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Ho-Oh January 8th, 2013 3:39 AM

An introduction of new types...?
 
This was bound to come up ofc (given that there's already type combinations!) So given that gen 2 introduced new types, and BW represented gen 1... and this would technically be "gen 2" according to that (although patterns are nothing), do you think now is the right time to introduce new typings? Do you think there will be new types? What kind of types would you like to see?

Aryan143 January 8th, 2013 3:45 AM

As many people have debated before on this,there may be a chance of getting the Light type.

Xander Olivieri January 8th, 2013 3:48 AM

I don't see any new types being added in again. Neither of the big legends look like they have a new type, so really I don't see the point in adding more now. Could easily be wrong because...well Pokemon X and Pokemon Y.

blue January 8th, 2013 3:53 AM

I just can't see it happening, it would make things very messy and I think if they were going to they would have already.

dieter57 January 8th, 2013 3:56 AM

Some speculation on other sites think there is a possible new digital type. I wouldn't like that idea. If any new types are introduced, I hope it is the sound type. We already have a bunch of past gen Pokemon that are related to sound. Exploud family, chatot, kricketune, jiggilypuff family. And we have a bunch of moves that would fit nicely into the sound category.

Kanto_Johto January 8th, 2013 4:34 AM

It could happen, but I hope for the sake of the type balance that it doesn't. I think the addition of new types has been a redundant idea since Gen II.

Ω Ruby and α Sapphire January 8th, 2013 4:36 AM

^^ I agree. Although a problem would be there would only be like 10 sound types from gens 1-5, so there would have to be quite a few in the new gen to balance it out. But I personally think that types won't be changed, there is enough change already.

shengar January 8th, 2013 4:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Kanto_Johto (Post 7477686)
It could happen, but I hope for the sake of the type balance that it doesn't. I think the addition of new types has been a redundant idea since Gen II.

Seconded. They better balance the current one before even more break it with the introduction of new types.

Ho-Oh January 8th, 2013 4:48 AM

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Originally Posted by dieter57 (Post 7477520)
Some speculation on other sites think there is a possible new digital type. I wouldn't like that idea. If any new types are introduced, I hope it is the sound type. We already have a bunch of past gen Pokemon that are related to sound. Exploud family, chatot, kricketune, jiggilypuff family. And we have a bunch of moves that would fit nicely into the sound category.

ooo I like the idea of digital type! I wonder what'd fit into that though, it'd probably be weak to psychic... maybe? I think it could be likely given the whole X/Y thing and DNA is... seen digitally. In... places.

BLOOOD-La-ti- January 8th, 2013 4:57 AM

It's very possible that new types will be introduced,
I have no idea what types does two legends have.
Well they should make new types,
and add more interesting features,the population might increase.

Captain Gizmo January 8th, 2013 5:44 AM

If they base this generation on DNA, I think they might bring a new typing into the game, with all the scientist playing around with DNA and all, they might bring a new.

giradialkia January 8th, 2013 5:44 AM

I doubt it. They brought in Steel and Dark purely to even things out, Psychic was overpowered and... I don't know. I read a decent explanation somewhere once, and while I can't remember it word for word, I know that it's unlikely and unnecessary for more new types to be introduced. :)

Correspondence January 8th, 2013 6:34 AM

I think its way too far off into the franchise to introduce a new type.Its highly unlikely that there will be a new type and it would be awkward if there was.

curiousnathan January 8th, 2013 6:36 AM

A slither of a chance of such a thing happening, but if it did, I really do hope they introduce a Light Type to counter Dark Types. (And yes, people can say Fire and Psychic together would suffice as a Light Type, but why then do Ice types exist if they're really just water in a solid state? Why doesn't that apply in this instance?)

I've been contemplating the idea of a Digital Type...and eh...I'm a bit wishy-washy on it. Perhaps a Cosmic/Space Type? It'd definitely cater for Pokemon like Solrock, Lunatone, Deoxys, the Cleffa line, Starmie, Jirachi etc.

Bounsweet January 8th, 2013 6:42 AM

No new types please ;~;

I'd be perfectly fine and pretty excited for new type combos but not new types...

The current typing is fine as it is, there isn't much necessity to add more.


WinterKirby January 8th, 2013 6:45 AM

There was a post about there being the Digital type. However that was quickly proven false.

Yuoaman January 8th, 2013 6:47 AM

Doubtful, since the balance between types is very precarious as things are.

funguy10 January 8th, 2013 6:51 AM

I would like to see a light type introduced to counteract the dark type. There is also room for other types like a star/space/cosmic type (the Cleffa line, Lunatone, Solrock, Deoxys), a sound type (Jigglypuff line, Whismur line, Chatot), and virtual/digital type (the Porygon line) I have ideas for other types but they may be redundant, like a magic type(already have psychic), a gas type(already have poison), and a wind/air type(already have flying).

Miss Doronjo January 8th, 2013 6:54 AM

I'm not sure how a digital type would differ from an electric / steel type though; otherwise the Magnemite family would have some major reconsideration of re-typing. o3o I think the types will remain as is; it was quite the hassle of keeping up with all the other types as it is... xD

Ben. January 8th, 2013 7:01 AM

It's been bought up time and time again, the only reason new types were added in G/S/C was to balance the whole type system. As much as it'd freshen up everything it'd cause a whole lot of trouble, with people thinking that previous pokemon should be re-typed and what have you. It'd cause more trouble than it's worth, everything's already balanced as it is. Regarding the Gen 5 being a New gen 1, that holds no merit, it's a very odd and strange theory.

Yuoaman January 8th, 2013 7:05 AM

It isn't that Gen 5 is a new Gen 1, it's that it was purposefully disconnected both geographically and with the lack of familiar Pokemon and characters from the previous generations to recreate the feelings that people who started with Gen 1 got when they first played it. Though this does not include B2/W2 for obvious reasons.

lineofdeath January 8th, 2013 10:02 AM

Ooh maybye an acid type!

Super effective on most things.

Livewire January 8th, 2013 10:05 AM

I'm pretty confident there won't be any new types - we don't need them, they typing is fairly balanced as is, and all it would do is make the battle system even more complex than it already is.

Nick January 8th, 2013 10:05 AM

I read the OP and my first thought was "If someone mentions a light type I swear to god..." and sure enough, it's in the first post.

I don't think it's going to happen.

Arlo January 8th, 2013 10:09 AM

I think it's exceedingly unlikely. They've spent far too long balancing things within the current types, and I just don't think it would be possible to add a new type without undermining all that past effort.

If they could pull it off, I don't have a problem with it, but I don't think, at this point, that there's any way they could pull it off.

Pinkie-Dawn January 8th, 2013 10:12 AM

The only possibilities for a new type are the aforementioned Digital type, Sound type, and Space type. A few selection of older gen Pokemon could easily fit these categories, but what would be their weaknesses? According to one of the false rumors, the Digital type will have no weakness nor advantage, but when paired with another type, it'll double its weakness (ex: Normal now has a 4x Fighting weakness).

Haza January 8th, 2013 10:13 AM

I'd still like to see a Light type, but it's gone too long without it's introduction. Many Pokémon that get stuffed into the Normal and Psychic typing really don't belong that way. Light would be perfect for that.

Lilizuki January 8th, 2013 10:15 AM

Since all the other points against it have been brought up...

In almost 15 years, none of the fans have been able to come up with a new type that isn't dividing up the existing ones further or misunderstands the concept of a certain existing type.

I know there are talented people at Gamefreak, but fans can be pretty creative when they want to be, and none of 'em have come up with anything solid.

Jellicent♀ January 8th, 2013 10:17 AM

Oh gosh, no. I don't want a new type at all. :c
Especially not a "ight" type. wtf was the point of Dark type in the first place? We already have electric and fire, can't they be "light" enough? A Light type would just be ridiculous, imo.

Radiantsunset January 8th, 2013 10:24 AM

Because x and y are chromosomes and that has to do with genetics, it might be a really vague hint at it? That's just my opinion..

Esper January 8th, 2013 10:26 AM

If they give us a new type I'd hope they'd have the decency or completely redoing the type system: all or mostly new types with new interactions among them to match. The type system we have is good. If you're going to fiddle with it, go all out.

Pave Low January 8th, 2013 10:30 AM

I've heard rumors about a Light type being released. If this is true, I think it's a bad idea to have any new types being released this late on, even though it would be quite exciting. I mean, surely this would have to mean that a bunch of new moves and Pokemon will be created, so we wouldn't be seeing as much of the current types being added to. The only type I would want them to majorly add to is Ghost since it is my favorite type and it contains the minority of Pokemon.

GFA January 8th, 2013 10:30 AM

I find it highly unlikely there will ever be a new type. Ever. They did a way with the ??? Type for goodness sake! It'd be interesting were the two legendaries to have an exclusive DNA Type, but I don't see that happening.

☆aqua☆ January 8th, 2013 10:58 AM

(OOC): I don't think so. The only type that would really make sense is the Light type. Other than that, I can't really see any other types :/

Ben. January 8th, 2013 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Jellicent♀ (Post 7478776)
Oh gosh, no. I don't want a new type at all. :c
Especially not a "ight" type. wtf was the point of Dark type in the first place? We already have electric and fire, can't they be "light" enough? A Light type would just be ridiculous, imo.

...Dark was bought in to balance to the system. It was mainly because not every evil/bad based pokemon could be based on ghosts. Which was a very good decision, and one of my favourite types IMO.

Haza January 8th, 2013 11:29 AM

Well since this generation obviously has something to do with chromosomes and DNA (look at the logo for X & Y) I think this is the most likely era/generation to introduce new types.

Guy January 8th, 2013 11:40 AM

The possibility is always there, but like Scarf mentioned, if they're ever going to introduce a new type, they might as well go all out or just not bother at all.

In terms of the "Light" type, I thought that would have been a great new type somewhat years ago. The truth is, however, GameFreak has had more than enough opportunities ─ specifically, at the time they introduced the "Dark" type and again in Black and White with Zekrom and Reshirmam ─ but they've never bothered to do it.

Maybe X and Y is a hint to a new type like others have said, but I doubt it.

Kura January 8th, 2013 1:12 PM

I think the idea is interesting, but because of balancing, I don't see any new types being introduced~

funguy10 January 8th, 2013 2:45 PM

Just to clarify, the light type would be the polar opposite of the dark type. Dark type Pokemon are associated with darkness and evil so light type Pokemon would be associated with purity and holiness.

bobandbill January 8th, 2013 2:52 PM

No.

If they wanted a Light type, the previopus gen was 'the time' to do it with the legendarys of Reshiram and Zekrom possibly fitting it. But we didn't due to a number of things (a need to change game mechanics (e.g. Hidden Power which is based on the IV system)), and the bigger fact of the type system as is is already pretty balanced which is unlike the case in RBY. This is not a game that is going to parallel GSC in any way (if that was the case, then why did B2W2 exist when there was no such sequels in gen 1? Answer: they are separate games!). The only reason they made new types was to nerf Psychic types which were way unbalanced in 1st gen. Now there's no such need.

Then consider how they'd handle previous Pokemon that could qualify as a new type. Change the types and contradict canon set up for over a decade? It was okay with GSC as hardly anything got changed, but now with 649 Pokemon in five gens? That's too much, especially with the type system established for over a decade now as-is.

As such I really don't see this happening, but I did see this sort of discussion happening as it does every gen at least. =p Oh well.
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Just to clarify, the light type would be the polar opposite of the dark type. Dark type Pokemon are associated with darkness and evil so light type Pokemon would be associated with purity and holiness.
Arguably the counterparts are Psychic and Fighting! Dark is more to do with underhand/dirty tactics in Pokemon (see moves like Faint Attack, Bite, Foul Play, etc) which can overcome Psychic types. Fighting can be thought of as 'pure' clean fighting, which can overcome said tactics. Or so that's one way to view it. Thing is there is no need for a 'counterpart' to the Dark type, as it already exists in a way.

And again, what happens with Pokemon like the Togepi line? You could call them Light type based on Pokedex entries, etc, but then what happens to Togekiss, the Normal/Flying type? Something's got to change there. Then apply that to a good fraction of the existing 649 Pokemon. Yeah...

vaporeon7 January 8th, 2013 2:55 PM

I don't ever see any new types being released. If they did release another type, there would be barely any Pokémon of its type, as they would be only coming from one generation. They could do a Magneton on us, but there might be a Pokémon of two types that would deserve the type more and just cause confusion.

Sydian January 8th, 2013 2:58 PM

I think 17 types is quite enough, honestly.

curiousnathan January 8th, 2013 2:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jellicent♀ (Post 7478776)
Oh gosh, no. I don't want a new type at all. :c
Especially not a "ight" type. wtf was the point of Dark type in the first place? We already have electric and fire, can't they be "light" enough? A Light type would just be ridiculous, imo.

Yet Dark can be catered for through Ghost and Psychic types, but was still introduced, so why not a Light type?

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Originally Posted by vaporeon7 (Post 7479634)
I don't ever see any new types being released. If they did release another type, there would be barely any Pokémon of its type, as they would be only coming from one generation. They could do a Magneton on us, but there might be a Pokémon of two types that would deserve the type more and just cause confusion.

Well, not necessarily. Pokemon of previous generations have had their typings adjusted in the past, so if a new type were to be introduced, who's saying Pokemon from Gen I - V, won't change?

bobandbill January 8th, 2013 3:27 PM

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Yet Dark can be catered for through Ghost and Psychic types, but was still introduced, so why not a Light type?
To nerf Psychics, and give something more to Bug types. That and it is set up as different to Ghost and Psychics (again, Psychics all about using mental prowess, while Dark has to do with 'dirty' or rough fighting...and ghosts are ghosts!). While Dark (and Steel) was to give more balance to the type system, a Light type would not do that as there is no major problem to fix in the first place, and it brings about problems that were not so major back in gen 2.

There's a heck of a lot more reasons for no type change in gen 6 than back in gen 2. But then I'd just be repeating myself. =p But at any rate, because they did it before doesn't make it likely they'd do it again. Otherwise B2W2 wouldn't have existed and we'd have our RSE remakes instead now going by patterns.

Cyanide January 8th, 2013 3:33 PM

i personally dont think we will see an introduction of new types, seeing as its pretty much covered, what i would REALLY enjoy seeing is some more fire types, seriously lacking in that department, and not as many water types.

and please introduce a really sick dual type STEEL-ICE.

Autaven January 8th, 2013 6:11 PM

I find it unlikely, I do think if they were going to add more they'd have done it already. However I'm not opposed to the idea - I'd be quite happy with new types.

Platinum Lucario January 8th, 2013 7:35 PM

I would love to see a Light type introduced, 'cause honestly... there's no weakness to Ghost/Dark type Pokémon like Spiritomb and Sableye. Unless a Pokémon uses Foresight, Lock-on or Odor Sleuth on those Pokémon... it's impossible to deal Super Effective damage to those Pokémon.

So I think it's about time Generation VI introduced a Light type. 'Cause you think about it... a light bulb lights up a room, which means light defeats Dark. And plus... Ghosts like to hang out in dark areas, so they hate light. Same would apply if there was a Light type, which would mean X4 the damage done if a Light type attack was used against Spiritomb or Sableye. Every Pokémon has to have weakness, but those are the only Pokémon that don't, so it would have to be fair if a Light type was introduced.

Mista T January 8th, 2013 7:48 PM

No way, no how, not never. There is absolutely no reason why a new type would be added. It would thoroughly wreck the metagame as well as pre-established typings. Dark and Steel were added to fix a problem with the Psychic-type, and that's arguably the only reason behind this addition. Adding more types at this point would be a case of trying to fix a non-existent problem.

Xander Olivieri January 8th, 2013 7:53 PM

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Originally Posted by PokémonShinySilver (Post 7480738)
I would love to see a Light type introduced, 'cause honestly... there's no weakness to Ghost/Dark type Pokémon like Spiritomb and Sableye. Unless a Pokémon uses Foresight, Lock-on or Odor Sleuth on those Pokémon... it's impossible to deal Super Effective damage to those Pokémon.

So I think it's about time Generation VI introduced a Light type. 'Cause you think about it... a light bulb lights up a room, which means light defeats Dark. And plus... Ghosts like to hang out in dark areas, so they hate light. Same would apply if there was a Light type, which would mean X4 the damage done if a Light type attack was used against Spiritomb or Sableye. Every Pokémon has to have weakness, but those are the only Pokémon that don't, so it would have to be fair if a Light type was introduced.

Sableye and Spiritomb's stats make them easy enough to contest with. And really if they wanted to remove the no weakness, all they have to do is remove Ghost's resistance to Bug. The Bug types would just be SE to Dark in the match up and they's have a weakness. But again, none of the Dark/Ghost have ever been game breaking enough to deserve a type chart reset.

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Originally Posted by Curious. (Post 7479653)
Well, not necessarily. Pokemon of previous generations have had their typings adjusted in the past, so if a new type were to be introduced, who's saying Pokemon from Gen I - V, won't change?

Only Pokemon that got a type change was Magnemite to add to the number of Steel types in Gen 2. Its the only Pokemon with a full type change other than Rotom getting a partial type change when it changes forms to limit its battle capabilities.

CourageHound January 8th, 2013 8:01 PM

I dont really see any new types being made. However maybe the super effectiveness of some types might be altered? Because in my opinion, poison should be supper effective against bug. Cuz pesticides > bugs.

Miss Anne Thrope January 12th, 2013 5:16 PM

A New Type
 
So, awhile ago me and my brother stumbled across some Pokemon news (which apparently happened to be fake.) It mentioned that Pokemon was going to introduce a new typing.
Now, while I discovered the news is fake, it got me thinking about what they could add as a new type.

The only types I could fathom in my mind were like.. Sun or Light type, or possibly something like a Cosmic/Star type.

Do you think they will add a new type to Pokemon.. To X/Y, or ever?
Do you want them to?

loucas January 13th, 2013 10:05 AM

17. that's it. rock, paper scissors. no sky, sun or sea. it's balanced you see.

maybe new type combo, but not new types.
maybe more fusion, as we started talking DNA. so yeah.

Turnip January 13th, 2013 10:26 AM

Turnip type. It's bound to happen.

Nah, anyway, I'm not sure about new types. It'd be cool, yes, but there'd be all of the complications with balancing and re-typing issues, probably adding quite a few attacks, too (they can hardly have an entire new type and only have it having one attack).

If they were to do it, it'd all depend on whether they did it well or not. I don't think many people would complain if they added in a few new types and balanced them really well.

Altairis January 13th, 2013 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by giradialkia (Post 7477888)
I doubt it. They brought in Steel and Dark purely to even things out, Psychic was overpowered and... I don't know. I read a decent explanation somewhere once, and while I can't remember it word for word, I know that it's unlikely and unnecessary for more new types to be introduced. :)

This is exactly what I'm thinking. Why do we need a Light type to oppose Dark? There are already things that Dark is weak to.. it's not like it's overpowered or anything.

They didn't bring in new types "just because" they did it because Psychic was way overpowered and they wanted to balance everything out. I don't think that adding a new type would help balance anything, it would probably actually ruin a lot of things because a lot of past Pokemon would need re-typing, and it just seems like a lot of unnecessary effort, I don't think there's going to be a new typing =/

fffire24 January 13th, 2013 11:15 AM

I'm going to bring a different point of view than the type match ups. If they add more types, then gamefreak can have more creativity in creating each pokemon. A lot of people complain about how redundant pokemon have been over the years, though I disagree, adding a new type allows so many more creative options. For example, we may have our differences about adding a light type, but think about how untouched it's art style is in the pokemon world. There are very few white pokemon.

Instead of looking at often negative view of complicating match ups, look at the creative freedom a new type can open up to pokemon design.

Schwan January 13th, 2013 11:25 AM

I'm pretty sure new types were only introduced in Gen II to balance out types that were considered "significantly better" than others (obviously Psychic, lol.) While I have believed for a while that Steel and Dark may be a tad too strong in terms of resistances or overall stats, I do not think that new types are necessary to balance out these often subjective imbalances.

kevcrash January 13th, 2013 11:28 AM

The only reason a new type would need to be created is to give a boost to poison types who suffer severely from lack of reliable, powerful STAB since grass is the only thing weak to it. It would also be helpful if it were to be resisted by ice types who need the extra defensive help.

Altairis January 13th, 2013 11:35 AM

I don't think they create Pokemon to fit a certain type, they might say "We need more Steel types" and create some based off of that, but I don't think they're not going to say, "Oh, we can't have this be a Pokemon because we don't have a type for it." Porygon's line would be a perfect Digital type, but in the end it's just normal. If they create a "Light type Pokemon" what's stopping them from just making it a Psychic or Normal type? I don't think that not having more types is limiting their creativity :)

Maybe if they gave Poison a bunch of super high powered moves instead of adding a new type? idk I just think that adding a new type will fix anything.

FlameNexus January 13th, 2013 11:42 AM

Hm, that is a possibility, but, either way, i see where you're going with this. B/W Started the route system back at Route 1, so maybe X&Y's game routes will be continued after the last route in B/W.

fffire24 January 13th, 2013 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Lapras* (Post 7490731)
I don't think they create Pokemon to fit a certain type, they might say "We need more Steel types" and create some based off of that, but I don't think they're not going to say, "Oh, we can't have this be a Pokemon because we don't have a type for it." Porygon's line would be a perfect Digital type, but in the end it's just normal. If they create a "Light type Pokemon" what's stopping them from just making it a Psychic or Normal type? I don't think that not having more types is limiting their creativity :)

Maybe if they gave Poison a bunch of super high powered moves instead of adding a new type? idk I just think that adding a new type will fix anything.

Here's another way to look at it. What type would you make Umbreon if the dark type never existed? What type would you make Steelix if steel never existed.

Guy January 13th, 2013 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by fffire24 (Post 7490750)
Here's another way to look at it. What type would you make Umbreon if the dark type never existed? What type would you make Steelix if steel never existed.

To be fair, from that perspective, I'm not really sure we would actually have Umbreon since one could say it was practically made for the introduction of the Dark type. Where as with Steelix, they could have placed it under Rock/Ground if need be. That being said, the whole purpose of Dark and Steel being introduced back in Gen II in the first place was because the type system was off balance and it needed to be better rounded off going into another generation. Should they introduce another type, they would have to go through the type system once again and make sure it remains balanced.

I disagree with the argument that says the lack of newer types limits GameFreak's creativity when it comes to bringing in new Pokémon. You can't really say that when there's still a number of type combinations they have yet to use.

fffire24 January 13th, 2013 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Aerilyn (Post 7490780)
To be fair, from that perspective, I'm not really sure we would actually have Umbreon since one could say it was practically made for the introduction of the Dark type. Where as with Steelix, they could have placed it under Rock/Ground if need be. That being said, the whole purpose of Dark and Steel being introduced back in Gen II in the first place was because the type system was off balance and it needed to be better rounded off going into another generation. Should they introduce another type, they would have to go through the type system once again and make sure it remains balanced.

I disagree with the argument that says the lack of newer types limits GameFreak's creativity when it comes to bringing in new Pokémon. You can't really say that when there's still a number of type combinations they have yet to use.

I never said a lack of new types limits Game Freak, but you can't argue that adding a new type doesn't open new doors for pokemon creation.

I understand the type match up problems that adding a new type brings. I'm just trying to bring a different view to the equation.

Guy January 13th, 2013 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by fffire24 (Post 7490796)
I never said a lack of new types limits Game Freak, but you can't argue that adding a new type doesn't open new doors for pokemon creation.

I understand the type match up problems that adding a new type brings. I'm just trying to bring a different view to the equation.

Yes, bringing in a new type can certainly open new doors for what sort of new Pokémon can be created. The simple idea of adding in the much popular "Light" type alone stirs up quite a few ideas in the back of my head. I was just saying that if anyone thought that GameFreak not choosing to create new types limits their creativity or withholds them from using a Pokémon they want, then I disagree. I was never specifically saying that you said said that though.

Miss Doronjo January 13th, 2013 12:37 PM

I guess it just kind of opens the question of how these new types eg. Light can influence the other types. What if it's a 'stand alone' type that isn't effective against any other type, or maybe more effective, or just... neutral to the others? Well, bottom line, new types can be quite interesting in practice! It's just how would they work -in- practice.

Hollowed January 13th, 2013 12:39 PM

I hope that there will be a Nature, Demonic, Technologic, or a Ancient Type in upcoming Pokemon Games

pikakitten January 13th, 2013 12:42 PM

I don't think new types might come, the only time new ones were introduced were Dark/Steel/etc in Gen II, if there is a Light type, legendaries might be the only ones to get it xD

BlockedHeart January 13th, 2013 1:59 PM

I don't think that they will add new types, last generation was a tiny bit off competitively, and if they add new types, things might get a little more wonky. I wouldn't be opposed, however, to a few Pokemon, (Possibly Legendaries.) having 3 types this gen... but nothing that would allow them to be extremely OP, for example, Fire, Water, Grass, wouldn't work... But for Charizard, Flying, Fire, and Dragon could be useful typing.

Rainbow Arcanine January 22nd, 2013 11:46 PM

I honestly can't see new types coming right now, as since most people have had experience with Pokemon quite a bit it would be frustrating to learn the new types advantages and disadvantages, etc. weaknesses and super effectivenesses. If its only one type that would be fine but multiple of them can be tedious. However for a new type, I'd like to see some sort of 'light' type not like Electric but more like the opposite of dark.

wygar January 23rd, 2013 4:25 AM

to all the ppl suggesting new types: please stop it!
i know it's nice to let our imagination work and all that (in fact, it's one of the reasons why i like pokemon so much, because there's a lot left for our own interpretation and imagination) but honestly we don't even have the entire chart explored and that same chart is already unbalanced enough as it is (i know stealth rock didn't help but it was unbalanced since the beginning).
what i would like to see is an overhaul regarding the effectiveness of at least some of the current types.

we don't need a light type to counter dark, we already have fighting for that purpose.
and light as an element is already covered more than well by fire, psychic and especially electric.
to all the other types suggested, just because you already have niche types which were a bad decision for the most part as shown by their usually "terrible" status, it doesn't mean they should aggravate the problem by intruducing more irrelevant and incoherent stuff to the games.

Platinum Lucario January 23rd, 2013 5:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainbow Arcanine (Post 7506029)
I honestly can't see new types coming right now, as since most people have had experience with Pokemon quite a bit it would be frustrating to learn the new types advantages and disadvantages, etc. weaknesses and super effectivenesses. If its only one type that would be fine but multiple of them can be tedious. However for a new type, I'd like to see some sort of 'light' type not like Electric but more like the opposite of dark.

I completely agree, I too... would only like to see one new type (hoping that it's Light-type).

If there was more than one new type made, then just imagine how more difficult would be to fit in the type chart to make sure there's no type combinations that has no weakness. xD

But if it is just Light-type, I'm sure it would fix the type chart so that all type combinations have a weakness and a resistance. ;)

DavidtheDeadPhilosopher January 23rd, 2013 5:32 AM

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Originally Posted by WeightyWillBill (Post 7490717)
The only reason a new type would need to be created is to give a boost to poison types who suffer severely from lack of reliable, powerful STAB since grass is the only thing weak to it. It would also be helpful if it were to be resisted by ice types who need the extra defensive help.


This is about the only way I could see them adding a new type. It's fairly balanced as it is now. As stated by many, many others above me, Dark and Steel were only introduced to bring a bit more balance to the system. Although other types would be a fun change, but it would take a very large re-working of a very familiar system. It could throw off alot of people, New Players might be able to take it with stride, but anyone that's been playing since Gen 2 would probally have alot of trouble adusting, and the thing would end up being a bunch of fan-hate even though some people would really like to see new types (Light, Digital)

I also don't see the need for a type that can directly counter dark, as Dark is already weak to Fighting, and there are some nice Fight types out there already.

DTep January 23rd, 2013 7:42 AM

I do not want new types to be introduced, and my main reason for not wanting this is because of all the type combinations that are yet unused. Adding in all these combos with new Pokemon (a lot of them would be poison/with another type; like fire/poison or electric/poison), would still bring in new struggles and strategies to be used by those Pokemon or when you are facing them.

Here is an article showing the 44 unused combinations :http://op.kiriska.com/2010/09/pokemon-type-combinations-yet-unused/

François January 23rd, 2013 9:18 AM

I actually disagree with the people saying a new type would upset the type balance - it strikes me as a far easier way to level the playing field than giving massive buffs to Poison, Ice, Grass, Bug etc etc while trying to think of some way to cut down Dragon types. However, having to change the type of truckloads of old Pokémon, introducing new moves / abilities etc etc would be quite the undertaking on GameFreak's part, not to mention something of a headache for fans.

I am against the creation of new types, primarily because all the fan ideas are either redundant (Light just seems unnecessary) or downright terrible ('Sound', the type exclusively built for Exploud!). If they manage to come up with a pokémon that doesn't fit into any of the current types (and isn't based on something manmade) then I won't be mad at GF creating a new type for them, but it's hard for me to picture one.

Miss Doronjo January 23rd, 2013 9:27 AM

I've said this some time ago in another thread, but the Sound type can be pretty interesting to toy with. Like... take Psychic vs. Sound.

See, Psychic has to do with controlling stuff the mind. Moves like Darkness and Bug are super effective against Psychic because they "infect" the mind in some way. (well, and the whole psychic "balance" issues from Gen I) Sound can also affect the mind in numerous ways, in both good, and bad. I can see them not-effecting each other, personally, but it can work in... whatever they would decide to do, like Sound being effective against Psychic, etc, etc.

Well, that was one idea. Again, it's all in the matter of just how would they work in practice if GF decides to make new types.

Evoslingerr January 23rd, 2013 9:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Aryan143 (Post 7477464)
As many people have debated before on this,there may be a chance of getting the Light type.

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I read in some other forums that this Light type (or Saint type) was actuallly happening, but considering how Psychic type is often regarded as the actual "light" type, I don't see it happening now. I hope the introduce some other types, though.

Twilight-kun January 23rd, 2013 11:16 AM

Is Psychic is light, why doesn't it have any effect on Dark types?

Light banishes dark...

If they did introduce it I'd like to see both types have a weakness to the other, kinda how Dragon is weak to dragon

Hederbomb January 23rd, 2013 1:19 PM

1 Legendary looks pure dark type, so A pure light type would be nececary to balance it out... i guess.

Livewire January 23rd, 2013 1:28 PM

THERE WILL BE NOT BE A LIGHT TYPE STOP IT

This has come up the past few times we've gotten new games. Psychic, as a type, parallels and alludes to light and light archetypes so there's that. And with Miracle Eye, Psychic can hit Dark.

New combinations of types? Probably. New types altogether? No.

Esper January 23rd, 2013 1:41 PM

Oh, Live.

But yeah, Light doesn't work either in the sense of actual light (Psychic, Fire, Electric, and some moves of other types cover this already) or in the sense of "goodness" since Fighting sort of covers this as a type (in the sense of fighting fairly), Pokemon have a happiness level, and in general Pokemon is already a kind of default "good" when they've bonded with their trainer. How can you get more good than good?

Hikamaru January 23rd, 2013 1:48 PM

Hahahaha Livewire.

But yeah, I do agree with him that we shouldn't have any new types introduced cos it could affect the whole current type balance. Dark and Steel were introduced back in Gen 2 to better counteract Psychic (and more stronger Bug-type attacks and Pokemon were introduced in following generations) and the reason Light will never become a type because Psychic, Fire and Electric sorta cover that.

Sweets Witch January 23rd, 2013 1:48 PM

A new type would be irrational at this point in Pokemon's history. The edits to the type chart as well as the movepools and typing of previous Pokemon would be much too large of a change. It would take away from the visual and gameplay enhancements that the games would otherwise be trying to showcase. The goal for X and Y is to move up, not out.

ppooookkkkkkk January 23rd, 2013 1:53 PM

It's a very slim chance they add a new type. But, if they added the only possible type would be Light type, Since in many rpg there's a Light element so. Lets wait and see.

Boilurn January 23rd, 2013 1:55 PM

Hmm... It's not very likely that we'll be having a new type, even though there's lots of speculation about the Light-type being introduced. The type that I was thinking of is the Glass-type. It's quite similar to the Ice-type though, getting hit supereffectively by Rock and Fighting-type moves, but it doesn't have a fire-type weakness.

pokemanmdj January 23rd, 2013 1:56 PM

I agree with Sweets Witch. Adding in a new type would be irrational.

How many older pokemon would get this typing? What if only some Gen VI Pokemon had it, and no one else?
I mean, I've contemplated about a Light type before, and how it could be Dark's counter part type- or something of the sort. But adding it in now- I don't think it would work out very well. :/

ppooookkkkkkk January 23rd, 2013 2:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarf (Post 7506795)
Oh, Live.

But yeah, Light doesn't work either in the sense of actual light (Psychic, Fire, Electric, and some moves of other types cover this already) or in the sense of "goodness" since Fighting sort of covers this as a type (in the sense of fighting fairly), Pokemon have a happiness level, and in general Pokemon is already a kind of default "good" when they've bonded with their trainer. How can you get more good than good?

It doesn't mean if they make a "Light" it has too be on the good side.
Ithink the Light type moves will not make much damage at all. Since light only hurts the eyes (A refrence of the move Flash).

Nor types like Glass, Crytal, Beast, would suit or make sense.

The only logical types in my mind are Sound and Cosmic/Space types.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire January 23rd, 2013 2:19 PM

I see fighting as Pokémon's version of the light type, conquering Darkness. Psychic is more like the human mind, as shown by it's weaknesses to Dark,Bug, and Ghost, all of which terrify most humans at some point.

Anywho if they make a new type I'm hoping it's sound...and light. Crystal would be nice. Also to all who are saying no light as Psychic or fighting already covers it they could still make it as GF did make two types to represent earth, or three for those who consider plants (grass in this case) as part of earth.

François January 23rd, 2013 2:24 PM

You know, in a way I'd almost like the Light type to be introduced, just so this discussion wouldn't happen with every single generation.

Cerberus87 January 23rd, 2013 4:11 PM

Please no. Not a Light type which beats Dark. Dark already has enough weaknesses against widely used Pokémon. It has few weaknesses but when paired with other types it seems the amount of weaknesses is much larger.

The problem in 1st gen was that nothing resisted Psychic, apart from itself. So they created a type which is not only immune to Psychic, but it also super-effective against it. The other new type also resisted Psychic.

Nowadays there isn't a type which is overpowered against the other. Poison, for example, is horrible offensively, but it has very good resistances and it can't be poisoned. Even more so with Steel, it sucks as an offensive type, but it's the best defensive type in the game. Meanwhile, Ice is one of the best types offensively, but it only resists itself. Dragon is neutral against most types, but it's only super-effective against itself. Grass is poor offensively, but many disrupting moves are Grass-type.

What Gamefreak can do to balance types is to introduce more Pokémon to counter a dominant type. For example, there's an abundance of Fighting and Steel-types in OU, so let's create more Psychic, Flying, or Fire Pokémon, preferably with strong stats and abilities. If Stealth Rock is a problem, nerf it so that it's no longer dependant on type matchup, or reduce its damage output.

I think most of the stuff in the type chart makes sense and back in 1999 they must've had major brainstorming sessions to come up with what we have now.

If, and it's a BIG if, they added new types, they wouldn't add them to old Pokémon. Back in 2nd gen the only Pokémon from 1st gen which changed types was Magnemite/Magneton. No Pokémon from 1st gen gained the Dark type. So it's definitely not necessary that old Pokémon change types. Magnemite was a very rare case of Gamefreak retconning a Pokémon. Tradition says that, once a Pokémon is created, its stats won't change, neither will its type. Further balancing is done via additional moves and abilities.

Clemstar January 23rd, 2013 4:19 PM

I see it as a definite possibility. They've done it before. What's stopping them from doing it again?
Light, Cosmic and Sound types appeal to me.

Venzeron January 23rd, 2013 6:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Aryan143 (Post 7477464)
As many people have debated before on this,there may be a chance of getting the Light type.

i was thinking of a light type, but that would be slightly difficult to integrate with the ghost-fighting-dark-psychich cycle, don't you think?

Ho-Oh January 24th, 2013 5:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Clemstar (Post 7507000)
I see it as a definite possibility. They've done it before. What's stopping them from doing it again?
Light, Cosmic and Sound types appeal to me.

Cosmic aka space mons? Hmmm you'd have Lunatone, Solrock... Kyurem, um, Chimecho...? idk, but I don't know whether cosmic would be really all that different from psychic, and even closer to it than Light would, imo.

Platinum Lucario January 24th, 2013 7:22 AM

Some people have been saying that Psychic and Fighting is identical to Light, but in my opinion... it doesn't feel like that unfortunately. 'Cause I feel that Psychic-type was based on "Kinetic Energy Power", which has nothing to do with Light at all. Thinking of what the move Psybeam is about... it seems that it's about using some kinetic energy beam at the opponent, which again... kinetic energy doesn't mean that it's based on Light. Same goes for Fighting-type in how it is unable to effect Ghost-types, "Fighting-type" comes from real Fighting, not as in "Fighting for Good"... it's about actual Fighting, so it can either be good or bad, which again I feel has nothing to do with Light.

Either way, the only moves that would enable other moves to be Super Effective against a Ghost/Dark-type in Generation IV and onwards, is to either use the moves Foresight/Odor Sleuth (to remove the immunity for Ghost-types have against Normal or Fighting types) or Miracle Eye (to remove the Dark-types' immunity to Psychic-types, then use the move that is Super Effective respectively, but it still costs two turns to do so. :P

Unless there is a new type to counter the immunity that Ghost/Dark-types have, probably not gonna be possible to take down a Ghost/Dark Pokémon in one hit unless the Pokémon is at a higher level than the opponent's Pokémon to do so, or uses a powerful enough move... which at the same time, would indeed have to be either near the opponent's Pokémon level or higher.

But having said that, the Dark/Ghost-type does indeed show that the type chart is still unbalanced. Some of us might be thinking that a new type may make the type chart unbalanced, but I believe that if they introduce one Light-type it may actually fix the type chart. I would recommend having a think about it and reading up about the types before making your final decision about whenever there should be a new type or not. Since we all have our own opinions, and that's fine, I respect them. ^^

As far as I know, Psychic-type was immune to Ghost-type moves in Generation I, but this was fixed in Generation II when they made Psychic-type weak against Ghost-type moves, which kind of balanced it out a bit. The Dark and Steel types were more to balance out the over-powerful Psychic-type and the underused Fighting-type. But this does kind of raise the question of "How would it have been if there wasn't a Dark-type or Steel-type, but had the same weaknesses and resistances as Generation II?". It quite possibly would've been interesting to know what it could've been like. xD

But if Light-type was introduced, I would be expecting weaknesses and resistances to be somewhat more like this:
Weak against: Fighting ('cause anything fighting can be good or bad), Grass (because plants photosynthesize light) and Normal ('cause anything Normal takes in sunlight, but can harmed in some way due to the UV, as opposed to other types)
Strong against: Dark (light lights up a dark area), Ghost (don't like places with light) and Dragon (most live in caverns, not used to light)
Immune against: Dark (because dark energy can't blot out light)
Can't damage: Fire ('cause light can't do anything to a fire)

Giving Normal-type a type that it would be strong against would surely make things more balanced. Since Normal-type doesn't even have a type that it's strong against yet.
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Originally Posted by Clemstar (Post 7507000)
I see it as a definite possibility. They've done it before. What's stopping them from doing it again?
Light, Cosmic and Sound types appeal to me.

I think Cosmic-type is pretty much Psychic-type as it is. 'Cause it still represents the same thing: kinetic energy! :P

Seth Rollins January 24th, 2013 8:00 AM

I'd love to see a Honey type, to all the bees lol. But...if they have dark, why they don't have light? Kidding lol. Electric is identical to light, so they don't need a light type.

Ho-Oh January 24th, 2013 8:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Ultimate PKMN Trainer Red (Post 7507673)
I'd love to see a Honey type, to all the bees lol. But...if they have dark, why they don't have light? Kidding lol. Electric is identical to light, so they don't need a light type.

But a honey type would only involve like, 5 mons. It's not big enough to really need a whole type dedicated to those. Maybe something more common (such as FROGS apparently) but bees aren't really common. :x

SpitfireYoshi January 24th, 2013 8:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7507693)
But a honey type would only involve like, 5 mons. It's not big enough to really need a whole type dedicated to those. Maybe something more common (such as FROGS apparently) but bees aren't really common. :x

I find those two ideas just weird... You have all of these types, then you have honey type and frog type... >.< If there would be new types, then they should be Plasma(Y) and Light(X). I wouldn't like them adding new types. To complicated.

Ho-Oh January 24th, 2013 8:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SpitfireYoshi (Post 7507700)
I find those two ideas just weird... You have all of these types, then you have honey type and frog type... >.< If there would be new types, then they should be Plasma(Y) and Light(X). I wouldn't like them adding new types. To complicated.

Oh no I wasn't in support of the frog type, I was just using that as an example of something... a tiny bit more likely but still very, very unlikely. XD;

But Plasma could be interesting, however its actual purpose would be hard to pinpoint imo that isn't already covered what we have now. Plus it would be more appropriate in Unova really and not here. :(

François January 24th, 2013 9:20 AM

What I wonder about the proposed 'Cosmic' type is whether we're talking about pokémon that utilise stuff from space (Cosmic Power, Draco Meteor, etc) or just pokémon that come from space. If it's the latter then it just seems a bit pointless - why would you give a pokémon a type based on where they come from?

Miss Doronjo January 24th, 2013 10:00 AM

True, they probably wouldn't make types based on a pokemon's habitat or would they came from. That, and they wouldn't make types based on a pokemon's egg group or classification in say, a pokedex. Nothing specific like that. Eh, if anything, I'd see a possible 'cosmo' type to be like, a celestial type, but again, they sound closely familiar to psychic types imo.

Esper January 24th, 2013 10:25 AM

We don't really need a Plasma type since we already have Fire- and Electric-types. I think that would be an even greater overlap than Rock and Ground. I mean, what would be the difference?

Cerberus87 January 24th, 2013 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by PokémonShinySilver (Post 7507645)
Some people have been saying that Psychic and Fighting is identical to Light, but in my opinion... it doesn't feel like that unfortunately. 'Cause I feel that Psychic-type was based on "Kinetic Energy Power", which has nothing to do with Light at all. Thinking of what the move Psybeam is about... it seems that it's about using some kinetic energy beam at the opponent, which again... kinetic energy doesn't mean that it's based on Light. Same goes for Fighting-type in how it is unable to effect Ghost-types, "Fighting-type" comes from real Fighting, not as in "Fighting for Good"... it's about actual Fighting, so it can either be good or bad, which again I feel has nothing to do with Light.

Either way, the only moves that would enable other moves to be Super Effective against a Ghost/Dark-type in Generation IV and onwards, is to either use the moves Foresight/Odor Sleuth (to remove the immunity for Ghost-types have against Normal or Fighting types) or Miracle Eye (to remove the Dark-types' immunity to Psychic-types, then use the move that is Super Effective respectively, but it still costs two turns to do so. :P

Unless there is a new type to counter the immunity that Ghost/Dark-types have, probably not gonna be possible to take down a Ghost/Dark Pokémon in one hit unless the Pokémon is at a higher level than the opponent's Pokémon to do so, or uses a powerful enough move... which at the same time, would indeed have to be either near the opponent's Pokémon level or higher.

But having said that, the Dark/Ghost-type does indeed show that the type chart is still unbalanced. Some of us might be thinking that a new type may make the type chart unbalanced, but I believe that if they introduce one Light-type it may actually fix the type chart. I would recommend having a think about it and reading up about the types before making your final decision about whenever there should be a new type or not. Since we all have our own opinions, and that's fine, I respect them. ^^

As far as I know, Psychic-type was immune to Ghost-type moves in Generation I, but this was fixed in Generation II when they made Psychic-type weak against Ghost-type moves, which kind of balanced it out a bit. The Dark and Steel types were more to balance out the over-powerful Psychic-type and the underused Fighting-type. But this does kind of raise the question of "How would it have been if there wasn't a Dark-type or Steel-type, but had the same weaknesses and resistances as Generation II?". It quite possibly would've been interesting to know what it could've been like. xD

But if Light-type was introduced, I would be expecting weaknesses and resistances to be somewhat more like this:
Weak against: Fighting ('cause anything fighting can be good or bad), Grass (because plants photosynthesize light) and Normal ('cause anything Normal takes in sunlight, but can harmed in some way due to the UV, as opposed to other types)
Strong against: Dark (light lights up a dark area), Ghost (don't like places with light) and Dragon (most live in caverns, not used to light)
Immune against: Dark (because dark energy can't blot out light)
Can't damage: Fire ('cause light can't do anything to a fire)

Giving Normal-type a type that it would be strong against would surely make things more balanced. Since Normal-type doesn't even have a type that it's strong against yet.


I think Cosmic-type is pretty much Psychic-type as it is. 'Cause it still represents the same thing: kinetic energy! :P

I completely disagree, the whole point of Dark/Ghost is to have no weaknesses, that's why they created Pokémon with this combination in the first place. Besides, both Pokémon with that type aren't very stellar anyway, Spiritomb is usable but Sableye is quite weak.

Normal-type was never supposed to have advantage against other types, it's "normal" meaning it has no special qualities, therefore it can't damage anything super-effectively. It can be walled, though, because ordinary hits can't do much against Rock and Steel-types, and can't do anything against Ghosts. And usually Normal-types are fairly resourceful and learn tons of moves, so it's not like they can't damage anything super-effectively.

A Light type that was strong against Dark would add one weakness to pretty much all Dark-types in the game, it would make things way unbalanced since Pokémon like Tyranitar, Weavile and Krookodile, which already have tons of weaknesses, would gain one more and become harder to use effectively. There's no need to nerf the Dark-type, it's already tough to use effectively because 5th gen introduced many powerful Fighting-types as well as an ability which blocks Dark-type moves (Justified). Weakness against Fighting would make Fighting-types even more powerful than they are. It would break the game.


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