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Captain Fabio January 8th, 2013 3:38 AM

3DS Exclusive - RIP Pokemon?
 

Will the 3DS cut off the audience?

Now we know the game is for the 3DS only, do you think this will cut down on the audience that can be targeted? The Pokemon games have always followed the trend of going onto a new handheld, but with the 3DS being the 'newest' console and some people not being able to afford it, do you think it will hurt the amount of people who can actually play the game?

Do you think that enough people have the 3DS? Do you think it is just how the games industry flows, going onto a new console? Do you think it is fair? What do you think of the lack of DS editions?


professor plum January 8th, 2013 3:43 AM

Definitely not. I mean, the Nintendo Direct was pretty much all about the natural progression of the series from handheld console to console. If people transitioned from GBC to GBA, I don't see why they won't transition to the 3DS. It just makes sense.

Captain Fabio January 8th, 2013 3:43 AM

I think if any game can boost and push the 3DS, it would be Pokemon. If I am honest, the announcement of the game and my first views of it, it is making me consider getting a 3DS later down the line for the game.


SolarAbusoru January 8th, 2013 3:43 AM

If anything, the release of these games on the 3DS will increase sells of the 3DS, plus due to the interactivity between Black 2 White 2 and the 3DS game Dream Radar, yeah it's not gonna end.

MrGriszell January 8th, 2013 3:43 AM

I don't think it's going to be an issue. When talking in Japan the majority have a 3DS.
In the U.S. I believe enough people have a 3ds.
But it's not like the 3ds hasn't been out for a while my friend.
Those who are pokemon fans will buy one

Overlord Drakow January 8th, 2013 3:44 AM

Not to mention Pokemon X and Y does not come out until October at which time I am certain that at the very least the regular 3DS will have gone down in price.

jellotime91 January 8th, 2013 3:44 AM

No. There's your answer.

It'll be just the opposite - this new Pokemon game will help the 3DS become a much bigger sell.

People buy new consoles for new games, it's not rocket science.

Rainbow Arcanine January 8th, 2013 3:44 AM

I have to agree there, I think Pokemon could promote the console of 3DS and since with amazing games already out like the newest Animal Crossing, over time more people have started owning a 3DS,so no I don't think this will affect the games industry too much.

Aeon. January 8th, 2013 3:45 AM

I consider myself 'done' with the DS and it's time to move on. I don't think it will push too many people away (maybe those who pirate excessively and those who aren't willing to give chances). Besides, there are several people who will buy a 3DS just for a new Pokemon game.

Olli January 8th, 2013 3:45 AM

Not really. The change was inevitable, and a whole lot slower than the one to the DS. By keeping the games on the DS as well, it really limited what they could do with the games. I mean look at those graphics, and how it's entirely in 3D now. This change just gave me more of a reason to actually buy a 3DS now, and I doubt I'm the only one who has it that way.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire January 8th, 2013 3:47 AM

I don't think so. If there's any harm done to the games reception it'll proably be at the same level as Generation 3's, still be the best games in the system.

spike6958 January 8th, 2013 3:47 AM

No way, if anything this is the game that'll save the 3DS. Let's be honest, while it's a lot better now than it was, the 3DS is still struggling in the games department, but finally getting a main series Pokemon title will boost sales insanely. In fact, most people I know who where holding off on getting a 3DS where specifically waiting for Pokemon to be announced before buying one.

Skymin January 8th, 2013 3:48 AM

Yknow, I don't think so at all. For one, the 3ds isn't excessively over expensive, especially if you're buying preowned. Plus, it plays all the DS games so I can see a heap of kids trading in their old DSis for 3ds'.

Plus, as soon as you say "this console is being phased out", every mother seems worried a DS will be a waste of space and upgrade

Ivysaur January 8th, 2013 3:50 AM

In Japan, 3DS has already sold better than the PS3 (10 mill VS 9 mill) and it's already 1/3 of the DS sales (32 mill), adding an average 200k per week (source, using info from Media Create), so, if anything, this game will boost the console a bit further. In Europe and the US, where the sales are a bit slower, it will be the step they needed to kill off DS and force people to move on.

There have always been people who couldn't afford buying a GBA and that didn't kill Pokémon after Gen II.

LegendaryMohawk January 8th, 2013 3:50 AM

The only problem is, you buy the 3DS to play pokemon, but what else? You can't just buy a new console just to play 1 or 2 games on.

Yeah you may buy more games for it later down the line, but in the end your spending how ever much for a new console and new game(s) instead of just the new game.

The Undisputed Era January 8th, 2013 3:52 AM

For me they will lose tons of sales from this, A massive majority of sales for BW2 came from the standard DS buyers rather than 3DS users. SO in my opinion pokemon will be laid to rest this year, not everyone can afford a 3DS, I know they moved it to the 3ds so that they could make the graphics better and stuff but that still doesn't excuse the fact they just took a massive crap on standard DS users such as myself.

Captain Fabio January 8th, 2013 3:52 AM

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Originally Posted by X3 (Post 7477489)
The only problem is, you buy the 3DS to play pokemon, but what else? You can't just buy a new console just to play 1 or 2 games on.

Now, this is a very good point. If you don't have a 3DS already, how many of you are buying the console for this game alone?


Ω Ruby and α Sapphire January 8th, 2013 3:53 AM

This will massively shift 3DS's through the roof, it looks brilliant!

Renyui! January 8th, 2013 3:54 AM

I doubt it will slow sales, considering most of the target audience own a 3DS. Heck, I know a lot of my friends bought a DS for 4th gen way back, and it's not like the 3DS doesn't look promising in the future.

blue January 8th, 2013 3:54 AM

It will certainly boost 3DS Sales, I can imagine many people would buy a 3DS solely for these games.

Urugamosu January 8th, 2013 3:55 AM

Yeah, I doubt it.

The 3DS seems to have a lot in sales, which means it probably has a broad audience. And the people who do not have one, will probably have one in the for the game.

Jeremy January 8th, 2013 3:55 AM

Clearly the answer is no, sweetie. The 3DS is doing well. And by all means, this will also be a console pusher as well.

Also as Went pointed out, Pokémon being on the GBA didn't kill off the franchise after II.

Ivysaur January 8th, 2013 3:57 AM

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Originally Posted by LMFAO. Word up. (Post 7477498)
For me they will lose tons of sales from this, A massive majority of sales for BW2 came from the standard DS buyers rather than 3DS users. SO in my opinion pokemon will be laid to rest this year, not everyone can afford a 3DS, I know they moved it to the 3ds so that they could make the graphics better and stuff but that still doesn't excuse the fact they just took a massive crap on standard DS users such as myself.

At this point, it's like complaining because there aren't enough PS2 games being released- instead everything is for the PS3! DS is outdated and BW2 were their swan song. Don't expect much else to be ever realeased for the DS anymore- certainly not Nintendo AAA's. All consoles die, and there has been enough "transition time" since the 3DS was released- it's time to move on and not let the huge DS limitations to force the programmers to make worse games than they could. Otherwise, we might as well still be playing our NESes.

C Payne January 8th, 2013 3:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X3 (Post 7477489)
The only problem is, you buy the 3DS to play pokemon, but what else? You can't just buy a new console just to play 1 or 2 games on.

Yeah you may buy more games for it later down the line, but in the end your spending how ever much for a new console and new game(s) instead of just the new game.

Well that's just a sacrifice you're going to have to make then and you're going to have to get it eventually anyways because everything moves on at some point.

Captain Fabio January 8th, 2013 4:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura (Post 7477534)
Just gonna say this - it's already cheap. Some say it's being made at a loss.

It is a lot cheaper now, indeed, but people will still have to pay for it. So who knows.


SilverCrown January 8th, 2013 4:03 AM

I've already owned a 3DS before, and had sold it because of the lacking amount of games out for it that interested me.

As much as I want to get these new games, I can't justify getting a new 3DS just for these. Will just have to wait and see if the prices go down lower than they are now for the 3DS.

Ho-Oh January 8th, 2013 4:05 AM

I think once enough people see the advertising and everything of these games, they'll easily get a 3DS for it. Not many might have them now, but Pokemon fans certainly don't like missing out on things and I don't think there will be a shortage on people getting the 3DS to get the games.

vaporeon7 January 8th, 2013 4:06 AM

I think the games will give a reason to many to buy a 3DS now. And as Jake said, they're not that expensive now anyway.

Captain Fabio January 8th, 2013 4:08 AM

This announcement will certainly put the 3DS in the spot light, so maybe more companies will start making content for it, since one of the biggest out there has put their game on it.


Mew~ January 8th, 2013 4:08 AM

I've held onto my 3DS since I bought it on the first day of release, and I've been happy with it since.

Of course these games are going to boost 3DS sales, not that they're at a low, anyway.

Also, the 3DS has a great library of games, if you're a new buyer, there are amazing upcoming games like Animal Crossing and Luigi's Mansion coming up, and there's also a great existing Library with titles such as Kid Icarus, and Mario Kart! :>

Hikamaru January 8th, 2013 4:08 AM

Pokemon is the second most popular gaming franchise in the world, so this could help 3DS sales a lot.

And I'm so glad I got a 3DS for Christmas cos I didn't want to feel left out, but I guess for some fans it means the final nail in the coffin.

C Payne January 8th, 2013 4:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Fabio (Post 7477551)

It is a lot cheaper now, indeed, but people will still have to pay for it. So who knows.


So they should not have made GBA games because the GB/C had a bigger owner percentage, DS because GBA had a bigger owner percentage? No offense, but that argument has really gotten stale. By the time these games come out, the 3DS will be ~ 5 months shy of 3 years old, that's plenty of time to scrap up enough cash for one(especially with the early price drop it got for waiters and the rumored slight price drop popping up soon, if it hasn't already; It's not like it doesn't have bc either so you can continue playing your ds games.

LegendaryMohawk January 8th, 2013 4:10 AM

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Originally Posted by C Payne (Post 7477533)
Well that's just a sacrifice you're going to have to make then and you're going to have to get it eventually anyways because everything moves on at some point.

But I don't see why they don't just go to the Wii and put the games on that. It will make the graphics a lot better for one and give the game something else.

Alright they want it being a handheld but theres only so much a handheld console can be evolved before it reaches it maximum.

Captain Fabio January 8th, 2013 4:12 AM

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Originally Posted by C Payne (Post 7477583)
So they should not have made GBA games because the GB/C had a bigger owner percentage, DS because GBA had a bigger owner percentage? No offense, but that argument has really gotten stale. By the time these games come out, the 3DS will be around ~ 5 months shy of 3 years old, that's plenty of time to scrap up enough cash for one; It's not like it doesn't have bc either.

Hey, I might not agree with the OP, I am just sparking discussion! :P

The games industry has to move forward and the gamers have to follow, so some people could just see this as a 'normal' thing to happen. But with the lack of DS games, is it fair?


Yoshikko January 8th, 2013 4:14 AM

Wtf? Well I guess I'm not getting it then. There's no way that I'm buying a 3DS with which I seriously don't want to do anything just for one game. Can't have an R4 on it either so yeah no. I'll wait for the internet to find a way lol.

C Payne January 8th, 2013 4:17 AM

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Originally Posted by X3 (Post 7477587)
But I don't see why they don't just go to the Wii and put the games on that. It will make the graphics a lot better for one and give the game something else.

Alright they want it being a handheld but theres only so much a handheld console can be evolved before it reaches it maximum.

You should read up on why they feel like a handheld is best fit for the main games of the series. ;) Also, why release for the Wii when that's already gotten the boot for some time now? If you mean the Wii U, I repeat that first sentence I said. It's not like the Wii U isn't going to get some amazing spin-offs; spin offs are always all over the place.


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Originally Posted by Captain Fabio (Post 7477594)

Hey, I might not agree with the OP, I am just sparking discussion! :P

The games industry has to move forward and the gamers have to follow, so some people could just see this as a 'normal' thing to happen. But with the lack of DS games, is it fair?


Lack of DS games in what respect? Pokemon-wise, the DS has an overabundance of it; a 3DS main title announcement has been overdue really. :P That wasn't meant for a personal attack either, just a response to that saying in general.

Eps January 8th, 2013 4:19 AM

If you cannot afford the small amount for a 3DS in the next 10 months, then you need to take a good long look at what you're doing wrong with your life.

shengar January 8th, 2013 4:26 AM

I wouldn't think soo, considered the cutesy graphic they had and with much cut prices 3DS had lately.....


Quote:

Originally Posted by Went (Post 7477526)
At this point, it's like complaining because there aren't enough PS2 games being released- instead everything is for the PS3! DS is outdated and BW2 were their swan song. Don't expect much else to be ever realeased for the DS anymore- certainly not Nintendo AAA's. All consoles die, and there has been enough "transition time" since the 3DS was released- it's time to move on and not let the huge DS limitations to force the programmers to make worse games than they could. Otherwise, we might as well still be playing our NESes.

I agreed too. DS is already dying. There is no point prolong their life, let them rest and Baton Pass it to 3DS.

dieter57 January 8th, 2013 4:34 AM

I'm more excited for the full 3D models! Anybody remember Pokemon coliseum and Pokemon XD? It's something I've wanted on handheld for a long long time and I finally have! I am really excited for this new change.

Goblinaro January 8th, 2013 4:37 AM

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Originally Posted by X3 (Post 7477489)
The only problem is, you buy the 3DS to play pokemon, but what else? You can't just buy a new console just to play 1 or 2 games on.

The moment I saw the 3DS at E3 2010, I started saving up and bought it on launch. And I have never regretted the decision.

There may have used to be a deficit of good games, but they've got plenty of good games now. I own Mario Kart, OoT 3D, Kingdom Hearts DDD, Scribblenauts Unlimited, and Super Mario 3D Land. Plus there are great games already out that I've been wanting to get such as Paper Mario, New Super Mario Bros. 2, Kid Icarus: Uprising and Animal Crossing. Plus there are more games coming out for it that are top class. Personally I'm really looking forward to Fire Emblem: Awakening in February, and now I have a Pokemon game to look forward to later down the road. Plus if you don't like much of the games for it you could always check out the Nintendo eShop and get really good downloadable games for cheap, and since the eShop carried over all the games from the DSi, the library is quite expansive and the quality is good as well.

With the price drop, I feel that the 3DS is worth buying now more than ever. And considering that the DSi XL was once more costly than the 3DS is I don't see why families that could afford one of the DS models when it was new can't afford this with a trade-in or from just buying one used. Pokemon is far from dying, and X and Y can only serve to further boost the sales of the 3DS.

P.S. can't wait for the inevitable "Pokemon Z" announcement. XD

ZetaZaku January 8th, 2013 4:38 AM

Until XY gets released, many games will come out. At least there are lot I'm looking forward to. I already have at least 10 games I'm looking forward too, and it's just the beginning of 3DS. But Pokemon is the main reason for me to get one, so I hoped for a later release. I'm also happy it comes out this year. Too bad the prices are terrible in my country.

Thus, while maybe coming out too soon for the west (double edged sword for international release?), it will certainly boost the sales of 3DS. The only bad thing is that those who don't buy the game soon enough, will miss out some wifi gifts.

blue January 8th, 2013 4:40 AM

There will probably be a Christmas promotion where you can get an exclusive 3DS with Pokemon X or Y pre-installed for a reasonable price.

Captain Fabio January 8th, 2013 4:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7477698)
There will probably be a Christmas promotion where you can get an exclusive 3DS with Pokemon X or Y pre-installed for a reasonable price.

I was thinking this, which would be a nice offer. I would certainly wait for that offer if I were to, finally, decide to get it again.


shengar January 8th, 2013 4:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Goblinaro (Post 7477693)
The moment I saw the 3DS at E3 2010, I started saving up and bought it on launch. And I have never regretted the decision.

There may have used to be a deficit of good games, but they've got plenty of good games now. I own Mario Kart, OoT 3D, Kingdom Hearts DDD, Scribblenauts Unlimited, and Super Mario 3D Land. Plus there are great games already out that I've been wanting to get such as Paper Mario, New Super Mario Bros. 2, Kid Icarus: Uprising and Animal Crossing. Plus there are more games coming out for it that are top class. Personally I'm really looking forward to Fire Emblem: Awakening in February, and now I have a Pokemon game to look forward to later down the road. Plus if you don't like much of the games for it you could always check out the Nintendo eShop and get really good downloadable games for cheap, and since the eShop carried over all the games from the DSi, the library is quite expansive and the quality is good as well.

With the price drop, I feel that the 3DS is worth buying now more than ever. And considering that the DSi XL was once more costly than the 3DS is I don't see why families that could afford one of the DS models when it was new can't afford this with a trade-in or from just buying one used. Pokemon is far from dying, and X and Y can only serve to further boost the sales of the 3DS.

P.S. can't wait for the inevitable "Pokemon Z" announcement. XD

Ah, well, my main reason why I bought 3DS in the first place is because of Pokemon as well. I thought many people should prepare for this when 3DS released. With many prices cut it receive till now, I guess 3DS shouldn't be the main reason why the audience got limited.

Wait, shouldn't it be XY2? Or maybe We got Z then XYZ2?
Forget what I said

Goblinaro January 8th, 2013 4:45 AM

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Originally Posted by shengar (Post 7477702)
Wait, shouldn't it be XY2? Or maybe We got Z then XYZ2?
Forget what I said

Erk, you may be right. Everyone was expecting a Pokemon Gray announcement but Nintendo totally pulled a curveball on that one.

hinkage January 8th, 2013 4:47 AM

The Fire and Water starters look like ****. Mostly the Water one. The male character looks a lot like Black.

And the screenshots of the overworld... I dunno what to think. TOO MANY CONFLICTING FEELINGS! AND WHERE'S RUBY/SAPPHIRE REMAKES?

shengar January 8th, 2013 4:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Goblinaro (Post 7477713)
Erk, you may be right. Everyone was expecting a Pokemon Gray announcement but Nintendo totally pulled a curveball on that one.

A damned curveball that is. Not a bad detraction from the old formula but not really good one considering the storyline are worse from BW.
Whether or not they take the old route and or continue BW2 likes, I'll hope they really their best with the game without taking much past feature only to add it into later version. That's disgusting.

Er....I guess we will have our Gen 3 remake this time right? RIGHT?

Treecko January 8th, 2013 5:08 AM

No I wouldn't say so. I don't have a 3DS at the moment but that's not stopping me. I'll be doing everything I can to get enough money to buy a 3DS. Looking for a job immediately when I get on tomorrow and I'm even willing to sell a few things (maybe even my old DS). The DS is a dying system and it needs to go now as sad as that seems. Pokemon are a very popular franchise, second most selling next to Super Mario Bros, and the fanbase is still large and growing. So I have no doubt that people will make the transition over to 3DS.

Yoshikko January 8th, 2013 5:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura (Post 7477712)
Can you come up with a really good reason as to why they would come out with another DSi title?

No, not really, making it for 3DS makes the most sense, but it still sucks for people who can't/don't want to afford it. I'll probably end up getting it in a year or so when it's cheaper.

RingoH January 8th, 2013 5:33 AM

I find this disappointing. The 3DS has been a major turn off. I have tried the 3DS and do not like playing with the 3D turned on as after a very short time it causes me to have a headache. I have been avoiding the 3DS, and the only reason I will likely buy it will be because I want to continue playing my favorite franchise.

I also think that many parents of younger kids that play Pokemon games likely have not bought their children 3DS's because of the safety warnings about the 3D being bad for the eyesight of anyone under 7... As a parent myself I wouldn't buy the system for ANY child because of that (Yes I know there is parental controls for that, but every kid finds a way to work around parental controls eventually).

I have felt all along that the 3D effect in a handheld is more of a novelty than anything that adds any actual game play functionality. If a game publishers wants to impress me, I want good solid game play, a good solid story, fun challenges to overcome. The Pokemon franchise has continued to keep me interested in gaming since Red/Blue, and keeps getting better with time. There is only one 3DS title I have seen that I had any interest in prior to this announcement, so in the long run I'll be purchasing the system just for a very few games (The other game is in the Proffessor Layton series, which I don't see justification for making that a 3DS title... and it was a launch title in Japan).

Captain Fabio January 8th, 2013 5:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Yoshikkko (Post 7477838)
No, not really, making it for 3DS makes the most sense, but it still sucks for people who can't/don't want to afford it. I'll probably end up getting it in a year or so when it's cheaper.

This was what I was getting at. I know it has been out for a while, but people who, like Yoshikkko said, people who actually can't afford it or don't want to buy it, then it is difficult on them.


marcc5m January 8th, 2013 5:40 AM

Well since I personally don't have a 3DS or any money, I won't be getting it.

Seth Rollins January 8th, 2013 5:47 AM

I think they will still release games to the DS lite,DSI and DS XL. Nintendo only wanted the game to be CLEARLY 3D because they want to make it cooler. CAN't WAIT FOR THE GAME! That 3D world looks amazing!

Captain Fabio January 8th, 2013 5:59 AM

Well, this game is just for the 3DS, so I can't see them going backwards and start releasing games for the previous versions, when they completely ignore them for this game! :O


Overlord Drakow January 8th, 2013 6:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Fabio (Post 7477872)

This was what I was getting at. I know it has been out for a while, but people who, like Yoshikkko said, people who actually can't afford it or don't want to buy it, then it is difficult on them.


Yes but October is almost a year away and like I mentioned earlier, they are likely to reduce the price of a 3DS console by that time, which I think will make it affordable to most people. As for people who do not want to buy a 3DS console, well then fair enough but things are moving forward and Pokemon -like all other Nintendo games will eventually be made exclusively for the 3DS and there's really no stopping that. Besides if you look back, it used to be that each Pokemon game released would be for a new hand held console and that didn't stop people from playing them. The DS has had three different sets of Pokemon games for it, which has given people even more time to acquire a 3DS in preparation for X and Y.

shengar January 8th, 2013 6:07 AM

Well, counting with inflation and other economics factor, by October, aren't 3DS price would be at the same range as DS when Gen IV first released?
I thought wouldn't be much of the problem actually. Its just people hesitation to buy new handheld that matter the most.

Captain Fabio January 8th, 2013 6:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Drakow (Post 7477946)
Yes but October is almost a year away and like I mentioned earlier, they are likely to reduce the price of a 3DS console by that time, which I think will make it affordable to most people. As for people who do not want to buy a 3DS console, well then fair enough but things are moving forward and Pokemon -like all other Nintendo games will eventually be made exclusively for the 3DS and there's really no stopping that. Besides if you look back, it used to be that each Pokemon game released would be for a new hand held console and that didn't stop people from playing them. The DS has had three different sets of Pokemon games for it, which has given people even more time to acquire a 3DS in preparation for X and Y.

Yeh, that is certainly true.
I think they will do just fine and there are over 10 months till the release date, so anything could happen then; a Pokemon X and Y 3DS to celebrate the release even.

I think Pokemon isn't going to die at all, but some people will be reluctant, of course.

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Originally Posted by shengar (Post 7477965)
Well, counting with inflation and other economics factor, by October, aren't 3DS price would be at the same range as DS when Gen IV first released?
I thought wouldn't be much of the problem actually. Its just people hesitation to buy new handheld that matter the most.

I think the price will have dropped a bit by then, anyway. So maybe it just seems like a lot now, to people who are only interested in the Pokemon game. There are still 10 months for exciting games to be released.


Bluerang1 January 8th, 2013 6:13 AM

it was inevitable, I'm glad I got a 3DS XL. Got a job partially for that reason haha. And to all those who said they'd nevedr have 3D sprites, ha.

Captain Fabio January 8th, 2013 6:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7477986)
Agreeing so much with Drakow, as well as others who firmly believe that people have been kind of given more than enough time to purchase a 3DS.

And honestly, in my opinion? Most people should've saw this coming! Pokemon games aren't going to be released on the DS system forever, and even I was skeptical about getting a 3DS myself, when instead I just got it and figured that a Pokemon game was going to be released for it eventually, and look what we have here!

Just saying that no one should really be surprised here. You still have a good 8 or 9 months to save up if you want to get it at launch, so that's even more additional time to get a new system.

I apologize if this post might seem a bit blunt, but I just heavily dislike wasted opportunities, as I just believe that's something no one should really go through. Sure, there might be a few people here and there that can't really spare $150, but even then, there are some used ones(and even this one I found right here on Amazon. There's also one here on ebay for cheap, also) that sell for significantly lower than that.

It's a fair shame that it might catch some people off guard, and thus they might have the purchase the 3DS console(and let's be fair, it's not that bad of a system from my experience), but I feel that it'll be worth it in the long run.

Yeah, it is a fair enough post. If someone really wanted the game, but couldn't afford a new 3DS, you could get a second hand one. Granted, some people don't like doing that, but there are ways to get your hands on one. Just one more valid argument for one side.


Overlord Drakow January 8th, 2013 6:38 AM

Admit it, my post sealed the deal on this debate and Twilight Sky just added the icing to my cake.

Bounsweet January 8th, 2013 6:47 AM

I'm glad it's coming out for the 3DS, it's about time. I don't think it'll be the end of Pokemon - people will just upgrade to the 3DS, like they did with the NDS when Diamond and Pearl came out.

As they should too, it's an amazing system and so many people bash it unnecessarily :\

It can play original NDS games as well as the 3DS games [obv] and has a great eShop selection, fun apps, and quirks like StreetPass. It really is a huge step up from the NDS.


Nakuzami January 8th, 2013 6:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Fabio (Post 7477417)
Now we know the game is for the 3DS only, do you think this will cut down on the audience that can be targeted? The Pokemon games have always followed the trend of going onto a new handheld, but with the 3DS being the 'newest' console and some people not being able to afford it, do you think it will hurt the amount of people who can actually play the game?

Do you think that enough people have the 3DS? Do you think it is just how the games industry flows, going onto a new console? Do you think it is fair? What do you think of the lack of DS editions?

Come on: it's pokemon. The fact that it's heading to the 3DS will probably make a million and one people buy the 3DS, rather than cause fans to drop out. I know I'm going to. I've wanted a 3DS for a little while now, but the only game I seriously wanted was Kingdom Hearts 3D. Now that we have a sixth gen. of pokemon, I have an excuse to get one.

And, technically speaking, I think the Vita and Wii U are newer than the 3DS? ;3

Sadly, since I'm at school, I'm unable to view most of the videos and pictures relating to X and Y, so I really only see the starters and some overworld shots. (But, my God, these were announced hours ago and we already have an entire forum section for them? @[email protected])

The fact that this game already seems . . . so extremely different almost justifies it moving to the 3DS. In fact, I think it kind of does. Although, I'm not yet sure if that's necessarily a good thing. X.x

Captain Fabio January 8th, 2013 6:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura (Post 7478120)
Worth saying, but I really wanted Pokémon to be on the 3DS. Why?

Because it's coming in a download edition on the eShop, that's why.
And that's why being a 3DS title is so damn awesome.

That having been said, I guess I'll get a boxed copy anyway.

Ahhh, the great debate between physical vs digital. I would take the physical copy any day! But that aspect might help some people who are unsure abotu the 3DS.

It is a better console, some would argue, than the DS/i, so maybe it is just time for people to accept?


bobandbill January 8th, 2013 6:49 AM

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The games industry has to move forward and the gamers have to follow, so some people could just see this as a 'normal' thing to happen. But with the lack of DS games, is it fair?
It's never been 'fair', arguably. Video games is a business after all, so Nintendo (and other companies) want to keep pushing the newer product sooner or later, and now is the time. 2 years after the 3DS went live is not too bad a wait, and this game isn't out for another 10 months either. Plenty of time to save up for a used console for example if you really only want to play Pokemon (and this is assuming no other Pokemon 3DS titles over the next few years, which isn't a sound asusmption). Plus you're going to get more titles that may interest you too down the track. On top of OoT, Kid Icarus, Mario Kart, Paper Mario, etc, you've got Luigi's Mansion 2, Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing, Super Smash Brothers, etc to expect sooner or later. If not one of those gets you at least mildly interested then you're likely part of the minority, and this is all about appealing to as many people as possible. (After all, if one game doesn't appeal to someone another may. Now it's just Pokemon's turn to jump the gap, so to speak).



At any rate, this won't kill the franchise whatsoever. 3DS sales are already quite fine now (see Went's post), and just look at how the internet responded to the livestream to see the current interest in Pokemon (on top of sale figures for 5th gen, etc). Pokemon isn't going anywhere due to this besides forward. (DS' will stop being manufactured sooner or later too, anyways).

NatureKeeper January 8th, 2013 6:51 AM

No way. It's the other way around. Nintendo just sold the 3DS.

And no to the whole one game only thing, some people buy their systems for one game. In any case the Nintendo 3DS isn't that expensive for people to need a whole library for it. I bought my DS for only Pokemon games, and ditto for my GBA. My 3DS was bought in anticipation, and boy was I redeemed. 2 years late.

Correspondence January 8th, 2013 6:53 AM

I think it was definitely the right step to take.Pokemon was been the DS for way too long and the new 3D graphics will probably reel in more fans.

Ho-Oh January 8th, 2013 7:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Fabio (Post 7478145)

Ahhh, the great debate between physical vs digital. I would take the physical copy any day! But that aspect might help some people who are unsure abotu the 3DS.

It is a better console, some would argue, than the DS/i, so maybe it is just time for people to accept?


Yeahh I'd go for physical but still I'd say the majority will go for physical anyway given that many won't trust the downloads I assume (or at least the parents might not). Not that it's a negative of it being on the 3DS though.

Ivysaur January 8th, 2013 7:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Ultimate PKMN Trainer Red (Post 7477897)
I think they will still release games to the DS lite,DSI and DS XL. Nintendo only wanted the game to be CLEARLY 3D because they want to make it cooler. CAN't WAIT FOR THE GAME! That 3D world looks amazing!

The DS/i/XL are dead. Done for. Discontinued. No major game (and barely any new games at all) will ever be released for the DS anymore. It's like making games for the GBA or the Gamecube, or building IE-6 compatible websites: a waste of time when you could be doing bigger and better things.

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Originally Posted by RingoH
I find this disappointing. The 3DS has been a major turn off. I have tried the 3DS and do not like playing with the 3D turned on as after a very short time it causes me to have a headache. I have been avoiding the 3DS, and the only reason I will likely buy it will be because I want to continue playing my favorite franchise.

I also think that many parents of younger kids that play Pokemon games likely have not bought their children 3DS's because of the safety warnings about the 3D being bad for the eyesight of anyone under 7... As a parent myself I wouldn't buy the system for ANY child because of that (Yes I know there is parental controls for that, but every kid finds a way to work around parental controls eventually).

I have felt all along that the 3D effect in a handheld is more of a novelty than anything that adds any actual game play functionality. If a game publishers wants to impress me, I want good solid game play, a good solid story, fun challenges to overcome. The Pokemon franchise has continued to keep me interested in gaming since Red/Blue, and keeps getting better with time. There is only one 3DS title I have seen that I had any interest in prior to this announcement, so in the long run I'll be purchasing the system just for a very few games (The other game is in the Proffessor Layton series, which I don't see justification for making that a 3DS title... and it was a launch title in Japan).

Turn the 3D effect off and your first two paragraphs are solved- and control your kid better if you need to, after all, the same booklet warning about possible issues also tells you to check on your child while they play games. Otherwise, the 3DS is just a DS-2: the same thing, but with better graphics, better music, better capabilities, more controls... Like the GBA to GB; the PS3 to PS2 to PS1; the SNES to NES. Nothing less, nothing more, nothing that hasn't happened a million times already.

Yuoaman January 8th, 2013 7:33 AM

And the vision warnings for children are there to cover Nintendo's ass if something happens, not when it happens. Some people experience no problems ever with the 3D, even children - it's one of those things that varies.

Pinkie-Dawn January 8th, 2013 7:35 AM

Not really, because if anything, a main Pokemon game will only increase the 3DS's sales. The only question is, will Pokemon X and Y surpass the sales of Red/Blue/Green/Yellow and Gold/Silver/Crystal?

Blade_of_darkness January 8th, 2013 7:35 AM

I don't know about you, Fabio, but the 3DS wasn't that expensive once I got it in Gamestop. The normal ones are going for roughly 150$ a pop, so I can't see why that's not affordable unless they're really poor to begin with.

& even so, it's likely that it'll be brought down further the more time goes by, so we'll never know...

Iceshadow3317 January 8th, 2013 7:43 AM

Doubt it. Probably make more money. I wictually be buying a 3DS now just so I can play the games when they come out.

Paradise3 January 8th, 2013 7:43 AM

I think Pokemon is a popular enough franchise to attract people to buy the 3DS. I have a friend who says she wants to buy one now, just because these games are coming out. But she also asked for suggestions for other games to get too. I think maybe some people haven't gotten around to buying the system but especially with more than half a year to save up, they are certainly willing to. And of course there are definitely other popular titles that have already gotten people to pick up the system. I think it will do fine. Maybe it won't sell quite as much right off the bat but I think people will still try to get it. It's in freaking 3D after all. lol And besides, if you love Nintendo handheld games (which I assume any player of Pokemon and owner of a DSi or DS or GBA or GBC or whatever actually does) then I would think you wouldn't want to miss out on other great titles as well... There are sequels to many other franchises too, which used to be on the GBA and then the DS and now the 3DS... It just keeps moving forward... I remember when the GBA was brand new... Then the SP came out and I was like, yay no more shoddy worm light that keeps breaking, I can play in the dark all I want!! XD Anyway I think any new system has things that WILL attract people to it. (GBC had COLOR, GBA had a bigger screen, the SP had the backlight, and then the DS had the touch screen, DSi had a better menu and more functions and downloads, and the 3DS has freaking 3D.) It's like... Everything will move forward. It's not the first time Pokemon moved on to another platform. It has multiple times. Since the black and white Gameboy. And I think games like Pokemon can only help the sales of this system. Sure it's expensive but I feel like videogame fans already kinda expect that they have to upgrade their systems every few years... And they know it costs money. I think everything will be fine.

Sydian January 8th, 2013 7:45 AM

I've had my 3DS for a while, so I'm not worried. XD Though it'll suck that I can't import this time, since the 3DS is region locked. Boo! First time since HGSS that I won't be able to. :( That's okay though, it does get a bit annoying playing in a language you can't read.

About the 3D stuff, I never turn on the 3D anyway except for cutscenes, and if this game is anything like gen V games, then...well, I guess that'll be a good bit that I'm using it. lol

Edit: I just watched the trailers and TBQH MY BODY ISN'T READY FOR CHANGE :(

Perico January 8th, 2013 7:50 AM

I'm sure that MANY people will buy a Nintendo 3DS only because of Pokemon X and Y. I know people who bought a console only because of one game and then they ended up discovering new games which they would have never imagined they would have liked.

And I still don't understand why people will not be able to afford a 3DS. It costs (more or less) the same than a Nintendo DS Lite or a DSi when they came out -.-

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Originally Posted by Sydian (Post 7478334)
I've had my 3DS for a while, so I'm not worried. XD Though it'll suck that I can't import this time, since the 3DS is region locked. Boo! First time since HGSS that I won't be able to. :( That's okay though, it does get a bit annoying playing in a language you can't read.

Why? I mean they're coming worldwide.

Paradise3 January 8th, 2013 7:54 AM

I think region lock isn't a big concern this time though... I mean, don't people usually import games for the purpose of playing sooner? You don't even have to do that this time since everyone gets it the same day. (Well, okay, people in earlier timezones probably get it a couple hours earlier, big whoop. Importing a game takes time to ship anyway. XD) Also, imported games, from my experience, are a LOT more expensive than buying your own region's game. I mean I guess if you want the Japanese (or whatever language) game for other reasons... But I think it's not that big of a concern, specifically because of the simultaneous release worldwide.

Palkia January 8th, 2013 8:00 AM

When X & Y release in October, the 3DS will have been on market for roughly 2 and a half years. I think that the 3DS has sold much more than enough to warrant a main series release on the console.

Infact, personally I think that Black/White should have been released on the 3DS in the first place as a launch window, seeing as X & Y will make Gen V the shortest generation.

Captain Fabio January 8th, 2013 8:23 AM

I don't think B2/W2 should have been on the 3DS, but it was only a matter of time before it came to the 3DS. A new generation is the right way to go, we shall just have to see how well it is received over the coming months and release.


Princess Diana January 8th, 2013 8:39 AM

It had to come at some point.

Livewire January 8th, 2013 8:52 AM

Ehh, I think Nintendo's banking on all the hype from X&Y to sell some more 3DS's. Personally I'm glad the game is made for the most current tech available. I think sales will be fine.

Nick January 8th, 2013 8:58 AM

It was bound to happen eventually. 3DS is the current generation handheld system. I'm pretty sure some of the people arguing that buying a 3DS just to play these games haven't considered, maybe, that was the reason people bought a DS as well? That's certainly why I got a DS when Diamond and Pearl came out. Though, the 3DS is significantly more expensive.

But it just seems to me like common sense that Gen VI would be on 3DS.

Rou.Tsuki January 8th, 2013 9:00 AM

I have to say, I'm glad that they are releasing Pokemon for 3DS. It will push the system sales up by getting people to buy either the original (more color options) or the bigger XL version (red and blue, really?) to play the popular series. It makes sense, profit-wise because they are selling the system for lower than production cost.
When I bought my 3DS over the summer (b-day present to self in Midnight Purple), I was disappointed in how... pixelated B/W was on the system. Don't get me wrong, it looked great on the DSlite and still better than previous incarnations. But since this announcement though, I'm going to bypass the B2/W2 for the October release of the new game.

MudkipBoy January 8th, 2013 9:01 AM

put it this way.... if you really love pokemon, YOU WILL buy a 3ds if you don't already own one, the whole reason I got a GBA was for Pokemon Sapphire, and the 3DS has almost outsold the Gamecube already so they have a potential audience of 20 million even if no one else ever buys a 3DS, and pokemon games are usually the highest selling games on any Nintendo handheld

Panfisha January 8th, 2013 9:04 AM

Well, no.
With Starfox 64 3D, Mario Kart 7, Ocarina of time, and coming out soon, Fire Emblem and Luigi's Mansion 2, there is more incentive to get a 3DS. But Pokemon will definitely be a deciding factor for many people.

droomph January 8th, 2013 9:04 AM

I got the DS for Pokémon Diamond, wtf wouldn't I do the same for Gen 6?

I say, $170/$200 was what I shelled out for a DS, so I'm not too bummed out to do that again.

Squirrel January 8th, 2013 9:07 AM

Personally I'm delighted that the new games are for the 3DS. From the trailer that was shown the 3D element of the games looks absolutely amazing and I think it'll completely revolutionise Pokémon, so I can't wait to find out just how good it is in person! It's a shame that not everyone has a 3DS yet and that people could miss out as a result, but I think producing the best quality of game possible is far more important to worry about.

Sheep January 8th, 2013 9:07 AM

It's about time they made the switch for the 3DS given how long it's been out. The regular 'ol DS has been out for six years now, if I remember right, so it was time to move on and utilize what the 3DS had to offer. I got mine for Christmas and am now very glad I did so~ doubt it'd hurt sales as there are a lot of other great titles for the 3DS that make it worth getting.

TrainerTori January 8th, 2013 9:12 AM

Wow. I'd say it's a ridiculous claim to think that going exclusive for 3DS is going to kill the pokemon line.

as others have said, we bought DS's for pokemon pearl and such, eventually we'll suck it up and get 3Ds

It's progression, pokemon had to jump on the bandwagon eventually.

They're honestly not /that/ expensive used anymore.
I traded in my old beat up 16gig ipod G3 (for ~70$)I dragged out of a drawer and got my 3DS from gamestop for 50$ back in june.
(Actually, I first traded it in for a DS Lite, had issues with it so I took it back and all they had were DSi's and I had that and the wifi on it sucked so then I took THAT back on got a 3DS - yay gamestop 7 day no question return policy 8D)

HaloSonic January 8th, 2013 9:14 AM

that's like saying the release of Ruby and Sapphire on the GBA was the end of pokemon bacause there was no backwards compatability. no such thing. its just moving with the times. the DS should feel priveliged to get 2 generations on it. plus, it can trade with X and Y, so it is still useful.

Lateon January 8th, 2013 9:49 AM

I'm actually starting to budget in a 3DS already. I wanted one for Kingdom Hearts DDD but I haven't found a good enough reason to buy it yet. I've been wanting to get one, anyway, so it works out nice that there's a new pokemon game.

Nick January 8th, 2013 9:53 AM

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Originally Posted by HaloSonic (Post 7478614)
that's like saying the release of Ruby and Sapphire on the GBA was the end of pokemon bacause there was no backwards compatability. no such thing. its just moving with the times. the DS should feel priveliged to get 2 generations on it. plus, it can trade with X and Y, so it is still useful.

That's eggggactly what I was thinking. The DS is the only game system that had two generations of Pokémon games on it, and yet, lord have mercy some of the reactions to moving to the most up-to-date system really make me scratch my head.

blue January 8th, 2013 9:54 AM

Surely we all expected the main series to move onto the 3DS sooner or later?

TaichiWind January 8th, 2013 10:02 AM

Just checked my country's Gamestop ripoff (Brloh) to see how much would a 3DS cost. Big derp. It's about 180€, hardly affordable for me at the time. I don't even have BW2 yet, I think I'll just have to buy Z version when it comes out. Come to think of it, I bought the DS WITH my White version. I don't really think I won't buy a 3DS without Z (once again I have no idea if there will be a Z version). Maybe for the OOT. MAAAAYBE.

Oryx January 8th, 2013 10:21 AM

It's more like a rebirth of Pokemon to me. :)

GFA January 8th, 2013 10:26 AM

While I'm sure that the answer is no, my answer is yes. I have almost no disposable income, and I barely break out my DS to play White anymore. Heck, I still haven't gotten my hands on White 2 because I don't want to spend $30 on a game. Were I still at the age I could get my parents to buy me the 3DS for my birthday or something, then I'd do it but I'm not, so. *shrug* Plus, the main reason I'm personally interested in Pokemon these days is spriting and I'm not sure how MS Paint compatible X & Y are going to be. Not looking too good at this point. But damn if those graphics don't look lovely.

Maybe, maybe if I can get a decent trade in price for my DS and the games I never intend on picking up again.

Ben. January 8th, 2013 10:26 AM

Nope, every pokemon game gen I-IV we've had a new console. Just following on from the original series and not making the mistakes of BL/Bl2

GFA January 8th, 2013 10:31 AM

3DS doesn't have the backwards compatibility of the DS though.

Silferath January 8th, 2013 10:34 AM

Pokemon will make the 3DS sail into glory!

Oryx January 8th, 2013 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by GFA (Post 7478831)
3DS doesn't have the backwards compatibility of the DS though.

What do you mean? You can play DS games on the 3DS.

Captain Fabio January 8th, 2013 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by GFA (Post 7478831)
3DS doesn't have the backwards compatibility of the DS though.

You can play DS games on the 3DS, you can't play GBA, GBC and GB games on there.



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