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Shiny Celebi March 14th, 2013 5:18 PM

I dont think there is currently a 3DS emulator and I hear it is quite hard to hack and that 3DS cards are even encrypted so Nintendo seems to be taking that very seriously, so we dont know that we will even have a ROM at that point. It might be mainly guess work and testing at that point. Things could be way different this time around assuming no one can get into the game's code.

Jake♫ March 14th, 2013 5:26 PM

There will more than likely be someone that will be able to break the code before someone has to manually figure it out. Besides, you don't really need an emulator to read into the code of the cartridge/ROM if one comes out. Either way, we might have to wait a little longer for getting information through our free sources, but I don't really mind waiting a little while. I'd rather just play through anyways without spoiling completely everything for myself.

Mark Kamill March 14th, 2013 5:35 PM

Its gonna be a long time till EV manipulation DS style is gonna happen, I can bet on that. Not to mention, patching would basically allow GF to ban any Pokemon externally changed, so good luck with RNGs and what not.

Jake♫ March 14th, 2013 5:48 PM

Pokémon that are RNGed aren't modified by anything on the outside though. You're just manipulating the random number generator in the game to get what you want, not using any sort of cheating device to get something illegal. I'm sure someone will find a way to RNG in X/Y for a fact. How long that will take is the real question.

Pinkie-Dawn March 14th, 2013 5:50 PM

But I'm planning to play the game on its launch date, and without a proper guide that shows me EV points and real stat spreads from the Gen VI Pokemon, since the game is being released internationally, how am I suppose to know my Chespin or Fennekin's highest stat and if I'm getting the correct EV points for said highest stat? I EV train my Pokemon during the story mode to increase the game's difficulty curve.

Jake♫ March 14th, 2013 5:55 PM

If you're EV training during the game aren't you making it easier for yourself though? I mean I understand the want to do it, but if it's really that important for you then you're going to have to buckle and buy the guide =P

Pinkie-Dawn March 14th, 2013 6:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jake♫ (Post 7581203)
If you're EV training during the game aren't you making it easier for yourself though? I mean I understand the want to do it, but if it's really that important for you then you're going to have to buckle and buy the guide =P

It's not as easy as you think. :P

Here's a scenario as an example. I have a Water starter whose highest stat will be on Special Attack, and my first gym specializes Rock types, the gym leader's Pokemon have EV points on Defense. None of the Grass, Water, or Fighting types available on the early routes have defense as their highest stats, so I'm forced to use a Pokemon with defense as its highest stat, regardless if it's at a type disadvantage, to beat those Pokemon.

Mark Kamill March 14th, 2013 6:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jake♫ (Post 7581191)
Pokémon that are RNGed aren't modified by anything on the outside though. You're just manipulating the random number generator in the game to get what you want, not using any sort of cheating device to get something illegal. I'm sure someone will find a way to RNG in X/Y for a fact. How long that will take is the real question.

A long time is my guess. RNG still requires some of the code, and that's something they still haven't gotten to yet. The 3DS and its games will remain unhacked as I said. I wouldn't be surprised if it takes us till the generations end when firmware updates are more lax to actually break through.

Jake♫ March 14th, 2013 6:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 7581215)
It's not as easy as you think. :P

Here's a scenario as an example. I have a Water starter whose highest stat will be on Special Attack, and my first gym specializes Rock types, the gym leader's Pokemon have EV points on Defense. None of the Grass, Water, or Fighting types available on the early routes have defense as their highest stats, so I'm forced to use a Pokemon with defense as its highest stat, regardless if it's at a type disadvantage, to beat those Pokemon.

Well, if that's how you're playing it through then looks like you're buying the guide =P

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Originally Posted by Elendil (Post 7581220)
A long time is my guess. RNG still requires some of the code, and that's something they still haven't gotten to yet. The 3DS and its games will remain unhacked as I said. I wouldn't be surprised if it takes us till the generations end when firmware updates are more lax to actually break through.

Yeah that's true, since they need access to the RNG in the first place. So maybe it might take forever, but who knows. No one has tried to hack into the code for the game yet so we'll see how unbreakable the 3DS really is.

Pinkie-Dawn March 14th, 2013 8:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jake♫ (Post 7581231)
Well, if that's how you're playing it through then looks like you're buying the guide =P

Problem is, the guide isn't all reliable on what EV points a basic form Pokemon has. What's worse is that their stats are determined by dots rather than actual numbers:

HP - **
Attk - *
Def - *
SpA - **
SpD - **
Spe - *

If a basic form Pokemon has the same number of dots on 2-3 stats, it only makes it harder to determine which EV Point that new Pokemon has.

BTW, guys, there's a new image floating around 4chan, and it's an off-screen image of what appears to be pre-evolved forms of Heracross and Pinsir. Chances are, it could be fake, as being debunked by its members, but if it turns out to be true, then Mr. XY is in big trouble with TPCi.

Cyclone March 14th, 2013 8:57 PM

Didn't your little friend already come out saying his post was all fake?

Cyclone

Jake♫ March 14th, 2013 9:02 PM

Yes, I posted it either here a few pages back or in the March Corocoro thread. Mr. XY already has claimed everything that he said was fake.

Pinkie-Dawn March 14th, 2013 9:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CycloneGU (Post 7581421)
Didn't your little friend already come out saying his post was all fake?

Cyclone

Mr. XY fully admit that he lied, but the image made things suspicious on whether or not he's telling the truth about lying.

Xander Olivieri March 14th, 2013 9:21 PM

You aren't supposed to play like that though Pinky. Players aren't supposed to know about EVs. You are creating a block yourself that doesn't pertain at all to the developers nor those outside. The games are made for you to catch what appeals to you and raise the Pokemon you like. Not look up everything before hand and go through with one pre-set team.

Its about exxploration, uncovering new favorites, and raising the Pokemon you like. Live and learn from mistakes you make through the game and get better as you go.

From what you post you are more competitive minded than you should be when playing through the story. I play casually. I catch what interests me and go forth. A lot of the times I have a team not well suited for the gym I'm about to go through and have to change up my tactics.

The guides reflect this info. They aren't supposed to show everything. IVs and EVs aren't going to be well spread out information, nor were they ever supposed to be. What ever else they plan on adding in most likely may be a hidden feature as well. You'll know it makes you stronger, but exact information won't be given by officials since its not a huge part of the enjoyment of the gameplay.

Like the others said, we may not get any of this info until way later in the life of the games. We even may finish the generation off before we have accurate information on the EVs and what other battle changes they may have.

Even specifics like new Pokeball capute % and new Pokemon Catch Rates, set friendship levels, and until the guide book comes out, egg moves for all older and newer Pokemon. None of this will be available if we can't get into the cart.

And honestly, this is no where as bad as the future of Playstation and Xbox games. XD

Those two are putting one time use codes into the games so you can only play them on the system you first put them into. So in Sony's case you can't trade in the game or borrow them from things like Gamefly as the codes sync up like PC CD keys (which would probably treat them the same way as PC games and make them illegal to trade in/re-sell)

Xbox is supposedly moving into pure download with one time use ID codes for games.

Nintendo having higher encryptions on their games is the least of a gamer's worry. We can wait it out a year or so for them to break it so we can get the Meta info, not that it'll stop 6th Gen from having proper meta competitions. You'll be able to see what pokemon have what kinda stats as you level them up.

Like I had said, someone will watch the growth of their Pokemon. If they have Neutral natures, that makes everything easier to calculate as they only have to worry about EVs and IVs upsetting the numbers. We'll have a rough guess of the stats and a few new EV rates for some Pokemon shortly after the games are out. (I say shortly...a month would be considered short in this respect)

We just have to go through casually and see what we can see. If no huge info is updated a month after due to them not finishing calculations or breaking the encryption, then we can put pen to paper and try to help as best we can with what we see happening to our Pokemon.



Can you post a copy of the picture? It hasn't appeared anywhere else. And no he fully admitted that everything he said was 100% made up. If they still drop pre-evo's then is just a coincidence. They are two of the most wanted Pre-evos after all. Even Gamefreak has some level of predictability.


EDIT: Swallowed my pride and went to get it myself...now I'll be back in a bit after I finish scrubbing the fail and horrible stink of 4chan out of me.

http://i.imgur.com/FxmEvUD.jpg?1

Mujahid March 15th, 2013 3:35 AM

I call that fake. Just as PJ said, a show revealing 2 new pokemons is odd. Besides, it's obvious someone read about Mr.XY and made those.

Ho-Oh March 15th, 2013 3:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 7581428)
Mr. XY fully admit that he lied, but the image made things suspicious on whether or not he's telling the truth about lying.

But there's no question about it... the fact that the Heracross/Pinsir stuff when expected not happening proves it's fake and that he did lie. :/ It may be true but the way he said it'd happen certainly isn't. I do hope we get some better fakes, though, or leaks, idm, just -anything-.

Mark Kamill March 15th, 2013 6:16 AM

You do have to admit though,those fake babies are pretty damn adorable. I love the cheeks on baby Heracross. Anyway, XanderO put things as best as anyone could. We're just gonna have to crunch some numbers, and use pen and paper for a while. But one thing though. What if EV's and IV's are the same, same values and caps, but GF managed to make them even more random and spread out then before? I'm not suggesting something as huge as Gen 2=>3 but more of an evolution of the system we already have, that would make all external tampering useless?

Jake♫ March 15th, 2013 10:11 AM

I'd doubt they go and change it that drastically. I think they have a pretty solid system already in place, and screwing around with it isn't going to help anyone. If anything, it'd screw around with a lot of Pokémon that we could transfer over. Plus, if it's so uncrackable I don't think they really have a reason to do it when it's going to take people to figure out specific values a very long time anyways.

Shiny Celebi March 15th, 2013 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 7581428)
Mr. XY fully admit that he lied, but the image made things suspicious on whether or not he's telling the truth about lying.

He was lying.

In the future, Id be extremely hesitant to believe anything you see posted on 4chan or any site like that, it's most likely fake. People can post absolutely anything there.

vaporeon7 March 15th, 2013 1:31 PM

A rule of thumb that I heard for new Pokémon is: If when a new Pokémon is leaked there isn't heaps of art for it on Pixiv within five minutes, it's fake.

blue March 15th, 2013 1:35 PM

I would love a Pinsir/Heracross baby evolution and even though the recent rumor was fake, it certainly doesn't rule it out for this generation or a later generation.

vaporeon7 March 15th, 2013 1:53 PM

I think Lapras needs a pre-evo before other things. It has the highest BST of all non-legendary Pokémon without any evolutionary relatives.

Pinkie-Dawn March 15th, 2013 2:51 PM

TBH, I hope Sylveon is the only cross gen evolution to a Kanto Pokemon in XY, because I'm reorganizing the Kanto Pokedex, in case of another R/B/Y remake, by including all cross gen (pre)evos of the Kanto Pokemon to make it go up to 190 as what GF originally intended to add before cutting down to 151. So far, the list is 183, so I need to add 7 more Pokemon in the roster, but they have to be Ghost-type Pokemon, Dragon-type Pokemon, and Pokemon who evolved via Dusk Stone and Light Stone to expand Agatha and Lance's team. So as much as I like to see a Lapras evo, I really don't want to see it happening, for it ruins this idea I came up with.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 15th, 2013 4:44 PM

When do you guys think we'll get some real news? I'm hoping we get something along the way to April 15.

Munchlax11 March 15th, 2013 5:12 PM

April 15 sounds like a possible date for new info. I think we will see some new news around that time. I'm surprised Sylveon's type hasn't been revealed yet...

Xander Olivieri March 15th, 2013 6:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Munchlax11 (Post 7582677)
April 15 sounds like a possible date for new info. I think we will see some new news around that time. I'm surprised Sylveon's type hasn't been revealed yet...

It actually makes a lot of sense. Sylveon's evolution method and type are potential spoilers to the upcoming movie short. Why would they want to spoil the movie? Its supposedly about the creation/discovery of Sylveon so they'd want to keep typing and evolution method secret until the last possible moment. That moment being the release and reveal during the movie.

So really. No one should be expecting Sylveon's type or evolution method for another 4 months.

Miss Doronjo March 15th, 2013 6:39 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7582747)
It actually makes a lot of sense. Sylveon's evolution method and type are potential spoilers to the upcoming movie short. Why would they want to spoil the movie? Its supposedly about the creation/discovery of Sylveon so they'd want to keep typing and evolution method secret until the last possible moment. That moment being the release and reveal during the movie.

So really. No one should be expecting Sylveon's type or evolution method for another 4 months.

Are you sure that isn't too long? I just imagine that at least it's type wouldn't be too much of a spoiler for the short.

Shiny Celebi March 15th, 2013 7:06 PM

I guess I can see that reasoning, but we know not much about the movie short ,we dont know that it's type is not a spoiler for the short. Im getting anxious about the type myself, but I guess we have to wait.

I just hope for more CoroCoro news next month. Some more game info, maybe some screenshots of the game, and another Pokemon or two. I dont expect that much.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 15th, 2013 11:40 PM

They should at least release it's type, as the short sounds like it's more about eevee's evolution into Sylveon than the actual type. Besides it's just a short, not like it's part of the whole movie...which by the way we've had spoilers for, such as the showing of Keldeo's resolution forme which was a center role in the main movie, yet was shown early, same with Kyurem's formes. Also the anime evolution may not necessary be the game's evolution method seeing how Kyurem's formes don't work the same way, and some of the Pokémon that evolve by trade with items just evolve by exposure to the item, skipping the trading part.

Anyways let's hope they reveal the typings of the mascots at least, that or for them to have more new Pokémon, as talking about the mascots, and Sylveon's typings has gotten kind of old.

blue March 16th, 2013 4:06 AM

I'm kinda surprised at how little we know given how much time has passed since the announcement, over a span of two months we've only had the game reveal, starters, legendaries and Sylveon. I would have expected a little more, even if it's just anime news or some further details on the new features in X & Y. I suppose there is another seven months until the release but still.

Ho-Oh March 16th, 2013 4:09 AM

I'm not surprised. In generation 5 we only had the silhouettes at this point of the starters, the two legendaries and Zoroark/Zorua. We didn't even see anything of the region iirc so gen 6 is much faster than that. It's just weird because they revealed it all at once really... so you'd expect "more".

Sabrewulf238 March 16th, 2013 8:02 AM

I remember back when the 5th gen was coming there was somebody posting silhouettes of the new pokemon. (and he might have been drawing them too)

Does anyone remember how soon before the games were actually released this happened? I thought it was a month or two but I'm not really certain.

Ho-Oh March 16th, 2013 8:09 AM

September. About a week or so before the games were released. And it was PokeExperto. Not sure if it's going to happen that way again... :( I kind of doubt it this time really.

Mark Kamill March 16th, 2013 8:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7583515)
September. About a week or so before the games were released. And it was PokeExperto. Not sure if it's going to happen that way again... :( I kind of doubt it this time really.

Yeah something tells me after that fiasco no one is showing anyone, anything.

Shiny Celebi March 16th, 2013 8:13 AM

I very much doubt that Melkor(the Pokexperto guy) will be given a lot of inside info again so the same thing wont happen with XY. Nintendo was not happy about him leaking all that.

Cyclone March 16th, 2013 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7582655)
When do you guys think we'll get some real news? I'm hoping we get something along the way to April 15.

The procedure for speculators:

"We should get some news on 'Month 1' 15th."

Date passes. The next day:

"I believe we'll get more info on 'Month 2' 15th."

Date passes. The next day:

"We're due for info on 'Month 3' 15th."

Rinse, lather, repeat.

Sorry, had to point this out. :D And it'll likely turn into that until about September because of past leaks.

Cyclone

Xander Olivieri March 16th, 2013 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elendil (Post 7583521)
Yeah something tells me after that fiasco no one is showing anyone, anything.

Considering that Filb.de even went as far as to post: Due to legal issues we will not be posting images, but we will detail the leak. (I paraphrased cause Google translate is stupid)

They did not post any images from CoroCoro this month and just wrote it out. More sites may fall to this as well in the future, so I feel I can safely say, news is going to be incredibly slow. Even if we get news, images and actual proof will come a day or two afterwards even for the CoroCoro just do people don't get sue'd.

Gary's Ho-oh March 16th, 2013 2:15 PM

I can wait another month of no X Y news as I've been spending my time, since X & Y was revealed, focusing my hype on other things like Wii U and 3DS games I want, Smash Bros. (including two fan games I'm following), and surfing the web looking up memes.

But one thing I'm hoping is that North American Nintendo/Pokémon Facebook pages keep on sharing the latest news not long after it was revealed in Japan territories like they've done with the XY reveal and Sylveon as I enjoy knowing that we got the English information almost instantly rather than weeks or months later.

Gary's Ho-oh March 16th, 2013 5:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7584122)
Eh. I wouldn't get my hopes up thought until after April or so.

Meh, I can still wait. There's no rush for news.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 16th, 2013 8:30 PM

I believe BW only skipped out in one month of news during it's news cycle in Corocoro, so maybe we won't get another month without news...it'll likely be minor from here on until the summer however.

Ho-Oh March 16th, 2013 8:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CycloneGU (Post 7583664)
The procedure for speculators:

"We should get some news on 'Month 1' 15th."

Date passes. The next day:

"I believe we'll get more info on 'Month 2' 15th."

Date passes. The next day:

"We're due for info on 'Month 3' 15th."

Rinse, lather, repeat.

Sorry, had to point this out. :D And it'll likely turn into that until about September because of past leaks.

Cyclone

I doubt that'll happen til September. By that point we'll have a lot of information, so yeah, probably around May-ish is when it'll really start coming in.

Sabrewulf238 March 17th, 2013 4:14 AM

Was Pokexperto working for Nintendo/Game Freak?

Ho-Oh March 17th, 2013 4:31 AM

I don't think so, I think he just got inside information somehow, iirc? But either way, that probably won't be happening again, as the most we got was Mr X/Y and that was a failure, soo.

Sabrewulf238 March 17th, 2013 5:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7584689)
that probably won't be happening again, as the most we got was Mr X/Y and that was a failure, soo.

I think it's a little early in the day to be saying that's all we got.

We have about 7 months left to get something more than that.

Ho-Oh March 17th, 2013 5:21 AM

Well yeah, I get that, but I think the Spanish website was a rare case. :x The chances of that happening again this generation seems unlikely given how GF cracked down on it etc.

Zorogami March 17th, 2013 5:38 AM

I sure hope they release some official info anytime soon, it's killing me to have to wait and not get anything new...plus the speculation boards have given me an unreleastic view on what fo expect from these new games, so some actual facts would be a nice change ^^

Cyclone March 17th, 2013 5:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zorogami (Post 7584732)
I sure hope they release some official info anytime soon, it's killing me to have to wait and not get anything new

That's exactly what Nintendo/Gamefreak wants.

Cyclone

Xander Olivieri March 17th, 2013 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Zorogami (Post 7584732)
I sure hope they release some official info anytime soon, it's killing me to have to wait and not get anything new...plus the speculation boards have given me an unreleastic view on what fo expect from these new games, so some actual facts would be a nice change ^^

Most videogames don't even give us half as much info as Pokemon always does until the month before release. Could be much worse. They could give us a name and nothing else like every other company up until the release.

Jake♫ March 17th, 2013 10:49 AM

It really is true, they do release information for us quicker than anyone else usually does. We usually just get one preview in a print publication and then we're stuck waiting longer. The fact that we generally get something almost monthly is something out of the ordinary for most new releases.

Keiran March 17th, 2013 11:38 AM

Has there been any speculation about a connection between Mewtwo randomly getting Hurricane and Sylveons type being possibly Flying? The short and movie are set to air alongside each other so it could be interesting to see if these two things are related.

Jake♫ March 17th, 2013 11:42 AM

I don't really see much of a connection of Mewtwo learning Hurricane and Sylveon being Flying type. If anything that'd be much more of a coincidence if anything if Sylveon ends up being Flying typed.

Shiny Celebi March 17th, 2013 12:13 PM

Mewtwo having Hurricane may have something to do with the movie. Perhaps Mewtwo knows it in the movie, but Sylveon is just in the movie short, I think the link between Mewtwo knowing Hurricane and Sylveon possibly being Flying type is kind of non existant.

Cyclone March 17th, 2013 12:48 PM

Just a reminder, Sylveon isn't confirmed Flying type yet. No point drawing a connection where it may not exist, even if it is speculation.

Cyclone

Jake♫ March 17th, 2013 2:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CycloneGU (Post 7585315)
Just a reminder, Sylveon isn't confirmed Flying type yet. No point drawing a connection where it may not exist, even if it is speculation.

Cyclone

Isn't that the whole point of speculating though? Trying to draw connections? I mean I don't see that Mewtwo getting Hurricane would lead to Sylveon being a Flying type, but that doesn't mean that theory can't be there =P

Cyclone March 17th, 2013 3:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jake♫ (Post 7585466)
Isn't that the whole point of speculating though? Trying to draw connections? I mean I don't see that Mewtwo getting Hurricane would lead to Sylveon being a Flying type, but that doesn't mean that theory can't be there =P

There's a limit even for speculation. I mean, if Sylveon isn't Flying type, then the other speculation is pointless. Better to confirm it's Flying type, then speculate about that. Heck, I'd join in at that point.

Cyclone

Xander Olivieri March 17th, 2013 3:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CycloneGU (Post 7585520)
There's a limit even for speculation. I mean, if Sylveon isn't Flying type, then the other speculation is pointless. Better to confirm it's Flying type, then speculate about that. Heck, I'd join in at that point.

Cyclone

All speculation is pointless, but done for enjoyment and wishful thinking. In reverse, if Sylveon were Flying type, all discussion and speculation about it not being Flying was pointless. Look at all the discussions we had for Pokemon Grey. It didn't happen. Did we waste all of our times dreaming and discussing? No we didn't. Speculations are just a general think tank for us to share what we think will happen and discuss the pros and cons not to mention defend our reasonings for having them.

vaporeon7 March 17th, 2013 3:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jake♫ (Post 7585466)
Isn't that the whole point of speculating though? Trying to draw connections? I mean I don't see that Mewtwo getting Hurricane would lead to Sylveon being a Flying type, but that doesn't mean that theory can't be there =P

I agree, half the fun of getting a new game is speculating anything and everything.

I think Mewtwo just has hurricane to make it unique, after all it isn't an event exclusive Pokémon.

Cyclone March 17th, 2013 3:51 PM

I do agree with Hurricane just being a unique move, and there must be something he does in the movie that symbolizes getting that move. Of course, we won't know until July.

Also, symbolizing about a possible future game (hey, we can still speculate about it even if it's not happening!) and speculating about ties between Pokémon are two completely different things, IMO. The thing is if it gets so intricate that people start thinking it's fact and spread it as gospel, then it's getting too far. Not saying it's happened here, just saying.

Cyclone

Jake♫ March 17th, 2013 4:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CycloneGU (Post 7585597)
Also, symbolizing about a possible future game (hey, we can still speculate about it even if it's not happening!) and speculating about ties between Pokémon are two completely different things, IMO. The thing is if it gets so intricate that people start thinking it's fact and spread it as gospel, then it's getting too far. Not saying it's happened here, just saying.

Cyclone

There's really no difference though. We're just speculating for the fun of speculating it, not spreading anything as truth. So if he wants to state that he sees a possible connection between two things for the heck of it, more power to them!

On a totally different topic, is there anything you guys absolutely DON'T want to see make a return in these games? Like a feature or something you thought was awful enough that you wouldn't want it to return? Me, I just want Rock Smash to disappear completely. It's such an obnoxious HM/TM that I don't want to return at all. They phased Flash out for the most part, let's continue that please.

Yamiidenryuu March 17th, 2013 4:09 PM

Actually, Mewtwo getting the move Hurricane from this event is likely a throwback to the first movie, where it starts a hurricane with its psychic power to show off its strength.

Cyclone March 17th, 2013 4:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yamiidenryuu (Post 7585627)
Actually, Mewtwo getting the move Hurricane from this event is likely a throwback to the first movie, where it starts a hurricane with its psychic power to show off its strength.

As far as theories go, this is a solid one.

Cyclone

vaporeon7 March 17th, 2013 4:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jake♫ (Post 7585620)
On a totally different topic, is there anything you guys absolutely DON'T want to see make a return in these games? Like a feature or something you thought was awful enough that you wouldn't want it to return? Me, I just want Rock Smash to disappear completely. It's such an obnoxious HM/TM that I don't want to return at all. They phased Flash out for the most part, let's continue that please.

MUSICALS MUSICALS MUSICALS

seriously, they just weren't fun.

Jake♫ March 17th, 2013 6:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7585700)
Fly. Pokemon that should fly naturally should be able to take you from place to place without the assistance of a ridiculous HM with no purpose whatsoever.

Agreed. It's silly that we need an HM when literally everything that learns Fly can do it naturally. It's rather pointless to be honest.

Keiran March 17th, 2013 9:01 PM

HMs are annoying, I agree. Some sort of field move system is necessary, though, I think. The whole thing needs a revamp. It would be much more interesting if (for example) those little hedges could be burned/cut by any Fire-type or Pokemon with claws etc. naturally without wasting a moveslot. Or if Psychic-types and grass-types with vines could lift you up cliffs or across ravines. Nearly every Pokemon type has some way to be useful outside of battles naturally, that I think HMs are superfluous and somewhat restrictive.

Mr. X March 17th, 2013 9:11 PM

I'm hoping that we get multiple status effects with this gen. (Being able to stack conditions - Poisoning and stunned pokemon, burning a poisoned pokemon, and so on.)

vaporeon7 March 18th, 2013 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. X (Post 7586008)
I'm hoping that we get multiple status effects with this gen. (Being able to stack conditions - Poisoning and stunned pokemon, burning a poisoned pokemon, and so on.)

I wouldn't like that, you could like use Rest to heal status, and get statused while your sleeping, it'd wreak the game.

http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=6534634

Mujahid March 18th, 2013 6:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. X (Post 7586008)
I'm hoping that we get multiple status effects with this gen. (Being able to stack conditions - Poisoning and stunned pokemon, burning a poisoned pokemon, and so on.)

While it puzzles me why i can't Poison a sleeping pokemon, i think it's fair. Multiple status ailments can be chaotic. However, what they can do is make the ailment worse . Like, If we poison a sleeping pokemon, It will loose Hp as long as it's sleeping. But once it wakes up, it'll be normal.

Zorogami March 18th, 2013 7:08 AM

I hope they don't allow for stacking up status illments in the new Gens. I think it's fair you can only have one illment at a time, it makes for some balanced battles. If stacking was possible, you could just get the opponent asleep, then paralyze and posion and burn him...doesn't really sound like fun or competitive battling to me

Cerberus87 March 18th, 2013 7:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Zorogami (Post 7586492)
I hope they don't allow for stacking up status illments in the new Gens. I think it's fair you can only have one illment at a time, it makes for some balanced battles. If stacking was possible, you could just get the opponent asleep, then paralyze and posion and burn him...doesn't really sound like fun or competitive battling to me

This is a staple of the series, it won't ever be changed.

It's like giving two types to attacks or three types to Pokémon. Won't happen.

Zorogami March 18th, 2013 7:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Cerberus87 (Post 7586531)
This is a staple of the series, it won't ever be changed.

It's like giving two types to attacks or three types to Pokémon. Won't happen.

That's my opinion as well, some things should just stay the same, we don't need to revolutionize everything

Archeops12354 March 18th, 2013 7:55 AM

Stacking status ailments will just leave the game broken, I think the status ailment system is just fine the way it is, thank you very much.

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7585700)
Pokemon that should fly naturally should be able to take you from place to place without the assistance of a ridiculous HM with no purpose whatsoever.


http://sprites.pokecheck.org/i/567.gifArcheops approves!

RandomDSdevel March 18th, 2013 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7579041)
I guess just to put it out there, I'm really not a huge fan of the XL series in general. I understand that they're for people for bigger hands, but for some reason, ever since the first introduction of the DSi XL, I just have never really felt the same towards bigger DSes as I feel that they were just borderline redundant, but that's just me, really. I'm sure they have their uses for those that find a purpose in them. u__u My hands aren't big anyway and are fine my regular 3DS, so I'm going to pass on this. In any case…

Off-topic: Yeah, what I really want is something about the width of (or maybe just a tad wider than) the original DS, just in a more modern style.

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Originally Posted by Elendil (Post 7579304)
Speaking of posters, I would love something like the Emerald Pre-order again. You got a Battle Frontier guide, a VIP pass to some online stuff and a poster, all in this amazing little tin box. I was such a happy 12 year old when I got it.

I fondly remember getting a poster with a combined, enlarged version of the box artwork from Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions on one side and an advertisement for Pokémon Coliseum (and maybe Pokémon Box: Ruby and Sapphire, too) on the other with my copy of FireRed instead of the Wireless Adapter (doggone it, I should have gotten that bundle instead of just resorting to my Link Cable – maybe the poster would still be there!)

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7580132)
I don't think it's the Internet as a whole but it's rather that smaller children apparently aren't expected to use the Internet (and I certainly didn't when I was first into Pokemon :x) So I assume the guide book will exist to cater to them, and also be a collectable this generation.

It doesn't help when you only have one computer to which your parents have allowed you access, …and they (or a sibling – I've got four, thank the stars that one of them, my older brother and the biggest food vacuum in the house, is currently on a mission to the southern tip of Brazil) are on the thing!

Cyclone March 18th, 2013 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by RandomDSdevel (Post 7586684)
It doesn't help when you only have one computer to which your parents have allowed you access, …and they (or a sibling – I've got four, thank the stars that one of them, my older brother and the biggest food vacuum in the house, is currently on a mission to the southern tip of Brazil) are on the thing!

All I can say is thank goodness for laptops. Personally mine, no one is telling me how to use it. Once my life is back together, I'll have a desktop again and be humming along doing whatever I need to.

Regarding stacking status ailments, I was surprised that we couldn't at first. I would expect that a Pokémon that is poisoned can still be put to sleep; after all, we have Full Restores. However, the game is programmed to only recognize one status, so in that sense, it makes sense.

Cyclone

Jake♫ March 18th, 2013 10:54 AM

Stacking status conditions would break the game. Maybe LOGICALLY it would make sense for status ailments to stack up, but in regards to the game it doesn't. It would break having individual items for each status condition, since now you're wasting two turns to heal yourself, while in the off-turn of healing the second condition you can now just be hit by another status move again.

Plus, it'd break competitive play completely. Playing offensive would be dead, since if you're stacking status conditions running something to sweep you're going to be so incapacitated that it wouldn't make sense. Running stall would be the only way to even be successful, since you'd be able to at least run stuff like Heal Bell/Aromatherapy more effectively. Natural Cure Pokémon would be even more present since they can now heal themselves.

tl;dr no stacking status

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 18th, 2013 11:13 AM

I agree, it would be broken.

Speaking status what if a status move can be used multiple times like say toxic, the more times you use it the more serious the damage from toxic is.

Jake♫ March 18th, 2013 11:18 AM

Still no. Different moves already causes different levels of Poison. Leave it at that please =P

Zorogami March 18th, 2013 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7586747)
Speaking status what if a status move can be used multiple times like say toxic, the more times you use it the more serious the damage from toxic is.

For being poisoned there is already "normal" poisoned and severly poisoned, so in a way it's a more serious form of the same illment. I think this would only work for burnt though, because how would being asleep, frozen or paralyzed change or become more severe?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 18th, 2013 11:33 AM

That's right, they should make a more severe burn move... and a deeper sleep one too...

Jake♫ March 18th, 2013 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7586773)
That's right, they should make a more severe burn move... and a deeper sleep one too...

No no no and no. Sleep is already pretty much an automatic KO with B/W's new sleep mechanics. Setting it into a deeper sleep for more turns? Not a single chance. As for burn, still no for me. It already halves Attack and does damage, what more do you really want it to do?

Zorogami March 18th, 2013 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jake♫ (Post 7586826)
No no no and no.

I don't want them to implement it either, as things are pretty much balanced imo.

Inverted Typhlosion March 18th, 2013 2:57 PM

In my opinion...

The starters look better than last time

The legendaries are pretty epic

But Sylveon? ...

Guy March 18th, 2013 2:58 PM

Stacking status conditions would be a terrible idea. I would say why, but it's already been said to a good extent.

As for making conditions like Burn more severe, I don't see why it should. Logically speaking, there should be more severe burns, paralysis, and sleeping condition moves, but each of these have secondary effects unlike poison which just takes away your HP every turn. So, I feel like in that way it's already pretty well balanced.

Cyclone March 18th, 2013 3:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Zorogami (Post 7586755)
For being poisoned there is already "normal" poisoned and severly poisoned, so in a way it's a more serious form of the same illment. I think this would only work for burnt though, because how would being asleep, frozen or paralyzed change or become more severe?

Indeed. Just what I want to do, cause an opponent to be severely frozen instead of just the basic frozen.

Granted, being frozen is sometimes useless. It can thaw immediately.

Cyclone

Miss Doronjo March 18th, 2013 3:09 PM

Well, I'm not so sure about the stacks of the [ FRZ ] status myself...

I mean, I want to ask the question that was asked from the other post(s); how can a pokemon become even more frozen than it already has? I mean, I would like to think that poison makes the most sense, because there is even more severe and life-threatening types of poison than others, but, I'm not sure if that applies to frozen.

Well, the only way that I see a more severe "frozen" status is that, a pokemon can be frozen in an extremely low temperature than the temperatures that would take for a pokemon to be frozen, like, say, liquid nitrogen having a boiling point of −196 °C, where it can rapidly freeze a pokemon's tissue on contact. And then, if a move would hit, it would shatter instantly, where it also "shatters" a pokemon instantly?

...This made more sense in my mind. @[email protected]

Z25 March 18th, 2013 3:15 PM

So anyone else see the rumor going around that shows the zangoose evolution and pre evolution along with a 3d image of what may big ben and a building near it?

Zorogami March 18th, 2013 3:20 PM

Very first time i'm hearing of this rumor. Any pictures to support that??

Jake♫ March 18th, 2013 3:23 PM

@The stacking freeze status, that would just be...ridiculously overpowered. If you could manage to stack that freeze, and any hit would theoretically shatter it, that's almost introducing death into the game. It's not fainting if it's shattered into pieces. Definitely don't see that happening ever.

Yamiidenryuu March 18th, 2013 4:17 PM

Please, post a link to that rumour or that picture. I want to see this.

Jake♫ March 18th, 2013 4:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7587131)
...This is the first time I've heard of this rumour as well. o_O Zangoose shouldn't have an evolution, since it's already ridiculously strong as it is...

Minus the four move slot syndrome thing, but yeah it's rather strong =P I wouldn't mind a pre-evolution for it and Seviper though (since they kind of go hand in hand). But yes, a link to this rumor would be wonderful.

Zorogami March 18th, 2013 5:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7587131)
Zangoose shouldn't have an evolution, since it's already ridiculously strong as it is...

I totally agree, and wouldn't it be kinda unfair if his "rival" Pokemon, Seviper, didn't get an evo too?

Cyclone March 18th, 2013 8:51 PM

If Zangoose and Seviper get evolutions, I wonder if they will remain lifelong rivals or if they will be at peace. I think it would be ironic if the former rivals, once both evolved, respect each other.

Cyclone

Zorogami March 19th, 2013 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7587361)
Or remain even fiercer competitiors, which would seemingly make more sense? To me, at least. xD;

Haha that's the way i see it too! And it would fit better, especially for Seviper, he just looks like a back-stabbing Pokemon

Ho-Oh March 19th, 2013 5:04 AM

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Originally Posted by CycloneGU (Post 7587349)
If Zangoose and Seviper get evolutions, I wonder if they will remain lifelong rivals or if they will be at peace. I think it would be ironic if the former rivals, once both evolved, respect each other.

Cyclone

All I hope is that they both receive evolutions (if one gets it the other has to!) I assume they'll still be fighting, though...

Pinkie-Dawn March 19th, 2013 5:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7587716)
Besides, if we're talking about pairs evolving, then why not give Plusle and Minun evos too, just out of curiosity and see what it would be like? :x

Pikachu clones, apparently, don't receive evolutions, which has become yet another traditional pattern on the dex roster alongside of the regional rodent/bird and early route bug types.

Zorogami March 19th, 2013 8:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7587716)
Besides, if we're talking about pairs evolving, then why not give Plusle and Minun evos too, just out of curiosity and see what it would be like? :x

Forget all other Pikachu copies, i think Plusle and Minun deserve an evolution!
But it really is odd how they are not officially connected somehow to each other...especially when you look at pachirisu, who is basically a squirrel, and emolga, who is basically a...flying squirrel?

Cyclone March 19th, 2013 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7588006)
Eh yeah. Sometimes I wonder why Pachirisu doesn't kind of evolve into Emolga, considering they're similar to each other in that aspect. @[email protected];;

It actually kind of makes you wonder what the Pikachu clone in this generation might be huh? xD

An underground Electric squirrel. No?

The reason Emolga doesn't come from Pachirisu is simple: Unova is a stand-alone generation at the time B/W came out. Nothing connects to past generations. It's like the difference between New York and Tokyo.

Cyclone

dewdott March 19th, 2013 11:09 AM

its sweet how they came out with 3d world for Pokemon

Jake♫ March 19th, 2013 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7588026)
Um, I'm not quite sure where you're getting at with the "nothing connects to past generations". oo; If Gamefreak really wanted to, they could've done so already, there's very little separating the two squirrels aside from....well..their region?? I mean, it would make perfect sense, it would kind of be like the whole Luvdisc/Alomomola scenario, where we figure one is an evolution of another but it really isn't, but should be. That kinda stuff.

I think the point he was trying to make was that Unova was considered a new start, so nothing would be related to anything from past generations. With that logic, Pachirisu and Emolga wouldn't be related, even with a similar appearance, because they aren't both from Unova. At least I'm assuming that's what Cyclone meant, but feel free to correct me!

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 19th, 2013 11:50 AM

I'm hoping that instead of a new electric rodent line we get an pre/evolution or pre/evolutions to an older line sort of like generation 2 which had Pichu for it's electric rodent. If not then they should make a stage line like Gen 1.

Xander Olivieri March 19th, 2013 12:19 PM

Gamefreak themselves said no Pokemon from Generation 5 has any tie into the generations before. You'll just have to accept that they aren't related.

Also, Marill has an evolution, so the Pikachu Clones do have at least one that evolved. Marill is the supposed Pikachu Clone for Gen 2 despite it being water typed, its still an elemental mouse and was originally the mascot for Gen 2.

As for pairs that evolve without the other evolving, Jynx didn't get an evolution when she was part of a trio with Electabuzz and Magmar. People have sense written her out, but she was part of that trio. Gloom got a split evolution while Weepinbel didn't, and like the Jynx/Magmar/Electabuzz trio, they were an unofficial pair.

You also have Dusclops who evolved in Gen 4 while his supposed pair Bannett didn't get an evolution. So they've done this a few times. Its not something unheard of.

Zangoose getting add ons doesn't mean much other than Zangoose gets an add on. He's not in a pair with Seviper rather he's a rival to seviper. They can still evolve without one another.

As for officially recognized pairs or Tag Battle Pokemon, it would seem a little weird if one got an evolution when the other doesn't, though that's only like 3 lines. Illumise/Volbeat (since they share an egg), Plusel/Minun, and the Nidotwins. If they aren't like these three I can see only one evolving.


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