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darkpokeball January 15th, 2013 8:07 PM

Out with the Old and In With the New
 
With Pokemon X and Y being fully 3-D, are you afraid you might lose a feature in order to cram 700+ pokemon, a storyline, post-game, etc. in one tiny cartridge? What would you rather lose? What would you like to keep?

I can see them getting rid of Triple Battles...those kind of got boring after a while as they all go the same way. Normal, double, and rotation battles are keepers though. I was thinking that they might get rid of a few hidden mechanics like IV's/EV's. If so, I sincerely hope they get rid of the Masuda Method coding and anything that makes shinies easier to get. It just feels so great when you meet a shiny by luck, and you know that the same shiny can't just be gotten with a few clicks through RNG'ing.

Sirfetch’d January 15th, 2013 8:11 PM

NO! Evs and Ivs will have to stay. The games wont be the same without them. All pokemon of the same species would be the same. I dont think we will lose any features tbh. GF will be able to fit everything on one cartridge.

Guy January 15th, 2013 8:14 PM

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Originally Posted by darkpokeball (Post 7494835)
With Pokemon X and Y being fully 3-D, are you afraid you might lose a feature in order to cram 700+ pokemon, a storyline, post-game, etc. in one tiny cartridge? What would you rather lose? What would you like to keep?

I can see them getting rid of Triple Battles...those kind of got boring after a while as they all go the same way. Normal, double, and rotation battles are keepers though. I was thinking that they might get rid of a few hidden mechanics like IV's/EV's. If so, I sincerely hope they get rid of the Masuda Method coding and anything that makes shinies easier to get. It just feels so great when you meet a shiny by luck, and you know that the same shiny can't just be gotten with a few clicks through RNG'ing.

IV's and EV's won't be going anywhere. Pokémon has grown consistently more competitive since the beginning of Gen III and I don't see them dropping that. It's too much of an important factor in the games and it's a big thing for competitive players.

Moving onto the 3DS platform gives them more room to expand on things, it doesn't necessarily mean we'd be losing out on some of the bigger or smaller mechanics and features that have been introduced to us just because the graphics will be in 3D and they'll be over 700 Pokémon. If anything, they should be able to do even more since they're finally moving forward from the DS platform.

Yuoaman January 15th, 2013 8:14 PM

If they got rid of IVs and EVs they'd have no game, those are two aspects which have basically defined the Pokemon franchise whether you were aware of them or not. I doubt they would get rid of the Masuda Method, which was included to encourage trading over the GTS, which they'll still want to do since it's become a selling point in the franchise.

Sydian January 15th, 2013 8:16 PM

Getting rid of EVs and IVs is not going to happen. Even in gen I, there was some sort of system. Scrapping EVs and IVs would be drastic to the competitive community and they wouldn't do that.

I'm opposite of the OP though. Scrap rotation and keep triple battles, please!

Cyclone January 15th, 2013 8:22 PM

Triple battles: sayonara.

Rotation battles of two to six Pokémon: yes, please. Though there is one annoying aspect in that you are forced to guess what Pokémon will come out; I once got skunked in the Opelucid Battle House when I guessed wrong. Twice. Still won the battle, but my type triangle didn't really gain from it.

Cyclone

Sweets Witch January 15th, 2013 8:31 PM

The only thing I'm really hoping they scrap is B/W's experience system. I'd enjoy something a little more stable again.

Yuoaman January 15th, 2013 8:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Sydian (Post 7494850)
Getting rid of EVs and IVs is not going to happen. Even in gen I, there was some sort of system. Scrapping EVs and IVs would be drastic to the competitive community and they wouldn't do that.

I'm opposite of the OP though. Scrap rotation and keep triple battles, please!

HERESY, WOMAN.

Rotation battles are about thinking three steps ahead of your enemy, triple battles are about having a lot of sprites on screen to show them off.

Sydian January 15th, 2013 8:54 PM

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Rotation battles are about thinking three steps ahead of your enemy, triple battles are about having a lot of sprites on screen to show them off.
But that's what I prefer. I never said everyone else had to prefer it. I like the strategy + team work that double battles created, and I feel that triples amped that up and it's what I enjoy. I dislike rotation because you have three Pokemon out, but you're only using one at once. Bit of a tease imo. And I just find them annoying and they take longer. I doubt either of them are going to be scrapped anyway. They'll probably end up scrapping something that was unanimously liked, like asking if you want to spray another Repel after your last one fades. Usually when something gets taken away from us, it's something most people really liked. FOLLOW ME FEATURE WHERE ARE YOU :(

Ho-Oh January 15th, 2013 9:00 PM

I don't think we'll really lose anything except for the minigames being the musicals and pokestar studios. Most other things in B2/W2 and BW were fine, and given it's a bigger console there might be more space...? (not sure how exactly it works, though, but I'm assuming there's more memory capabilities than ones designed fro the DS).

Sir Codin January 15th, 2013 9:03 PM

I thought rotation battles were actually pretty fun, but triple battles were just boring, so I won't shed a tear if they got rid of them.

Get rid of Musicals. They weren't any more fun than Contests, so I never really got that involved with them (even less than Contests in Gen III). Even PokeStar Studios and PokeAthelon were more fun.

They need to keep World Tournament.

Also, it's been said to death, but they're very unlikely to get rid of the EV/IV system. It's been one of the most important mechanics behind competitive play since the very beginning.

@Sydian: With all due respect, I freaking loved it when it asked if I wanted to use another repel after the previous one faded. Saved a lot of time from not having to pause and scroll through my menu all the time.

Yuoaman January 15th, 2013 9:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sydian (Post 7494901)
But that's what I prefer. I never said everyone else had to prefer it. I like the strategy + team work that double battles created, and I feel that triples amped that up and it's what I enjoy. I dislike rotation because you have three Pokemon out, but you're only using one at once. Bit of a tease imo. And I just find them annoying and they take longer. I doubt either of them are going to be scrapped anyway. They'll probably end up scrapping something that was unanimously liked, like asking if you want to spray another Repel after your last one fades. Usually when something gets taken away from us, it's something most people really liked. FOLLOW ME FEATURE WHERE ARE YOU :(

I was just joking, you silly.

And yeah, Game Freak has proven that their best features will only ever be in one game/duo.

Sir Codin January 15th, 2013 9:19 PM

The best thing about the Pokemon Following feature was the hilarious dialogue you'd sometimes get in HGSS.

pikakitten January 15th, 2013 9:20 PM

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Originally Posted by darkpokeball (Post 7494835)
With Pokemon X and Y being fully 3-D, are you afraid you might lose a feature in order to cram 700+ pokemon, a storyline, post-game, etc. in one tiny cartridge? What would you rather lose? What would you like to keep?

I can see them getting rid of Triple Battles...those kind of got boring after a while as they all go the same way. Normal, double, and rotation battles are keepers though. I was thinking that they might get rid of a few hidden mechanics like IV's/EV's. If so, I sincerely hope they get rid of the Masuda Method coding and anything that makes shinies easier to get. It just feels so great when you meet a shiny by luck, and you know that the same shiny can't just be gotten with a few clicks through RNG'ing.

Yes to all these xD
However, I don't want IV's and EV's gone, they just seem too secretive, so when I do it, I don't feel like I'm actually following the game's method, it doesn't feel legit xD

Cyclone January 15th, 2013 9:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweets Witch (Post 7494870)
The only thing I'm really hoping they scrap is B/W's experience system. I'd enjoy something a little more stable again.

I don't mind the quick leveling of inexperienced Pokémon. I absolutely detest the fact that leveling is just that much harder after a certaini point. I haven't bothered to train to Lv.100 for this very reason. I don't plan to cheat my way there, either. Around Lv.75 it's hard enough getting leveled up even on Audino battles; it can take five or six to gain a level even with a Lucky Egg attached in some cases.

(And yes, I still have to do the second E4 in Black as well. I have a lot of low 70s there, generally maxing at Lv.75 while I get others up there.)

Cyclone

Sydian January 15th, 2013 9:23 PM

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@Sydian: With all due respect, I freaking loved it when it asked if I wanted to use another repel after the previous one faded. Saved a lot of time from not having to pause and scroll through my menu all the time.
I'm not saying I don't like the feature, lol. I mean it's something that most people enjoyed, but watch them just remove it because it was such a minor change, or being able to swap items between two Pokemon on the Pokemon menu instead of having to go back and forth between the bag. Ughhh. That'd be a pain.

Cyclone January 15th, 2013 9:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Sydian (Post 7494964)
I'm not saying I don't like the feature, lol. I mean it's something that most people enjoyed, but watch them just remove it because it was such a minor change, or being able to swap items between two Pokemon on the Pokemon menu instead of having to go back and forth between the bag. Ughhh. That'd be a pain.

Finding I could quickly move my Exp. Share or Lucky Egg to the next Pokémon I'm training is a nice time-saver, even if it only saves me five-ten seconds. However, new items - or items taken from Pokémon - now go to the bottom of the list instead of the top. I will have to organize my Free Space (another neat little add) better with the things I use often.

Cyclone

Sydian January 15th, 2013 9:46 PM

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Finding I could quickly move my Exp. Share or Lucky Egg to the next Pokémon I'm training is a nice time-saver, even if it only saves me five-ten seconds. However, new items - or items taken from Pokémon - now go to the bottom of the list instead of the top. I will have to organize my Free Space (another neat little add) better with the things I use often.
Again, it's a feature I like. lol...Maybe I'm reading things wrong. Every time someone replies to me, I feel like they think I dislike the feature I was talking about. I love that feature I mentioned. ;( Sorry if I'm making it sound like I don't. I'm just basically saying that they will likely end up removing a minor change that most people enjoyed.

But now that you mention organization, I hope they remove the weird TM organization they added. All the TMs get put into your case in the order you get them in B2W2 instead of in numerical order. Why was THAT implemented? That's silly. I hope that if they get rid of anything, they get rid of that and just bring back the old system of organizing them by number, while allowing other options like alphabetical or type order.

Bring back L = A while I'm at it.

Cyclone January 15th, 2013 10:01 PM

No, Sydian, I was just voicing my own opinion on the feature since it was brought up. I was making no perception on your own statement earlier. :)

As for TMs, I agree. However, they now let you sort them by name, so they have to let the folder collect them in the same way. In a sense, it's not all bad; you can see before a Gym Battle what new TMs you picked up and haven't used before sorting them into place.

Cyclone

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire January 15th, 2013 10:01 PM

I hope they don't remove the repel and item switch between party additions in B2W2, I liked those.

If they have to remove something remove the minigame...though I doubt they'll take anything except for Battle subway and PWT of course.

CynicalGiant January 15th, 2013 10:39 PM

I want RSE contests back. DP contests ruined everything.

Sir Codin January 15th, 2013 10:40 PM

Dear God, I hope they don't take away PWT.

That was one of the things that really sold BW2 for me.

Ω Ruby and α Sapphire January 15th, 2013 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sydian (Post 7495003)
Bring back L = A while I'm at it.

I wish! I loved being able to play with only one hand. But yeah, there not scrapping IV's or EVs, sales will plummet if they do that. But, really we should have no trouble with space. Look at OoT, it is an extremely big game and it fits.The 3DS cartridge can hold 2 GB if I'm not mistaken, while the DS only had half a gigabyte. Space shouldn't be a problem.

Sir Codin January 15th, 2013 11:40 PM

Kid Icarus Uprising also showed that the 3DS is capable of having a ton of 3D models on the screen at once and the graphics on both that and OoT3D looked tons better than what we're seeing so far in X & Y (thought I think they said those graphics aren't final). I don't think they're going to have much problem in the way of space unless they make the region extremely huge.

Platinum Lucario January 16th, 2013 5:32 AM

Well, knowing Game Freak, they wouldn't be bound to remove a feature like triple battles or rotational battles. But they surely would be bound to remove a feature like being able to connect to the Dream World or something like that, or they would be bound to remove some small features that occur during battle or outside of battle, like how Generation V removed the effect poison status ailment had outside of battle where one of the Pokémon lost one HP per 5 steps you took.

So if they're going to remove anything, I would much prefer them to remove the C-Gear in place for something even better. But what I'd like to see kept... would be the Video Chat functions as well as the Online Battling.


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