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Guy April 3rd, 2013 3:10 AM

Gosh, that things is hideous. D:

I know there's been some speculation around the internet about Mewtwo getting a new form for the movie, but please, not anything like that. What's coming out from behind his head? That looks so weird.

Given how it has been going around for a few hours now, I would have hoped someone would have come up and claimed it as a fake or something. Still time, I suppose.

Sabrewulf238 April 3rd, 2013 3:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7606650)
The thing is, why would Mewtwo even need a new form? It's kind of one of those legendaries that are super powerful enough to live without one, so I don't really see it as necessary for it to have one. That being said though, where's Mew's role in all of this? I find it extremely odd that, if it's true that Mewtwo were to be given a new form, that Mew doesn't, so not a lot of things are adding up here.

I'm calling a fib on this one, really.

Do any legendary really need new forms though?

I always figured new forms was just a way to increase hype.

Guy April 3rd, 2013 3:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7606650)
The thing is, why would Mewtwo even need a new form? It's kind of one of those legendaries that are super powerful enough to live without one, so I don't really see it as necessary for it to have one. That being said though, where's Mew's role in all of this? I find it extremely odd that, if it's true that Mewtwo were to be given a new form, that Mew doesn't, so not a lot of things are adding up here.

I'm calling a fib on this one, really.

Why does any Pokémon need a new form?

While I agree, Mewtwo certainly doesn't need some new form, it doesn't give GameFreak a good enough reason not to do it. I just have to believe that if they were to do so, they would do something a whole lot better than that... thing.

Mew doesn't necessarily have to have its own form either if Mewtwo were to be given one. Mewtwo is a man-made Pokémon, genetically created by scientists using a strand of Mew's DNA. Other than that link, the two Pokémon are vastly different from one another, more so in the games than in the anime. So if Mewtwo were to have its own form, it could come from its genetic make up allowing it to change. Mew doesn't have to have anything to do with that. It is its own Pokémon.

Ho-Oh April 3rd, 2013 3:46 AM

Mewtwo technically isn't a mascot legendary. Sure it's a major legendary but it isn't a mascot like uhh Venusaur etc in those generations so it could get another forme - and Mew on the other hand didn't need to because maybe it'd be merged with Mewtwo to create said forme??

Rebel Rebel April 3rd, 2013 3:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7606680)
Except, don't forget that it would be extremely inconsistent, and I can tell that GF doesn't really swing that way. Remember back in late Gen IV when Giratina was given it's Origin form, and then we saw it in action even in movie style. It was powerful yes (and heck, you can see Origin form winning against Dialga in Movie 11 (at least, I think that's the right movie)), but by no means was it too significantly overpowered. That's what I'm saying here. There has not been one instance in a main Pokemon game whereas one of the mascot legendaries got an alternate form while the other mascot stayed behind. It just wouldn't seem...right, y'know?

So far, all of the mascot legendaries seem to be left alone, so I don't see why GF would feel the need to change Mewtwo in any way.

I don't understand what you're trying to say. You talk about a mascot legendary getting a new form (Giratina) while the others didn't (Dialga and Palkia), then say something about how strong they are (which doesn't seem relevant to your argument at all), and then try to say Mewtwo won't get a new form because they never only give one mascot legendary a new form, even though you literally just talked about them doing exactly that (and Mewtwo isn't a mascot anyway).

Guy April 3rd, 2013 4:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7606695)
I mean, I guess what I'm saying that is I think Mewtwo would just have some huge unfair advantage to it's counterpart, I suppose. u__u

Mewtwo already has a bigger advantage over Mew given its higher stats and a total base state of 680; 80 more than Mew's total base stats. The way I see it, they were never equal counterparts to begin with. Compare that to Giratina who shared the same total base stats with Dialga and Palkia, even in its Origin Form.

Like I said, Mewtwo and Mew only share a connection due to their shared DNA, other than that, the two are very much their own separate entities. So Mewtwo getting an alternate form (if that even turns out to be a real thing at all) wouldn't really have anything to do with Mew in my opinion.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 3rd, 2013 5:32 AM

Well Kyurem did get an advantage with it's new formes against it's trio after having a disadvantage in it's original forme. So trios have had one member with a new forme while the rest don't.
Also if they were to give Mewtwo a new forme it could get the Giratina treatment or even the Keldeo treatment to keep it from becoming more uneven... the last one would be stupid however imo.

Spherical Ice April 3rd, 2013 6:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7606650)
The thing is, why would Mewtwo even need a new form? It's kind of one of those legendaries that are super powerful enough to live without one, so I don't really see it as necessary for it to have one. That being said though, where's Mew's role in all of this? I find it extremely odd that, if it's true that Mewtwo were to be given a new form, that Mew doesn't, so not a lot of things are adding up here.

I'm calling a fib on this one, really.

Well, Mewtwo was a genetically engineered Pokémon so maybe this is TR's attempt to make it even better? I don't see why Mew would need to get affected. With that said, I do hope that if Mewtwo gets a new forme that this isn't it because...for one thing the r34 will be everywhere.

Pinkie-Dawn April 3rd, 2013 6:18 AM

Why exactly does Mewtwo need a new forme? Wouldn't that make him way too overpowered than he is now (unless they pull a Keldeo on him)? But now that I think about it, if Mewtwo does get a new forme, it might as well be his final smash if he was able to come back in the next SSB title, which is a clever marketing strategy.

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7606663)
I can actually understand a few. There were a few that needed it (like Shaymin, for example, and perhaps Giratina just for the sake of story and background purposes, I suppose. At least there was some sort of story surrounding it, in the form of a movie). And there were a few that kind of didn't need it (Kami trio, really, along with Keldeo to some sort of extent?). So ultimately, I can see why the whole concept would be used to create hype.

But hype is really the only reason why this image of a deformed Mewtwo is even floating around the internet, nothing more.

The reason they gave the Kamis new formes is because of the complaints about them being recolors, and yet now the same people are complaining about them having different formes, which shows contradictory within the fanbase.

WeavileCY April 3rd, 2013 7:01 AM

I can't wait for this new generation!

Sabrewulf238 April 3rd, 2013 7:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 7606792)
The reason they gave the Kamis new formes is because of the complaints about them being recolors, and yet now the same people are complaining about them having different formes, which shows contradictory within the fanbase.

Who says it's the same people?

What if the people who didn't complain about them being recolours are now complaining about their new formes and the people who did complain about them being recolours are now perfectly content and quiet.

The fanbase isn't one whole entity with one singular opinion. Chances are when one section of the community becomes content another section of the community starts getting the hump. You can't please everyone.

Liberal Army April 3rd, 2013 7:19 AM

This is fake. Definitely. Just look at it.
And btw, the Mewtwo from the movie is distributed over Wi-Fi for any gen. V games. So there is no way that Mewtwo can change in its new forme.

blue April 3rd, 2013 7:40 AM

That new Mewtwo forme looks too... Idk, it looks legit but I'd still wait until confirmation.

Xander Olivieri April 3rd, 2013 8:49 AM

Its definately photoshoped.

Love how some people who deny it being a new form but still want it to be real are calling it Mew3

Xander Olivieri April 3rd, 2013 8:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7606924)
Which is also kind of funny, because I'd imagine if Mewthree would've ever existed, it would be a lot better looking than that.

People would say the same for a Mewtwo alternate form.

Sabrewulf238 April 3rd, 2013 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7606921)
Its definately photoshoped.

Love how some people who deny it being a new form but still want it to be real are calling it Mew3

I saw somebody on deviantart call it: Mewfuuu

He wasn't really pleased with the design.

Guy April 3rd, 2013 11:45 AM

Someone's trying to pull an April Fool's joke on everyone it seems. There's still no word on whether it's real or not, but I'm willing to call it a fake. Over at PokéBeach's main page, they do a lot of dissecting of the two scans in question and they point out a number of inconsistencies on top of what SolarAbusoru mentioned on the previous page.

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Originally Posted by legendhunter14 (Post 7606844)
And btw, the Mewtwo from the movie is distributed over Wi-Fi for any gen. V games. So there is no way that Mewtwo can change in its new forme.

Not to say it's real or that this will happen, but there's always a chance that the Mewtwo event can be a key to unlocking something else in X/Y ─ in this case, a new form. For example, the Shiny Beasts event that was distributed for any of the Gen IV games as promotion for the Zoroak movie. If you transferred any one of the three beasts into Black and White, you could unlock a Zoroak in the game. Albeit, that movie did star a fifth gen Pokémon in it, while we have no word as to whether any new Pokémon from X and Y will star in this new movie other than Sylveon in the new Pikachu short.

Echidna April 3rd, 2013 11:57 AM

And the video said April Fools in the title. Wow I'm such a bimbo. Anyways that Mew-Two form looks genuinely badass! And I really hope this is real because Eeveelution + MewTwo form is looking kinda good for previous generations with generation 6, if that makes any sense at all.

Let's just hope it's real, although Serebii posting it gives it quite a bit of credibility lmao.

Moist April 3rd, 2013 12:04 PM

Wow. That new form of Mewtwo is not really Ken Sugimori style enough for me to believe its true. Which is sad because Mewtwo getting a new form sounded awesome.

Cura April 3rd, 2013 2:15 PM

I've seen that poster before, with the normal Mewtwo in it, this just looks photoshop'd, heavily and like the recent Mr. XY on 4-chan turning out to be a fake, a lot of this info that was listed is incorrect, yet sites aren't removing it... I think some are just... wondering why...

Found the poster: http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/b/bb/M16_poster.png

Xander Olivieri April 3rd, 2013 4:07 PM

The poster isn't being discredited yet on the off chance it is real. The biggest issue I see right now...the guy that leaked the info has a PHYSICAL poster that he crinkled up...the other posters are not available as of yet. So how does this one guy have a physical copy of an unreleased copy and if they are out and about why is there not more reports to back up this find? If its in japan, there should be more floating around. No confirmation when there is a physical poster in hand makes this thing highly unlikely.

Cerberus87 April 3rd, 2013 4:30 PM

While it's most likely fake, I would love to see a new Mewtwo form, the original god of Pokémon deserves some love. However, it just got Psystrike in 5th gen which is a very powerful move so it might not be the moment for a new form.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 3rd, 2013 4:39 PM

I think it's too early to be true. It does look quite cool however.

DashieFactory April 3rd, 2013 6:10 PM

Hm... A new Mewtwo form just seems so out of the question at this point in time. It would be cool, I'm not saying I wouldn't love to see a new Mewtwo form, but come on, would Gamefreak really throw that in now?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire April 3rd, 2013 6:17 PM

They gave it a signature move in gen V...Mewtwo is fanservice is all I can say especially for the gen 1 players.


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