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If i remember the rumors correctly they both are about even so it could be either. I am really hoping for a fairy type though.
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I think I'm more inclined to believe the Fairy type guy (pokexperto) because I'm more familiar with him and his leakage of all those 5th gen pokemon. That said I'm pretty confused about the whole thing.... |
This guy does have some credibilty due to leaking the BW Pokedex, I still would treat it as a rumor, but it is a very believable one at that. I see Fairy being a likely new type, and there are many Pokemon that fit into it, and could be retconned to have that type. Yveltal being Dark/Flying I would believe as it seems to have that look about it. Not saying it's real, but believable. I dont know why a guy who has posted a lot of real info would just make something like this up, but we'll see.
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Maybe they're his own speculation? Often times we tend to make our opinion sound like facts on here...so maybe they're doing that in this case.
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Looks like even MNN has gotten the info about the Fairy type rumor: http://mynintendonews.com/2013/04/22/pokemon-x-and-pokemon-y-to-introduce-fairy-type-pokemon/
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I really hope the Fairy Type rumor doesn't come to fruition. It sounds silly.
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Today? I guess we'll find out in about 12 hours or so.
Personally, I don't see Gamefreak retyping existing Pokémon. Though the Normal type is the one being replaced in a case like Clefairy, it sets it to have certain new weaknesses, even if it's no longer weak to Fighting, and completely changes how that Pokémon is used. Making it Normal/Fairy might make sense, however. With all that said, they won't retype Clefairy. It is already a complete family. Leave it alone. Cyclone |
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Wow.. You know, out of all the types mentioned for Sylveon, fairy makes the most sense to me. I would actually perfectly okay with this. At least Sylveon looks kind of fairy like, unlike the other rumored types it could be. They could definitely pull this off. I'm actually hoping it's true.
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There's the Fairy Egg Group
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Fairy_%28Egg_Group%29 If Fairy is a new type then those in the egg group are the likely candidates to receive the new typing. |
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I don't agree with Retyping though. There's no need to retype especially since that ruins Metagame more than just adding in a new type. They can always just do like they do with Bug and Dragon Egg Groups. Those in the egg groups don't have to be that type. There are 4 Bugs that aren't Bug typed and 16 dragons aren't Dragon typed. Also Snubbull retyped as a Fairy is scary. Granbull as Fairy is even worse. |
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It all still conflicts with the Mewtwo leak guy since he said that Sylveon is Flying type. Though...apparently if nothing appears in the next few hours to 11 hours I guess its false? The leaker said the info would come out today. Some said it was for the Japanese site which would be in 11 hours seeing as its just 1pm for them. If he meant today today, seeing as this rumor was posted earlier...according to Pokejungle there are some posts that are from 12 hours ago, so he has only 2 to 4 hours left to go. |
He's looking for attention, basically. He must be bored.
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Just had a small discussion about what Fairy could be strong/weak against.
Poison came up due to warranted belief that it needs a boost. Though based on old stories and the old ambiguous meaning and grouping for Fairy, it didn't really make sense...I started looking through some old info I had as well as various sites and remembered about Cold Iron. Iron was used to ward on Spirits, Fairies, Witches and other Malevolent Supernatural beings. If they follow this Steel should be SE and resist Fairy type Just to kinda play off, what do you think Fairy would be Super Effective against, be weak to, immune to or resist? |
Praying that "Fairy" translates to "Light"... if it's even true.
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Personally I'd say the 'Fairy' type is strong against Dark. If Fairy translates to 'light', like the above poster said then the concept does make sense in a way. In books generally or it's well-known that light overcomes dark. Dark being super effective against Fairy could also work but I would like to see something like this. I can't think of what it could possibly be immune to though so I'll figure that one out later. n_n
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I don't believe it one bit, there is no need for a new type, and Fairy just sounds unnecessary, Just wait til Pokemon.com reveals info themselves.
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I for one, while I don't think we need a new type, wouldn't mind something as mythical as a Fairy-type. It's certainly better than the overrated Light type anyway, which is speculated on every time a new generation comes knocking. Besides, if they can incorporate a new type and keep the balance, it could be a nice shake up for the meta-game. |
I really doubt that we will get a fairy type. Sylveon looks like a flying type.
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I would be pretty okay with a fairy type being introduced, it would really make that much of a major impact on gameplay and it would be a unique addition to the current type chart.
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I just realised that it is the same shape as Sylveon's ears.
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Fairy type would be neat..
Sylveon really fits, but I'm still all ears for something official to be released to I can chew at it like a termite! > : D |
Pokémon is almost 20 years old, it feels too late to add a new type in my opinion.
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So even with the two most common relations Light is strong against Dark and weak against dark while Dark can be immune to light. |
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I would still use the tutorial on the first play of any new generation game, idk why but it's a must have for me even if I do know how to play.
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There will always be some sort of loophole where it would totally possible to introduce a new typing into the games, but that doesn't mean that they have to/should. We really have no idea what's going on in the heads of Game Freak/Nintendo, and the Fairy-type rumor is just that: a rumor. It could be possible, but I really hope not =x
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Fairfolk type? That's an alternate name for fairies as they were easily offended if one called them fairies, so the legends I've read say. Maybe it could be called Magic type or something along those lines as Fairies are magical.
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Yeah, Magic would fit better than Fairy as it is an element(-ish).
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Metagame is only competitive gaming. And what I mean, We have set Pokemon already. They get retyped and take a huge hit thanks to the new types by doubling their weaknesses and barely increasing any strengths. Look at Fairy for example. Blissey line if to get Fairy can take a huge hit as their only weakness is Fighting. Fairy is say weak to Steel and...Dark for argument sake, now Blissey is weak to 2 common types. Blissey was used to wall thing with her bulky HP but now has 3 weaknesses. Say they add Rock. She is also now weak to Steath Rock which cripples her effectiveness. Some other new type idea: They release a Magic type. Say its strong against Ghost. Ghost Pokemon that weren't that used are now used less. While the chances to increase more pokemon's potential it messes with just as many if not more by hindering them further. Rebalancing the type chart isn't really the major issue. Pokemon that have existed for 5 generations are at risk of potentially huge crippling factors. Imagine Gardevoir getting Fairy typed and it being weak to Dark. She now has a x4 weakness to dark types which really hurts her. Clefairy's line isn't that used though she's an ok pokemon with Gen 4 and 5 updates. She gains new weaknesses which prevent her use even more. The entire tier list would shift when introducing a new type. That is an apparent given and what most Metagaming members fear the most...which is why so many are against adding more types. It ruins what they've mastered already and they'd have to completely rework teams. I'm not against adding new types. There is just a lot of hurt that is going to come in. It would be both a blessing and a curse as it resets the competitive field for a short time much like Gen 5 did when all the tournaments were only allowing Gen 5 Pokemon. It would probably take longer for them to balance out teams with new types added in than just new Pokemon, but that still remains that during that time the Metagame would have been destroyed and would have to be rebuilt from the ground up. |
You've got a point there, it would be a big change given how big the metagame has become since the last time they've added types. Gen 2 could get away with it, but I'm not so sure gen 6 can.
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Gen 5 changed some aspects of the Meta. Saying it didn't and saying Gen 5 ruined Meta are two contradicting statements. Gen 5 removed the OP'd set ups and then re-balanced some of the Pokemon with new abilities that lowered their use or upped their use. The balances were small enough that there weren't huge shifts. While I don't not want a new type, I'd be inclined to agree with the metagame whines about how bad a new type would completely ruin the current set up. Sure Rain teams will redominate the battle unless Gen 6 restructures Weather effects to increase the ones that lack or debuff the current headers so that non weather teams have more chances. Kinda hoping they introduce more Weather killers like they ended up doing with Psyduck. Maybe even more items that kill weather effects or abilities. There's more they can do to re-balance the metagame without introducing new types. They'd be smaller updates and the shifts would be smaller rather than throwing everything we have now into the trash and starting from scratch which is actually a lot harder. Someone new has a better chance as they don't have all the old stuff programmed into them. Older ones will try to use the old combos and teams only to get upset that their time was wasted since the new stuff completely ruined what they had been doing for a while. Completely shifting is ruining until everything is rebuilt. |
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Gen 6 can offer way better updates than a new type especially since we don't know if we are only getting 1 new type or not. If one is on its way, what's to say there aren't 2 or 3 new types? Also according to MNN Togetic gets type change...either Normal or Flying is getting removed if true. If flying is removed then Togetic and Togekiss no longer fear Stealth Rock or any of the common threats. It has potential to become a seriously dangerous Pokemon in Meta since it can abuse Serene Grace very well. While it seems like a good thing, everyone running it will pretty much be trying to Crit Hax their opponent. Some odder rivalries will appear but many Pokemon that aren't up to taking a Serene Grace Hacked Crit/Status will have severe tier drops. If Fairy replaces Normal, there is a lot of unforseen things that can happen to increase Togekiss' weaknesses more than as a Normal type. If this is the scenario then Togekiss gets ruined due to retyping. Look at all the people that were butthurt about the Rotom "fix" in B/W. Eventually some accepted it for Type walling, but all of the Rotoms had lost their core strategy which hurt it pretty badly until other ways to use it popped up. |
I couldn't read all the posts but I want to say that I am not against adding a new type. It is going to be interesting, in my opinion.
I will be sad, if they don't create good Dragon types tho. :( Can't wait for the game! |
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Yes. Variety. I love it.
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I wouldn't call Gen IV's metagame as the best, because of the complete dominance of Stealth Rock, which has hindered a lot of Fire, Ice, Bug, and Flying types, and it allowed Dragon types to wreck the metagame with physical Outrage, leading to the dominance of Water, Fighting, Ground, and Steel types to counter each other and resist Stealth Rock. There was also physical Dark moves like Pursuit that greatly hindered Psychic types. |
Even though it's only fan art, if the Boxart for X & Y were to look anything like this, I'd be happy.
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I would like box art like that. I'm expecting 3D box art though.
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I went back a few pages and didn't see this posted anywhere, so here's a tweet from Pokémon:
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Nothing like a fake tweet to cause confusion. I could easily create a fake tweet myself saying "Sylveon confirmed Bug-type" and there would be wild panic when I post the image because some people don't think, check the official account first; they haven't tweeted anything of that nature, obviously.
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I do think a new type is possible and I would welcome it. I personally care nothing for the metagame, it isn't about that for me, it's about adding something interesting to the games, a new type would do just that, mix things up. I like the idea of a Fairy type honestly, or any other interesting ideas they come up with. A new type also means more concepts to explore when creating Pokemon, and I'd look forward to seeing what the new type would include Pokemon wise.
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Thank the lord that tweet is fake, as I was freaking out (as Derk can attest to =P). Still, I REALLY don't want a new type.
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I'm hoping the starter town is in a different climate than it usually is, maybe it could be in the desert...that'll be something new and unique compared to the past six hometowns.
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Agreeing with a different climate for the starting town. I mean, it sort of makes sense having a neutral area for the three starters, but then again their all manually brought there anyways so that doesn't really matter anyways. But yeah, it'd just be interesting to have a player start near a volcano or in a desert as suggested!
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When I watched GCPM11's X & Y Countdown today he showed us a full list of the Pokémon of Gen. VI. He didn't mention a source and I believe it is fake. Names are so hnrealistic and there are over 17 Legendaries. That's just ridiculous. I try to find the list on tge internet to post it here.
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A list...is that list the fake one we got awhile ago? 17 legendaries...I certainly hope the real list doesn't have that many... |
To be honest with you .. i dont look very excited about the new Pokémon game Y and X.. I mean.. theyve put it 3D .. and .. i dunno why i dont like it at all .. its like if it removes all the fun and "view" on all the previous Pokémon games .. =p
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Speaking of April, we only have a week left of this month! 23 days until the official release of Corocoro's next issue...maybe Pokémon Smash or the official site will have release something early like Smash did this time around.
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Do you guys think these games will have lots of news in the long run? I looked back at Serebii's pre release new Pokémon page for Generation V and a lot of the Pokémon were released shortly after, like there's two or more per month after the games announcement in May. Or perhaps GF and Nintendo just unveiled XY a little too early...and that explains why the info is stretched though a longer period of time as it's not that much.
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I'd be happy with even one thing announced each month. March was disappointing because we got absolutely nothing, January and February we got a lot, and this month we got news of the new Mewtwo form. I'd be happy just to settle with one tidbit of information a month, along with hints of stuff to come.
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The less info I have, the less I anticipate it, the faster it will be here. That could be good, but I prefer to be excited and build that anxious feeling :) I would like to have a little info a month at least. I don't want the games completely spelled out for me and ruined, but I want something!
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You've got a point there, time seems to be going faster now than with BW, B2W2 and other games I've had considerable info on that I wanted.
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I don't think we'll have much news, if any in May.. we just had the Mewtwo announcement this month and they seem to be keeping quiet about these games. I'd bank on the summer months when more details will start to flow, even more so closer to the release date in October.
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I wonder if Pokemon X & Y sales can pick up the slack from the slump in Wii U Sales? According to Bloomberg, Nintendo are having financial issues.
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The biggest issue causing the Wii U sales is the lack of any real notable games. Once they get some out (like a new Mario, Zelda, or such), they'll be fine. Besides, X/Y will boost their profits anyways, so I wouldn't be too worried.
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I have my fingers crossed that May will be the beginning of some real X/Y news as we head closer into the summer (or winter, depending on where you live) months. Also, whatever new Pokémon they decide to reveal next, I'm really hoping it's something new and native to the new region and not connected to anything from previous generations. Those are always a bit more fun to talk about in my opinion.
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I'm still waiting for a link to the fakery. Anyone have it?
Also, the "Fairy" type release that someone rumoured was happening "today" didn't happen, so yeah. Credibility lost. Cyclone |
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I think Generation III was proably the peak of legendaries in term of designs overall, after that we got a mix of designs I feel. Hopefully Gen VI will be a rebirth.
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I tried to find the list yesterday but unfortunately...
I will do my best to find! I remember that Chespin's evolutions are called Chespine and Chespike. Chespike is Grass/Steel. Fennekin's final evolution is Fire/Psychic and Froakie's final evolution is Water/Dark. |
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I agree, I'm pretty sure Fennekin will end up that way, at least if not, maybe fire/ground I guess but I honestly doubt it'd be anything other than fire/psychic.
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It was my guess for Fennekin as well, and I called that immediately. I think I also picked Water/Fighting, and I think Grass/Steel was also a gimme (though I might have at first said Grass/Ground).
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Well I've finally found an English site with the full list. The link to the site is at the end of is post. You can find the list at the site in a spoiler.
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Even though that could be fake, I don't want to spoil the Pokedex, I'd rather wait until the release to discover them in game like I did with Black and White. Alhough I did see the evolutions of the starters and by the looks of the names and type combinations I do hope they're legitamte.
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I remember someone posted a list of the Pokemon for Black and White a couple of months prior to the release on Pokejungle which turned out to be real so I'm unsure whether to believe this one. I had another glance at the names and some of them sound really believable and sound like real Pokemon names, but 6 months before the release we get a full list of Pokemon? I just find that a little hard to believe.
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I see something went wrong with the end of the list. A lot of Pokemon are skipped. Here are they again.
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Tomato and potato Pokémon? Yeah going to have to call BS on that...
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I am not going to believe this list! haha It seems so fake, but I will say that I dont want a Dragon/Poison type! :( I want a cool Dragon/Psychic pokemon this time! :( haha I cant wait until October! :)
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You guys debunking it because of Tomato and Potato and yet no one comments on Porygon 3D...If anything that is the biggest clue that its fake XD
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Honestly the Torspring one isn't THAT out of the question, seeing as it is a turtle, which are partly water-based. Of course I'd expect to see more of a pure Fire type or a Fire/Ground type evolution though, or maybe Fire/Steel.
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Poster: Doesn't need Poster: Doesn't Need Honestly...Nothing needs to evolve. Please stop saying that. You simply don't "want" them to evolve. Nothing needs an evolution. They evolve because Gamefreak wants to evolve them. We don't see a purpose in them because we don't "want" them to evolve. I don't mind nor care what evolves since I have no personal control over it. They'll either be good or bad and depending on how much I like them I'd probably never use one even if its a god among Pokemon. |
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