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Xander Olivieri February 27th, 2013 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jake♫ (Post 7558099)
Honestly I'm not sure if it would be a new form though. I realize that you're combining two Pokémon similar to Kyurem-W and Kyurem-B, but it states that it's one original dragon. So what dragon would it be a form of, typing, etc? If it were just to be a new form then I'd agree that it wouldn't be added, but it's possible it could be considered an entirely different dragon.

It wouldn't be able to exist in the Pokedex either since it involves a fusion of Reshiram and Zekrom similar to how Kyurem does. If anything B Kyurem and W Kyurem are supposed to take that Dragon's place. Since it involves two Pokemon we already know, already have a method of possible form change, and know Stats can change with form changes. If its a new Pokemon, it wouldn't be associated with the old ones in the same way we know it to. It would have to exist without the two of them fusing and being taken out of the data for the team.

There are too many holes open now to continue with the complete closure to the Unova series games. If they wanted to include the Dragon they would have done so in B2W2, instead we got a fake Kyurem version.

That also boarders on Digimon Territory. While Kyurem opened that controversial can of worms, I don't see Game Freak following up further than that.

Gen 6 is going to focus around Yveltal and Xerneas and who ever if anyone they decide to tag along with those two. Those three will be tied into the Genetics theme unless the Legends don't play an important role with the story like Gens 1 and 2. They hardly ever focus on past legends outside of added relations, but that would still mean that the Original Dragon would have to be treated as a separate being allowing you to collect all of the dragons in one party (which is not possible in Generation 5 as they locked it so that Kyurem forms cannot be traded and you cannot get more than one Kyurem form in one game through use of the Key Item. A small issue that may if not should carry into Gen 6 meaning you still cannot fuse all three Dragons into 1 Dragon using Kyurem's Key Item.)

Jake♫ February 27th, 2013 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7558115)
It wouldn't be able to exist in the Pokedex either since it involves a fusion of Reshiram and Zekrom similar to how Kyurem does. If anything B Kyurem and W Kyurem are supposed to take that Dragon's place. Since it involves two Pokemon we already know, already have a method of possible form change, and know Stats can change with form changes. If its a new Pokemon, it wouldn't be associated with the old ones in the same way we know it to. It would have to exist without the two of them fusing and being taken out of the data for the team.

There are too many holes open now to continue with the complete closure to the Unova series games. If they wanted to include the Dragon they would have done so in B2W2, instead we got a fake Kyurem version.

That also boarders on Digimon Territory. While Kyurem opened that controversial can of worms, I don't see Game Freak following up further than that.

Gen 6 is going to focus around Yveltal and Xerneas and who ever if anyone they decide to tag along with those two. Those three will be tied into the Genetics theme unless the Legends don't play an important role with the story like Gens 1 and 2. They hardly ever focus on past legends outside of added relations, but that would still mean that the Original Dragon would have to be treated as a separate being allowing you to collect all of the dragons in one party (which is not possible in Generation 5 as they locked it so that Kyurem forms cannot be traded and you cannot get more than one Kyurem form in one game through use of the Key Item. A small issue that may if not should carry into Gen 6 meaning you still cannot fuse all three Dragons into 1 Dragon using Kyurem's Key Item.)

That'll do it. Part of the flaw with my logic probably has to do with my lack of interest in B2/W2, so how Black and White Kyurem actually functioned wasn't perfectly known for me! However I agree with you in general that Gen 6 shouldn't focus on previous legends, and more than likely won't.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 27th, 2013 10:36 PM

They could always make a second fusion device to allow for all three to fuse into a whole new pokemon. It can be the master of the Tao trio (though by fusion) so it could be like the Lugia/Regigigas of the generation, even generations due tend to introduce masters to trios, since the Muskeeter's have Cobalion, and the Kami have an internal master like the Weather trio that would leave the Tao trio as the only available option, unless Kyurem was the master, which I guess is possible.

Xander Olivieri February 27th, 2013 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7558137)
They could always make a second fusion device to allow for all three to fuse into a whole new pokemon. It can be the master of the Tao trio (though by fusion) so it could be like the Lugia/Regigigas of the generation, even generations due tend to introduce masters to trios, since the Muskeeter's have Cobalion, and the Kami have an internal master like the Weather trio that would leave the Tao trio as the only available option, unless Kyurem was the master, which I guess is possible.

It can't be a Master of them if it is them. It wouldn't be anything like Lugia/Regigigas' relationship as the Pokemon its supposed to govern would not exist while it itself exists, minus the possibility of Kyurem. Creating a Second Fusion device would interrupt the older one, meaning if you activate one, you can't get the other unless Kyurem isn't involved, even still its possible they'll code it so that you can't have a Kyurem Form AND a Reshiram/Zekrom fusion.

All that a side, Unova is over, they serve no point in bringing it back up when Unova plays little to no part in the new games. Since the Dragon originates in Unova, and Unova isn't the main area, they wouldn't have any reason to add it in. If they were going to add it in it would have been done during the B2W2 games. Or they would have released a third game set before X and Y.

The Original Dragon doesn't exist anymore and Kyurem's Forms are the supposed replacements even though both are artificial halves to it.

Platinum Lucario February 28th, 2013 5:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 7557844)
Yet another rumor from 4chan has popped up, and this one contradicts Mr. XY's info. Here's the original texture:

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ジムリーダー:
>イチョウ - シルクバッジ (むし)
>ナズナ - テラコッタバッジ (じめん)
>キサゲ - フォーカスバッジ (エスパー)
>サンザ - ハザードバッジ (どく)
>タラゴン - ワイバーンバッジ (ドラゴン)
>レイシ - レムナントバッジ (ゴースト)
>キンマ - プラチナバッジ (はがね)
>コットン - カオスバッジ (あく)

四天王とチャンピオン:
>クモツ (ひこう)
>ガンピ (いわ)
>サイカチ (でんき)
>スミレ (くさ)
>フユガキ (ほのお・こおり)

伝説のポケモン:
>ボルズニル (はがね・ひこう)
>ウィルメグ (ドラゴン・どく)
>ゼルネアス (エスパー・じめん)
>イベルタル (かくとう・ひこう)
>ゼドラシル (ゴースト・くさ)
>ロゼタノン (いわ・エスパー)
>トタイルム (ドラゴン)、イッシュ地方の伝説のオリジナルドラゴン (レシラム+ゼクロム+キュレム)
>ゲノセクトのニューフォルム 「プロトフォルム」 (むし・いわ)、 専用技: 「メガロキャノン」


And here's the translation:

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Gym Leader:
> Ginkgo - silk badge (insect)
> Nazuna Terracotta - Badge (ground)
> Scraping - Focus Badge (Esper)
> Thousand - Hazard Badge (Germany)
> Tarragon - Wyvern Badge (Dragon)
> Litchi - Remnant Badge (ghost)
> Betel - Platinum Badge (Steel)
> Cotton - Chaos Badge (evil)

Devas and champion:
> Kumotsu (Let's draw)
> Ganpi (rock)
> Saikachi (electricity)
> Violet (the phrase)
> Fuyugaki (ice, fire)

Legendary Pokemon:
> Boruzuniru (Let's pull-steel)
> U~irumegu (Germany Dragon)
> Zeruneasu (ground Esper)
> Iberutaru (Let's pull-Kakuto)
> Zedorashiru (is lightly Ghost)
> Rozetanon (Esper-rock)
> Original Dragon legendary Totairumu (Dragon), a kind of local (Reshiramu + + Kyuremu Zekuromu)
> New Form "Proto-Form" of Genosekuto (rock-insect), a dedicated technique: "Megalo Cannon"


As a bonus, the rumor also included the starter evolutions:

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starter = 御三家、はい? 求めよ然らば与えられん。

>ハリマロン -> ハリマロー -> ハリヤヅツ (くさ・かくとう)
>フォッコ -> フォクスナ -> キツナハラ (ほのお・じめん)
>ケロマツ -> エケロケロ -> ライエルン (みず・でんき)


Translation:
Spoiler:
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>Harimaron -> Harimaroo -> Hariyazutsu (Grass/Fighting)
>Fokko -> Fokusunara -> Kitsunahara (Fire/Ground)
>Keroman -> Ekerokero -> Raierun (Water/Electric)


This is perhaps the most believable rumor I've ever read, but the inclusion of Genesect's new forme and the original dragon makes it sound suspicious, although they did create Regigigas, who was the golem trio's ring leader depsite the trio being 3rd gen Pokemon.

Again... I'm not going to believe anything that comes from 4chan, no matter how believable it looks.

'Cause looks are deceiving~

OK, let me take a look at this, hm... a new Genesect forme sounds very unlikely, but a new Pokémon where Genesect was cloned from sounds more of a possibility than a new forme. Like how Mewtwo was cloned from Mew.

Starter evolutions?! Way too early! It isn't even June yet, we still have a long time to go. This proves that it's false. xD

And the new Pokémon mentioned sounds false 'cause of the poor Japanese writing, most likely translated from English into Japanese to make it sound like it's Japanese, and those type of people on 4chan are like "Hey look everyone! I work for Game Freak and I've got new Pokémon information the starters evolutions." xD

And then those type of people on 4chan become the spotlight of attention.

Pinkie-Dawn February 28th, 2013 7:16 AM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7558115)
There are too many holes open now to continue with the complete closure to the Unova series games. If they wanted to include the Dragon they would have done so in B2W2, instead we got a fake Kyurem version.

But Ghetsis got away in the end, which means Unova still hasn't given a proper closure until he's finished with his schemes, just like how they gave Giovanni a proper closure after you defeated him in the Celebi event from HG/SS. So perhaps the Original Dragon's inclusion from that rumor may have to do with his return post-game.

Mujahid February 28th, 2013 8:15 AM

What's with 4chan rumours. I don't remember So many of them in the past ? A Sudden interest in Pokemon ?
On Topic, that's another fake. There is no way someone would have That much info.

Esper February 28th, 2013 11:11 AM

That translation needs a little polishing.

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Gym Leader:
> Ichou - Silk Badge (Bug)
> Nazuna Terracotta Badge (Ground)
> Kisage - Focus Badge (Psychic)
> Sanza - Hazard Badge (Poison)
> Taragon - Wyvern Badge (Dragon)
> Reishi - Remnant Badge (Ghost)
> Kinma - Platinum Badge (Steel)
> Kotton - Chaos Badge (Dark)

Elite Four and Champion:
> Kumotsu (Flying)
> Ganpi (Rock)
> Saikachi (Electric)
> Sumire (Grass)
> Fuyugaki (Fire, Ice)

Legendary Pokemon:
> Boruzuniru (Steel/Flying)
> Virumegu (Dragon/Poison)
> Zeruneasu (Psychic/Ground)
> Iberutaru (Fighting/Flying)
> Zedorashiru (Ghost/Grass)
> Rozetanon (Rock/Psychic)
> Original Dragon legendary Totairumu (Dragon), Unova's legendary original dragon (Reshiram + Zekrom, + Kyurem)
> New Form of Genesect "Proto Form" (Bug/Rock), Signature move: "Megalo Cannon"


>Harimaron -> Harimarou -> Hariyazutsu (Grass/Fighting)
>Fokko -> Fokusuna -> Kitsunahara (Fire/Ground)
>Keromatsu -> Ekerokero -> Raierun (Water/Electric)
The Japanese looks plausible to me. The character names all seem to have the expected associations with their types (Ichou has 'chou' in it, which means butterfly, etc.) and seem to be the names of plants, though I'd have to do a bit of checking on all of them to be more certain.

The Pokemon names also seem plausible enough. If it's fake, it's not a bad fake. I'd say that this was certainly made by someone with at least a decent understanding of Japanese if not someone actually Japanese.

Sean February 28th, 2013 12:04 PM

I can't tell the gender whatsoever with those rumour names.

Although, this game I want a female champion for once again, Cynthia was pretty awesome.

Xander Olivieri February 28th, 2013 3:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 7558485)
But Ghetsis got away in the end, which means Unova still hasn't given a proper closure until he's finished with his schemes, just like how they gave Giovanni a proper closure after you defeated him in the Celebi event from HG/SS. So perhaps the Original Dragon's inclusion from that rumor may have to do with his return post-game.

All of the bad guys get away without proper closure. None of them have ever been captured and the Giovanni thing doesn't happen in the original games and is a side story that isn't considered Canon since you need to participate in an event to activate it.

As far as the games are concerned though, all of them have been closed when the bad guys were thwarted.

vaporeon7 February 28th, 2013 4:36 PM

I hope the include a dark gym. I'll be annoyed if they don't.

Chesu February 28th, 2013 5:04 PM

I don't see why all of the fanart of Froakie evolutions have some kind of mustache.
Froakie doesn't have a mustache, it has spectacles made of bubbles!
It also has hair and a cravat made of bubbles. In fact...

http://poke-amph.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/froakie-291x300.jpghttp://www.personal.psu.edu/jun3/blogs/pa_center_for_the_book_workshop/ben_franklin2.jpg


C'mon, I can't be the only one who sees this!

Golurks Were Meant to Fly February 28th, 2013 5:17 PM

I agree with you Chesu, when I saw Froakie I instantly thought of a 1700's librarian or composer or something. Although I have no clue how Gamefreak would be able to continue the glasses theme for the evolutions without it staying pretty much the same. (so that's why I'm guessing it's a mustache)

If they are spectacles, the evolutions will be REALLY interesting!

Pinkie-Dawn February 28th, 2013 5:36 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7559012)
All of the bad guys get away without proper closure. None of them have ever been captured and the Giovanni thing doesn't happen in the original games and is a side story that isn't considered Canon since you need to participate in an event to activate it.

As far as the games are concerned though, all of them have been closed when the bad guys were thwarted.

Wouldn't the original games be marked as non-canon because of the remakes?

Also, Maxie and Archie gave up their evil deeds after you stopped Kyogre and Groudon and become part of the good guys, and Cyrus is forever trapped in the distortion world with no way to escape to the real world (a fitting end for pretty much any villain who is that insane). Ghetsis, on the other hand, got away with everything because of the Shadow Triad, which caused speculations for BW3 (from BMGF that is). I've seen some people wanting him return, so he could get the proper punishment he deserved.

Quote:

I agree with you Chesu, when I saw Froakie I instantly thought of a 1700's librarian or composer or something. Although I have no clue how Gamefreak would be able to continue the glasses theme for the evolutions without it staying pretty much the same. (so that's why I'm guessing it's a mustache)

If they are spectacles, the evolutions will be REALLY interesting!
Well according to thr Japanese rumor regrding Froakie's Water/Electric typing, he's suppose to be based off of Benjamin Franklin.

Xander Olivieri February 28th, 2013 6:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 7559170)
Wouldn't the original games be marked as non-canon because of the remakes?

Also, Maxie and Archie gave up their evil deeds after you stopped Kyogre and Groudon and become part of the good guys, and Cyrus is forever trapped in the distortion world with no way to escape to the real world (a fitting end for pretty much any villain who is that insane). Ghetsis, on the other hand, got away with everything because of the Shadow Triad, which caused speculations for BW3 (from BMGF that is). I've seen some people wanting him return, so he could get the proper punishment he deserved.

No Remakes would be Non-Canon/Alternate reality as they usually change some aspects to contradict
originals. Original versions are always Canon and trump any remakes seeing as they are the original story.

Archie and Maxie: They acknowledge that what they did was wrong and "Say" they are turning themselves in, but there is no proof that they do. Its just suspected that they went to jail. There is no proof that Cyrus was left in the Distortion World in Platinum, he also was not in the Distortion world in the original set of games so according to the originals for Gen 4, Cyrus is still at large. Ghetsis gave up when Kyurem was defeated and was forced to run away by the Shadow Triad after he himself lost.


A few quotes of Maxie and Archie when they release their Super Ancient Pokemon.

Archie in Ruby:
"Do you understand now, Maxie? Do you finally see how disastrous your dream turned out to be? We have to hurry! We have to do something before the situation goes completely out of control! <player>... We, Team Aqua, had been pursuing Team Magma to prevent this from happening. You've been very helpful, but I fear the worst has happened... It's gone too far for a child like you to manage... Leave things to us, and get out of here while you still can! This defies belief... A super-ancient Pokémon... Its power is unbelievable. It has upset the balance of nature..."

Plays the good guy role and tries to make Maxie see the error of his ways and goes off to try to stop what happened. Nothing is shown of his afterwards, though in Ruby Team Aqua were Anti-Heros as they were bad guys fighting to thwarts the evil deeds that threatened the balance already there through their own means which usually broke the law.

Archie in Sapphire:
"What happened... What is this wretched scene... Did I... make a horrible mistake? I... I only wanted..."

Emotional break down after seeing Kyogre lose control. Nothing after that.

Archie in Emerald:
"Kyogre and Groudon both flew off to who knows where. The weather in Hoenn has returned to its normal state... Haha... Hahaha... Maybe what we were trying to do was something small, even meaningless, to Pokémon..."

Realized that what he was doing seemed meaningless. Doesn't say that they'd stop or that they'd give up.


Maxie uses the same lines up to Emerald:
"So the super-ancient Pokémon weren't only Groudon and Kyogre... After all our frantic scheming and fruitless efforts, that one Pokémon's simple action puts everything right again as if nothing had happened... Fu... Fuhahaha..."

He's talking about how Rayquaza undid all their work.


Either way neither of them apparently turned themselves in like I thought. Maxie can still be found on Mt. Pyre and all he says is the players name. They disband like all evil teams do, but both are still at large.

Cyrus from Pearl/Diamond:
"What is truly ultimate to you? What do you consider perfection? The most important thing... What shines the brightest... Telling you is meaningless. But I will not give up. I will become a deity one day... And I will make the ultimate mine..."

He didn't give up and disappears with Mars and them. Still hell bent on creating his perfect world.

In Platinum:
"Silence! Enough of your blathering! That's how you justify spirit as something worthwhile?! That is merely humans hoping, deluding themselves that they are happy and safe! The emotions roiling inside me... Rage, hatred, frustration... These ugly emotions arise because of my own incomplete spirit! ...Enough. We will never see eye to eye. This, I promise you. I will break the secrets of the world. With that knowledge, I will create my own complete and perfect world. One day, you will awaken to a world of my creation. A world without spirit."

Again he continues with his attempt to recreate the world. Doesn't really say he was trapped in the distortion world, especially since he leaves the area before Cynthia comes back to take you home. Cyrus could have easily left before you or found another way out like the ruins where you find Giratina in D/P.


Giovanni's based on HG/SS shows that he had every intention of recreating Team Rocket. When the player foils him, he throws a fit of rage before leaving. While he may have gone off to train more, very little is said about what he planned for the future. He didn't take the defeat very well though. Similar to Ghetsis' rage at being beaten by children twice. The possibility of Cyrus, Ghetsis, and Giovanni still being obsessed with their respective teams is very high. Maxie and Archie, as stated before in the Remake thread, can find alternate reasons for starting their plans back up with more secure means of controlling the super ancient legends.

Since none of the leaders were effectively arrested, they are still free to roam around and build bigger and better plans for world conquest.

All of them were still left open with unanswered questions, and at the same time the effective stories were closed upon climax for each respective games.

Kinda wouldn't be too surprised in two of the hell bent ones make a return with the new bad guys in X and Y. Seems perfect for Ghetsis and Giovanni since both of them dealt in genetic manipulation of specific legendaries. Cyrus wouldn't fit as well, but there is always the chance that he can recreate a new world using the new legends. Though I personally doubt any of them will make a come back, the thought is still there.




Water/Electric Froakie..........Interesting, though he'll most undoubtedly lose the Benjamin look in his second stage. Still personally hope for Water/Flying.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 28th, 2013 6:43 PM

I can see Cyrus, Giovanni (wait since the originals are the canon ones it would mean he gave up...or simply vanished forever), and Ghetsis returning but not Archie and Maxie. Specially considering Galactic, and Rocket were mentioned by Plasma but not Aqua and Magma. Also the best proof they did give up is that they returned the stolen orb (in RS), they could've kept it, and simply have said sorry, bye.

Anyways I think it'll be best if we had another original team rather than a league of past villains, as Ghetsis returning would make it seem like the orignal dragon should appear (as his presence could symbolize them completion of Unova's legend which Plasma always aimmed after) and if it didn't but he did it'll seem odd tbh.

vaporeon7 February 28th, 2013 7:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Chesu (Post 7559128)
I don't see why all of the fanart of Froakie evolutions have some kind of mustache.
Froakie doesn't have a mustache, it has spectacles made of bubbles!
It also has hair and a cravat made of bubbles. In fact...

http://poke-amph.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/froakie-291x300.jpghttp://www.personal.psu.edu/jun3/blogs/pa_center_for_the_book_workshop/ben_franklin2.jpg


C'mon, I can't be the only one who sees this!

I sort of agree with you and sort of don't. I think the beard looking thing might have something to do with it.

Chesu February 28th, 2013 7:49 PM

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Originally Posted by vaporeon7 (Post 7559322)
I sort of agree with you and sort of don't. I think the beard looking thing might have something to do with it.

It's a cravat... A cravat!

vaporeon7 February 28th, 2013 8:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Chesu (Post 7559367)
It's a cravat... A cravat!

Sorry I couldn't help but think.
http://images.smh.com.au/2009/05/18/523375/article200_matt_preston-200x0.jpg

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 28th, 2013 8:22 PM

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Originally Posted by vaporeon7 (Post 7559322)
I sort of agree with you and sort of don't. I think the beard looking thing might have something to do with it.

Some trivia here on Benjamin, he loved Paris, and was Us Ambassador to France.

Chespin makes me think of a royal with it's grass like crown (I see it as a crown).

porkiewpyne February 28th, 2013 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by vaporeon7 (Post 7559380)

As he once said, "This is DISGUSTING....

Disgustingly GOOD!" LOL

Ho-Oh March 1st, 2013 3:05 AM

I... don't think he really looks like Froakie. :x I mean I get the whole old guy or girl with glasses but him? Other than the wrinkles I don't find much similar lmao.

vaporeon7 March 1st, 2013 3:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7559618)
I... don't think he really looks like Froakie. :x I mean I get the whole old guy or girl with glasses but him? Other than the wrinkles I don't find much similar lmao.

Two things Nica.
1. That's Matt Preston
2. I was just talking about the cravat idea.

Ho-Oh March 1st, 2013 4:10 AM

Ya I knew him D<

But I get that part, sorry I was back on the glasses. XD; Maybe Froakie was a politician/judge in a past life because it also looks like that. :x

Guy March 1st, 2013 4:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Chesu (Post 7559128)
I don't see why all of the fanart of Froakie evolutions have some kind of mustache.
Froakie doesn't have a mustache, it has spectacles made of bubbles!
It also has hair and a cravat made of bubbles. In fact...

http://poke-amph.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/froakie-291x300.jpghttp://www.personal.psu.edu/jun3/blogs/pa_center_for_the_book_workshop/ben_franklin2.jpg


C'mon, I can't be the only one who sees this!

I hate you, because now I can't unsee it. D:

Miss Doronjo March 1st, 2013 4:21 AM

The resemblence is quite fascinating, actually. @[email protected]

Who would've thought that the 'nose' was based on glasses... :x

vaporeon7 March 1st, 2013 4:43 AM

Well if Froakie has something to do with Benjamin Franklin, it could become part electric type. After all Empoleon was sort of like Napoleon.

Miss Doronjo March 1st, 2013 8:55 AM

I.. have a mini topic if you guys don't mind; do you have any plans for your in-game team? I mean, starter wise, type wise, and any other aspects? Like, say, do you plan on only using pokemon from this generation, or would you use pokemon from the past generations?

I plan on only use pokemon from this generation, but, I'd still like to use some of my favorites from the past generations of pokemon! That is, assuming that they will have past pokemon.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 1st, 2013 9:01 AM

It's confirmed they'll have older Pokémon return (see trailer). I plan to use a mix, in Unova I had to use all old Pokémon and found myself wanting a classical Pokémon at times.

Miss Doronjo March 1st, 2013 9:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7559852)
It's confirmed they'll have older Pokémon return (see trailer). I plan to use a mix, in Unova I had to use all old Pokémon and found myself wanting a classical Pokémon at times.

Technically it's not. They could of just used past generation of pokemon for the purposes of th game play trailer. But, maybe they will.

I think I'll use about 1 or 2 pokemon from the past gen. if they have them, but, I guess it depends on the new pokemon revealed.

Astinus March 1st, 2013 10:16 AM

For my first playthrough, I'm mostly going to use the newer Pokemon, since it's a new generation and all. Though I will use an older Pokemon if there's one that I really want to use and it's available. Starters and types depend on information that hasn't been revealed yet, like what the starters will evolve into and what the type distribution is.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 1st, 2013 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Miss Doronjo (Post 7559855)
Technically it's not. They could of just used past generation of pokemon for the purposes of th game play trailer. But, maybe they will.

I think I'll use about 1 or 2 pokemon from the past gen. if they have them, but, I guess it depends on the new pokemon revealed.

That's possible, however we also know that Eevee will be here and likely the other eeveelutions since Sylveon is here (unless they do it post game, and leave it out of the dex like in DP).

vaporeon7 March 1st, 2013 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7559977)
That's possible, however we also know that Eevee will be here and likely the other eeveelutions since Sylveon is here (unless they do it post game, and leave it out of the dex like in DP).

That was really annoying and I hope then don't do it again. You should be able to use all the new Pokémon on your in-game team.

blue March 1st, 2013 12:29 PM

I doubt Sylveon will be a post-dex Pokemon, this is a new Pokemon introduced in Gen VI therefore it only makes sense to include it into the regional dex along with the other Eeveelutions.

Xander Olivieri March 1st, 2013 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7560018)
I doubt Sylveon will be a post-dex Pokemon, this is a new Pokemon introduced in Gen VI therefore it only makes sense to include it into the regional dex along with the other Eeveelutions.

Gen 4 did that. The very bottom of the Pokedex where its pretty much all evolutions to older Pokemon...none of them were in the regional Pokedex until Platinum meaning for the beginning of Generation 4, there were Sinnoh Pokemon that could not be attained until you beaten the game.

Everything on this list wasn't in Diamond and Pearl. And there are a lot of evolutions on that list.

Its a possibility that they do that again, there's the possibility that they won't.

Guy March 1st, 2013 12:57 PM

I really hope they don't do that again like in Diamond and Pearl. I like to think that making Platinum was their way of saying, "Wow you guys, that was really dumb. Let's never do that again." All new Pokémon, excluding some legendaries saved for post-game, should be made available in the Regional Dex in my opinion.

vaporeon7 March 1st, 2013 3:26 PM

I agree. I think it would be irritating not to be able to use certain new Pokémon in your playthough without trading, which would (with help from another person), make using said Pokémon in your first playthough impossible.

Miss Doronjo March 1st, 2013 3:30 PM

Yeah I agree.. would you guys trade for past-gen pokemon in these games?
I probably wouldn't, seeing as though it'd be too much of a hassle just to use a favourite of mine, imo. @[email protected]

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 1st, 2013 3:52 PM

Well at first no (considering we'll be getting a WWR most people proably won't be done until two days at the least so it'll be difficult to get any from our old games), but later on yeah (proably post game) for older Pokémon not in the dex.

I hope trading is made less of a hassle this time, Gen 5 took a step in the right direction by allowing us to trade Pokémon within our pc thus we didn't need to constantly withdraw when doing big scale trades.

Hikamaru March 1st, 2013 6:43 PM

I usually trade a lot so I can obtain version exclusives. One of the two versions I'm playing is my "main version" and I catch any version exclusives from the other version for trading over so I can get them in my Pokedex. I sometimes even do resets on the other game so I can trade over the two starters I didn't choose. I always had to trade Snivy and Tepig over to my 5th Gen games since Oshawott is the only starter I use in a serious playthrough (he is my mascot, duh!).

I secretly store my brother's old DS Lite that I use specifically for trading Pokemon. As for trading a Pokemon I want that's not in the regional dex? Nope, even though I do like my signature Oshawott I do love all the new starters anyway, they are just so cute! (And nope, Froakie is not ugly)

Also, I am hoping a transfer-from-previous-gen feature is implemented again.

Jake♫ March 1st, 2013 9:57 PM

If anything I'd love for there to be in-game trades along the way to support some of the older Pokémon to come into this region, but if that doesn't happen some sort of Pal Park or other transfer method would be awesome.

Miss Doronjo March 1st, 2013 10:03 PM

Hm, I can see that in-game trading for past gen pokemon would happen more in the post game than in the main game plot, but, yeah, it'd be nice to see! I just hope that the transfer system won't be like BW/B2W2's, tbh. I mean, I really didn't think that minigame was necessary. =(

Hikamaru March 2nd, 2013 1:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Miss Doronjo (Post 7560756)
Hm, I can see that in-game trading for past gen pokemon would happen more in the post game than in the main game plot, but, yeah, it'd be nice to see! I just hope that the transfer system won't be like BW/B2W2's, tbh. I mean, I really didn't think that minigame was necessary. =(

Yeah, I was sorta disappointed by that minigame in 5th Gen's Poke Transfer. I want something more like 4th Gen's Pal Park, which has no need for an annoying minigame.

As for in-game trades, I'd like to see some more useful ones. I don't want crappy ones like D/P/Pt's. I do want some easy Pokemon requisites like in 5th Gen.

Ho-Oh March 2nd, 2013 6:33 AM

Yes I hated PokeTransfer at first too :( I got used to it after a while but I'd like to avoid it - I just want a really simple way!

Squirrel March 2nd, 2013 8:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7561219)
Do you guys think that this generation would make it possible to trade more than one Pokemon at once? I'm not a huge trader by any means, but I think it would be really useful for those who are. It'd save a whole bunch of time/effort. x_x

I would absolutely love this feature to be put in place. With the ability to offer up three Pokémon at a time in Gen V I was expecting big things from the new trading system, but after noticing you could only trade one at a time it was a huge let down. It'd be great for offering some much more interesting/worth while trades and just generally for swapping Pokémon between games. I'd love to see this feature!

Miss Doronjo March 2nd, 2013 11:09 AM

Yeah, BW kid of trolled us with that trading shenanigan. @[email protected] I really hope X&Y will at least let us trade 3 pokemon at once, at least. Or you know, if they won't implement that, at least a faster way to trade pokemon in general. I mean, at least a way to skip over that whole trading cutscene.

Jake♫ March 2nd, 2013 8:22 PM

If they could finally implement trading more than one Pokémon at once it'd be great, as it's so tedious as it is right now, especially since trades take forever to complete =/

Aslan March 2nd, 2013 9:53 PM

Hmm it is an interesting point you've brought up, I can only take a stab in the dark and say that they'd be fighting over perhaps some glorious item that could make a perfect duplicate of themselves with the same DNA, appearance, everything? It sounds a little silly I must admit, but anything could be possible. I honestly don't know what else relating to genetics they'd be fighting over, but I'm taking a guess it might have something to do with wanting to create multiple versions of themselves from extracts of DNA for whatever reason. Anyone else have any thoughts? :D

Scarecr0wFixatioN March 2nd, 2013 10:09 PM

I'm thinking that the possible genetics theme will only relate to the villainous team(s) and new game mechanics, and the two legendary's will be feuding over something like. . . I'm thinking it'll be similar to when Groudon controlled the land, and Kyogre the seas. Maybe Xerneas will connect to the land and forests and such while Yveltal takes the sky, then the inevitable Z legendary will be in the depths or something.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 2nd, 2013 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7562452)
Though I'd share an interesting new topic as well:

Throughout the generations, we've seen legendary Pokemon fight for many reasons. Mew and Mewtwo from Gen I, Kyogre and Groudon in Gen III, Palkia and Dialga as well as Giratina in Gen IV, and finally, Reshiram and Zekrom in Gen V. These were all according to their respective genres: weather, space-time, Ying/Yang. With this generation heavily speculated to be about genetics(with some pretty strong evidence behind it), what do you think would be the main cause of conflict between Yveltal and Xerneas? I'm just finding a hard-time finding out what legendary Pokemon could fight about regarding genetics, unless there's something I'm missing here.

Uh most of those examples are from the anime, thus far only Groudon-Kyogre, and Reshiram-Zekrom have fought in game and the second was more due to their trainers (N and the player) than their own will. However seeing another rivalry between legends would be nice... maybe they're fighting to see who is superior (survival of the fittess?)

Jake♫ March 2nd, 2013 10:30 PM

If it's a genetics theme (which I'm all for), it kinda seems similar to the Mew/Mewtwo fight for who is superior from the first movie. Of course, this technically hasn't happened in game yet so I guess it's still a viable concept. Otherwise I have no idea how they would include a rivalry like that, but I'm definitely all for it!

Aslan March 2nd, 2013 10:34 PM

Hmm I suppose it is sort of like Mew and Mewtwo. Generally I have no idea how genetics could come into play, but I'm guessing it's something along the lines of what Jake said :3, to see who is superior and the champion between them.

Sabrewulf238 March 3rd, 2013 4:47 AM

I think it would be boring if the legendaries were just fighting to see who was superior. It just seems lame and childish. If they're going to fight it should be for a better reason.

I don't want them to fight, I'd rather they were more like Ho-oh and Lugia.

Miss Doronjo March 3rd, 2013 5:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7562452)
Though I'd share an interesting new topic as well:

Throughout the generations, we've seen legendary Pokemon fight for many reasons. Mew and Mewtwo from Gen I, Kyogre and Groudon in Gen III, Palkia and Dialga as well as Giratina in Gen IV, and finally, Reshiram and Zekrom in Gen V. These were all according to their respective genres: weather, space-time, Ying/Yang. With this generation heavily speculated to be about genetics(with some pretty strong evidence behind it), what do you think would be the main cause of conflict between Yveltal and Xerneas? I'm just finding a hard-time finding out what legendary Pokemon could fight about regarding genetics, unless there's something I'm missing here.

Hm, well, in another thread I made, I talked about the possibility of good and evil. Well, eh, bare with me, just to bounce some ideas, but take a look at a theory that I've seen that people are making about Xerneas & Yveltal. Could they represent good and evil? If you've looked at a previous thread I made, Scientific Waves, it talks about how there maaaay be possibilities that Xerneas can represent light. Yuveltal may represent darkness, and the whole light vs darkness can be portrayed as symbols; Xerneas can represent light, which can represent Purity, Order, Safety, Righteousness and possibly Dictatorship, while Yveltal, can represent darkness, which is represented by Uncertainty, Tragedy, Freedom, Alienation, and Blindness.

Well, of course, the problem with this is it's understandable that pokemon can't be 'truly' evil, but only simply follow the commands of their trainers - who can be good or bad trainers, depending on what decision making they do. However, what if the world in pokemon can manifest a willpower that would not appeal to ethical tastes?

Of course, since gen 3 all box starters have been rivals somehow, continents (embodied by a red and black scary pokemon) vs oceans, time vs space, truth vs ideals. But it's only been like that since 3rd gen, what if, for instance, Xerneas were the protector of the land or whatever, got captured by evil team Baguette, then FORCED to do whatever evil shenanigans they have in mind in order to take all the cheese in the region for themselves (Just trying to be funny here, I'm sure you know what i'm talking about) and we have to ask for the help of Yveltal in order to rescue it? Fight against Mind Controled Xerneas using Yveltal (without having catched it) and beating the unwilling to do harm mind controlled Xerneas because of "the bond we build fighting alongside pokemon as friends" then the one we're supposed to catch giving us some key item in order to go to X place in the game, use it, then capture said legendary?

Also in another flow of ideas, what if there is not a single sequel but two like BW2?, I didn't follow pokemon BW speculation thread, since I was very busy at the time and didn't have time for pokemon, but I think I could bet that every single person said sequel to BW would be Grey, so how about not Pokemon Z but two sequels, maybe one giving Xerneas a flying form and the other giving Yveltal a ground form, made by some evil Team Baguette scientist in order to break balance in the world and we have to seek Whatever third legendary they place in here in order to reverse said changes?

Eh... yeah, this is a stretch but a man can dream.*sigh*.

Relith March 3rd, 2013 6:55 AM

My theory for why the next legendaries will fight:

One team (X) creates a pokemon to take over the region, while another team (Y) does the same and they collide with their modified powers in which the player will have to interfere and stop the madness.

Xander Olivieri March 3rd, 2013 7:12 AM

I'm hoping the Legends don't play a huge role in the new games. I want them to be like Lugia and Ho-oh in Gen 2. I really don't want another Kyogre/Groudon relationship where they fight against each other, Dialga/Palkia where they are targeted to create a new world, or Reshiram/Zekrom where each represented two sides to a coin where only one can be the true winner.

I'd want a less in your face role, like, there's a disturbence that awakens them and they start looking around. Sure you'd have to fight them, either more than once which would be nice, forced reoccuring boss fight up to climax where they try to stop what evil stirred them only to fail on their own, then you have the choice of trying to catch it yourself or ignore it. Like catching it is its own subquest (like Rayquaza in R/S)

Ho-Oh March 3rd, 2013 7:28 AM

When you see the legendaries and consider the title art then I think there's a pretty high chance they will have some kind of major role in the games :x

Xander Olivieri March 3rd, 2013 7:39 AM

Lugia and Ho-oh didn't play any major part in the games. They had more of a role in the remakes with the Kimono girls addition, but it still wasn't a major role. Suicune played a better role than Ho-oh and Lugia.

Pinkie-Dawn March 3rd, 2013 7:43 AM

The idea of giving the main legendary a less major role is asking for a barebones plot from the first two generations.

Mujahid March 3rd, 2013 8:10 AM

I'm with Xanny on the whole legendary issue. In my opinion, legendaries should influence the plot.The last three gens had the whole plot ON them. I believe the Second Gen did this beautifully.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 3rd, 2013 10:04 AM

It would be kind of interesting if the legends were outside of the villain's goal. They could have their own plot where they start to awaken due to the villains actions much like the muskeeters in Gen 5. They test us sort of like Suicune, only we battle it multiple times along the way, and it flees after only to show up somewhere else. The last battle can be before we face the villain too, only we can decide to skip their capture like with Rayquaza in E and the muskeeters.

Guy March 3rd, 2013 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 7562842)
The idea of giving the main legendary a less major role is asking for a barebones plot from the first two generations.

As it stands, I actually feel like the first two gens have the most original storytelling. Gen III started something new in involving the legendary mascots with the team's larger plot, which was fine, until every generation afterward started following the same step. I wouldn't mind if they did something similar to HG/SS where the mascots had some sort of role, but nothing extremely major.

In a world of Pokémon games, there are countless of other plot ideas that GameFreak could pull out from under the rug without having to focus too much on the mascots themselves and tying it in to whatever the evil team is doing.

Mark Kamill March 3rd, 2013 11:32 AM

I dunno, personally I feel if they're going for genetics, give us the main legendaries being creations of the evil team. I know it sounds crazy, but unlike Mewtwo and Genesect, these are completely original Lab Pokemon, no previous Pokemon DNA to make them.

vaporeon7 March 3rd, 2013 11:55 AM

I wouldn't mind it if we had something like HGSS in terms of legendaries having things to do with the plot. I really don't want the villainous team to want to create a new world with the legendary Pokémon. What happen to just wanting to get lots of money like Team Rocket and taking over major corporations?

Miss Doronjo March 3rd, 2013 3:39 PM

Well, I wrote about a tl;dr on how I wish the new villainous team would be like Team Rocket, but, you know -- I feel as though legendaries that are powerful and rare, but not almighty and one-of-a-kind, should certainly not in charge of vital functions of the universe. They can just be really strong, rare and revered creature that according to local lore appears from time to time.

So yeah, I hope X&Y will return for this regard as they did with the Gen I and Gen II games, but don't get me wrong -- the gens after that had amazing plots, but, I'm just hoping that they'd take an easy with the whole "obsessed with the legendary's power" approach.

Jake♫ March 3rd, 2013 4:52 PM

It's true, the whole "We need this legend to rule the world!" story is getting rather old. Team Rocket's story was honestly the most original to me, straying away from needing the legendaries to fuel the story and their quest. Nowadays it just feels like a crutch the the story leans on.

Miss Doronjo March 3rd, 2013 5:36 PM

Yeah, I would like a change from that. =(

By the way, how exactly would you guys play to complete the games? Like, would you generally take your time, or.. rush through it as quickly as possible, or... just go on your own pace?

I tend to take my sweet time when it comes to new games in general, so, X&Y would not be so different! Of course, then again, I do wonder how much game time is plugged in the main story of X&Y. If its much, then, maybe I'd start going on a faster pace.

I'm only asking because I see that it might be tough to try and get used to this whole new gameplay feel, so... I just wonder how this might effect a person's desire to take on a new challenge (if that makes sense / if I worded it correctly).

Scarecr0wFixatioN March 3rd, 2013 5:59 PM

For some reason, the first trailer just gave me the vibe that Xerneas seemed like some of protector, while Yveltal=Yvel=Evil. I really think it's probably going to be something like, Yveltal is a destructive pokemon and Xerneas is some kind of savior pokemon. They'll end up constantly feuding (Maybe Yveltal is attacking whatever Xerneas is trying to defend, if that's the case), and the feud will somehow affect whatever plans the villain team have.

Pinkie-Dawn March 3rd, 2013 6:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Aerilyn (Post 7563196)
As it stands, I actually feel like the first two gens have the most original storytelling. Gen III started something new in involving the legendary mascots with the team's larger plot, which was fine, until every generation afterward started following the same step. I wouldn't mind if they did something similar to HG/SS where the mascots had some sort of role, but nothing extremely major.

In a world of Pokémon games, there are countless of other plot ideas that GameFreak could pull out from under the rug without having to focus too much on the mascots themselves and tying it in to whatever the evil team is doing.

But wasn't the original plot of Pokemon about the main character defeating the main villain to save the world, according to one of their interviews? It seems as though the later gens are going for the plot GF originally intended. Besides, there's a lot of fans who want Pokemon's storyline to have a plot in the ranks of Final Fantasy and Metal Gear.

Ho-Oh March 3rd, 2013 7:06 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7562838)
Lugia and Ho-oh didn't play any major part in the games. They had more of a role in the remakes with the Kimono girls addition, but it still wasn't a major role. Suicune played a better role than Ho-oh and Lugia.

Buuut they didn't have a specific DNA pattern on the logo matched by the legendaries designs! (aka Y/X)

Jake♫ March 3rd, 2013 7:13 PM

Isn't that missing the point though? Some of us want to stray away from the legendaries being the focus of the entire game, instead of being the focus. If the designs of the logos for the games are based on the legendaries that almost the opposite of what people are hoping for =P

Hikamaru March 3rd, 2013 7:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jake♫ (Post 7563884)
Isn't that missing the point though? Some of us want to stray away from the legendaries being the focus of the entire game, instead of being the focus. If the designs of the logos for the games are based on the legendaries that almost the opposite of what people are hoping for =P

If you look at the HeartGold and SoulSilver logos, you'll notice there's an icon that's a gold heart resembling Ho-Oh (HeartGold) and a soul shaped like Lugia (SoulSilver). Black 2 and White 2's logos have blue on black and red/orange on white respectively, referring to Black Kyurem and White Kyurem. Black and White's logos even match their respective mascot Legendary, with Black's logo being white with black text and vice versa for White. In fact, Reshiram and Zekrom are the opposite color of their version, as part of the yin-yang theme seen with the games.

Pokemon X's logo resembles Xerneas, while Pokemon Y's logo resembles Yveltal. They have had the pattern of game logos referencing their mascot Legendary since HeartGold and SoulSilver.

Jake♫ March 3rd, 2013 7:56 PM

I understand what the symbols are, but it seems like it's kind of foreshadowing for another game centered around the legendaries, which I personally would like to shy away from

Xander Olivieri March 3rd, 2013 9:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7563873)
Buuut they didn't have a specific DNA pattern on the logo matched by the legendaries designs! (aka Y/X)

As far as we know right now, neither Xerneas nor Yveltal have anything to do with Genetics either outside of pure speculation. That still doesn't change the fact that Ho-oh and Lugia were the box art Pokemon and played absolutely no specified role in the major plot. Gen 2/Remake's plot ends before the 7th Badge when you beat Team Rocket and the legends are available afterwards, but the legends themselves weren't part of the main focus.

Yveltal and Xerneas can take the Musketdeer role in B2W2 and woke up due to trouble. Attempts to stop trouble as a minor instance and is a reoccuring boss battle similar to spotting Suicune in Crystal. While still involved in the story, it doesn't play a major role and you are given the choice to deviate from the main story to catch it or contimue on and catch it later.

Cerberus87 March 4th, 2013 2:14 AM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7564012)
As far as we know right now, neither Xerneas nor Yveltal have anything to do with Genetics either outside of pure speculation. That still doesn't change the fact that Ho-oh and Lugia were the box art Pokemon and played absolutely no specified role in the major plot. Gen 2/Remake's plot ends before the 7th Badge when you beat Team Rocket and the legends are available afterwards, but the legends themselves weren't part of the main focus.

Yveltal and Xerneas can take the Musketdeer role in B2W2 and woke up due to trouble. Attempts to stop trouble as a minor instance and is a reoccuring boss battle similar to spotting Suicune in Crystal. While still involved in the story, it doesn't play a major role and you are given the choice to deviate from the main story to catch it or contimue on and catch it later.

Actually I think Xerneas and Yveltal are opposites in the meaning that Yveltal is the result of genetic manipulation or corruption, while Xerneas represents the purity of standard genes.

The crystals in Xerneas' horns are colored after the DNA nitrobases, though.

gimmepie March 4th, 2013 6:02 AM

I couldn't really care less one way or the other. Join avenue was a cool concept but I haven't even used it simply because I don't connect with many other people on my games. If it didn't require other people I'd love it I guess.

Tbh, I'd rather have the secret base feature back like in the Hoenn games, but to a greater extent.

Mark Kamill March 4th, 2013 7:23 AM

Secret bases needs to come back only in the case of Gamefreak tying it to streetpass/spotpass.

Anyway, I was thinking about the trading discussion, and the migration thread brought an idea to my head. Cheap XY trading through multiple games on a handheld. How? If they give us Digital Download copies of X/Y, then I kinda hope they allow for trading between a download and retail copy, for us anti-social people. Sure random online could alleviate dex completion, but it would be nice to trade with yourself in one fell swoop to get them all. Would also be a nice thing to allow for some funky X/Y feature swapping, like the keys.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 4th, 2013 8:36 AM

I'm hoping they don't do the key thing again to determine the difficulty level, and they have us pick the difficulty from the beginning.

Jake♫ March 4th, 2013 2:44 PM

That would be nice. I'm sick of seeing the same shadow blob thingy instead of an actual sprite. Now that the game is 3D I think it'd be way easier to do it. Only problem is a lot of the smaller Pokémon that learn it, it might look awkward with the size of your character on it =P

blue March 4th, 2013 3:08 PM

i think that's long overdue, it would be much better surfing on a Lapras rather than some sort of.. idk what it is.

Xander Olivieri March 4th, 2013 3:28 PM

It'll be another generic image for surfing. This is to keep the game from crashing when people hack in Pokemon that cannot use such attacks and have no sprite/image for them. Adding surfing images for every pokemon that can use it and flying Pokemon is too much.

They are going to stick with something generic.

Yamiidenryuu March 4th, 2013 4:48 PM

There's no real need for placeholders, because all they'd have to do is program a swimming action for the existing models, which would be the same over any Pokemon that have the same body type, and stick the player's model on top of it. Models are a lot more flexible than sprites. The worst that'd happen would be that some Pokemon that can't legally get Surf would have a jerky or screwed-up animation, but most players aren't going to see something like that without going out of their way.

If nothing else, they could make surf/fly animations for all the Pokemon that can legally do those things and include a placeholder to show when any other Pokemon is used. They could probably download new animations to the cartridge over wi-fi if some Pokemon get those moves legally by an event, too.

Jake♫ March 4th, 2013 4:52 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7564983)
It'll be another generic image for surfing. This is to keep the game from crashing when people hack in Pokemon that cannot use such attacks and have no sprite/image for them. Adding surfing images for every pokemon that can use it and flying Pokemon is too much.

They are going to stick with something generic.

If people are taking the risk to hack their games, it's at their own risk if they break it. I don't feel like Game Freak and Nintendo should feel obligated not to do something ambitious because people are editing the files to something that shouldn't be there.

Of course, Nintendo probably won't do it anyways but that shouldn't stop them.

Cyclone March 4th, 2013 7:23 PM

All right, so I took a bit of a PokéBreak these last two or three weeks. Apologies for a possibly spammy post, but can I inquire for a digest version of any new developments in this period of time? I'm back now, so should be following again.

Cyclone

Miss Doronjo March 4th, 2013 7:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CycloneGU (Post 7565344)
All right, so I took a bit of a PokéBreak these last two or three weeks. Apologies for a possibly spammy post, but can I inquire for a digest version of any new developments in this period of time? I'm back now, so should be following again.

Cyclone

Well, I think you already know about the new eeveelution pokemon revealed; Sylveon, right? Other than that, there hasn't been any new news for X&Y yet. Just a lot of rumors from someone named "Mr. XY".

Jake♫ March 4th, 2013 8:07 PM

Most of the rumors from Mr. XY have been rather far-fetched though, so if you read them take them with a grain of salt (I mean, Houndoom evolution named Houndoomed? Really?)

Ho-Oh March 4th, 2013 8:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7564907)
Eh, the whole key system was pretty unnecessary, but I guess I can understand why they put in something like that. On a whole though yeah, we should choose our own difficulty.

One thing I'm definitely hoping for is that when we surf, that we actually surf on our Pokemon instead of a shadow or something. @[email protected]

I wouldn't mind surfing on a small red Lapras sprite (for everything) again if this doesn't happen, like the early days n_n

roosterman March 4th, 2013 9:37 PM

hey guys, i walked into gamestop to get meloetta and they had a big oversized box advertising X and Y. it had the miiverse symbol in the corner. we're gonna get miiverse for 3DS!!! and compatable with X/Y!!!

oh, and does anyone know what site mr xy is on? i'd like to read what he says myself. although i don't like only 99 pokemon, what he says seems plausible.

Jake♫ March 4th, 2013 11:32 PM

Mr. XY can be found on 4chan, so if you want to venture over there to get it firsthand feel free I suppose, but be warned of the craziness that can be 4chan.

And I have no idea what the Miiverse will be doing for XY. Maybe a replacement for friend codes?

Cyclone March 5th, 2013 8:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Miss Doronjo (Post 7565393)
Well, I think you already know about the new eeveelution pokemon revealed; Sylveon, right? Other than that, there hasn't been any new news for X&Y yet. Just a lot of rumors from someone named "Mr. XY".

Actually, I didn't. Will research it!

Cyclone

Miss Doronjo March 5th, 2013 8:40 AM

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Originally Posted by CycloneGU (Post 7566000)
Actually, I didn't. Will research it!

Cyclone

Well, you can take a look at All Things Sylveon or the News Summary for a brief overview~! ^^

Basically, it's "type" is the hot issue. GF hasn't revealed it's type yet, but... they might in the next CoroCoro or so.

Livewire March 5th, 2013 8:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7564907)
One thing I'm definitely hoping for is that when we surf, that we actually surf on our Pokemon instead of a shadow or something. @[email protected]

This would be so awesome, seriously. Strollin' onto the beach on the back of a ferocious-looking Gyarados.


And this would kinda replace the follow me fature for most people, so you can see the unique overworld sprite for your Pokemon. I wish it would be the same for Fly too, even if you only see the Pokemon for a second or two.

And for the love of God Gamefreak, show us Sylveon's type already.

Cordelia March 5th, 2013 9:17 AM

I want to surf on my Gyarados. D: BE IN FEAR, TEAM <evil team name>! I shall dominate you with my fearsome Gyarados.

Miss Doronjo March 5th, 2013 9:21 AM

That, or it can turn out that people have been hyping over the type from nothing. ;__;
GF generally likes to see that sort of hype happen.

Mark Kamill March 5th, 2013 9:21 AM

Nah Sylveon is one of those pre-release permanent discussions, like NY or Shanghai for Unova. Only thing is we don't know which side is the blatantly obvious one, team new type or team old type...

roosterman March 5th, 2013 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Jake♫ (Post 7565649)
Mr. XY can be found on 4chan, so if you want to venture over there to get it firsthand feel free I suppose, but be warned of the craziness that can be 4chan.

And I have no idea what the Miiverse will be doing for XY. Maybe a replacement for friend codes?

if this mr. XY is serious, we'll be able to see other people on their journeys and challenge them. i want that so bad! having miiverse on it is really helping him prove himself. i guess we can't be sure until the 15th when we will supposedly get more news.

i just got this strange thought yesterday, he says the company is telling some of the employees about this rather then keeping it secret. could this be an advertising tactic? telling employees to keep something secret, and they get free advertisement to keep hype for the game up. or maybe they actually hired this guy to "leak" everything they tell him.

Jake♫ March 5th, 2013 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7566101)
That's what they do, apparently. They love to create hype, sit back in their chairs, and troll us all day long to see the fans' reactions. And then when all of that dies down, then they get back to the nitty gritty and shoot out more (albeit somewhat vague) information for fans to speculate on. I'm not surprised in the slightest.

That's the beauty of CoroCoro coming out when it does: Gives the fans enough time to sit here on our own and hype it up for them while we speculate =P

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Originally Posted by roosterman (Post 7566161)
if this mr. XY is serious, we'll be able to see other people on their journeys and challenge them. i want that so bad! having miiverse on it is really helping him prove himself. i guess we can't be sure until the 15th when we will supposedly get more news.

i just got this strange thought yesterday, he says the company is telling some of the employees about this rather then keeping it secret. could this be an advertising tactic? telling employees to keep something secret, and they get free advertisement to keep hype for the game up. or maybe they actually hired this guy to "leak" everything they tell him.

As nice as all of that sounds, I severely doubt anything he is saying is really going to come true. This happens pretty much every generation from over there, and although every once in a great while we get a small fact that was true, most of it is just made up. Plus Nintendo/Game Freak having someone leak all their info ahead of time is kind of odd, since that ruins the games themselves if you know everything ahead of time.

roosterman March 5th, 2013 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jake♫ (Post 7566182)
That's the beauty of CoroCoro coming out when it does: Gives the fans enough time to sit here on our own and hype it up for them while we speculate =P



As nice as all of that sounds, I severely doubt anything he is saying is really going to come true. This happens pretty much every generation from over there, and although every once in a great while we get a small fact that was true, most of it is just made up. Plus Nintendo/Game Freak having someone leak all their info ahead of time is kind of odd, since that ruins the games themselves if you know everything ahead of time.

well, you know, not all the info, but hiring someone to "leak" a little info here and there seems like a good idea, just look at how many people are already talking about him. and for some reason people just find it much more exciting to have leaked information then official information.

Z25 March 5th, 2013 2:46 PM

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Originally Posted by roosterman (Post 7566161)
if this mr. XY is serious, we'll be able to see other people on their journeys and challenge them. i want that so bad! having miiverse on it is really helping him prove himself. i guess we can't be sure until the 15th when we will supposedly get more news.

i just got this strange thought yesterday, he says the company is telling some of the employees about this rather then keeping it secret. could this be an advertising tactic? telling employees to keep something secret, and they get free advertisement to keep hype for the game up. or maybe they actually hired this guy to "leak" everything they tell him.

I disagree with the other reply to this. I think nintendo has realized that the fans for the most part like having the game spoiled. From who i have talked with they all said that it will just gets them more excited for the game, so maybe nintendo realized this and don't mind having someone leak the info because the fans will enjoy it and they would still make money. I think some ideas in this rumor are plausible while others are not. I like some of the evolutions ideas though. Also to the above post i see that reasonable to. He may have given us the names and places but we have no idea what they look like or any key plots to the game so i don't see why it is unreasonable beside the fact it comes from 4chan.

Miss Doronjo March 5th, 2013 2:52 PM

I'm not an experienced Fakédex-er, but it appears he's been working on the material for a while. It seems like the list of Pokémon, Gym Leaders, etc, was created well beforehand. That really isn't the hard part, there are many people who have made something similar.

However, the way it was presented is rather.. well done? Instead of going all-out with everything, and have it written off as another wishlist, he first presented it as if he had very limited access to the stuff, recited from memory or brief info sheets. Quick descriptions from artwork, small overview of game features, some interface, etc. He refers to specific points in the trailer, having explanations for minute details, and so on. He has all the designs ready, all names and so on. However, to avoid inconsistencies, he pretends not to know much, instead portioning out his stuff little by little. This way, nothing he says goes against anything he will say later.

If this is fake, it has accomplished its objective. Every Pokémon fan site has a thread or two discussing it. Many fans have swallowed the bait completely. Many are sceptical (myself included), but even they agree this is very well crafted. Any news from GameFreak refusing what we've been presented could blow the list completely. On the other hand, any news from GameFreak not refusing it would just cause the debate to stir even higher.

If it's legit, however, Mr. XY should either be looking for a new job soon, or he has done his job well and generated a fantastic amount of PR. Whether or not his bosses wanted this to happen is uncertain, but either way it has got the fans pumped for the game.


Well, some of his ideas do look cool~ The typings look interesting; I hope the new pokemon for X&Y will be similar to some of the typings listed! Or at least, I hope the new evolutions do~


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