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Boarbeque January 15th, 2013 8:32 PM

Possible leak on 2chan/reddit of starter evos
 
Hid because its a rather large image

Thoughts? Found the picture on 2chan/reddit

Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/16myox/someone/c7xiaog

EDIT: Changed the image because it has a better translation than what I attempted. Sorry for confusion with names.

If this is real, and it may or may not be, it'll be revealed sometime this week and maybe as early as tomorrow. Originally from 2chan which has been known to troll us english speaking fans, but also been known to give us actual legit leaks in the past.

I do hope this is real, but who knows for certain? I want Water/Fighting, Grass/Dark and Fire/Psychic to be real but it just sounds too good to be true.

Yuoaman January 15th, 2013 8:35 PM

Ribbub is fantastic because "bub".

I'm not sure how to feel about the rest, however - hopefully we get actual information soon.

Sydian January 15th, 2013 8:36 PM

That's neat. Tells us we're getting a finch for our generic bird Pokemon. Possibly, anyway. Can't say I'm crazy about the possible starter evo names though, especially since we haven't seen them. Cause you know, when you see something and know the name, you can kinda think "yeah that looks like a ____" so lol. They don't seem like bad names though, though I don't like the name Finches. That's just...plural of finch. Nothing that special about it.

Boarbeque January 15th, 2013 8:38 PM

Anybody know what Juumatsu/Froabanet means?

CynicalGiant January 15th, 2013 8:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sydian (Post 7494877)
That's neat. Tells us we're getting a finch for our generic bird Pokemon. Possibly, anyway. Can't say I'm crazy about the possible starter evo names though, especially since we haven't seen them. Cause you know, when you see something and know the name, you can kinda think "yeah that looks like a ____" so lol. They don't seem like bad names though, though I don't like the name Finches. That's just...plural of finch. Nothing that special about it.

Yeah, seems kinda silly but so does Chespear.

The region name being in here means that we can easily confirm or deny this rumor rather quickly since they usually tell us the region name rather early.

shubham2207 January 15th, 2013 8:56 PM

Fire/psychic... My gudness, never wanted it.. :-/
i guess,
gotta go for chespin

CynicalGiant January 15th, 2013 9:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shubham2207 (Post 7494904)
Fire/psychic... My gudness, never wanted it.. :-/
i guess,
gotta go for chespin

Maybe they figured people really liked Victini?

Queen January 15th, 2013 9:00 PM

The seconds types are also a type-triangle. So each starter would be strong and weak against each other at the same time. Pretty cool!

EJ January 15th, 2013 9:02 PM

If this turns out to be legit, then I'd be perfectly fine with it to be honest.

Fire/Psychic is neato.

CynicalGiant January 15th, 2013 9:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hamako-chan (Post 7494910)
The seconds types are also a type-triangle. So each starter would be strong and weak against each other at the same time. Pretty cool!

The list also references legendary trios, which also happen to be type triangles.

Grass Zeruneasu? ? ?
Iberutaru flame? ? ?
Zanaruoru rock / Zanarol ·? ? ?

Private railway steel / Dereyn
Runaseki rock / Lunyrite
Sikasso flame / Stapyre

Steel beats Rock beats Flame beats Steel beats Rock etc.,

Miss Anne Thrope January 15th, 2013 9:10 PM

This is pretty cool. I'm excited for a Fire/Psychic fox.

shubham2207 January 15th, 2013 9:12 PM

I usually never prefer to play psychic types(like ash lol)

it would be better that its again fire/fight, or just be it pure fire, i wont care much, cuz psychic type sucks..!

pikakitten January 15th, 2013 9:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boarbeque (Post 7494872)
Hid because its a rather large image

Thoughts? Found the picture on 2chan/reddit

Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/16myox/someone/c7xiaog

Translated it and bolded the Japanese version of the names
"Coming soon"
Pokemon X · Y

Aienki region

Kasumaron / Chespike
Yarimaron / Chespear
Grass and Dark type:

Honoko / Flannec
Ferunoko / Fernox
Fire and Psychic type:

Kerobabu / Ribbub
Juumatsu / Froabanet
Water and Fighting type:

Atorubi / Finchett
Atoruee / Finches form X
Atoruno / Fincho form Y


Legendary Pokemon
Grass Zeruneasu? ? ?
Iberutaru flame? ? ?
Zanaruoru rock / Zanarol ·? ? ?
Private railway steel / Dereyn
Runaseki rock / Lunyrite
Sikasso flame / Stapyre


If this is real, and it may or may not be, it'll be revealed sometime this week and maybe as early as tomorrow. Originally from 2chan which has been known to troll us english speaking fans, but also been known to give us actual legit leaks in the past.

I do hope this is real, but who knows for certain? I want Water/Fighting, Grass/Dark and Fire/Psychic to be real but it just sounds too good to be true.

I will deny that this is real, mainly because Reddit xD But yeah, anyways that's what everybody wants them to be for starters, I don't even know what a Finchett is, and I suppose the Legendary Pokemon seem cool, but they don't have pokemon-y names IMO xD

Miss Anne Thrope January 15th, 2013 9:29 PM

Landed me the name Fernox on Gaiaonline. Woot.
If these end up not being real, it's no big deal. Fernox soudns cool.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire January 15th, 2013 9:40 PM

I'm hoping they are real. I love psychic types so the fox would be nice to see :) (also if remakes do come it'll mean we've never had two fire/fighting starters in one generation just one since gen 3 (3-Blaziken, 4- Inferape, 5- Emboar, 6- Blaziken again)). So nice to know we won't have another fire/Fighting, crosses fingers. Please be real!

shubham2207 January 15th, 2013 9:48 PM

Fire mono would work too, i guess so

Cyclone January 15th, 2013 9:49 PM

So it looks like I'm 1.5 for 3 on these ones; I never thought Grass/Dark as I didn't think they'd do a full double type triangle (I thought Ground because it looks like a mole with a leafy cap), and my second guess for the Water starter sub-type was Fighting (I picked Poison first). Meanwhile, I nailed Fennekin's sub-type of Psychic (was just about to say I nailed Fennekin but that sounds wrong).

Cyclone

Sydian January 15th, 2013 9:53 PM

Water/Fighting ruins my dreams of frogs on a cloud. :(

Quote:

I usually never prefer to play psychic types(like ash lol)

it would be better that its again fire/fight, or just be it pure fire, i wont care much, cuz psychic type sucks..!
Mewtwo, Deoxys, Victini, Alakazam, Espeon, Reuniclus, and other Psychic types I'm too lazy to list are laughing rn.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire January 15th, 2013 9:54 PM

I guess simple fire would've worked but that's Typlosion's special place in the fire starters, being the only mono type of the 5 (now 6).

Cyclone January 15th, 2013 9:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sydian (Post 7495010)
Water/Fighting ruins my dreams of frogs on a cloud. :(

Let me help cheer you up with a frog cloud.


CynicalGiant January 15th, 2013 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sydian (Post 7495010)
Water/Fighting ruins my dreams of frogs on a cloud. :(

But if fulfills my dreams of a Frog challenging people to Fisticuffs!

Musica January 15th, 2013 10:02 PM

Each starter is weak to the other sounds good.

Grass-Dark
Fire-Psychic
Water-Fighting

The only thing that would make this better (even if it is repetitive) is to have two rivals again!

Cyclone January 15th, 2013 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Musica (Post 7495024)
Each starter is weak to the other sounds good.

Grass-Dark
Fire-Psychic
Water-Fighting

The only thing that would make this better (even if it is repetitive) is to have two rivals again!

As strange as it sounds, evolved starters shouldn't battle each other in these games. Most experienced Trainers will have one of each type of move that the other starters are weak to (for instance, Fennekin's would have a Psychic move for Froakie's and a Fire move for Chespin's), and it thus becomes a battle of speed more than anything else. Thus, said experienced Trainers will bring others to the gunfight and use them instead. The Starters will be more useful where they are battling something without the moves that can topple them.

I fully expect two rivals, on that note.

Cyclone

CynicalGiant January 15th, 2013 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CycloneGU (Post 7495030)
As strange as it sounds, evolved starters shouldn't battle each other in these games. Most experienced Trainers will have one of each type of move that the other starters are weak to (for instance, Fennekin's would have a Psychic move for Froakie's and a Fire move for Chespin's), and it thus becomes a battle of speed more than anything else. Thus, said experienced Trainers will bring others to the gunfight and use them instead. The Starters will be more useful where they are battling something without the moves that can topple them.

I fully expect two rivals, on that note.

Cyclone

More rival battles perhaps?

shubham2207 January 15th, 2013 10:13 PM

Oh lol, i never noticed fennekin kill both of them, its same for chespin and froakie too...

Musica January 15th, 2013 10:14 PM

With your statement, I was thinking of a triple threat battle o_o It may be a battle of speed, but defenses may still be in place. They may surprisingly have the same base speed, too.

Cyclone January 15th, 2013 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CynicalGiant (Post 7495039)
More rival battles perhaps?

There will be at least three with each, I daresay, during the storyline. With eight Gyms, in fact, they could get away with four. However, that would be TOO frequent; they'd be better off spacing three into the storyline in places. That way we get to see each starter in each of its three forms, and post-E4 we can have the uber-duper battle with Lv.65 Pokémon or somethink.

Cyclone

CynicalGiant January 15th, 2013 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Musica (Post 7495024)
Each starter is weak to the other sounds good.

Grass-Dark
Fire-Psychic
Water-Fighting

The only thing that would make this better (even if it is repetitive) is to have two rivals again!

I always prefer dual typed starters and pokemon in general. I like covering as many types as possible on my teams.

razzbat January 15th, 2013 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CycloneGU (Post 7495044)
There will be at least three with each, I daresay, during the storyline. With eight Gyms, in fact, they could get away with four. However, that would be TOO frequent; they'd be better off spacing three into the storyline in places. That way we get to see each starter in each of its three forms, and post-E4 we can have the uber-duper battle with Lv.65 Pokémon or somethink.

Cyclone

yeah that does sound good, 2 rivals you battle 3 times before the elite 4, it gets annoying when you have to battle rivals too frequently.
but man, the types do sound too good to be true. grass/dark and fire/psychic? freaking awesome. I can't imagine that they would be announcing the whole starter's evolution line so early though. I mean with bw the final form of the starters weren't shown until the game was released.

CynicalGiant January 15th, 2013 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by razzbat (Post 7495074)
yeah that does sound good, 2 rivals you battle 3 times before the elite 4, it gets annoying when you have to battle rivals too frequently.
but man, the types do sound too good to be true. grass/dark and fire/psychic? freaking awesome. I can't imagine that they would be announcing the whole starter's evolution line so early though. I mean with bw the final form of the starters weren't shown until the game was released.

Maybe giving us more information straight up would increase the amount of hype generated, thus giving them more sales?

Sweets Witch January 15th, 2013 10:45 PM

I hope Chespear looks better and has a better movepool than Shiftry because Grass/Dark is a pretty cool typing. Lots of weaknesses, lots of resistances.

Also this suddenly became relevant. It's Water/Fighting time.


Ho-Oh January 15th, 2013 10:46 PM

I don't really believe it. A lot of this stuff used to circulate in B/W and only a quarter of it was true, not saying that this can't be correct but I honestly think it's too early for any of this (given that it's meant to be revealed this week...?) I mean, the starter evolutions in Generation 5 were only revealed about about a month or even less before the games came out. I know GF can break patterns and such, but really, there's 10 months to go, they've got to space themselves out a bit really.

But yeah I wouldn't mind if it was true, I just somewhat doubt it.

The_Mew January 15th, 2013 10:46 PM

The names seem pretty legit, s bit dissapointed by the regions name, although i dont know if thats the international or japanese only name

Sabrewulf238 January 15th, 2013 10:59 PM

The names do seem pretty real...

I like the name Froabanet, it rolls off the tongue.

I suppose it's possible that game freak might be attempting to do something like what they do with super smash bros (with the dojo) and keep giving us tidbits of info.

Treecko January 15th, 2013 11:16 PM

If this is real, I'd be pretty happy and might change my mind about who I'll pick. I've always wanted a Grass/Dark starter and Chespin's evolutions names sound the best. Plus Fire/Psychic seems like the best typing for Flannec and Fernox . Anything that's not Fire/Fightning is fine by me though. lol. So hopefully this is right cause I want another Grass/Dark type besides Shiftry.

Miss Doronjo January 15th, 2013 11:19 PM

The starts look fine; it's the legendary pokemon's names that look... weird to me; I mean, Private railway steel / Dereyn? Is that like... a pokemon that resembles trains? Runaseki rock / Lunyrite, and Sikasso flame / Stapyre... Lunyrite and Stapyre sounded related to me at first, but.... idk. Eh, I'm not sure if I would call this real; it's possible, but, iiiit just sounds a little off.xD

Ω Ruby and α Sapphire January 15th, 2013 11:58 PM

I don't really believe it, I never really buy into those things. But if true, i'd be cool with it.

The_Consumer January 16th, 2013 12:37 AM

Grass/Dark is a nice typing for a starter. I'm really looking forward to these games >.>

Superfox January 16th, 2013 12:44 AM

I'm gonna chime in and say that this is probably fake. And I want it to be fake. I'd rather not have a subtype trio at all. Plus, if they're going to make Froakie's evos Water/Fighting, then why not just make Poliwag the water starter.

shubham2207 January 16th, 2013 1:09 AM

Then y charizard is not a legendary pkmn? Moltres is also fire/flying... XD

Polizard January 16th, 2013 2:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superfox (Post 7495184)
I'm gonna chime in and say that this is probably fake. And I want it to be fake. I'd rather not have a subtype trio at all. Plus, if they're going to make Froakie's evos Water/Fighting, then why not just make Poliwag the water starter.

That's a really hollow argument there are heaps of Pokemon with the same types as starter Pokemon. Swampert/Wishcash/Gastradon/Palpitoed ,Bulbasaur line/ Bellsprout line, Bulbasuar line/ and Oddish line i think that is it an either way Poliwag is amazing and everyone would be lucky if it was a starter.


I will feel very at home with a Water/fighting type so I would be very happy if this turns out to be true.

It would be like Poliwrath number 2, as you guys can imagine Poliwrath is a Pokemon that i have and will continue to use many times.

Fire/psychic I'm not that excited about I'm really not that huge of a psychic types i like a few but not one of my favorite types.

Grass Dark I'm pretty excited about i think it is a pretty decent type layout i have used Cacturne and i was a fan so I'm pretty happy in general.

But as you guys can imagine i will go Froakie

skyluigi2 January 16th, 2013 2:40 AM

I wouldn't mind if it was true, but it may be fake. We'll have to wait for actual confirmation from Nintendo/ Game Freak to be 100% sure.

Platinum Lucario January 16th, 2013 3:32 AM

Too good to be true, sadly. xD

'Cause here's the thing, the name "Fernox" is already trademarked by some other company for their cleaning products, so that does prove that it only made up and made so that fans would be fooled by something like that, 4chan is like that with their image boards.

I would've been speculating something like "Psyfennic" for Fennekin's final evolution rather than "Fernox".

But ah well, let's see what they'll reveal later on in the year, I think it's too soon for The Pokémon Company to reveal the information about the final evolutions, 'cause they usually reveal the final evolutions after they've shown many features in the game as well as the other new Pokémon that are going to be in the game. We've got until October 2013, it's a looooong time before they ever get to release the game, so to keep the excitement up, they wouldn't reveal that stuff too soon, otherwise if they reveal everything too soon... it keeps the excitement down. xD

Yep, way too soon for the final evolutions. But that won't stop us speculating. :P

blue January 16th, 2013 3:35 AM

If theyre correct for the starters, my prediction was spot on. ;:

Guy January 16th, 2013 3:59 AM

What makes me doubt this at the most is that all of this information about new Pokémon, specifically the legendary Pokémon, are said to be revealed within this week. If that's so, then that's a lot of new information to put out with nine months left to go. Information that is usually revealed at a much later time.

But going with it, it seems too good to be true. The starter names I like a lot, and the typing for each of them are pretty spot on to what many are speculating them to be. Which is why it would seem easy to fabricate something like this.

I like the idea of a Finch Pokémon, and based on the English names, they're definitely a play on the theory about the genetics theory and basing the forms off of the male and female chromosomes.

What bugs me is that from the list of the new legendary types, Fire and Rock seem to be used twice. I mean, I could see them trying to go for a triangular balance, but to use the same two types for two separate legendaries, and make a possible second trio like in Gen V, seems a bit... much? Also, not too keen on a railway or train Pokémon. I keep picturing Season 4 of Digimon with this idea.

I suppose time will only tell, but if it turns out true, I won't be opposed to it. I'm liking what I see, just doubtful for now.

Cordelia January 16th, 2013 5:28 AM

I cannot contain my excitement at this (possible) leak! I really like everything I'm seeing here... especially Fire/Psychic! I like being weak/strong against the other starters :33 Makes things much more interesting. AND THE TRIOS OMG! Can't wait n__________n

*fangirl*

Shiny Bidoof January 16th, 2013 6:39 AM

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Originally Posted by PokémonShinySilver (Post 7495294)
'Cause here's the thing, the name "Fernox" is already trademarked by some other company for their cleaning products, so that does prove that it only made up and made so that fans would be fooled by something like that, 4chan is like that with their image boards.

That's pretty funny. I've heard people say that the new legendaries' names sound like antidepressants.

Back OT, I always play water as my starter, but I might end up going grass this time around. Dark>water IMO.

Satoshi Ookami January 16th, 2013 6:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hamako-chan (Post 7494910)
The seconds types are also a type-triangle. So each starter would be strong and weak against each other at the same time. Pretty cool!

Not quite, unless they change Psychic -> Dark immunity.
But if it's true then banzai, finally not Fire/Fighting starter...

Pinkie-Dawn January 16th, 2013 6:59 AM

I hope this is fake because:

1) Chespin looks nothing like it could evolve into a Grass/Dark type, more like Grass/Ground

2) Dark and Psychic were formally special-based moves, and all the other secondary types in the past were formally physical-based, which makes it a pattern

3) Dark/Pyschic/Fighting is an unbalanced type cycle because Dark is immune to Psychic, unlike Grass/Fire/Water, where all three can hit each other supper effectively and not very effectively even as dual types

SnowpointQuincy January 16th, 2013 7:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PokémonShinySilver (Post 7495294)
Too good to be true, sadly. xD

'Cause here's the thing, the name "Fernox" is already trademarked by some other company for their cleaning products, so that does prove that it only made up and made so that fans would be fooled by something like that, 4chan is like that with their image boards.

Nice catch. Most people wouldn't think to check to see if these names are already trademarked.

I think it is clearly Fake. But, that is the fun of this time between games!!

Guy January 16th, 2013 7:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ash493 (Post 7495458)
Not quite, unless they change Psychic -> Dark immunity.
But if it's true then banzai, finally not Fire/Fighting starter...

Even though Dark is immune to Psychic, with the way this potential leak has been set up, it's still all pretty balanced in terms of each starter being strong and weak against one another.

Yuoaman January 16th, 2013 7:15 AM

While I'm still partial to the idea of Froakie becoming a Water/Dark burglar I'm warming to the idea of Water/Fighting since the idea came to me that the bubbles could form a cape or some such. SUPER HERO POKEMON, GUYS.

fffire24 January 16th, 2013 7:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CynicalGiant (Post 7494923)
The list also references legendary trios, which also happen to be type triangles.

Grass Zeruneasu? ? ?
Iberutaru flame? ? ?
Zanaruoru rock / Zanarol ·? ? ?

Private railway steel / Dereyn
Runaseki rock / Lunyrite
Sikasso flame / Stapyre

Steel beats Rock beats Flame beats Steel beats Rock etc.,

That's an odd translation. Anyone know why?

CynicalGiant January 16th, 2013 7:48 AM

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Originally Posted by fffire24 (Post 7495522)
That's an odd translation. Anyone know why?

Its poor translation, obviously. Not everyone who tries to translates things on the internet knows everything there is to know about Japanese. It's probably a mistranslation from slang or something, maybe some sort of onomatopoeia.

Kanto_Johto January 16th, 2013 7:56 AM

Information from 2chan and Reddit is *usually* pretty unreliable/wrong. I wouldn't mind those typings for the evos, but I'm not going to assume that's what we're getting until a reliable source confirms it 100%.

Shiny Bidoof January 16th, 2013 8:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yuoaman (Post 7495493)
While I'm still partial to the idea of Froakie becoming a Water/Dark burglar I'm warming to the idea of Water/Fighting since the idea came to me that the bubbles could form a cape or some such. SUPER HERO POKEMON, GUYS.

If Froakie is a secondary dark, it would definitely explain the big yellow eyes.

Flydro January 16th, 2013 9:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yuoaman (Post 7495493)
While I'm still partial to the idea of Froakie becoming a Water/Dark burglar I'm warming to the idea of Water/Fighting since the idea came to me that the bubbles could form a cape or some such. SUPER HERO POKEMON, GUYS.

Personally I'd rather if Froakie became a Water/Dark type, it would make for a much more interesting frog pokemon imo. I'm totally against it becoming a Water/Fighting type because we already have Poliwrath and I think they should let Froakie develop into a different type of frog instead of trying to make up for what Poliwrath is lacking. We have three different frogs: Poliwrath, Toxicroak and Seismitoad so I think Game Freak should go a new route with Froakie. I think the game could use a better Water/Fighting type, but there would be too many parallels to Poliwrath for Froakie's evo to have the same type combo so hey should save that type combo for a better suited pokemon. If Froakie doesn't become Water/Dark then maybe Water/Flying could work to suit the cloud cape around it's neck. Or better yet if they can't come up with anything different then just keep it pure Water type!

Boarbeque January 16th, 2013 9:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Flydro (Post 7495636)
Personally I'd rather if Froakie became a Water/Dark type, it would make for a much more interesting frog pokemon imo. I'm totally against it becoming a Water/Fighting type because we already have Poliwrath and I think they should let Froakie develop into a different type of frog instead of trying to make up for what Poliwrath is lacking. We have three different frogs: Poliwrath, Toxicroak and Seismitoad so I think Game Freak should go a new route with Froakie. I think the game could use a better Water/Fighting type, but there would be too many parallels to Poliwrath for Froakie's evo to have the same type combo so hey should save that type combo for a better suited pokemon. If Froakie doesn't become Water/Dark then maybe Water/Flying could work to suit the cloud cape around it's neck. Or better yet if they can't come up with anything different then just keep it pure Water type!

Poliwrath isn't technically a frog, but I do get where you are coming from.

Updated the translation in the OP and provided a better image. I do think this may be true, but I suppose we shall find out sooner or later. Less believable things have been true from the days of pre 5th gen release speculation.

CynicalGiant January 16th, 2013 9:37 AM

Interesting, this says that the Y is Dark/??? and X is Grass/???. Assuming this is true, which is a stretch, we might be getting new types.

As for the credibility of the rest of the information, its a pretty well made hoax if it is indeed one. It gives out little enough information that it can pass for a leaked "teaser". It even appears to hold some information back (which isn't very typical of teasers). It also boldly gives out concrete statements, such as the names, which would be among the first things to be revealed and thus would be easy to verify. Version-dependent evolutions is certainly GameFreak-esque.

Arlo January 16th, 2013 9:47 AM

Mm... right.

This isn't even the first "leak" of the starter evos I've seen today.

For a bit of amusement, search "pokemon starter evos." You'll not only find multiple, and conflicting, "leaks" of the next starter evos, but some really outlandish "leaks" of the previous gens.

Yamiidenryuu January 16th, 2013 9:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 7495468)
I hope this is fake because:

1) Chespin looks nothing like it could evolve into a Grass/Dark type, more like Grass/Ground

2) Dark and Psychic were formally special-based moves, and all the other secondary types in the past were formally physical-based, which makes it a pattern

3) Dark/Pyschic/Fighting is an unbalanced type cycle because Dark is immune to Psychic, unlike Grass/Fire/Water, where all three can hit each other supper effectively and not very effectively even as dual types

1) Torchic doesn't look like a fighting type at all, and yet here we are.

2) I really don't think that matters after the physical/special split. Actually, I doubt it mattered even before that. It's not like there's really a reason for them to keep that pattern like there is for, say, having certain types for starters or having a duo/trio of legendaries for the game covers.

3) This is a pretty minor problem given that fire still hits grass SEly. And that type trio has already been referenced in BW anyway- one of the triple battle rematches in Opelucid uses Bisharp/Elgyem/Mienfoo while the other uses the elemental monkey trio- so Gamefreak is apparently fine with it.

That aside, I still don't think this is legit. But we'll see.

Aquanova January 16th, 2013 9:58 AM

It would be interesting if true. Fennekin being Fire/Psychic is a step up from Fire/Fighting certainly. However Im hesitant to believe any of this yet, until real confirmed info comes about despite that true info sometimes does surface on 2ch.

Shiny Bidoof January 16th, 2013 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flydro (Post 7495636)
I'm totally against it becoming a Water/Fighting type because we already have Poliwrath and I think they should let Froakie develop into a different type of frog instead of trying to make up for what Poliwrath is lacking. We have three different frogs: Poliwrath, Toxicroak and Seismitoad so I think Game Freak should go a new route with Froakie.

I think Froakie's next evolution will look like this:

http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/004/cache/amazon-horned-frog_443_600x450.jpg

We don't have any frogs that look like that.

Superfox January 16th, 2013 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Polizard (Post 7495249)
That's a really hollow argument there are heaps of Pokemon with the same types as starter Pokemon. Swampert/Wishcash/Gastradon/Palpitoed ,Bulbasaur line/ Bellsprout line, Bulbasuar line/ and Oddish line i think that is it an either way Poliwag is amazing and everyone would be lucky if it was a starter.


I will feel very at home with a Water/fighting type so I would be very happy if this turns out to be true.

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Originally Posted by shubham2207 (Post 7495195)
Then y charizard is not a legendary pkmn? Moltres is also fire/flying... XD

Its not just the fact that it could be a Water/Fighting type, but that it would be a Water/Fighting type that is also part of a three-stage evolutionary line and based on a frog, just like the Poliwag line.

The differences between Swampert, Whiscash, Gastradon, and Palpitoed are apparent when looking at their origin. They are based on a salamander, a catfish, a sea slug, and a toad, respectively. Likewise, Charizard is a dragon while Moltres is a phoenix. The same also applies to Bulbasaur, Bellsprout, and Oddish (dinosaur, venus flytrap, and radish, respectively).

classiccartoonsftw January 16th, 2013 11:33 AM

When I saw the name "Lunyrite", I thought it was going to be an evolution for Lunatone!

As for the starters' types... MAKE. IT. HAPPEN!!!!!

☆aqua☆ January 16th, 2013 11:38 AM

I hope this is real. Like a lot of people, I'm pretty sick of Fire/Fighting with the starters (I wouldn't mind it for wild Pokemon though).

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire January 16th, 2013 11:44 AM

@ Superfox Swampert's based on a mudskipper not a salamender. And than there's Ho-Oh who is also part Fire/Flying and based on a Phoenix (the asian version of one).

Either way I don't mind another water/fighting frog as long as they make it a different type of frog/toad.

jellotime91 January 16th, 2013 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Aerilyn (Post 7495477)
Even though Dark is immune to Psychic, with the way this potential leak has been set up, it's still all pretty balanced in terms of each starter being strong and weak against one another.

It's still perfectly balanced. You just don't use Psychic attacks against a Dark type, and you won't need to. First of all, your rival won't choose grass if you choose fire. Second, even if you're fighitng someone with the Grass / Dark final, you'd use your Fire moves. You wouldn't use your Fire moves against the water type, would you? No, you'd use your Psychic moves. Just the same, you wouldn't use your Psychic moves against a Dark type, you use the Fire moves.

Anywhoozle, I really hope this is true, and I actually think the trailer supports it. Their moves look like Fire/Psychic, Grass/Dark, and Water/Fighting.

Superfox January 16th, 2013 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7495851)
@ Superfox Swampert's based on a mudskipper not a salamender. And than there's Ho-Oh who is also part Fire/Flying and based on a Phoenix (the asian version of one).

Either way I don't mind another water/fighting frog as long as they make it a different type of frog/toad.

Actually Mudkip is mostly based on a mudpuppy or an axolotl, which are both types of salamanders. There may be some influence from mudskippers in there, but little to none. In fact, I think the only thing that is at all influenced by mudskippers seems to be its name.

jellotime91 January 16th, 2013 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Shiny Bidoof (Post 7495728)
I think Froakie's next evolution will look like this:

http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/004/cache/amazon-horned-frog_443_600x450.jpg

We don't have any frogs that look like that.

I doubt it. It looks to me like he is ready to stand up. If he had little tiny legs that didn't look like they could extend, then yeah, but he looks like he will be a more agile type to me. Anyway it'll be nice to finally see how it turns out.

Guy January 16th, 2013 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jellotime91 (Post 7495903)
I doubt it. It looks to me like he is ready to stand up. If he had little tiny legs that didn't look like they could extend, then yeah, but he looks like he will be a more agile type to me. Anyway it'll be nice to finally see how it turns out.

I don't disagree, but I wouldn't rule it out. Tepig started on all fours and evolved into a bipedal sumo. Oshawott stood on two legs up until his final evolution. Mudkip went from being on four small legs, to walking on two, and then he went back on all fours, albeit he could still stand on two legs if I recall correctly from the anime. Point being, there's very much a possibility he could turn out like that. Again, I don't disagree with you. He looks like he's going to be a bipedal-type Pokémon as he evolves, and if he ends up as a Water/Fighting like this "leak" says, then even more so.

Esper January 16th, 2013 12:53 PM

I would like to see some confirmation of this. It's all plausible, of course, but something about it makes me doubtful. Maybe I'm just suspicious in general, but getting fully evolved starters with Dark/Fighting/Psychic secondary types just like everyone's always wanted seems too coincidental.

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Originally Posted by fffire24 (Post 7495522)
That's an odd translation. Anyone know why?

shi tetsu (私鉄 or してつ) means private railway. Probably just a homonym if it's accurate. It's the 'tetsu' part which is important since it means 'steel'

Oshamaru January 16th, 2013 1:33 PM

I have my doubts. I also think it´s way too early to reveal all these things. They could reveal the generic bird alongside some other Pokémon though. I wouldn´t mind if the typings were real...I just hope they don´t mess up Chespin too much.

tente2 January 16th, 2013 1:45 PM

NO PLEASE NO. Please be fake. PLEEEEAAAAAASEEEE!!!!!!!

Although, if this is real, then I guess some people will like it, and it'll be okay.

My one concern is that people will pretend that Dark/Fighting/Psychic is a type triangle, to counteract Water/Fire/Grass. I loathe that everybody has it engraved that Dark/Psychic/Fighting is a type triangle. IT'S NOT. Do you like Dark/Fighting/Psychic? Do you want starters to be these types? That's okay, and I respect that, that's your opinion. What really peeves, me, though, is when people go around allegedly boasting that Dark/Fighting/Psychic is a type triangle, when it isn't, BECAUSE DARK IS IMMUNE TO PSYCHIC, PEOPLE.

There are other legitimate type triangles, other than Grass/Water/Fire. Rock/Flying/Fighting and Ice/Flying/Fighting are some examples.

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Originally Posted by jellotime91 (Post 7495896)
It's still perfectly balanced. You just don't use Psychic attacks against a Dark type, and you won't need to. First of all, your rival won't choose grass if you choose fire. Second, even if you're fighitng someone with the Grass / Dark final, you'd use your Fire moves. You wouldn't use your Fire moves against the water type, would you? No, you'd use your Psychic moves. Just the same, you wouldn't use your Psychic moves against a Dark type, you use the Fire moves.

Anywhoozle, I really hope this is true, and I actually think the trailer supports it. Their moves look like Fire/Psychic, Grass/Dark, and Water/Fighting.

That's completely irrelevant! There's a difference between ignoring type triangles, and pretending they're fair. Just because you have some other moves to fight back with, that doesn't change the fact that one starter has an unfair obtrusive advantage over the other two.

Although, on the plus side, I know that you've been wanting Dark/Psychic/Fighting for a while now, so if this turns out to be true, you (and a couple other people, apparently) will be really pleased with the starters, I bet! So, Gamefreak would still be succeeding, because the majority of the fans don't care about the slight unfairness, from the vibe I'm getting, and will warm up to the starter's evolutions quite quickly.

Which is good, don't you think? There's no pleasing everybody, so if this turns out to be one of those generations where my personal tastes aren't pleased, I'll just wait until the next generation.

vaporeon7 January 16th, 2013 1:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarf (Post 7495932)
I would like to see some confirmation of this. It's all plausible, of course, but something about it makes me doubtful. Maybe I'm just suspicious in general, but getting fully evolved starters with Dark/Fighting/Psychic secondary types just like everyone's always wanted seems too coincidental.

I agree, the fact that the typings are exactly what people predicted and wanted makes it all seem much more suspicious.

RedWing January 16th, 2013 1:53 PM

Who cares if it isn't a type triangle -_- The bottom line is, it allows Chespin to have a shot against Fennekin, and so on and so on. So Feenkin can't damage Chespin with its Psychic attacks, oh well. Not like Fennekin's a Fire-type or anything.

Personally, I'd be very happy if these leaks were true, but as others have said, the chances aren't really likely considering the source. But, then again, stranger things have happened.

Yamiidenryuu January 16th, 2013 2:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tente2 (Post 7495994)
Ice/Flying/Fighting

... You do realize that's a worse triangle than fighting/psychic/dark, right? Fighting doesn't resist ice, and ice doesn't resist flying.

And seriously, people are blowing the immunity thing way out of proportion, especially give that it's only being used for secondary types. Chespin's evolution having an immunity rather than a resistance to a move Fennekin's evo wouldn't even be using due to much better options is barely "obtrusive". Besides, if they're really reworking the type chart to accommodate new types like some other rumors said, they could easily fix this teeny little problem and use the starters to show it off.

RedWing January 16th, 2013 2:26 PM

A re-worked type chart would be nice.

Personally, I'd like to see Bugs and Poison-types to be buffed, either with more resistances, or advantages. Also, I'd really like the whole Psychic immunity thing to be done away with. I never really understood the logic behind it and, frankly, it seems wasteful that Dark types have an immunity to Psychic when it could simply have a resistance and possibly add a new resistance to compensate for it.

jellotime91 January 16th, 2013 2:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tente2 (Post 7495994)
That's completely irrelevant! There's a difference between ignoring type triangles, and pretending they're fair. Just because you have some other moves to fight back with, that doesn't change the fact that one starter has an unfair obtrusive advantage over the other two.

Although, on the plus side, I know that you've been wanting Dark/Psychic/Fighting for a while now, so if this turns out to be true, you (and a couple other people, apparently) will be really pleased with the starters, I bet! So, Gamefreak would still be succeeding, because the majority of the fans don't care about the slight unfairness, from the vibe I'm getting, and will warm up to the starter's evolutions quite quickly.

Which is good, don't you think? There's no pleasing everybody, so if this turns out to be one of those generations where my personal tastes aren't pleased, I'll just wait until the next generation.

Starters have always been a little unbalanced. Squirtle can learn Ice-type moves and seriously **** up Bulbasaur. IMO there has never been a perfectly balanced trio. Psychic/Dark/Fighting would be the most balanced we've ever had.

And @RedWing that's exactly my point! :) It gives each one an advantage over the other! It doesn't matter if it's perfect. And I mean really, we're going to have flying/rock/fighting as secondary types? I would never pick a rock-type starter, ever.

Livewire January 16th, 2013 3:03 PM

I actually would be ok with all of that. I'd still grab Fennekin over the other two, awesome typings aside.

Assuming this is real. D:

Xander Olivieri January 16th, 2013 3:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jellotime91 (Post 7496050)
Starters have always been a little unbalanced. Squirtle can learn Ice-type moves and seriously **** up Bulbasaur. IMO there has never been a perfectly balanced trio. Psychic/Dark/Fighting would be the most balanced we've ever had.

And @RedWing that's exactly my point! :) It gives each one an advantage over the other! It doesn't matter if it's perfect. And I mean really, we're going to have flying/rock/fighting as secondary types? I would never pick a rock-type starter, ever.

Gen 2 was perfectly balanced, and in no way is having an immunity close to being considered balanced. What they can learn is irrelevent as some fire starters, possibly all can learn electic attacks as well as various grass starters learning rock/ground attacks. All they are looking at is face value of type match-ups.

RedWing January 16th, 2013 3:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jellotime91 (Post 7496050)
@RedWing that's exactly my point! :) It gives each one an advantage over the other! It doesn't matter if it's perfect. And I mean really, we're going to have flying/rock/fighting as secondary types? I would never pick a rock-type starter, ever.

Nor would I. Rock, in and of itself, is a very unappealing typing simply because it alludes to a slow Pokemon that can be easily wrecked by Fighting attacks. A Fire/Rock type would be horrible against anything that knows EQ, a Water/Rock...well, we've all seen how well Relicanth fairs in battle against Grass types. The only combination that would be even remotely decent would be Grass/Rock since it would provide it with higher physical Defense (Uncommon in Grass-types) as well as remove its weakness to Fire and Flying-type attacks.

Cerberus87 January 16th, 2013 3:34 PM

I'm going to take a risk and claim this is true. If you watch the trailer, you can see Fennekin uses a move that looks like a Psychic move.

It would be very cool if this was true BTW.

RedWing January 16th, 2013 3:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Cerberus87 (Post 7496129)
I'm going to take a risk and claim this is true. If you watch the trailer, you can see Fennekin uses a move that looks like a Psychic move.

It would be very cool if this was true BTW.

You know, I thought it was going to be part Psychic based on that as well! It also looks like Chespin and Froakie use a Dark and Fighting move respectively.

tente2 January 16th, 2013 4:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Yamiidenryuu (Post 7496036)
... You do realize that's a worse triangle than fighting/psychic/dark, right? Fighting doesn't resist ice, and ice doesn't resist flying.

Not in my opinion. But in the end, it doesn't really matter. If the starters aren't Dark/Psychic/Fighting, then great for me! And if they are, I simply won't use the starters, and other people who appreciate D/P/F starters more can use them and be happy.

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Originally Posted by jellotime91 (Post 7496050)
And @RedWing that's exactly my point! :) It gives each one an advantage over the other! It doesn't matter if it's perfect. And I mean really, we're going to have flying/rock/fighting as secondary types? I would never pick a rock-type starter, ever.

I like Rock types! It's fine if you don't like them, but in retrospect I wouldn't use a starter within a D/P/F triangle, "ever".

It matters to me if it's perfect, but honestly, like I said, if you get your D/P/F starters, good for you! It's not the end of the world for me, anyway, and I think if you really like D/P/F triangles that much, you'll enjoy playing with the starters for this generation.

AfewQuestions January 16th, 2013 4:15 PM

If this is true Slowbro and Starmie will be great fennekin counters.

Pinkie-Dawn January 16th, 2013 4:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Yamiidenryuu (Post 7495670)
1) Torchic doesn't look like a fighting type at all, and yet here we are.

2) I really don't think that matters after the physical/special split. Actually, I doubt it mattered even before that. It's not like there's really a reason for them to keep that pattern like there is for, say, having certain types for starters or having a duo/trio of legendaries for the game covers.

3) This is a pretty minor problem given that fire still hits grass SEly. And that type trio has already been referenced in BW anyway- one of the triple battle rematches in Opelucid uses Bisharp/Elgyem/Mienfoo while the other uses the elemental monkey trio- so Gamefreak is apparently fine with it.

That aside, I still don't think this is legit. But we'll see.

1) That's because a fighting chicken actually exists. A dark type hedgehog, on the other hand, doesn't. Shadow is a poor example of a dark type

2) Poison, Flying, Fighting, Ground, and Steel were formerly physical, so there's no way to stop the pattern now.

3) Both STABs of a dual-typed starter are suppose to hit another starter regardless if it's super effective or not very effective. There's no sign of an immunity from each regional starters (there's no ground starter in Kanto, no poison starter in Hoenn nor Sinnoh, and no electric starter in Sinnoh).

RedWing January 16th, 2013 4:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 7496222)
1) That's because a fighting chicken actually exists. A dark type hedgehog, on the other hand, doesn't. Shadow is a poor example of a dark type

2) Poison, Flying, Fighting, Ground, and Steel were formerly physical, so there's no way to stop the pattern now.

3) Both STABs of a dual-typed starter are suppose to hit another starter regardless if it's super effective or not very effective. There's no sign of an immunity from each regional starters (there's no ground starter in Kanto, no poison starter in Hoenn nor Sinnoh, and no electric starter in Sinnoh).

1) And? Torchic could easily have been the pre-evolution to some phoenix Pokemon for all we knew.

2) Um, sorry to burst your bubble, but GameFreak can do whatever they please. Pokemon is their project and if they feel like adding triple-typing or making a Pokemon "Cake" type, then they can. They aren't restricted by silly patterns the fans notice.

3) Oh really? Again, another fan-based theory. Never officially stated, nor alluded to. Again, GameFreak does as it pleases. Attempting to stick to "tradition", as some would call it with Pokemon, is like trying to name Jell-O to a tree.

Keiran January 16th, 2013 4:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sydian (Post 7495010)
Water/Fighting ruins my dreams of frogs on a cloud. :(

Don't know about that. Goku and the Monkey King both fought on clouds. :)


Anyways..I'm not too sure about this leak. "Aikenki" would translate into something like "I love sword wielding demons" I think...which sounds odd for a region name. Aikenki sounds more fitting for the name of a Ghost/Steel type, lol.

If this does turn out to be true, I was at least right about the starter types. :D Also, assuming this is true, that finch Pokemon seems to have different formes based on gender (not just appearance). Kind of like Nidoran. Which backs up the common assumption that this generations theme is based on genetics.

CynicalGiant January 16th, 2013 5:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Keiran777 (Post 7496255)
Don't know about that. Goku and the Monkey King both fought on clouds. :)


Anyways..I'm not too sure about this leak. "Aikenki" would translate into something like "I love sword wielding demons" I think...which sounds odd for a region name. Aikenki sounds more fitting for the name of a Ghost/Steel type, lol.

If this does turn out to be true, I was at least right about the starter types. :D Also, assuming this is true, that finch Pokemon seems to have different formes based on gender (not just appearance). Kind of like Nidoran. Which backs up the common assumption that this generations theme is based on genetics.

The forms are different based on the version itself, not entirely the gender.

Guy January 16th, 2013 5:16 PM

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Originally Posted by vaporeon7 (Post 7495999)
I agree, the fact that the typings are exactly what people predicted and wanted makes it all seem much more suspicious.

For me, it isn't so much the starter's type being what so many people have been speculating or wishing them to be that sets this off a little bit, but more so the lengthy list of Legendary Pokémon they would reveal just about a week since the games were announced.

It's hardly likely they'd reveal so many new Legendary Pokémon before revealing smaller things like the region bird and the common Normal-type found in early routes.

Besides, these starter types aren't out of the realm of possibility. Just because so many people wish for them to happen, doesn't mean it can't or won't. GameFreak, and Pokémon in general, has shown that it doesn't always listen to its fan base in terms of wants and needs. They just do what they do. Heh.

CynicalGiant January 16th, 2013 5:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Aerilyn (Post 7496278)
For me, it isn't so much the starter's type being what so many people have been speculating or wishing them to be that sets this off a little bit, but more so the lengthy list of Legendary Pokémon they would reveal just about a week since the games were announced.

It's hardly likely they'd reveal so many new Legendary Pokémon before revealing smaller things like the region bird and the common Normal-type found in early routes.

Besides, these starter types aren't out of the realm of possibility. Just because so many people wish for them to happen, doesn't mean it can't or won't. GameFreak, and Pokémon in general, has shown that it doesn't always listen to its fan base in terms of wants and needs. They just do what they do. Heh.

Lengthy list?

They would be revealing 4, Z and a trio, since we already know 2 of them (its just the japanese names of X and Y)

Ω Ruby and α Sapphire January 16th, 2013 5:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Aerilyn (Post 7496278)
Besides, these starter types aren't out of the realm of possibility. Just because so many people wish for them to happen, doesn't mean it can't or won't. GameFreak, and Pokémon in general, has shown that it doesn't always listen to its fan base in terms of wants and needs. They just do what they do. Heh.

Yes, even though we may not always get what we want *cough cough follow me feature*, there is usually a good reason, and it doesn't always mean we won't get it. I wouldn't be surprised if these are the types, along with Psychic now just being "not very effective". Although, the legendary names and ideas are off. I think this is plausible, but rubbish.

tente2 January 16th, 2013 5:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CynicalGiant (Post 7496287)
Lengthy list?

They would be revealing 4, Z and a trio, since we already know 2 of them (its just the japanese names of X and Y)

Maybe you disagree, but I think that four legendaries all at once is a lot...

Pryze January 16th, 2013 5:28 PM

Meh, I'm still not convinced Fennekin will be a Fire/Psychic, I mean, just because it's shown using Psychic, doesn't mean it'll be a Psychic-type. I won't be surprised if they just slap some boxing gloves on it and say it's a Fire/Fighting.

Xander Olivieri January 16th, 2013 5:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pryze (Post 7496299)
Meh, I'm still not convinced Fennekin will be a Fire/Psychic, I mean, just because it's shown using Psychic, doesn't mean it'll be a Psychic-type. I won't be surprised if they just slap some boxing gloves on it and say it's a Fire/Fighting.

Just putting it out there, Fennekin wasn't shown using "Psychic". We don't know what that attack was. It could have been Psywave, Confusion, or even non-Psychic Attacks as there are a good number that think that attack was Confuse Ray.

It may not have been a Pychic or Ghost attack at all since we don't know what any attack looks like in Pokemon X and Pokemon Y.

Flydro January 16th, 2013 6:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pryze (Post 7496299)
Meh, I'm still not convinced Fennekin will be a Fire/Psychic, I mean, just because it's shown using Psychic, doesn't mean it'll be a Psychic-type. I won't be surprised if they just slap some boxing gloves on it and say it's a Fire/Fighting.

I partly agree with you. I'm not even fully convinced that second attack Fennekin used was even a Psychic move, because to me it looked like it possibly could have been a Dark Pulse. I remember reading somewhere that Fennec foxes are nocturnal, so it could make sense. People seem to be forgetting that this is all still just speculation, and all we have to go on are screenshots of the announcement video. The popular theory appears to be predicting a Fire/Psychic type with unofficial hints suggesting this as well, along with that particular type combo already having been wanted by a lot of people for some time now (not counting Victini), naturally this would be the most popular choice. But we have to take the situation for what it is really...which is knowing that we know nothing. At least not yet anyway. Hopefully they release the evolutions soon or at least drop some official information regarding the starter types, that way we can eliminate any theories that may or may not be true. I mostly wanna see what their evolutions will look like though, because that will be what really makes my final decision.

Sydian January 16th, 2013 6:44 PM

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Just putting it out there, Fennekin wasn't shown using "Psychic". We don't know what that attack was. It could have been Psywave, Confusion, or even non-Psychic Attacks as there are a good number that think that attack was Confuse Ray.
That Psychic looking move clearly did damage to the Kirlia it was being used against, and if anyone has played a 3D model Pokemon game, they know that Pokemon don't use their "damaged" animation when hit with a status ailment like Confuse Ray. Not since the Stadium games, anyway. In Colosseum and XD, they didn't use that animation. Nor in PBR (ew) from what I noticed. Plus, Confuse Ray is usually a darker looking move than the one we saw.

idk, I just don't know how people think it was Confuse Ray. I'm pretty firm in that, whether this whole thing is true or not, Fennekin will end up being Fire/Psychic.

Xander Olivieri January 16th, 2013 6:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sydian (Post 7496412)
That Psychic looking move clearly did damage to the Kirlia it was being used against, and if anyone has played a 3D model Pokemon game, they know that Pokemon don't use their "damaged" animation when hit with a status ailment like Confuse Ray. Not since the Stadium games, anyway. In Colosseum and XD, they didn't use that animation. Nor in PBR (ew) from what I noticed. Plus, Confuse Ray is usually a darker looking move than the one we saw.

idk, I just don't know how people think it was Confuse Ray. I'm pretty firm in that, whether this whole thing is true or not, Fennekin will end up being Fire/Psychic.

Those two were also made by two different sets of companies, neither of which's models are being used. The Water attack Froakie used is either Water gun, since it appeared to lack force, or Hydropump. Its not one from any past 3D game, so Gamefreak most likely created all of them from scratch. If they did the animations soley by themselves, that could have been hypnosis for all we know. Its possible that the Pokemon will show damage taking hits to acknowledge that they were hit by an attack since these were all made by Gamefreak.

Deceit January 16th, 2013 7:07 PM

I guess I'm fine with these new starter types, but I'm not completely sure if this is true. If it is true, I can see Fennekin being psychic, as that is what the move it used looks like to me, and the typing is cool. But for the other 2, not really sure. I know from gen 5's evolution of Dewott to Samurott, that evolutions can sometimes be really unpredictable, but I still don't think Chespin will turn into something that is part Dark, it just doesn't feel right. Not only that, but I also find it weird that a starter will have a really bad weakness to a type, which is bug in this case. And the same for Froakie being Fighting in the end.

However if they do make all the starters have a second type, I can imagine it will be something like in Gen 4. In those games, the final evolutions were Empoleon(Water/Steel), Infernape(Fire/Fighting), and Torterra(Grass/Ground). I thought these typings were pretty nice, as this lets each starter have a chance against the other, as Torterra can use a Ground move against Infernape, Infernape can use a Fighting move against Empoleon, and Empoleon can use an Ice move against Torterra. I know the current speculated starters have secondary types that work like this, but I don't think the types really match, besides Fennekin.


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