we also get a paired games that are entirely different.

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~ December 18th, 2012 7:12 AM

We've seen a Kanto remake twice already. It's only fair in my opinion to see a Hoenn remake and I would love to see one as well, but they add more things to it just like what they did in Kanto for LeafGreen and FireRed.


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Aeon. December 18th, 2012 3:52 PM

As long as they can compensate for that god awful surfing tedium, then I'd be all for a Hoenn remake... but honestly, I get this strange feeling that GameFreak might put it off for the sixth generation. Besides, Kanto has essentially been reborn twice already.

Karma December 18th, 2012 7:06 PM

Hoenn, hands down. I enjoyed the region and all of the lovely Pokémon that came with it. I have seen far too much of Kanto for my own good and I think a re-make of Hoenn would be absolutely amazing. I can already imagine how the graphics might look on the 3DS.

Kotowari December 19th, 2012 2:29 AM

Hoenn, most deffinitally. I loved the region and I didn't think so badly of the surfing routes. It was actually quite nice (including the diving and such). When I think back of playing Sapphire and Emerald, it's with fond nostalgia. Likewise with the Hoenn Battle song from the SSBB OST.

I would love for Hoenn to get a second chance at proving that it's a great region. As many said before, Kanto's been able to do that quite some times already. We know it's good, no reason to go through it again. Go for a less popular region. If it's money issues, people will buy it anyways. :B It's Pokémon, after all.

Starry Windy December 19th, 2012 3:46 AM

I choose Hoenn because that's where I start my first journey in Pokemon world. That will be great to experience the Hoenn region once again.

WingedDragon December 25th, 2012 8:48 AM

Kanto remake has been done. Its Hoenn times to be remade. I actually enjoyed Hoenn. I think thats when the series changed

Correspondence December 25th, 2012 9:20 AM

I say Hoenn because it would look totally awesome and its the only region that hasn't been seen in 3D.Also, Kanto is in almost every region so it would be a bit boring.

Elite Overlord LeSabre™ December 26th, 2012 12:08 AM

I wouldn't want to see either, but if forced to choose one I would choose Kanto if only because Hoenn was such a badly laid-out region and so many of the region's Gym leaders and Elite Four were completely forgettable, boring characters.

I really can't say that I would buy either remake game, though.

Cerberus87 December 26th, 2012 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Elite Overlord LeSabre™ (Post 7455602)
I wouldn't want to see either, but if forced to choose one I would choose Kanto if only because Hoenn was such a badly laid-out region and so many of the region's Gym leaders and Elite Four were completely forgettable, boring characters.

I really can't say that I would buy either remake game, though.

Couldn't agree more. Hoenn is underrated, but IMO it deserves to be. Most of the reasons people like Hoenn are for gimmicks completely unrelated to the story or the battle system themselves (Trick House, Secret Bases).

Unova was a reboot they did right. Hoenn, one they did wrong.

P0kelegend December 26th, 2012 1:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Cerberus87 (Post 7455620)
Couldn't agree more. Hoenn is underrated, but IMO it deserves to be. Most of the reasons people like Hoenn are for gimmicks completely unrelated to the story or the battle system themselves (Trick House, Secret Bases).

Unova was a reboot they did right. Hoenn, one they did wrong.

So what? They were IN the Hoenn games, so people are allowed to like Hoenn because of its exclusive features such as the Trick House and Secret Bases. They were exclusive to Hoenn, so trying to say it deserves to be underrated because people like its gimmicky aspects is clearly just your biased opinion against Hoenn.

Your post just seems like a personal dislike rather than a logical argument of why it deserves to be underrated.

pikakitten December 26th, 2012 2:37 AM

Kanto |Hoenn
Gen I: R/B/Y/G |
Gen II: G/S/C |
Gen III: FR/LG |Gen III: R/S/E
Gen IV: HG/SS |
Total: 12 |Total: 3
Seriously? Give me a break, Kanto is used too much, although I do love it, especially in HG/SS another remake would be pointless. Hoenn hasn't gotten squat even though it had good gameplay, pokeblocks, trick house, bases, contests, new pokemon, soot sack, diving. Also, if they remade it they could improve the storyline like in HG/SS and make it more climactic, thrilling, surprising, etc. I find that Hoenn could easily do with a remake, they even have the new trainer sprites ready, animation, repel system xD, maybe make it harder, but overall, Hoenn needs a remake, with such high demand for it GF will have to make it or disappoint the fan base which would not be good for them.

~Sincerely
PikakittenX, Extreme(speed) Hoenn Fan

Ammako December 26th, 2012 8:05 AM

There would be no point in remaking Kanto a second time, as, y'know, it's been remade already.
While Hoenn hasn't been remade yet. So my vote goes to Hoenn.

(That, and Kanto is just too boring; nothing special to see or do in there.)

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Originally Posted by pikakitten (Post 7455678)
GF will have to make it or disappoint the fan base which would not be good for them.

I hope you realise the fan base would buy the newest Pokémon game regardless of it being a R/S remake or not.

Arlo December 26th, 2012 10:54 AM

Broadly - Kanto's already been remade and Hoenn hasn't, so it makes much more sense for Hoenn to be remade next.

Personally - Kanto bores me, while Hoenn is probably my favorite region and definitely my favorite dex, so it's no contest. I'd MUCH prefer a Hoenn remake.

And conceptually - with the varied and scenic terrain AND popularity of the region, Hoenn would be a fitting place for GF to show off the potential of the 3DS, so I think it's quite safe to assume that we'll see Hoenn remakes, and that's what we'll see them on.

DowntownDumpling December 26th, 2012 11:20 AM

Hoenn. Honestly, I don't think Kanto needs another remake.

DelightedTurk December 26th, 2012 4:27 PM

For me personally I'd love an R/S/E remake. Ruby was the first Pokémon game I completed, and the experience for me was amazing. The nostalgia I get from just playing them is surreal, but in 3D it would blow my mind!

That in mind, I wouldn't mind a FR/LG remake, but would they make a remake of a remake?

Iron1234 December 28th, 2012 12:19 PM

I'd like a hoenn remake, but I'd like the battle frontier set in kanto like the anime

Margaery Tyrell December 28th, 2012 12:39 PM

Hmm...I personally love both regions, Kanto was thrilling in SoulSilver, but it's already had it's time to shine far too much...

In a neutral position, it would have to be Hoenn, simply because it's region has only been featured once, which was when it was released. I think Hoenn deserves to take the stage...

MidiMasterShiro December 31st, 2012 2:49 PM

I'd say Hoenn. Hoenn was one of my favorite regions. Plus, as some have already said, Kanto has appeared the most.

mikey January 1st, 2013 8:10 AM

Hoenn. It hasnt been remade yet, or seen in 3D. I miss it and I wana see it updated!

Also, we've seen enough of Kanto.

Schwan January 1st, 2013 8:55 PM

I'd love both, I'd actually want Kanto more, but I feel Hoenn is much more likely. From a business standpoint, Nintento would thrive with the amount of fans that are itching to play Hoenn on their DS's, and potentially in 3D. Although this is a minor reason, many R/S cartridge's batteries have run dry within the past year or two as well. A ds card would be a great replacement and gesture from Nintendo I think.

bolter1 January 2nd, 2013 11:50 AM

Kanto has kind of had 2 full remakes (1/2 in S/G/C, 1 for FR/LG,1/2 for HG/SS). Everyone has played in Kanto, not everyone has played in Hoenn since Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald were released 10 years ago. Besides, its not the story people care about (disclaimer: that is a speculative generalization), its the region itself, the cities/towns, and the pokemon found there that we want.

Mama-Mamo January 2nd, 2013 11:57 AM

Hoenn. At first, I wasn't too fond of it. But it definitely has grown on me since it first came out and I would love for Game Freak to refine our beloved R/S/E!!!

Jtimis January 2nd, 2013 2:23 PM

I'd love to see the next game of pokemon made with 6th gen pokemon, but with the same spin on it as pokemon crystal. it was the third in the g/s/c series but it had better animation nd both the first and second regions!

Maybe nintendo could make something similar for the new pokemon game - but link it with all regions?

katiekun11 January 2nd, 2013 4:53 PM

I'd prefer a Hoenn remake, myself. I loved playing RSE when I was younger, it would be fantastic to revisit it. I liked all the water routes! & Tate/Liza were soooo easy to beat, would be good if they made them harder next time xD

bwburke94 January 3rd, 2013 8:55 AM

I am assuming that the announcement this coming Tuesday is a remake of either Hoenn or Kanto, and that they will be on the DS and part of Generation V. (Then again, the last time such a big announcement was promised, it was a Battrio set.)

This post is about the LIKELIHOOD of each region, not which one I want.

Neutral Evidence:
  1. FireRed and LeafGreen were released before Emerald, but after Ruby and Sapphire. Both R/S/E and FR/LG were in Gen III.
  2. 2013 is the North American fifteenth anniversary of R/B, and the non-Japanese tenth anniversary of R/S. Game Freak has referenced the international games in the past, though never with game releases.
Evidence Favoring Kanto:
  1. Kanto has appeared in every generation, and has not yet appeared in Generation V.
  2. [email protected] and the Regi trio were catchable in B2/W2.
Evidence Favoring Hoenn:

  1. Kanto appeared in Gen IV (HG/SS) while Hoenn has not appeared since Emerald.
  2. The Shoal Cave-related items reappeared in Gen V, which they would not have done if there were no Hoenn remakes in that generation.
  3. Three of the four non-event Kanto legendaries are the legendary birds, which were roamers in Platinum and could conceivably be roamers in Hoenn remakes if the legendary beasts did not fulfill the "extra roamers in the remake" slots. The fourth legendary is Mewtwo, which could be placed in Altering Cave to make said cave have an actual purpose other than EV training. (On top of that, Altering Cave and Cerulean Cave had the same music IIRC.)

Gideon Jeremiah January 3rd, 2013 9:06 AM

Hoenn, absolutely Hoenn.
If they did that, every single game in the series would have been remade, with the ability to transfer/trade & complete a Pokèdex in any of the remakes (assuming future events occur for specifics).

Aside from that, imagine the glory of Hoenn's diving sequences, in glorious Gen V quality... O_O.

SaniOKh January 3rd, 2013 10:40 AM

Personally, I'd rather play an entirely new adventure, either a B2/W2-esque sequel set in Hoenn, or with Hoenn available in post-game (I have already stated my theory about how there won't be R/S/E remakes at all in the pinned topic). Kanto's been done to death, and Hoenn has some interesting locations that, IMO, would shine in 3D.

bwburke94 January 3rd, 2013 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SaniOKh (Post 7468902)
Personally, I'd rather play an entirely new adventure, either a B2/W2-esque sequel set in Hoenn, or with Hoenn available in post-game (I have already stated my theory about how there won't be R/S/E remakes at all in the pinned topic). Kanto's been done to death, and Hoenn has some interesting locations that, IMO, would shine in 3D.

Hoenn didn't set up enough hooks for a sequel, especially a sequel eleven years later. It's also far enough from Sinnoh that a Sinnoh sequel with Hoenn post-game wouldn't work. We might see the Gen VI games have Hoenn post-game, but that would piss off the part of the fandom that wants straight remakes.

vapes January 3rd, 2013 1:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cinnabar (Post 7444741)
Call me a criminal, but I'd love to see a Kanto remake. Nothing against Hoenn, but I just really didn't find it very... Standout-ish, aside from the torturous amounts of water routes, it wasn't very special to me. And plus, I think that it'd only be fitting that Kanto see's the first 3DS Pokemon RPG title.

I don't understand why people say that. The only majoring surfing in hoenn was towards the 7th and 8th gym badge. Before that, the surfing is used just as much as the previous installments.

Besides we already have a Kanto remake: FireRed and LeafGreen, which were excellent remakes. I think it's time to make one for Ruby and Sapphire as they're probably the more underrated games next to Diamond and Pearl
I would definitely get the sapphire version of the remake.

Xander Olivieri January 3rd, 2013 1:08 PM

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Originally Posted by vapes (Post 7469166)
I don't understand why people say that. The only majoring surfing in hoenn was towards the 7th and 8th gym badge. Before that, the surfing is used just as much as the previous installments.

Actually its from Lillycove to Mossdeep which is 6th to 7th Gyms, then major story point that usually leaves you in the water routes for an obscenely long time, then after you finish that you earn the 8th badge and go through more water route travel up until you get to Evergrand. After E4 you still have to go through the water routes to reach the hidden legends if in RS (the underwater ruins to unlock the Regi and near pacifilodge to get rayquaza).

Hoenn is about half water and half land. Which is what annoys a lot of people.

You also have the large gap between Petalburg and Dewford and then again from Dewford to Slateport. Almost all the extra exploration areas on on the water routes as well.

filecabinet24 January 3rd, 2013 1:12 PM

I personally like Kanto much more than Hoenn, but we don't need another remake of Kanto, it already got 3. One in Gold/Silver/Crytal, one in FireRed/LeafGreen and one in HeartGold/SoulSilver.

Buuuuuut that's just my opinion.

vapes January 3rd, 2013 1:17 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7469176)
Actually its from Lillycove to Mossdeep which is 6th to 7th Gyms, then major story point that usually leaves you in the water routes for an obscenely long time, then after you finish that you earn the 8th badge and go through more water route travel up until you get to Evergrand. After E4 you still have to go through the water routes to reach the hidden legends if in RS (the underwater ruins to unlock the Regi and near pacifilodge to get rayquaza).

Hoenn is about half water and half land. Which is what annoys a lot of people.

You also have the large gap between Petalburg and Dewford and then again from Dewford to Slateport. Almost all the extra exploration areas on on the water routes as well.

Lillycove to Mosdeep is just one straight surf to the right. It isn't until after defeating Tate and Liza that you have to surf a lot to do things for the story, which is between the 7th and 8th gym. And it's not that bad. I mean what's the difference between surfing on water and running on grass? You're still fighting trainers, encountering wild Pokemon (albeit they're all water types), and still able to use repels.

Although yes, post-game exploration may amount to more surfing, but the main game itself doesn't have too much.

Xander Olivieri January 3rd, 2013 1:21 PM

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Originally Posted by vapes (Post 7469201)
Lillycove to Mosdeep is just one straight surf to the right. It isn't until after defeating Tate and Liza that you have to surf a lot to do things for the story, which is between the 7th and 8th gym. And it's not that bad. I mean what's the difference between surfing on water and running on grass? You're still fighting trainers, encountering wild Pokemon (albeit they're all water types), and still able to use repels.

Although yes, post-game exploration may amount to more surfing, but the main game itself doesn't have too much.

I don't honestly know what's with the water route hate myself XD

I love Water types so all the water routes were amazing for me. I'm just pointing out you spend about half the game on land and half in water. Which was the entire point of the game anyway cause of Aqua/Magma thing.

I want Kanto remakes again simply because both are equally outdated games and overall Hoenn wasn't that great to me so I'd rather play a region I liked.

vapes January 3rd, 2013 1:33 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7469210)
I don't honestly know what's with the water route hate myself XD

I love Water types so all the water routes were amazing for me. I'm just pointing out you spend about half the game on land and half in water. Which was the entire point of the game anyway cause of Aqua/Magma thing.

I want Kanto remakes again simply because both are equally outdated games and overall Hoenn wasn't that great to me so I'd rather play a region I liked.

Oh yes I know what you were saying. I just never got why people didn't like it much myself, and just felt like addressing it.
To me Hoenn wasn't that great either, but I'm hoping the remake uses the 3Ds features to make the experience better.

vaporeon7 January 3rd, 2013 2:03 PM

I'd love to have both, but a Hoenn remake would make me a very happy Vapor. I have so much nostalgia for the games, in fact I'm playing Emerald as I type :P

In fact I know what my team would be. Partly a throwback to my original Ruby team:
Gorebyss
Blaziken
Cacturne
Gardevoir
Salamence
?

FlameChocobo January 3rd, 2013 2:40 PM

Hoenn for 3 reasons.

1. Kanto is almost every generation.
2. Hoenn is left alone so it doesn't make the games suck because of the nerfs. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Hoenn. I love Hoenn, but that's actually a good thing Game Freak didn't use it outside of R/S/E because Kanto as a second region made G/S/C my (second to if it has to be the version of the region I live in) least favorite. Sure it got fixed in the remakes such as HG and SS, but I digress. If you're gonna have a second region, then make it good. Otherwise, just stick with only one region.
3. R/S/E (Yes I'm always gushing about it) is my absolute favorite of the series.

Perico January 3rd, 2013 4:14 PM

I don't like considering Emerald as a remake of Ruby and Sapphire, though most people do. What I call a remake is what they did with Fire Red and Leaf Green. We couldn't call Emerald a sequel either because there are minor changes, which basically make Emerald like the third version which came out a bit later than R&S.

Having this in mind, if we've already had a remake of the old Green/Red games (and we have too of Gold/Silver), I'd totally prefer a remake of the Gen III.

Besides, though indirectly, we've had kind of a "second remake" of Kanto in HG/SS... So please, no more Kanto, let's give Hoenn a try.

Skylands January 3rd, 2013 4:45 PM

Hoenn remakes first, please. I love the region itself over any other, it's so beautiful.

bowlda January 4th, 2013 7:17 PM

Wow this is a hard choice to make. Hoenn would be the optimal choice though. It's about time it's had its remake. As much as I love and have grown up with Kanto, it's received a little too much love, haha.

RoreyG January 4th, 2013 8:25 PM

Personally, I don't think we need to remake any game of the Advanced Generation (Kanto or Hoenn).

Hell, the reason why Gen 1 was remade in the first place is because the creators needed to find a way to get the remaining Pokemon from Kanto and Johto to complete the National Dex for Hoenn as the GBA couldn't link with the older GameBoy systems.

The main reason why Gen 2 was remade for the DS is for exactly the some thing. The DSi and all systems after couldn't link with the GBA games and the creators needed to find a way for players to complete the National Dex.

Gen 5 doesn't have this problem as you can freely link up with the Gen 4 DS games.

Also, the first two Generations were remade because the GB and GBC cartridges were glitched and the saved game data was corrupted over a period of time. Without those remakes, fans would not have been able to revisit those regions. As I understand it, the GBA games don't suffer this effect so anybody who misses the Hoenn region could just fire up their GBA and relive their adventures there.

That said, if I had to choose it's a no brainer. I'm a Kanto boy at heart.

SaniOKh January 5th, 2013 9:09 AM

Thank you, RoreyG, I feel less lonely now :) . I wanted to say the exact same thing in my post, (this, and the fact that since both RBY and RSE are at the very beginning of the games' timeline, in either case their remakes would either require a second reboot or completely screw up the series' timeline; this is why I insisted on wanting a Hoenn sequel and not remake) , but was afraid it would be off-topic.

Cerberus87 January 5th, 2013 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by RoreyG (Post 7471656)
Personally, I don't think we need to remake any game of the Advanced Generation (Kanto or Hoenn).

Hell, the reason why Gen 1 was remade in the first place is because the creators needed to find a way to get the remaining Pokemon from Kanto and Johto to complete the National Dex for Hoenn as the GBA couldn't link with the older GameBoy systems.

The main reason why Gen 2 was remade for the DS is for exactly the some thing. The DSi and all systems after couldn't link with the GBA games and the creators needed to find a way for players to complete the National Dex.

Gen 5 doesn't have this problem as you can freely link up with the Gen 4 DS games.

Also, the first two Generations were remade because the GB and GBC cartridges were glitched and the saved game data was corrupted over a period of time. Without those remakes, fans would not have been able to revisit those regions. As I understand it, the GBA games don't suffer this effect so anybody who misses the Hoenn region could just fire up their GBA and relive their adventures there.

That said, if I had to choose it's a no brainer. I'm a Kanto boy at heart.

Fully agree!

Also, you can have all of the Hoenn legendaries in 5th gen via Pal Park + transfer, Groudon/Kyogre/Rayquaza are available in HGSS, the Regis can be transferred from Platinum or caught in BW2, the [email protected] can be caught in HGSS... There's no sensible reason for Hoenn remakes other than shiny graphics.

I'd be much happier if the next game was already 6th gen... And a new adventure in Kanto (not a remake), with a proper story, would be much cooler as well.

People go crazy about Hoenn but it's Kanto who had the short end of the stick... Most featured region, yes, but I thought FRLG weren't all that good of a remake, and Kanto is just an adjacent region in HGSS... A brand new adventure in Kanto, set years after 1st gen, with an interesting story, would be great fun.

Not sure if a Hoenn remake is feasible as well, since it can't be on the DS... There has never been three main Pokémon games in the same console before... Only way for Hoenn to be remade would be on the 3DS.

bwburke94 January 7th, 2013 8:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Cerberus87 (Post 7472471)
Not sure if a Hoenn remake is feasible as well, since it can't be on the DS... There has never been three main Pokémon games in the same console before... Only way for Hoenn to be remade would be on the 3DS.

Dafuq? Gen I (in Japan) had R/G, Blue, and Yellow. And you're using the past as precedent. We never had a new storyline that wasn't a new generation before Gen V.

The Amazing Justin January 9th, 2013 4:42 AM

I'll never stop loving Kanto. It was mine and probably most of everybody else's first region and the only one for years.

Harmonie January 9th, 2013 5:46 AM

Of course, I'd love to see Kanto remade in 3D (X/Y style, or an even better one), but it's time for Hoenn to be remade. I've always been down on Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald, but Hoenn was an interesting region.

I suppose another Kanto remake can wait until the Pokemon series has moved to completely 3D environments. Which by that I mean landscapes designed like they're for a 3D world and not for a 2D world. Like when we move towards Ocarina of Time, away from Phantom Hourglass speaking in terms of Zelda. It'd be interesting to see Kanto reimagined in a 3D format.

Jin Of The Gale January 9th, 2013 7:08 AM

I honestly think they should do a Hoenn remake as we've got enough games with the Kanto region. Emerald is my favourite game and I spent a lot of hours on it. Even if they do make one, I'd love it if they use the Gen 3 game mechanics instead of Gen 5.

King_21 January 9th, 2013 8:12 AM

Horn because the remake of Kanto was already made and got released after ruby and sapphire

Lukar115 January 9th, 2013 8:40 AM

I'd rather go for Hoenn. As much as I love Kanto, not only has it been featured in two remakes thus far, but the second remake is still fairly recent and available. Meanwhile, Hoenn's been restricted to R/S/E.

disciplish January 9th, 2013 9:12 AM

I'd like to see Hoenn first, definitely. But what I would do is make the Sevii Islands along with it, as if to acknowledge the existence of FRLG, and to give it more places to go.

Or maybe they could do both at the same time, in one DS card, with the power of the 3DS right now. That would be awesome!

UnlethalMango January 12th, 2013 3:13 AM

Definitely Hoenn... basically just add up everyone else's reason and you get my reason.

Annataz January 21st, 2013 5:02 PM

As much as I would love to see Kanto on the 3DS, I have to concede that Hoenn deserves a remake more. Kanto has been in every generation so far except for the fifth, while Hoenn is stuck on the GBA. Of course, after they remake Hoenn, I'd love for them to do Kanto.

KungFuPurp January 21st, 2013 5:33 PM

Hoenn for sure i don't really think another Kanto re-make would be very popular to the fans.

Hoenn is the one that needs to get more of a spotlight

pokemanmdj January 21st, 2013 9:15 PM

Though I like Kanto, Hoenn does deserve the chance to shine again.

I could just imagine it- prettier graphics, perhaps newer areas to explore and more stuff to do after the story's done! Hoenn's not my favourite region, but it could become much more better with some additions other than more water.

GenuineCorruption January 22nd, 2013 1:18 PM

Canto remake... seems a little redundant as being a remake of a remake. I wouldn't play it myself.

Rou.Tsuki January 22nd, 2013 2:41 PM

I agree Hoenn could use some loving more than Kanto.

piefara January 23rd, 2013 3:17 AM

with the guy who said emarald indstead of r/s emagine the kyogre vs groudon fight scene give it a 3D battle scene like kyrem vs the b/w mascots in black 2 and white 2 and then raquasa flies in and they flee in terror.

Synerjee January 23rd, 2013 3:53 AM

A remake of Hoenn, PLEASE!! All the other versions have gotten their own remake but not poor Hoenn. I would love to see it all spruced up in glamorous 3D graphics with loads of awesome features that generally appear with a remake. Don't forget, all the other Pokemon from the previous recent games might be included, not only the original RSE batch! If they do remake Kanto again though, I might consider trying it out for the sake of it.

Treecko January 23rd, 2013 3:54 AM

Hoenn definitely. I feel like Kanto is overdone since I've visited it 7 times and don't want to visit it again. 2 remakes of the region is enough. Gen 3 were my favorite games with Hoenn being my favorite region. It's so beautiful and looking at the graphics in X and Y so far, I think the region will look even more beautiful in 3D and one the 3DS. So if they do remake them, I think they deserve to be on the 3DS.Though if they remake Kanto in the future with cool 3D graphics, I'd still buy it.

FluffyChickon January 23rd, 2013 4:11 AM

Hoenn because diving was awesome/ team aqua and magma where the nes time a new bad guys where introduced/ a double battle gym leader !! / the only starters that gave me a hard decision / and windgull (forgot how to spell it) was an amazing useful people is evoluted form could surf fly waterfall and dive! Kanto was where it's at but yer if been done 4 times. But I would like to see a 3D perspective of kanto

I'm still waiting on a game where you start at kanto and go all the way up to unova but I guess the leveling would be out of wack and I problable give up be cause the 5 gen is poo.

Hikamaru January 23rd, 2013 4:13 AM

Hoenn for god's sake! I want to see Hoenn get a proper remake in 3D and I've gotten sick of Kanto tbh. Hoenn is a region not yet rendered in 3D so this is something I want them to do after X & Y.

BLOOOD-La-ti- January 23rd, 2013 4:25 AM

Oh for crying out loud!
Bring us a hoenn remake!Game Freak!
Hoenn will always be the best to me!
(as well as Unova!)

piefara January 23rd, 2013 5:42 AM

hoenn every single one of my favourite pokemon live in hoenn

wygar January 25th, 2013 8:42 AM

ppl should stop saying kanto had too many remakes. it didn't.
had one, period.
nobody ever considered g/s a kanto remake so hg/ss are kanto remakes just as much as the original games were.
if you guys want to make a point at least find a valid one.

but still, I agree that IF gf decides to bring more remakes to the table, r/s should be first.

now, for the "conflicting" story all they would have to do if they absolutely felt the need to go with emerald because of rayquaza, is something as simple as "red" emerald & "blue" emerald, make you side with one of the factions as r/s did, then some kinda bs as the "good ones" being forced to summon their own legend (you could either catch it to aid them or they summoned it themselves and you catch it later) as a last resort/desperate measure, things going wrong and rayquaza saving the day. you then proceed to finish the game as usual, rayquaza being obtainable pre-e4, or as post-game content.

while this probably isn't a flawless idea, it's a good enough base to explore and i just thought of it as i was writing this so i'm pretty confident that a team of professionals can sit down and come up with something 100 times better.

sry if this is off-topic but it's just too irritating to keep reading posts saying:
a- remakes aren't possible because of emerald
b- gf will have to release ONLY ONE title because it has to be emerald

Cerberus87 January 25th, 2013 11:03 AM

They will only remake Hoenn if few Hoenn Pokémon are catchable in XY... Just like how it was when the other remakes were released. People like to deny it was because of it, but that's just wishful thinking. FRLG were released because you couldn't get most Kanto Pokémon in RS, and HGSS were released because even the Platinum Sinnoh Dex had very few Johto Pokémon.

Besides, the storyline of Hoenn is a huge obstacle to a remake... Not only the canon is the third version, but also the Hoenn games are chronologically at the very beginning of the timeline, together with FRLG... If XY are way ahead of Hoenn in the timeline (as I suspect they're ahead of Unova even, and Unova is ahead of everything so far), then Hoenn remakes are a no go because you can't integrate them with the XY storyline.

Gamefreak plans ahead of time, so when a remake is going to happen, there are usually hints of it... Absence of most Kanto Pokémon in RS, for one, and the red Gyarados in DPP, for two. If there are many Hoenn Pokémon in XY, forget a remake.

wygar January 25th, 2013 5:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cerberus87 (Post 7509068)
They will only remake Hoenn if few Hoenn Pokémon are catchable in XY... Just like how it was when the other remakes were released. People like to deny it was because of it, but that's just wishful thinking. FRLG were released because you couldn't get most Kanto Pokémon in RS, and HGSS were released because even the Platinum Sinnoh Dex had very few Johto Pokémon.



Besides, the storyline of Hoenn is a huge obstacle to a remake... Not only the canon is the third version, but also the Hoenn games are chronologically at the very beginning of the timeline, together with FRLG... If XY are way ahead of Hoenn in the timeline (as I suspect they're ahead of Unova even, and Unova is ahead of everything so far), then Hoenn remakes are a no go because you can't integrate them with the XY storyline.



Gamefreak plans ahead of time, so when a remake is going to happen, there are usually hints of it... Absence of most Kanto Pokémon in RS, for one, and the red Gyarados in DPP, for two. If there are many Hoenn Pokémon in XY, forget a remake.



i have to disagree with some of the points you made:

availability doesn't really decide anything when you take into account the fact that most (if not all) pokemon from gen2 were available in gen3 alone so it doesn't prove much and honestly that whole "gyarados hint" is as much of a hint as some of the stuff i saw on r/s remake speculation thread. the only difference being we had the g/s remakes but not the r/s ones.
but if they do those remakes after the next games you'll probably see ****loads of ppl saying: "see? the hints were real!"
not saying i believe those hints to be true but rather that none of them prove anything, at all.

now, i don't want you to think i'm just trying to blindly defend the remakes. in fact, as far as i'm concerned they can skip them altogether and go straight for a 7th gen after this one cause i'm not dying for more remakes and, unlike some, i'm not afraid of reaching the 1000 pokemon milestone nor that they might run out of ideas =P

other than that, i agree there are some obstacles to overcome in order to make it possible but at the same time, judging by the surprises we've had and the consistent quality of their work, i think it's too soon to make any assumptions.

just though i'd point out some possible flaws in your logic and hope you don't take anything the wrong way, just trying to be constructive towards one of the few good posts. ;)

Rayshin January 25th, 2013 5:40 PM

Deffo Hoenn. But if it's a 3DS exclusive, then fudge it.

halcyonic January 25th, 2013 5:53 PM

ofc a Hoenn remake, why?

cuz kanto and johto already had hgss dont u see? if they are to make one for the 3ds, that'll be in some years time

wygar January 25th, 2013 6:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Evans (Post 7509518)
Deffo Hoenn. But if it's a 3DS exclusive, then fudge it.



and may i ask you what your problem with the 3ds is?
by now, especially having a main series in the new console (not to mention DS being as good as dead), you should have understood that the new console IS a necessity, not something optional.
what did you expect? pokemon on an outdated system for all the eternity?
3ds is a new handheld not a mere update...

anyway, you only have 3 real options:
a- buy a 3ds
b- wait to make sure a remake is actually going to be released (you'll still have to buy a 3ds to play it regardless)
c- give up on pokemon games (or any nintendo portable game for that matter) until you feel like buying a new handheld.
your choice

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Originally Posted by MidnightShine (Post 7509532)
ofc a Hoenn remake, why?



cuz kanto and johto already had hgss dont u see? if they are to make one for the 3ds, that'll be in some years time



you cannot possibly compare the kanto region in g/s & hg/ss with the region in the original games. the space itself is there (even that is modified though) but what trully makes it a game isn't.

Cerberus87 January 25th, 2013 6:29 PM

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Originally Posted by wygar (Post 7509508)
i have to disagree with some of the points you made:

availability doesn't really decide anything when you take into account the fact that most (if not all) pokemon from gen2 were available in gen3 alone so it doesn't prove much and honestly that whole "gyarados hint" is as much of a hint as some of the stuff i saw on r/s remake speculation thread. the only difference being we had the g/s remakes but not the r/s ones.
but if they do those remakes after the next games you'll probably see ****loads of ppl saying: "see? the hints were real!"
not saying i believe those hints to be true but rather that none of them prove anything, at all.

now, i don't want you to think i'm just trying to blindly defend the remakes. in fact, as far as i'm concerned they can skip them altogether and go straight for a 7th gen after this one cause i'm not dying for more remakes and, unlike some, i'm not afraid of reaching the 1000 pokemon milestone nor that they might run out of ideas =P

other than that, i agree there are some obstacles to overcome in order to make it possible but at the same time, judging by the surprises we've had and the consistent quality of their work, i think it's too soon to make any assumptions.

just though i'd point out some possible flaws in your logic and hope you don't take anything the wrong way, just trying to be constructive towards one of the few good posts. ;)

Yeah but Nintendo released the DSi with no GBA slot the same year Platinum came out, so those with a DSi couldn't get Pokémon from GBA games.

I had the argument that there weren't Hoenn remakes in the DS because you could still transfer Pokémon from GBA... But (thanks to you) I saw my logic was flawed. The real reason is that you can catch all the Hoenn Pokémon in the DS games. Some legendaries are harder to obtain, but remember 2nd gen had no way to obtain Mewtwo or the birds, not even in Crystal, you had to trade them from 1st gen, so legendaries are kind of a grey area when it comes to availability.

They *might* make a Hoenn remake if Groudon/Kyogre/Rayquaza aren't available in 6th gen, but ATM it's too early to tell. With the size of a 3DS cart they can fit tons of Pokémon in the new region and make us not need remakes at all. Or they could go greedy and include few Pokémon to force us to buy the remakes. I don't like the idea of new remakes because then there will be a remake of everything in the future, Hoenn, Sinnoh, Unova and God knows what else.

I think 1st and 2nd gen were justified because, and let's not forget this, they were on the GB, and the GB was a console that was horribly outdated when it was phased out, having been released in 1989 in the 8-bit era. Technically a GB from 1989 could play Pokémon Gold! Which didn't require colors. Only Crystal necessitated the more powerful Game Boy Color. Meanwhile, Ruby and Sapphire were on the GBA which was a huge leap forward and more powerful than the SNES, which wasn't too shabby for its time. So it isn't *that* dated by today's standards, maybe compared to the 3DS, but then even the Diamond and Pearl games look dated compared to the bits of XY in the Pokémon Direct video. Hoenn (still) doesn't look horrible compared to the modern games, unlike RBY and GSC which have incredibly simple graphics (even though Crystal has the best animations in the series not counting BW).

As for the original question, I vote neither. What would be really cool is a completely new adventure in Kanto, with a new protagonist and new characters, but that won't happen soon because HGSS.

EDIT: While doing some quick research for this post I came across a post from 2004 that said the DS wasn't going to last. Well, we're in 2013 and the DS had 4 models released, and big budget games released until last year, and it also outsold the PSP. It was so successful that now we have the 3DS which is crushing the Vita sales-wise. So much for those futurologists who keep trying to tell Nintendo what they should do... :D

Theory_ January 26th, 2013 7:08 AM

Both could use a remake but Hoenn needs to be done before Kanto

wygar January 26th, 2013 8:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cerberus87 (Post 7509573)
EDIT: While doing some quick research for this post I came across a post from 2004 that said the DS wasn't going to last. Well, we're in 2013 and the DS had 4 models released, and big budget games released until last year, and it also outsold the PSP. It was so successful that now we have the 3DS which is crushing the Vita sales-wise. So much for those futurologists who keep trying to tell Nintendo what they should do...



^made me giggle.
so much for predictions xD


well, one of the things that possibly made hg/ss plausible is the fact that the internal battery causes big issues.

one could say the same happens on the gba titles but truth is loss of time-based events is nothing compared to loss of data (saves).
wonder why no one talks about this.

i know the batteries can be replaced but the developers clearly didn't have that in mind and not everyone has access to that info. plus, the battery replacement process isn't even something THAT easy to do as you can easily damage the cartridge.


i don't really think hg/ss alone are an obstacle to your "new adventure in kanto" idea, at all.

as far as i can see, the biggest issue would be the fact that the region of kanto by itself wouldn't create much of an impact regarding nostalgia and a new adventure in a region so overused would, almost certainly, not be profitable enough to make it a good alternative to a new gen or a simple remake.

also, taking into account they base their regions on real areas, the ammount of work they'd have to put in creating your idea opposed to a brand new gen would be essencially the same (new region since there's almost nothing to recyle due to the console transition and graphic differences already shown by x/y, new characters, new plot, etc, etc), which only reduces it's viability even more.

simple remakes on the other hand leave the developers with something to work with giving them a headstart, allowing some development time and money to be saved.

lastly, unless they master the dev-kit for 3ds by the time they truly finish this new project, i don't think they'll go with remakes that soon.

but 3ds has been around for a while now and i suspect they started working on the new gen far earlier than what most ppl would expect.

reason why i don't believe we'll get short/poor games when it comes to content like some suggest, even with the huge leap from DS to 3ds.

James_Terrano January 26th, 2013 12:43 PM

I like Kanto, but I'd rather see remade Hoenn.

Cerberus87 January 26th, 2013 3:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wygar (Post 7510364)
one could say the same happens on the gba titles but truth is loss of time-based events is nothing compared to loss of data (saves).
wonder why no one talks about this.

i know the batteries can be replaced but the developers clearly didn't have that in mind and not everyone has access to that info. plus, the battery replacement process isn't even something THAT easy to do as you can easily damage the cartridge.

The only things that were relevant to the internal clock in RSE were Berries and Espeon/Umbreon. Since no one plays RSE competitively anymore outside of simulators, and you can't even obtain Eevee in RSE without trading, the loss is minimal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wygar (Post 7510364)
i don't really think hg/ss alone are an obstacle to your "new adventure in kanto" idea, at all.

as far as i can see, the biggest issue would be the fact that the region of kanto by itself wouldn't create much of an impact regarding nostalgia and a new adventure in a region so overused would, almost certainly, not be profitable enough to make it a good alternative to a new gen or a simple remake.

also, taking into account they base their regions on real areas, the ammount of work they'd have to put in creating your idea opposed to a brand new gen would be essencially the same (new region since there's almost nothing to recyle due to the console transition and graphic differences already shown by x/y, new characters, new plot, etc, etc), which only reduces it's viability even more.

simple remakes on the other hand leave the developers with something to work with giving them a headstart, allowing some development time and money to be saved.

lastly, unless they master the dev-kit for 3ds by the time they truly finish this new project, i don't think they'll go with remakes that soon.

but 3ds has been around for a while now and i suspect they started working on the new gen far earlier than what most ppl would expect.

reason why i don't believe we'll get short/poor games when it comes to content like some suggest, even with the huge leap from DS to 3ds.

They did create a fairly good new adventure in Unova with a few changes.

Anyway, I'm 100% sure Kanto won't be remade, because it's already been remade.

Mark Kamill January 26th, 2013 6:17 PM

Both. And I mean it, too. Something tells me with gen 6 that the change of the region's size will lead to a need of sorts to bring up an older region to give us a sense of what the new engine feels like with familar places, and I can see them doing both regions in 1 game to give us that feel. If not then Hoenn for sure, best region they can give us in a remake.

quagykid65 January 26th, 2013 6:19 PM

a hoenn remake wold be excellent!

Mr Cat Dog January 27th, 2013 6:15 AM

Why would anyone want another Kanto remake?

Eeveelution Co-ordinator January 27th, 2013 8:18 AM

Both, but only if Kanto comes with Contests or another new thing like that (just please not another Musical, uhh)

Caelus January 27th, 2013 2:07 PM

Kanto has been used in the first generations while Hoenn has only been used for gen III. I think they need to remake RS before they consider bringing back Kanto.

xxReshiramxx January 27th, 2013 9:05 PM

Well I'd go with a Hoenn remake as Hoenn is of the first three generations that hasn't been remade yet but I say give it a few years.

GallifreyanGallade February 17th, 2013 8:27 AM

I want both an RS remake and an RGB re-remake in Gen VI, but the RS remake is probably needed more, so that should be first.

skyluigi2 February 17th, 2013 9:19 AM

Hoenn. Look at it this way: Kanto's been in every generation so far except 5, Hoenn's been in one, 3.
By that logic, Hoenn's definitely deserving of a remake!


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