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Pinkie-Dawn April 8th, 2013 8:02 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7616134)
If Mewtwo and Mew aren't high chance that this one won't either. If Mewtwo form, then we definitely can't use. If related then it would depend on how they make him. If he is as I think, another download/Event Legendary, then nope. He could be our new Victini after all.

But isn't the concept of a mirage Pokemon like Victini is that they had to have a cute appearance. This new Pokemon has a serious/intimidating appearance that's more suited as either one of three extra event legendaries or a Heatran/Regigigas/Cressilia type of legendary.

Cyclone April 8th, 2013 8:30 PM

It could very well be a special Event that only occurs if you have Mewtwo/Mew leading your party, battling it. There would have to be a great story, too. Kind of like Sinjoh Ruins, if you will.

Cyclone

Ho-Oh April 8th, 2013 8:31 PM

I just think it's a new forme with maybe a new typing? I mean that'd sorta be like a new Pokemon kinda?? :(

Cyclone April 8th, 2013 8:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7616195)
I just think it's a new forme with maybe a new typing? I mean that'd sorta be like a new Pokemon kinda?? :(

I don't see how it can be anything other than Psychic. Except Dark, mebbe. But if it's a Forme (which is still my guess), it could be a dual-type with Psychic and something else (Psychic/Dark?).

Cyclone

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 8th, 2013 9:22 PM

I see it as being Pure Psychic like the rest.

Around what time do you think all the mysteries will be told? or do you think GF will save most of the them for when the games actually come out aka for us the player to discover them.

Xander Olivieri April 8th, 2013 9:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 7616161)
But isn't the concept of a mirage Pokemon like Victini is that they had to have a cute appearance. This new Pokemon has a serious/intimidating appearance that's more suited as either one of three extra event legendaries or a Heatran/Regigigas/Cressilia type of legendary.

No where near what I meant. Victini was the first Legendary Give Away of Black and White. The New Mew thing is the first Legendary event of X and Y. Its the Gen 6 Victini in that way. Not once did I say it was to be a Mirage Legend. If I wanted to say that I would have listed all of the Mirage Legends, though to me it makes no sense for it to be a Mirage since its possibly another Mew Clone so it would have more than 600 Base power or its stat distribution won't be flat 100s.

vaporeon7 April 9th, 2013 1:58 AM

Maybe it'll just end up being like Keldeo's Resolute form, and not change anything but appearance.

Guy April 9th, 2013 3:15 AM

If anything, I'm willing to bet that if you download the Unnerve Mewtwo being given away as promotion for the upcoming movie and transfer it into your copy of X or Y from B/W/B2/W2, then you can unlock and find the hidden Newtwo in the games. Or if it's a new form, then be able to have access to said form. This would be something similar to the Arceus event for DPPt > HG/SS and the Shiny Beasts Trio event for DPPt/HGSS > B/W before.

Cyclone April 9th, 2013 4:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Aerilyn (Post 7616498)
If anything, I'm willing to bet that if you download the Unnerve Mewtwo being given away as promotion for the upcoming movie and transfer it into your copy of X or Y from B/W/B2/W2, then you can unlock and find the hidden Newtwo in the games. Or if it's a new form, then be able to have access to said form. This would be something similar to the Arceus event for DPPt > HG/SS and the Shiny Beasts Trio event for DPPt/HGSS > B/W before.

Bing, I think you're onto something.

Cyclone

Ho-Oh April 9th, 2013 6:47 AM

I think that's the most likely way to get this new forme if it is a forme. I mean why else would they release it now in the Unova games when there's a much newer Mewtwo to come :(

Also, a little unrelated but I wanted to add in that I was watching the news which showed London and I was like, damn, that's totally X/Y! Or at least I saw an X/Y version in my head lool.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 9th, 2013 11:09 AM

If it's the hidden ability Mewtwo, than may this new forme have a different ability? Perhaps it won't keep unnerve and gain something else sort of like the Kami Radar trio when turned back to their normal formes, they have their hidden abilities.

Xander Olivieri April 9th, 2013 2:15 PM

I feel like it should be mentioned that it is now after 8am April 10th in japan. CoroCoro leaks are expected anytime after now for the next 5 days. I doubt we're getting anything new, but hope for at least the name of Majin Mew.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 9th, 2013 2:18 PM

I think we'll get them around the 12th this time, but who knows. I'm hoping that they'll show the other one, or even tell us if there's another at all.

Cyclone April 9th, 2013 2:26 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7617065)
I doubt we're getting anything new, but hope for at least the name of Majin Mew.

Is there an explanation?

Cyclone

SnowpointQuincy April 9th, 2013 2:30 PM

I think the DNA Splicer will factor into NewMew. The item has to be in the new games for Kyurem to change forms, so they might as well add new pokemon to interact with the DNA Splicers.

And people seem to think XY is genetic themed. DNA Splicers and the Mew Family would reinforce this.

Shiny Celebi April 9th, 2013 2:32 PM

I dunno if they even will give us more info on NewMew, I have the feeling they will hold it back for a while.

Xander Olivieri April 9th, 2013 2:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CycloneGU (Post 7617078)
Is there an explanation?

Cyclone

All news reports following a big release for X and Y have little to nothing new info wise. On original release, all they added were starter type confirmations and legends' names. Sylveon comes out and Smash reveals less info than CoroCoro. Big mewtwo info just released. Why update the site only to reupdate it a little over a week later? CoroCoro is probably going to mirror the main sites. Repeat the "new pokemon" thing, show majin mew, a few of the 3d clips, give no extra info and repeat movie posters.

I hope we get more info on it and Sylveon like everyone else. Most info presented says its not very likely though.

Cyclone April 9th, 2013 3:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SnowpointQuincy (Post 7617084)
And people seem to think XY is genetic themed.

Those who commented on the Japanese logo state the proof is right in the logo, so it's considered a fact at this point.

Cyclone

SnowpointQuincy April 9th, 2013 3:46 PM

I don't think they will tell anymore about NewMew until the movie comes out. They reveled this Pokemon at this time to promote the movie. They want you to see the movie to learn the name and story of NewMew.

They should just tell us Slyveon's Type already. It must be Flying... Normal... Pink TYPE?

Scorpiopt April 9th, 2013 4:17 PM

this image really made me tought of the possibility of the new mew being a fusion

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/7113/defaultwn.jpg

Cyclone April 9th, 2013 4:51 PM

But once again, how does the tail migrate to the head?

I'm leaning more towards a failed experiment like Mewtwo. Forme doesn't match the tail moving.

Cyclone

Guy April 9th, 2013 5:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CycloneGU (Post 7617243)
But once again, how does the tail migrate to the head?

How do Pokémon like Magikarp and Feebas evolve into Gyarados and Milotic respectively? How does Dewott evolve into something like Samurott? Sometimes a Pokémon's evolution just doesn't make sense or GameFreak doesn't feel the need to follow logic. Things like this just happen, because it's what GameFreak wants to do.

If Newtwo is some sort of new form for Mewtwo, it wouldn't be out of this world to believe that its tail moved to its head. Stranger things have definitely happened. I don't think it's an evolution for Mewtwo though, and I hope GameFreak doesn't delve further into Pokémon fusion than they already have. If anything, it's either a new form or as yourself and others believe, a standalone Pokémon who's deemed as a failed experiment; I'm rooting for the latter.

Shiny Celebi April 9th, 2013 5:42 PM

Pokemon dosent always follow logic. Sky forme Shaymin looks vastly different than Land Shaymin, but is still the same Pokemon. I think it's still very likely that is is a new Mewtwo forme.

Yamiidenryuu April 9th, 2013 5:53 PM

Keep in mind that we're getting a new movie trailer on the 18th that's supposed to shed some light on Newtwo. Given that, there probably won't be that much on it in Corocoro, which is officially released just a couple days before that.

Xander Olivieri April 9th, 2013 8:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Aerilyn (Post 7617260)
How do Pokémon like Magikarp and Feebas evolve into Gyarados and Milotic respectively? How does Dewott evolve into something like Samurott? Sometimes a Pokémon's evolution just doesn't make sense or GameFreak doesn't feel the need to follow logic. Things like this just happen, because it's what GameFreak wants to do.

If Newtwo is some sort of new form for Mewtwo, it wouldn't be out of this world to believe that its tail moved to its head. Stranger things have definitely happened. I don't think it's an evolution for Mewtwo though, and I hope GameFreak doesn't delve further into Pokémon fusion than they already have. If anything, it's either a new form or as yourself and others believe, a standalone Pokémon who's deemed as a failed experiment; I'm rooting for the latter.

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Originally Posted by Shiny Celebi (Post 7617284)
Pokemon dosent always follow logic. Sky forme Shaymin looks vastly different than Land Shaymin, but is still the same Pokemon. I think it's still very likely that is is a new Mewtwo forme.

Kinda going off both of these:

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/c/c0/Spr_5b_386.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/b/be/Spr_5b_386A.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/6/6c/Spr_5b_386D.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/2/28/Spr_5b_386S.png

Its the same Pokemon, but its body goes through very drastic changes. Skin added, reforms, removes, and thickens. Its head gets new, longer appendages in speed form, spikes in attack, and becomes a domed block in defense.

Migrating parts really that uncommon even with form changes.

vaporeon7 April 10th, 2013 2:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Aerilyn (Post 7617260)
How do Pokémon like Magikarp and Feebas evolve into Gyarados and Milotic respectively? How does Dewott evolve into something like Samurott? Sometimes a Pokémon's evolution just doesn't make sense or GameFreak doesn't feel the need to follow logic. Things like this just happen, because it's what GameFreak wants to do.

I agree, I think Game Freak threw any similarity between evolutions out the window whe they made Remoraid and Octillery.

blue April 10th, 2013 5:18 AM

Well I think many evolutions began to defy logic in the fourth generation, just take Nosepass and Probopass for example.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c9/Pok%C3%A9mon_Nosepass_Probopass_art.png/250px-Pok%C3%A9mon_Nosepass_Probopass_art.png

Pinkie-Dawn April 10th, 2013 5:51 AM

Wouldn't evolutions that defy logic be a good thing? It's more creative than a full evolved form being just a bigger version of its basic/first stage evolution. *coughPoliwrathcough*

It's how I see starter evos becoming since Gen 3, and if any leaks of the Gen 5 starters' evo look like only bigger versions of their basic/first stage pop up on the internet, then I call it fake.

Cyclone April 10th, 2013 6:24 AM

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Originally Posted by vaporeon7 (Post 7617691)
I agree, I think Game Freak threw any similarity between evolutions out the window whe they made Remoraid and Octillery.

Actually, I keep forgetting they're related. I think it was set up for an anime story, not so much for game purposes. And I have both in my Black PC because I forgot that relation. *d'oh*

Cyclone

brica8 April 10th, 2013 7:43 AM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7617448)
Kinda going off both of these:

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/c/c0/Spr_5b_386.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/b/be/Spr_5b_386A.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/6/6c/Spr_5b_386D.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/2/28/Spr_5b_386S.png

Its the same Pokemon, but its body goes through very drastic changes. Skin added, reforms, removes, and thickens. Its head gets new, longer appendages in speed form, spikes in attack, and becomes a domed block in defense.

Migrating parts really that uncommon even with form changes.

When I was reading the official site, I saw how it said it has powerful eyes. At first I thought that was kind of pointless information, but then I saw the eyes were different than Mewtwo's. I checked all the other form changes just for fun, and no matter how much their bodies have changed, the eyes have always remained the same (excluding Shaymin, who develops whites around its irises, but still very recognizable as the same eyes). Coincidence, or maybe a hint from GF?

AtecainCorp. April 10th, 2013 9:20 AM

I think is that new Pokemon can be not Mewtwo Form... But long waiting for fans MEWTHREE... Meybe they look similar. But it was idiotic idea to making a new Form for Pokemon from 1st gen in 6th generation. I think it was a Mewthree... And it take a new plot. Possible that Mewthree been weapon of Team Rocket in war with Team Plasma <Been two episodes do not aired about TR vs TP> Meybe this plot been in EXTREMESPEED GENESECT.

Shiny Celebi April 10th, 2013 10:03 AM

I honestly dont see how it can't be a Mewtwo forme and I say it has a good chance of being just that. Although I'd like to think that it's a new Pokemon,it does look quite similar to Mewtwo, though a bit weird on how it's tail is now on it's head, I'm sure there is an explanation.

Iqid Loopz April 10th, 2013 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by vaporeon7 (Post 7617691)
I agree, I think Game Freak threw any similarity between evolutions out the window whe they made Remoraid and Octillery.

First time I saw Remoraid, I thought it was cool Pokemon, would of had a bamf evolve form, like a Submarine Pokemon (Wailord does not count!). Cause it looked like a Torpedo for Mantine, until it evolved into a duck face octupus which was odd, and such a curve ball that hit me right in the face, in the tempo for an accurate spot. So I Game Freak doesn't do that again. Unless it compelled appropriate that Octillery to be its evolve from then I take it back.

Though Clamperl and its trade evolutions are borderline of the same subject, sort of, I think, ish.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 10th, 2013 2:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Iqid Loopz (Post 7618079)
First time I saw Remoraid, I thought it was cool Pokemon, would of had a bamf evolve form, like a Submarine Pokemon (Wailord does not count!). Cause it looked like a Torpedo for Mantine, until it evolved into a duck face octupus which was odd, and such a curve ball that hit me right in the face, in the tempo for an accurate spot. So I Game Freak doesn't do that again. Unless it compelled appropriate that Octillery to be its evolve from then I take it back.

Though Clamperl and its trade evolutions are borderline of the same subject, sort of, I think, ish.

Yup, those are very drastic, and so is Surskit's evolution...evolving from a water spider to a moth/ damselfly thing. So generation III's defenetely got several of those cross (real life) species evolutions.

Perhaps the eyes mean that it's become more vicious? It could be a "Red eyes- take warning" thing.

Ho-Oh April 10th, 2013 4:49 PM

I noticed the eyes too, actually. And what comes to mind is... Mewthree, evil or not? :(

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 10th, 2013 5:07 PM

It's the eleventh in Japan now...we should get something by Sunday if anything as the official site typically updates around Corocoro's release.

Xander Olivieri April 10th, 2013 5:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7618525)
I noticed the eyes too, actually. And what comes to mind is... Mewthree, evil or not? :(

No Pokemon is inherently evil. We have a few with Red eyes as well. The main site simply says his eyes show power which could be a hint that he's stronger than we may think. I don't think this new one will be evil.

Jake♫ April 10th, 2013 5:43 PM

I severely doubt that we'd be given an actually evil Pokémon. Just seems out of character for the games as a whole honestly.

Sirfetch’d April 10th, 2013 5:46 PM

I agree, making the pokemon evil just seems a little out of character and I doubt it will ever happen. People will always use Pokemon for evil purposes, but I can't see them putting in a Pokemon that is evil itself.

vaporeon7 April 10th, 2013 6:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jake♫ (Post 7618608)
I severely doubt that we'd be given an actually evil Pokémon. Just seems out of character for the games as a whole honestly.

That reminds me of the Island of Giant Pokémon episode. But anime means nothing, sooo...

Pinkie-Dawn April 10th, 2013 6:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jake♫ (Post 7618608)
I severely doubt that we'd be given an actually evil Pokémon. Just seems out of character for the games as a whole honestly.

Um, Spiritomb? According to its dex and the anime, it's evil.

Xander Olivieri April 10th, 2013 7:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 7618739)
Um, Spiritomb? According to its dex and the anime, it's evil.

Spiritomb's dex never said it was evil.

Diamond: A Pokémon that was formed by 108 spirits. It is bound to a fissure in an Odd Keystone.
Pearl: It was bound to a fissure in an Odd Keystone as punishment for misdeeds 500 years ago.
Platinum: Its constant mischief and misdeeds resulted in it being bound to an Odd Keystone by a mysterious spell.
HG/SS: It was formed by uniting 108 spirits. It has been bound to the Odd Keystone to keep it from doing any mischief.
B/W/B2/W2: Its constant mischief and misdeeds resulted in it being bound to an Odd Keystone by a mysterious spell.

Anime: Spiritomb, the Forbidden Pokémon. As punishment for misdeeds 500 years ago, Spiritomb was sealed in the fissure of an Odd Keystone

It says misdeeds, but all Ghost Pokemon cause terror and play pranks. Its part of who they are, but none of them were evil.

As for the Giant Pokemon from the Anime, if I remember correctly, they were sealed away because of their constant fighting that was tearing up the surrounding areas. I don't remember them being evil. They just caused strife due to their fighting.

Cyclone April 10th, 2013 7:23 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7618767)
As for the Giant Pokemon from the Anime, if I remember correctly, they were sealed away because of their constant fighting that was tearing up the surrounding areas. I don't remember them being evil. They just caused strife due to their fighting.

No. They were fakes that were part of a theme park, apparently run by Giovanni as he later got a phone call after they were destroyed. See episode 17.

There was one giant one I recall later that was real, a Claydol. I think it was seen as being evil?

Cyclone

Pinkie-Dawn April 10th, 2013 7:33 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7618767)
Spiritomb's dex never said it was evil.

Diamond: A Pokémon that was formed by 108 spirits. It is bound to a fissure in an Odd Keystone.
Pearl: It was bound to a fissure in an Odd Keystone as punishment for misdeeds 500 years ago.
Platinum: Its constant mischief and misdeeds resulted in it being bound to an Odd Keystone by a mysterious spell.
HG/SS: It was formed by uniting 108 spirits. It has been bound to the Odd Keystone to keep it from doing any mischief.
B/W/B2/W2: Its constant mischief and misdeeds resulted in it being bound to an Odd Keystone by a mysterious spell.

Anime: Spiritomb, the Forbidden Pokémon. As punishment for misdeeds 500 years ago, Spiritomb was sealed in the fissure of an Odd Keystone

It says misdeeds, but all Ghost Pokemon cause terror and play pranks. Its part of who they are, but none of them were evil.

But a well-respected user from BMGF mentioned about Spiritomb being evil because of its michief and misdeeds and shows no remourse nor regret.

Astinus April 10th, 2013 7:33 PM

I thought that Vaporeon7 was talking about the explanation Koffing, Ekans, and Meowth gave about how no Pokemon is actually evil, which happened in "The Island of Giant Pokemon". They just do evil things if that's what their trainers command them to do. (While Meowth says that he is evil with or without a trainer, but... Meowth.) It's been years since I've seen that episode, but that's the gist of it.

(At least, I think that's what the "Island of the Giant Pokemon" reference is to. The other Kanto episode with giant Pokemon is The Ancient Puzzle of Pokemonopolis, and the only thing I remember about that episode is giant Jigglypuff hilarity.)

Anime talk aside, a lot of the Ghost-type Pokemon are tricksters. Misdreavus scares people (for food) and I know another Ghost likes to pull on people's hair just to hear them scream. The only Ghost I could see being considered close to evil is Haunter, since its touch causes people to shiver until they die. But that's probably Haunter liking its tricks and killing people so it can have more ghost friends.

I doubt that Mewthree will be evil for no reason. Though the name "Eclair form" is kind of amusing to me and makes me hungry.

Cyclone April 10th, 2013 7:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Astinus (Post 7618793)
I thought that Vaporeon7 was talking about the explanation Koffing, Ekans, and Meowth gave about how no Pokemon is actually evil, which happened in "The Island of Giant Pokemon". They just do evil things if that's what their trainers command them to do. (While Meowth says that he is evil with or without a trainer, but... Meowth.) It's been years since I've seen that episode, but that's the gist of it.

I watched it again half an hour ago after seeing the reference here. I also just watched the Claydol episode. Claydol was referred to as "The Great Destroyer". This could imply being evil. However, it apparently was looking for the maiden who created the toys it played with, and fell in love with Wobbuffet until the hair got pulled away by Ash's Swellow.

As for the no Pokémon being evil reference, it was indeed Episode 17 where it was said in Pokémon-speak by one of the Team Rocket Pokémon.

All of this goes against the evil Pokémon theory brought up.

Cyclone

Xander Olivieri April 10th, 2013 7:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CycloneGU (Post 7618779)
No. They were fakes that were part of a theme park, apparently run by Giovanni as he later got a phone call after they were destroyed. See episode 17.

There was one giant one I recall later that was real, a Claydol. I think it was seen as being evil?

Cyclone

I was thinking of the one with Gendar vs Alakazam which were stopped by a gaint Jigglypuff.

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 7618792)
But a well-respected user from BMGF mentioned about Spiritomb being evil because of its michief and misdeeds and shows no remourse nor regret.

Doesn't really matter how well respected a person that has nothing to do with the actual company is says. Spiritomb wasn't made to be evil and nothing official says it is evil. If the user thinks that Spiritomb is evil then that's simply his opinion, not fact. Neither of its Pokedex's say its evil. In the anime episode it was sealed away for causing misdeeds as all Ghost Pokemon do. It was sealed away by a passing aura monk who didn't take kindly to Spiritomb's tormenting. When it was accidentally awoken it rampaged out of anger. A lot of animals do that too when provoked. Doesn't make them evil.

Other than Team Rocket's Meowth (who with Team Rocket have done good deeds as well, especially when Meowth wasn't with Jessie and James in some cases), none of the other Pokemon are evil by design.

Cyclone April 10th, 2013 8:00 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7618819)
I was thinking of the one with Gendar vs Alakazam which were stopped by a gaint Jigglypuff.

That would be this one. But that is not "The Island of Giant Pokémon" that you referenced.

Cyclone

Xander Olivieri April 10th, 2013 8:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CycloneGU (Post 7618834)
That would be this one. But that is not "The Island of Giant Pokémon" that you referenced.

Cyclone

I didn't reference it. Someone else did. I said something about giant Pokemon attacking the area and being sealed away to prevent damage. Either way, it was already mentioned that that episode was full of fake animatronic Pokemon owned by Team Rocket. So its not really a relevant part of the discussion.

Cyclone April 10th, 2013 8:14 PM

Exactly. The one sealed away was the Claydol, and even in that episode it's referred to as seeking a certain person, and ends up destroying everything. Kind of weird as I thought that Claydol evil.

Cyclone

Vapie April 11th, 2013 6:12 AM

The only way I could see Mewthree being "evil" is if maybe it is a being made up of all the evil inside Mewtwo, like Buu in DBZ. I seriously doubt it, but that's the only way I see it that way.

Iqid Loopz April 11th, 2013 7:33 AM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7618570)
No Pokemon is inherently evil. We have a few with Red eyes as well. The main site simply says his eyes show power which could be a hint that he's stronger than we may think. I don't think this new one will be evil.

Unfortunately, I don't think there are any Pokemon that are forever evil...other then that evil minded Togepi. I wish there was though a 'forever evil" Pokemon with zero soft side. But it's a long shot though, so nope hope on that one.

Cyclone April 11th, 2013 8:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Iqid Loopz (Post 7619408)
Unfortunately, I don't think there are any Pokemon that are forever evil...other then that demonic and possessed Togepi. I wish there was though a 'forever evil" Pokemon with zero soft side. But it's a long shot though, so nope hope on that one.

Not to get off track with anime discussion, but to promote the discussion of whether a Pokémon can be evil, I link the episode synopsis. I haven't watched this one yet.

Cyclone

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 11th, 2013 8:40 AM

I see this NewMew as possibly being more vicious/destructive (like Giratina almost who is said to have been banned due to it's actions almost like Susano'O in Shinto Mythology (Susano'O is still nice though, just rebellous)) than actually evil.

RandomDSdevel April 11th, 2013 9:31 AM

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Originally Posted by CycloneGU (Post 7591103)
Something to remember is that Red and Ash are still separate characters, hence Yellow which was based on the anime in giving you only Pikachu to use as a starter. In that game, you literally play as Ash Ketchum. Thus you have the four different people in the anime who started their adventure at the same time.

And yes, I like callbacks.

Cyclone

Hmmm…does that mean that those who woke up at the right time to get their Pokémon in the anime are the trainers from the games—i.e.: the Pokémon Adventures stars? Maybe Ash will meet Red someday! Or…maybe that would be a little awkward, especially since GameFreak would probably have to implement the ability to pick between Red, Ash, Blue/Gary, and Green and follow their stories in whatever game is the next remake of R/G/B/Y/FR/LG, which probably won't happen until way after the Hoenn remakes (come on, GameFreak, I want a copy of Sapphire back now!)

Cyclone April 11th, 2013 9:46 AM

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Originally Posted by RandomDSdevel (Post 7619521)
Hmmm…does that mean that those who woke up at the right time to get their Pokémon in the anime are the trainers from the games—i.e.: the Pokémon Adventures stars? Maybe Ash will meet Red someday! Or…maybe that would be a little awkward, especially since GameFreak would probably have to implement the ability to pick between Red, Ash, Blue/Gary, and Green and follow their stories in whatever game is the next remake of R/G/B/Y/FR/LG, which probably won't happen until way after the Hoenn remakes (come on, GameFreak, I want a copy of Sapphire back now!)

Technically, Gary is Blue. However, in Yellow, the Rival character is a completely independent character who is not actually represented in any form in the anime (there have always been only four Trainers from Pallet Town). You could say the anime ignores this fifth Trainer.

I'd find it neat if the anime names made an appearance, but don't count on it.

Cyclone

RandomDSdevel April 11th, 2013 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 7591174)
Again with the challenge mode? Difficulty settings do not belong in JRPGs, at all, because of the use of turn-based text windows, the post-game material, and the fact that you'll still overlevel your opponents. Haven't you learn anything from Extra Creditz's video about Pokemon difficulty curve? It's suppose to be one of those games that suppose simple to play through(the basic elements like type effectiveness and switch outs) but hard to master (Effort Values and Individual Values).

Can I have a link to this video? I can't seem to find it anywhere (I did find Penny Arcade's Extra Credits videos—you know, the industry commentary—, though, so it's kind of funny how that works…)

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Originally Posted by CycloneGU (Post 7591259)
If a challenge mode were introduced, I'd suggest to create a second storyline and send the player to all of the Gyms a second time around, challenging much more difficult teams. The badges can be enhanced versions, like having a golden treatment to them or something. Once all badges are collected again, the final E4 of the game has something like Lv.80 Pokémon with all the extra experience you've been gaining. There can even be a new Victory Road, and you can't rechallenge the E4 until you are eligible the second time, instead of being able to go right back. New benefits can be tied to the second round of badges, and thus you can for instance have Lv.70 trades stop obeying you with all eight "normal" Badges, etc. (No using high-level Events the first time!)

It would be neat if the second storyline goes through new areas that have the much tougher Pokémon you can train against.

Admit it, you like this idea.

Cyclone

I might keep a copy of this idea in my Project Aeonn folder…seriously, it's that good, especially since it fits very well with how big I made my Aeonn region. It's a pity, though, that I haven't gotten around to posting stuff about it online (but maybe I shouldn't since I'm planning to actually make the game…?)

Pinkie-Dawn April 11th, 2013 2:45 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7618819)
Doesn't really matter how well respected a person that has nothing to do with the actual company is says. Spiritomb wasn't made to be evil and nothing official says it is evil. If the user thinks that Spiritomb is evil then that's simply his opinion, not fact. Neither of its Pokedex's say its evil. In the anime episode it was sealed away for causing misdeeds as all Ghost Pokemon do. It was sealed away by a passing aura monk who didn't take kindly to Spiritomb's tormenting. When it was accidentally awoken it rampaged out of anger. A lot of animals do that too when provoked. Doesn't make them evil.

Wouldn't it not be an opinion if it was proven wrong by the official info of Spiritomb?

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Can I have a link to this video? I can't seem to find it anywhere (I did find Penny Arcade's Extra Credits videos—you know, the industry commentary—, though, so it's kind of funny how that works…)
Here is the link to the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWFzFsHc75U&list=UUCODtTcd5M1JavPCOr_Uydg&index=114

Guy April 12th, 2013 3:12 AM

It's the 12th, so we may be getting some CoroCoro scans later tonight. I'm not expecting much other than more movie details with a new poster perhaps, and maybe some extra details on Newtwo.

...a name would be nice.

blue April 12th, 2013 3:31 AM

Completely forgot about CoroCoro but I'm half expecting it to just cover the recent Mewtwo forme news we've had.

Guy April 12th, 2013 3:42 AM

With the small amount of information CoroCoro has given us in January and February and with nothing in last month's issue, I can't really blame you for forgetting about it. Not to mention, since the recent news of Newtwo being announced from Pokémon Smash, I think people's expectations of what to expect this month are much lower.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 12th, 2013 8:16 AM

And even if we don't get anything this time around we still have the Trailer for the movie which promises to show Newmew on the 18th. So we should know something new around next week.

Xander Olivieri April 12th, 2013 9:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 7619946)
Wouldn't it not be an opinion if it was proven wrong by the official info of Spiritomb?

No, being proven wrong by official info makes it an opinion if its still believed.


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Leaks have started.

Its about Mewthree again and said to contain a mini comic based on the movie.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 12th, 2013 11:46 AM

Ah Comic, no wonder Ash's face looks more kidish looking, I was wondering why that was. Maybe it'll have the trailer info?

Shiny Celebi April 12th, 2013 11:57 AM

I doubt it, they'll probably hold back for the trailer. I dont really expect anything of interest this month in CoroCoro, they'll probably just repeat what was revealed on Smash.

Pinkie-Dawn April 12th, 2013 1:41 PM

Maybe it'll how sneak peek of the comic version that contains Mewthree?

Liberal Army April 12th, 2013 10:17 PM

Corocoro has been leaked!
Not much information has been revealed, but the movie poster with Newtwo replacing Mewtwo is indeed real and is shown in the magazine. There's going to be a trailer on April 18th featuring Newtwo, so maybe some clearer information?
Also not to forget, Corocoro states this is a new Mewtwo Forme, and the movie title; 'Extremespeed Genesect and the Awakening of Mewtwo' represents that forme as it is the awakening of Mewtwo.

Ho-Oh April 12th, 2013 10:26 PM

With that in mind, Smash is tomorrow. Could we be seeing a preview to a preview of something next week??

Haza April 12th, 2013 10:41 PM

Incredibly annoyed that this wasn't a separate Pokemon. Like, why does Mewtwo need to be changed? This is my first time actually being disappointed with something new in Pokemon. I was perfectly happy with the idea of it being a different Mew clone. I'll get over it, but I still wish it was it's own entity.

Astinus April 13th, 2013 12:20 AM

Yeah, I'm also kind of disappointed in Mewthree being a Newtwo. It's getting rather tiring to have all these new forms for old Pokemon, some of which don't even need to be updated. I would have found Newtwo more appealing if it was a whole new clone, instead of just a weird change to a previous one. Hoping the trailer will start to swing my mind around to at least kind of liking this thing. It looks better than the original Mewtwo, I find.

Wondering how that would work, though. What would cause Mewtwo to change forms?

Guy April 13th, 2013 4:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7621995)
I've said this before and I'll say it again here: Why does Mewtwo even need a form? Newtwo was fine when it was speculated to be some distant cousin or something like that (which was actually really cool and would've preferred that), but a new form altogether is really going to put people off.

I really hope future news isn't going to travel down this road. I feel that (especially going by the recent replies in this thread) that something new would finally be a breather instead of having the same dog in a new winter coat, so to speak.

My guess is that since X/Y are supposedly going to revolve around a theme of genetics, GameFreak decided to jump on the opportunity of bringing back relevance to Mewtwo again while commercializing the return of an old fan favorite to possibly attract and persuade older fans to buy the games. Mewtwo never needed a new form, but GameFreak wanted it to.

I agree on your later statement though. Excluding the version mascots and starters, everything we've been given since have been connected to older generations, specifically the First Gen. I'm hoping the next set of new Pokèmon we get in the months to come are more X/Y native rather than ones connected to generations past.

Cyclone April 13th, 2013 5:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Aerilyn (Post 7622067)
My guess is that since X/Y are supposedly going to revolve around a theme of genetics, GameFreak decided to jump on the opportunity of bringing back relevance to Mewtwo again while commercializing the return of an old fan favorite to possibly attract and persuade older fans to buy the games. Mewtwo never needed a new form, but GameFreak wanted it to.

This is exactly the reason. When I translated the movie title in Google Translate, while it's not perfect, even it gave the word "awakening" to me, and I immediately knew that this was a new Forme of Mewtwo. So I've been thinking about it ever since.

And what do I think? I think it's cool. I don't see a problem with Mewtwo getting a new Forme; after all, if we can have Tangrowth and Porygon-Z after three generations, and new Eeveelutions after five, why not continue the unfinished story of a Legendary? They are going back to their first movie and making a sequel, if you will. Sequels, of course, often don't do as well, but this is Pokémon and the most popular (I think) Pokémon in the history of the game.

Even those who don't like the idea are going to be intrigued and go see the movie in Japan. And only then can people actually say what they really think.

Cyclone

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 13th, 2013 6:47 AM

Yeah, thus far everything new is focused on gen 1... I'll like some more focus on generations 2-6 related mons. And a 6 gen especially as it won't result in a 'they changed it, now it sucks' response from half of the vocal minority of the fan base...well not to the extent of changing gen 1's Pokémon.

Ho-Oh April 13th, 2013 7:08 AM

Generation 5 should get a lot of attention soon imo. I mean we're still part way through B2W2, so at least they could give us a few Pokemon related to gen 5 mons. :x

Pinkie-Dawn April 13th, 2013 7:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7622233)
Generation 5 should get a lot of attention soon imo. I mean we're still part way through B2W2, so at least they could give us a few Pokemon related to gen 5 mons. :x

I think GF is still trying to win back the older fans by focusing more on the Gen 1 Pokemon, hence the creation of Mewtwo's new forme, after Gen V caused a lot of controversy within the fanbase, from the changes I've listed from my old thread regarding Gen V. It just shows that past consumers share an important to keep Pokemon alive, or else Pokemon is finished even with a new generation of children.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 13th, 2013 9:35 AM

As I said before in the evolution thread I'm hoping it focuses on gen 3, 4, and 5. Gen 3 has lots of single member families they can add to a la Roselia. And Gen IV didn't get any cross generational evolutions due to Gen V's no relation to old mon's rule. And Gen V due to what Forever just said. I don't want Johto to get ignored though :x

Shiny Celebi April 13th, 2013 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 7622245)
I think GF is still trying to win back the older fans by focusing more on the Gen 1 Pokemon, hence the creation of Mewtwo's new forme, after Gen V caused a lot of controversy within the fanbase, from the changes I've listed from my old thread regarding Gen V. It just shows that past consumers share an important to keep Pokemon alive, or else Pokemon is finished even with a new generation of children.

I really dont think that's the reason. I think they simply want to use this to add on to Mewtwo's story so they made a new forme for it. Pokemon is far from finished. We dont even know how many Gen 1 evolutions there may end up being. The Gen 5 games were fine.

I personally am seeing a mix of evos from previous generations but how many I dont know. I really want more to see new evolutionary families, that's what I care much more about.

Cyclone April 13th, 2013 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7622620)
This seems pretty plausible~! Though honestly, I hope they focus more on Gen III Pokemon than anything else this time around. Hoenn just seems to have been largely ignored these past two generations (except when Gardevoir got a split-evo Gen IV as well as a few other Pokemon, but that's hardly anything, I think), so I'd like for GF to revisit more Hoenn pokes and base more Pokemon on that kind of style, if anything.



Mewtwo had a story to it? oO; Forgive me, since I've actually never played RBY, but from what I keep hearing, it seems that Mewtwo played a fairly minor role in the grand scheme of things, not really having much of a story at all.

In the games, it was found in a cave. There wasn't a huge storyline. You also couldn't explore the cave until after the E4, as a bonus for being the Champion.

In the first movie, he created an island battlefield and such to clone Pokémon for his new society.

Cyclone

tigerBLADE April 13th, 2013 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7622620)
Mewtwo had a story to it? oO; Forgive me, since I've actually never played RBY, but from what I keep hearing, it seems that Mewtwo played a fairly minor role in the grand scheme of things, not really having much of a story at all.

Well, it had a back story, but, it's back story was only hinted upon some stray books in the Pokemon Mansion in Cinnabar Island.

But again, these were only vague, as in, there were such diary entries like..

"Mew gave birth.
We named the newborn Mewtwo."

and,

"Mewtwo is far too powerful.
We have failed to curb its vicious tendencies…"

Things like that.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 13th, 2013 1:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7622620)
This seems pretty plausible~! Though honestly, I hope they focus more on Gen III Pokemon than anything else this time around. Hoenn just seems to have been largely ignored these past two generations (except when Gardevoir got a split-evo Gen IV as well as a few other Pokemon, but that's hardly anything, I think), so I'd like for GF to revisit more Hoenn pokes and base more Pokemon on that kind of style, if anything.



Mewtwo had a story to it? oO; Forgive me, since I've actually never played RBY, but from what I keep hearing, it seems that Mewtwo played a fairly minor role in the grand scheme of things, not really having much of a story at all.

I felt like Gen 5 forgot Johto and Hoenn for the most part as most the references were of Kanto and Sinnoh...Team Rocket and Galactic being mentioned, and Cynthia appearing. Though Team Rocket was also Johto's villains...so for the most part Hoenn's were ignored...the first teams to ever succeed (sort of) don't even get mentioned. Not counting PWT of course, as Hoenn was mentioned too. And Legends wise Kanto and Johto were ignored...except for the Celebi and Beast trio events that activated something in BW... and Mewtwo having a new move.

Maybe Johto and Kanto's legends will get more screen time to make up for their absence in B2W2 (No gen 1-2 legend was catchable in gen 5!)...

I always saw Mewtwo as not a test tube clone like in the anime, but more of a life birth clone like real life clones such as Dolly the Sheep. So it having a new forme may be what it's was originally suppose to look? But became mutated after the attempts to control it, aka they locked up part of it's powers...if so than the Mewtwo we know really isn't it's true self...

Cyclone April 13th, 2013 1:52 PM

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Originally Posted by tigerBLADE (Post 7622749)
"Mew gave birth.
We named the newborn Mewtwo."

Mew gave birth to a being that came to be twice its size? WTF?

Cyclone

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 13th, 2013 2:25 PM

Sometimes it happens in real life...also if this new forme is Mewtwo's original forme pre experiments perhaps it was smaller as a baby? It's possible.

Retro Bug April 13th, 2013 5:26 PM

DIE Magmaruby and Aquasapphire

I am curious and like to read the theories of how Mewtwo goes into said form. I like the idea of it being the "pre experiment" but that would mean there would have to be two Mewtwos or else I'm not sure how Mewtwo would transition into that pre-experiment form. Unless they give it something that does away with all the experiments they did, which is highly unlikely. Maybe they do more experiments on Mewtwo... ?

Also, yeah, I feel like they're trying to connect with older fans in a way or fans that just like Mewtwo, but as a person that likes Mewtwo this new form... isn't really growing on me. We'll see...

Gary's Ho-oh April 13th, 2013 6:09 PM

All I can think of for Mewtwo changing into its new form it has something to do with altering it DNA (but not like Deoxys).

And how would you react to this idea I just thought of: We know that Generations IV & V game had forms exclusive to versions after the launch versions of same said Generations (Rotom, Giratina, & Shaymin in Gen IV and the Kami trio & Kyurem in Gen V). What if they did exclusive Pokémon available only in a Generation VI version after X&Y?

Rivvon April 13th, 2013 7:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CycloneGU (Post 7622901)
Mew gave birth to a being that came to be twice its size? WTF?

Cyclone

Mew gave birth to another Mew. The scientist (Fuji) took it back to its lab and performed "years of horrific gene splicing and DNA engineering experiments" (Red/Blue PokéDex). I wouldn't be surprised if it was awake the whole time, too, considering how angry it always is.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 13th, 2013 8:14 PM

Perhaps this new forme is a manifestation of it's psychic powers? Idk something like that.

Pinkie-Dawn April 14th, 2013 6:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Rivvon (Post 7623317)
Mew gave birth to another Mew. The scientist (Fuji) took it back to its lab and performed "years of horrific gene splicing and DNA engineering experiments" (Red/Blue PokéDex). I wouldn't be surprised if it was awake the whole time, too, considering how angry it always is.

But doesn't that contradict Mewtwo's clone status as clones are created by test tubes rather than live birth?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 14th, 2013 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 7623899)
But doesn't that contradict Mewtwo's clone status as clones are created by test tubes rather than live birth?

In real life clones are born by live birth...so it's not impossible.

Rivvon April 14th, 2013 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 7623899)
But doesn't that contradict Mewtwo's clone status as clones are created by test tubes rather than live birth?

It's never stated to be a clone in-game. Only in the movie is it a clone.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 14th, 2013 1:02 PM

We're half a year away from the games, what else do you guys think we'll see? Do you think the region will be clouded in mystery like most things announced about X and Y?

SnowpointQuincy April 14th, 2013 2:39 PM

Speculation on X and Y: The region is shaped like a giant XY combo. Or, the roads could connect into an XY shape criss-crossing the region.

The DNA Splicers could be used on Bidoof. He could because dual-typed Normal + X with all 17 types.

Rotom will suddenly make sense.

(just having a joke making!)

vaporeon7 April 14th, 2013 2:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7624507)
We're half a year away from the games, what else do you guys think we'll see? Do you think the region will be clouded in mystery like most things announced about X and Y?

I feel that we will get a picture of the region, but a decent chunk will be covered by clouds.

Cyclone April 14th, 2013 2:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SnowpointQuincy (Post 7624650)
Rotom will suddenly make sense.

Like.

A region image would be nice, but the reason they cloud part of it is because it's beta, and not final. I don't see why they would just intentionally cloud part of the region; after all, the minimap doesn't say anything, and they could easily paste together two shots to remove any cursor, giving away nothing but the look of the area. Granted, we could pinpoint the starting location and starting path then, they may not want that or they might just show that.

Route 3 will be part of it, I'd bet.

Cyclone

Guy April 14th, 2013 3:29 PM

I'd be satisfied just knowing the region's name at this point to be honest. Although, I'm pretty that'll come when they finally show the map. So in other words, I also can't wait for them to reveal the map. That usually brings in quite the speculation as people dissect it. Which is my personal favorite part in speculating a new generation, dissecting the map.

Retro Bug April 14th, 2013 3:34 PM

((DIE Aerilyn))

Region's name would be nice or something about the Gym Leaders because that's who I'm most curious about but they won't reveal those until closer to the release. I do like when they reveal the map, it always looks so nice and all the theories that surround it make it that much more awesome.

I think my favorite part is dissecting the Gym Leaders. Dunno why, but I love it.

Somniac April 14th, 2013 3:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Retro Bug (Post 7624722)
((DIE Aerilyn))

Region's name would be nice or something about the Gym Leaders because that's who I'm most curious about but they won't reveal those until closer to the release. I do like when they reveal the map, it always looks so nice and all the theories that surround it make it that much more awesome.

I think my favorite part is dissecting the Gym Leaders. Dunno why, but I love it.

Ooh yeah, I'd love to see at least the designs for the gym leaders so we could speculate on the types of them or something :3

Guy April 14th, 2013 4:30 PM

I'm also looking forward to seeing the new Gym Leaders and what types they'll cover. I'm not expecting that until the last few months though. The region is usually something that is revealed earlier. I can't remember correctly, but I think by this time we had already seen Castelia City when Black and White were coming out. I could be wrong though, it might have been later.

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Originally Posted by Retro Bug (Post 7624722)
((DIE Aerilyn))

This game is still happening? I'm already dead, you're too late. :p

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 14th, 2013 7:54 PM

I don't believe we've learned about most of the gym leaders if any until after BW were out in Japan...we speculated on the possible buildings though, such as Brycen's.

Does anyone think an old character from and old region may be an elite four like how Caitlin was to Unova?

BraveNewWorld April 14th, 2013 8:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7625002)
I don't believe we've learned about most of the gym leaders if any until after BW were out in Japan...we speculated on the possible buildings though, such as Brycen's.

Does anyone think an old character from and old region may be an elite four like how Caitlin was to Unova?

I think you're right about the gym leaders.

A lot will depend on where the region is relative to the others. If we find out it's near, say, Hoenn, it increases the chances of a cameo from someone of that region. I do think it's likely that we see some past characters, though. It's been incorporated in past games.

Sabrewulf238 April 14th, 2013 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7625002)
I don't believe we've learned about most of the gym leaders if any until after BW were out in Japan...we speculated on the possible buildings though, such as Brycen's.

Does anyone think an old character from and old region may be an elite four like how Caitlin was to Unova?

I'd like to see Wally from the Hoenn region return as an elite four member.

I always liked Wally and if they're going to bring anybody back from the past I hope it's somebody from the Hoenn region.

Also Pokemon XY is apparentely long enough after the other games (except maybe BW) that anybody we met previously who wasn't so tough could have become majorly more tough in that time. It would be interesting to see.


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