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Why doesn't anyone have a real reason to dislike Fire/Fighting? I have yet to see a real reason as to why anyone dislikes it. There isn't anything wrong with the typing at all and as it is now, Fire/Fighting would be better than Fire/Psychic.
"Just because its been done" Isn't even close to a valid answer. They have reused the same base concepts for 5 generations without every changing much beside the outward designs. There is MUCH worse reused every Generation that people actually want to see. Why aren't people complaining about the constant repeat of Normal/Flying Birds that appear in every region? Why aren't people complaining about the Normal type rodent that appears every region? Why aren't people complaining about the thought of an Electric Rodent Pikachu ripoff that appears in every region? Its been done 3. THREE times. Unlike the FIVE times other things have been redone. Here is a quote of what I wrote comparing the two type possibilities: Quote:
Uber: Blazekin Over Used: Infernape Rarely Used: Emboar/Typhlosion Neverused: Charizard. Fire/Fighting are all used up to Rarely used meaning they are commonly seen on some teams with Typhlosion and Emboar basically tied for 3rd. Fire/Flying Charizard is never used, which means he hardly ever sees the light of day in battles despite being such a fan favorite. Compared to their counterparts in the same generation: Blazekin easily beats out the other two in competitive use. Infernape is higher than both Empoleon and Torterra. Emboar is used more than both Serperior and Samurott despite both having been said to have better movepool and stats. And despite both being liked more than Emboar. At least with Fennekin being Fire/Fighting it stands a chance of staying out of NU tier as it can be a fast Special Sweeper. Sorry for ranting but its really getting on my nerves to see people blindly bashing a top tier type combination just cause they want to and not doing proper research. I don't even like any of the Fire Starters except for Charizard and am hoping Fennekin is Fire/Rock because it has a really good type set and a lot of potential. Just really tired of seeing "OMG NO FIRE/FIGHTING! U GUIZE SUKK!" Do. Proper. Research. And. Learn. What. The. Hell. You. Are. Talking. About. And for anyone that wants to play, "well its tradition!" Guess what? Fire/Fighting is Tradition too. Its been done 3 generations in a row, has a high battle quality and may/can continue just like the Pikachu ripoff, Regional Rat, and Regional Bird can every generation that follows. Traditions can be started at any point in time so long as its carried out every following generation until it sticks like proper traditions. If its a personal feeling, then don't ever pick a Fire starter. Its pretty simple. Don't like it, don't get it. Ignore it. Stop playing with it. You'll live a much happier life when you stop trying to force yourself into something you don't like. /endrant Next CoroCoro I'm not really hoping for anything big. I wanna see two more Pokemon added in, types or no. Just keep it coming with new things, maybe the regional bird as I have an odd obsession with Bird Pokemon, being that my favorite two are Pidgey and Braviary. I'm hoping to add to my bird faves in Generation 6. If not Bird, gimme something watery since that's all that really matters to me outside of Dragon Types. Quote:
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I agree with Froakie's type, despite really not wanting it to be Water/Flying due to crippling electric weakness, and personally i can see Chespin as a Rock type which would make the Grass Starter the "to get" starter since it would block both Froakie and Fennekin without leaving any glaring weaknesses for either to hit, unless Fennekin becomes part Fighting, but Starters have never needed perfect sub triangles before. Still I wouldn't mind getting new Pokemon as opposed to getting add ons/updates to what we already know. Quote:
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In Gen 3 Swampert was x4 weak to Sceptile and had a double advantage over Blazekin as both of Swampert's types were SE to Blazekin's Fire. Blazekin gaining Fighting didn't do much at all in terms of Starter balance through type. Chespin just loses both weaknesses to Fire and Water as a Grass/Rock. If Froakie is Flying then Chespin can only really hurt it and Fennekin with Rock making its Grass Typing an extra add on. Grass/Rock is a combination exclusive to Lileep's family. Its pretty well balanced if not a bit weak defensively as it has a lot of normal damages with only 2 resistances and 4 weaknesses. Still it has a lot of promise with proper stats and move pool. |
I'd like Fennekin to be Fire/Psychic. So what if the type is worse than Fire/Fighting competitively? A Pokémon isn't bad competitively on type alone, a big reason why Charizard is NU is because of rocks, but also because his movepool isn't stellar and he has to compete with Moltres (a stronger same-typed Pokémon) for a teamslot.
If we're going to think competitively then a lot of current typings shouldn't exist. Ground/Rock, Steel/Rock, Fire/Rock (yes, Rock is that crappy defensively), Grass/Ice, Ice/Dragon (redundant coverage)... I could go on and on. But this is an RPG, not a battle simulator, which is what a lot of people forget. Things aren't always introduced to balance the game. "I want X Pokémon because it would be good in NU, or UU", or whatever, isn't the right mindset when designing a new Pokémon. The metagame is a self-governing entity, and even Gamefreak themselves may not be able to anticipate overpowered and underpowered strategies. There's no guarantee the metagame will be the same next gen. For all we know, they could create an Ice-type entry hazard that would make dealing with Garchomp, Salamence and Dragonite much easier, which would radically change the metagame, might not be enough to knock them out of OU but would be a huge hit to their usability. I just want to see some cool creatures. The people who diss Charizard because of its competitive prowess are probably even more childish than the kids who use it expecting it to win the match by itself. |
And I'm over here on the other side - I only play NU and I want lots of new things for NU :( Even if it means sacrificing the starters, I don't mind!! Still I think it's a while off being revealed though, as I said earlier, so we can just sit back and relax for now.
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I agree with Cerberous, I want Fennekin to be Fire/Psychic, doesn't everyone?
Who cares if it has five weaknesses? Sceptile had proven to be a very good pokemon despite it's 5 weakness, same goes for Breloom - it has five weaknesses, it even has a 4x weakness (flying), yet many consider it the best gen 3 grass type along with Sceptile. Typing doesn't count (as long as it isn't ice/grass - grrr Abomasnow :disappoin), in my opinion it's the moveset that counts. Sceptile and breloom have an amazing movepool (especially Breloom, it can learn spore :D), if the Fennekin line can learn some powerhouse moves and a wide type coverage, and has good attacking stats, then I will really like this pokemon! Even if it does have 5 weaknesses! Besides, I have ALWAYS wanted a fire/psychic pokemon. Victini is a legendary so it doesn't count, and zen-mode Darmanitan just sucks. Of course, GameFreak might trick us and make the Fennekin line all mono-fire pokemon just like Typhlosion. Although a mono fire pokemon has less resistances, losing the psychic properties will probably make this pokemon's movepool more shallow, and like I said before - a shallow movepool is very bad, I'm looking at YOU Serperior! Either way, a starter pokemon with STAB psychic! who wouldn't want that? I would DEFINITELY like that! Especially if it could learn psychic at a low level, like Torterra can learn the all mighty Earthquake at lvl 32! Fennekin rules, that is all. |
I can help but think Froakie will be pure water as thus far the only duel Water types have come out in generations with one of the two pair mascots being water and upon final evolution gains the type of the other mascot (Swampert is Water + Ground which are Kyogre and Groudon's types, Empoleon is Water + Steel which are Palkia's and Dialga's types). Sadly Gen 5 made me beleive this is more true now than during gen 4 when I noticed this. Then again perhaps Xerneas could be water (doubt it) and Yvetal Flying so we get Water/Flying...
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IMO Serperior is the worst starter ever, it doesn't have anything redeemable about it. And its stat distribution is quite weird. It has too many points in Speed and too few in other stats, which makes it a mediocre wall and a horrible attacker with below average attacking stats. |
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I hope this month they release starter evolutions...pray to god that Fennekin is not Fire/Fighting...
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I don't think Fennekin is or will become a dual Fire/Fighting type, because all the other Fire/Fighting types are 2-legged and use their arms/fists for fighting. Would be interesting to see a Fire/Psychic combo, since that has never been done (except with Victini, which is primarily Psychic and then Fire, and Darmanitan in its Zen Mode).
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Uh two of those moves mentioned are dark (just saying).
If it turns into a wolf that'll be nice, we'll have our starter be like Remoraid, evolve into a different species of animal (only wolves are related to foxes). Maybe Fennekin will be Fire/Ground. If it is I plan to make a ground team out of Swampert, Torterra, and it's final. |
Does anyone think tne region will be shown next issue? Or will they delay it to reveal more about Sylveon and the mascots this time around?
Wonder what ability Sylveon will gain, Kanto's got element absorbtion to restore Hp, and in Flareon's case up Fire moves,, Johto's got shared status issues, Sinnoh's got weather related abilities. |
I'd think they would give us some more insight than they have in terms of the region, since from what I remember we found out about Unova/Isshu pretty quick or at least in a more timely manner. They should do more to reveal info at least on Sylveon which is what I think they were hinting at especially on Pokemon XY site. I got a feeling they may reveal like regional bird and regional ratta and maybe one or two others. Then some new details on other aspects of the game.
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I doubt the slow news of January and February can last up till may. I wholly believe March would be the last one or at least somewhat dull, with April onwards being massive info dumps. Something tells me there is a lot to cover, which is why we heard about them so early.
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I'd just be happy with the region name at this point honestly, anything else would be icing on the cake
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Something i want to ask, why do people believe that if Sylveon is Normal, it would be the Final eveelution ?
That doesn't make sense to me. Eevee evolves in accordance with it's surrounding. I presume, the Normal type evolution will be a result of eevee adapting in a city. Since there is nothing to alter it's DNA, it just evolves like other pokemons. How does that stop from being more eevelutions ? Lets just say, There is a NuclearPower Plant somewhere in the Pokeworld and the Radioactive wastes can alter Eeves DNA to turn it into a Poison type. Besides, in Pokeworld all Eevelutions already exist. It's not like Glaceon or Umbreon were 'discovered' after Vaporeon and group. Thus, the order by which they are revealed in the games means little to nothing. |
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Sylveon's evolution is going to be a "Newly Discovered" evolution. Method and all. Eevee is a Pokemon most researchers test because of its ability to evolve. The reason most think its going to be the last: Dragon, there are as of today only 8 Special Types. Water, Electric, Fire, Dark, Psychic, Grass, Ice, and Dragon. All of the other types are Physical. Eevee has only been able to evolve into the 8 Special types sans Dragon so far. If Normal, Eevee evolving Normal to Normal indicates that its true evolution has been found meaning they've gone through all possible testings and finally found the last possible evolution to Eevee. Both are coincidental and speculation, but based on what we know, they are more solid final conclusions despite what a majority of fans want. Its never been stated that Eevee is supposed to get all 17 types, and they can add types a few generations down, if they don't add to this generation. We've never had Eevee Evolution hype before, so this is a huge first for a lot, and it is a very broad and seemingly touchy subject from what I've seen all around the internet. I fall in with final IF and ONLY IF Dragon or Normal. |
I don't think you understood me. In the Pokeworld, All eevelutions have existed for a long time. Just like pokemons like Magnezone, Rhyperior, Magmortar etc. The fact that we got them in later generations doesn't mean the 'Pokeworld' discovered them later.
Also, i don't think people actually perform 'tests' on eeve. It has a special DNA that can alter under the influence of various Stimuli. Don't you think an eevee from Kanto would have evolved in Umbreon/Espeon in the past? What i meant to say is, if we get a Normal eevelution it doesn't mean that it's the final eevelution. In the 'pokeworld' it would have existed for the same amount of time as other eevelutions. And so would the other eevelutions if they are to be revealed. Another point, what do you mean by 'True' evolution ? Why is Normal it's 'true' evolution ? The way i see it, eeve evolves into a Normal type when there is nothing to alter it's DNA . Then, it just evolves like other pokemons. |
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Also Magmortor, Electabuzz, and all Pokemon that need Trade with Human made objects are artifical evolutions. They would have never evolved without a scientist discovering how to evolve them in such ways. Even Porygon which is a Human made Pokemon received artificial evolutions which were dubbed as upgrades to Porygon's coding. Magnemite is also an Artificial Pokemon as its one that wouldn't have existed without human interference. It evolution was discovered for Magnezone. In Real Life we are still discovering new life forms that may have existed for hundreds of thousands of years before we found them. So to end it, Yes because we got them later means that they were "Discovered" at the point and time they were introduced. There will be "Newly Discovered" evolutions in the coming game, Sylveon included. And possible "newly discovered" evolutions every generation after that. |
That assumption clashes with what we have seen. In Arceus and the Jewel of Life , we see Bronzong, Probopass, and other later geneation pokemons at a time even before Pokeballs. In The Lucario movie, there are Steelix in the past. In Pokemon4ever, young Professor Oak sees Bellosom,sneasel and Houndoom. I can only give examples from Anime because games haven't had a 'past' theme yet. IF in a future game, there is plot involving time travel,i am pretty sure there will be new pokemons there.
Also,I find it hard to believe not a single eevee in Kanto had max happiness and evolved in the past. Same goes for other pokemons that gained evolutions later. It's "We" who disover the evolutions. The 'Pokeworld' already knows about them. EDIT :Also in FR/LG you see Kanto trainers using pokemons from second and Third generaton. Same goes for HG/SS. |
Discovering them DOES NOT MEAN THEY DID NOT EXIST.
Anime references to back up your claim. Good job. Oh, hey look, they never say when they discover anything in the anime! Whoo out of context help is so helpful. FR/LG = Remake. Hoenn Pokemon appear AFTER the main Story. So in the NON-CANON part of the game extra Pokemon appear. Who would have ever heard of that! OMG its so unheard of! O= You totally don't go through an entire game without ever seeing any of those other Pokemon that appear in what is possible a Different Regional area. Not to mention that they were already discovered in R/S which is most likely in the same time space as R/B if not close to it. Try reading this now, they have to be DISCOVERED to be logged into the Regional Pokedex. DISCOVERED DOES NOT MEAN THEY DID NOT EXIST BEFORE BEING FOUND. Oh look I found a dinosaur bone. Dinosaurs totally didn't exist before I found this! Oh look a new species of cat that has existed in this area for ages that is newly discovered for the rest of the world. They certainly didn't exist before I found them... Oh look Mew! We discovered traces of a Pokemon called Mew. It totally didn't exist until I found this fossil to try and clone. Newly Discovered means that it has been found, scientifically studied and cataloged. It does not mean it did not exist before hand. Although excluding Remakes as they are off timeframes/alternate worlds, NO they did NOT exist before those generations. Even in the Anime if you want to go that far. Until pre-development debut or until their generation is released, no they do not officially exist. There currently is no way to Evolve Eevee into Sylveon until we find out how when the games release if the Movie does like it usually does and doesn't follow game Canon. Steelix have been shown in the wild in the games in an area called Iron Island. Which is possibly the area where they make Metal Coat. There are many other Artificial Pokemon that do not exist in the wild or were created much later in time. Though when they were created and when they were discovered may differ as both don't have to be at the same time. FR/LG/HG/SS Errata (rewrite) some small details that were within the games speech to complement the other games that were already out. Despite being able to get Eevee in FR/LG, it cannot evolve by happiness in said game and has to be moved to R/S/E or transfered to a Gen 4 game. Espeon/Umbreon's evolution method doesn't exist in FR/LG. This is only because they kept the games close to the originals and since R/B/G didn't have an internal clock, neither do the remakes. So we cannot argue additions to the remakes since they are based off of the events of the originals only slightly altered. That said, you also cannot get Leafeon or Glaceon in HG/SS despite their evolution method being available in D/P/Pt. This again is because that method did not exist in those original games. While the Pokemon may exist, their methods of evolution were not discovered in the original games so their methods of evolutions do not exist in the remakes. Same to be said with Magneton and Nosepass. |
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Lets go through this again, shall we. My Point was That if Sylveon turns out to be Normal type. It doesn't mean that we can not get another eevelution. In another Region, there may exist some Stimuli that can alter eevees DNA. It's similar to the scenario of Glaceon and Leafeon. Since they don't have the required Stimuli in Kanto/Johto , they can not be acquired there. Now let me quote you , "If Normal, Eevee evolving Normal to Normal indicates that its true evolution has been found meaning they've gone through all possible testings and finally found the last possible evolution to Eevee." This is where i disagree. Why does Normal have to be the last possible evolution ? A Normal evolution indicates that There was no External stimulus present to alter it's DNA and Thus it evolved Naturally, Just like any other Pokemon. |
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The first thing they would test would be all other known elements to find an evolution with that element's affinity. Once those have been exhausted, you move to the last possible which would be the same type as Eevee already has that affinity. Though based on the info given about the short, there IS going to be a stimulus. Even with a stimulus, if Sylveon is Normal its a good, goodbye to possible future Eevee Evolutions, unless they go further and evolve Sylveon as well repeating all the past types. |
In my Opinion, If they Do a Normal type,it would have to do with "Refreshing things up" rather than Ending the eevee Story. Pokemon isn't ending anytime soon and So isn't eevees Popularity. I actually see an Eevelution of every Type, even though i don't like that fact. And That stands even if Sylveon is Normal. I honestly don't think GF believes in the whole idea of 'Endng it with a Normal type'.
Lets agree to Disagree then:) |
Im all for Sylveon being a flying type. But i have come up with an interesting idea for how i could see a normal type eeveelution popping up. How about this. In Black and White 2, we had DNA splicers, and X and Y could have a more direct genetics theme (going from the names). Eevee is an evolution pokemon, who i would see as having very unstable DNA, reacting to many different things around it to eviolve in different ways. How about the introduction of an item like "DNA stabiliser", which, when held by/put near Eevee, will do just what it suggests - stabilises the DNA, allowing it to evolve normally like any other pokemon, leading to a normal type eeveelution?
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Things here have gone pretty far off from just talking about CoroCoro as of late, and I feel like this thread has really worn out its welcome. Something I've decided to do in order to prevent topics from other threads overlapping here is to allow each issue of CoroCoro that comes out every month to be given its own thread. Just as how this thread originally began as the CoroCoro discussion for the month of January (and February). I remember it was done like this during the news days of HeartGold and SoulSilver as well as for Black and White, and it worked out pretty well and was a lot easier to manage.
All that being said, I'm going to close this now. However, you can carry on the discussion of Sylveon over in the thread, "All Things Sylveon." And whenever the time comes for March's issue of CoroCoro to leak online, it can have its own thread. Sound good to you guys? Huzzah! [ Locked ] |
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