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Mujahid April 4th, 2013 7:01 AM

True, but remember Starter final evolution leak ? They were ripped as poor Photoshops too.
While i am hoping the scan to be fake, i think people may have to think about it a little more.

Ho-Oh April 4th, 2013 7:06 AM

I don't think we're necessarily getting formes due to how that image was designed. It would just seem like way too much attention on Mewtwo if it has a Gen 5 event then new formes in Gen 6. :/

Cyclone April 4th, 2013 8:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Mujahid (Post 7608329)
True, but remember Starter final evolution leak ? They were ripped as poor Photoshops too.
While i am hoping the scan to be fake, i think people may have to think about it a little more.

Pardon? You have some sauce (sources) for this one?

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7608332)
I don't think we're necessarily getting formes due to how that image was designed. It would just seem like way too much attention on Mewtwo if it has a Gen 5 event then new formes in Gen 6. :/

Maybe, but hey, it's one more Mewtwo to import post-E4 for that purpose.

Cyclone

Liberal Army April 4th, 2013 8:46 AM

That baby Drowzee just looks believable! Whoever drew this is a master!
But the in-game sprite is just fake. I like the idea of a new baby Pokémon.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 4th, 2013 8:51 AM

I went to that site last night and thought it was interesting how it has two empty shapes under Mewtwo. At first I thought it may be Mew and a new Pokémon but then I noticed that Genesect's had it's different Drive "formes" below it. So it's possible it may be getting new formes...who knows if they'll have any impact on any of it's stats (like Deoxys), or if it'll have an impact on one of it's moves (Genesect), or if they'll be purely new looks with no real changes (Keldeo).

Gary's Ho-oh April 4th, 2013 8:51 AM

The Genesect/Mewtwo image, assuming the hexagons below Mewtwo actually mean something, I think it could have Mew in one of those hexagons because, after all, Mewtwo was made from Mew.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 4th, 2013 8:57 AM

That's still an option as Mew is sort of a form of it...it's original not mutated form.

Btw if that Hypno pre-evolution is real I believe that'll make it the fastest, non bug Pokémon to evolve into it's final stage out of the three stage line.

Gary's Ho-oh April 4th, 2013 9:08 AM

Well, Serebii forums is calling the Drowzee pre-evo fake so that's what I'm believing. Not the mention the top part of that baby stole Jigglypuff's hair and ears which makes it less believable to me.

Z25 April 4th, 2013 9:24 AM

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Originally Posted by CycloneGU (Post 7608319)
No, that scan looked horribly Photoshopped.

Cyclone

THis argument is invalid(if you are talking about it being the same as the first poster). Look here:

http://poke-amph.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/kyurem-vs-the-sacred-swordsman-keldeo-japanese-poster.jpg

http://gengame.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/keldeo-poster-2.png this won't post but click the link and see the simple difference.

Mujahid April 4th, 2013 9:39 AM

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Originally Posted by CycloneGU (Post 7608376)
Pardon? You have some sauce (sources) for this one?


Maybe, but hey, it's one more Mewtwo to import post-E4 for that purpose.

Cyclone

I meant the Unova starters final evolution leak. Everyone ripped them off as bad photoshops and even presented very convincing proofs but we know how that tuned out. You probably weren't here.

Also, the two posters above are identical and yet both are official. We'll have to see.

Z25 April 4th, 2013 9:57 AM

I also saw the starter's full set of evolutions on youtube before they were released. As for the posters they put down the only arguement people have on this mewtwo poster so that makes it seem real even if some find ti stupid. We have all seen some stupid things with pokemon though( cough parchioruso getting wings and being called a completly different and unrelated pokemon cough) so it come very well come true plus those empty spaces are supicious on the first poster.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 4th, 2013 10:04 AM

You're talking about Unova's starters right? (kind of confusing considering all the starters we've had lol).
Those two spaces are from the site...which considering it's on an official site they must mean something...
However if Mewtwo is reappearing with a new forme I want Deoxys to get another forme... one that's is more balanced yet stronger than it's Normal forme, Mew should also get one later on. Hmm funny how the last odd generation regional Pokémon have thus far had a Dna/gene theme (Mew, Deoxys, Genesect).

blue April 4th, 2013 10:12 AM

If there is a new Mewtwo forme in the way, I just hope they do it justice.. I would hate for them to ruin such a respected and well designed Pokemon after so many years.

Shiny Celebi April 4th, 2013 10:38 AM

I dont like that Game Freak may be resorting to new formes to make old Pokemon relevant. It seems a lame way to go about it. I honestly dont think Mewtwo needs a new forme at all, I cannot however say Im surprised if this does turn out to be true.

Gary's Ho-oh April 4th, 2013 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Shiny Celebi (Post 7608628)
I dont like that Game Freak may be resorting to new formes to make old Pokemon relevant. It seems a lame way to go about it. I honestly dont think Mewtwo needs a new forme at all, I cannot however say Im surprised if this does turn out to be true.

Unown ! & ? and Spiky-eared Pichu say hi.

The only way I can see Game Freak ruining any old Pokémon is they either ditch the old design of the Pokémon altogether (Jynx doesn't count) or greatly messing with their stats so much making it far from its original tier ranking or losing its iconic features. But I do agree it seems a little odd to possibly giving Mewtwo a new form since Mewtwo has been Uber tier in every generation (plus it finally got its own signature move in Generation V). But I like that rumored form's design so I wouldn't mind if it's real.

Pinkie-Dawn April 4th, 2013 11:12 AM

My guess is that Mewtwo's new formes maybe similar to Deoxys' gimmick. One forme made soley for physical power (ala typical DBZ villain), and another forme made soley for speed.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 4th, 2013 12:43 PM

I also see the formes functioning that way. Unless the other forme if it does get two, ends up being defense instead of attack.

Cyclone April 4th, 2013 2:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7608803)
I also see the formes functioning that way. Unless the other forme if it does get two, ends up being defense instead of attack.

Based on the "card" (what else can I call it? Graphic?), I'd say there are two formes with two open slots on the bottom.

Cyclone

Gary's Ho-oh April 4th, 2013 3:06 PM

Slightly moving away from the Mewtwo form for a sec for something else. I'm just hoping Keldeo in Gen VI will get a boost on it's Resolute Form like the boost Rotom got in Gen V. I mean, Game Freak did a lot of promoting/hyping for a B2W2 exclusive form that did absolutely jack squat for anyone which was a terrible idea.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 4th, 2013 3:07 PM

I feel impatient for Saturday to come already...that way we can know if those "Graphics" represent something.
I also hope that it'll get a boost, it's just sad that it didn't. I feel that it should've faster than it's normal Keldeo forme. Also Rotom's formes only got typing changes in gen V, the boosts were present in gen IV.

Gary's Ho-oh April 4th, 2013 3:16 PM

I'm aware that its base stats were present in Gen IV but it Rotom didn't feel too different with 5 forms of the same type that only granted each form a signature move that couldn't get a STAB.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 4th, 2013 3:35 PM

I enjoyed that fix tbh.
I do wonder if they'll do that with Kyurem's formes...

Cyclone April 4th, 2013 4:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7608974)
I enjoyed that fix tbh.
I do wonder if they'll do that with Kyurem's formes...

Black/White Kyurem may not be possible in Gen. VI. Let's wait and see.

Cyclone

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 4th, 2013 4:22 PM

All formes except for the non-tradable, and non-forme changeable Spiky ear Pichu have thus far been present in all games, so I imagine Kyurem's formes will appear again...even with more reason this time as the theme is genes (not saying it'll have a role in these games but they're likely to appear).

Guy April 4th, 2013 4:25 PM

I'm willing to bet that X/Y will give players a way to obtain Black Kyurem and White Kyurem. I don't see why they wouldn't. As said, it has already been done before.

DashieFactory April 4th, 2013 5:12 PM

As for the Black/White Kyurems being available, they'll most likely come in an event.

Gary's Ho-oh April 4th, 2013 6:08 PM

Well, the Griseous Orb wasn't tradable until Gen V and you can get the Gracidea in Gen V, I'm very sure we'll be able to get the just said items as well as the DNA Splicers and Reveal Glass in X & Y.

Xander Olivieri April 4th, 2013 6:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary's Ho-oh (Post 7608659)
Unown ! & ? and Spiky-eared Pichu say hi.

The only way I can see Game Freak ruining any old Pokémon is they either ditch the old design of the Pokémon altogether (Jynx doesn't count) or greatly messing with their stats so much making it far from its original tier ranking or losing its iconic features. But I do agree it seems a little odd to possibly giving Mewtwo a new form since Mewtwo has been Uber tier in every generation (plus it finally got its own signature move in Generation V). But I like that rumored form's design so I wouldn't mind if it's real.

Spiky Ear'd Pichu isn't an alternate form. Its a special edition Pokemon. No Pichu can transform into the Spiky ear'd one and it couldn't be traded, transferred, or evolved.

Gamefreak also doesn't do anything based on Tiers. That is fan made groupings. Only "Tier" Gamefreak has is "Legendary".

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Originally Posted by Gary's Ho-oh (Post 7608938)
Slightly moving away from the Mewtwo form for a sec for something else. I'm just hoping Keldeo in Gen VI will get a boost on it's Resolute Form like the boost Rotom got in Gen V. I mean, Game Freak did a lot of promoting/hyping for a B2W2 exclusive form that did absolutely jack squat for anyone which was a terrible idea.

Rotom didn't get any boost in gen 5. If you are talking about its type change, that was more a hit than a boost. Rotom lost some major functions and STAB bonus to a lot of its common tactics. While each form may have opened up to new defenses they also fell prey to new weaknesses as well. Overall the new typesetting hurt Rotom more than anything.

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Originally Posted by Aerilyn (Post 7609070)
I'm willing to bet that X/Y will give players a way to obtain Black Kyurem and White Kyurem. I don't see why they wouldn't. As said, it has already been done before.

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Originally Posted by DashieFactory (Post 7609164)
As for the Black/White Kyurems being available, they'll most likely come in an event.

They purposefully made it so that you cannot trade Kyurem while its in its alternate form and so that you cannot have both forms in one game. I don't think they'll ever allow for us to be able to use both seeing as they want to keep them separate while one is fused. Seeing as all they'll do is trade the Key Item over to the new games, it'll keep its base effect just as Griseous Orb and Gracidea Flower.

Gary's Ho-oh April 4th, 2013 6:35 PM

I'm well aware tiers are fan made. I'm just saying Mewtwo is known for being a very powerful Pokémon to the community.

And for the Pichu part, he made it sound like Mewtwo would be the first Pokémon to get a form after its generation reveal. I know what differences Spiky-eared has.

DarkRisingGirl April 4th, 2013 6:39 PM

What kind of Pokemon do you all think will be revealed this weekend? I hope it's another evolution of a Pokemon we all know now or at least the first stage of this gen's bird.

Gary's Ho-oh April 4th, 2013 6:48 PM

Not sure but seeing the censored gameplay shot from the Pokémon Smash preview makes it looks like a pretty small Pokémon.

Xander Olivieri April 4th, 2013 6:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary's Ho-oh (Post 7609300)
I'm well aware tiers are fan made. I'm just saying Mewtwo is known for being a very powerful Pokémon to the community.

And for the Pichu part, he made it sound like Mewtwo would be the first Pokémon to get a form after its generation reveal. I know what differences Spiky-eared has.

Even still, the "No Pokemon has gotten any form changes outside of their original generation" is still technically correct. There were alternate forms of Unown in the Pokemon movies that have never made thier debute in the games as of yet, but the character talking about them said they take many different forms, even some that aren't yet discovered. While this doesn't specifically say there are more but there were too many already to add more, it was confimation that more forms existed that weren't in the game. So even with Unown getting ? and ! in Gen 3, they were made/revealed in Generation 2.

As for Pichu, it is not, has never been, never will be an alternate form. Its a special edition Pokemon. Similar to the special move ones given away and the "Pikachu colored Pichu" that was part of the Spiky Ear'd Pichu event. Spike Ear'd Pichu is also cataloged as a "Shiny" variant rather than a form change by officials.

Furthermore, no Legendary has ever received Form changes as of yet. Many were rumored, but none ever have. We'll see if mewtwo form is real this coming Saturday. If they don't reveal the new form then it was a fake.

Also...A lot of people have come up saying that the poster was in fact posted originally on April 1st.

So we have a lot of conflicting info popping up.

Fake until proven real, only way to look at it. This way you can't get your hopes up and dashed if its fake.

Ho-Oh April 4th, 2013 7:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkRisingGirl (Post 7609306)
What kind of Pokemon do you all think will be revealed this weekend? I hope it's another evolution of a Pokemon we all know now or at least the first stage of this gen's bird.

Regional bird or annoying moral type. Don't see what else they'd do so early :(

.Aero April 4th, 2013 8:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7609353)
Regional bird or annoying moral type. Don't see what else they'd do so early :(

If I recall correctly, Gen 3 did reveal the likes of Sharpedo and some others before they revealed Taillow / Zigzagoon / Poochyena. It's not out of the question that they could reveal some totally random Pokemon.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 4th, 2013 8:59 PM

Exdrill was also introduced pretty early on irc for Gen 5.

Also since Unown having other forms was mentioned in Gen 2 that would mean Kyurem may have another one...perfect Dragon as the Original Dragon was mentioned in gen 5 and it was hinted that Kyurem has some connection to it in B2W2...it wasn't clear as it was more Drayden speculating outloud... or at least Zekrom and Reshiram fusing for those who don't see Kyurem as part of the original. Since gen supposedly is about DNA and genes and is the generation after 5 a Original Dragon appearance/ Third Kyurem forme wouldn't be surprising...it'll make more sense too than Mewtwo getting one after five generations (1-5).

Altairis April 4th, 2013 9:44 PM

I think it'll be a Pokemon that has some connection to a previous, like maybe an evolution or the standard regional bird/bug/normal Pokemon. I'm excited to see and hope they give us more information that just a picture! A name and type at least please, TPC n_n

Sabrewulf238 April 5th, 2013 1:33 AM

I feel the less forms we get of older legendaries the better.

This is supposed to be the time for the 6th gen pokemon to shine. 1st to 5th gen pokemon have already had their day.

I hope they reveal a random new pokemon. If it does turn out to be a regional rodent I hope it's something more unconventional like Sentret. (I feel like Sentret is the most unusual looking of the regional rodents)

Xander Olivieri April 5th, 2013 6:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7609545)
Exdrill was also introduced pretty early on irc for Gen 5.

Also since Unown having other forms was mentioned in Gen 2 that would mean Kyurem may have another one...perfect Dragon as the Original Dragon was mentioned in gen 5 and it was hinted that Kyurem has some connection to it in B2W2...it wasn't clear as it was more Drayden speculating outloud... or at least Zekrom and Reshiram fusing for those who don't see Kyurem as part of the original. Since gen supposedly is about DNA and genes and is the generation after 5 a Original Dragon appearance/ Third Kyurem forme wouldn't be surprising...it'll make more sense too than Mewtwo getting one after five generations (1-5).

In Black/White Kyurem has nothing to do with Reshiram/Zekrom/original Dragon nor is he hinted anywhere to having other forms.

B2W2 Kyurem is mentioned only after the bad guys say they are using him and Drayden contradicts himself by questioning Kyurem's relation to Zekrom/Reshiram when he says the DNA pins were human made. Gamefreak also make it impossible to fuse all three together, not to mention fuse for two kyurem forms.

Ya it can be pretty much anything. I'm hoping for something cute.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 5th, 2013 7:54 AM

They could make a new item for Zekrom and Reshiram to fuse on their own thus creating the original Dragon...which will be unusual as it'll be the first time two Pokémon fuse to create something that is not a forme of at least one (if they did it'll ruin the Yin and Yang aspect) that isn't an evolution (not like the fusing actually happens in game).

Either way I feel a new forme for Mewtwo will open the flood gates for the other old legendaries...maybe one for Rayquaza or the other two members of the Weather trio (can be used for remake purposes...), as well as Dialgia, and Palkia...

Gary's Ho-oh April 5th, 2013 8:10 AM

I can see a handful of non-Legendaries getting the new form treatment but targeting ALL past legendaries sounds extremely risky to do on Game Freak's fan base (and I'm a guy who pretty much likes all generations equally as well as accepting the new changes/additions found in each generation). If this Mewtwo form is already causing a negative outrage to the veterans of the series then even more old legendaries getting new forms will be just another middle finger to the collection.

I'd rather see some non-legendaries get forms rather than more legendaries.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 5th, 2013 10:03 AM

Same here tbh. I'll like to see Castform get a sandstorm forme. And Rotom can get some new ones too.

Gary's Ho-oh April 5th, 2013 10:23 AM

Yeah, the lack of sand Castform has always bothered me. Weather Ball takes advantage of sandstorms but Castform doesn't?

Also, the official Pokémon Facebook page is reminding us the reveal tomorrow. I forgot but, due to time zones, Pokémon Smash actually happens tonight in the US, am I right?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 5th, 2013 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Gary's Ho-oh (Post 7610436)
Yeah, the lack of sand Castform has always bothered me. Weather Ball takes advantage of sandstorms but Castform doesn't?

Also, the official Pokémon Facebook page is reminding us the reveal tomorrow. I forgot but, due to time zones, Pokémon Smash actually happens tonight in the US, am I right?

Yeah, I found it odd. I remember going to the desert in Hoenn to see if it it's weather ball even had a change, and it did but it's body didn't...

Sadly it's tomorrow, it starts at 3:30 pm Saturday Pacific Standard time (I even googled it to double check) for us in the US, and it starts at 7:30 in the morning Sunday for Japan.

Z25 April 5th, 2013 1:08 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7609345)
Even still, the "No Pokemon has gotten any form changes outside of their original generation" is still technically correct. There were alternate forms of Unown in the Pokemon movies that have never made thier debute in the games as of yet, but the character talking about them said they take many different forms, even some that aren't yet discovered. While this doesn't specifically say there are more but there were too many already to add more, it was confimation that more forms existed that weren't in the game. So even with Unown getting ? and ! in Gen 3, they were made/revealed in Generation 2.

As for Pichu, it is not, has never been, never will be an alternate form. Its a special edition Pokemon. Similar to the special move ones given away and the "Pikachu colored Pichu" that was part of the Spiky Ear'd Pichu event. Spike Ear'd Pichu is also cataloged as a "Shiny" variant rather than a form change by officials.

Furthermore, no Legendary has ever received Form changes as of yet. Many were rumored, but none ever have. We'll see if mewtwo form is real this coming Saturday. If they don't reveal the new form then it was a fake.

Also...A lot of people have come up saying that the poster was in fact posted originally on April 1st.

So we have a lot of conflicting info popping up.

Fake until proven real, only way to look at it. This way you can't get your hopes up and dashed if its fake.

By no legend getting a new form you mean like an evolution right? If you mean alternate forms then that would be wrong. Also saturday doesn't necesarily prove it wrong, when coro coro comes out this month it will prove or disprove it. @gary's Ho-Oh: almost all gen 5 pokemon were hated at first, with people saying they were un original, when the game came out though they got over it so it doesn't matter to nintendo what the initial thought is on the pokemon.

Gary's Ho-oh April 5th, 2013 1:39 PM

@zoroarkrules25: I was one of those people who weren't all that crazy with the Gen V Pokémon during prerelease so I know. I may still be iffy on the designs of some of the Gen V Pokémon but I have no grudge on them otherwise now. I know people will get over the Mewtwo form thing eventually (I'm starting to think it's real now since it's been 2 days and no one can official say it's fake and that nobody has stepped in and say they are the creator) but I haven't seen this much rage from the Internet since the announcement that Bayonetta 2 will be a Wii U exclusive.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 5th, 2013 2:19 PM

Yeah, I think there's more rage now than when Trubish and it's evolution were announced...I remember those two as being some of the most hated Pokémon of gen V (I was disappointed myself but I didn't hate it with a passion). Hopefully people will get use to this generation's more disappointing Pokémon too.

If Mewtwo isn't getting new formes than what could those shapes below it in the site from before be for?

Xander Olivieri April 5th, 2013 2:22 PM

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Originally Posted by zoroarkrules25 (Post 7610611)
By no legend getting a new form you mean like an evolution right? If you mean alternate forms then that would be wrong. Also saturday doesn't necesarily prove it wrong, when coro coro comes out this month it will prove or disprove it.

No legend evolves and no Legend has an alternate form that was never introduced in the same generation. There is no Legendary Pokemon that has an alternate form that was introduced outside of its initial release.

Deoxys, the first Pokemon with a Form Change was based on game cart for the 3rd Gen titles. Attack for Fire Red, Defense for Leaf Green, Speed for Emerald, and Normal form in both Ruby and Sapphire.

Next Legend(s) with new forms are Giratina and Shaymin. Both were introduced in D/P and both got new forms in Platinum which was part of the same generation.

Meloetta received her Alternate form in the same game she was supposed to be revealed in though she was released fairly late.

Last Legendaries to receive new forms are the Kami Trio, Kyurem, and Keldeo. All three were still part of Generation 5 games when they were both introduced and received a new form.

And yes Saturday will prove it wrong or right. International news is being posted. What ever appears on Smash will be the focus of CoroCoro the next week since it will also be on the Pokemon main websites. CoroCoro doesn't give off more info than the main websites and the main websites always give the info of CoroCoro within the same release. Since this release is a week before CoroCoro the news will all pretty much coincide with one another. They'll give a view of the new Pokemon on Smash, Saturday's international update will give a little more info, and CoroCoro will give the Japanese populace the same info. Same thing happened with Sylveon.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 5th, 2013 2:26 PM

Could it be possible that the official site may include bonus news apart from the new Pokémon, such as saying the typing of the mascots? I hope that they do so, that way we can get some closure on what Xerneas' typing is...

Xander Olivieri April 5th, 2013 2:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7610692)
Could it be possible that the official site may include bonus news apart from the new Pokémon, such as saying the typing of the mascots? I hope that they do so that we can get some closure on what Xerneas' typing is...

Its very well possible. If we get more than just the new Pokemon, expect a big issue of CoroCoro too.

Cerberus87 April 5th, 2013 2:56 PM

A fusion of the three Unova dragons wouldn't be a Kyurem form, simply because the original dragon is not Kyurem... Kyurem itself, however, is a constituent of the original dragon.

The DNA Splicers are one of the big mysteries of Pokémon IMO... The games never clarified Kyurem's origin or what the items were originally supposed to do. We do know Kyurem was part of the original dragon, though, because Ghetsis mentions it. However, all evidence to me points out that the splicer fusions are artificial, possibly ways devised by humans to rebuild the original dragon, but they're a failure since they can't fuse all three, nor can they fuse Reshiram with Zekrom. The only reason they work on Kyurem is because Kyurem is a husk, a leftover, the embodiment of a void, which is then filled by one of the opposing dragons, but the husk is not strong enough to contain both Reshiram and Zekrom, hence a three-way fusion is impossible.

Xander Olivieri April 5th, 2013 3:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cerberus87 (Post 7610734)
A fusion of the three Unova dragons wouldn't be a Kyurem form, simply because the original dragon is not Kyurem... Kyurem itself, however, is a constituent of the original dragon.

The DNA Splicers are one of the big mysteries of Pokémon IMO... The games never clarified Kyurem's origin or what the items were originally supposed to do. We do know Kyurem was part of the original dragon, though, because Ghetsis mentions it. However, all evidence to me points out that the splicer fusions are artificial, possibly ways devised by humans to rebuild the original dragon, but they're a failure since they can't fuse all three, nor can they fuse Reshiram with Zekrom. The only reason they work on Kyurem is because Kyurem is a husk, a leftover, the embodiment of a void, which is then filled by one of the opposing dragons, but the husk is not strong enough to contain both Reshiram and Zekrom, hence a three-way fusion is impossible.

We actually don't know if Kyurem is part of the Original Dragon and may never know. Ghetsis says he is, but there is so many conflicting data from first and second games that each may not have been proof read as thoroughly to not have inconsistencies. Kyurem is capable of fusing with EITHER Zekrom or Rehsiram, not both. If he is the remains of the original then the power should still be able to be reabsorbed back into the original body. It still states that the dragon split itself equally into two Pokemon.

Even in their world, Ghetsis could have made a mistake with gathering his information. That would be a cause for the inconsistencies to exist and it would show that Gamefreak did it on purpose. There are many mysteries in the Pokemon World. Majority of them revolve around Legendary Pokemon.

If Reshiram and Zekrom wanted to fuse together they could if Gamefreak allowed and would push even more inconsistencies into the fray. They would also perfectly balance one another as Yin and Yang are 2 halves to balance. They are all that's needed to create balance. There are still too much incomplete information that Gamefreak will never clarify until they feel the need to do so. All we have is Fan made assumptions to believe or disbelieve.

The chance they fix this in Gen 6 is pretty much non-existent. DNA Splicers are pretty much going to keep the same effect they have based on how the Gracidia and Grieous Orb kept their functions the exact same.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 5th, 2013 3:35 PM

Unless they start introducing in game updates to older Key items such as a former Plasma scientist (Corless?) has found a way to perfect the DNA splicers after you get them and it to him...which I don't think they'll do. Most likely if they wanted to create a three way or a fusion of Zekrom and Reshiram they'll make a new item. Also the very nature of the item is unknown...who's to say that the brothers (or was it their kids?) didn't make them as a way to fix their mistake which caused the dragon to split into two, yet their attempt failed, after all the Splicers are said to be ancient technology.

Anyways do you guys think we'll start getting more Pokémon revealed occasionally after this reveal, or do you think we'll go back into the same news drought we've had after Sylveon?

Gary's Ho-oh April 5th, 2013 4:09 PM

I say there's a 50/50 chance that it will either have a post-Sylveon drought again or start slowly make occasional reveals. If it's the former, then after the end of that drought it will be occasional reveals.

Z25 April 5th, 2013 4:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary's Ho-oh (Post 7610650)
@zoroarkrules25: I was one of those people who weren't all that crazy with the Gen V Pokémon during prerelease so I know. I may still be iffy on the designs of some of the Gen V Pokémon but I have no grudge on them otherwise now. I know people will get over the Mewtwo form thing eventually (I'm starting to think it's real now since it's been 2 days and no one can official say it's fake and that nobody has stepped in and say they are the creator) but I haven't seen this much rage from the Internet since the announcement that Bayonetta 2 will be a Wii U exclusive.

That is true, i have also come to notice that often the hated fakemon are actual pokemon. We most likely would have herd from the creator as you said by now and i believe that it is real because the only thing people said was wrong with it, was that it was the same as the first poster but we clearly saw with kelado's that nintendo is a bit lazy to change the poster just because a new form of the movie's mascot is announced.

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7610683)
No legend evolves and no Legend has an alternate form that was never introduced in the same generation. There is no Legendary Pokemon that has an alternate form that was introduced outside of its initial release.

Deoxys, the first Pokemon with a Form Change was based on game cart for the 3rd Gen titles. Attack for Fire Red, Defense for Leaf Green, Speed for Emerald, and Normal form in both Ruby and Sapphire.

Next Legend(s) with new forms are Giratina and Shaymin. Both were introduced in D/P and both got new forms in Platinum which was part of the same generation.

Meloetta received her Alternate form in the same game she was supposed to be revealed in though she was released fairly late.

Last Legendaries to receive new forms are the Kami Trio, Kyurem, and Keldeo. All three were still part of Generation 5 games when they were both introduced and received a new form.

And yes Saturday will prove it wrong or right. International news is being posted. What ever appears on Smash will be the focus of CoroCoro the next week since it will also be on the Pokemon main websites. CoroCoro doesn't give off more info than the main websites and the main websites always give the info of CoroCoro within the same release. Since this release is a week before CoroCoro the news will all pretty much coincide with one another. They'll give a view of the new Pokemon on Smash, Saturday's international update will give a little more info, and CoroCoro will give the Japanese populace the same info. Same thing happened with Sylveon.

Yes, i know that all pokemon get new forms in their own gen which is why a few pages back i said it would constitute a big announcement if one got a new form out of it's gen. Also coro coro has given different info then smash has in a week before, so it could happen again.

Shiny Celebi April 5th, 2013 4:34 PM

Im kind of expecting a news drought after this reveal, whatever it is. The first couple months have been kinda slow, so I dont see many reveals around the same time happening until it gets a bit later, like during the summer, then I see us getting more tidbits of info outside of just CoroCoro.

Cyclone April 5th, 2013 4:49 PM

If anything, they'll ramp up the info in the month leading to release. Otherwise, I can't predict. Maybe three months before they'll post more screenshots and another trailer.

Cyclone

Xander Olivieri April 5th, 2013 5:08 PM

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Originally Posted by zoroarkrules25 (Post 7610860)
Yes, i know that all pokemon get new forms in their own gen which is why a few pages back i said it would constitute a big announcement if one got a new form out of it's gen. Also coro coro has given different info then smash has in a week before, so it could happen again.

All of the info we have received from CoroCoro has been posted either on the Main Pokemon Site first or airs on Smash. Barely anything relating to Generation 6 has been different between the three sources. Even with Sylveon. We got Main Site Info, CoroCoro and then Smash in which case Smash showed us only what we already knew. Same has happened in reverse when Smash first aired Pokemon X and Y info before CoroCoro after the International news segment.

I'm not comparing this to what happened with Black and White. I'm not comparing this to what happened with Black 2 and White 2. So far, all three medias give us the exact same info as far as Pokemon X and Y are concerned and none of the three have ever introduced information that was not shared with the other two.

Therefore what ever airs on Smash will be the highlight of CoroCoro Next week. Likewise all the info we get added to Pokemon.com is going to be the bulk of the info we get in CoroCoro. Since the info is so close together this go round, CoroCoro may not even have any news on X and Y at all.

Like Shining Celebi says, there may be another info drought after this Saturday's info depends on how big it is.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 5th, 2013 7:45 PM

The Sylveon announcement was quite small imo, so hopefully it won't be another small one. I'm hoping they show us two new Pokemon instead of one this time aka the video and the Pokemon behind the card are different.

Snowdrop April 5th, 2013 8:00 PM

I'm so excited for the Saturday reveal. I hope they'll reveal Sylveon's type honestly, but I'd rather have more new Pokemon revealed or the evolutions to the new starters. It seems that they've been rather unpredictable with their information, though...

Mujahid April 5th, 2013 10:36 PM

Do you guys think we'll get the same news Tomorrow that we'll get in Coro Coro ?

Platinum Lucario April 6th, 2013 12:44 AM

Nah, I don't think there'll be any CoroCoro until next week. For now... as far as we know, Pokémon Smash will be the first to reveal huge information about Pokémon X and Pokémon Y.

And this huge information could be alot of stuff, including the revealing of the new region that Pokémon X and Y will be in. I'm probably assuming the region will be somewhere on the north-west coast of France.

Other possible things they would reveal... would be Sylveon's type. Alot of us feel that it's going to be Flying-type or Normal-type, and as much as I wish it would be a brand new type... it might not be a new type. But yeah... it's names (including the ones spoken in other languages) is definitely pointing in the direction of a Flying-type as much as we speak. It's a very high chance that they could reveal Sylveon's type on Pokémon Smash this Sunday.

I do feel as if that new forme of Mewtwo is real, I'm sure it would be confirmed on Pokémon Smash as well, along with gameplay footage of it battling. But it looks so amazing though, I'm hoping it does become a reality and then Mewtwo will regain it's place as having the highest Special Attack than any other non-event Pokémon, just as it used to be before White Kyurem took it's place.

I'm also assuming they'll reveal one or two new Pokémon that will appear in the game, either it will be pre-evolutions or evolutions of older Pokémon or they'll be entirely new Pokémon altogether.

We'll just have to watch Pokémon Smash to see what they reveal, I'm so excited! x3

Mujahid April 6th, 2013 12:54 AM

I meant do you guys think that the info we get tomorrow will be repeated in Coro-Coro or will coro have some fresh news.

Sorbet April 6th, 2013 2:33 AM

Does Pokémon Smash air at 11pm GMT/7pm EST?

King Gumball April 6th, 2013 3:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7611123)
Honestly, we're still pretty early as far as getting any info is concerned, even if it is April. I remember mentioned before that we still have the summer as well as some of Fall ahead of us before we finally get our hands on the games, so I expect something substantial to pop up during the summertime probably, but most likely not now.

Yeah, and I'd prefer small teases anyway. If they reveal a couple of Pokémon and new information every so often it will keep fans excited and avidly speculating about what's to come. If they give us heaps of info so soon, the excitement will die a bit over the summertime.

Ho-Oh April 6th, 2013 3:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Sorbet (Post 7611493)
Does Pokémon Smash air at 11pm GMT/7pm EST?

I think so! I'm more interested to see what'll come today, given that the big announcement/reveal is meant to be "today" internationally (I guess....?) sooo it'd be in the next few hours maybe, and therefore couldn't be Smash?? /hoping for double up of information lmao

JayTheKing April 6th, 2013 3:51 AM

Isnt it over yet or nothing was revealed?

kthuror April 6th, 2013 5:22 AM

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Originally Posted by JayTheKing (Post 7611565)
Isnt it over yet or nothing was revealed?

You are like 10 hours too early xD

Sabrewulf238 April 6th, 2013 5:44 AM

Anyone want to play a guessing game for the new pokemon? Just to see how many get it right.

What will it's primary (most obvious) colour be?
If the type is revealed, what type will it be?
Will it be based on an animal or an inanimate object?
Will it be an evolution of an older pokemon, pre evolution of an older pokemon or a completely new pokemon?
If it's a completely new pokemon, will it be announced on it's own or will it's relatives also be announced?
If it's weight and height is revealed, what will they be?
Will it stand on four legs, two legs or no legs?

My answers:

What will it's primary (most obvious) colour be? White
If the type is revealed, what type will it be? Normal
Will it be based on an animal or an inanimate object? Animal
Will it be an evolution of an older pokemon, pre evolution of an older pokemon or a completely new pokemon? New pokemon
If it's a completely new pokemon, will it be announced on it's own or will it's relatives also be announced? On it's own
If it's weight and height is revealed, what will they be? 22lbs and 1'05"
Will it stand on four legs, two legs or no legs? four legs

Feel free to add your own questions you think are relevant.

I'm being very safe and saying this reveal will probably be the regional rodent, be white and normal type and be small and fairly cute.

antemortem April 6th, 2013 5:56 AM

I'm hoping we get more than just a few tidbits of information, but rather maybe one or two Pokemon silhouettes/reveals, maybe a new gameplay trailer of some sort and whatever else won't reveal all too much about the game but will somewhat satisfy our near insatiable hunger for X/Y spoilers. :P

JayTheKing April 6th, 2013 6:01 AM

It is on Sunday not on Saturday?Ι had no idea

blue April 6th, 2013 6:06 AM

I hope to see a Sableye evolution this generation, idk with Sableye being a part of the upcoming movie I feel as if it's about the right time to add on a new evolution to it's line.

JayTheKing April 6th, 2013 6:20 AM

I want to know how migration will work , the new regions name and if there will be evos for the previous gens of pokemon

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 6th, 2013 8:15 AM

I doubt we'll be getting info on the transfer this early on. I imagine if they are going to show it it'll be in September or right before the release in October.

Z25 April 6th, 2013 8:58 AM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7610904)
All of the info we have received from CoroCoro has been posted either on the Main Pokemon Site first or airs on Smash. Barely anything relating to Generation 6 has been different between the three sources. Even with Sylveon. We got Main Site Info, CoroCoro and then Smash in which case Smash showed us only what we already knew. Same has happened in reverse when Smash first aired Pokemon X and Y info before CoroCoro after the International news segment.

I'm not comparing this to what happened with Black and White. I'm not comparing this to what happened with Black 2 and White 2. So far, all three medias give us the exact same info as far as Pokemon X and Y are concerned and none of the three have ever introduced information that was not shared with the other two.

Therefore what ever airs on Smash will be the highlight of CoroCoro Next week. Likewise all the info we get added to Pokemon.com is going to be the bulk of the info we get in CoroCoro. Since the info is so close together this go round, CoroCoro may not even have any news on X and Y at all.

Like Shining Celebi says, there may be another info drought after this Saturday's info depends on how big it is.

Ok, i can see your point there. As for today's reveal i feel like it will include one of the things i stated before or it will have a sableye evolution like stated and or it will have an evolution to a previous pokemon.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 6th, 2013 9:05 AM

Does anyone know if anyone will be livestreaming Smash? I thought of downloading the Key program but last time I did I couldn't get it to work >_<.

Pinkie-Dawn April 6th, 2013 10:01 AM

I'll see if My Nintendo News will be able to make an article of the new XY info from Smash rather than finding out from PC.

blue April 6th, 2013 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7611837)
Does anyone know if anyone will be livestreaming Smash? I thought of downloading the Key program but last time I did I couldn't get it to work >_<.

ZephyrSonic will be doing a livestream on Youtube here.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 6th, 2013 10:26 AM

Thank you for that :)

Now to wait 4 hours until it starts...and an extra 28 or so minutes for the reveal as it'll proably be at the end like all the previous reveals.
I'm hoping that if what they're revealing isn't a forme of Mewtwo it'll be the cute legendary of this generation.

Sabrewulf238 April 6th, 2013 10:37 AM

I found this live stream on tumblr for Pokemon Smash if anyone wants to make use of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=W_KgsVeYIKM&proxmate=us

(I'm guessing it's alright to post that? If it isn't I can delete this)

How long is Pokemon Smash?

Spherical Ice April 6th, 2013 11:00 AM

http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/pokemon/long.php

Notice the two spots below Mewtwo.

They look similar to the spots below Genesect.

I think we're getting two new Mewtwo formes.

Also this image was just posted on /vp/

http://images.4chan.org/vp/src/1365273181995.png

though the OP there didn't post a source

blue April 6th, 2013 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Spherical Ice (Post 7611970)
http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/pokemon/long.php

Notice the two spots below Mewtwo.

They look similar to the spots below Genesect.

I think we're getting two new Mewtwo formes.

Also this image was just posted on /vp/

http://images.4chan.org/vp/src/1365273181995.png

though the OP there didn't post a source

Those formes look more realistic in that image although I'd still rather wait for confirmation which we'll get in about 3-4 hours from Pokemon Smash.

Spherical Ice April 6th, 2013 11:14 AM

I'm pretty sure those are fakes but it's an interesting concept of what those spaces are for. I'm just curious of the prospect of possibly two formes instead of just one.

blue April 6th, 2013 11:17 AM

I also think that we may see some sort of Sableye Pre-evolution/Evolution, okay it's no confirmation but the way it has been isolated from the other Pokemon on the website makes me think that it has some important role in the movie which involves an evolution of some sort.

It has been 10 years now and it still has no evolution so I don't see why they wouldn't add one.
http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab208/Jowey2010/sab.png

Sabrewulf238 April 6th, 2013 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Spherical Ice (Post 7611970)

I think I prefer the X form to the Y form (the one we're more familiar with) That said I still hope they're not real.

Trolls probably see the pokemon community as easy pickings at the moment, throw up anything about new mewtwo forms and they probably won't question it much.

On another note, I'll be incredibly sad if Sableye gets an evolution and Mawile doesn't. Mawile is by far my favourite of the two.

Spherical Ice April 6th, 2013 11:27 AM

I think it's fair game if Sableye gets special treatment. The same happened to Dusclops but not Banette.

Gary's Ho-oh April 6th, 2013 11:34 AM

And Sableye gets an evolution with Wonder Guard.

But seriously, it's starting to sound possible that Sableye could be getting some attention of some sort in Gen VI. And yes, I'd like some Mawile love as well.

Cyclone April 6th, 2013 11:35 AM

I think the Mewtwos above are fake. Just sayin'.

However, I do think we're getting Formes. This could be a sign that Kanto is somehow connected to the new region somehow, or that it will be introduced, since Mewtwo comes from Kanto.

Cyclone

Pokedude3012 April 6th, 2013 11:58 AM

The recent games of Pokemon haven't been brilliant. In my opinion, the games have gone downhill since gen 3. I hate to say this, but it's beginning to put me off. I sure hope that X and Y are brilliant, it would really rekindle my love in Pokemon

Treecko April 6th, 2013 11:59 AM

I'm still calling any Mewtwo forme fake until they're confirmed a real thing.

I honestly do think it's possible we will get a Sableye evolution. It's odd how there's a random Sableye appearing in the next movie and that just hints something to me.

Spherical Ice April 6th, 2013 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pokedude3012 (Post 7612077)
The recent games of Pokemon haven't been brilliant. In my opinion, the games have gone downhill since gen 3. I hate to say this, but it's beginning to put me off. I sure hope that X and Y are brilliant, it would really rekindle my love in Pokemon

I think you might want to take off your nostalgia goggles for a second.

Shiny Celebi April 6th, 2013 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CycloneGU (Post 7612042)
I think the Mewtwos above are fake. Just sayin'.

However, I do think we're getting Formes. This could be a sign that Kanto is somehow connected to the new region somehow, or that it will be introduced, since Mewtwo comes from Kanto.

Cyclone

I think it has less to do with Kanto and more with the fact that Mewtwo is a clone of Mew and ties in with the genetic theme.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 6th, 2013 12:33 PM

It could be both, GF likes using double meaning such as the titles of the games for example with tie with both genes and the fact they are two of the 3 axis of 3D.

I hope Sableye and Mawhile both get evolutions, of course GF tends to give one an evolution and forgets the other when it comes to version exclusive "duos".

Sabrewulf238 April 6th, 2013 1:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Spherical Ice (Post 7612024)
I think it's fair game if Sableye gets special treatment. The same happened to Dusclops but not Banette.

I wouldn't mind so much except Sableye isn't that bad a pokemon as it is right now. No weaknesses and although I'm not much into competitive battling I hear it has a very good ability in Prankster.

Whereas Mawile doesn't really have anything going for it.

On another note it would be nice to see Banette get an evolution this gen. It looks like it should evolve again. My hope is that these pokemon aren't forgotten but simply saved for another gen.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 6th, 2013 1:07 PM

Well I remember Dusklops was used more than It's counterpart back in RS as it could serve as a wall and inflict status (will-o-wisp), yet Banette wasn't give an evolution...

blue April 6th, 2013 1:11 PM

I really like Banette as it is, so to give it an evolution which may or may not turn out well wouldn't be a good idea atm.

Cerberus87 April 6th, 2013 1:22 PM

I love evos. None of my favorite Pokémon are NFE, and IMO none of the NFE Pokémon look as good as their fully evolved counterparts, except for maybe Gothorita.

Spherical Ice April 6th, 2013 1:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cerberus87 (Post 7612238)
I love evos. None of my favorite Pokémon are NFE, and IMO none of the NFE Pokémon look as good as their fully evolved counterparts, except for maybe Gothorita.

Got to disagree, Haxorus does Fraxure's design a complete injustice.

I'd love to see a puppeteer/puppet master type of evolution for banette. Maybe with a little shuppet doll. I think that would be cool.

Sabrewulf238 April 6th, 2013 1:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7612221)
I really like Banette as it is, so to give it an evolution which may or may not turn out well wouldn't be a good idea atm.

Never been overly keen on Banette design wise, so I feel like it could do with an evolution.

Edit: I had another point to put forward but this is starting to get evolution heavy so I'm moving to the evolution thread.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 6th, 2013 1:40 PM

I'll like to see a Banette evolution to be honest.

A Pokémon I wouldn't want to evolve as it already looks awesome...I got none tbh. I look forward to evolutions so even an evolution to Absol would please me. Unless they evolved it into an obese Dalmatian...

Cerberus87 April 6th, 2013 2:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Spherical Ice (Post 7612247)
Got to disagree, Haxorus does Fraxure's design a complete injustice.

I'd love to see a puppeteer/puppet master type of evolution for banette. Maybe with a little shuppet doll. I think that would be cool.

IMO Axew looks better than Fraxure. And Haxorus is obviously the best of the three.


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