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Archeops12354 March 27th, 2013 1:20 AM

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Originally Posted by JayTheKing (Post 7596930)
It gathers souls from deceased pokemon and humans with its antlers. When it has a great amount of them the antlers shine brightly indicating that it has to go deposit the souls in the underworld.

That is a pretty sweet pokedex entry, and it makes sense with his antlers glowing different colours (represents the dead pokemons type, eg. One of his antlers glows red, so it could be the soul(s) of a fire pokemon). However I question Xerneas' relation to the underworld, I think that Yveltal would be a better candidate for this job due to his demon-like design.

Ho-Oh March 27th, 2013 1:32 AM

I think that sounds awesome honestly. Gathering souls with antlers...

I guess it'd make it some kind of reaper really :x

MiTjA March 27th, 2013 5:58 AM

4 sets of antlers you say? how about the four horsemen?
/random

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 27th, 2013 8:04 AM

I've read that the stags may represent the four winds or the four elements. If winds than perhaps Xerneas is part Normal after all (since there's no wind type I see Normal and Flying as it's substitutes). If elements then maybe Xerneas secondary typing will change depending on an item...
Of course though we aren't really sure if they are based on Norse myth. And even if they are it doesn't mean it's typing is impacted by it...after all Lugia wasn't Dragon/Water despite having been based on a Japanese sea god who happens to be a Dragon (however it does show up in it's move pool...).

Ho-Oh March 27th, 2013 8:12 AM

I can't see it being related to wind at all... like, really. :x I mean Steel I get, and Fighting, and Grass, etc, but wind/flying, despite what it represents I just don't see how it is, given that Yveltal was the one in the sky anyway.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 27th, 2013 8:19 AM

It can also be ghost as one can make the case for wind being ghosty, especially with Ominous wind. Ghost matches it best imo.

Ho-Oh March 27th, 2013 8:25 AM

Still, it does look kind of steel plated, like part steel part... crystal, I guess. :x

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 27th, 2013 8:31 AM

I think it's Steel/Ghost or Steel/Psychic if it's a duel type.

MiTjA March 27th, 2013 8:55 AM

Maybe it represents the sword of justice members ;D

JayTheKing March 27th, 2013 9:36 AM

I found something interesting about Yveltal and the light type.
Yveltal is supposed to be a Quetzalcoatl
In the west(France-Western Europe) the Quetzalcoatl was the god of light, mercy and wind
But the point is that that Quetzalcoatl was white not red and black like yveltal(Well white is faintly seen his eye color)The red one was the god of gold, farming and Spring time
The Black one the god of judgment, night, deceit, sorcery and the Earth

So lets say that they only go with the West and not with the colors
Light/Flying??

How about this pokedex entry

Yveltal-Judgement Pokemon

Yveltal watches the world and senses any kind of injustice.If it spots one it will dive from the sky to find its target.If the criminal has regretted Yveltal shall purify his soul by emitting a light from its body.If he hasnt Yveltal emits a dark aura and a terrible fate awaits the criminal.

Big entry i know.I believe Yveltal will be the primary target of the criminal organization because it senses injustice so they will want to stop it.

I firmly believe that Yveltal shall serve justice and will be intolerant to anything opposing it.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 27th, 2013 9:57 AM

It's actually Aztec which I don't consider west per say as it was west culture that conquered it. Anyways the justice thing is interesting, if Xerneas is somehow related to the Swords of Justice (Muskeeters) then perhaps both can be about Justice...

Shiny Celebi March 27th, 2013 12:09 PM

I dont think they are related. Xerneas looks different, and there are 4 members(including Keldeo), Cobalion being the assumed trio master. I think its possible they may be new types and Ive seen a lot of speculation about that. I find it kinda hard to predict their typings. For existing ones I see Yveltal being Dark/Flying. For Xerneas,it's more difficult. Its legs are sword like so Id say a Steel typing may not be far off. It was seen near a forest near a large tree so Id say maybe a Grass type? This also might imply Xerneas is a type of forest guardian or something.

Ive also seen speculation that Xerneas represents the Greek goddess Artemis,and Yveltal represents Apollo, so maybe a Greek mythology influence is at work?

MiTjA March 27th, 2013 2:04 PM

There is no trio master for the musketeers, Keldeo is a special extra member. If anything he is the adoptee rather than any kind of master. Its role can be compared to Regigigas for golems or Rayquaza for the RS mascots or Landorus for the Kami (except that all those were actually still superior in their obvious group), but it cannot be compared with Ho-oh and Lugia as the beast and birds guardians (who the trio master term was actually inspired by), which is the kind of role I was suggesting for Xerneas to the musketeers as a very equal quartet, as unlikely as that may be.

Gamefreak doesnt share the poorly defined fanon concept of "trio masters". In fact its like every generation they add a slightly more deviating kind of "extra member", which, after a few more, will probably result in new terms being coined for groupings, or a more generalized term that does not limit to a specific number (trio), or a superior role (master). IMO its already outdated now, but what can I do lol.



Anyhow back to Xerneas.

It sure does look different (in that it is not "just another musketeer" like Keldeo), but so do good old Ho-oh and Lugia to their respective groups. With the 4 sets of antlers and a deep association with nature (I am guessing) it would actually have SOME conceptual connection to them.
Also, the musketeers originate from France, although this likely doesn't mean a thing.

What fascinates me about the idea though, is that it would imply a trio+extra with a connecton to "Yveltal".. would they be some kind of incarnations of bad things? Perhaps as polar opposites to musketeers, wield secondary Dark types? Would they be airborne? If yes, some kind of Wyverns or perhaps a second set of legendary birds even?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 27th, 2013 5:15 PM

Well I've read that in the tree are also a golden **** and an owl along with the Eagle so perhaps it can be a duo master, or a "trio"master like Rayquaza. If they do a Golden Rooster I imagine a Steel/Dark, and a Psychic/Dark for the owl...the Owl having levitate.

Anyways another Johto style take on the legends is much desired (by me and a few others).

Ho-Oh March 28th, 2013 5:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayTheKing (Post 7597831)
Yveltal watches the world and senses any kind of injustice.If it spots one it will dive from the sky to find its target.If the criminal has regretted Yveltal shall purify his soul by emitting a light from its body.If he hasnt Yveltal emits a dark aura and a terrible fate awaits the criminal.

Big entry i know.I believe Yveltal will be the primary target of the criminal organization because it senses injustice so they will want to stop it.

I firmly believe that Yveltal shall serve justice and will be intolerant to anything opposing it.

Yeahh while it could be related to the Sword of Justice... I think a tie back to Unova like that is too much. Plus Yveltal doesn't really seem like... a good Pokemon? It actually LOOKS dark/evil. Like you couldn't trust it. :(

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 28th, 2013 8:10 AM

Well look at Giratina...that thing looks evil yet it saved both it's world and the Pokéworld. Kyurem also looks somewhat evil yet it's more neutral (that how I saw it), heck even Zekrom looks somewhat evil with those sinister red eyes.

One who has been a fan for this long should know there's no such thing as a true evil Pokémon. Besides...maybe Yvetal is like Absol, tries to warn but people don't listen due to it's appearance.

Ho-Oh March 28th, 2013 9:07 AM

Hmmm well it could still be associated to bad, and if it is like Absol it would bring bad and that isn't really positive for it. :(

Both legendaries look crazy srs though...

JayTheKing March 28th, 2013 12:04 PM

I didnt meant Yveltal to be The musketters' boss.I thought of just a pokemon that serves justice and punishes wrongdoers.
It could also use its wings and tail as a kind of scale to measure the evil.

disciplish March 28th, 2013 12:07 PM

They're supposed to look serious, aren't they? They're the main legends lol.

Whaddya think they're thinking of doing next though? I mean, there is a rumor about a quartet of card suits (king, queen, jack, and ace). I dunno if that was covered before, though.


*sinks back into corner*

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 28th, 2013 1:21 PM

Well I speculated on a card suit quartet of Spade,Heart, Diamond, and Clover...than that fake rumor came so I think someone's been reading our speculation and making us think it's come true... don't be surprise if some rumor comes that says the legends have formes, or are ghosts, or that Xerneas is the ice/rock or Ice/steel, etc.

Either way no one said Yvetal was the master, we said Xerneas lol. I hope we get some more details on their theme soon.

Ho-Oh March 29th, 2013 7:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DeLaMuerte (Post 7599054)
They're supposed to look serious, aren't they? They're the main legends lol.

The others looked less serious, though! Like these ones look legit evil. Well, Yveltal, but yeah. I also kind of wonder how high the base stats of these legendaries will be. I wonder if they'll be instantly thrown into Ubers, too :(

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 29th, 2013 9:56 AM

All 680 bst are, so I'm guessing they'll follow suit.
It be lame if we ever had a 680 mascot in NU...it'll have to do worse than having a 4x weakness as Celebi (while not a mascot, though it should've been imo, is still a quite powerful legend despite it's lower bst) is still ranked highly last time I checked despite being 4x weak against Bug, and Genosect's 4x weakness against fire...

Even to get to OU they'll need to have a major flaw.

I hope there isn't a bst creep like the last two gens when it comes to legends, I think Kyurem and Arceus being 2nd and 1st in those areas are good for now.

Crystal Noel March 29th, 2013 10:03 AM

I really hope neither have a 4x weakness. That would make them very undesirable to have on your team, especially in competitive battling. No debilitating abilities either, Regigigas would have been awesome without Slow Start, same with Slaking and Traunt. I still am pulling for a Light-type on Xerneas, Light type is way over due. The rumor is that new types may be introduced.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 29th, 2013 10:32 AM

Yeah, those kinds of abilities are the only thing I see making them NU...
My hopes for a Light type have gone down tbh. I don't really see Xerneas being light anymore.

Crystal Noel March 29th, 2013 10:38 AM

It could be a dualism concept. Xerneas is Light, Yvaltal is Dark. Considering BW's mascots were based off of Taoism it is possible.


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