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Ho-Oh February 4th, 2013 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Cerberus87 (Post 7523318)
Sorry to sound contentious but doesn't the fact Skuntank is NU mean it sucks competitive-wise as opposed to being good? I mean, it might be good in NU but being good in NU doesn't say a lot about that Pokémon's power.

The lower tiers are a reality but, when the chips are down (e.g. in tournaments), no use will use Pokémon below BL. Lower tiers are just fun-tiers.

(and yes I hate tiers)

Nah there's lots of Pokemon in lower tiers that are very viable in OU, for example Sawsbuck and Amoonguss, it's just that they're outclassed by other things most of the time, or don't get enough usage to be in the higher tiers. It's not that they suck it's just that they aren't used enough in the higher tiers really. Because as I mentioned, Sawsbuck can be an amazing OU sun sweeper and OHKO a lot of mons, etc.

Also I hope NU gets a lot of positive changes and things that can help out the current psychic domination in gen 6. :3

Cerberus87 February 4th, 2013 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7523320)
Nah there's lots of Pokemon in lower tiers that are very viable in OU, for example Sawsbuck and Amoonguss, it's just that they're outclassed by other things most of the time, or don't get enough usage to be in the higher tiers. It's not that they suck it's just that they aren't used enough in the higher tiers really. Because as I mentioned, Sawsbuck can be an amazing OU sun sweeper and OHKO a lot of mons, etc.

Also I hope NU gets a lot of positive changes and things that can help out the current psychic domination in gen 6. :3

But the thing is, they aren't used because they're outclassed, or they're hard to use. And also because most players prefer the smooth sailing provided by having a Garchomp, Terrakion or Reuniclus in their teams.

What I really wish is that NU becomes a place for Pokémon which aren't supposed to battle, like Unown and similar things. It's really difficult to balance 300+ evolved Pokémon plus Eviolite-NFE, though.

vaporeon7 February 4th, 2013 2:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Cerberus87 (Post 7523323)
But the thing is, they aren't used because they're outclassed, or they're hard to use. And also because most players prefer the smooth sailing provided by having a Garchomp, Terrakion or Reuniclus in their teams.

What I really wish is that NU becomes a place for Pokémon which aren't supposed to battle, like Unown and similar things. It's really difficult to balance 300+ evolved Pokémon plus Eviolite-NFE, though.

Actually in my experience in battling competitions, I'd say more than half of the top players used Amoonguss.

Ho-Oh February 4th, 2013 3:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Cerberus87 (Post 7523323)
But the thing is, they aren't used because they're outclassed, or they're hard to use. And also because most players prefer the smooth sailing provided by having a Garchomp, Terrakion or Reuniclus in their teams.

What I really wish is that NU becomes a place for Pokémon which aren't supposed to battle, like Unown and similar things. It's really difficult to balance 300+ evolved Pokémon plus Eviolite-NFE, though.

Still doesn't mean they're bad though, really. ;( Some good mons are just used less, that's all.

And I would not want that for gen 6 at all. NU is a great metagame, and the things that shouldn't battle are really PU/NFE etc. NU in gen 6 is something I reallyyyy want. :3

vaporeon7 February 4th, 2013 3:11 AM

Who knows? Some Pokémon might get a huge turnaround like Politoed did. It was never used in Gen IV and now it's one of the most common Pokémon in OU. All it really takes is one major addition and it can change everything. An NU Pokémon like Vanilluxe would definitely move up a couple of tiers if it got another ability like Snow Warning.

blue February 4th, 2013 3:42 AM

Cloyster became a real competitor once it gained Shell Smash too, I can see something similar happening to Pokemon that are currently in the NU tier.

vaporeon7 February 4th, 2013 3:50 AM

I kinda hope some of my favourites get a big boost. It wouldn't be too over the top for Beedrill to get Speed Boost would it?

blue February 4th, 2013 3:54 AM

I'd like Beedrill to get a boost too, a BST of 385 is pretty poor given that it's at the final evolution. If it were to gain Speed Boost I think Butterfree would have to get an equally enhancing ability, same goes for Dustox & Beautifly.

vaporeon7 February 4th, 2013 4:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7523441)
I'd like Beedrill to get a boost too, a BST of 385 is pretty poor given that it's at the final evolution. If it were to gain Speed Boost I think Butterfree would have to get an equally enhancing ability, same goes for Dustox & Beautifly.

They already have Quiver Dance at least.

Pinkie-Dawn February 4th, 2013 6:47 AM

The only way to save NU Pokemon from being NU is a base stat revamp, which is a possibility given that each even-numbered gen changes something from the game mechanic. Gen II had the special stat split, and Gen IV had the physical/special move split.

Cyclone February 4th, 2013 7:42 AM

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Originally Posted by vaporeon7 (Post 7523383)
Actually in my experience in battling competitions, I'd say more than half of the top players used Amoonguss.

So? Not a single World Championship finalist last year used one. Clearly the users of Amoonguss didn't make it!

Cyclone

Platinum Lucario February 4th, 2013 9:15 AM

Hm... it makes me think about which older Pokémon would end up with improved BST and when the new Pokémon get revealed... seeing how high their BST would be in Pokémon X and Y.

It'll be interesting to see what happens.

vaporeon7 February 4th, 2013 9:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 7523602)
The only way to save NU Pokemon from being NU is a base stat revamp, which is a possibility given that each even-numbered gen changes something from the game mechanic. Gen II had the special stat split, and Gen IV had the physical/special move split.

Nope, as mentioned earlier, Politoed used to be NU and thanks to one addition in Drizzle, it is now one of the most common Pokémon in OU.


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So? Not a single World Championship finalist last year used one. Clearly the users of Amoonguss didn't make it!
Well at my local one, the winner did in fact use one. Pokémon that may not be in OU can still easily be used there. Such as Riolu.

Cordelia February 4th, 2013 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by vaporeon7 (Post 7523754)
Nope, as mentioned earlier, Politoed used to be NU and thanks to one addition in Drizzle, it is now one of the most common Pokémon in OU.




Well at my local one, the winner did in fact use one. Pokémon that may not be in OU can still easily be used there. Such as Riolu.

Doubles definitely allows Pokemon who aren't used much or at all in singles a chance to shine. Zapdos is UU in singles but crazy awesome in doubles... along with Cresselia. Amoonguss is another favorite along with Dusclops. Just nice to have different options.

vaporeon7 February 4th, 2013 12:09 PM

I think they'll keep the seasons, if they didn't, what would happen to Deerling and Sawsbuck?

MarrMii February 4th, 2013 12:11 PM

I think they have the idea of the new X and Y version wrong...Since its on the 3DS...The pokemon adventure is fully 3 dimensional. The X,Y and Z axis are responsible for the creation of this 3 dimensional view of the pokemon world and each legendary represents an axis.Without their existence the world would be void. The bad guys are gonna be called team oblivion and their goal is to destroy the three legendaries to somehow start a new world...

EJ February 4th, 2013 12:38 PM

Naturally that makes sense to ask about Deerling and Sawsbuck, but let's look at Leafeon, Glaceon, Magneton, etc. You couldn't evolve them in HeartGold/SoulSilver unless you traded back to D/P/Pt.

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Originally Posted by MarrMii (Post 7523906)
I think they have the idea of the new X and Y version wrong...Since its on the 3DS...The pokemon adventure is fully 3 dimensional. The X,Y and Z axis are responsible for the creation of this 3 dimensional view of the pokemon world and each legendary represents an axis.Without their existence the world would be void. The bad guys are gonna be called team oblivion and their goal is to destroy the three legendaries to somehow start a new world...

[citation needed]
http://i.imgur.com/cS28AmA.jpg

vaporeon7 February 4th, 2013 1:39 PM

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Originally Posted by .EJ (Post 7523933)
Naturally that makes sense to ask about Deerling and Sawsbuck, but let's look at Leafeon, Glaceon, Magneton, etc. You couldn't evolve them in HeartGold/SoulSilver unless you traded back to D/P/Pt.

There are always Pokémon you can't catch in every game though. You can't really explain Deerling and Sawsbuck.

ilovejirachi123 February 4th, 2013 1:44 PM

i don't mean to sound stupid but what exactly is a UN and a OU pokemon.

Cyclone February 4th, 2013 1:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ilovejirachi123 (Post 7524013)
i don't mean to sound stupid but what exactly is a UN and a OU pokemon.

I want to know this, too. For now, I found this: OU Pokémon - Smogon University.

EDIT: Clicking a link there tells me "UN" is a typo. OU is "Overused", NU is "Never Used".

Cyclone

Z25 February 4th, 2013 1:58 PM

I believe that it is based on the legend that was brought up where they represent the land, air, and sea. I think the new villains will be knights and another team of scientists. It would be one team conquering the region with methods that were used in the past like fighting with swords and pokemon. The scientist team could represent trying to conquer the region with new technology and maybe genetically alerted pokemon like porygon, etc. It probably won't happen though. I saw an interesting rumor for the game that states that the starters evolutions become European based. It said that froakie became electric and water and resembles a viking, fennekin becomes fire and psychic and resembles a wizard and chespin becomes grass and fighting and looks like a knight with chestnut armor. It also mentioned some other pokemon, some of which were based on European culture.

vaporeon7 February 4th, 2013 1:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CycloneGU (Post 7524027)
I want to know this, too. For now, I found this: OU Pokémon - Smogon University.

Cyclone

It's actually NU.

They're some of the tiers in Smogon's tier system.
Tiers are as follows: NU, RU, BL2, UU, BL, OU and Uber.
There is also LC, Limbo and NFE.

The tiers system is explain in detail here.

blue February 4th, 2013 2:00 PM

NU - Never Used. These are the Pokemon that aren't often used, this is mainly due to those Pokemon that are over looked or have poor statistics.

OU - Over Used. These are Pokemon that are used more than others, this is mainly due to useful abilities or a sturdy BST.

Guy February 4th, 2013 2:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ilovejirachi123 (Post 7524013)
i don't mean to sound stupid but what exactly is a UN and a OU pokemon.

Not a stupid question. In competitive battling, there are tiers that help divide Pokémon into certain brackets based on how frequent they are used and how useful they are in competitive battling. There are more than just "NU" (I believe that's what you mean) and "OU" as listed below:

Uber
: Typically Pokémon banned from being used in other tiers. They usually consist of legendaries but not always.

Over-Used (OU): The most popular tier in the metagame. This consists of Pokémon you're more than likely to see used in the metagame.

Borderline (BL): Pokémon that exceed the expectations for the tier Under-Used, but doesn't exactly fit in the OU bracket.

Under-Used (UU): Pokémon that aren't used very often in competitive battles and you're not likely to see them used most often in the OU tier.

Never-Used (NU): The title isn't to be taken literal, but these are Pokémon that you're not typically going to see being used very much or at all.

Not Fully Evolved (NFE): I think this one speaks for itself.

I think that covers most of it. I haven't been in the competitive scene for such a long while honestly.

Edit: Got my butt whopped by the above posters. But you get the idea now!

I'm expecting X and Y to shake up the metagame scene a bit. At least I hope so, maybe I might get back into it again...or maybe not. But hey, you never know!

ilovejirachi123 February 4th, 2013 2:05 PM

thanks thats good to know now i can join in on the conversation.

something wierd i've noticed is that the professers are named after trees.
Oak,Juniper,Burg.


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