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Graphics.
I feel a huge discussion with this generation is going to be the progression of the graphics in the series thus far. Personally, I love them. It just seemed like a natural advancement to me. However, what do you think? Hit or miss?
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I would like to see more from the graphics before I make up my mind, but it looks interesting, that is for sure. |
I don't like the overworld graphics, other than that, I have no comments.
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Wow, they were amazing in my opinion. I've loved seeing Pokemon develop from the Gameboy and now all the way to the 3DS, from those old grey graphics to a whole new level, 3D. It was a little strange, how tall the characters were but I'm sure I'll get use to that soon, the 3D look great and I loved the new battling appearance, it was much better <3. All in all I definitely loved the graphics and really impressed <3.
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The graphics are perfect! Didn't get to see much, so I can't really make that much of a comparison, but while I feel like it wasn't quite the jump from the third generation to the fourth, this just looks amazing. I'm most certainly gonna buy a 3DS now, because this isn't anything I can let get past me :O Showing us how they advanced through all the generations was really a great way to show how far they've come graphic-wise. From Pokemon Red and Green to this was just mind-blowning x_x
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I like how they went full 3D this time, personally I dislike BW's graphics and I prefer the generation before, but this looks really nice. It still looks like it's tiled and not free walking, but it's still cool. The battles look better than I though they would.
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I never played a 3DS game in my entire life despite only getting a 3DS recently.
The overworld looks a little odd, and the protagonist model looks a little off, but at least the battle scenes were a saving grace for me. I'm glad I finally got a 3DS just in time for this. |
My issue is that with the new 3D graphics, will the battles be as horrible as Pokemon Battle Revolution? I don't want attacks that take half a minute but I don't want to turn off the pretty altogether.
Other than that, the 3D overworlds is much overdue. I was expecting a handheld 3D since diamond and pearl days. |
It's ugly as hell. The textures need much work, and the models are pretty bad and plain looking. Also, no anti-aliasing? There's too much jaggies. Pokemon still needs to have better visuals, especially the overworld. I expected more given this the hardware that gave us eye candies like Mario Kart 7 and Kid Icarus: Uprising. :/
But the worst offender is the frame rate. Dear god, the framerate. |
I'm glad I found a game for my 3DS besides the upcoming Fire Emblem 13
I figured it wouldn't be long before Pokémon took the step to a 3Dish world, even the DS games tried to implement some pseudo3D graphics. They probably tried it out and decided it wouldn't look too bad to go full 3D. I'm glad they did, because so far the games look to be quite amazing. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like the zoom on the overworld has gotten smaller. It certainly does allow for more detail and really makes the world more alive. If the size of trees extends outside the screen, that means they can implement flowers growing at the base of the tree. (at least, that's what I thought I saw). Maybe it's just a limited area, but it certainly looks appealing to me. <3 To posters above: Let's just hope that final game will have fixed those issues. |
To go from this
http://www.serebii.net/pokearth/maps/unova/72.png To this http://images.eurogamer.net/2012/articles/1/5/4/6/2/8/7/135764447855.png Within a year is a huge step up. |
I personally don't get the bashing, I think it looks perfectly fine, also I don't get how people see the human characters as looking off, they don't look off model.
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These graphics are amazing! Look at those battles! I think we could be in for another Greg game!
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The overworld is a HUGE turnoff for me.
I wasn't too into Gen V and I was hoping Gen VI would bring me back into the series. So far I'm not too excited but I'm gonna wait for some more information to come. |
The graphics blew me. They look quite gorgeous and all, but I sure will miss the 2D Gameplay style :(
I don't know how will this affect the gameplay but....it's still Pokemon...so I am madly in love with it no matter what. I urge into pushing the graphical improvements forward, in fact, I always dreamed of a full 3D Pokemon game. It's just that other spin-offs utilized 3D terribly. Arrrgh me and my internal conflicting mind set X_X ! |
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Do note that this game is going to come out in 10 months.
That's a lot of time for graphics to be polished up on after this trailer. Not bad for a work in progress! |
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You've got to realize that this was going to happen sooner or later, they can't stay in 2D forever.
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A New Pokemon Adventure! In 3D!
So, having seen the trailer, it's pretty safe to say that this new adventure is going to be entirely in 3D.
What's everyone else's opinion on this? I mean, it's a pretty drastic change in the gameplay. Will it change the games for the better? Personally I think they should have tried to go in this direction with Black and White, but they'll probably do a much better job with it on the 3DS. |
It was going to happen sooner or later and I'm ready to embrace it!
The graphics look beautiful already and there's still another nine months in which they could improve them so I'm all for these games. |
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I love the new graphics <3
The over world could use a bit of polishing but I think that's more of a map design thing than a graphics thing. It looks too empty imo. This style worked when it was 2D or thereabouts but now that it's going 3D we'll need to have a few more elements thrown in so that we can fill in the spots which we couldn't see back when it was 2D. The battle scenes though looked flawless. |
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If they're going to make the jump to 3D they have to do it right, and not rush things. They have my support, change can be scary but it's a game about evolving so the games have to grow as technology and the times change. Besides, it's easier to go with the flow rather then rejecting change completely. |
Having watched the reveal quite a few times, I'm slightly getting used to the graphics, but...even still I'm really disappointed. Personally, they look horrible. It may be a massive step forward (which is great!), and I know there are still 10 months before its release (so a ton of things can be fixed, edited etc), and perhaps I just need to get used to such a dramatic change, but as of the moment, from what I've seen, the developers of Pokemon are leaving a bitter taste in my mouth.
The OW graphics are...well quite ugly, to put it simply. They're jagged and uneven, and the world doesn't look as natural as it does in previous games. I think the detail of the graphics themselves has been swept aside and disregarded by the hype of having Pokemon move to 3D. In regards to the battling mechanics (graphic wise), I'm quite intrigued. I just hope to god that moves don't take ages to be executed. Having said that however, we've only been given a few minutes preview, so...there's not really much substance in which we can form an opinion on of the whole game. I'm always open to new things, and well, it was inevitable that Pokemon would some day reach 3D; but the massive change is what I think I'll have to get used to over time. (I've got 10 months anyway paha.) |
I don't really like the graphics, but it's not that I'll go crazy over, given I disliked B/W's graphics at first and then fell in love with the region. While the graphics can be improved definitely, it's the region that'll get me hooked, not the graphics itself. I have enough imagination to make the graphics seem okay to me lmao.
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At first, I was kind of like "hey, that's neat"! Then I saw holy jaggy everything looked in stills. Eh. I'm not gonna buy it anyway, so none of that matters, but I'd hope it gets touched up for the rest of ya'll.
I really loved the intro. I saw Pikachu "talking" and was like "whoa". Then I read the disclaimer immediately at the bottom, and thought "so much for Pokemon having personality now". Maybe the next PMD, though. |
We had a similar situation when Generation III was introduced on the GBA, it's the drastic change in graphics which was inevitable.
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The graphics of this game are great. And to me, it looks that the battle are on the route/city/whatever itself and not a seperate battle scene.
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Just a reminder that these graphics aren't final, so they could be improved by the time the games are released.
Honestly, taking the jump to full-blown 3D could be a risky move and it's probably best to see how well this style goes first. |
The thing is:
- the footage may be taken from an earlier beta - the graphics are blown up - there is still ~10 months to release I'm quite positive the graphics will be improved. I think the framerate will be back to 60fps, since there is a lot more to render now compared to Gen IV/V. |
The battle graphics and wild encounters are so cool, but I'm not a fan of the overworld either. If it's possible to slide the view from bird's eye to horizontal like that, then that'd be fine but with that horizontal view it looks so cluttered... |
I'm going to have to get used to the overworld but I think it is incredible (and such a huge jump too!) but those battle won't take any getting used to. Wow is all I really have to say about the graphics.
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Yeah, it's definitely a nice improvement from the other games; even from B2W2. <3 'm really thrilled about the battle sequence; it looks more console-game like than pixelated; like if it was from Pokemon Colosseum or Pokemon XD~ I'd love to see more of it though!
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The battle graphics are amazing but the overworld graphics are definitely different from the previous games which will take some getting used to.
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I personally will have to play the game to see if i like it or not as of right now im not to fond of it seems to advanced right now
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Bearing in mind that we haven't seen it in 3D I think I'll wait a little.
The clip of the fire bursting from the floor looked epic though, and the new battle UI looked awesome. |
It will take some getting used to but with the 3D effect I think it will look awesome, slightly bummed about no Hoenn remake but really no matter what Nintendo do I will buy Pokemon games, because they have had me hooked since the age of 4. I kinda skimmed the 5th gen games but these new ones look like they will bring a new golden age of all things pokemon!
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This is the only thing that really concerns me about these games. As a general rule, outside of the most carefully tailored and polished first person games, 3D graphics have been distractingly cheesy, and this is ESPECIALLY the case with past 3D Pokemon graphics. I've never understood the desire among fans for 3D graphics, since the 3D versions of Pokemon have always, absolutely without exception, looked worse than the sprites. At least the sprites, if one can only fill in that third dimension in the mind's eye (which has become easier with each generation, with the improvements in 2D graphics) have actually looked pretty much like Pokemon. The 3D ones never have. Not even close. They've never looked even vaguely like 3D renderings of Pokemon - they've always looked like exactly what they were - 3D meshes.
At least with the sprites, I could get drawn in and start watching the action and forget, if only for a while, that it was only a visual representation in a game. With the previous 3D meshes (and the upcoming ones, if the screenshots are anything to go by), I simply can't do that, since they're so obviously NOT Pokemon - they're meshes and they're always meshes and they never stop being meshes. They don't look 3D - they just look fake. I guess we'll see though, hmm? |
*fangirl scream*
OK. I am STOKED!! I can understand a bit of disappointment with the textures, but HOLY COW this is leaps and BOUNDS beyond where they were! I personally think it looks beautiful. Is it comparible to top of the line graphics - no, but I don't think that's Pokemon's edge. |
I feel like the graphics change was too much of a jump since all the games before X and Y had a similar graphics style whereas this is an entire overhaul of the visual style of the game. Definitely will miss the sprites a lot too, since I just don't have as much attachment for 3D Pokemon artwork, though I'm willing to bet I'll get attached quickly enough once we get more previews of the games.
So yeah... will take getting used to but still a change I welcome! |
They really left the old Pokemon Graphics formula in the dust with X&Y, and I think it's about time they did, given the Graphics power of the 3DS. Even if the Pokemon are weird, the incredible graphics will sell this game.
Looks like I have a reason to hold onto mine now. XD |
Transition from 2D to 3D
Since Gen VI is going to be on the 3DS, obviously the perspective from in-game will longer be in a 2D view. How do you guys feel about this change in viewing perspective?
I think that a Pokemon game for the 3DS was overdue, but personally I still prefer the original top down, psuedo 3D view. Also, I haven't seen this anywhere else, but if this has already been posted or being discussed somewhere else, feel free to close it. |
3D Opinions?
So, X and Y are set to be the first 3D Pokemon games. What do you think of this? What will it be like adapting to this sort of style? Do you prefer it in 3D by the looks? How do you think the game will be effected by the 3D aspect, if at all?
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i like the 3D style, it looks more rpg. i wish you could customize the trainer too now. i'm excited to see the attacks in 3D. it'll look more like pokemon battle revolution!
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I'm really happy with what I've seen so far, I can imagine entering a city and being able to see the majority of it from the point where you are standing.
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Merged into this thread, as it covers the same topic! :3 |
The battle graphics are sexy, but I agree with this.
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A bit sad about the departure from sprite artwork, but the 3D still looks quite nice.
I don't think I'll like the dynamic camera angles though... I hated Skyarrow Bridge. Castelia too |
I would much MUCH rather have good sprites than mediocre meshes.
I've never gotten the fascination with pseudo-3D in games. To me, so obviously that I really don't get how anyone can miss it, mediocre 3D meshes aren't appealing at all. With the right shading and enough layers, sprites can easily fool the eye into treating them as 3D objects. But poorly designed meshes can't even begin to do that - sure, they're rendered in three dimensions, but what they are, much MUCH more obviously than anything else, is poorly designed 3D meshes. They never make that jump over to fooling the eye, since they're so obviously primitive and artificial. To me, it's like the difference between a painting of an apple and a baseball spray-painted red. Sure - the baseball is right there, rendered in three dimensions, but it STILL doesn't look like an apple - it just looks like a painfully bad copy. The painting might not actually BE an apple, but neither is the spray painted baseball, and at least the painting looks a helluva lot more like one. edit to note that I already responded to the thread this one was merged into, but since it's a sort of addition to my previous post, I'm going to just leave it... |
The graphics are fairly good quality, but I can see why some people really dislike them. They will be polished, and look fabulous once the game is released. To be honest, a 3D world is good enough for me, no matter what the graphics look like.
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The one thing I've seen about the graphics in the little film on the Pokemon website that I really dislike is when a Pokemon appears...It just isn't right.
Also, the attacks will make battles longer, the zooming in and the duration of the attacks. It looks good but I prefer it zoomed out. |
New overworlds
How do you guys feel about the taller overworld sprites? I'm just curious and think it's a good topic to discuss. c:
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arnt they models now? but look bit strange to me anyway
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They have all of my hate as an OW spriter.
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I don't believe those are OW's anymore. They are character models. xD
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Merged into the graphical thread, as it is covered under this thread. |
I don't get why people are calling this too much of a jump, there really isn't any middle ground to go to; It's either go 3D or no 3D really. I mean they could have had just had the battles be 3D, but honestly I think that would be a bad idea; it just wouldn't fit together.
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It's a jump when you compare it with Black and White graphics which aren't relativity old, it's mainly because of the shift in console, I know it was expected but I'm not complaining with the results.
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Masuda has always defended 2D sprites, and I always understood why. When I first saw the game being in 3D I was a bit concerned, but it actually looks lovely! So now I'm perfectly fine with the upgrade. It's crisp and stylized; it still looks and feels like Pokemon without being 2D.
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The overworld could do with some serious work, but the battles look awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!
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How long do you think the 3D Engine took to develop?
I'm Wondering what you people think
How Long do you think it took Game Freak to Develop the 3D Engine for Pokemon X and Y To me it Looks like Maybe A Few Monthes Before BW2 were Anounced |
Merged into the Graphics thread, as it is covered nicely in here. |
For a main series Pokemon game to be in 3D is something that I've waited a long time for. Now that it's actually here, I'm not quite sure how I feel about it. Sure, some of the graphics could use improvement (remember though, it's still a handheld console), but to see the leap from the originals to now is incredible. I don't know, hopefully the graphics grow on me, since we've still got another 10 months ahead of us.
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It's an amazing, and needed, transition. The design captures the Pokemon nostalgia while embracing the 3DS technology, but as mentioned by other users there are some faults. Textures in some scenes look jagged and pixels seem unnecessarily noticeable., while others, the city that derives from Paris, are smooth and glistening.
When considering Ocarina of Time you would think the developers could push the graphic threshold a little more. Nonetheless it's still a massive improvement and hopefully they are upgraded before the game's release, or at least made up in the sheer amount of fun expected. =D |
The overworld could be polished up a bit but I'm really looking forward to the 3D battles.
And as much as I have always enjoyed sprites, I haven't been a fan of the zooming in and out of them in the more recent games. I've always thought that the sprites look really shoddy when blown up or shrunken down. |
Is this going to work?
So as soon as I saw the first few screenshots, I just though: Is a 3D world really going to work after all these years of a birds-eye 2/2.5D world? Because right now that's my biggest concern...
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Remember a little game called Pokemon Colosseum?
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It was going to happen sooner or later...
You would get the same reaction if they stuck this Generation on the Nintendo DS. |
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I need to see more before I make up my mind. The models and textures themselves could get sharper as they develop the games more.
It's going to be quite a transition for me either way I'm sure! I preferred HG/SS type graphics. Pseudo-3D, simple, and of that unmistakable Pokemon style. I'm on the fence about how these new games are stylized. I need to see more! |
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The 3DS is capable to do much more than this. I've said it many many times, but the overworld is something you see on the DS. I couldn't care less about the mechanics if they don't remove random encounters and get a steady, good framerate. Story was always nothing special too. I'll probably get Dragon Quest 7 instead, anyway. |
I must admit, I love the new graphics.
I only hope full 3D in battles won't slow them down. As much as I like Colosseum and XD (never played PBR) , the battles were incredibly slow, even more than in Gen 4. But seeing how fast battle animations in Gen 5 were, I think GF are aware of this problem. |
Hm.. I'm still waiting on my opinion. I'm going to wait a while before I can form a full opinion, but right now, for me it's safe to say that the graphics need a little bit more work. But in 10 months, they are definitely going to be improved, because of course, this is just a trailer. :P
But the battles... the battles. To me, the graphics are amazing and I'd like to see them when they're even better. The only thing: I hope you don't have to wait 1 whole minute just for a visual to finish. |
It's a hit and that's that.
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I have a question.
Is there something like the old super gameboy that allowed you to play game boy games on a super nintendo? I mean that because I don't like little screens. I am a rather old pokemon fan (28 years old) who got into pokemon again after more than a decade because my teenage nice fought with her mother and moved to my house, she got me back into that game, but I am not very up to date. |
The graphics are awesome, although I will miss the pixel-art...
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I bet the next game will have the ability to change your character avatar with different skin tones and body builds.
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These graphics are simply stunning. Such an advancement since B2W2 in such short time. And the battles!!! OMG! GF has truly out done itself.
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It is certainly going to take some getting used to but I think over all it is great and just what the series needed. Hopefully the framerate is up to scratch.
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SO HAPPY. It's going to take some time to get used to the new graphics, but I'm still SO HAPPY. Now I have a reason to get a 3DS.
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I've been wishing for a mainline Pokemon game in 3D or at least with a lot more animations in the battles and such (like many I'm guessing) for a very long time. I think X and Y look amazing, will surely look better running on the actual system, and it's not even final yet, they have months to polish things up. I can't wait for October now!
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In the trailer, it said gameplay wasn't final. I expect improvement. My biggest complaints are the jagginess and the trainer NPCs. The way they just stand there is so awkward and unnatural looking. They need animations and should also be doing actions. (Rummaging through bags. Looking around. Fiddling with pokeballs.) At the very least, more casual poses. Also, remember back in April 2010 when we got those leaked images of B/W? The game itself changed a lot aesthetically from those images to date of release. Other than that, I love the art style. It's a huge step in the right direction. I've also wanted 3D for a long time.
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I absolutely loved the graphics when I saw the trailer. And I'm sure the textures are going to change later on when it gets closer to it's release. It made me so excited and amazed by it's concept of how you're able to see the sky more in those games, that's fantastic. ^^
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Come on, people... Have you never even seen 3DS games before? They look far better than this, most of the time.
Kingdom Hearts 3D, for example, has much more beautiful and natural-looking environments. Super Mario 3D Land, Mario Kart 7, etc... All games that are, like Pokemon, not designed to be realistic, but they still have smooth and attractive models and textures. The game literally looks like they took BW and just tilted the camera and changed the 2D sprites to 3D models that look like sprites. It's pretty disappointing to anyone who has played a fair amount of high-budget 3DS games. The thing is, I really don't care. I'm going to buy the games anyway, and they're going to be fantastic games, despite their crappy and outdated graphics. EDIT: And yes I agree that the graphics could be updated before the release, but I don't think they will be. Remember the 3DS? It's not the final version, it won't be that ugly, but it really was. |
I like the graphics in the games, though they could still use some work, luckily they have time to do that as they said it's not the final result. Seeing this game makes me even more eager for when remakes finally come around :)
Though it's much more cartoony than Kh 3D and Ocarina of Time it still has it's own special charm. |
These things should be in Pokemon X and Y
When you go into the Union room instead of just having an Avatar appear on the other perspons screen actually have your Player Character Appear and be able to walk around (And Maybe allow some form of Co-Op Hub From there Similar to how DQ9 Had Co-Op) |
This should have happened back in gen 4. To say that I'm excited for this is an understatement.
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I like what the graphics are, it's not as good as other games but still good, I think they could improve if it wasn't tile movement though xD
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I don't care if the graphics could be "better"; I think they're cute as is and fit the style of the main Pokemon games while still becoming completely 3D.
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The graphics are great, you can't deny that. They're awesome!
BUT! This is a pokemon game people. When have graphics really mattered to us? I've been playing with these kind of graphics in my head since Pokemon Yellow Version and I can say without any fear of being wrong, that I'm not the only one. What we see and what other people see is completely different. I'm not so concerned about the graphics, but about the pokemon. What are they going to be like this generation? If we have them as snow cones, trash bags, gears and lamps, is there really going to be something better in the upcoming generation? Maybe one or two pokemon, yes, just like it always happens, but I honestly don't want to see a toothbrush pokemon or a make up case one. Really... |
Sprites
My first! but hopefully not last thread in the Pokemon X and Pokemon Y Forums xD
Is anybody else going to miss the sprites? The 3D figures are cool and have more capabilities but will you miss sprites? They were introduced as animated in Gen V for B/W/B2/W2 but they're already gone! If you could would you like them back in the next game? Or are you glad that they're gone? I, as a spriter, am personally going to miss them, they were simple, yet cool, clean, but rough, the capabilities a few pixels had to produce that image that was desired, of course, pixels are still used, but it's not the same as when you're limited to size and color, cleaning outlines, shading and overall everything else, I do like the figures but I sure am going to miss sprites, I'd like to see someone do a gallery where the pokemon are made into sprites :) xD Discuss! xD |
I can't wait to see the graphics properly in 3D, 2D screens are doing the textures and the edges no justice at all.
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While I agree graphics could be better, like Super Mario 3D land, OoT and MK7, they really don't need to be. Pokemon isn't a game that has thrived due to eye candy, it's thrived because it's really fun! This is GF's first try at 3D, and i'd say they've done a darn good job at it. It is a nice art style for a Pokemon game! And they'll probably get better closer to release! n_n
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I love the graphics. They kinda remind me of Dragon Quest Monster Joker on the DS.
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I have to agree with the others who say the over world graphics are disappointing. The battle graphics look fantastic, though. However the over world graphics are too choppy, jagged and that frame rate is WAY to slow for my liking. But the trailer did say 'game footage not final' and I don't see why they would put that unless the graphics aren't going to be worked on, they even put that on the official X & Y website. They still have a lot of time left to work on the graphics so I assume and hope that they will work on and make the over world graphics even better.
A perfect example is the new Luigi's Mansion that is coming out. Look at the first trailer and compare it to the most recent and just see how different it looks since they fixed the frame rate. Hopefully GF will do the same. |
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