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tnfsf11 March 31st, 2013 1:05 PM

I would love secondary starters!
But I don't think they will make much difference, they will just be regarded as rare Pokemon you can get later in the game, & getting them depends on whether I want a pure fire/grass/water type in my team or not, I mean you would obviously choose a hybrid over a pure right?

Rivvon March 31st, 2013 1:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7602496)
I don't think protagonist artwork would really need an international announcement, though. :(

It seems like everything will be an international announcement at this point; the only thing we didn't get at the same time was Sylveon because that was leaked a little early in Japan, and the names of Xerneas and Ylveltal a little early outside of Japan.

Protagonist artwork by itself may not warrant an entire announcement, but I think it may be what Masuda is revealing. If the protagonists' artwork doesn't match up to the 3D models we saw in the trailer (with glasses, for example) then it could lead into a reveal of customizable protagonists, if that is happening. Or it could even be the region map--something that we usually get early on that we haven't gotten this time around.

I'm sure the card the Smash cast was holding was the official artwork of the new Pokémon. I'm excited to see what it is! I'm thinking it might be this gen's electric rodent, or another "cute" "mascot" like Minccino. It may be the basic bird but usually that's revealed alongside the basic rodent. And I'm really hoping it's not another Eevee evolution. But that's always a possibility.

Sabrewulf238 March 31st, 2013 1:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AnonygooseD (Post 7603006)
I would love secondary starters!
But I don't think they will make much difference, they will just be regarded as rare Pokemon you can get later in the game, & getting them depends on whether I want a pure fire/grass/water type in my team or not, I mean you would obviously choose a hybrid over a pure right?

It only mentions that the first form is pure grass/fire/water. The evolutions would possibly have different types.

It hardly matters though since it's obviously fake.

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Originally Posted by Rivvon (Post 7603034)
I'm sure the card the Smash cast was holding was the official artwork of the new Pokémon.

What are you talking about? They were holding a card with a question mark on it. I don't see the connection between a generic question mark and official pokemon artwork.

Xander Olivieri March 31st, 2013 2:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sabrewulf238 (Post 7603051)
What are you talking about? They were holding a card with a question mark on it. I don't see the connection between a generic question mark and official pokemon artwork.

Behind the question mark would be the official art work. Its the same exact thing I said when I posted that there were three different cardboard cards. Two have colored backgrounds, one red the other blue, and the ? on it. Both are covering what is really on those cards.

We know we are getting a new 3D image as that was the third image shown. One of the two covered cards is most likely the official artwork.

Z25 March 31st, 2013 2:51 PM

Here are my guesses on the announcement: another eeveelution being a new type( sound type and sylveon light), mewtwo's new form( seems to be hinted by nintendo in the new movie), or just a pokemon of a new type.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 31st, 2013 3:33 PM

A second eevolution is possible, we still have time before the movie short too...and Sylveon's method and type has yet to be revealed...they could reveal that info together with the info with this one.

Wobbu March 31st, 2013 10:13 PM

The red ? box could reveal Yveltal's type, and the blue ? box could reveal Xerneas's type.

Ho-Oh April 1st, 2013 1:09 AM

Honestly I would LOVE a second set of starters soooo much so I hope that rumour is true. I mean I really hoped it from the start ;_; PLEASE GF. PLEASE.

Liberal Army April 1st, 2013 1:55 AM

Well I think we'll get to see the small, cute event legendary. You know, just like Victini and Jirachi.
And is.it just me who sees something above the questionmark from the battle screen? looks like 2 gray ears...

Moist April 1st, 2013 2:20 AM

Hopefully its an evo or pre-evo of an existing pokemon. I love pre-evos and evos of existing pokemon. If the grey ears thing is true, could be a purugly evolution? idk.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 1st, 2013 5:41 AM

I want it to have an evolution so I hope so :3 .
Mightyena,Absol, and Tropius evos work too (not saying they're grey, I just want evolutions of them this generation).

Co500 April 1st, 2013 6:24 AM

I really hope they reveal more than just one pokemon, maybe a family of all 3 evos, or one that looks like a new type ( if there is indeed going to be a new type)

Scarecr0wFixatioN April 1st, 2013 6:53 AM

I'm guessing its going to be one pokemon, that's probably going to be really relevant towards something, a regional map and maybe minor details. I just can't seem them revealing a regional bug and leaving it at that. They seem to be hyping it up a bit.

blue April 1st, 2013 7:12 AM

It must be a Pokemon playing a major role in the game given the amount of publicisation it has gained, perhaps the third legendary counterpart to Yveltal & Xerneas?

Liberal Army April 1st, 2013 8:42 AM

Or the unexpected: Ruby/Sapphire remakes! Blue box is Sapphire and red box Is Ruby.
I know its not going to happen since we have to wait after the releases of X and Y.

Xander Olivieri April 1st, 2013 8:58 AM

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Originally Posted by GreatTornado (Post 7603930)
Hopefully its an evo or pre-evo of an existing pokemon. I love pre-evos and evos of existing pokemon. If the grey ears thing is true, could be a purugly evolution? idk.

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7604073)
I want it to have an evolution so I hope so :3 .
Mightyena,Absol, and Tropius evos work too (not saying they're grey, I just want evolutions of them this generation).

We have a better chance of a brand new Pokemon rather than an addition to an existing right now. We got Sylveon last time and it wasn't announced albeit hinted at. Since this one is just "NEW POKEMON!" Its most likely a new Pokemon.

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Originally Posted by Co500 (Post 7604132)
I really hope they reveal more than just one pokemon, maybe a family of all 3 evos, or one that looks like a new type ( if there is indeed going to be a new type)

There was only one battle screen so chance are its either a stage to one family or a single stage Pokemon.

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Originally Posted by Scarecr0wFixatioN (Post 7604176)
I'm guessing its going to be one pokemon, that's probably going to be really relevant towards something, a regional map and maybe minor details. I just can't seem them revealing a regional bug and leaving it at that. They seem to be hyping it up a bit.

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7604195)
It must be a Pokemon playing a major role in the game given the amount of publicisation it has gained, perhaps the third legendary counterpart to Yveltal & Xerneas?

First Pokemon revealed for Black and White played no major part in the games at all. Some of the leaks after that were just random Pokemon that didn't have any major focus. We already got the big guys out, Starters, Legends and a Movie focus, so this can be any random Pokemon.

SolarAbusoru April 1st, 2013 10:49 AM

I'm guessing the Pokémon shown will probably be this generation's Rattata-mon

Shiny Celebi April 1st, 2013 11:50 AM

It could really be anything. I kinda hope for some random interesting Pokemon that isnt an early bird/bug/rodent.

vaporeon7 April 1st, 2013 4:03 PM

Maybe it's be which ever Pokémon that will be important in the anime, like Axew.

Expro April 1st, 2013 5:30 PM

Do you guys remember when black and white was just being announced? Yeah, Zoroark was revealed as a silhouette. So maybe this is a Pokemon that plays some big role in the game or future movies. That's what I think. I hope it's a cool looking Pokemon!

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 1st, 2013 7:30 PM

Perhaps, I remember the merchandise had two '?', if one of them wasn't Mewtwo it's possible this is the second one. Or perhaps they haven't revealed all the number of unknowns...

Pinkie-Dawn April 1st, 2013 8:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7605018)
Perhaps, I remember the merchandise had two '?', if one of them wasn't Mewtwo it's possible this is the second one. Or perhaps they haven't revealed all the number of unknowns...

The two '?' were already revealed to be Mewtwo and Sylveon, so there really isn't any new Pokemon/formes to reveal for the movie. So what might be revealed could be a random new Pokemon for the game.

Ho-Oh April 1st, 2013 9:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Expro (Post 7604870)
Do you guys remember when black and white was just being announced? Yeah, Zoroark was revealed as a silhouette. So maybe this is a Pokemon that plays some big role in the game or future movies. That's what I think. I hope it's a cool looking Pokemon!

Maybe! But Zoroark was also revealed first, and around February too, so really early on. And Sylveon kind of took that role. Maybe we won't get a Zoroark-type-Pokemon this generation :x

WeavileCY April 2nd, 2013 2:17 AM

I absolutely cannot wait for October this autumn when the new Generation of Pokemon is released!
This new Generation of Pokemon will be great...
But here are a few ideas on how the new games could be fun and enjoyable:

The three starter Pokemon need awesome-looking evolutions;

Fennekin doesn't become a Fire / Fighting type, it would be old and repetitive;

The three starter Pokemon's third evolution's secondary types are Psychic, Dark and Fighting (They counter each other Psychic<Dark<Fighting<Psychic - although Dark is immune to Psychic so this wouldn't be the best idea...);

The legendary mascots aren't Dragon types like the last two generations (Dialga and Palkia didn't LOOK like Dragons...);

We see new pre-evolutions and new evolutions of old Pokemon;

There aren't too many new Pokemon with complicated names and designs (Alomomola anyone?), some new Pokemon with retro designs would be nice;

The new Pokemon aren't based off of food (Vanilluxe) or real-life objects (Garbodor), or if they are, please hope they aren't too silly looking or are powerful and fun to use;

James Turner doesn't design any Pokemon! (I kid of course, I'm sure if he were to design new Pokemon, they would new ecsentric and good, but many hold him responsible for the less well designed Pokemon of Gen 5 - Vanillite, Vanillish, Vanilluxe, Vullaby, Mandibuzz. Although he did design Gollet and Golurk!);

There is a huge post story (New Islands, Pokemon, Battle Frontier, Legendary Pokemon, Puzzles like the Generation 3 Regi's Puzzle, Re-challenge GYM's, Harder Elite 4, World Tornament, Battle Subway etc...)

AND MAYBE

Walk with Pokemon (I know it wans't in the trailer, but it did say "Game footage not final", so you never know. It could be a toggle on/off feature that helps you bond with your Pokemon - help them evolve quicker!);

Have muiltiple regions (It would be nice to visit a full 3D Unova or another past/new region as a post-game challenge)

BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY...

NO ZUBAT OR TENTACRUEL (Or there Gen 5/6 equivalent) :D Only Joking ;)

Hope you like my ideas. I did like the Ice-Cream Trio, Trubbish or Garbodor and Vullaby or Mandibuzz, I was just joining in with their mocking as a joke and I think that the starter's don't look good for this new generation. I will be choosing Fennekin however because I love fire types!

Pinkie-Dawn April 2nd, 2013 6:34 AM

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Originally Posted by WeavileCY (Post 7605340)
Fennekin doesn't become a Fire / Fighting type;

It needs it to be neutralized by Stealth Rock's damage, but a Ground typing also works.

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The three starter Pokemon's third evolution's secondary types are Psychic, Dark and Fighting (They counter each other Psychic<Dark<Fighting<Psychic);
No starter trio is known to have one starter being immune by one of the other starter's secondary types, so it's not gonna happen.

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The legendary mascots aren't Dragon types;
None of the mascots look like Dragon types.

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The new Pokemon don't have long / complicated names / designs;
Are you by any chance is a lazy fanartist? Just because a Pokemon has a more complex design than the Pokemon in Gen 1 and 2 doesn't mean they're bad; it usually means that the people complaining about the designs don't want to waste "precious" time drawing those designs when they want to draw fanart of those Pokemon.

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The new Pokemon aren't based off of food (Vanilluxe) or real-life objects (Garbodor);
Not gonna happen. Also, Cherrim and Magneton say hi.

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James Turner doesn't design any Pokemon! (He was responsible for Vanillite, Vanillish, Vanilluxe, Vullaby, Mandibuzz);
Oh yes, let's not allow a guy who brought the idea of Harmoknight to design Pokemon who happen to be decent on their own role.

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AND MAYBE
Walk with Pokemon;
The trailer showed that they aren't bringing it back.

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Have muiltiple regions...
It's actually not the best idea; just look at Kanto in the Gen 2 games for example. Plus, the level curve...

BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY...

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NO ZUBAT OR TENTACRUEL :D
Woobat and Frillish's existance will inevitably take their place in future games.

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Hope you like my ideas, let me point out that these are MY ideas and MY views. I didn't like the Ice-Cream Tri, Trubbish or Garbodor and Vullaby or Mandibuzz and I think that the starter's don't look good. I will be choosing Fennekin however because I love fire types!
And it is MY idea to criticize your ideas on how they're either flawed or proven wrong base from our current information about XY. I would like to see what kind of food or inanimate object will be turned into a Pokemon this gen.

Mark Kamill April 2nd, 2013 6:36 AM

http://i.imgur.com/d8hbFLI.png
More then one new Eeveelution on its way?

Rebel Rebel April 2nd, 2013 7:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Elendil (Post 7605507)
More then one new Eeveelution on its way?

Well, we are due for a new Pokémon reveal on Smash this weekend, so if there is another Eeveelution, that's when they'll reveal it. I really hope there is a second one, just because I love Eeveelutions but I'm not very fond of Sylveon honestly.

But I don't really think that will happen; the new Pokémon will probably just be the Lucario/Zoroark of this gen.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 2nd, 2013 7:39 AM

The other sign makes me think Ground...maybe the other eeveelution, if there is one, is going to be a ground eevee (statue which eevee along with a group of ground types may actually mean something...).

Pinkie-Dawn April 2nd, 2013 7:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Radio Rebel (Post 7605563)
Well, we are due for a new Pokémon reveal on Smash this weekend, so if there is another Eeveelution, that's when they'll reveal it. I really hope there is a second one, just because I love Eeveelutions but I'm not very fond of Sylveon honestly.

It can't be another Eeveelution, because all the question marks from the movie merchandise have been revealed (Mewtwo and Sylveon).

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But I don't really think that will happen; the new Pokémon will probably just be the Lucario/Zoroark of this gen.
Doubt it, Mewtwo stole that spot for the Lucario clone in the Genesect movie, so the new Gen VI Pokemon may not be of importance to the merchandise.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 2nd, 2013 7:52 AM

That's true, however as I said earlier it may be that they haven't released their merchandise yet (not sure why they'll not at least give it a ?). Or maybe they didn't plan to include this second eeveelution into the movie but decided to add it so that it'll be alongside it's counterpart. Usually eeveelutions aren't introduced in the anime together...or at least that's been the case with Johto and Sinnoh's that I remember.

Esper April 2nd, 2013 9:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Elendil (Post 7605507)
http://i.imgur.com/d8hbFLI.png
More then one new Eeveelution on its way?

I'm sure that's just a case of them using a color they hadn't used yet for the guy's name, nothing more. I mean, if you're going to assume it means something then why not also look at the smiley face?

JayTheKing April 2nd, 2013 11:04 AM

A new pokemon revealed on Smash?Is that 100%

I found this nice song,You might have heard it already
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rPhkQFfWLVM

It made me more anxious about gen 6 :)

vaporeon7 April 2nd, 2013 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7605144)
Maybe! But Zoroark was also revealed first, and around February too, so really early on. And Sylveon kind of took that role. Maybe we won't get a Zoroark-type-Pokemon this generation :x

I don't think we'll get another one. Zoroark and Lucario were the stars of their movies, but we already know that belongs to Mewtwo and Genesect.

Cyclone April 2nd, 2013 1:41 PM

There's been two Eeveelutions every time (except the first time, three elemental stones used for those three). I'm going with Eeveelution.

Cyclone

Sabrewulf238 April 2nd, 2013 2:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7605994)
That said though, what would it be a counterpart of, and where would it fit? I think that's the big question more than anything else right now (at least, to me)?

Well the symbol is orange so at a guess, if it is an eeveelution.....and assuming Sylveon is Flying type. The second new eeveelution could be ground type.

I could see them having it like that. After all both Espeon & Umbrean and Glaceon and Leafeon were sort of like opposites of each other.

Cyclone April 2nd, 2013 2:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7605994)
Keep in mind that fifth gen introduced no new eeveelutions. So it wasn't exactly "every single time". Third Gen also never introduced any new eeveelutions, so it'd be pretty hard to tell what new eeveelution is really coming our way, if it turns out to be a new one.

That said though, what would it be a counterpart of, and where would it fit? I think that's the big question more than anything else right now (at least, to me)?

Allow me to rephrase that.

"...every single time new Eeveelutions were introduced". Which was twice.

Cyclone

Shiny Celebi April 2nd, 2013 2:49 PM

This may very well be an exception to that. Why would Sylveon be revealed on it's own to star in the movie short if there were two new ones. Why let one hog the spotlight when there could be two. It just dosent really make sense to me. If there were two,I think they'd both be unveiled at the same time and hyped. Unveiling another one now seems highly unusual.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 2nd, 2013 6:32 PM

Or it could be Flying, or rock. Ground makes more sense to me color however ground isn't weak against Flying nor is it strong against it (flying being immune to it) while one member of the even post gen 1 eeveelution duos have been strong or weak against the other. If Sylveon is Dragon it still wouldn't make sense...of course they may break this pattern, plus Jolteon has yet to have an eeveelution that's strong against it as only a ground eeveelution can do that.

If Sylveon is still a single it'll make sense as Dragon is weak against well Dragon (and Ice but Glaceon already covers Ice :3 ).

Cyclone April 2nd, 2013 7:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7606089)
Whatever new type is introduced also has to be Sylveon's counterpart. Meaning that if Sylveon is flying, then maybe it stands to reason that this thing is ground-typed.

I think you're onto something here! The analysis of them being related in some way by type means Flying is a MUST for Sylveon to match with Ground; however, Grass and Ice don't really match with each other, do they? You never know what GF will do.

Cyclone

Esper April 2nd, 2013 7:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7606089)
Whatever new type is introduced also has to be Sylveon's counterpart. Meaning that if Sylveon is flying, then maybe it stands to reason that this thing is ground-typed.

Unless it's Fighting-type, which is just switching the roles and making Sylveon's (presumable) Flying-type the one with the advantage. It would also create the Fighting-Psychic-Dark trio with Espeon and Umbreon. And Fighting-types are represented with a kind of red-orange-brown color depending on the media.

Xander Olivieri April 2nd, 2013 7:49 PM

I doubt the symbols with the actor's name means we get a new Eevee Evolution.

Also just because we got 2 Eevee evolutions two times before doesn't mean anything. All of the Eevee Evolutions are also "Special Typed" But since that means only one possible eevee evolution everyone just dismisses it.

Based on what I could make out with the picture, the new Pokemon being shown is either tall, flying in the air, or levitating in the image because you can see a small lump over part of the circled ?.

Sylveon is also the center for a movie. It makes no sense for them to center a full movie on 1 Pokemon include all the other evolutions and not include the other one. Based on all the promotion for Sylveon, its the only new one.

Echidna April 2nd, 2013 8:49 PM

Idk if you guys have seen this, but Team Fail showed me this video yesterday. This is probably an AF Prank but it looks cool, also be warned, possible(yet very unlikely) spoilers:
Spoiler:

Treecko April 2nd, 2013 11:24 PM

Hey so this has been floating around the internet and is considered a new form for Mewtwo.



Not confirmed as a real thing, but Serebii has posted it to their website. Looks photoshopped though.

Please not be real. Please not be real.Please not be real.Please not be real.Please not be real.Please not be real.Please not be real.Please not be real. Please not be real.Please not be real.Please not be real.Please not be real.Please not be real.Please not be real.Please not be real. :(

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Originally Posted by PEDRO12 (Post 7606402)
Idk if you guys have seen this, but Team Fail showed me this video yesterday. This is probably an AF Prank but it looks cool, also be warned, possible(yet very unlikely) spoilers:
Spoiler:

Kind of cute. Though it looks pretty fake to me. I'd love if it's real though.

Edit: oh wait it say April Fools in the title.

Ho-Oh April 2nd, 2013 11:45 PM

The fact that Serebii posted it means he must be somewhat sure that it'll be confirmed real, but idk. It just looks ugly and if Mewtwo would get a better forme it wouldn't look like that... ? ;_;

Treecko April 3rd, 2013 12:15 AM

Yeah that thing's hideous. Some people say it's a photoshopped version of this poster.


And it really does to me. I think if they were to introduce a new forme for Mewtwo, they wouldn't just use the same poster they made before but slightly edited would they? I think they would make an entirely new poster right?

Also I don;t want a new form. Mewtwo's great the way it is so you shouldn't fix what's not broken. I don't get why every legendary Pokemon needs a new form nowadays. :cross-eye

Ho-Oh April 3rd, 2013 12:18 AM

Oh hey that really does look Photoshopped. The fact that it's so close to that poster makes me not believe it at all, really. Here's hoping fake? :/

SolarAbusoru April 3rd, 2013 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7606507)
The fact that Serebii posted it means he must be somewhat sure that it'll be confirmed real, but idk. It just looks ugly and if Mewtwo would get a better forme it wouldn't look like that... ? ;_;

Serebii have said there is absolutely no confirmation of this being real.

Also, I have noticed some inconsistencies between Mewtwo in both pictures
http://i49.tinypic.com/2m7t91l.jpg
1: His "Headband" in the right picture, it doesn't even connect to his head properly.
2: His neck is drawn rather shoddily, it looks fine on the left, but in the picture on the right, it's drawn in a way that makes his lower jaw look as flat as a pancake.
3: His hip pauldron, on the left it's smooth and round, on the right it has a section that juts out.
4: Posters in Japanese magazines, do not have a massive blank white border, they always fill every bit of space up.
Also to note is that the artist tried to mask the inconsistencies by crumpling up the paper but if anything this just makes them stand out way more, it doesn't look professional at all.
And finally, it's way too early for CoroCoro, heck the magazine shouldn't even be finished yet.

Ho-Oh April 3rd, 2013 12:31 AM

He didn't say it was confirmed but the fact is he normally leaves uncomfirmed stuff off the site for the most part, really.

Good analysis though! Hoping it's fake anyway. :3

Sabrewulf238 April 3rd, 2013 2:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7606540)
He didn't say it was confirmed but the fact is he normally leaves uncomfirmed stuff off the site for the most part, really.

Good analysis though! Hoping it's fake anyway. :3

He's also still human. It could be a slip up.

That's one big negative to Serebii, since he has a reputation for not posting fakes. If he makes a mistake people will still follow him like sheep.

The new mewtwo form looks like something from dragonball z.

Mujahid April 3rd, 2013 3:01 AM

What in the world is that thing ? That looks hideous. I really hope it's fake. Damn, it'll completely ruin mewtwo for me.

Guy April 3rd, 2013 3:10 AM

Gosh, that things is hideous. D:

I know there's been some speculation around the internet about Mewtwo getting a new form for the movie, but please, not anything like that. What's coming out from behind his head? That looks so weird.

Given how it has been going around for a few hours now, I would have hoped someone would have come up and claimed it as a fake or something. Still time, I suppose.

Sabrewulf238 April 3rd, 2013 3:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7606650)
The thing is, why would Mewtwo even need a new form? It's kind of one of those legendaries that are super powerful enough to live without one, so I don't really see it as necessary for it to have one. That being said though, where's Mew's role in all of this? I find it extremely odd that, if it's true that Mewtwo were to be given a new form, that Mew doesn't, so not a lot of things are adding up here.

I'm calling a fib on this one, really.

Do any legendary really need new forms though?

I always figured new forms was just a way to increase hype.

Guy April 3rd, 2013 3:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7606650)
The thing is, why would Mewtwo even need a new form? It's kind of one of those legendaries that are super powerful enough to live without one, so I don't really see it as necessary for it to have one. That being said though, where's Mew's role in all of this? I find it extremely odd that, if it's true that Mewtwo were to be given a new form, that Mew doesn't, so not a lot of things are adding up here.

I'm calling a fib on this one, really.

Why does any Pokémon need a new form?

While I agree, Mewtwo certainly doesn't need some new form, it doesn't give GameFreak a good enough reason not to do it. I just have to believe that if they were to do so, they would do something a whole lot better than that... thing.

Mew doesn't necessarily have to have its own form either if Mewtwo were to be given one. Mewtwo is a man-made Pokémon, genetically created by scientists using a strand of Mew's DNA. Other than that link, the two Pokémon are vastly different from one another, more so in the games than in the anime. So if Mewtwo were to have its own form, it could come from its genetic make up allowing it to change. Mew doesn't have to have anything to do with that. It is its own Pokémon.

Ho-Oh April 3rd, 2013 3:46 AM

Mewtwo technically isn't a mascot legendary. Sure it's a major legendary but it isn't a mascot like uhh Venusaur etc in those generations so it could get another forme - and Mew on the other hand didn't need to because maybe it'd be merged with Mewtwo to create said forme??

Rebel Rebel April 3rd, 2013 3:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7606680)
Except, don't forget that it would be extremely inconsistent, and I can tell that GF doesn't really swing that way. Remember back in late Gen IV when Giratina was given it's Origin form, and then we saw it in action even in movie style. It was powerful yes (and heck, you can see Origin form winning against Dialga in Movie 11 (at least, I think that's the right movie)), but by no means was it too significantly overpowered. That's what I'm saying here. There has not been one instance in a main Pokemon game whereas one of the mascot legendaries got an alternate form while the other mascot stayed behind. It just wouldn't seem...right, y'know?

So far, all of the mascot legendaries seem to be left alone, so I don't see why GF would feel the need to change Mewtwo in any way.

I don't understand what you're trying to say. You talk about a mascot legendary getting a new form (Giratina) while the others didn't (Dialga and Palkia), then say something about how strong they are (which doesn't seem relevant to your argument at all), and then try to say Mewtwo won't get a new form because they never only give one mascot legendary a new form, even though you literally just talked about them doing exactly that (and Mewtwo isn't a mascot anyway).

Guy April 3rd, 2013 4:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7606695)
I mean, I guess what I'm saying that is I think Mewtwo would just have some huge unfair advantage to it's counterpart, I suppose. u__u

Mewtwo already has a bigger advantage over Mew given its higher stats and a total base state of 680; 80 more than Mew's total base stats. The way I see it, they were never equal counterparts to begin with. Compare that to Giratina who shared the same total base stats with Dialga and Palkia, even in its Origin Form.

Like I said, Mewtwo and Mew only share a connection due to their shared DNA, other than that, the two are very much their own separate entities. So Mewtwo getting an alternate form (if that even turns out to be a real thing at all) wouldn't really have anything to do with Mew in my opinion.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 3rd, 2013 5:32 AM

Well Kyurem did get an advantage with it's new formes against it's trio after having a disadvantage in it's original forme. So trios have had one member with a new forme while the rest don't.
Also if they were to give Mewtwo a new forme it could get the Giratina treatment or even the Keldeo treatment to keep it from becoming more uneven... the last one would be stupid however imo.

Spherical Ice April 3rd, 2013 6:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7606650)
The thing is, why would Mewtwo even need a new form? It's kind of one of those legendaries that are super powerful enough to live without one, so I don't really see it as necessary for it to have one. That being said though, where's Mew's role in all of this? I find it extremely odd that, if it's true that Mewtwo were to be given a new form, that Mew doesn't, so not a lot of things are adding up here.

I'm calling a fib on this one, really.

Well, Mewtwo was a genetically engineered Pokémon so maybe this is TR's attempt to make it even better? I don't see why Mew would need to get affected. With that said, I do hope that if Mewtwo gets a new forme that this isn't it because...for one thing the r34 will be everywhere.

Pinkie-Dawn April 3rd, 2013 6:18 AM

Why exactly does Mewtwo need a new forme? Wouldn't that make him way too overpowered than he is now (unless they pull a Keldeo on him)? But now that I think about it, if Mewtwo does get a new forme, it might as well be his final smash if he was able to come back in the next SSB title, which is a clever marketing strategy.

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7606663)
I can actually understand a few. There were a few that needed it (like Shaymin, for example, and perhaps Giratina just for the sake of story and background purposes, I suppose. At least there was some sort of story surrounding it, in the form of a movie). And there were a few that kind of didn't need it (Kami trio, really, along with Keldeo to some sort of extent?). So ultimately, I can see why the whole concept would be used to create hype.

But hype is really the only reason why this image of a deformed Mewtwo is even floating around the internet, nothing more.

The reason they gave the Kamis new formes is because of the complaints about them being recolors, and yet now the same people are complaining about them having different formes, which shows contradictory within the fanbase.

WeavileCY April 3rd, 2013 7:01 AM

I can't wait for this new generation!

Sabrewulf238 April 3rd, 2013 7:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 7606792)
The reason they gave the Kamis new formes is because of the complaints about them being recolors, and yet now the same people are complaining about them having different formes, which shows contradictory within the fanbase.

Who says it's the same people?

What if the people who didn't complain about them being recolours are now complaining about their new formes and the people who did complain about them being recolours are now perfectly content and quiet.

The fanbase isn't one whole entity with one singular opinion. Chances are when one section of the community becomes content another section of the community starts getting the hump. You can't please everyone.

Liberal Army April 3rd, 2013 7:19 AM

This is fake. Definitely. Just look at it.
And btw, the Mewtwo from the movie is distributed over Wi-Fi for any gen. V games. So there is no way that Mewtwo can change in its new forme.

blue April 3rd, 2013 7:40 AM

That new Mewtwo forme looks too... Idk, it looks legit but I'd still wait until confirmation.

Xander Olivieri April 3rd, 2013 8:49 AM

Its definately photoshoped.

Love how some people who deny it being a new form but still want it to be real are calling it Mew3

Xander Olivieri April 3rd, 2013 8:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7606924)
Which is also kind of funny, because I'd imagine if Mewthree would've ever existed, it would be a lot better looking than that.

People would say the same for a Mewtwo alternate form.

Sabrewulf238 April 3rd, 2013 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7606921)
Its definately photoshoped.

Love how some people who deny it being a new form but still want it to be real are calling it Mew3

I saw somebody on deviantart call it: Mewfuuu

He wasn't really pleased with the design.

Guy April 3rd, 2013 11:45 AM

Someone's trying to pull an April Fool's joke on everyone it seems. There's still no word on whether it's real or not, but I'm willing to call it a fake. Over at PokéBeach's main page, they do a lot of dissecting of the two scans in question and they point out a number of inconsistencies on top of what SolarAbusoru mentioned on the previous page.

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Originally Posted by legendhunter14 (Post 7606844)
And btw, the Mewtwo from the movie is distributed over Wi-Fi for any gen. V games. So there is no way that Mewtwo can change in its new forme.

Not to say it's real or that this will happen, but there's always a chance that the Mewtwo event can be a key to unlocking something else in X/Y ─ in this case, a new form. For example, the Shiny Beasts event that was distributed for any of the Gen IV games as promotion for the Zoroak movie. If you transferred any one of the three beasts into Black and White, you could unlock a Zoroak in the game. Albeit, that movie did star a fifth gen Pokémon in it, while we have no word as to whether any new Pokémon from X and Y will star in this new movie other than Sylveon in the new Pikachu short.

Echidna April 3rd, 2013 11:57 AM

And the video said April Fools in the title. Wow I'm such a bimbo. Anyways that Mew-Two form looks genuinely badass! And I really hope this is real because Eeveelution + MewTwo form is looking kinda good for previous generations with generation 6, if that makes any sense at all.

Let's just hope it's real, although Serebii posting it gives it quite a bit of credibility lmao.

Moist April 3rd, 2013 12:04 PM

Wow. That new form of Mewtwo is not really Ken Sugimori style enough for me to believe its true. Which is sad because Mewtwo getting a new form sounded awesome.

Cura April 3rd, 2013 2:15 PM

I've seen that poster before, with the normal Mewtwo in it, this just looks photoshop'd, heavily and like the recent Mr. XY on 4-chan turning out to be a fake, a lot of this info that was listed is incorrect, yet sites aren't removing it... I think some are just... wondering why...

Found the poster: http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/b/bb/M16_poster.png

Xander Olivieri April 3rd, 2013 4:07 PM

The poster isn't being discredited yet on the off chance it is real. The biggest issue I see right now...the guy that leaked the info has a PHYSICAL poster that he crinkled up...the other posters are not available as of yet. So how does this one guy have a physical copy of an unreleased copy and if they are out and about why is there not more reports to back up this find? If its in japan, there should be more floating around. No confirmation when there is a physical poster in hand makes this thing highly unlikely.

Cerberus87 April 3rd, 2013 4:30 PM

While it's most likely fake, I would love to see a new Mewtwo form, the original god of Pokémon deserves some love. However, it just got Psystrike in 5th gen which is a very powerful move so it might not be the moment for a new form.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 3rd, 2013 4:39 PM

I think it's too early to be true. It does look quite cool however.

DashieFactory April 3rd, 2013 6:10 PM

Hm... A new Mewtwo form just seems so out of the question at this point in time. It would be cool, I'm not saying I wouldn't love to see a new Mewtwo form, but come on, would Gamefreak really throw that in now?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 3rd, 2013 6:17 PM

They gave it a signature move in gen V...Mewtwo is fanservice is all I can say especially for the gen 1 players.

Shiny Celebi April 3rd, 2013 6:38 PM

Ugh I really think that forme is ugly.

Im treating it as fake for now until confirmed real.

.Aero April 3rd, 2013 6:56 PM

Unfortunately for everyone, Light-type has been confirmed. Concept art for a new Rotom forme, dubbed Rotom-L has been released. The new forme will be Electric- / Light-type and will be in the shape of a lightbulb.

Not to mention multiple pokemon from past generations will either be changing dual types to pick up Light-type or gaining it as a second typing.

Here is the concept art: http://i.imgur.com/oT0Lwb9.png

Spoiler:
Yeah, no.


Apart from this big reveal, the new Mewtwo forme thing looks entirely fake to me. Not to mention it just looks strange in itself. I'm not saying it's not possible, but I'm very cautious when believing anything not from CoroCoro.

Echidna April 3rd, 2013 7:03 PM

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Originally Posted by .Aero (Post 7607657)
Unfortunately for everyone, Light-type has been confirmed. Concept art for a new Rotom forme, dubbed Rotom-L has been released. The new forme will be Electric- / Light-type and will be in the shape of a lightbulb.

Not to mention multiple pokemon from past generations will either be changing dual types to pick up Light-type or gaining it as a second typing.

Here is the concept art: http://i.imgur.com/oT0Lwb9.png

Spoiler:
Yeah, no.

This^^ This I like. Made me laugh after this long exhausting day :/
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Originally Posted by .Aero (Post 7607657)
Apart from this big reveal, the new Mewtwo forme thing looks entirely fake to me. Not to mention it just looks strange in itself. I'm not saying it's not possible, but I'm very cautious when believing anything not from CoroCoro.

Well to be completely honest, I like the way this 'new forme' looks, it's a nice change! I just hope it's real :p Besides, I've learned to love every Pokemon. I used to hate the Unova-dex Pokemon, but not anymore (Except for Vanillite and it's evos, those things are a disgrace).

Gary's Ho-oh April 3rd, 2013 7:21 PM

Fake or not, I don't see why so many people are dissing on its design. I for one find it very awesome. As for my opinion on its legitimacy, I'm not going on it on either side as I won't be disappointed either way.

Also, there's an image, in the form a CoroCoro scan or "scan", flying around of a baby Drowzee. I'm not posting it just in case if it has already been spammed here. If not, then I'll post it. Like the Mewtwo forme, I have no strong feeling one way or the other on the baby Drowzee legitimacy.

DashieFactory April 3rd, 2013 7:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary's Ho-oh (Post 7607692)
Fake or not, I don't see why so many people are dissing on its design. I for one find it very awesome. As for my opinion on its legitimacy, I'm not going on it on either side as I won't be disappointed either way.

Also, there's an image, in the form a CoroCoro scan or "scan", flying around of a baby Drowzee. I'm not posting it just in case if it has already been spammed here. If not, then I'll post it. Like the Mewtwo forme, I have no strong feeling one way or the other on the baby Drowzee legitimacy.

Ooh, a baby Drowzee would be nice. A prevolution to make Drowzee -> Hypno a trio? I'm all for it, if it's true.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 3rd, 2013 8:00 PM

I'll rather Hypno get an evolution that's Psychic/Dark tbh.

Gary's Ho-oh April 3rd, 2013 8:11 PM

Doing a quick search, I don't think the image has been posted so I guess I will:
http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s480x480/64286_555597507805034_1472928037_n.jpg

Shiny Celebi April 3rd, 2013 8:14 PM

Calling it fake right now. Its too early for CoroCoro leaks,which usually arrive around the 10th-12th of the month but not always.I dont find it that great either tbh.

Rebel Rebel April 3rd, 2013 8:54 PM

The Drowzee pre-evo is definitely fake. The name is written in hiragana instead of katakana, and there's a high-res version floating around where you can clearly see the model in the screenshot is just a 2D drawing.

Pinkie-Dawn April 3rd, 2013 8:55 PM

Giving a (pre)evolution to the Hypno line would only bring back all the creepypasta-related nightmares within the community, and we don't want that to happen. New Pokemon aren't always revealed from CoroCoro scans, they can also be revealed in advert cards like Gigalith and Emolga back in the days when Gen V wasn't released yet.

Xander Olivieri April 3rd, 2013 9:13 PM

Oh hey. Found this on Tumblr and went to check out the Japanese Pokemon site.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/e20b84b867e830292166b6681d1d4442/tumblr_mkp87pkskY1qzjz8jo3_1280.png


Take it as you will.

Xander Olivieri April 3rd, 2013 9:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7607861)
Mmmm....I don't see anything out-of-the-ordinary in that photo. Just seems like Mewtwo and Genesect are going to have some confrontation of some sort (which is honestly pretty exciting!), but other than that, not much can really be gathered from it. o.o

Look below Mewtwo and Genesect. What is the same and what is different?

Rivvon April 3rd, 2013 10:02 PM

That Mewtwo forme is looking to be fake. There would be fan art of it if it was real, lol. I like the idea behind it but it looks a bit too much like Kid Buu for my tastes!

Scorpiopt April 3rd, 2013 10:08 PM

That Mewtwo is fake its a photoshop of the movie poster ( and a terrible one i might add)

Mujahid April 4th, 2013 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7607845)
Oh hey. Found this on Tumblr and went to check out the Japanese Pokemon site.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/e20b84b867e830292166b6681d1d4442/tumblr_mkp87pkskY1qzjz8jo3_1280.png


Take it as you will.

I don't understand. Is That on Official site too ? If it is, it kind of confirms two formes of Mewtwo.

vaporeon7 April 4th, 2013 1:11 AM

If there was a Drowzee pre-evolution, now would not be the time to announce it.
Not that many people would want one anyway.

Ace. April 4th, 2013 1:27 AM

That pre evo of Drowzee looks so ugly and fake :( But it looks cute in a way though :3

Guy April 4th, 2013 3:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Mujahid (Post 7608075)
I don't understand. Is That on Official site too ? If it is, it kind of confirms two formes of Mewtwo.

You can find it right here on the official site. Your assumption about two forms was what I thought too. Genesect has four smaller boxes below, each with a different kind of Genesect that we know will be seen in the movie. Then Mewtwo has two empty hexagons below it. Hmm.....

Echidna April 4th, 2013 3:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Aerilyn (Post 7608149)
You can find it right here on the official site. Your assumption about two forms was what I thought too. Genesect has four smaller boxes below, each with a different kind of Genesect that we know will be seen in the movie. Then Mewtwo has two empty hexagons below it. Hmm.....

Yeah I kinda figured the same. We can never know though, the boxes might be for... for uhm... ok never mind, Mewtwo's got two forms alright D:

Guy April 4th, 2013 3:35 AM

It should be pointed out that those four other Genesect below aren't new forms of Genesect, but just a different Genesect for each of the Drives. So it's always a possibility that maybe Mewtwo made some other Mewtwo friends no one has ever been aware of and it'll just be an anime thing and will having nothing to do with a new form in X/Y.

DashieFactory April 4th, 2013 4:32 AM

A hint at a new Mewtwo form and on an official site, no less? This is certainly getting interesting. I'd love to see if there's any relation (and if so, what kind) between Genesect and Mewtwo.

blue April 4th, 2013 6:11 AM

At this rate We'll get a pre-evolution of every first Gen Pokemon, I wouldn't believe any of it until it's confirmed by a legitimate source. Bare in mind that these are all surfacing shortly before a major announcement.

Cyclone April 4th, 2013 6:44 AM

That's on the official site! You know what: look at the empty slots underneath Mewtwo. I think we're getting formes. Not pre-evos (it can't breed, remember), but definitely formes to me at this point. This is why Mewtwo is a feature in the movie.

Cyclone

Mujahid April 4th, 2013 6:48 AM

I am getting interested in the Mewtwo pic. It's likely that it hints at two mewtwo 'forms'.
How we define 'forms' here can be argued. But, if it really is hinting at new alternate formes and it was revealed AFTER the scan leaked, does that add some credibility to the yesterday scan ?

Cyclone April 4th, 2013 6:54 AM

No, that scan looked horribly Photoshopped.

Cyclone


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