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DarkReality March 14th, 2013 1:21 PM

There are a lot of possiblities with the typings of Xerneas and Yveltal.
Imo, i think Yveltal would be dark flying and Xerneas would be ice psychic. It's pretty hard to guess Xerneas's typing lol. In the trailer when Xerneas takes a step, you see something like mist appear and when it zooms out there is mist around Xerneas, thats why i think Xerneas would be part ice. But it's strange cuz it does not fit the foresty background it's in. I think it would be psychic so it would be weak to dark(yveltal). Also, both of the leg have an advantage.
ice>flying
Dark>psychic

Another thing is that Yveltal could be part ghost. either ghost/flying or ghost/dark with levitate such as flygon (dragon/ground)
What leads me to believe that is because it has blue eyes which it zooms in on and it seems blind. In a norse legend the "bird/dragon" is supposed to be a ghost or something supernatural.What do u guys think?

Zorogami March 14th, 2013 1:51 PM

I can see Yveltal as a flying type, maybe even a Dark type. Ghost could be possible i guess, but I don't think there is enough evidence to support that. As far as Xerneas goes though, i have a completely different feeling about his typing. I think Ice is really unlikely, as you said yourself, he is shown in a forest, so I'd place my bet on Grass rather than Ice. Psychic would fit though, maybe even Ghost. Or we might all be susprised and they both get a new type (maybe the same Sylveon will have) + something else (Flying and Grass maybe?)

Jake♫ March 14th, 2013 3:51 PM

I'm really rooting against a new typing for the legendaries. I'm hoping they share a common type with each other (and in this case I'm hoping either Psychic or Dark), and then have their own secondary typing that's neutral or super-effective against the other. Gives them a sense of balance I guess.

Zorogami March 14th, 2013 3:59 PM

I like the idea of the Legendaries sharing a type, especially if their second typing makes them super effective against each other. I just can't think of a combination that would fit...let's say they both are psychic. Yveltal does look like a flying type, Xerneas could be a grass type...but that would be unfair against Xerneas right?
On the other Hand, Kyogre was super effective against Groudon, so...

Ho-Oh March 16th, 2013 4:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7580162)
I feel that the moves they're going to have are going to be much more offensive than defensive, as is usual the case with unique moves specific to mascot legendaries (I haven't really hard if a defensive move that only a mascot legendary has, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong!). That said though, I feel that both of their moves would have something to do with manipulating DNA of some sort, maybe manipulate your Pokemon's type as some sort of side-effect. That'd be interesting. @[email protected]

Or... manipulate the opposing legendaries' forme? And on everything else reverse all the stats?? Actually I wonder if these legendaries might get alternate formes!

Zorogami March 16th, 2013 4:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7583204)
Actually I wonder if these legendaries might get alternate formes!

I'm really not the biggest fan of alternate forms, so i hope they don't. I think alternate forms are pretty fitting for some pokemon, especially Arceus, but it has been pretty much overused in legendaries, at least that's my opinion. And besides the Fusion feature in B2/W2, the 2 mascot legendaries have always only had one form, so i hope it stays that way

Itstoppedatumbreon March 16th, 2013 5:05 AM

I think Yveltal is Flying/Dark, and Xerneas is Ice psychic, seen as Ice beats flying, but dark beats psychic. Balanced

Itstoppedatumbreon March 16th, 2013 5:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7583290)
Would be plausible, but there's nothing on Xerneas' body that would indicate that it's an ice-type whatsoever. D: When you look at Ice Pokemon, they usually look...frozen (if that's a good word to describe them)? Some part of them would either be covered in ice, or there's something about their appearance that says they belong more in icy mountains than anywhere else.

Since we see Xerneas in a forest rather than in an icy climate, I think it's safe that we can rule out ice type, I think.

My reasoining was the mist around him in the forest (also could suggest ghost maybe?) and to a lesser extent the blue colouring. Oh well, just a though!

Ho-Oh March 17th, 2013 7:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7583290)
Would be plausible, but there's nothing on Xerneas' body that would indicate that it's an ice-type whatsoever. D: When you look at Ice Pokemon, they usually look...frozen (if that's a good word to describe them)? Some part of them would either be covered in ice, or there's something about their appearance that says they belong more in icy mountains than anywhere else.

Since we see Xerneas in a forest rather than in an icy climate, I think it's safe that we can rule out ice type, I think.

Well... it could be a rain forest where it's really cold and parts of it has frozen due to being there for so long??

Zorogami March 17th, 2013 9:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7583290)
Since we see Xerneas in a forest rather than in an icy climate, I think it's safe that we can rule out ice type, I think.

I also think Ice is rather unlikely, Grass or Ghost would make more sense. And rain forest are usually pretty hot and humid, not cold. I guess if the trailer shows him in a frozen forest, then Ice would be pretty much possible

Jake♫ March 17th, 2013 11:04 AM

Maybe it's antlers could be a suggestion for an Ice type? They almost look icicle-ish, and being multicolored could be from the light shining through them? Possible but I don't really see it happening to be honest.

MiTjA March 18th, 2013 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Itstoppedatumbreon (Post 7583246)
I think Yveltal is Flying/Dark, and Xerneas is Ice psychic, seen as Ice beats flying, but dark beats psychic. Balanced

Water>Ground

Their match-up is irrelevant.

Zorogami March 18th, 2013 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Jake♫ (Post 7585167)
Maybe it's antlers could be a suggestion for an Ice type? They almost look icicle-ish, and being multicolored could be from the light shining through them? Possible but I don't really see it happening to be honest.

That's actually a very interesting thought, and it even makes a lot of sense. I still think it's rather unlikely...i guess his antlers could be made of crystals or any other material that breaks light.
I'd be really surprised if he turned out to be an Ice type.



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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7586161)
Water>Ground

Their match-up is irrelevant.

Now this i can totally agree with. Just because the legendaries in DPPt and B/W all were dragons (thus being super effective against their counterparts), if you take away the dragon part, their second type is pretty much neutral or even not very effective. If we look back at past gens, legendaries didn't have balanced types, Kyogre and Groudon being the best example.

Neeni March 18th, 2013 12:43 AM

aren't legendy pokes names getting harder to pronounce or what? xD
anyways I was BLOWN when I saw the new legends! they're really majestic and excellent looking~ I'm going for Yveltal though since I think it looks a lot more original than Xerneas and just very catchy

about their types, I think GF is taking a new direction, making the typing very unclear from the looks of the pokemon. no one can really tell! but personally I think they will be:

Yveltal: Flying/Dark
Xerneas: Psychic/Ice

or at least that's what I want to see

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 18th, 2013 4:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Zorogami (Post 7586173)
That's actually a very interesting thought, and it even makes a lot of sense. I still think it's rather unlikely...i guess his antlers could be made of crystals or any other material that breaks light.
I'd be really surprised if he turned out to be an Ice type.





Now this i can totally agree with. Just because the legendaries in DPPt and B/W all were dragons (thus being super effective against their counterparts), if you take away the dragon part, their second type is pretty much neutral or even not very effective. If we look back at past gens, legendaries didn't have balanced types, Kyogre and Groudon being the best example.

Kyogre and Groudon are the only legendary mascot example however, the rest have all been balanced. The only other mascots who haven't been balanced are the non-legendary Kanto starters final evolutions (Charzard having two types that beat Venusaur's primary type). Also Kyogre beating Groudon makes sense as there's more water than land. While if the chromosomes legends had one that beat the other it would create an unfortunate implication, which no one wants.

Zorogami March 18th, 2013 4:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7587136)
however, the rest have all been balanced

They are only balanced because they are all dragons...take that away, their types seem pretty randomly chosen, no real balance there, at least not like people want Xerneas and Yveltal to be.

Jake♫ March 18th, 2013 5:13 PM

I think that the implication of the potential chromosome theory and genetics themes and with the X chromosome being better than Y or vice-versa, which is why people kind of want to keep them balanced. It could just have backlash that people don't want. I mean although it's not really saying that, it just makes sense from a PR standpoint if this is the case to make them balanced =P

giradialkia March 18th, 2013 6:16 PM

I still find it so strange that Nintendo haven't revealed their typing yet. Or the typing of Sylveon, for that matter. I'm pretty sure I remember Dialga and Palkia's typings to've been revealed relatively early after the announcement of DP, and the same goes for Reshiram and Zekrom.

Looking at Yveltal, it's hard to say that it could be anything but partially Flying, and considering it's colour scheme and general appearance, I'd say it'd be Dark too. I wouldn't complain if it were Dragon instead of Flying, but I'm good either way.

Xerneas... It's pretty hard to give a guess. I'd actually want to say Steel and Psychic, but really that's just me, going by certain aspects of its appearance.

Xander Olivieri March 18th, 2013 11:04 PM

The mascots never had any real balance. I don't know what you guys are talking about XD

Gen 2: Lugia, although was Psychic/Flying learned Water attacks naturally giving him a distinctive edge over Ho-oh who was Fire/Flying.

Gen 3: Groundon was weak to Kyogre due to Groudon beinf Ground typed and Kyogre being Water. You can say that ability wise they cancel each other out, but that is situational arguement. If Kyogre is slower than Groudon, Drizzle takes priority giving Kyogre an even further advantage. Even with Sun up, Groudon still taked STAB'd weakness from Kyogre.

Gen 4: Dialga is Steel and Dragon. His type match up gives him a very unique advantage over Palkia as he resists Water due to being part Dragon and his Steel's resistance cancels out his Dragon Weakness. So Dialga is not weak to Dragon attacks. Palkia on the other hand resists Steel due to being a water type, but is weak to Dragon. Dialga has the advantage over Palkia.

Gen 5: The only Generation where the two main mascots do not hinder one another by type or move pool. Electric and fire don't resist one another although Dragon resists both and each resist themselves. Reshiram is weak to more common attack types such as Ground and Rock, while Zekrom has to deal with Ground and Ice. So until Gen 5, the mascots were never on equal footing.

Xerneas being Psychic and Yveltal being Dark is quite possible. All type combinations are quite possible since we've only ever had one pair that was neutral towards one another.

I'd prefer a less Darkrai/Cresselia relationship though. We don't even know what they each stand for. There is the rumored Life and Death, but those are very morbid themes for a Pokemon Game. Not that its impossible, just not very likely. Xerneas could be an Ice type despite being in a forest. If the forest was near a mountain or cave, it fits in with a good deal of ice types that are found in a semi wooded area before a cave, near a mountain, or in the center of a mountain/mountain valley.

Too many unknowns about both to say anything is solid.

Zorogami March 19th, 2013 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7587424)
The mascots never had any real balance. I don't know what you guys are talking about XD

Gen 2: Lugia, although was Psychic/Flying learned Water attacks naturally giving him a distinctive edge over Ho-oh who was Fire/Flying.

Gen 3: Groundon was weak to Kyogre due to Groudon beinf Ground typed and Kyogre being Water. You can say that ability wise they cancel each other out, but that is situational arguement. If Kyogre is slower than Groudon, Drizzle takes priority giving Kyogre an even further advantage. Even with Sun up, Groudon still taked STAB'd weakness from Kyogre.

Gen 4: Dialga is Steel and Dragon. His type match up gives him a very unique advantage over Palkia as he resists Water due to being part Dragon and his Steel's resistance cancels out his Dragon Weakness. So Dialga is not weak to Dragon attacks. Palkia on the other hand resists Steel due to being a water type, but is weak to Dragon. Dialga has the advantage over Palkia.

Gen 5: The only Generation where the two main mascots do not hinder one another by type or move pool. Electric and fire don't resist one another although Dragon resists both and each resist themselves. Reshiram is weak to more common attack types such as Ground and Rock, while Zekrom has to deal with Ground and Ice. So until Gen 5, the mascots were never on equal footing.

^This is what i was talking about, just less detailed ^^
But Xander is completely right, there has never been a "true" balance between the legendaries...

I've recently watched the trailer again, and i have to say, now that i've seen that mist sourrounding Xerneas again, he really might be an Ice type more likely than i originally thought.
As for Life/Death being a theme, i think It's quite possible, as long as the games talk about it in a symbolic or "kid-friendly" way.

Guy March 20th, 2013 3:26 PM

Xerneas as an Ice-type? Hmmm...

I wouldn't rule out the possibility, but from the trailer it seemed to imply that he dwelled deep within a forest. The mist could have simply been used as a way to make it all feel very mysterious.

Ho-Oh March 20th, 2013 7:40 PM

Well... actually, what if Xerneas is fighting/steel, and based on forme it changes to Ice/Steel, and Grass/Steel, while Yveltal would be Dark/Flying, Dark/Dragon and Dark/Fire! idk I like the idea of being able to fit in all the relative typings into one :3

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 20th, 2013 10:26 PM

Perhaps Xerneas is Psychic/Fighting, while Yvetal is Dark/Flying or Dark/Dragon.

Ho-Oh March 21st, 2013 8:28 AM

Well fighting/steel probably wouldn't be the base forme of it. Maybe the base forme changes between games!

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 21st, 2013 8:45 AM

I wouldn't like them to change formes tbh.
Perhaps Xerneas is part Ghost as Ghosts can have mist surround them sort of like Giratina's place in DP...
Or maybe Xerneas is simply pure Steel. We haven't had a pure type mascot since RS, since Emerald they've all (not counting HgSs) been duel types with one of those types being Dragon.

Ho-Oh March 21st, 2013 8:52 AM

Just steel would make like, 100% sense imo. I'd love to think it's a dual-typed Pokemon so it's creative but Steel makes SO MUCH SENSE because it outright doesn't fit into anything else. So yes, I'm for this!

Jake♫ March 21st, 2013 4:37 PM

I am so over having form-changing legendaries. It's gotten to the point where it's just being absued now. The Kami Trio didn't need them at all, and I don't think Keldeo did either, especially the change is so minor. Giving Kyurem it's forms I thought was just silly too. I mean I get it was the entire plot of the story, but I still didn't like it at all =P. Shaymin's at least made sense and was given backstory.

So no, I don't want Xerneas and Yveltal to change forms =P

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 21st, 2013 5:07 PM

Thus far only Gen 1 had a Duel and a single type mascot pair however that was for the International versions...so Japan has had them all match, I guess that point would make Xerneas less likely to be a pure type due to Yvetal's appearance as a duel type...unless they stray away and do another Gen 1 Int version. Or maybe Yvetal is Dark and has levitate as it's ability...it would be trolling of GF if that was true but than again Darkrai is pure Dark rather than Dark/Ghost, and Elektross isn't part water...

Ho-Oh March 21st, 2013 5:26 PM

Well if they were single types, Yveltal could be just dark. I mean, Darkrai is dark and can float, soooo.

antemortem March 21st, 2013 6:13 PM

I don't want either to change formes or types, either. I'm tired of this 'we as developers can't decide on types that will make us and the public happy, so we'll just make a new item/attack/ability that lets them change to x at will!' stuff we've been getting the past couple of generations. The alternate formes thing was enjoyable when it was a new concept but it's starting to get old, at least to me.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 21st, 2013 7:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7591244)
For me personally, I suppose I don't mind alternate forms. Are they starting to get old? Possibly, but to me, there has to be a purpose behind those said forms. I mean, why was it necessary that the Kami trio needed one? I mean, I suppose they all were doing fine without them?

I just want them to all have a reason, is what I'm saying, and not being made just for the heck of it.

I think that generation V should've explained those forms better, as it makes sense as Gods have both human and animal forms in some myths. Also Generation IV/s were well explained, and so were generation III's with Castform's thing being adapting to the weather, and Deoxys to it's environment, and Giratina having different formes between realms as Anti-matter would explode in this realm...so I saw it as it turning to a forme more suitable for this world.

Anyways on topic, I would like it if the two legends were masters like Gen II's mascots.

Ho-Oh March 22nd, 2013 8:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Antemortem (Post 7591229)
I don't want either to change formes or types, either. I'm tired of this 'we as developers can't decide on types that will make us and the public happy, so we'll just make a new item/attack/ability that lets them change to x at will!' stuff we've been getting the past couple of generations. The alternate formes thing was enjoyable when it was a new concept but it's starting to get old, at least to me.

It would give the games longevity though, as they can release forme events, etc, and GF likes that, so mascot formes isn't completely out of the picture.

Jake♫ March 22nd, 2013 11:06 AM

It doesn't really increase longevity though. It releases a new form. That's it. It doesn't add anything new for the games itself other than a new form. There's no new gameplay, nothing exciting. Plus, if Unova was any indication we're not going to get any backstory for new forms, other than maybe a three minute explanation. I'd rather be given some sort of DLC with some new content before I'd take new forms.

Ho-Oh March 22nd, 2013 8:40 PM

Who knows, they could put more time into discussing "sometimes Yveltal appeared with another forme and scared off all that opposed it..." or something along those lines? Like the back story could be extended upon.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 23rd, 2013 11:20 AM

I'll imagine that Gf would've hinted at them having new formes like they did with Kyurem shortly before the reveal of B2W2. Thus far however there doesn't seem to be much...imo there's more of a chance that they'll get a new type than formes...

Ho-Oh March 24th, 2013 9:28 AM

Well they are holding back on information and maybe they're not trying to overwhelm us, and will tell us at a later point that they have alternate formes!

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 24th, 2013 4:27 PM

Maybe both of them will be part Ghost. Xerneas could be our much awaited Ghost/Steel, and Yvetal our latest Ghost/Flying since Drifblim.

MiTjA March 25th, 2013 2:12 AM

I think you guys are missing something with the "dual type or single type mascots" thing, which Ive already mentioned.

(I ignore gen I as there wasnt yet a plot and legend involved and all that just the freakin starters on the covers, nothing thought through yet, they just had to put something on)
Every mascot so far was either:
-single type (Ground, Water)
-+Flying (Psychic, Fire, Dragon)
-+Dragon (Steel, Water, Ghost, Fire, Electric, Ice)

(when you look whats missing: Normal, Grass, Fighting, Poison, Bug, Rock, Dark - I find it extremely surprising Grass hasnt seen the light yet.)

Dragon was added for epicness or because they ARE dragons
And Flying was added because it freakin flies

These are JUST COMMON SENSE DUAL TYPES, not "jesus christ its Psychic AND Electric holy ****."
Just as a mascot resembeling an insect would have been Bug!

From that view:
NO mascot was really a dual type pokemon.

They never have more than one "elemental" (for a lack of better word) type.


Therefore my reasoning for them being more likely again "pure" types:
-Grass
-Dark/Flying
(gamefreak wouldn't throw a fancy second type on Xerneas to make up for Yveltal being one, because the Flying part is just the common sense part, not the "oh my god its dual type" thing)


I'm not saying they would never make fancy dual types for legends, just probably not as long as there is still simple stuff to milk like.... pure Grass LOL

MiTjA March 25th, 2013 5:47 AM

Normal would be interesting to see indeed o:

Ho-Oh March 25th, 2013 9:16 AM

Normal... Neither of them really look normal so I would wonder where that'd fit in tbh.

Echidna March 25th, 2013 10:20 AM

Hmm, a Normal type mascot. That would indeed be very interesting, though I'd prefer they not waste a sub-type on Normal when they can utilize it for something else. I DON'T EVEN KNOW OK.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 25th, 2013 11:07 AM

Normal... hmm maybe Xerneas is Poison...we need a legend of that type, and mascot if we're not counting Venusaur here... however Poison is even less likely than Normal imo.

VentusS March 25th, 2013 1:09 PM

the y verison legendary looks beast, however it looks quite odd when it's in ... Y formation...

MiTjA March 25th, 2013 1:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7595432)
Normal... Neither of them really look normal so I would wonder where that'd fit in tbh.

A pokemon is given the Normal type when it has no other type association, there is no "Normal look", it is the absence of elemental features.

And given how no one seems to figure any type that others recognize, it even sounds like the most realistic possibility here (feels like the whole Sylveon dilemma now that I think about it LOL)...personally I thought it would be a conceptual Grass just like most of the other mascots don't show their type but it makes perfect sense in plot-context, but there is people suggesting about just every type from Electric, Ice, Steel, Psychic, being the more prominent ones..

Jake♫ March 25th, 2013 7:01 PM

I think the difference here is that we all see aspects of those different typings, not the lack of any in particular. That's why I'm personally against it being Normal typed. It's definitely possible, but I don't see it happening. Plus, Normal typing doesn't really scream "legendary" to me, but then again we do have Meloetta (although it's dual-typed =P).

MiTjA March 26th, 2013 5:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jake♫ (Post 7596000)
I think the difference here is that we all see aspects of those different typings, not the lack of any in particular. That's why I'm personally against it being Normal typed. It's definitely possible, but I don't see it happening. Plus, Normal typing doesn't really scream "legendary" to me, but then again we do have Meloetta (although it's dual-typed =P).

And Arceus and Regigigas ;)

Yeah, it probably won't be Normal, but the possibility is more realistic than say... Bug, Dragon or something.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 26th, 2013 9:15 AM

I will be speechless if Xerneas were Bug lol. Yeah those are the least likely along with Poison.

bookishangel March 26th, 2013 10:12 AM

I don't really care what type Xerneas turns out to be. I'm just in love with its design! I mean it's just such a beautiful pokemon. That's why I'm getting X version no matter what.

JayTheKing March 26th, 2013 12:39 PM

Hey listen to this.This is my edition of Xerneas pokedex entry

Xerneas-Transportation Pokemon

It gathers souls from deceased pokemon and humans with its antlers.
When it has a great amount of them the antlers shine brightly indicating that it has to go deposit the souls in the underworld.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 26th, 2013 5:35 PM

True, they look awesome. It really says a lot when we can't figure out the types of the new Pokémon except for the starters. Makes me eager to see the third legend...if they don't pull a Suicune on us that is.

Archeops12354 March 27th, 2013 1:20 AM

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Originally Posted by JayTheKing (Post 7596930)
It gathers souls from deceased pokemon and humans with its antlers. When it has a great amount of them the antlers shine brightly indicating that it has to go deposit the souls in the underworld.

That is a pretty sweet pokedex entry, and it makes sense with his antlers glowing different colours (represents the dead pokemons type, eg. One of his antlers glows red, so it could be the soul(s) of a fire pokemon). However I question Xerneas' relation to the underworld, I think that Yveltal would be a better candidate for this job due to his demon-like design.

Ho-Oh March 27th, 2013 1:32 AM

I think that sounds awesome honestly. Gathering souls with antlers...

I guess it'd make it some kind of reaper really :x

MiTjA March 27th, 2013 5:58 AM

4 sets of antlers you say? how about the four horsemen?
/random

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 27th, 2013 8:04 AM

I've read that the stags may represent the four winds or the four elements. If winds than perhaps Xerneas is part Normal after all (since there's no wind type I see Normal and Flying as it's substitutes). If elements then maybe Xerneas secondary typing will change depending on an item...
Of course though we aren't really sure if they are based on Norse myth. And even if they are it doesn't mean it's typing is impacted by it...after all Lugia wasn't Dragon/Water despite having been based on a Japanese sea god who happens to be a Dragon (however it does show up in it's move pool...).

Ho-Oh March 27th, 2013 8:12 AM

I can't see it being related to wind at all... like, really. :x I mean Steel I get, and Fighting, and Grass, etc, but wind/flying, despite what it represents I just don't see how it is, given that Yveltal was the one in the sky anyway.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 27th, 2013 8:19 AM

It can also be ghost as one can make the case for wind being ghosty, especially with Ominous wind. Ghost matches it best imo.

Ho-Oh March 27th, 2013 8:25 AM

Still, it does look kind of steel plated, like part steel part... crystal, I guess. :x

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 27th, 2013 8:31 AM

I think it's Steel/Ghost or Steel/Psychic if it's a duel type.

MiTjA March 27th, 2013 8:55 AM

Maybe it represents the sword of justice members ;D

JayTheKing March 27th, 2013 9:36 AM

I found something interesting about Yveltal and the light type.
Yveltal is supposed to be a Quetzalcoatl
In the west(France-Western Europe) the Quetzalcoatl was the god of light, mercy and wind
But the point is that that Quetzalcoatl was white not red and black like yveltal(Well white is faintly seen his eye color)The red one was the god of gold, farming and Spring time
The Black one the god of judgment, night, deceit, sorcery and the Earth

So lets say that they only go with the West and not with the colors
Light/Flying??

How about this pokedex entry

Yveltal-Judgement Pokemon

Yveltal watches the world and senses any kind of injustice.If it spots one it will dive from the sky to find its target.If the criminal has regretted Yveltal shall purify his soul by emitting a light from its body.If he hasnt Yveltal emits a dark aura and a terrible fate awaits the criminal.

Big entry i know.I believe Yveltal will be the primary target of the criminal organization because it senses injustice so they will want to stop it.

I firmly believe that Yveltal shall serve justice and will be intolerant to anything opposing it.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 27th, 2013 9:57 AM

It's actually Aztec which I don't consider west per say as it was west culture that conquered it. Anyways the justice thing is interesting, if Xerneas is somehow related to the Swords of Justice (Muskeeters) then perhaps both can be about Justice...

Shiny Celebi March 27th, 2013 12:09 PM

I dont think they are related. Xerneas looks different, and there are 4 members(including Keldeo), Cobalion being the assumed trio master. I think its possible they may be new types and Ive seen a lot of speculation about that. I find it kinda hard to predict their typings. For existing ones I see Yveltal being Dark/Flying. For Xerneas,it's more difficult. Its legs are sword like so Id say a Steel typing may not be far off. It was seen near a forest near a large tree so Id say maybe a Grass type? This also might imply Xerneas is a type of forest guardian or something.

Ive also seen speculation that Xerneas represents the Greek goddess Artemis,and Yveltal represents Apollo, so maybe a Greek mythology influence is at work?

MiTjA March 27th, 2013 2:04 PM

There is no trio master for the musketeers, Keldeo is a special extra member. If anything he is the adoptee rather than any kind of master. Its role can be compared to Regigigas for golems or Rayquaza for the RS mascots or Landorus for the Kami (except that all those were actually still superior in their obvious group), but it cannot be compared with Ho-oh and Lugia as the beast and birds guardians (who the trio master term was actually inspired by), which is the kind of role I was suggesting for Xerneas to the musketeers as a very equal quartet, as unlikely as that may be.

Gamefreak doesnt share the poorly defined fanon concept of "trio masters". In fact its like every generation they add a slightly more deviating kind of "extra member", which, after a few more, will probably result in new terms being coined for groupings, or a more generalized term that does not limit to a specific number (trio), or a superior role (master). IMO its already outdated now, but what can I do lol.



Anyhow back to Xerneas.

It sure does look different (in that it is not "just another musketeer" like Keldeo), but so do good old Ho-oh and Lugia to their respective groups. With the 4 sets of antlers and a deep association with nature (I am guessing) it would actually have SOME conceptual connection to them.
Also, the musketeers originate from France, although this likely doesn't mean a thing.

What fascinates me about the idea though, is that it would imply a trio+extra with a connecton to "Yveltal".. would they be some kind of incarnations of bad things? Perhaps as polar opposites to musketeers, wield secondary Dark types? Would they be airborne? If yes, some kind of Wyverns or perhaps a second set of legendary birds even?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 27th, 2013 5:15 PM

Well I've read that in the tree are also a golden **** and an owl along with the Eagle so perhaps it can be a duo master, or a "trio"master like Rayquaza. If they do a Golden Rooster I imagine a Steel/Dark, and a Psychic/Dark for the owl...the Owl having levitate.

Anyways another Johto style take on the legends is much desired (by me and a few others).

Ho-Oh March 28th, 2013 5:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JayTheKing (Post 7597831)
Yveltal watches the world and senses any kind of injustice.If it spots one it will dive from the sky to find its target.If the criminal has regretted Yveltal shall purify his soul by emitting a light from its body.If he hasnt Yveltal emits a dark aura and a terrible fate awaits the criminal.

Big entry i know.I believe Yveltal will be the primary target of the criminal organization because it senses injustice so they will want to stop it.

I firmly believe that Yveltal shall serve justice and will be intolerant to anything opposing it.

Yeahh while it could be related to the Sword of Justice... I think a tie back to Unova like that is too much. Plus Yveltal doesn't really seem like... a good Pokemon? It actually LOOKS dark/evil. Like you couldn't trust it. :(

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 28th, 2013 8:10 AM

Well look at Giratina...that thing looks evil yet it saved both it's world and the Pokéworld. Kyurem also looks somewhat evil yet it's more neutral (that how I saw it), heck even Zekrom looks somewhat evil with those sinister red eyes.

One who has been a fan for this long should know there's no such thing as a true evil Pokémon. Besides...maybe Yvetal is like Absol, tries to warn but people don't listen due to it's appearance.

Ho-Oh March 28th, 2013 9:07 AM

Hmmm well it could still be associated to bad, and if it is like Absol it would bring bad and that isn't really positive for it. :(

Both legendaries look crazy srs though...

JayTheKing March 28th, 2013 12:04 PM

I didnt meant Yveltal to be The musketters' boss.I thought of just a pokemon that serves justice and punishes wrongdoers.
It could also use its wings and tail as a kind of scale to measure the evil.

disciplish March 28th, 2013 12:07 PM

They're supposed to look serious, aren't they? They're the main legends lol.

Whaddya think they're thinking of doing next though? I mean, there is a rumor about a quartet of card suits (king, queen, jack, and ace). I dunno if that was covered before, though.


*sinks back into corner*

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 28th, 2013 1:21 PM

Well I speculated on a card suit quartet of Spade,Heart, Diamond, and Clover...than that fake rumor came so I think someone's been reading our speculation and making us think it's come true... don't be surprise if some rumor comes that says the legends have formes, or are ghosts, or that Xerneas is the ice/rock or Ice/steel, etc.

Either way no one said Yvetal was the master, we said Xerneas lol. I hope we get some more details on their theme soon.

Ho-Oh March 29th, 2013 7:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DeLaMuerte (Post 7599054)
They're supposed to look serious, aren't they? They're the main legends lol.

The others looked less serious, though! Like these ones look legit evil. Well, Yveltal, but yeah. I also kind of wonder how high the base stats of these legendaries will be. I wonder if they'll be instantly thrown into Ubers, too :(

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 29th, 2013 9:56 AM

All 680 bst are, so I'm guessing they'll follow suit.
It be lame if we ever had a 680 mascot in NU...it'll have to do worse than having a 4x weakness as Celebi (while not a mascot, though it should've been imo, is still a quite powerful legend despite it's lower bst) is still ranked highly last time I checked despite being 4x weak against Bug, and Genosect's 4x weakness against fire...

Even to get to OU they'll need to have a major flaw.

I hope there isn't a bst creep like the last two gens when it comes to legends, I think Kyurem and Arceus being 2nd and 1st in those areas are good for now.

Crystal Noel March 29th, 2013 10:03 AM

I really hope neither have a 4x weakness. That would make them very undesirable to have on your team, especially in competitive battling. No debilitating abilities either, Regigigas would have been awesome without Slow Start, same with Slaking and Traunt. I still am pulling for a Light-type on Xerneas, Light type is way over due. The rumor is that new types may be introduced.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 29th, 2013 10:32 AM

Yeah, those kinds of abilities are the only thing I see making them NU...
My hopes for a Light type have gone down tbh. I don't really see Xerneas being light anymore.

Crystal Noel March 29th, 2013 10:38 AM

It could be a dualism concept. Xerneas is Light, Yvaltal is Dark. Considering BW's mascots were based off of Taoism it is possible.

Ho-Oh March 29th, 2013 10:42 AM

It could be possible although if that's the case it'd basically imply one gender is evil and one gender is good, due to being most likely based around chromosomes. :( and light is good while dark is evil...

Guy March 29th, 2013 10:53 AM

After Black and White, any hope I had for a Light-type went down the drain. With all the secrecy over Xerneas and Yveltal's type, one does have to wonder if they'll pull out something from under the rug and slap on a new type to each of them. I'm just not sure if they will.

Actually, thinking about their type(s), I'd be totally okay if Xerneas and Yveltal were both just one type instead of two.

JayTheKing March 29th, 2013 12:22 PM

Yveltal could be the master of Night while Xerneas the master of Day.
And the third legendary could be the master of ....well a world that has neither day nor night but is trapped and cant exert its power.You know how was the future world in PMD:Explorers of Darkness/Time with Prima Dialga.

Crystal Noel March 29th, 2013 4:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7600203)
It could be possible although if that's the case it'd basically imply one gender is evil and one gender is good, due to being most likely based around chromosomes. :( and light is good while dark is evil...

That inference had nothing to do with the X and Y naming. I based it off of the appearance of the Pokémon. As a side note both genders have the X chromosomes. It is just the presence of a Y as opposed to a second X that determines gender. Typically Pokémon Games are named after the mascots.
  • Red => Charizard/Fire
  • Green => Venasaur/Green
  • Blue => Blastoise/Water
  • Yellow => Pikachu/Electric
  • Gold => The color of Ho-oh when Ash sees it in the first episode
  • Silver => Lugia is referred to as a silver colored Pokémon
  • Crystal => the Crystal Bell is the item that summons Suicune
  • Ruby => Groudon and Rubies are the same color
  • Sapphire => Kyogre and Sapphires are the same color
  • Emerald => Raquaza and Emeralds are the same color
  • Diamond => Dialga has a Diamond like gem in its chest
  • Pearl => Palkia has Pearls in its shoulders
  • Platinum => Giratina has Grey in its color scheme the same color as the Element Platinum
  • Black => the color of Zekrom the enemy of Zekrom/Black Kyurem
  • White => the color of Reshiram the enemy of Zekrom/White Kyurem
  • X=> the X in Xerneas's eyes
  • Y => the shape of Yvaltal

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 29th, 2013 6:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JayTheKing (Post 7600302)
Yveltal could be the master of Night while Xerneas the master of Day.
And the third legendary could be the master of ....well a world that has neither day nor night but is trapped and cant exert its power.You know how was the future world in PMD:Explorers of Darkness/Time with Prima Dialga.

That's actually a pretty cool idea. Perhaps Z (as I'm dubbing it for now) is the Master of Eternal Twilight (eternal twilight seems to appear the most in games such as Twilight town in Kingdom Hearts, and I believe Zelda's Twilight Princess also had eternal Twilight.) or M.E.T if one wants to shorten it.

Ho-Oh March 31st, 2013 4:44 AM

Master of day and night is pretty awesome. Except... Xerneas doesn't really look like a master of day, and same for Yveltal. :'(

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 31st, 2013 3:48 PM

Maybe they're the guardians of Eden and Heaven respectively...and the third is against them.

Stormborn March 31st, 2013 6:17 PM

Yveltal is honestly one of the cooler legendaries they've made in recent times.

Dragon/Dark would be cool but Dark/Flying just as awesome.

Crystal Noel March 31st, 2013 6:27 PM

I personally don't know which one I like better. Which causes major problems in deciding which version to get.

BrandoSheriff April 1st, 2013 10:24 AM

As long as Skybacon isn't part dragon type, I'll be content. I'm honestly getting tired of all the dragon type legendaries.

Whispeon April 1st, 2013 2:21 PM

They look so awesome, I can't wait to hear what the story is behind them!

Ho-Oh April 1st, 2013 9:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7603143)
Maybe they're the guardians of Eden and Heaven respectively...and the third is against them.

Hey that actually makes a lot of sense... but it'd make more sense if Yveltal was originally seen in Heaven and not just in the sky :(

Yusshin April 1st, 2013 10:43 PM

Both are amazing and innovative. I'm really impressed with Nintendo this time around for the legendaries. No more trash designs like Trubbish and Vanillite!

I am a bit biased towards the deer/elk, though. It reminds me of Mononoke Hime - favourite film ever - which compels me to favour it over the phoenix-bird. I'll be buying the version that features X for sure.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 2nd, 2013 7:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7605140)
Hey that actually makes a lot of sense... but it'd make more sense if Yveltal was originally seen in Heaven and not just in the sky :(

Maybe they were thinking of Heaven= Sky when they made this trailor thus showing it in the sky. It's possible it's based on Japanese home land of the gods too. Amaterasu is in charge of the Shinto gods heaven so perhaps Yvetal really is based on her crow, the Yatagasu. and this is only part of it's wiki page

"In Japanese mythology, this flying creature is a raven or a Jungle Crow called Yatagarasu (八咫烏?, "eight-span crow") [13] and the appearance of the great bird is construed as evidence of the will of Heaven or divine intervention in human affairs.[ "
if it is based on it there's a chance the justice theory may be true...

Rebel Rebel April 2nd, 2013 8:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Crystal Noel (Post 7603470)
I personally don't know which one I like better. Which causes major problems in deciding which version to get.

Same here, though I decided to go with X since I usually get the second version while my brother gets the first. I'm sure he's going to pick Yveltal, which is fine with me since Xerneas is just as cool.

XeroNos April 2nd, 2013 11:59 PM

Do you guys think they will feature another legendary equal to these two and maybe make another sequel after them much like what they are doing for the past 5 generations?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 3rd, 2013 7:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7606305)
I'd be iffy if that was the origin behind them. We don't want anymore controversies surrounding Pokemon than we have currently, and incorporating Heavenly bodies into it would only fuel the fire, imo.

Well Arceus is based on Shiva, they can make it like that. Also Lugia is based on a Shinto Sea Dragon god (the father of Toyotahime who married Amaterasu's greatgrandson.), and the Weather trio are based on Hebrew myths of old...and Shaymin is named/based after part of the Jewish version of heaven already...

Ho-Oh April 5th, 2013 1:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7606305)
I'd be iffy if that was the origin behind them. We don't want anymore controversies surrounding Pokemon than we have currently, and incorporating Heavenly bodies into it would only fuel the fire, imo.

I don't think so!! I mean... we have a God Pokemon, so being based around Heaven or anything like that isn't really that... far in terms of difference? :x

MarinoKadame April 5th, 2013 9:10 AM

Only need to have pokemons based on Christianity next, you have lot of demon names and archangel names in this.

Foxrally April 5th, 2013 9:23 AM

Well, these two just confirm everyone's speculations on new types.

There's Xerenas with his Light-horns (A cousin of sawsbuck, santler and virizion, i suppose?), which confirms light type.

And then they're my personal favourite, yvetal, which seems to have soundwaves on its body. It's also often seen in a vertical position, which might mean it's sending out waves and vibrations.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 5th, 2013 10:08 AM

They don't confirm anything, people thought Light was going to appear in Gen V due to Reshiram's angel like appearance but it didn't, with Reshiram being Dragon/Fire.

Anyways I've had this thought for awhile, what if Xerneas is Steel/Electric with the horns being lit up by it's internal electricity? Lighting can sometimes look branched out too like horns. While the horns don't look electrical per say it is a possibility. Or maybe it's Grass/Electric...that'll be unique ;3

BrandoSheriff April 5th, 2013 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7610422)
They don't confirm anything, people thought Light was going to appear in Gen V due to Reshiram's angel like appearance but it didn't, with Reshiram being Dragon/Fire.

Anyways I've had this thought for awhile, what if Xerneas is Steel/Electric with the horns being lit up by it's internal electricity? Lighting can sometimes look branched out too like horns. While the horns don't look electrical per say it is a possibility. Or maybe it's Grass/Electric...that'll be unique ;3

That Steel/Electric prediction is pretty good. I can see that, Jingledeer's horns being electric-powered. It seems like a possibility. For Skybacon, however, it seems that the most obvious typing is Dark/Flying. But we've been surprised with types before.

I also disagree with some of you about Light-type and all that stuff. I believe that's it, no more types will be introduced. There is no Light-type, Sound-type, or anything. It just seems like a real hassle to add another one, and possibly make previous Pokemon that type as well, along with balancing. Don't get me wrong, a new type would be cool, but I don't see it happening, at least not now. xD

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 5th, 2013 10:47 AM

I'll be surprised if Yvetal isn't a mix of the following types: Ghost,Dark, or Fire as it's Primary type with Dragon,or Flying as it's secondary type. As it doesn't seem like it could be anything else...

Ho-Oh April 5th, 2013 8:05 PM

It has to be part flying or dragon imo, otherwise I'm not sure how it'd get into the air. XD;

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 6th, 2013 7:51 AM

Well I guess they could give it Levitate like they did with Flygon and the Latis...


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