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I kind of thought Ten was the one to make Strax a nurse. After that adventure with the foggy atmosphere, I think. But Strax might have come from somewhere else, I'm not sure it's even stated?
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That was my idea as well, but still, same Doctor. It turns out tho that Strax was based on a character from an unused series 5 script so I guess it would have been Eleven all along? But again, same man. Same man who now insults his intelligence at every opportunity, when he knows full well that most Sontarans are highly intelligent- though said intelligence is mostly militaristic, such things can be applied outside of battle and all require advanced critical thinking.
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Been a while since I posted here. Hi all :3
In reference to Strax, I think I have some idea as to why the Doctor is always insulting his intelligence. Sontarans are genetically engineered to be the perfect soldiers, and nothing else. So like Aquacorde said, even though he may be highly intelligent, he's still clueless when it comes to basic social interactions or basically most things that don't pertain to war. For example, he still can't tell human genders apart, and he thought River's hair was part of her head xD |
But the problem with those scripts is that... Sontarans have never been like that before. They've always had basic interactions down and they haven't ever been that ignorant. They're a military species and what do militaries do? They gather intelligence. They get to know their enemy. They may not respect their enemies, but it's not done to underestimate them. So they would know a lot about the people they interact with. It just doesn't make sense.
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Hm well what about what Eleven said during the Snowmen? "I don't think we got most of his brain back" or whatever.
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I pity Strax, sure, but I don't have much more to say about him.
I thought more about Ten's ending vs Eleven's btw. Eleven had lived for centuries, probably much longer than any incarnation of the Doctor before. He had saved the world, the universe, multiple times and met many people and accomplished much. He even got a kind of home, a place to be, on Trenzalore. His speech made a lot of sense. But Ten, he only got a couple of years, four or five max, right? It's really just the blink of an eye in comparison. He had reason to feel that he wasn't done yet. That he was more important than Wilfred and didn't want to go. It wasn't very vain at all, the Doctor had hardly started to fit into his Tenth incarnation. But at the same time, Ten had lived through so much sorrow with his companions, losing Rose and Donna and in a way Martha. He had seen so much in his few years, so maybe he did need to regenerate in order to finally let things go. That's why Eleven fits as the man who forgets. He meets completely new allies and has totally new adventures. While Ten kept the ones Nine had discovered, because as Nine he was still recovering from the time war and as Ten he took the form he needed to grow strong again, finally turning into the more carefree Eleven. I'm not sure I'll cope with Twelve being so old looking ;; gone be my Doctor/Clara ideas. Still shipping Rose with him forever though, so. 8) |
Yea, I legit felt sorry for 10. It really felt like his time was cut short, more so than 8, 9, or 11. I practically broke a tear when he said "I don't want to go". And he suffered so much loss for how short his regeneration cycle was. After how heartbreaking 10's story was, it was actually refreshing to see that 11 lived a really fulfilled and happy life, and even died of old age rather than a Dalek gunshot.
Also, I feel the same way about 12. I don't mind that he's old, so much as I'm sad that Doctor x Clara will never happen :( |
11/Clara was half-canon already, I mean O.o In a short, he said that Clara was "perfect for me in every way" or something like that, while she said "don't fall in love with him" and "sometimes I [do that] twice a day". So aaah they're turning him old just to avoid another Doctor/Rose relationship. I mean, the only way to make Rose stay away from him was to seal her off in a separate universe and eventually make a clone of the Doctor to give some closure for our bleeding, screaming hearts xD
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I actually love how the Doctor x Rose arc ended. The Metacrisis Doctor has all of their memories together, and they can actually settle down and grow old together. For me that was like, closure x10 ^^
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Yeah, I have to bitterly agree. I sat through S3 with too much Rosefeels to fully appreciate Martha, even though I did think she was pretty cool after a while, because the S2 ending was seriously the most heartbreaking thing I've watched on television. Including when Buffy dies in Buffy The Vampire Slayer lol. I seriously can't think of any other TV show episode that has made me cry that much, haha. I'm just really glad that they stuck Rose into S4 and did what they did. They should have included the deleted scene where Tentoo receives a coral from the TARDIS though~ Buuut, we have fanfiction to deal with couldhavebeens and shouldhavebeens. So it was honestly the best thing they could have done for Rose, given the nature of her relationship with the Doctor.
I'm curious - how did people feel about Doctor/River? Their story and their relationship. Was it love? Not starting a shipping war, I just wonder what others think about them before I spill my own thoughts :3 |
Hey guys, i guess most of the things that can be said about Rose/10 have been mentioned, so ill just say i agree with Sopheria and Doctor (:
As for River, i think her relationship with the Doctor is very interesting and maybe the most "special" out of all. The first time we get to see her is very confusing, even for the Doctor, which is something that doesnt happen too often. I love how they compare diaries whenever they meet, and everytime River pops up in an episode i catch myself cracking a smile. I honestly dont know if i woould call their relationship "love" though...they are really fond if each other, yes, and even get married, sure, but i dont know. I think i would rather call it very deep companionship. |
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Are there canon stories somewhere about the Doctor and River's adventures together after Angels take Manhattan, btw? I mean, they have to have traveled together in the same direction for some time after that, until the singing towers. Right? EDIT: btw this was legit me ._. Spoiler:
EDIT2: oh no I started browsing doctorwhofandom gifs and found this. gonna pretend it's not Billie and David but Rose and Doctor. /creepyfan1 http://25.media.tumblr.com/a1c16bfdb366b4496b31b07d5d16e4f3/tumblr_mws5ouLoPg1qgs4sno3_250.gif |
Wow Doctor you creep, haha!
The short "Rain Gods" was after Angels Take Manhatten. Gosh that was a great short. I love river, it didn't always feel amazing like Eleven/Clara did (atleast to me). But River is a great character and her relationship was fun. |
So I ran into a thing on tumblr that prompted me to actually look up an article... and apparently Matt Smith was surprised at the regeneration scene that was actually used? [x] Spoilers for Christmas Special ofc.
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I thought it was weird too. After all the epic build up he just snapped his head back and boom, 11->12. That was a little anti-climactic. But it was a good episode regardless. Still, now hearing that they did several different takes I wonder why they chose that one.
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The Doctor has ALWAYS been an older guy. Seriously. Ten and Eleven were the youngest ever, and they started this trend that the Doctor needs to have this sexual tension with his companions. NO! I actually hate that. The only one I could imagine was Rose, and that is PUSHING IT. I'm happy Eleven is gone and we're getting an older Doctor to help with Clara (who I still don't like.). This whole sexual tension and "OH LOOK NAKEDNESS" is annoying to older fans. I grew up watching Classic Who, I've seen every episode I could... Just... no. Sorry I get sort of annoyed by people who just jump into the show and are showing hate for a new Doctor because he isn't 'hot' or young or whatnot. So what? He's still the damn Doctor, doesn't matter what face he's using. All save for two of the actors that have played the Doctor have been over forty, Eleven being the youngest. Eleven in ruined who form me. (Yeah, shoot me) Look, I'm a Ten fan, but I'm also a fan of Classic Who. Eleven ruined Who for me because of all these new fans that show up and act like they know the show that's been running since before they were born. All of a sudden the Doctor's a sexual item and every companion needs to swoon over him or kiss him or see him naked at some point. (Which is why I love the scene with Ten and Donna because Donna WASN'T HAVING ANY OF IT) I didn't hate Matt Smith, but I hated what he added to Who, in that fangirl squee fanbase. Capaldi is a brilliant actor. I think he is the perfect choice for Twelve. Not only that, but he was DESERVING. He is a fan! First and foremost! Just like Tennant! He WANTS to be the Doctor, and he KNOWS THE CHARACTER. Smith had no idea about the show, and he didn't watch it. Having an older Doctor again is bringing the show back to its roots. |
I think that's a rather extreme viewpoint tbh. Like, I'm a Classic fan as well. And a lot of the things you pointed out are certainly an issue- I've discussed the sexism and over-sexualization the show's been going through. But that's not really Matt's fault. He was a very good actor and studied the role- his major influence was Patrick Troughton, and you can see that in his behaviour (especially in series 5 & 6a). I don't think you can say he was undeserving. He did very well, and became passionate about the show. Is that so different than someone becoming a dedicated fan through exposure to New Who on the internet? And remember that when you say "deserving", but mean "a big fan whose dream job would be that"- Moffat has been a Who fan for much of his life. Look what he's been doing.
Matt was a good Doctor, but severely let down by the writing during his run. No matter how adorable and bouncy he acts, no matter how many times he does an astonishing portrayal of an old man in a young man's body, his talent alone can not counteract the hideously written actions and stories he had to act out. And I would say not that Matt ruined Who, but that Moffat's decisions are taking it down a dark path. Honestly, I don't think you should be angry at the newer fans. It's not like Classic Who is shown much anymore, and not a lot of people are going to seek it out when they're still getting a show they like that's higher-budget than the original, easier to keep with, and has more fans. As much as I'd like to say that Classic and New are all just Doctor Who, there is that significant split. It's pretty much two shows. But really, don't be angry at them. They're not responsible for the quality of writing they are getting. It's not their fault that what they're being shown is contradictory to a lot of history. If they only watch New Who- which is a significant amount of TV show- they really can't be blamed for not having extensive knowledge of the canon. Maybe they don't have time to learn, or didn't find Classic Who interesting for whatever reason, but that's okay. What's not okay is that the programme we have is deviating so far from its own roots that it is guiding new viewers into undesirable interpretations. It's interesting that you have so much hate for Matt based on his fanbase- David's fans are much more prominent in their fangasming over his apparent perfection. I'm also going to point out that Peter is actually second-youngest in terms of debut age- the youngest four are Matt (27), Peter (29), David (34), and Paul (36). I agree that the Doctor should not be a sex symbol and the sexualization of the Doctor and other characters is a horrible trend imo. That's not to say casting an attractive actor is a bad thing, though- Jon Pertwee and Peter Davison were heartthrobs back in the day. But it should certainly not be the focal point or draw of the show. Unfortunately, Doctor Who is less of a family programme these days and more of teen-attracting drama. And teens are horny af and will naturally fixate on relative hotness. And with the advent of the internet, teens feel safe gushing and generally going overboard with their interests. Again, this is not a bad thing per se. But that's a racket those fans are making, and that does some to reinforce the idea that sexualizing Doctor Who is a good move to attract people to it. I'm very glad Capaldi has been chosen for the role. It's always nice when a fan is cast and a dream like that fulfilled. He's a great and proven actor and will do well no matter what bullschwa he has to perform. But the facts that he is experienced in writing as well as acting, is well-versed in Who lore, and is confident in himself and where he stands may lead to another thing entirely. It's already been reported that he's been arguing with Moffat over scripts and the Doctor's behaviour- this may lead to changes for the positive. I imagine his Doctor will take a backseat to the sexy shenanigans anyway and develop a more parental relationship with Clara, which should be much more heartwarming than another romantic plotline. |
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I feel like ten had more fan-girls as Aquacode stated. I haven't watched much of Classic Who, its good (kinda hard to get into when you didn't grow up with it), but I feel like Eleven was a better doctor than ten most times. I hate fan girls too, they ruin everything, but now its part of the internet and most shows are affected by it. |
I guess I probably count as a fangirl myself so I guess it's probably why, but fangirls have never really bothered me in Doctor Who at all. Not that I really consider myself "in the fandom" with it, but I find the really obnoxious people incredibly easy to ignore. And everyone else tends to be pretty level-headed, at least in the areas I do frequent. It's hard for me to see how they could "ruin everything". :(
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I'm also hoping he'll be too old for the producers/Moffat/whoever-makes-these-decisions to throw him in a love/crush relationship with Clara or any other companion. I'm ready for a different kind of Doctor/companion relationship. Donna was my favourite companion in the reboot series just because she was BFFs with the Doctor and they just had plain ol' fun without all the (sexual/romantic) tension. I want to see that again! Or even better, what you said with a parent/child, mentor/student kind of thing. ♥ |
I honestly didn't mind when it was Ten, because he always had this oblivious thing going on, which was cute. Except for Rose in the end, perhaps, but she was, like, the very first real romantic partner to him so that's even more okay. And they didn't even do anything aah. With Eleven though, it was a bit too much. River, I can understand, since she pretty much said "this is your future" and he couldn't really do much else but to do what she said to not ruin the timeline or stuffstuff. But overall think Eleven went too far, somehow. I haven't completely developed this thought yet so sorry if I seem incoherent xD
In other news, my fanfic is coming along well, I think. 83 |
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Again, I don't think hating fangirls is good for anyone. Technically, any girl who is also a fan of something is a fangirl. But the image you have in your mind is of the loud ones, the ones that express their adoration for the Doctor and moon over his smexiness et al. Honestly, that's not a big deal. Ignore them if you don't like it. Rationally discuss why you dislike their actions or disagree with their opinions if you have to interact. But the thing is, they're enjoying the show. They may enjoy it in a different way or for different reasons, but is that a real reason to hate? Beyond even that, who says squee-ing over actors, enjoying romantic plotlines, and enjoying well-written adventures are all mutually exclusive? They're very much not. Here's a really good essay on the general derision of teenage girls. ctrl++ the page a few times because tumblr people don't believe in clarity and it's worth a read. Here's another thing that's a little less in-depth but more focused on fangirls. And one more that's a little more on the fanfic analysis side. I'd really like y'all to take a look through those instead of just blindly hating on your stereotyped image of fangirls. :) Quote:
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As someone who is pretty new to doctor who and has only seen the reboot, i am very excited to see Capaldi as the new Doctor. I loved 9-11, but i think having an older and "more mature" Doctor is a great change to what im used to. Someone mentioned the possibility of a "father-daughter" relationship between him and Clara, which is something i would love to see too!!
Tbh one of the companions i liked the most was Donna, because she had no real love interest in the doctor, so im hoping this will be the case as well for some of the future companions |
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Am I the only one who actually thought Melody Pond was going to turn out to be the Doctor's and Amy's daughter in the build up of A Good Man Goes To War? xD They really made it sound like that, with the Doctor saying "It's mine" and the baby turning out to be part-Time Lord and Amy speaking about Melody's father like "he's the last of his kind" and all, haha. |
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