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roosterman February 3rd, 2013 3:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7521880)
Or maybe N could actually be on this team. Like idk if it'd be that crazy if older characters were actually important roles in these teams but given that N is all for Pokemon being free and this concerns genetics, he could be... a spy in a way? And we could learn about Unova's historyyy.

now your talking! they should reaveal that he is a zoroark after all. maybe one that was experimented on by the team and as result, decided that humans are all cruel and should be separated from pokemon. maybe this could be in between black and black 2. that one year that we never saw.

Ho-Oh February 3rd, 2013 7:06 PM

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Originally Posted by roosterman (Post 7522574)
now your talking! they should reaveal that he is a zoroark after all. maybe one that was experimented on by the team and as result, decided that humans are all cruel and should be separated from pokemon. maybe this could be in between black and black 2. that one year that we never saw.

idek about the revealing Zoroark part. I guess he could be finding his way in this region before returning to Unova, secretly trying to take down this organisation all the while getting dirt on Plasma. Could work I guess??

Sabrewulf238 February 4th, 2013 10:05 AM

I was just thinking today it would be really nice if they had two teams again like in the 3rd gen. Maybe even three just to make it even more interesting and unpredictable. If they can't shake up the usual story they could at least add more bad guys.

I would love if they had three evil teams all based on a different European Culture.

Miss Doronjo February 10th, 2013 9:06 PM

Well,I've been thinking - I've kind of liked Team Plasma, because they went beyond the need to rule the world - they wanted to "save" it at first; well, the pokemon, that is, but as their development went on, yeaaah they went back to the classic villain methods. With this villain team, I do at least hope they go beyond the need to rule over pokemon or rule/destroy the world.

I think its this reason why most people love Team Rocket the most, beyond the nostalgia glasses. Taking into account gamestates prior to the MC's involvement, Team Rocket basically owns Kanto. It's a region wide mafia and people are legitimately scared of them, the police force knows of them yet still can't do a thing to stop them. They had some sort of presence in most of eastern Kanto, Vermilion and Fushia being noticeable exceptions, and has business such as the Game Corner and of course the Viridian Gym under its control. Their goal was simple: make money and get strongmons and here's the thing, until you came along it was working.

If we discount Emerald then the only thing that Team Magma/Aqua did that the population of Hoenn would've had an idea about was the stealing of the submarine in Slateport and the takeover of the Weather institute. I think the problem with every team bar Team Rocket (and you can make a case for Team Plasma too) is that it's entirely possible that the Main Character saw their growth from their beginnings as a little group, to big bad legendary mon controllers, and beat them over the course of their journey, which actually puts you on an even footing with them. You feel that you can beat them easily. With Team Rocket it's more of an uphill struggle because of the dominance they've already established (and their determination if you look at G/S/C) so it feels more fun to play?

Well, my point in, I would like to see more incorporated fear and development within these new villain teams; like a struggle of courage should be expected at first.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 11th, 2013 9:01 AM

I felt more of a stuggle of courage against Plasma than Team Rocket to be honest...
However a criminal based group would be nice to see, now if only this were Italy we'll have a greater case, but than again none of the evil groups have ever matched their region's theme except for possibly Rocket which are based on the Yakuza.
Perhaps the evil group is like a evil foil to Cynthia, having a love of history but for the desire to use it to create their own desired future...

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 11th, 2013 9:17 AM

Yet it'll proably end up horribly disappointing if the evil team raises our expectations but is as bad as the rest of the five teams...

Firestorm1 February 11th, 2013 11:46 AM

I would love to see a Ninja team. I'm not sure what they would be called, but ninjas are awesome. Their goal, however, would be implanting chips on certain Pokemon to become evil and work for them.

Don't judge me, it's the best I got lol.

Ho-Oh February 11th, 2013 7:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Firestorm1 (Post 7533491)
I would love to see a Ninja team. I'm not sure what they would be called, but ninjas are awesome. Their goal, however, would be implanting chips on certain Pokemon to become evil and work for them.

Don't judge me, it's the best I got lol.

Well I think they'll probably try to make Pokemon evil somehow. Not sure why, but I just feel like Colloseum's storyline will somehow influence these games a little. :(

Czupo February 11th, 2013 8:11 PM

The team should have something to do with DNA. Y'know, 'cause the games are named after chromosomes.

proN February 11th, 2013 8:40 PM

I really want them to put team galactic back in somehow. Not sure how, but i just do...they made platinum end and it should continue mixed with team plasma somehow maybe?

myfriendraul February 11th, 2013 8:49 PM

i have a feeling it's going to be all the previous teams combined

Ho-Oh February 11th, 2013 8:54 PM

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Originally Posted by myfriendraul (Post 7534489)
i have a feeling it's going to be all the previous teams combined

That'd certainly be a lot of different ideas though. I mean it'd make the ultimate villainous team but idea-wise it could be a little messy. :(

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 11th, 2013 9:36 PM

Perhaps Cyrus would return in this game, with ideas of creating the ultimate pokemon using genetics...perhaps he teams up with Giovanni and Ghetsis too (Maxie and Archie aren't included as the honestly gave up on their goals), plus it'll make some sense seeing how Sinnoh was influence by real life france some what (I know it's based land wise on Hokkaido btw).

Miss Doronjo February 11th, 2013 9:41 PM

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Originally Posted by myfriendraul (Post 7534489)
i have a feeling it's going to be all the previous teams combined

Buuut don't forget that some of the villainous teams have their ideas contradict with one another. D= Like Team Aqua vs Team Magma - Aqua wants more Sea, Magma wants more Land. Plus the previous teams have has pretty much disassembled now, so...

Unless it was scraps of members?

proN February 12th, 2013 5:37 PM

Yes, and perhaps Cyrus is doing it for the same as before? To make a new pokemon this way in order to create a new universe.

Ho-Oh February 12th, 2013 7:03 PM

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Originally Posted by proN (Post 7535713)
Yes, and perhaps Cyrus is doing it for the same as before? To make a new pokemon this way in order to create a new universe.

Or perhaps he's trying to make a new Pokemon in a new universe..? I mean given that these games likely represent DNA and what makes us unique, he could take Giratina's idea, and try to merge DNA of other mons and then put it in a parallel universe to destroy what's here, if that makes sense?

Miss Doronjo February 12th, 2013 7:38 PM

Well, that can represent genetics on their own right; Cyrus can use the power of the new legendary pokemon to manipulate DNA on his own right. Would that mean that Team Galactic might return, or a new team entirely?

Ho-Oh February 12th, 2013 7:42 PM

idk, but I can just see the likelyhood of a new Pokemon being created, like Mew/Mewtwo, and that being the villain's main goal/intention, and making it super powerful.

Miss Doronjo February 13th, 2013 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7533299)
So what you're saying is that a bit of a lose-lose kind of expectation should come about at first concerning the evil team, and after being at a disadvantage at first, we train and get stronger, and then kick-ass? I like this. XD

(bah I meant to reply to you earlier D=) Well, yeah. Maybe like this:

At the start of the game, the thugs control the region, to an even greater degree than Team Rocket did in Kanto (and at the start of R/B they pretty much ran the entire business over there). The baddies are in power, you have to pay for safe passage, the gyms are shut down, the Elite Four have fled, and the Poké Centres are threatened by mafia takeover. Shortly after the start of the quest, you gain their attention, are noted for your power and eventually become cornered by a team of thugs who want to take your Pokémon for use by the (evil) mayor. That's when you encounter... la Résistance (the Elite Four being their leaders). Throughout the game, you and your companions chase the baddies from city to city. You manage to stop their evil plan to hack the PC system for personal use. The rightful mayors of the region are put back in charge. Finally, the evil team is defeated, their iron grip on the region released, and the Elite Four once again return to office. Having fought your way through the region, and challenged the gyms as they reopen, the Elite Four accept your challenge and give you a try at defeating them. In short, you are the "evil" team, and have to fight the established status quo, changing the region to your preferences.

Well, that's probably not going to happen, as portrayals of a corrupt government aren't entirely uncontroversial. It's definitely safer to go for an evil, one-dimensional team who are up to no good and who doubtlessly are the bad guys. Still, I would love for the Elite Four to be a little more active in the story line, instead of being anonymous faces standing in their rooms in that huge building in the middle of nowhere.

Like I said before, I'd be nice to have modest villains. Team Rocket believed in a gradual takeover, by sneaky methods. They wanted to rule the world, sure, but they didn't want to march on the capital and overthrow society through a direct confrontation. They simply wanted to gain more and more power until they one day owned it all. At one point, they had total control of the strongest Pokémon in the world, and used it to their advantage, but it was all done in quiet. No flooding the land or evaporating the sea, no ominous clouds springing out from a mountain peak or even any freezing of a city. Mewtwo worked - and escaped - without anybody taking notice. But since Gen. III, it has always been about using legendaries to force their way to the top, often with the risk/threat to destroy the world. It's time to put less at stake again, having meaner but less direct criminals.

PsytronicX February 13th, 2013 2:31 PM

I actually think it'd be interesting if the villainous team could win and rule supreme for a fairly long period of time.

Maybe that's just me. I like how N managed to defeat the League but I thought you beat him far too early after that, there wasn't really any time for it to get started.

I rather enjoyed seeing the Plasma Frigate wreak destruction over Opelucid City, it's that sort of thing I think it'd be interesting to see in the new team. Using sheer force to maintain power.

Again, like I said, maybe that's just me.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 13th, 2013 2:43 PM

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Originally Posted by PsytronicX (Post 7537083)
I actually think it'd be interesting if the villainous team could win and rule supreme for a fairly long period of time.

Maybe that's just me. I like how N managed to defeat the League but I thought you beat him far too early after that, there wasn't really any time for it to get started.

I rather enjoyed seeing the Plasma Frigate wreak destruction over Opelucid City, it's that sort of thing I think it'd be interesting to see in the new team. Using sheer force to maintain power.

Again, like I said, maybe that's just me.

Tbh I did too... same goes for when Galatic let loose that bomb which shock all of Sinnoh even all the way to Canalave city, and the whole taking the legendary lake trio and succeeding, sadly he had no use for them unlike N who actually used the legend he caught, Magma and Aqua couldn't control theirs...while Rocket ignored the legends completely, hmm interesting how there's a progression in the view and use of legends, perhaps the next group will capture the legend and rule the league as champ already by the time we arrive rather that right at the moment like with N who's rule lasted as long as Blue's in RGBY lol.

proN February 13th, 2013 6:29 PM

Heh, i gotta agree with you MRAS, i really hope they bring team Galactic back, maybe even better than before, or at least Cyrus.

Haza February 14th, 2013 3:44 AM

I'd kinda like it if there was no team, and there was just a single villain. Like Agent J.

Ho-Oh February 14th, 2013 6:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Haza (Post 7538344)
I'd kinda like it if there was no team, and there was just a single villain. Like Agent J.

Just one would be awesome, I mean, for a while we figured that N could possibly take on that role if it wasn't for Team Plasma, and given N's influence on B/W, chances are it might actually be possible this generation if it's just one person you think/are fighting against!

Miss Doronjo February 15th, 2013 8:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Haza (Post 7538344)
I'd kinda like it if there was no team, and there was just a single villain. Like Agent J.

Eh, I dunno about that.

Evil teams exist to add morals to the story. Children shouldn't necessarily be left to their whims. It's really a part of human nature to want to put a stop to a malevolent syndicate and be the good guy, and in many cases when you're fighting the evil team, you get commended and thanked for saving a small business, or the like. There are also moments when the bad guys are up to no good and you stop them without anyone around to recognize you for your hard work. One of the many morals that fighting an evil team comes with is that not every good deed goes rewarded. Another important thing is that your in-game family and friends all mention that your Pokemon are always growing closer together with you and as a team. This indicates to children that it's important to stick together and bonds between friends is an advantage against any adversary.

There's also all that bulbous about being a hero and standing up for what's good and just when even the local law enforcement seems incapable of keeping the peace, but a new mafia is definitely needed for Gen VI, imo. Without them, kids will go on playing without seeing that people need a good somaritan every once in a while to do what nobody else in town seems capable of accomplishing.

My point is, I'm not sure if just a single person would accomplish feats and provide morals of lessons that a whole team can do, but, it'd be quite interesting if it turns out that way. Unless maybe there is a single true "evil villain" and he/she have followers who do not agree with their plan, and would rather put money on the table than capture a legendary pokemon or something.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 15th, 2013 10:55 AM

Maybe instead of a vast evil team, but yet not one person they could introduce a tight group of Six or Seven powerful trainers who battle you multiple times...like what they could've done with the sages but didn't. They can be based on a super tight secretive cult looking to create a new world order...hey we had PETA, and ecoterrorists, and crazy god wannabes so why not a Illuminati version?

Zayphora February 18th, 2013 7:04 AM

^That would be cool if each of the "sages" had separate, interesting personalities. Maybe there would be no specific "leader", similar to the way the Kimono Girls thing worked, and they would all be focused on a single area? Wait, for that to work, there would have to be at least nine, one for each gym, and in this scenario I suppose the last one, the E4 one, would be a leader of some sort. Yeah, this would be interesting, but I think GF may have had enough of the "cult" thing with Galactic...but it would still be quite epic, especially if at least one or two of those "sages" were female.

Or, get this- the Interpol is the evil team! They've gone bad and stuff, except for a few of them who try to work with you to bring the agency down from the inside. Plus, this would give you the excuse to dress up in a cool costume like in HGSS with the Radio Tower. And also, we'd get to see Looker again. Wow, this is reminding me of the BW2 speculations when I saw some person speculating that Looker would form an ultimate evil team from the captured former executives of the teams he and the Interpol had brought down...it was by far both the weirdest and most epic idea ever. :P

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 21st, 2013 11:07 PM

I would perfer if they had them wonder around, in the end they could gather and battle you two on two (you and rival) and if there were a seventh you rival allows you to take them on your own, or perhaps the rival distracts while you go get the legend or at least put a stop to it. When you return she or he could have been defeated forcing you to stop the big bad on your own.

Hopefully the evil team will have more ambitious admins, the sage minus two came off as extremely passive, letting themselves be captured so easily, and most of which left all together. I'll like it if the admins compete against one another to either impress the boss or consolidate power (I got this idea from my history class where we talked about how Hitler's cabinet acted amongst themselves in this fashion.)

Archeops12354 February 22nd, 2013 5:55 AM

In all the pokemon games, I kinda liked crime organizations, however the average bad guys (eg. team rocket grunt) were stupidly weak. In white 2, I took out the entire team plasma frigate with one pokemon - Excadrill. Not only that, but they just weren't that fun to battle with.
The only people I actually had fun battling were the executives or leaders of the crime organization (such as N).

I want the villainous teams to return, only if Game Freak make them tougher this gen. Of course, I also wouldn't mind having only seven or eight powerful trainers teaming up against you. Just to freshen the series a bit.

A3R0D4C7YL February 22nd, 2013 6:02 AM

I think it'll be based on space...again...cause Team Rocket,Team Galactic,the only one that doesn't relate to space is Team Aqua/Team Magma...and I think they'll be using Dark,Poison,Ghost,or Psychic types

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 22nd, 2013 9:14 AM

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Originally Posted by A3R0D4C7YL (Post 7549155)
I think it'll be based on space...again...cause Team Rocket,Team Galactic,the only one that doesn't relate to space is Team Aqua/Team Magma...and I think they'll be using Dark,Poison,Ghost,or Psychic types

Actually they all have to do with science terms (Rocket I'm guessing comes from Rocket Science), with Aqua being latin for water (which is used often in science), and Magma representing a stage in the rock cycle, Galactic refers to space science, and Plasma to the fourth stage of matter. So keeping with the science theme it could be Genetic, Spherical, etc.

Jake♫ March 13th, 2013 10:56 AM

If there's anything I want, I just want to have their motivation to be world domination. I felt like Unova stepped away from this initially then sort of returned to it in B2/W2, but I miss the days of Team Rocket just trying to take over whatever they could in hopes of being able to use it to control the region/world. Maybe a more involved storyline than that, but if that was the endgame of their plans I'd be a happy camper.

vaporeon7 March 13th, 2013 11:39 AM

I would like a villan like Hunter J. Having your Pokémon almost stolen early on, only to be saved by that champion or someone would be great.

Jake♫ March 13th, 2013 12:05 PM

I'd actually love to see something like that as well, but I doubt that they'd make you have your Pokémon stolen. A lot of the player base probably wouldn't like it, but I definitely would. Having to make do with whatever they'd give you to fight to get your own Pokémon back would be a really good story moment.

Jake♫ March 13th, 2013 12:15 PM

I wholeheartedly agree. After five generations being the untouchable hero who is just a kid is getting ridiculous. For starters, you're just a kid. It can't be that hard for a group of adults to manipulate a child into doing something they want. They did it with N, but the hero? Pshh, impossible. I think I said this in another thread but I want to see consequences for our actions instead of having a perfectly linear storyline.

Of course, it's not going to happen, because why fix what isn't broken ;_;

Warship March 15th, 2013 8:15 AM

i think the new team may think that pokemon s are far too powerful and thus dangerous so they might actually try to kidnap and catch pokemon it would be cool i think :D

Zorogami March 15th, 2013 8:20 AM

I would love to see the Evil team succeed during a part of the game. I think it would be interesting if they "stole" all of your Pokemon and locked you up in their hide-out. Somehow you would manage to break free, and you'd find find one of your Pokemon in the cell next to yours, but just one. You would free him, and you would try to flee from the hide-out. While you are escaping, you would have to battle some members of the evil organization, eventually finding all your Pokemon and breaking them free.
It would be nice to see the hero actually struggling and being in serious trouble, it would make him more "human", if you know what i mean? And it would make for a really exciting storyline!

Blue Emerald March 15th, 2013 9:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Kanto_Johto (Post 7477823)
Going with the X and Y theme, maybe the new villainous team will capture Pokemon and try to splice their genes/DNA together like mad scientists? And as the protagonists you have to stop them from trying to work against nature/creating mutant Pokemon?

I actually hope this happens. For the past fourteen years, we've been fighting nothing but regular Pokemon throughout each game. I've always wanted the next game to allow us to fight stuff that wasn't Pokemon (PokeStar was a step in the right direction), so I would love if the next evil team battled with hybrid Pokemon, because they'd be so hard to prepare for. What types would they be? What would be their abilities? What attacks would they use?

And can we please drop the "Team" from the name? Team Rocket, Team Magma, Team Aqua, Team Snagem, Team Galactic, Team Plasma -- it's like they're all part of some global villainous organization and their team names were assigned to them. I mean, seriously, talk about lacking in creativity.

For instance, let's say the next organization does dabble in mutant Pokemon. Call 'em something like the "Genome Faction" or the "Hybrid Agency" -- something cool and original.

Jake♫ March 15th, 2013 10:14 AM

Oh lord I hope we never have that actually. It's so much unneeded game data when they're already making who knows how many new Pokémon as it is. If we're throwing hybrids into the mix then it's just going to be an awful mess in my opinion. But hey, that's just me =P

However, Team ____ has gotten stale, so I agree with it. I doubt they're going to change it since it's worked this long, why bother? I'd love to see something more original though.

C Payne March 15th, 2013 3:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Zorogami (Post 7581950)
I would love to see the Evil team succeed during a part of the game. I think it would be interesting if they "stole" all of your Pokemon and locked you up in their hide-out. Somehow you would manage to break free, and you'd find find one of your Pokemon in the cell next to yours, but just one. You would free him, and you would try to flee from the hide-out. While you are escaping, you would have to battle some members of the evil organization, eventually finding all your Pokemon and breaking them free.
It would be nice to see the hero actually struggling and being in serious trouble, it would make him more "human", if you know what i mean? And it would make for a really exciting storyline!

Now that is a freakin' crazy...enough to work idea, I LOVE it! Having to find our way out of the hide-out while regaining our Pokemon along the way.

Yamiidenryuu March 15th, 2013 5:31 PM

The "team" thing is a bit more reasonable in the original japanese, where it's actually a rather more menacing "gang", but that obviously wouldn't fly well overseas, so.

Zorogami March 16th, 2013 3:41 AM

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Originally Posted by C Payne (Post 7582598)
Now that is a freakin' crazy...enough to work idea, I LOVE it! Having to find our way out of the hide-out while regaining our Pokemon along the way.

Haha thanks, although i think it's pretty much day-dreaming I'd love to actually seem something like that in the new games. It would add some "hero" feeling to the main character and definitely make matters so much more personal than usually.

Guy April 9th, 2013 9:41 AM

Given recent news, anyone think Team Rocket might have reassembled once more? We never did find out where Giovanni went after he left Tojho Falls. Perhaps he's the head of a whole new team after abandoning Team Rocket once and for all?

Not that I'm willing to bet that will happen, but it's an interesting thought.

Iqid Loopz April 9th, 2013 10:40 AM

Maybe! A past character goes insane, evil, corrupt, and brings havoc upon the region. Like Red, Wallace, or Whitney and her Miltank for God sakes (Which would be the most terrifying boss leader EVAR!). Maybe a Gym Leader(s) or Elite 4 uprising/rebellion with a back story to it of course.

But since the reveal of 'Mewthree' I presume it's Team Rocket. But with a twist, the leader of this Team Rocket branch is your own in-game mother or the Professor! Dun Dun Duuuuun!

Back story of your mother being a rocket member goes back for years. But in current time you want to go on a Pokemon journey, but your mother refuse and forbids you from going. But obviously a 12 year old like you, don't give a thing. You go against her and run away, on a journey. And in the very end of the game, you win the heart of your mother, and she quits as a Rocket member/leader.

With a bonus of Jesse, James and Meowth returning, trying to take your Pokemon every time you fight. Appearing traditionally like your rival, but slightly stronger then you in every confrontation. BUT if you fail to defeat them. 100% 1 or 2 of your Pokemon will be stolen from you by you know who while you white out. And you have to take them back, somehow.

Or an evil Legendary Pokemon leads a brand new Team, bringing the ruckus to the region!

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 9th, 2013 11:13 AM

I rather not see anime characters in this game...they haven't shown up in any other than Yellow which was based on the anime...

At first I thought maybe Silver will be the boss, but he doesn't like Rocket, and changed for the better at the end of the Johto games, so I doubt it.

I'm hoping it's not Team Rocket again, as having them for a third time as a villainous group would be bothersome...though maybe they are back and these games take place during B2W2, and the grunt from Unova decided to go to this region, deciding to go back to Rocket after all, thus why he was no longer in the second Unova pair.

Ho-Oh April 9th, 2013 4:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Aerilyn (Post 7616847)
Given recent news, anyone think Team Rocket might have reassembled once more? We never did find out where Giovanni went after he left Tojho Falls. Perhaps he's the head of a whole new team after abandoning Team Rocket once and for all?

Not that I'm willing to bet that will happen, but it's an interesting thought.

I think rather than all of TR, maybe just him. With that in mind he could launch a modern genetics-based team, which appears to be just scientists... BUT REALLY IS AN EVIL TEAM!

Iqid Loopz April 10th, 2013 10:20 AM

Imagine Giovanni and Cyrus has some sort of cross over somewhere in the game, since Giovanni is like MIA and Cyrus is also MIA. It would be interesting that the two has something. I don't want to go deep. But either good or bad thing in-game wise.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 10th, 2013 2:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Iqid Loopz (Post 7618083)
Imagine Giovanni and Cyrus has some sort of cross over somewhere in the game, since Giovanni is like MIA and Cyrus is also MIA. It would be interesting that the two has something. I don't want to go deep. But either good or bad thing in-game wise.

Add in Ghetsis and you've got yourself an unholy trinity of villlainy (in Pokemon standards). Perhaps the evil team will be made by Ghetsis...and that thing about him being crazy was all a farce made by the Shadow triad (another unholy trinity) to keep the player from B2W2 and the rest from catching up to him. Ghetsis did after all look into Team Rocket, and Team Galactic (and this team had some creepy looking experiments in their Veilstone Hq, maybe they be genetic related?). Perhaps he discovered their research into Genetics (team rocket did research Pokemon forced Pokemon evolution) and thus he discovered about the DNA Splicers, and at the same time learned about these legends. When his plans in Unova failed he may have decided to move on to greener fields.

Ho-Oh April 10th, 2013 4:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Iqid Loopz (Post 7618083)
Imagine Giovanni and Cyrus has some sort of cross over somewhere in the game, since Giovanni is like MIA and Cyrus is also MIA. It would be interesting that the two has something. I don't want to go deep. But either good or bad thing in-game wise.

Cyrus would probably make the game crazy evil. Like try to take over everything and ruin everyone, and I don't think now's the time for that. Giovanni would fit in because it'd relate to Mewthree, and so on.

Archeops12354 April 11th, 2013 4:46 AM

At the end of B2/W2, I thought that Ghetsis had been defeated once and for all, but some of you think that Ghetsis will return...?

Iqid Loopz April 11th, 2013 7:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7618535)
Cyrus would probably make the game crazy evil. Like try to take over everything and ruin everyone, and I don't think now's the time for that. Giovanni would fit in because it'd relate to Mewthree, and so on.

Giovanni wants or has Mewthree. But Cyrus somehow comes back with a plan, again. Heard about Mewthree and wants to use it as a weapon. But Giovanni refuses. A small war between them breaks out. And the player is on the sidelines, popcorn in hand, watching...until an attack accidentally hits you and force you to join the confrontation. That's what I was thinking.

But I want a Cyrus and Ghetsis comeback so badly, involving Giovanni for Mewthree

It's like a mind blowing Trinity of E.V.I.L.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 11th, 2013 8:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Archeops12354 (Post 7619264)
At the end of B2/W2, I thought that Ghetsis had been defeated once and for all, but some of you think that Ghetsis will return...?

He escaped again...and I don't trust the Shadow Triad was telling all the truth. So until that guy is arrested or put into an asylum I still think he can return...

Yup an unholy trinity between those three would be something to behold...with Giovanni's influence, Cyrus' technology, and Ghetsis' ability to manipulate people those three will make quite the challenge...story wise, and hopefully game play wise...

Ho-Oh April 11th, 2013 7:52 PM

What if the Shadow Triad were initially sent to pick up data on the legendaries, and slowly the henchmen of all the teams appeared, all after the same goal, but not necessarily working together - and when the three fight, it'd bring about great chaos. I mean that's the only way I can see all three of them making up an evil team.

Zayphora April 12th, 2013 3:40 AM

OMG, a Cyrus, Giovanni and Ghetsis thing? YES WANT!!! That would make for some messed up storyline...and it would be AMAZING. Though that seems super awesome in itself, I'd rather Ghetsis got pulled out of the mix, because he's been in two games so far and I feel like he's getting a bit overrated.

However, if I had to choose between this and some if the other proposals I've seen (like my ridiculous Team Nova thing.) I don't think this idea would get my vote. I kinda want something...NEW, you know?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 12th, 2013 8:23 AM

Yeah, it'll probably be a new team. Maybe Team Splicer or Spiral? To fit the GRAMPS meme?

Iqid Loopz April 12th, 2013 10:33 AM

Things would be more complicated if A new Team spawned. And as a new team, less experience and calls out Rocket, Plasma, and Galactic. Putting them on blast. Then input Giovanni, Cyrus, Ghetsis with Mewthree, A new legendary, and (Ho-oH/Rayquaza)? or Mew in the mix. Omg that actually sounds frightening how things will unfold.

Well merge this with Forevers Shadow Triad theory then think.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 12th, 2013 11:45 AM

I don't think they'll have any legendaries on them...and in game Giovanni never actually had Mewtwo under his posession unlike in the anime, or at least as far as Gen 1's concerned.
If Giovanni were to reappear I see Silver showing up to stop him...maybe he'll finally find his father...

Tsunagi April 12th, 2013 5:53 PM

That "mewthree" in the screenshot of X and Y is probably involved with the new villain team.
Kinda like Team Rocket and Mewtwo, but this time with a twist, that's what I cannot come up with :P
And I'd still stick with the DNA/Genetic theme though, if the "mewthree" relation is... well, false :D

proN April 13th, 2013 11:07 AM

The bug and bird type pokemon, if they're real, i think they sorta look like the bug is like team magma symbol and bird like team aqua . I'm not sure but I'm happy as long as either team magma or team galactic returns in a way. Team aqua can do whatever, they're just 'sea-loving idiots'.

Bluerang1 May 15th, 2013 7:22 PM

Big Bad Wolves
 
I've come to the conclusion that if X&Y are going to keep breaking some traditions as some rumours have suggested, then reinventing the "Evil Team" can be one. I for one would like an evil organization, one named without the word "Team". So like an League or Circle or something of the sort. r perhaps the government can be against us, like some have said. Or perhaps no evil team at all.

What would you like to see in terms of a big bad or lack thereof?

White Raven May 15th, 2013 9:40 PM

i love bad guys. they make the story be not just about friends, but about protect the world

LycaNinja May 15th, 2013 9:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bluerang1 (Post 7663586)
I've come to the conclusion that if X&Y are going to keep breaking some traditions as some rumours have suggested, then reinventing the "Evil Team" can be one. I for one would like an evil organization, one named without the word "Team". So like an League or Circle or something of the sort. r perhaps the government can be against us, like some have said. Or perhaps no evil team at all.

What would you like to see in terms of a big bad or lack thereof?

After the gym leaders all teamed up to help you in the previous game, I'd love to see more of the manga style, with the gym leaders all being evil and with a Dark gym leader already! Maybe a dual type of Fairy-Light/Dark gym.

I would love dual typing gyms being everywhere... If they did dual type gyms, however, I think the 8*2=16 would leave 1-2 types out unless there are more new types. If they did this I bet that the types left out would be Fairy-Light and Dark type meaning that Dark-type would be left by the evil team and Fairy-Light would be the Elite Four Champion's type.

If the rumors of Xerneas and Yveltal being Life/Death Pokemon, I bet the evil organization will be after Yveltal and then Xerneas comes in to save the day in X. In Y, the evil organization will be after Xerneas to prevent his impact on them and Yveltal comes in to save the day in order to keep the balance of life and death.

Zorogami May 15th, 2013 11:13 PM

Some sort of evil team definitely needs to be included in the games!
It helps to feel like the hero of the game, and they always make for some good plots.
I would love to see a rather "classic" evil team like team rocket again, that is just looking to make a profit with Pokemon

Ho-Oh May 16th, 2013 6:15 AM

I don't think there will be an evil team at this point. It just feels like they should say at least something about the evil team and the fact that they haven't makes me think that there really won't be. If that's the case, maybe we're just fighting ourselves for a better region...

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 16th, 2013 8:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7664056)
I don't think there will be an evil team at this point. It just feels like they should say at least something about the evil team and the fact that they haven't makes me think that there really won't be. If that's the case, maybe we're just fighting ourselves for a better region...

Plasma wasn't introduce until around the summer after the announcement of 5 so we still go time for GF to announce the evil team of this generation. Now if they were to not have any news on them for this summer then you'll probably be right.

A rumor is saying the new evil teams are called Acid and Base...sort of ruins the GRAMPS meme...now it's GRAMPAB lol

SolarAbusoru May 16th, 2013 8:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7664056)
I don't think there will be an evil team at this point. It just feels like they should say at least something about the evil team and the fact that they haven't makes me think that there really won't be. If that's the case, maybe we're just fighting ourselves for a better region...

There will always be an evil team, it's what provides the games main conflict as the evil team always represents the people who try and do wrong with Pokemon, without an evil team, the game is just about collecting badges and that'd be kinda boring, so yes we're getting an evil team, that's one tradition of the main series that'll never disappear, and for good reason.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 16th, 2013 8:20 AM

Hope they make the evil team smart for once, sure the grunts being dumb makes them easy to control but it get's old fast. Maybe make a team with a hierarchy like dumb muscle grunts, smarter grunts, Admins, and Boss or something like that.

Jigglymilk May 16th, 2013 9:55 AM

It'd be nice if the evil villain was a surprise character that you know throughout the game and they are revealed to be the leader or at least an executive at the climactic legendary pokemon scene. And this time, NOT make it so obvious like they did with
Spoiler:
Colress

blue May 16th, 2013 10:07 AM

I'd be pretty surprised and disappointed if there was no evil team for this generation, I always enjoy the involvement with the villainous team in Pokemon games.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 16th, 2013 11:59 AM

Me too...it'll make the games dull unless the team was replace by some other antagonistic force like a Pokémon that challenges you and tries to hurt you...but that doesn't sound likely (Darkrai is the closest) so evil team it is.

Jake♫ May 16th, 2013 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7664056)
I don't think there will be an evil team at this point. It just feels like they should say at least something about the evil team and the fact that they haven't makes me think that there really won't be. If that's the case, maybe we're just fighting ourselves for a better region...

It's pretty much a guarantee honestly. Every single game has had an evil team be the driving force of the story outside of beating the eight gyms. I wouldn't mind having a shift away to that something totally different, but I don't think a lack of information about them says that there isn't one.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 16th, 2013 12:20 PM

Maybe GF will release them closer to release to make it easier on those who are trying to not spoil themselves (I'm not really one of them btw). As it's like a giant cookie for fans, and hard to resist.

blue May 16th, 2013 1:45 PM

Unless they make us aware of the name of the evil corporation, their members etc but keep their motive a secret for us to figure out in-game.

HyperXhydra May 16th, 2013 4:16 PM

I like it how in BW plasma take over the Pokemon league instead of the usual plot defeat gym leader defeat evil team then defeat elite four, that's why I like BW more than BW2, I hope they make something new this time.

Jake♫ May 16th, 2013 6:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7664516)
Unless they make us aware of the name of the evil corporation, their members etc but keep their motive a secret for us to figure out in-game.

Which I'd rather actually prefer that'd they would continue doing with this game. I like having very small information about the plot itself. Maybe they can show their design for the grunts, but other than that I wouldn't want to see the leader of the team or want to know what their motives were ahead of time. It's way more fun to discover it in-game.

Gulpin May 16th, 2013 6:28 PM

Has anyone else thought about the XYZ
affair
for a possible inspiration for the evil team (or if not the team, the plot)? I know it's fairly obscure but it does have some interesting similarities to X&Y considering that the affair was a conflict between the United States (Unova) and France (Kalos), and the obvious similarity of the names of the conflict and the games. I'm not extremely informed about the details about the XYZ affair but there may be something there that could be a source of inspiration for the plot of the games and the evil team of Kalos. Anyways, I thought it would be interesting to discuss this obscure similarity between the games and a small conflict in the history between the US and France.

LycaNinja May 16th, 2013 7:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deku (Post 7664794)
Has anyone else thought about the XYZ
affair
for a possible inspiration for the evil team (or if not the team, the plot)? I know it's fairly obscure but it does have some interesting similarities to X&Y considering that the affair was a conflict between the United States (Unova) and France (Kalos), and the obvious similarity of the names of the conflict and the games. I'm not extremely informed about the details about the XYZ affair but there may be something there that could be a source of inspiration for the plot of the games and the evil team of Kalos. Anyways, I thought it would be interesting to discuss this obscure similarity between the games and a small conflict in the history between the US and France.

The XYZ Affair was the first thing that came to my head actually, but I never thought of the evil team being apart of that... I'm not sure if there is much substance there, but maybe they could stretch it out to cover a team.

SolarAbusoru May 16th, 2013 9:31 PM

aftaer a quick google search, I'd say maybe not, the XYZ affair is a bit too political, especially for Pokemon.

JayTheKing May 17th, 2013 11:31 AM

I have some options in my mind.
Team Ragnarok:The only advanced city is apparently Lumiose.Team Ragnarok wants the world to return to a medival style and wants to use the legendaries for that.
Another Edition:They want to catch the legendaries that affect the seasons(Maybe the trio of this gen?)to mess up the world
Their emblem will be a wolf's head with a viking helmet

Team ???:Wants the Legendaries' DNA in order to reinforce their pokemon so they can rule the world.

Pokemon they will use:Gogoat/Gogoat evo and if the fairy type is true some sort of Vaniresque pokemon.

LycaNinja May 17th, 2013 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayTheKing (Post 7665590)
I have some options in my mind.
Team Ragnarok:The only advanced city is apparently Lumiose.Team Ragnarok wants the world to return to a medival style and wants to use the legendaries for that.
Another Edition:They want to catch the legendaries that affect the seasons(Maybe the trio of this gen?)to mess up the world
Their emblem will be a wolf's head with a viking helmet

Team ???:Wants the Legendaries' DNA in order to reinforce their pokemon so they can rule the world.

Pokemon they will use:Gogoat/Gogoat evo and if the fairy type is true some sort of Vaniresque pokemon.

I think it would be cool if Odin, Loki, Thor (With name alterations, but where its still obvious) played a part in this... With Loki betraying them, even though this would be obvious to people who know the Gods...

Also here is my copypasta from the general speculation thread since it is relevant:

Quote:

Originally Posted by LycaNinja (Post 7665116)
Norse Mythology... Norse Mythology... NORSE MYTHOLOGY...

Check this out...

Yggdrasil looks like this area of the map...
http://i.imgur.com/9pPcELm.jpg

Xerneas
Yveltal
Z_____

Team name? Team Ragnarok?


Lazerith May 17th, 2013 12:25 PM

There are a lot of things pointing at norse mythology in X and Y.

Considering this, perhaps the team could be known as "Team Ragnarok?"

tnfsf11 May 20th, 2013 12:51 PM

Another Team would be just very typical & maybe boring if they're not badass enough...
How about the "Team" turns everyone into zombies then it's my role to stop them AND find a cure? (that would be awesome yet not acceptable considering this is -kind of- a kids' game)
LOL :P playing Silent Hill sure screws one's mind a lot...

Zorogami May 21st, 2013 1:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnonygooseD (Post 7669459)
How about the "Team" turns everyone into zombies then it's my role to stop them AND find a cure?

Haha this would definitely be something else xD

The evil team usually wants to capture the Legendary Mascot to rule over the world,
so im guessing this time will be pretty much the same.

blue May 21st, 2013 2:14 AM

I'm putting money on Team Spectrum, then that would complete the whole "Gramps" theory ;)

Zorogami May 21st, 2013 3:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7670107)
I'm putting money on Team Spectrum, then that would complete the whole "Gramps" theory ;)

Oh man i totally forgot about all that!! xD
I'm now officially leaning towards Team Spectrum as well :D

Jake♫ May 21st, 2013 5:41 AM

As much as I love all the Norse Mythology ideas, is it bad I'm just expecting a generic Team DNA to just pop up?

Jake♫ May 21st, 2013 8:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7670365)
This, more or less. I doubt that evil Pokemon teams would be that sophisticated, really. .__.;

Which is a shame honestly, there is a lot they could do with this theme honestly, but I doubt they'd want to get too deep, as the main audience is kids. They wouldn't really have much knowledge on it, or really look that deep into it. Of course, it would be the same if they left it simple, so going for something that the older fan base could dig into would be awesome.

Jake♫ May 24th, 2013 12:03 PM

It's very true that genetics itself is a deep subject, but so are space and time. Pokémon is pretty good at taking complex ideas and simplifying them so that the player base of the games can understand the story and what is trying to be accomplished. I mean, if it their focus is genetics, they could be pretty basic and just say they're gaining control of the mascot Pokémon to change their DNA to make super Pokémon. On the theme and still super basic.


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