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Gen V: More Controversial Than Gen III
Ever since the announcement of Pokemon Black/White, there's been a lot of controversy within the franchise's community regarding the fifth generation:
- The fact that it's not a 3DS title - The titles have gone back to colors rather than metal/gems - The main trainers are older than 10 - A female professor - Pokemon evolving later than usual - The Dream World - The starters' performance in battle - Garbador line - Vanilluxe line - The Kami trio being recolors - BW's story - N in general - Unova's linearity, which has been explained by the developers - Unlimited TM use - HMs aren't constantly used often in the story - Healers in caves - You don't face the champion after beating the Elite 4 until post-story - Removal of the Battle Frontier - No VS Seeker - Sequels instead of an anticipated third version - The fact that said sequels aren't on the 3DS - The Dream Radar - The Kami Trio getting new formes to make them look different - Cheren as a Gym Leader, ruining Blue's uniqueness - Kyurem can't be caught until post-story - Iris as champion - The difficulty setting - The Pokemon World Tournament I haven't seen this much hate on a certain gen since the Ruby/Sapphire days. Could Gen V perhaps be the most polarized gen in the whole series? |
Probably because they have added YET another set of Pokemon and people find it too much.
But also, most people that seems to complain about Black & White, are also the people who didn't even try the game, and stay on the Gen I games saying the rest are crap. I haven't yet tried BW2 but I did get Pokemon White a few days ago, and even though I didn't play it that much yet, I gotta say that I'm loving really loving the game as to now. And that's saying something, because me too, I used to bash on the Gen V serie. |
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RSE was a step in the right direction, compared to GSC....
Oh, add to the list: No Safari Zone, No poisoning outside of battle. I think the dream world is a ridiculous thing |
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I don't like B/W for three simple reasons:
1. It pretends to be new when it's just rehashing old ideas. 2. It trying to be like other RPGs, and not even like the good RPGs. 3. It doesn't try to be challenging. |
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I think that this is the best Gen so far. I like the unlimited Tm uses. I dont see why it matters if a professor is male or female. I also know that you have to keep up with the times staying behind does you no good. I am liking the DW. I like that you can play B/W longer term for other things other then catching pokemon. ie Gens 1 and G+S 2.
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To be honest, 5th Generation has to be the best ever cos it changed loads of things in Pokemon and did a lot of twists and turns at us.
I enjoyed Black and White so much and they became my favorite games, and I'm getting Black 2 and White 2 soon which hopefully might be just as awesome for me. I really enjoyed the changes 5th Generation brought us, which is why I don't get all the hate behind it. Unlimited TM uses really helped me get better movesets on my Pokemon, and it was something I wanted. Also, B2/W2 introduced the Repel reminder, which comes up when you run out of a Repel and want to use another. Saves time looking through the bag. |
Honestly when Gen V was announced I was anticipating it to get the hate that it has. The amount of negativity Black and White were getting prior to their release was quite unexpected, and now that I think of it. I really like them though, despite some of the new Pokemon evolution lines being rather disappointing (mainly the two in the OP.) I actually liked the story, even though it might had been a little overdone by the end.
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I can't tell how much of your list is legit but I'll separate it and answer it accordingly.
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tl;dr whiners gonna whine. |
I'm not seeing out of most points you made that dubs this generation in more or less controversial. Too me it just seems nitpicking cause you dislike certain aspects. I feel every game has aspects that a person dislikes, but that doesn't make it controversial.
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It all boils down to one's perception of the generations. I for one hear a lot of people giving DPPt a lot of crap because of all the pointless evolutions. So comparing BW to RSE might not exactly be accurate.
But yeah there's a lot of changes. I don't consider them all exactly controversial exactly, then every generation would have its controversies. |
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Ironically, if Gen III remakes were introduced into Gen V, it would most likely negate the hate for Generation V going by the amount of demand for RS remakes. IMO I think B2W2 are the best games to date and BW don't fall too far behind.
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Of course Pokemon was meant to be challenging! If it wasn't it'd be a game where all you have to do to win is walk forward. I have no idea what you're talking about. Now granted, I'm not saying B/W is as easy as just walking forward but it's not as challenging. The map in linear, grinding is easier, catching Pokemon is easier, everything is easier for the casual player. The only things that are actually challenging in the games are only challenging because they made them needlessly complicated. |
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It's people like you, as well as the people from 4chan, the reason why I made this thread in the first place. |
Only reason people say it is easy is because they are use to the games. You know the weaknesses, you know what to use and what not to use. These games are probably harder for new people, not people who have played forever. And to be honest, 5th Gen has by far been one of the harder games. These games are for young kids not older people. That is why it is easyer. Otherwise, it would have E10+ rateing.
There are some route that are easyer to get through than others, but some are a challenge. Grinding I am glad is easier so you don't have to no life getting pokemon up in level. They made that change because people were complaing. |
In order to fully convey the necessary point I must descend into slang - haters gon' hate.
Seriously, that's what it seems to come down to to me. There are just a number of people who were bound and determined (and a surprising number who still are) to hate this generation (or IV, or III, or II...), and that's just that. The reasons are secondary - most of the time, they don't even seem particularly well thought out, and a disconcerting amount of the time, the people expressing them haven't even played the games - they've just already decided they hate them because... whatever. I say just let 'em be. If someone wants to waste their time and energy hating games that they haven't even played for reasons that don't seem to make any sense anyway, that's their right, and their problem. It makes no difference to me, or to my enjoyment of the games, just as it made no difference in Gen IV or Gen III, and won't make any difference in Gen VI, when there will be another whole raft of people who hate the games because... whatever. Quote:
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Just wait for the next gen to come out and people will find new, pointless things to complain about meanwhile they'll regard BW/2 as a great generation. This has happened for Gen 2..3..and 4. The games have only gotten better with time. Try playing Gen 1 in this day and age; it's terribly boring and very bugged and there is literally nothing to do after beating the E4.
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The villains were more or less just there. The hero wasn't really fighting them because he was trying to save the world, or because he's journey was about fighting evil. It was just something he sort of did partially because Team Rocket kept challenging him, partially because they were in his way and partially because he thought what they were doing was wrong. Though, you could argue with that and say the hero meant to disband Team Rocket or at least stop Giovanni, and being that he's a silent protagonist I couldn't argue with that but, it's kind of hard to think that he would have that in mind when he has other objectives and he's only ten. Quote:
In every game there are going to be parts where the players get stuck (except in simple games like pong). It's natural for that happen and your suppose to figure out a way to over come them. It doesn't mean necessarily, that the game is flawed and the game has to become easier. Quote:
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Even so, the point I was trying to make is that no matter how difficult a game is, so long as it isn't broken do not try to fix it by making it simple. Quote:
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I don't know, I just, I don't play other RPGs because I played Pokemon. I play other RPGs if they appeal to my interests and even then I've never been afraid to pick up a new game (unless it was in the horror genre). That's probably just me. Personally, there's very little chance that I would pick up Fire Emblem or Xenoblade, not because I'm afraid, but because it's nothing I'm interest in. I play Pokemon because I like Pokemon, not because it's a starter RPG but because it's a light hearted adventure in a world with magical creatures that you can befriend and watch grow. Quote:
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