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OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 20th, 2013 8:45 AM

Poor Australia, they always seem to get the games last, actually they're proably the ones who benefit the most from this world wide premire (well except GF and Nintendo of course, big money made) as they don't have to wait so long compared to the rest of the nations that get Pokemon games (still wonder about Korea's date though).

vaporeon7 February 20th, 2013 9:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7546873)
Poor Australia, they always seem to get the games last, actually they're proably the ones who benefit the most from this world wide premire (well except GF and Nintendo of course, big money made) as they don't have to wait so long compared to the rest of the nations that get Pokemon games (still wonder about Korea's date though).

I think Australia will end up getting the games on the Thursday after everyone else has got them. I can't think of a time where a new game hasn't been released on a Thursday.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 20th, 2013 9:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7546889)
Eh, I don't think AUS would have to wait so long after the games release, I mean, the longest they would have to wait is probably a week or so after the games release to get them(or maybe a few days, really), but I can't imagine it to be much longer than that.

At least for the first time in a long time, Australia isn't getting the short end of the stick in this deal, as they can get these games not long after the US and Europe does.

Actually Australians will be some of the first ones to get the game if they do go ahead and do a international release all in the same day (but different hours) as they'll some of the first ones to hit the new day. Those of us who live in the western United states however would have to wait the longest...actually Australia might even get them before Japan considering it's like one hour or so ahead (eastern side).

Mark Kamill February 20th, 2013 9:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7546914)
So it would be Australia first, Japan second, Europe third, East US forth, and West US for the last...

..I don't know, I find that set-up pretty awkward. ._.

Well the timezones are like that, and last time I checked you can't fix em, eh? But its still all relative within a 2-3 day timespan, nothing new. What's really important is if the dates are early or late October. Early I can handle college would just have kicked in and it takes some time for it to get going, but late october, plus whatever else would be coming out? Too hard to handle.

iTeruri February 20th, 2013 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7546914)
So it would be Australia first, Japan second, Europe third, East US forth, and West US for the last...

..I don't know, I find that set-up pretty awkward. ._.

What's awkward about that? It would still be on the same date, local time. That's just how the world works (or turns, for that matter). Any other set-up would be awkward for a simultanious release.

Say they decide not to use the date but release the game at the exact same hour as well. GMT would be a good choice to use. So the UK get to buy the game at 12:00, western Europe at 11:00. That would mean that Japan gets the game at 2:00. On the other hand: the USA (east coast) gets the game at 17:00, while Alaska gets the game at 21:00.
This wouldn't work. At all. Why have a game released during the night (in Japan/Australia) or in the evening (Alaska). Even during the day wouldn't work. Stores would just put the games on the shelf in the morning, like they always do with new releases. Such a timed release wouldn't work.

A world wide release date is the most logical option. On October xth local time you can buy the game. Some countries might get it ahead of you, other countries might get it after you. It's just the way timezones work.

blue February 20th, 2013 11:08 AM

I'm thinking Japan > Europe > America > Australia. I just have a feeling with the Region presumably being based in Europe, it will have an effect on the release order maybe. That was the order for Black & White so it could have a similar trend..

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 20th, 2013 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7546969)
I'm thinking Japan > Europe > America > Australia. I just have a feeling with the Region presumably being based in Europe, it will have an effect on the release order maybe. That was the order for Black & White so it could have a similar trend..

In that case Australia won't end up getting the game in the same day...which would go against the World wide release...I think it'll be fair for Australia to get them first for once (even before Japan). After all Unova was based on the United States yet Gen V came out in Europe first...(maybe the next generation will be based on Australia...)

vaporeon7 February 20th, 2013 11:42 AM

I'd love for the next gen to be based of Australia. I'd imagine it'd be similar to Hoenn.

iTeruri February 20th, 2013 2:38 PM

I think it's localization that's the cause. It makes sense to translate the game fron Japenese to English first, after that's done the game can be released in North-America (I don't know what language games Canada gets). Next the games have to be translated to several different languages (French, German, Spanish, Portugese?). These are all European languages. Eventhough some countries get the English version (the UK, the Netherland and Belgium are the ones I know of), it doesn't make sense to release one version ahead of the other versions, so Europe has to wait untill all localized versions are done. (not counting the incident with Heart Gold in the Netherlands/Belgium)
And now for Australia. It gets the games last, because it's Australia. I can't think of a logical reason why Australia has to wait so long when the English version is already done.

blue February 20th, 2013 3:43 PM

Well the fact that Europe got BW before any of the other International areas shows that it's pretty erratic. I'd put money on Europe being first in line shortly after Japan which would be shortly followed by the rest.

vaporeon7 February 20th, 2013 4:49 PM

I still think that Japan will get it first, and if they didn't... well that'd just feel strange after all this time.

Miss Doronjo February 20th, 2013 5:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7547395)
Oh, Japan will always get the main games first I believe, since(as I mentioned before in a post somewhere), it's really all about the sales! Since the games sell the most in Japan, they usually get it first, so that's pretty easy to guess. The troubling part is which country follows afterwards, along with the rest, if that makes sense.

Isn't it a simultaneous release though? So maybe it doesn't matter for them what country gets the products first?

vaporeon7 February 20th, 2013 7:01 PM

I thought it was just a worldwide release in October. I'm probably wrong though.

shengar February 21st, 2013 2:40 AM

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Originally Posted by vaporeon7 (Post 7546997)
I'd love for the next gen to be based of Australia. I'd imagine it'd be similar to Hoenn.

I don't know what kind of native they will get since Australian animal are monsters themselves XP

blue February 21st, 2013 3:39 AM

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Originally Posted by vaporeon7 (Post 7547577)
I thought it was just a worldwide release in October. I'm probably wrong though.

It will be that, just not on the same day. I'd like to think that all countries wold get the game in a space of two weeks. So Japan starting on the 12th and then say Australia getting the games last but not long after on the 21st or something.

vaporeon7 February 21st, 2013 4:08 AM

I kinda wish it gets delayed a month. It'll come out just before my year 12 exams, it's like Game Freak wants me to fail.

Hikamaru February 21st, 2013 4:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7547939)
It will be that, just not on the same day. I'd like to think that all countries wold get the game in a space of two weeks. So Japan starting on the 12th and then say Australia getting the games last but not long after on the 21st or something.

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Originally Posted by iTeruri (Post 7547177)
And now for Australia. It gets the games last, because it's Australia. I can't think of a logical reason why Australia has to wait so long when the English version is already done.

That's not exactly the case, based on the pattern of past games most of them saw Europe getting the games last, with Australia usually being in the middle.

The only times Australia came last in releases was with Red & Blue and Black & White, and they did get Gold & Silver before the US. I'm sorta speculating the pattern will be the same as most games - Japan > US > Australia > Europe.

In fact, here's the patterns based on the last few games (I'm counting Japan out since it's always first):

Red & Blue: US > Europe > Australia
Yellow: US > Australia > Europe
Gold & Silver: Australia > US > Europe
Crystal: US > Australia > Europe
Ruby & Sapphire: US > Australia > Europe
FireRed & LeafGreen: US > Australia > Europe
Emerald: US > Australia > Europe
Diamond & Pearl: US > Australia > Europe
Platinum: US > Australia > Europe
HeartGold & SoulSilver: US > Australia > Europe
Black & White: Europe > US > Australia
Black 2 & White 2: US > Australia > Europe

Notice how it's almost the same pattern? Australia usually almost always ends up in the middle. Even though some games had a big few months' difference with the international releases, it often ended up with the same pattern except for Red & Blue, Gold & Silver and Black & White.

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Originally Posted by vaporeon7 (Post 7547958)
I kinda wish it gets delayed a month. It'll come out just before my year 12 exams, it's like Game Freak wants me to fail.

I remember wanting to get Black 2 & White 2 for my birthday but after hearing the Australian release was after October 1st (my birthday) I had to get them for Christmas instead. I guess it'll happen again with X & Y as well, having to get them as Christmas instead of birthday gifts.

Every game I owned up to Black & White (and including Black & White) I did get on my birthday, probably cos they didn't have any release date for October.

vaporeon7 February 21st, 2013 4:34 AM

I'll still get them on the release day regardless. But I would rather have sleepless nights and unproductive days when exams are finished.

Hikamaru February 21st, 2013 4:40 AM

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Originally Posted by vaporeon7 (Post 7547982)
I'll still get them on the release day regardless. But I would rather have sleepless nights and unproductive days when exams are finished.

My mother never lets me buy stuff myself lol, I'll probably get them for Christmas like I did with Black 2 & White 2.

But yeah, interesting information I compiled into that last post of mine. I mainly got that information off Bulbapedia, since it's a reliable source of information. I also follow Serebii for any news-related items.

Nick February 21st, 2013 8:27 AM

I was looking at Pokémon X and Pokémon Y as names and I have come to the conclusion that Pokémon Y, aesthetically, looks extremely awkward. Especially all by itself.

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Pokémon Y...

...

So awkward.

Guy February 21st, 2013 9:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Patchisou Yutohru (Post 7548162)
I was looking at Pokémon X and Pokémon Y as names and I have come to the conclusion that Pokémon Y, aesthetically, looks extremely awkward. Especially all by itself.

...

Pokémon Y...

...

So awkward.

When found alone, Y can be an awkward letter. I just hope that if there's a third game, Pokémon W won't be the title. Now that's awkward.

...

Pokémon W...

....

Definitely worse than Pokémon Y when by itself.

iTeruri February 21st, 2013 9:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Hikari10 (Post 7547960)
That's not exactly the case, based on the pattern of past games most of them saw Europe getting the games last, with Australia usually being in the middle.

The only times Australia came last in releases was with Red & Blue and Black & White, and they did get Gold & Silver before the US. I'm sorta speculating the pattern will be the same as most games - Japan > US > Australia > Europe.

In fact, here's the patterns based on the last few games (I'm counting Japan out since it's always first):

Red & Blue: US > Europe > Australia
Yellow: US > Australia > Europe
Gold & Silver: Australia > US > Europe
Crystal: US > Australia > Europe
Ruby & Sapphire: US > Australia > Europe
FireRed & LeafGreen: US > Australia > Europe
Emerald: US > Australia > Europe
Diamond & Pearl: US > Australia > Europe
Platinum: US > Australia > Europe
HeartGold & SoulSilver: US > Australia > Europe
Black & White: Europe > US > Australia
Black 2 & White 2: US > Australia > Europe

Notice how it's almost the same pattern? Australia usually almost always ends up in the middle. Even though some games had a big few months' difference with the international releases, it often ended up with the same pattern except for Red & Blue, Gold & Silver and Black & White.

That makes sense.
Japan gets them first because it's where the games are made.
The US gets them second, because translating from Japenese to English makes sense.
A delay between the American release and the Australian release makes no sense, but it's there.
Then the translation to the other European languages begins, so the games can be released in Europe (in all languages at the same time).

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More than likely I'll get the games the day before the release date. I think Diamond might've been the last Pokémon game I bought on the release date, all others I bought before the official release date (with Black being the exception, but I got white the day before the release). I even got my 3DS the day before the official release (does that make me a very early adopter?).

blue February 21st, 2013 9:47 AM

Well there's no real structure to base it off from that, although the US have had the prority the majority of the time, there've been occasions where both Europe and Australia have got the games before others so it could just happen again.

Platinum Lucario February 21st, 2013 10:20 AM

Despite knowing that the games would be released worldwide in the same month doesn't necessarily mean that it'll be released on the same day. I'm sure later on they'll reveal the separate days in where it's going to be released. I'm assuming the US will get it before Japan for a change.
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Originally Posted by iTeruri (Post 7548197)
More than likely I'll get the games the day before the release date. I think Diamond might've been the last Pokémon game I bought on the release date, all others I bought before the official release date (with Black being the exception, but I got white the day before the release). I even got my 3DS the day before the official release (does that make me a very early adopter?).

I remember when I tried buying Pokémon Platinum at Kmart here in Australia before it's release date and it led to the one of the Kmart staff members getting into trouble for almost allowing me to purchase the game before it's release date, and so after that... they refused to sell it to me until it's release date.

So unfortunately... I'd have no choice but to buy it right on it's release, the same thing will happen with X and Y. So disappointing though, but I guess that's their strict guidelines. :(

vaporeon7 February 21st, 2013 2:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Aerilyn (Post 7548187)
When found alone, Y can be an awkward letter. I just hope that if there's a third game, Pokémon W won't be the title. Now that's awkward.

...

Pokémon W...

....

Definitely worse than Pokémon Y when by itself.

I don't get it :(

And according to Hikari's stuff, it'll go US, Aus the Eu.

blue February 21st, 2013 3:13 PM

It does seem too short for a Pokemon game, I'm used to saying Pokemon Platinum, Pokemon White etc but it just seems cut short when saying Pokemon X or Pokemon Y.

Guy February 21st, 2013 4:19 PM

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Originally Posted by vaporeon7 (Post 7548476)
I don't get it :(

And according to Hikari's stuff, it'll go US, Aus the Eu.

Like Y, W by itself just seems awkward but more so. If they were to title whatever third game we get Pokémon W, whatever OCD I may have is going to kick in and all I'll see it as is an abbreviation of Pokémon White.

Miss Doronjo February 21st, 2013 4:34 PM

Another possibility is that it can be something like XX or XY, from the whole genetics speculations I guess~!

Mark Kamill February 21st, 2013 5:47 PM

Either give us W and Z games and a quartet of box legendaries instead of the mess that was B2W2 or do nothing. W and Z could establish Pokemon that are the beginning and the end to the Xerneas and Yveltal focused Mythos, and perhaps give us an interesting story to go along with XY and Y. Sequel of course, but with massive differences to XY, unlike B2W2 again. The reason I'm saying this is cause with DLC there is no justification for releasing the same game once again with minor updates when they could just patch the game over. Sequels are the only thing that could work with the advent of DLC, and even then they could give the original games a DLC option to start a memory link style new game+

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 21st, 2013 6:38 PM

Unless they decide to leave out DLC from these games... it's possible.
Though I agree with the W and Z for sequels, after all W and Z make up a another sex-chromosome pair (birds irc).

Mark Kamill February 21st, 2013 7:22 PM

Paraquoting here but Masuda said a while back charging for non-substantial DLC is wrong, so likely if any DLC comes from the games it would be massive updates, like what the Battle Frontier or Pokewood can be considered. Stuff like that being added in bundles, and perhaps having the world evolve throughout the years would eliminate the need for 3rd versions/sequels. Not to mention if they feel bad about non-substantial DLC being sold, its wholly hypocritical for them to even consider 45 euro games like B2W2 being sold anymore.

Cerberus87 February 21st, 2013 8:16 PM

IMO Battle Frontier and Pokéwood aren't "substantial updates", but I'd pay $2.99 for them.

Pinkie-Dawn February 21st, 2013 8:34 PM

What about DLC for Gen VI's event Pokemon, as well as alternate skins for your background like the C-Gears?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 21st, 2013 9:01 PM

The backgrounds/skins would need to look very cool or beautiful for me to buy them. Legends...well they practically had those of us who wanted the Therian formes of the Kami trio, so I can see something like that for legends.

vaporeon7 February 21st, 2013 11:19 PM

What about DLC trainers, similar to the e-reader trainers in gen III.

blue February 22nd, 2013 2:54 AM

Yeah, I can see DLC playing a big part in these games, they have a lot of potential for many different uses such as events, aesthetic changes, new areas, new extended features etc.

Platinum Lucario February 22nd, 2013 5:02 AM

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Originally Posted by vaporeon7 (Post 7549006)
What about DLC trainers, similar to the e-reader trainers in gen III.

Hm... yeah that probably would be a good idea. But I also thought of another thing as well, maybe trainers can have different accessories, even if one trainer is the same trainer class?

That would at least make each and every trainer look different and unique in their own way. ;)

Rainbow Daaash February 22nd, 2013 5:04 AM

I'm looking forward to some things getting evolutions from gens 1-5 that needed them. Hopefully, nothing else or maybe just 1 thing from 1st gen gets an evolution as most of them already do :s Buuuut, for something like Girafarig, I could see a step up being neat. I always liked Girafarig. Dat typing.

Miss Doronjo February 22nd, 2013 5:48 AM

More X&Y insider junk from 4chan.

Yes, while I do know that "leaks" from 4chan can be easily taken with grains of salt, (in this case, I highly doubt 4Chan would be anyone with inside info's first port of call...), and yes, I know it's not real info and only just speculations, its just, some of those speculations are... kinda interesting!

Like the Timetravel idea. Plus given that it's happened before in the games, it wouldn't be as out-there as one may think. The Bond system has serious potential as well, giving pokémon-trainer relationships a bigger role than the Happiness Counter, which, admittedly, I follow. Using it to make way for more moves similar to Return, in addition to the fuzzy feeling you get when your psychotic, sadistic 3 headed Dragon loves you so much, would make raising the critters far more rewarding. Of course, maybe it would also solve the Sylveon evolution mystery?

Finally, while most of these "new pokémon" sound.... weird, those Card Quartet Legendaries sound kind of cool~ My best guess is that they'd be dual types akin to the Rotom formes who share one basic type. Perhaps Normal or Dark. Or maybe a Normal/Ghost is a combo?

Pinkie-Dawn February 22nd, 2013 7:16 AM

What made me skeptical about that rumor is the mention of the total number of new Pokemon as 99, which is far too few for Pokemon standards (not to mention Sylveon being a pure normal, which ruins the pattern of the eeveelutions being based on formerly special-based types).

Bluerang1 February 22nd, 2013 8:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Miss Doronjo (Post 7549142)
More X&Y insider junk from 4chan.

Yes, while I do know that "leaks" from 4chan can be easily taken with grains of salt, (in this case, I highly doubt 4Chan would be anyone with inside info's first port of call...), and yes, I know it's not real info and only just speculations, its just, some of those speculations are... kinda interesting!

Like the Timetravel idea. Plus given that it's happened before in the games, it wouldn't be as out-there as one may think. The Bond system has serious potential as well, giving pokémon-trainer relationships a bigger role than the Happiness Counter, which, admittedly, I follow. Using it to make way for more moves similar to Return, in addition to the fuzzy feeling you get when your psychotic, sadistic 3 headed Dragon loves you so much, would make raising the critters far more rewarding. Of course, maybe it would also solve the Sylveon evolution mystery?

Finally, while most of these "new pokémon" sound.... weird, those Card Quartet Legendaries sound kind of cool~ My best guess is that they'd be dual types akin to the Rotom formes who share one basic type. Perhaps Normal or Dark. Or maybe a Normal/Ghost is a combo?

I love 4chan junk! I really want this to be true as it seems plausable but there are some aspects that make this unreal like no regional rodent and bird? Doubt it. I like the Legendary typings as they work and another hole, no third one for their trio. hmmmn.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 22nd, 2013 9:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7549236)
Totally going with Pinkie-Dawn here. I was pretty skeptical at first, and then I read everything, and one of the key things that stood out is the 99 new Pokemon...why not like, idk, 150 like they usually do? It doesn't really make much sense to me, but I guess.

I mean, a lot of this stuff seems at least remotely plausible. Pinsir evolution, something that some fans have been waiting for, could be a good possibility. Hariyama evolution? Seems a bit odd, since Hariyama is pretty powerful in it's own right, but not really arguing much with that. A lot of the other info also seems a bit sketchy, for example only 6 new legendaries, seems way too few, and in general, it just doesn't seem like a move GF would do.

It seems like they would add more legendaries, add a brand new experience with brand new Pokemon, things of that nature, and give the player a vast world to explore. x_x Not really trusting in this information, sadly.

Well even generations tend to introduce less than odd generations (Gen 1- 151, Gen 3- 135 , Gen 5- 156, and even have Gen 2- 100, Gen 4- 107) so it's best that we don't expect a repeat of Unova, or even Hoenn's numbers.

I think that 4 Chan person might be a PC visiter as I mentioned the 4 card thing in new pokemon speculation...

chespinliz February 22nd, 2013 9:11 AM

Does anyone know when the next leak will be

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 22nd, 2013 9:16 AM

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Originally Posted by chespinliz (Post 7549311)
Does anyone know when the next leak will be

I think it'll be around the 13th of next month or so usually it's around the end of the second week of every month as Corocoro tends to be released on the 15th of that month.

Mujahid February 22nd, 2013 9:38 AM

While some of the rumors are cool, i am pretty sure they're fake.Whoever made that up has good ideas. The Bond system was beautifully done.

Xander Olivieri February 22nd, 2013 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by chespinliz (Post 7549311)
Does anyone know when the next leak will be

No one knows when the next leak will be. They aren't guaranteed or dated. Earliest we can get a leak or info is tomorrow through Smash. Other than that we can get them any day before the 15th with a Coro Coro leak, though that is purely up to the ones who want to risk going to jail for uploaded segments of a magazine that is not out yet. Pokemon.com usually updates before the 15th if there is any news in Japan.

Sabrewulf238 February 22nd, 2013 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Miss Doronjo (Post 7549142)

The whole "this info will shock, anger or relieve" makes me very suspicious.

I'm not buying it at all. Also Pinsir should get an evolution not a baby form....

edit: Just read further and saw he mentioned a Pinsir evolution along with a baby form.....eh I don't know why I'm even bothering.

Mark Kamill February 22nd, 2013 11:43 AM

That was a completely awesome, and non-believable rumor. Some of the stuff made so much sense, DLC event legendaries come later likely with 6 basic onces, bonding replacing friendship and having it as a huge battle changer with stat boosts and what not, but the amount of detail everything has up to the fact that you have 99 Pokemon with 30 of them being extensions is way too much, including the time travel and the fact that the pokedevice is really a time machine. All cool, radical changes that won't happen, but the rumor is definitely great.

RandomDSdevel February 22nd, 2013 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Aerilyn (Post 7526031)
The DNA Splicers is a key item found in B2W2. It's what the player uses to merge Kyurem with either Reshiram or Zekrom to form White Kyurem or Black Kyurem. If it's brought back in X and Y, I doubt they'll change its main use for anything more despite the apparent theme in DNA / genetics.

Oh, right…sorry, I haven't really gotten into Generation V yet. I have the games, though, so maybe I'll be able to catch up to everyone else who has that generation of the Pokémon games before Generation VI comes out.

Xander Olivieri February 22nd, 2013 12:50 PM

That entire rumor wasn't believable at all, although the concepts he came up with were very cool. I really liked the Trainer Level idea. Though the Bond thing effecting stats would be overkill.

RandomDSdevel February 22nd, 2013 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7527396)
For myself, I'm personally indifferent. I'm hoping the protagonists' dialogue won't be horrible or anything like that, but at the same time, I'm pretty open-minded to the thought. Maybe they could say a few words here and there, not like having a conversation with anyone or anything like that, but yeah.

Or it could go the Animal Crossing route and you could choose what they could say. That would seem more ideal. XD

You can also choose how you respond to questions in The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword, and some of the answers available for you to choose from are quite funny, if I do mention it myself!

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7527711)
They would still be pretty easy to get though, even after beating a certain gym. The 4th gym isn't too far, and most players are too focused grinding their Pokemon to beat trainers on routes/gym leaders anyway. u_u

Though for me, the only thing I'm really waiting for is the kind of new moves they're going to make. It seems like a lot of moves are covered already, but what else can we see? More Poison-type moves? More Steel-types, and what kind, with that effects~? With so many moves that we know of already, what more could be available?

Two words: 'Shadow Vortex.' See my sig.

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7527943)
Yes! n__n I'd also like it if Fly would work in a similar fashion, because I always wanted to explore the skies~!

Now that you mention it, your idea reminds of one about steerable Pidgey that I posted as part of an IGN discussion. Problem is, would the little bugger even be able to lift you?

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Originally Posted by vaporeon7 (Post 7528100)
I think it'd be interesting if fly worked how it did in Ranger: Guardian Signs, that was pretty enjoyable.

Looking that style of flying up on Serebii.net made me realize that this could work very well…if only you used the Circle Pad instead of the stylus.

"That was easy." Nice job, Cyclone!

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Originally Posted by Victini (Post 7531397)
That fox is not gonna be Fire/Fighting, period. Froakie was the only one shown doing a physical move for goodness sakes.
Fennekin is not physical at all, clearly. It was pretty obvious to me that he used a Psychic move in the trailer.

In any case... Light and Shadow make sense as types, but Sound and Toxic do not, to me. So I'm gonna call fake on it, although it was obvious enough already.

Yeah: Shadow duplicates Dark, and Toxic duplicates Poison.

Pinkie-Dawn February 22nd, 2013 4:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7549305)
Well even generations tend to introduce less than odd generations (Gen 1- 151, Gen 3- 135 , Gen 5- 156, and even have Gen 2- 100, Gen 4- 107) so it's best that we don't expect a repeat of Unova, or even Hoenn's numbers.

But even for an even-numbered gen, 99 new Pokemon is still too few, because the premise of every new gen is to introduce more than 100 new Pokemon. I expected Gen VI to introduce a range between 100-109 new species.

Cerberus87 February 22nd, 2013 5:21 PM

Where's this 4chan rumor? I went through /vp/ and found nothing.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 22nd, 2013 6:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 7549842)
But even for an even-numbered gen, 99 new Pokemon is still too few, because the premise of every new gen is to introduce more than 100 new Pokemon. I expected Gen VI to introduce a range between 100-109 new species.

GF can introduce as many Pokémon as they want. And while the rumor is false it is possible it can be 99 as it's only 1 away from 100 which Johto had. My guess is they'll introduce 105 new Pokémon.

Xander Olivieri February 22nd, 2013 9:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7550011)
GF can introduce as many Pokémon as they want. And while the rumor is false it is possible it can be 99 as it's only 1 away from 100 which Johto had. My guess is they'll introduce 105 new Pokémon.

Johto had 251 Pokemon in their Pokedex. Since Kanto had 151, Johto had 100 Pokemon exactly added to the series. Hoenn added 135. Sinnoh added 107. Each region added 100+ Pokemon to the Pokedex. They don't HAVE to follow this as gamefreak said it was all pretty much coincidence, but there is a fairly good chance that 100 is the magic number. I remember when the rumors started, it was said we'd only get 70 new Pokemon. Glad the number is increasing with each false rumor that surfaces XD

Ya I did miss read what you posted initially, but mine helps your point. The number they add is up to Gamefreak. Each region usually has around 100 though.

Pinkie-Dawn February 22nd, 2013 9:44 PM

And introducing only 99 new Pokemon instead of 100 will only bring some fans screeching about how GF is running out of ideas for new Pokemon.

Ho-Oh February 22nd, 2013 10:09 PM

99 just sounds odd to finish on. XD;

Just go the whole mile, GF. ;)

Xander Olivieri February 22nd, 2013 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 7550316)
And introducing only 99 new Pokemon instead of 100 will only bring some fans screeching about how GF is running out of ideas for new Pokemon.

I'm sorry, but Gamefreak can make 500 new Pokemon for X and Y and fans will STILL come screeching how GF is running out of ideas for new Pokemon. Its been the same rant since Generation 2 or 3. We have over 600 Pokemon now so there have been at least 200-300 Pokemon added since those rants appeared and they still don't shut up. That's just fans who don't know what the hell they are talking about whining for the sake of whining because they do not like Pokemon like they try to pretend they do.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 22nd, 2013 10:28 PM

Right, Generation 5 had 156 or so and many still whined about the lack of creativity (sure some of them are based off food, but Sinnoh also had one (the cherry Pokémon)). In my time in the fan base it seems like the ranting on this has become higher since Generation 3 (I'm still not sure if people dislike more Sinnoh's or Unova's, I think it might be Sinnoh's...(I love Sinnoh though tbh) we should take a pool).

Anyways GF seems to like odd numbers, ending the dex in an odd number for almost all the generations, and making the odd generations the reboots (well Hoenn, and Unova as Kanto was the start). So it might be possible, yet an odd plus an odd would make an even so maybe 104 or 106 is my prediction/wish.

vaporeon7 February 23rd, 2013 3:14 AM

I would like 121 new Pokémon, or maybe 144 new Pokémon. I like my square numbers okay?

Hikamaru February 23rd, 2013 3:21 AM

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Originally Posted by vaporeon7 (Post 7550595)
I would like 121 new Pokémon, or maybe 144 new Pokémon. I like my square numbers okay?

This I agree with. 99 is just too few for a number of new Pokemon to be introduced.

Ho-Oh February 23rd, 2013 4:06 AM

On another topic, I was wondering about the rival's choice. Do y'all think that the rival might not actually chose the leftover starter, and rather something brand new with an advantage over you?

WishCookie February 23rd, 2013 4:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7550637)
On another topic, I was wondering about the rival's choice. Do y'all think that the rival might not actually chose the leftover starter, and rather something brand new with an advantage over you?

That would be quite surprising if that actually would happen but I dont know. It isn't much of a challenge to beat them even if they have an advantage over you, they're still too easy to beat.

I think that Gamefreak should step their game up with trainers and the rival being much much stronger if you're going to have a starter that's strong against your rivals. If the rival still get that advantage over you, I think that Gamefreak still have to make the rival and general trainers much more stronger. The game is just too easy sometimes. Some probably thinks that the game is balanced but I would still like to see it getting a bit harder than the previous games.

Synerjee February 23rd, 2013 4:21 AM

I highly doubt that. It has been tradition that the rival chooses a Pokemon from the same starter batch given by the professor. GF is not likely to suddenly make a huge change from what it has done for many, many years.

Ho-Oh February 23rd, 2013 4:26 AM

Well they've made lots of other traditional changes, actually. I mean, they could use something found much later on but at the same level, however when it's at level 50 it's 10x more powerful than your starter, making it a real challenge for you as it grows up, and you face the rival more.

WishCookie February 23rd, 2013 4:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7550666)
Well they've made lots of other traditional changes, actually. I mean, they could use something found much later on but at the same level, however when it's at level 50 it's 10x more powerful than your starter, making it a real challenge for you as it grows up, and you face the rival more.

Thats actually a good idé but however, I dont think it should necessarily be 10x stronger xD Maybe 5? ^^ I would also like to battle my rival alot more often, always fun to wipe their faces (if the rival is the ''I'm stronger than you cry baby''-guy, I'm thinking Gary etc)

Ho-Oh February 23rd, 2013 5:10 AM

Well 10x was just random :x But yeah certainly the whole I'm-better-than-you type rival would definitely be along those lines if there was to be a really strong opposing-the-starter Pokemon.

Platinum Lucario February 23rd, 2013 5:34 AM

Hm... wouldn't it be interesting to actually have a rival that actually acts friendly throughout the adventure and then at the end... it turns out that he is the leader of the evil team? That's something similar to Evice from Pokémon Colosseum.

But I feel it would bring that big surprise to everyone at the end, where you have to battle him to save the new region from destruction.

WishCookie February 23rd, 2013 5:58 AM

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Originally Posted by PokémonShinySilver (Post 7550717)
Hm... wouldn't it be interesting to actually have a rival that actually acts friendly throughout the adventure and then at the end... it turns out that he is the leader of the evil team? That's something similar to Evice from Pokémon Colosseum.

But I feel it would bring that big surprise to everyone at the end, where you have to battle him to save the new region from destruction.

Njaa, that seems like a good idéa but we have our rival in black 2/white 2 thats friendly but luckly who isn't the leader, but i think that it would be too predictable if the storyline contains your rival being in a rush 24/7.

Miss Doronjo February 23rd, 2013 6:38 AM

It should be way more awarding to fight and beat your rival, imo. Nowadays they are just, childhood friends from home. I'd like your rival to be like, a moral enemy this time! A rival that would side with evil or more anti-heroism~! That'd be cool!

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 23rd, 2013 7:03 AM

I'll like it if the rival were like Wally, looks fragile but later gets strong. If they do 2 rivals like in BW I'm hoping for that Dynamic, with the boy being the weak bodied one like Wally, and the girl being strong and a jerk like Blue.

Mujahid February 23rd, 2013 7:11 AM

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Originally Posted by PokémonShinySilver (Post 7550717)
Hm... wouldn't it be interesting to actually have a rival that actually acts friendly throughout the adventure and then at the end... it turns out that he is the leader of the evil team? That's something similar to Evice from Pokémon Colosseum.

But I feel it would bring that big surprise to everyone at the end, where you have to battle him to save the new region from destruction.

A 10/17 year old being the head of an Evil organisation ? That doesn't sound right. However, i would LOVE if they somehow do another Silver. I am tired of "childhood friend" rivals.

Mujahid February 23rd, 2013 7:31 AM

Yes, That's why i want them to do another Silver with some twists.

Mark Kamill February 23rd, 2013 7:43 AM

Wasn't N that though? A prominent figure that could be considered your league rival, until you find out he's really with TP. I don't think we need that again. Something I would really like is if your rival is really the recent league champion. He could be in the need for a fresh start to enlighten himself, and on his journey to his home town, perhaps your's even, he sees you playing with your new starter. This reminds him of his self a couple of years ago, and decides to play the role of your rival. An older, wiser mentor who doesn't hold back, and someone you eventually surpass. The twist would be while you do beat him many times, he always held back, until your true champion battle.

Guy February 23rd, 2013 8:58 AM

What if our rival was a significant member of the evil team and we knew it from the moment we met him? He could be the child of the team's leader kind of like Silver, but this time he fights believing in his parent(s)' goals. However, he's been so cut off from the world and kept under his parents' wings, that he doesn't realize that there's so much more out there that he doesn't know about the world, the people, and Pokémon. So when he meets us, he becomes intrigued by how persistent we are to stop him and his family. Which will all lead up to the point of him realizing that what his family and their evil organization are up to is wrong.

I, myself, have grown kind of weary of the childhood friend rival. I wouldn't mind it so much if we had a second rival that spiced things up a bit. Actually, I hope we have more than one rival in general.

Mujahid February 23rd, 2013 9:13 AM

I don't think i consider N as a rival. He's just a prominent character.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 23rd, 2013 10:11 AM

The only regions that didn't have childhood rivals were Johto and Hoenn (ironic as the main characters from those games came from Johto, remember May/Brandon didn't grow up in Hoenn). So it'll be kind of nice to see that again, especially with 3 (well 4 due to BW having 2) childhood friends as rivals in a row (not counting HgSs).

If we only get one rival whose sex isn't determined by your players than I hope it's a girl, I'm tired of all the male rivals (May and Bianca have been the only ones with the two going on to help the proffesor in research...)

WishCookie February 23rd, 2013 12:51 PM

What if our rival was girl again? I really enjoyed it during R/S/E ^_^

vaporeon7 February 23rd, 2013 2:22 PM

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Originally Posted by WishCookie (Post 7551199)
What if our rival was girl again? I really enjoyed it during R/S/E ^_^

You're rival was the opposite if the gender you played as, so if you played female, the rival was male.

I would like it if the rival was the opposite of your gender though.

Miss Doronjo February 23rd, 2013 3:30 PM

Or has many people have thought, maybe with the possible Genetics theme here, the rival can be a male or female depending on what game you play!

RandomDSdevel February 23rd, 2013 4:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7536433)
It took me quite a while to grasp all this(forgive me, as I'm quite tired lmao from waking up just now), but yeah, I love the royalty idea! It's a nice twist for something in the E4, at least it shakes up the monotony of what we've had the past five generations or so. That being said though, keep in mind that royalty consists of a lot of branches, much more so than your standard King/Queen/Prince/Princess and whatnot, yeah? We might have to fight some new people(why does Court Jester come to mind?), since royalty is divided into several ranks, yeah? :3

...I hope that didn't sound confusing. @[email protected]

Ah, The Court Jester…What? It's a hilarious movie!

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7538657)
Ok, I have to get it out of my system.

Why can't Sylveon pull a Tails(from Sonic), and just use it's ears to basically flap itself in the air??

This is probably the stupidest thing ever, but it has literally been on my mind since this Pokemon was released and speculation has been around concerning it's type. @[email protected];; That would be the only way I can picture it flying in any way whatsoever.

Actually, that's a Cream: she flaps her giant rabbit ears to fly in Season 2 of Sonic X, I think. Tails actually has tails.

Nothing Is Real February 23rd, 2013 4:45 PM

I'm almost certain that Sylveon is either a Normal type or Flying type (the other types wouldn't make much sense). The only thing that steers me away from Normal is that they seem to be making a big deal out of its type by not revealing it (listing it as ???) and if it were a Normal type I honestly think they would've just told us. I'm thinking pure Flying since it will only be the second pure Flying type to be introduced (and the first non-legendary one). God forbid them introducing a new type for it.

I wonder if Sylveon differs depending on its gender? The one we've seen is very feminine looking.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 23rd, 2013 6:09 PM

Maybe it's the first duel type eeveelution? I'm hoping it's pure flying as it'll make it the second (third if one counts Sky Arceus) pure flying which seems like a big deal. Hopefully we don't have two wait over a month to find out like with the Mascots...irc Reshiram ane Zekrom's type already leaked around this time. Maybe a Pokésmash member liked Dark, or Flying types...go on put it in your blog...
Hope they disclose them soon, cause if not then the new type people will be salivating as it'll seem like too much to withhold a already existing type/ type combo (even a new combo) for longer than 2-3 months.

antemortem February 23rd, 2013 7:13 PM

I'm trying to image Sylveon flapping its ribbons around to fly and nothing is non-outlandish enough for me to make believable mentally, aha. I imagine it might be something similar to how Sesshomaru from Inuyasha flies, in the fact Sylveon will kind of glide on the tails lowest on its body as they extend below/perhaps wrap around its feet or something like that. Not that that's any less outlandish...

Miss Doronjo February 23rd, 2013 7:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Antemortem (Post 7551775)
I'm trying to image Sylveon flapping its ribbons around to fly and nothing is non-outlandish enough for me to make believable mentally, aha. I imagine it might be something similar to how Sesshomaru from Inuyasha flies, in the fact Sylveon will kind of glide on the tails lowest on its body as they extend below/perhaps wrap around its feet or something like that. Not that that's any less outlandish...

Well some have said that those ribbons are made out of flesh.. @[email protected] So it can be possible! Someone also said it can fly like Tails from Sonic the Hedgehog!

Ho-Oh February 23rd, 2013 7:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Antemortem (Post 7551775)
I'm trying to image Sylveon flapping its ribbons around to fly and nothing is non-outlandish enough for me to make believable mentally, aha. I imagine it might be something similar to how Sesshomaru from Inuyasha flies, in the fact Sylveon will kind of glide on the tails lowest on its body as they extend below/perhaps wrap around its feet or something like that. Not that that's any less outlandish...

Honestly that's probably how they'll do it, because I can't see how else they'll make it fly around, and I'm pretty sure it's a flying type now, too.

vaporeon7 February 23rd, 2013 7:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Antemortem (Post 7551775)
I'm trying to image Sylveon flapping its ribbons around to fly and nothing is non-outlandish enough for me to make believable mentally, aha. I imagine it might be something similar to how Sesshomaru from Inuyasha flies, in the fact Sylveon will kind of glide on the tails lowest on its body as they extend below/perhaps wrap around its feet or something like that. Not that that's any less outlandish...

*imagines Sylveon's ribbons making it like a helicopter*

Xander Olivieri February 23rd, 2013 7:59 PM

http://25.media.tumblr.com/39fa3f80ee6bc83b149470928c3bde48/tumblr_mialrhW5jO1r1mrqeo1_500.gif

http://25.media.tumblr.com/a9a19a235ba1566f305e168be39a28f8/tumblr_mij3djiTxc1qjm056o1_500.png

Do either of these help with the picture? XD

Hikamaru February 23rd, 2013 8:02 PM

I guess you may be right Xander. I could definitely seeing Sylveon as a Flying-type.

Xander Olivieri February 23rd, 2013 8:07 PM

That wasn't why I posted those XD

The others above were trying to picture Sylveon flying and I found those the other day on Tumblr XD

Ho-Oh February 23rd, 2013 8:50 PM

Painful yes, but not overly unlikely when it comes to Pokemon. :(

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 23rd, 2013 8:50 PM

I think it'll be more like Sesshomaru than Tails. Or at least I hope so cause it'll seem weird imo if it were by flapping them like helicopter blades.

Guy February 24th, 2013 6:30 AM

It definitely doesn't seem to be as painful as the thought of Doduos spinning their necks like a helicopter trying to fly. Oh gosh...

On another note, not sure if anyone brought this up before but, it seems as though more rumors are floating around 4chan based on this article here, Pokémon X And Pokémon Y To Bring Significant Changes To Series? I'm almost 99.9% these are fake, but there are some pretty cool ideas in there. One of the interesting things that stuck out to me is the plot being heavily influence by past and present time travel and how the past affects the present and future. Also, there's some cool new "rumored" items and info on the new Legendary Pokémon.

For something that's likely fake, it's a good read.

Ho-Oh February 24th, 2013 7:38 AM

I don't want Jean and Jane so I'm just... simply dismissing them as fake, in a really hopeful way. :(

Miss Doronjo February 24th, 2013 7:51 AM

Well, I know it does sounds fake, but:

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The rival faction is Team Gear whose members wear purple bodysuits with black clock hands on them; they mess with events in the past that affect the present
I find that quite interesting speculation! I mean, Team Galactic was more involves with space, but this team is involved with time! I find that pretty cool; which could mean that the protagonist could travel through time as well~

Guy February 24th, 2013 7:54 AM

HeartGold and SoulSilver definitely didn't shy away from time travel with the events of Celebi and Giovanni, so I would find it extremely interesting if they incorporated such a thing as a major plotline in the games.

Miss Doronjo February 24th, 2013 8:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7552496)
If that's true, expect this to be my favorite Pokemon game ever. XD Time travel is such an amazing concept to add to the games, and I'd like to see what it would be like traveling to the past as well as the future! If one thing from that 4chan lean could come true, I'd prefer it to be that over anything else.

This is going to be easily my favorite pokemon game as well! I mean, there is just soooo much potential this game can bring! I do like the idea of time travel; would that mean that we can re-visit past events from each of the past gen games? Or maybe just "hints" of them?

Napsy February 24th, 2013 8:25 AM

I can't have been the only person to say this; but, What if Sylveon was a gender based pokemon with a 100% female ratio?
And they released a male counterpart?

Ho-Oh February 24th, 2013 8:28 AM

Well travelling to the past and future could make sense given that B/W were to do with the past and future, so heading back and forward does seem logical for the next games, but I do doubt the entire leak is true given that well, Jane... yeaaah.

Archeops12354 February 24th, 2013 8:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Napsy (Post 7552529)
I can't have been the only person to say this; but, What if Sylveon was a gender based pokemon with a 100% female ratio?
And they released a male counterpart?

Holy ****, you are smart!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7552496)
If that's true, expect this to be my favorite Pokemon game ever. XD Time travel is such an amazing concept to add to the games, and I'd like to see what it would be like traveling to the past as well as the future! If one thing from that 4chan lean could come true, I'd prefer it to be that over anything else.

Time travel would be great for the gen 6 storyline. A rare pokemon temporarily transports you and your rival sometime into the future, only to find that the region you live in is in ruins, completely overrun by the evil corporation (team rocket for example). You can walk around and talk to the civilians - find out what happened and why everything turned out like this. Maybe you could even defend the poor civilians from team rocket, in pokemon battles of course! After you defeat them they will be all like: "You remind me of that little brat 50 years ago" Or something like that.
Later on you get transported back to your own time, tell everyone the bad news, how everything will be overrun by team rocket. So on and so on.
This would be a plot to a great storyline!


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