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OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 19th, 2013 9:50 AM

I'm hoping Xerneas is Grass/Electric, and Yvetal is Dark/Flying. Though can also see Xerneas being Steel/Grass, Steel, Steel/Electric, Steel/Rock, Rock/Electric.

MiTjA April 21st, 2013 5:11 AM

I think you're setting your expectations high by assuming they are both dual types just like that.

Sabrewulf238 April 21st, 2013 6:10 AM

I'm not feeling the Xerneas being part grass type idea......I think it's more likely we could be looking at a Psychic/Steel type or possibly Electric/Steel? (It does look like it could use electric moves)

On the other hand maybe it won't be Steel at all and be a new type combination, Psychic/Electric? The heavy thud we heard in the trailer might be a red herring.

Yveltal looks to me like it's Dark/Flying.

If Xerneas was Psychic/Electric and Yveltal Dark/Flying they would complement each other fairly well. (They would both have some way to be super effective against the other)

Ho-Oh April 21st, 2013 8:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7633955)
I think you're setting your expectations high by assuming they are both dual types just like that.

But chances are they mos likely will be. Most other mascots have been dual typed. :x

MiTjA April 21st, 2013 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7634130)
But chances are they mos likely will be. Most other mascots have been dual typed. :x

with the "other" type being Flying or Dragon, which are both pretty much just common sense, not intentionally "omg lets make them fancy dual types"

they all always embody one distinct element.
That's why I think things like Electric/Psychic are over the top expectations. Especially when Yveltal is likely to be Dark...with Flying merely because it flies

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 21st, 2013 2:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7633955)
I think you're setting your expectations high by assuming they are both dual types just like that.

Those are my desires, my expectations aren't always my desires and vise versa. I expect Xerneas to be pure Steel tbh (I even listed it in the post you quoted earlier).

Fbn11 April 21st, 2013 3:02 PM

Yveltal looks fantastic, the design is awesome

MiTjA April 22nd, 2013 3:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7634563)
Those are my desires, my expectations aren't always my desires and vise versa. I expect Xerneas to be pure Steel tbh (I even listed it in the post you quoted earlier).

Oh I missed it.
pure Steel somehow fits if Yveltal is Dark now that I think of it. Both being later superior additions of existing types in a way.

They're like the exotic ends on the type chart, Dark being a more aggresive and mean version of the more common Poison and Steel being the ultra defensive that Rock wasn't even really trying to be.

Reminds me think of Sableye and Mawile!
Note that although Sableye is also secondary Ghost, its main type is still Dark for being a creepy sneaky critter more than anything. And it could be the similar case with Xerneas and Yveltal being Steel and Dark respectively, but Yveltal having the extra Flying for common sense.

I like it!
And Steel doesn't only represent metals and alloys, but also an artificial subtheme, which might be appropriate depending on what role genetics play in this.


Ignoring everything we have, I wish we would see a main Grass mascot for once.. We've had Fire, Electric, Ice, Water and Ground, Psychic, Steel..even Ghost, but no Grass uber mascot? It seems like one of the obvious to do before resorting to more exotic things and unique combinations.
Xerneas is the closest we got so far, but who knows.

Ho-Oh April 22nd, 2013 8:29 AM

Xerneas would have a big advantage over Xerneas though if it's steel, which... makes sense given it's light-ish and could represent good!

Red99 April 22nd, 2013 1:35 PM

If rumors were true, and there really is going to be a light type, then I would guess Xerneas to be steel and light type. I also like the fact that it is based off of the forest guardian from 'Princess Mononoke'.

MiTjA April 23rd, 2013 12:39 AM

Again,

Kyogre>Groudon.

Match up does not matter.

Yusshin April 23rd, 2013 12:43 AM

Xerneas: Grass/Steel
Yveltal: Flying/Dark

Then neither has a type advantage (SE of Flying->Grass negated by Steel).

Forever battle of Light vs. Dark yay~

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 23rd, 2013 10:39 AM

Yvetal will only be weak against Electric, Rock, and Ice, not bad for the two of them if those are to be their typings.

Jake♫ April 23rd, 2013 12:10 PM

I can definitely see Dark/Flying and Grass/Steel for the two of them. As stated, the typings and relation to each other don't matter that much, but aesthetically speaking those typings definitely seem to make sense.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 23rd, 2013 12:32 PM

I tried to get abilities talked about earlier but not much came up...so maybe it is too only, though I'll give you my two cents. Maybe if Xerneas is rock type it could have Rhyperior's (and Camerupt's) ability. Or they could just give it a variation of it. Yvetal I see as having intimidate...

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 23rd, 2013 12:48 PM

That would be awesome, now add expert belt to them and it'll double up...yeah it may be overpowered.

MiTjA April 23rd, 2013 2:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Yusshin (Post 7636607)
Then neither has a type advantage

Kyogre>Groudon

your argument is invalid

Yusshin April 23rd, 2013 5:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7637382)
Kyogre>Groudon

your argument is invalid

I don't understand? This discussion has nothing to do about Kyogre or Groudon.

Intimidate might not be "powerful" enough for Yveltal. I'd like to see Xerneas with a SP. ATK boosting ability and Yveltal with an ATK boosting ability. Both seem like such powerful, charismatic Pokemon after all. I can see how held-items could make them OP if it's the case... but solo it doesn't really matter, and against other players, well, I'm no battler so I don't exactly know - aren't most "competitions" without legendaries anyway? So would it really make a difference?

MiTjA April 24th, 2013 2:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Yusshin (Post 7637615)
I don't understand? This discussion has nothing to do about Kyogre or Groudon.

Intimidate might not be "powerful" enough for Yveltal. I'd like to see Xerneas with a SP. ATK boosting ability and Yveltal with an ATK boosting ability. Both seem like such powerful, charismatic Pokemon after all. I can see how held-items could make them OP if it's the case... but solo it doesn't really matter, and against other players, well, I'm no battler so I don't exactly know - aren't most "competitions" without legendaries anyway? So would it really make a difference?

I was replying to the part I quoted: you said "Then neither has a type advantage", implying the type match-up between the 2 mascots is relevant in some way.
Kyogre and Groudon perfectly show that they go for types that fit the concept/backstory, while the match-up might even turn out 100% one-sided and it still won't matter.

Eren Jaeger April 24th, 2013 3:33 AM

I kinda don't like both of them.. even the new mew form. e___e

Ho-Oh April 24th, 2013 7:18 AM

What attacks do we wanna see these mons learn, in terms of... non-attacking stuff? Think they'd both be given Work Up, or Nasty Plot Yveltal maybe?

Yusshin April 24th, 2013 7:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MiTjA (Post 7638055)
I was replying to the part I quoted: you said "Then neither has a type advantage", implying the type match-up between the 2 mascots is relevant in some way.
Kyogre and Groudon perfectly show that they go for types that fit the concept/backstory, while the match-up might even turn out 100% one-sided and it still won't matter.

Oh, OK. The only reason I said that to begin with was because people seem to be rooting for PokEquality between the two mascots. Neither having a type advantage against the other and both having few weaknesses due to their typing is a good start in terms of that "movement."

Ho-Oh April 25th, 2013 5:20 AM

I see it as being a mix of Mandibuzz and Honchkrow, nothing really... cemented, just a strong mon. :x

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 25th, 2013 12:44 PM

I see Yvetal being a both bulky and strong...but slowish. Though I'm hoping it's fast as we have too many slow mascots xD

MiTjA April 25th, 2013 2:47 PM

oh oh oh!
stat speculationnnnnnnn

what we had before:
First Ho-oh and Lugia.
They were basically Mewtwo clones, in terms of stats simply shuffled around a bit.
(Mewtwo 106 110 90 154 90 130)
Lugia 106 90 130 90 154 110
Ho-oh 106 130 90 110 154 90


Then they did something from scratch, with a big physical vs special focus (2 very high stats instead of one 154), but lower total (670) due to making Rayquaza superior (the usual 680):
Groudon 100 150 140 100 90 90
Kyogre 100 100 90 150 140 90

Rayquaza 105 150 90 150 90 95


Then the last 2 sets (gen 4 and 5) both used the same stats (with only one very high stat, 150), merely shuffled around.
Palkia 90 120 100 150 120 100
Dialga 100 120 120 150 100 90
Giratina 150 100 120 100 120 90

Reshiram 100 120 100 150 120 90
Zekrom 100 150 120 120 100 90

Kyurem was a unique case starting weaker as any of them, and gaining ridiculously high offense surpassing Mewtwo
regular 125 130 90 130 90 95
white 125 120 90 170 100 95


either they go for 670 (which would make me think there is a stronger 680 waiting for later), or probably more likely, 680 again.

If they go for the same spread a third time(!), my guess is
Xerneas 120 90 120 100 150 100
Yveltal 100 150 100 120 90 120

but maybe they've had enough of these numbers and go back to "mewtwo clones" gen 2 style, perhaps something like:
Xerneas 110 90 154 90 130 106
Yveltal 110 154 90 130 90 106

But more likely than either, they will make them from scratch.
My guess is that neither of them will be slow (min. 100), that Yveltal will be much more offensive (especially physical attack at least 150) and Xerneas defensive (we havent had a mascot who didnt have its highest stat in an attack since gen 2..), instead of just being physical/special mirrored duo like KyoGro/ReshZekr.

I would personally make them:
Xerneas 120 90 120 90 160 100
Yveltal 100 160 90 120 90 120


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