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Guy February 25th, 2013 2:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7554535)
I think the whole Fire/Fighting thing is going to be the worst nightmares of Pokefans worldwide, to be honest. XD It looks to be more Fire/Psychic or something along those lines, but that's just me~!

Not that I'm saying Fennekin's evolution will turn out to be Fire/Fighting, nor do I want it to, but when CoroCoro first revealed the starters of Black and White, I thought Tepig looked like it had the potential to evolve into a Fire/Dark type and Snivy a Grass/Psychic type. Neither of which happened.

/sadface

Ho-Oh February 25th, 2013 6:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Zayphora (Post 7554510)
Unfortunately this means we'll be hearing "FENNIKEN IS FIRE/FIGHTING GUIZE!!!!1!!!!1!!" all the way till October...

Bonus part is those speculations will probably be unwarranted as we'll see hints to it being fire/psychic ;)

Kiriyuuki Kasuna February 25th, 2013 9:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Zayphora
Unfortunately this means we'll be hearing "FENNIKEN IS FIRE/FIGHTING GUIZE!!!!1!!!!1!!" all the way till October...

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7554852)
Bonus part is those speculations will probably be unwarranted as we'll see hints to it being fire/psychic ;)

I would love for Fenniken to be a Fire/Psychic as that is the typing I'm speculating right now, I just do not want another Fire/Fighting type AGAIN , 3 generation of that is more than enough tyvm, I'll sue GF if they continued with that ungodly type combo for another generation.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 25th, 2013 9:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 7554852)
Bonus part is those speculations will probably be unwarranted as we'll see hints to it being fire/psychic ;)

They didn't really give us hints to Tepig's evolutions second type so I doubt they will again. Though, Emboar and Infernape were both based on a Journey to the West, so maybe GF saw the need to give them the same type as parallels. It doesn't seem like there's a Fox, so maybe we're safe...also thus far we haven't had two Fire/Fighting Starters in the same generation if one counts remakes and their starters Blaziken (the first Fire/Fighting starter) was in generation 3 which had remakes of Red and Blue, Charzard coindentially has Flying which is strong against Fightning, so if Fennekin's final has Psychic it'll be strong against Fighting, and if we do get Gen 3 remakes it'll be Blaziken as a starter again who is showing up in another generation shared with a starter strong against it. I hope they go ahead and do something like that...for now I only have straws to hold on to. I accepted Emboar, and Infernape as they are based on different fighting styles, yet what can a fox have as a fighting style...hmm.

Xander Olivieri February 25th, 2013 10:35 PM

Why doesn't anyone have a real reason to dislike Fire/Fighting? I have yet to see a real reason as to why anyone dislikes it. There isn't anything wrong with the typing at all and as it is now, Fire/Fighting would be better than Fire/Psychic.

"Just because its been done" Isn't even close to a valid answer. They have reused the same base concepts for 5 generations without every changing much beside the outward designs. There is MUCH worse reused every Generation that people actually want to see. Why aren't people complaining about the constant repeat of Normal/Flying Birds that appear in every region? Why aren't people complaining about the Normal type rodent that appears every region? Why aren't people complaining about the thought of an Electric Rodent Pikachu ripoff that appears in every region?

Its been done 3. THREE times. Unlike the FIVE times other things have been redone.

Here is a quote of what I wrote comparing the two type possibilities:

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Fire/Psychic is weak to 5 types. Ground, Rock, Ghost, Dark, and Water
It resists 6 types: Fighting, Steel, Fire, Grass, Psychic, and Ice.

Fire/Fighting is weak to 4 types. Flying, Ground, Water, and Psychic.
It also resists 6 types: Bug, Steel, Fire, Grass, Ice, and Dark.

We're asking for Fennekin to be ruined for battle by wanting it to be psychic. Competitively its a lot weaker than Blazekin, Infernape, and Emboar. They share 2 Weaknesses between them. Psychic adds Stealth Rock weakness, and opens it to Ghost and Dark Weakness, One more common than the other. Both Psychic and Flying aren't as common, but still usually represented in most teams.

Resistance wise; Steel, Fire, Grass, and Ice are the only commons. Fire/Fighting resists Bug and Dark while Fire/Psychic resists Fighting and Psychic. If Fennekin were Special based with low to average defense as most psychics have, then resistance to Fighting wouldn't mean much.

Fire/Psychic looks good on paper, but it is not better than what we already have. Nor does it take away from the excitement of evolving. If that is the only reason you won't evolve it, then you shouldn't pick it as your starter. There are many other benefits to evolving the Pokemon not to mention the change in appearance is really the only excitement involved with evolving Pokemon.

EDIT:After looking over the Starter's types as a whole, the one with the greatest benefit is Chespin definately. Being Grass/Rock gives it a pretty good advantage over both Froakie and Fennekin. While being part rock loses its resistance to water, it also loses its weakness to Fire. Being a Rock type it is also good against Froakie's supposed Flying type and Fennekin's Fire type. So Chespin would be the definite best of the region.

Froakie being Water/Flying gives it only two weaknesses. A crippling x4 to electric, but there are things that can be done to ease that a bit, and a x2 to rock. It loses Grass Weakness but stays weak to Chespin while retaining its advantage over Fennekin.

Fennekin, unless made into Fighting type will lose to both Froakie and Chespin in match up. While as a Fighting type it can retain advantage over Chespin, but has a double disadvantage under Froakie. If Fennekin is Fire/Psychic it loses to Chespin's Rock and Froakie's water and has no advantage against either one based on typing alone. Either way, if Chespin is rock, Fennekin will suck compared to the other two. So if Froakie and Chespin get their proclaimed types, Fennekin is definitely the Snivy of this generation.
I still don't see why it has to be nitpicked at the fire starter when there are more glaring issues they can fix like the three I posted. Those are a thousand times more annoying concept wise than the Fire/Fighting Starter. Three highest tiered Fire Starters
Uber: Blazekin
Over Used: Infernape
Rarely Used: Emboar/Typhlosion
Neverused: Charizard.

Fire/Fighting are all used up to Rarely used meaning they are commonly seen on some teams with Typhlosion and Emboar basically tied for 3rd. Fire/Flying Charizard is never used, which means he hardly ever sees the light of day in battles despite being such a fan favorite.

Compared to their counterparts in the same generation:

Blazekin easily beats out the other two in competitive use.
Infernape is higher than both Empoleon and Torterra.
Emboar is used more than both Serperior and Samurott despite both having been said to have better movepool and stats. And despite both being liked more than Emboar.

At least with Fennekin being Fire/Fighting it stands a chance of staying out of NU tier as it can be a fast Special Sweeper.

Sorry for ranting but its really getting on my nerves to see people blindly bashing a top tier type combination just cause they want to and not doing proper research. I don't even like any of the Fire Starters except for Charizard and am hoping Fennekin is Fire/Rock because it has a really good type set and a lot of potential. Just really tired of seeing "OMG NO FIRE/FIGHTING! U GUIZE SUKK!"

Do. Proper. Research. And. Learn. What. The. Hell. You. Are. Talking. About.

And for anyone that wants to play, "well its tradition!" Guess what? Fire/Fighting is Tradition too. Its been done 3 generations in a row, has a high battle quality and may/can continue just like the Pikachu ripoff, Regional Rat, and Regional Bird can every generation that follows. Traditions can be started at any point in time so long as its carried out every following generation until it sticks like proper traditions.

If its a personal feeling, then don't ever pick a Fire starter. Its pretty simple. Don't like it, don't get it. Ignore it. Stop playing with it. You'll live a much happier life when you stop trying to force yourself into something you don't like.

/endrant


Next CoroCoro I'm not really hoping for anything big. I wanna see two more Pokemon added in, types or no. Just keep it coming with new things, maybe the regional bird as I have an odd obsession with Bird Pokemon, being that my favorite two are Pidgey and Braviary. I'm hoping to add to my bird faves in Generation 6. If not Bird, gimme something watery since that's all that really matters to me outside of Dragon Types.


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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7555142)
Part of me actually kind of wants these starters not to be dual-typed at all. I kind of thought how interesting and unique it was for Gen II's starters to keep their type all throughout their evolutionary line, though I think due to their coloring, they seem like they would end up dual-typed anyways(since most Pokemon match the color of their own type). xD;

Meh, you are a breath of fresh air after that rant. Solo Types would be fun since this is basically the new Generation 2 for the reset. I also don't see it happening, but I didn't consider it. Though the Water types didn't have color schemes to match secondary typing. Empoleon doesn't really have a metallic body nor any silver/gray coloring to signify Steel type, and Marshtomp doesn't really look ground or carry the tell tale browns. Venusaur itself didn't look very poisonous either.

Xander Olivieri February 25th, 2013 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7555166)
You raise a good point here! I was going by Gen I as well as Gen III's evolution, though if you notice something about Marshtomp's coloring, you would see something peculiar:

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/259.gif

Taken into account that Ground-type is usually brown-orange or somewhere around there, and that Marshtomp has a brown-orange belly(even though Ground type is more brown but whatever), it kiiiind of gave away it's type. Though maybe this is just coincidence? It's something that I thought of, that GF kind of does as kind of a giveaway to a Pokemon's type, or to make it obvious.

Empoleon however, I definitely do notice that it's harder to actually spot the type at first glance, but I suppose it's giveaway lies within its animation more than anything else:

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/395.gif

Empoleon looks "stiff" if you want to put it that way, harder than a rock. And what's harder than rock? Steel, of course!

I could go on and on of course, but that's just my mind being overanalytical(forgive me for that). XD Of course, this might not apply for all Pokemon, but I noticed that it definitely holds true for quite a lot! But that being said, that's why I'm holding on so strongly on Chespin eventually becoming Grass/Ground, if not just pure grass. Fennekin is harder to determine on the other hand, having a pure red body, and nothing to really "signify" it's final evolutionary type, and Mudkip also had this same issue back in Gen III, being completely blue so no one really knew that Swampert was part ground, so that's up in the air.

Froakie on the other hand I'm inclined to guess is more Water/Flying, but that's because of the fluffly cloud-like thing on its neck, but it's just a wild guess based on anatomy and type/color matching. XD Hope this all made sense~!

By Marshtomp I meant Swampert, but your point has been made XD I keep thinking Marshtomp is the name of the final evolution...I always make that simple mistake.

I agree with Froakie's type, despite really not wanting it to be Water/Flying due to crippling electric weakness, and personally i can see Chespin as a Rock type which would make the Grass Starter the "to get" starter since it would block both Froakie and Fennekin without leaving any glaring weaknesses for either to hit, unless Fennekin becomes part Fighting, but Starters have never needed perfect sub triangles before.

Still I wouldn't mind getting new Pokemon as opposed to getting add ons/updates to what we already know.

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7555166)
And what's harder than rock? Steel, of course!

I can think of a few other things~

Xander Olivieri February 26th, 2013 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7555218)
This, pretty much~! Gen III pretty much proved this: Swampert was Water/Ground, Blaziken was Fire/Fighting, and Sceptile was just Grass. So what if Fennekin ended up just being a Fire type and caught everyone off guard that way? XD I mean, I can see them definitely pulling something similar to Gen III:

Chespin: Grass/Rock*/Ground
Froakie: Water/Ice*/Flying
Fennekin: Fire

*Assuming the Pokemon are this type, though it seems unlikely since Froakie would be at a complete disadvantage against Chespin both ways, so maybe Ground, just to make things fair? Then again, Fennekin wouldn't have a fair advantage over Chespin, so yeah...tough one, here.

As a Flying type Froakie gains a resistance to cancel out his weakness to Rock so its only a 1 weakness deal. Samething happened with Torterra and Empoleon. Empoleon lost its weakness to Grass but gained a weakness to Ground, Torterra's Sub type. While Torterra's sub type was SE against Infernape. Empoleon lost resistance to Infernape's Fire but gained weakness to Infernape's Fighting. So Empoleon became weak to both while while maintaining SE over Infernape.

In Gen 3 Swampert was x4 weak to Sceptile and had a double advantage over Blazekin as both of Swampert's types were SE to Blazekin's Fire. Blazekin gaining Fighting didn't do much at all in terms of Starter balance through type.

Chespin just loses both weaknesses to Fire and Water as a Grass/Rock. If Froakie is Flying then Chespin can only really hurt it and Fennekin with Rock making its Grass Typing an extra add on.

Grass/Rock is a combination exclusive to Lileep's family. Its pretty well balanced if not a bit weak defensively as it has a lot of normal damages with only 2 resistances and 4 weaknesses. Still it has a lot of promise with proper stats and move pool.

Cerberus87 February 26th, 2013 1:15 AM

I'd like Fennekin to be Fire/Psychic. So what if the type is worse than Fire/Fighting competitively? A Pokémon isn't bad competitively on type alone, a big reason why Charizard is NU is because of rocks, but also because his movepool isn't stellar and he has to compete with Moltres (a stronger same-typed Pokémon) for a teamslot.

If we're going to think competitively then a lot of current typings shouldn't exist. Ground/Rock, Steel/Rock, Fire/Rock (yes, Rock is that crappy defensively), Grass/Ice, Ice/Dragon (redundant coverage)... I could go on and on. But this is an RPG, not a battle simulator, which is what a lot of people forget. Things aren't always introduced to balance the game. "I want X Pokémon because it would be good in NU, or UU", or whatever, isn't the right mindset when designing a new Pokémon. The metagame is a self-governing entity, and even Gamefreak themselves may not be able to anticipate overpowered and underpowered strategies. There's no guarantee the metagame will be the same next gen. For all we know, they could create an Ice-type entry hazard that would make dealing with Garchomp, Salamence and Dragonite much easier, which would radically change the metagame, might not be enough to knock them out of OU but would be a huge hit to their usability.

I just want to see some cool creatures. The people who diss Charizard because of its competitive prowess are probably even more childish than the kids who use it expecting it to win the match by itself.

Ho-Oh February 26th, 2013 1:17 AM

And I'm over here on the other side - I only play NU and I want lots of new things for NU :( Even if it means sacrificing the starters, I don't mind!! Still I think it's a while off being revealed though, as I said earlier, so we can just sit back and relax for now.

Archeops12354 February 26th, 2013 3:31 AM

I agree with Cerberous, I want Fennekin to be Fire/Psychic, doesn't everyone?
Who cares if it has five weaknesses? Sceptile had proven to be a very good pokemon despite it's 5 weakness, same goes for Breloom - it has five weaknesses, it even has a 4x weakness (flying), yet many consider it the best gen 3 grass type along with Sceptile.
Typing doesn't count (as long as it isn't ice/grass - grrr Abomasnow :disappoin), in my opinion it's the moveset that counts. Sceptile and breloom have an amazing movepool (especially Breloom, it can learn spore :D), if the Fennekin line can learn some powerhouse moves and a wide type coverage, and has good attacking stats, then I will really like this pokemon! Even if it does have 5 weaknesses! Besides, I have ALWAYS wanted a fire/psychic pokemon. Victini is a legendary so it doesn't count, and zen-mode Darmanitan just sucks.
Of course, GameFreak might trick us and make the Fennekin line all mono-fire pokemon just like Typhlosion. Although a mono fire pokemon has less resistances, losing the psychic properties will probably make this pokemon's movepool more shallow, and like I said before - a shallow movepool is very bad, I'm looking at YOU Serperior!
Either way, a starter pokemon with STAB psychic! who wouldn't want that? I would DEFINITELY like that! Especially if it could learn psychic at a low level, like Torterra can learn the all mighty Earthquake at lvl 32!

Fennekin rules, that is all.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 26th, 2013 5:49 AM

I can help but think Froakie will be pure water as thus far the only duel Water types have come out in generations with one of the two pair mascots being water and upon final evolution gains the type of the other mascot (Swampert is Water + Ground which are Kyogre and Groudon's types, Empoleon is Water + Steel which are Palkia's and Dialga's types). Sadly Gen 5 made me beleive this is more true now than during gen 4 when I noticed this. Then again perhaps Xerneas could be water (doubt it) and Yvetal Flying so we get Water/Flying...

Cerberus87 February 26th, 2013 6:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7555399)
Serperior is actually one of the best grass types starters to utilize, even taking it's movepool into account! One of it's most used purposes is a dual screener, but once Contrary is released(I'm not sure whether it's released or not), then Seperior would have a true chance to shine, so it's really no pushover by any means. A +2/+3 STAB Leaf Storm hurts a lot of things, y'know? It can also be used as a CMer, Subseeder, things like that.

Serperior is inferior to Meganium at dual screens (Meganium is bulkier), is also inferior to Sceptile at Subseeding, and doesn't really benefit from Contrary due to the amount of things that wall a boosted Leaf Storm (Skarmory above all) and lack of moves that benefit from it. Grass is a bad attacking type.

IMO Serperior is the worst starter ever, it doesn't have anything redeemable about it. And its stat distribution is quite weird. It has too many points in Speed and too few in other stats, which makes it a mediocre wall and a horrible attacker with below average attacking stats.

Pinkie-Dawn February 26th, 2013 6:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7555505)
Except nobody uses Meganium, because lol it's so bad that by the time it gets screens up it doesn't even matter because the next attack kills it anyway(that and the lack of..actually doing anything useful? I'm not trying to diss meganium or anything, I love it! It just lacks on the competitive side). I think what makes Serperior useful overall is that it has SO much recovery, which I think you're forgetting here. Sure, Serperior may seem flimsy, but thankfully its moveset alleviates that. You have Calm Mind, Giga Drain, and Substitute, all of which can work in conjunction with each other, and even leech seed to help give you even more HP, for -more- subs. Plus, Serperior isn't weak to Shell Smash Gorebyss, though it entirely depends on who sets up first.

Oh and by the way, I think Serperior has taunt. So it wins against SS Gorebyss anyway.

And honestly, that argument can be used against almost any grass starter type, since they're all walled by Skarmory(minus HP Fire Venusaur in Sun). I'm not saying that Serperior is the best thing out there, but it certainly isn't too shabby at what it does, and it has the moveset to help fix its defensive weaknesses, so it's not necessarily a problem. o.o

Except Megnium can still be a decent physical sweeper with Sword Dance, Seed Bomb, Outrage, and Earthquake, outclassing Serperior's physical set.

PrimalDialgasaur February 26th, 2013 7:40 AM

I hope this month they release starter evolutions...pray to god that Fennekin is not Fire/Fighting...

CloysterOyster February 26th, 2013 2:44 PM

I don't think Fennekin is or will become a dual Fire/Fighting type, because all the other Fire/Fighting types are 2-legged and use their arms/fists for fighting. Would be interesting to see a Fire/Psychic combo, since that has never been done (except with Victini, which is primarily Psychic and then Fire, and Darmanitan in its Zen Mode).

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7555505)
Except nobody uses Meganium(that I know of) because it can't do anything aside from just setting up screens(I'm not trying to diss meganium or anything, I love it! It just lacks on the competitive side). I think what makes Serperior useful overall is that it has SO much recovery, which I think you're forgetting here. Sure, Serperior may seem flimsy, but thankfully its moveset alleviates that. You have Calm Mind, Giga Drain, and Substitute, all of which can work in conjunction with each other, and even leech seed to help give you even more HP, for -more- subs. Plus, Serperior isn't weak to Shell Smash Gorebyss, though it entirely depends on who sets up first.

Oh and by the way, I think Serperior has taunt. So it wins against SS Gorebyss anyway.

And honestly, that argument can be used against almost any grass starter type, since they're all walled by Skarmory(minus HP Fire Venusaur in Sun). I'm not saying that Serperior is the best thing out there, but it certainly isn't too shabby at what it does, and it has the moveset to help fix its defensive weaknesses, so it's not necessarily a problem. o.o

I had a Meganium on my Crystal version before it got erased. It was the only Pokémon that I had at level 100. If I remember correctly, it had Solarbeam, Razor Leaf, Body Slam and Synthesis. I even beat Fire-types with it.

Xander Olivieri February 26th, 2013 3:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CloysterOyster (Post 7556096)
I don't think Fennekin is or will become a dual Fire/Fighting type, because all the other Fire/Fighting types are 2-legged and use their arms/fists for fighting. Would be interesting to see a Fire/Psychic combo, since that has never been done (except with Victini, which is primarily Psychic and then Fire, and Darmanitan in its Zen Mode).

Tepig starts off as a Quadruped and evolves into a Bipedal being, same can easily happen to Fennekin. If not, Fennekin is just going to be a Ninetales rip off, especially if it does the split tail thing that most believe it will. So really we'll get a second Ninetales, how original.

PrimalDialgasaur February 26th, 2013 3:20 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7556128)
Tepig starts off as a Quadruped and evolves into a Bipedal being, same can easily happen to Fennekin. If not, Fennekin is just going to be a Ninetales rip off, especially if it does the split tail thing that most believe it will. So really we'll get a second Ninetales, how original.

I know Fennekin is a fennec fox, but I believe it might turn into a wolf...looks like it.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 26th, 2013 7:20 PM

Uh two of those moves mentioned are dark (just saying).

If it turns into a wolf that'll be nice, we'll have our starter be like Remoraid, evolve into a different species of animal (only wolves are related to foxes). Maybe Fennekin will be Fire/Ground. If it is I plan to make a ground team out of Swampert, Torterra, and it's final.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 26th, 2013 7:56 PM

Does anyone think tne region will be shown next issue? Or will they delay it to reveal more about Sylveon and the mascots this time around?
Wonder what ability Sylveon will gain, Kanto's got element absorbtion to restore Hp, and in Flareon's case up Fire moves,, Johto's got shared status issues, Sinnoh's got weather related abilities.

Kenshin5 February 26th, 2013 8:02 PM

I'd think they would give us some more insight than they have in terms of the region, since from what I remember we found out about Unova/Isshu pretty quick or at least in a more timely manner. They should do more to reveal info at least on Sylveon which is what I think they were hinting at especially on Pokemon XY site. I got a feeling they may reveal like regional bird and regional ratta and maybe one or two others. Then some new details on other aspects of the game.

Mark Kamill February 27th, 2013 9:20 AM

I doubt the slow news of January and February can last up till may. I wholly believe March would be the last one or at least somewhat dull, with April onwards being massive info dumps. Something tells me there is a lot to cover, which is why we heard about them so early.

Jake♫ February 27th, 2013 7:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7557216)
I'm at least hoping that March would be the last month of everything progressing so slowly! The more information we get, the more we can further speculate on instead of the same topics going around in a circle every time. D: Let's hope that it'll be something of good substance, like the starter evolutions. That'll get people talking for months.

Good news is that March is 2 days away, so hopefully we'll get some new information sooner than later. And I'd be happy just seeing the second stage of the starters at this point. If I had to guess what's going to be released though, it's going to be another Eeveelution. They've come in pairs after the original 3 came out, so it'd make sense for their to be another one.

Miss Doronjo February 27th, 2013 8:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jake♫ (Post 7557966)
Good news is that March is 2 days away, so hopefully we'll get some new information sooner than later. And I'd be happy just seeing the second stage of the starters at this point. If I had to guess what's going to be released though, it's going to be another Eeveelution. They've come in pairs after the original 3 came out, so it'd make sense for their to be another one.

We do usually see info by... I think the 15th of each month, so by March 15th we'd see leaks? Then again, it's only a guess, so... I'd love to see more pokemon and more evolutions myself~ As well as the new rival(s) and the new professor.

Xander Olivieri February 27th, 2013 9:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7558025)
If there is another eeveelution, let's just hope it won't be a pain to figure out it's type like it was with Sylveon. XD Everyone has their eyes peeled out for Sylveon's possible type, and I honestly think it's pretty obvious but it's going to catch people way off-guard at the same time.

Since the last CoroCoro didn't leave any space for another, theres a really good chance we only get 1 new Eevee Evolution. I know I'm just repeating myself, but we don't have to have more than one show up. If Sylveon is Dragon Typed, the chances its the only new one is really high. If another type the chances lower, but since CoroCoro didn't leave any other hints and the fact that Sylveon is being showcased by itself is a pretty good show that its the last one for now at least. Though if Dragon, pretty sure its the last one altogether until a new type comes in.

Also pretty good chance that if Normal, its the final since Eevee would have found its original evolution method/final evolution method.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 27th, 2013 9:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7558047)
I'm at least hoping it's the last new eeveelution for this generation, we have too many and I think that, assuming that Jolteon has found its "other half" so to speak, that there wouldn't be any more space for any more eeveelutions, which probably means the eeveelution line is finally done, unless GF manages to figure out some way to squeeze a new one in there, somehow. @[email protected] /run-on sentence.

I don't agree with that pattern of counterparts mentioned, Gen 2 introduced two types that had little to do with the first three type advantage or disadvantage wise. They could do the same here too.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 27th, 2013 9:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7558062)
But they were counterparts of each other, which made sense. And then Gen IV Introduced Leafeon and Glaceon, which were also counterparts of each other, but at the same time, Leafeon and Glaceon both fit right in perfectly, because Flareon is super-effective against both of them, while Leafeon is good against Vaporeon and Glaceon is good against Leafeon, etc.

In that case they could always add two types, one that's Rock and one that's Flying (Sylveon is likely to be this) as Rock and Flying can be considered opposites.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 27th, 2013 9:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7558077)
Except Flying already has a technical opposite: Electric. And Jolteon is electric, which is super-effective against Sylveon, assuming that it's flying. XD So Rock would be unnecessary.

Well Leafoen wasn't necessary than as Flareon can be considered the opposite of Vaporeon. Really this whole opposite thing is silly (and I'm one who tends to think of silly ideas trust me).

Jake♫ February 27th, 2013 9:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7558077)
Except Flying already has a technical opposite: Electric. And Jolteon is electric, which is super-effective against Sylveon, assuming that it's flying. XD So Rock would be unnecessary.

I guess that'd make sense too, since then we'd have an even number of Eeveelutions and they'd all have a pair. Who knows, I guess we'll just have to wait and see!

Jake♫ February 27th, 2013 9:55 PM

I'd just be happy with the region name at this point honestly, anything else would be icing on the cake

Mujahid February 27th, 2013 10:03 PM

Something i want to ask, why do people believe that if Sylveon is Normal, it would be the Final eveelution ?
That doesn't make sense to me. Eevee evolves in accordance with it's surrounding. I presume, the Normal type evolution will be a result of eevee adapting in a city. Since there is nothing to alter it's DNA, it just evolves like other pokemons.
How does that stop from being more eevelutions ? Lets just say, There is a NuclearPower Plant somewhere in the Pokeworld and the Radioactive wastes can alter Eeves DNA to turn it into a Poison type. Besides, in Pokeworld all Eevelutions already exist. It's not like Glaceon or Umbreon were 'discovered' after Vaporeon and group. Thus, the order by which they are revealed in the games means little to nothing.

Xander Olivieri February 27th, 2013 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mujahid (Post 7558102)
Something i want to ask, why do people believe that if Sylveon is Normal, it would be the Final eveelution ?
That doesn't make sense to me. Eevee evolves in accordance with it's surrounding. I presume, the Normal type evolution will be a result of eevee adapting in a city. Since there is nothing to alter it's DNA, it just evolves like other pokemons.
How does that stop from being more eevelutions ? Lets just say, There is a NuclearPower Plant somewhere in the Pokeworld and the Radioactive wastes can alter Eeves DNA to turn it into a Poison type. Besides, in Pokeworld all Eevelutions already exist. It's not like Glaceon or Umbreon were 'discovered' after Vaporeon and group. Thus, the order by which they are revealed in the games means little to nothing.

Actually Espeon and Umbreon were discovered after the Johto Games came to be. Those evolutions were "Newly Discovered" when the games originally came out, same with Glaceon and Leafeon, both were methods that were "newly Discovered".

Sylveon's evolution is going to be a "Newly Discovered" evolution. Method and all. Eevee is a Pokemon most researchers test because of its ability to evolve. The reason most think its going to be the last: Dragon, there are as of today only 8 Special Types. Water, Electric, Fire, Dark, Psychic, Grass, Ice, and Dragon. All of the other types are Physical. Eevee has only been able to evolve into the 8 Special types sans Dragon so far. If Normal, Eevee evolving Normal to Normal indicates that its true evolution has been found meaning they've gone through all possible testings and finally found the last possible evolution to Eevee.

Both are coincidental and speculation, but based on what we know, they are more solid final conclusions despite what a majority of fans want. Its never been stated that Eevee is supposed to get all 17 types, and they can add types a few generations down, if they don't add to this generation.

We've never had Eevee Evolution hype before, so this is a huge first for a lot, and it is a very broad and seemingly touchy subject from what I've seen all around the internet. I fall in with final IF and ONLY IF Dragon or Normal.

Mujahid February 27th, 2013 10:43 PM

I don't think you understood me. In the Pokeworld, All eevelutions have existed for a long time. Just like pokemons like Magnezone, Rhyperior, Magmortar etc. The fact that we got them in later generations doesn't mean the 'Pokeworld' discovered them later.

Also, i don't think people actually perform 'tests' on eeve. It has a special DNA that can alter under the influence of various Stimuli. Don't you think an eevee from Kanto would have evolved in Umbreon/Espeon in the past? What i meant to say is, if we get a Normal eevelution it doesn't mean that it's the final eevelution.
In the 'pokeworld' it would have existed for the same amount of time as other eevelutions. And so would the other eevelutions if they are to be revealed.

Another point, what do you mean by 'True' evolution ? Why is Normal it's 'true' evolution ? The way i see it, eeve evolves into a Normal type when there is nothing to alter it's DNA . Then, it just evolves like other pokemons.

Xander Olivieri February 27th, 2013 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mujahid (Post 7558147)
I don't think you understood me. In the Pokeworld, All eevelutions have existed for a long time. Just like pokemons like Magnezone, Rhyperior, Magmortar etc. The fact that we got them in later generations doesn't mean the 'Pokeworld' discovered them later.

Also, i don't think people actually perform 'tests' on eeve. It has a special DNA that can alter under the influence of various Stimuli. Don't you think an eevee from Kanto would have evolved in Umbreon/Espeon ? What i meant to say is, if we get a Normal eevelution it doesn't mean that it's the final eevelution.
In the 'pokeworld' it would have existed for the same amount of time as other eevelutions. And so would the other eevelutions if they are to be revealed.

You did not read what I said. In the Pokemon World, "They discovered" when new Generations came out. Yes they "discover" new evolutions. They've stated that in the games, though two "discoveries" were errataed in the remakes. Still the main games have had their scientists say that they "Discovered" the evolutions. They "Discover" evolutions every new Generation. So even though they have existed for x amount of years, they have gone unnoticed for a great deal until found and dubbed by Scientists in the Pokemon World.

Also Magmortor, Electabuzz, and all Pokemon that need Trade with Human made objects are artifical evolutions. They would have never evolved without a scientist discovering how to evolve them in such ways. Even Porygon which is a Human made Pokemon received artificial evolutions which were dubbed as upgrades to Porygon's coding.

Magnemite is also an Artificial Pokemon as its one that wouldn't have existed without human interference. It evolution was discovered for Magnezone.

In Real Life we are still discovering new life forms that may have existed for hundreds of thousands of years before we found them.

So to end it, Yes because we got them later means that they were "Discovered" at the point and time they were introduced. There will be "Newly Discovered" evolutions in the coming game, Sylveon included. And possible "newly discovered" evolutions every generation after that.

Mujahid February 28th, 2013 1:30 AM

That assumption clashes with what we have seen. In Arceus and the Jewel of Life , we see Bronzong, Probopass, and other later geneation pokemons at a time even before Pokeballs. In The Lucario movie, there are Steelix in the past. In Pokemon4ever, young Professor Oak sees Bellosom,sneasel and Houndoom. I can only give examples from Anime because games haven't had a 'past' theme yet. IF in a future game, there is plot involving time travel,i am pretty sure there will be new pokemons there.
Also,I find it hard to believe not a single eevee in Kanto had max happiness and evolved in the past. Same goes for other pokemons that gained evolutions later. It's "We" who disover the evolutions. The 'Pokeworld' already knows about them.

EDIT :Also in FR/LG you see Kanto trainers using pokemons from second and Third generaton. Same goes for HG/SS.

Xander Olivieri February 28th, 2013 2:13 AM

Discovering them DOES NOT MEAN THEY DID NOT EXIST.

Anime references to back up your claim. Good job. Oh, hey look, they never say when they discover anything in the anime! Whoo out of context help is so helpful.

FR/LG = Remake. Hoenn Pokemon appear AFTER the main Story. So in the NON-CANON part of the game extra Pokemon appear. Who would have ever heard of that! OMG its so unheard of! O=

You totally don't go through an entire game without ever seeing any of those other Pokemon that appear in what is possible a Different Regional area. Not to mention that they were already discovered in R/S which is most likely in the same time space as R/B if not close to it.

Try reading this now, they have to be DISCOVERED to be logged into the Regional Pokedex. DISCOVERED DOES NOT MEAN THEY DID NOT EXIST BEFORE BEING FOUND.

Oh look I found a dinosaur bone. Dinosaurs totally didn't exist before I found this! Oh look a new species of cat that has existed in this area for ages that is newly discovered for the rest of the world. They certainly didn't exist before I found them...

Oh look Mew! We discovered traces of a Pokemon called Mew. It totally didn't exist until I found this fossil to try and clone.

Newly Discovered means that it has been found, scientifically studied and cataloged. It does not mean it did not exist before hand. Although excluding Remakes as they are off timeframes/alternate worlds, NO they did NOT exist before those generations. Even in the Anime if you want to go that far. Until pre-development debut or until their generation is released, no they do not officially exist. There currently is no way to Evolve Eevee into Sylveon until we find out how when the games release if the Movie does like it usually does and doesn't follow game Canon.

Steelix have been shown in the wild in the games in an area called Iron Island. Which is possibly the area where they make Metal Coat. There are many other Artificial Pokemon that do not exist in the wild or were created much later in time. Though when they were created and when they were discovered may differ as both don't have to be at the same time.

FR/LG/HG/SS Errata (rewrite) some small details that were within the games speech to complement the other games that were already out. Despite being able to get Eevee in FR/LG, it cannot evolve by happiness in said game and has to be moved to R/S/E or transfered to a Gen 4 game. Espeon/Umbreon's evolution method doesn't exist in FR/LG. This is only because they kept the games close to the originals and since R/B/G didn't have an internal clock, neither do the remakes. So we cannot argue additions to the remakes since they are based off of the events of the originals only slightly altered.

That said, you also cannot get Leafeon or Glaceon in HG/SS despite their evolution method being available in D/P/Pt. This again is because that method did not exist in those original games. While the Pokemon may exist, their methods of evolution were not discovered in the original games so their methods of evolutions do not exist in the remakes. Same to be said with Magneton and Nosepass.

Mujahid February 28th, 2013 2:38 AM

*Sigh*
Lets go through this again, shall we. My Point was That if Sylveon turns out to be Normal type. It doesn't mean that we can not get another eevelution. In another Region, there may exist some Stimuli that can alter eevees DNA. It's similar to the scenario of Glaceon and Leafeon. Since they don't have the required Stimuli in Kanto/Johto , they can not be acquired there.

Now let me quote you , "If Normal, Eevee evolving Normal to Normal indicates that its true evolution has been found meaning they've gone through all possible testings and finally found the last possible evolution to Eevee."
This is where i disagree. Why does Normal have to be the last possible evolution ? A Normal evolution indicates that There was no External stimulus present to alter it's DNA and Thus it evolved Naturally, Just like any other Pokemon.

Xander Olivieri February 28th, 2013 2:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mujahid (Post 7558289)
*Sigh*
Lets go through this again, shall we. My Point was That if Sylveon turns out to be Normal type. It doesn't mean that we can not get another eevelution. In another Region, there may exist some Stimuli that can alter eevees DNA. It's similar to the scenario of Glaceon and Leafeon. Since they don't have the required Stimuli in Kanto/Johto , they can not be acquired there.

Now let me quote you , "If Normal, Eevee evolving Normal to Normal indicates that its true evolution has been found meaning they've gone through all possible testings and finally found the last possible evolution to Eevee."
This is where i disagree. Why does Normal have to be the last possible evolution ? A Normal evolution indicates that There was no External stimulus present to alter it's DNA and Thus it evolved Naturally, Just like any other Pokemon.

The reason behind it, Eevee is already Normal typed. If they go ahead with a Normal Typed Evolution, its a red flag in the mind that Game Freak is done with evolving Eevee. Normal is the last type anyone expects or wants Eevee to evolve into. If its a Natural Evolution, which to be honest, happiness evolution, although conditioned, is also a "Normal" method of evolution, then what need is there for more supplementary evolutions? If you found the real way to finish, why continue on with finding other roads to take you to the same destination?

The first thing they would test would be all other known elements to find an evolution with that element's affinity. Once those have been exhausted, you move to the last possible which would be the same type as Eevee already has that affinity.

Though based on the info given about the short, there IS going to be a stimulus. Even with a stimulus, if Sylveon is Normal its a good, goodbye to possible future Eevee Evolutions, unless they go further and evolve Sylveon as well repeating all the past types.

Mujahid February 28th, 2013 3:10 AM

In my Opinion, If they Do a Normal type,it would have to do with "Refreshing things up" rather than Ending the eevee Story. Pokemon isn't ending anytime soon and So isn't eevees Popularity. I actually see an Eevelution of every Type, even though i don't like that fact. And That stands even if Sylveon is Normal. I honestly don't think GF believes in the whole idea of 'Endng it with a Normal type'.
Lets agree to Disagree then:)

fishyfins February 28th, 2013 3:38 AM

Im all for Sylveon being a flying type. But i have come up with an interesting idea for how i could see a normal type eeveelution popping up. How about this. In Black and White 2, we had DNA splicers, and X and Y could have a more direct genetics theme (going from the names). Eevee is an evolution pokemon, who i would see as having very unstable DNA, reacting to many different things around it to eviolve in different ways. How about the introduction of an item like "DNA stabiliser", which, when held by/put near Eevee, will do just what it suggests - stabilises the DNA, allowing it to evolve normally like any other pokemon, leading to a normal type eeveelution?

Guy February 28th, 2013 4:13 AM

Things here have gone pretty far off from just talking about CoroCoro as of late, and I feel like this thread has really worn out its welcome. Something I've decided to do in order to prevent topics from other threads overlapping here is to allow each issue of CoroCoro that comes out every month to be given its own thread. Just as how this thread originally began as the CoroCoro discussion for the month of January (and February). I remember it was done like this during the news days of HeartGold and SoulSilver as well as for Black and White, and it worked out pretty well and was a lot easier to manage.

All that being said, I'm going to close this now. However, you can carry on the discussion of Sylveon over in the thread, "All Things Sylveon." And whenever the time comes for March's issue of CoroCoro to leak online, it can have its own thread. Sound good to you guys? Huzzah!

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