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Gym Types/Puzzles/Appearance Speculation
Thought this was different enough from Player-owned Gyms and the More than Eight Gyms thread, but if not feel free to merge them ^_^
As with every game, we get a new set of Gym Leaders, as well as a new type order to go along with them. We also see some inventive puzzles that go hand-in-hand with the type that the gym holds, which is another give-away for the type of gym it is (If the assistant telling you, the sign outside of the gym, and the Pokémon used by the trainers inside weren't enough of a give away!). In addition, the environment inside the gym is generally unique to the typing of the leader inside. Is there any particular gym type you would like to see this generation? Are there any puzzles you could possibly think of that would go with a particular type of gym? Are there any aesthetics that you would love to see incorporated? The one thing I definitely want to see is a Dark-typed gym. It is the one type that hasn't been used for a Gym Leader, and I think it would be a welcome addition. I would expect it to be a very dark and shadowy interior, maybe with thunder and lightning rigged up to be showing up somehow inside. As far as puzzles go, I honestly don't really have a clue what could happen, but I'm sure Game Freak could come up with something! |
Well so far we have a bug, psychic, and grass type gym, if the trailer is any indication. Outside of those I would like dark, rock, poison, fighting, and ground to be the other gyms, and I'm cool. The type weakness and strengths are pretty balanced, and the starters won't have too much trouble against them. Not to mention the type list would be pretty out there compared to the norm.
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I would agree that we need a Dark type gym considering that we have never had one with the inside obviously being well dark. As for the puzzles, I think that they are getting more and more creative so I am sure that they will be good.
Also I would like the first Gym not to be Rock type considering it has been 50% of the time. |
Gyms - The Strongest in the Land
This is something I've been thinking about for a while, and if this is better in General, then so be it. However, I want to bring up the idea as it pertains to this game specifically.
In all main-series Pokémon games, you are able to go to a Gym very early in the game and defeat that leader, obtaining your first Gym badge. You are always forced to defeat the next Gym in order to proceed in the story. By the time you can even access Victory Road legitimately (i.e. without cheating), the Badge Check Gates are a useless entry, as only the final gate - or sometimes none at all - will possibly deny you access. Only in Kanto do they really play a role as you can be barred entry in the first gate if you trek west from Viridian City with your Lv.8 Pokémon. So here's my question. Should Gamefreak design a game where you do all the wandering around, but the Gyms are meant to be tackled more towards the end of the storyline? For instance, you get to the point where you have three more cities to visit, but now someone tells you to go back to the city with the first Gym and take on that leader before you can proceed; this leader has always had Lv.35 Pokémon, but you first trekked by at Lv.10. Could this backtracking idea be feasible, and why or why not? What if the weakest Gym was the fifth one you came across, and there was storyline around why he's a weak Gym Leader? Meanwhile, Victory Road is nearby early in the journey, and gives you visibility of your final goal. Maybe even multiple entrances requiring different badges, meaning one can visit early. Discuss as it pertains to X/Y. :) Cyclone |
Since it's about the gyms, I merged your thread here, Cyclone.
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As far as Gyms are concerned, I wouldn't mind seeing X and Y take puzzles to whole new level, perhaps using the gyroscope, the touchscreen, StreetPass, or even augmented reality because that's something we haven't really had before. (e.g. repairing a computer using the touch screen in an Electric Gym) Something else I would like to see is perhaps the Gyms becoming a bit more flexible, as in 1st Gym you don't have to beat right away, you can make it the last Gym you come to, and the leader's team will change depending on how many you've beaten. We've only ever seen something like that back in 1st Gen, and I think it should really be expanded upon.
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I could definitely see using the Gyroscrope for puzzles in the gyms though. Maybe have to move something into the proper place using the gyroscope, and then one it was placed it could let a gate up or something? I could see this working in a Rock gym, rolling boulders around. |
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Speaking of which, I'd love to see another Double Battle gym like that of Tate and Liza from Hoenn. I guess it was mostly there as the Double Battle mechanic was new in those games, but I thought it was a more interesting battle to partake in. Maybe now having a rotation/triple/double battle as a Gym. I'd definitely enjoy that! |
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Also I'd just love to see a leader with AI that's smarter than normal. Spamming not very effective moves against a Pokémon that hasn't switched in three turns definitely makes sense. I know they did this in HGSS when it came to the Elite Four rematches, so it's definitely possible. I mean, if they're a Gym Leader they can't be THAT dumb. |
Ah, the AI and difficulty of the Gym leaders... lemme make some points about that:
I want to be more challenging gym leaders with specific strategies. I really hope they'd take consideration on how easy the current gym battles are, and seriously re-work them to incorporated strategies that not only work with the TMs they issue, but with moves such as... Trick Room or the weather moves. Take Candice from Gen 4. She has an Ice team, with her TM being Avalanche. But at the same time, she also has somewhat of a Hail Team (maybe from the fact that Snover and Abomoasnow was available with Snow Warning but besides that point). She also has a Froslass with her Snow Clock ability. In which under hail, even if you had a team full of Fire pokemon, it'd be still quite a challenge to defeat Froslass, unless you were lucky enough. Besides that, with hail, she was able to spam Blizzard constantly, with a full 100% accuracy rate. Case in point, I'd like more gym leaders who can utilize other strategies, like field-based moves, or something of the sort. And another thing, I want there to be more harder gym trainers, and a longer gym feel. I dunno, with gyms, I feel like at the end, I feel like Gym Leaders are 'bosses'. And, I want there to be more satisfaction of beating these 'bosses' than just collecting badges and grabbing those TMs. To be honest, and in my opinion, there should be a point where you'll feel that you've really, really, had to actually work for it. That would be actually be more satisfying earning a badge. As a side point, the music has to be epic too. I mean, battles aren't really the same without the proper music, y'know? ..Something extra also came to mind. I really hope that this room: http://nintendoenthusiast.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Pokemon-X-Y-3DS-Fire-Room.jpg Becomes a gym. That would be very impressive, imo. Maybe this room is a gym too: http://i48.*.com/2zgvhb5.jpg There are Gym signs there. It.. kind of reminds me of Unova's, but, they're probably just the offical gym signs for every where now. |
That throne room looks a lot like it might be an E4 place of all things, and yeah that bottom one is likely a Psychic gym.
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Looks to be either Psychic or Poison just based on the signs being purple, though I'd also go with Psychic based on the platforms and everything kind of having a supernatural effect to it.
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Maybe the Puzzles could entail us actually interacting with the touchscreen in order to progress through the gym, possibly something like drawing a suitable pathway around obstacles to reach the gym leader.
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That'd be a cool concept for a Psychic or Electric gym maybe? Using electricity/psychic power to manipulate the platforms around the gym to create the path?
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Gym Leader Speculation
I have thought of a few names off the top of my head for names of gym leaders and their types:
Zapphire: Electric type Hepburn: Fire type Gail: Flying Type Flora: Grass type |
In the video released, there's a statue with Golurk, Palpitoad, a trainer, and what might be an Eevee. My guess is, that might be the entrance to an Earth-based gym? Guessing by Golurk having evolved and Palpitoad still being Palpitoad, I'd guess about the 5th or 6th gym.
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Merging this with the other thread about Gym Leaders.
All I ask for is a Dark-type Gym Leader, and preferably for it to be one of the later gyms in the games. |
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How about Steel or electric? Electric has only one weakness which will make it difficult, especially if they give the gym leader's pokemon water moves.
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I'm not sold on Rock not being challenging, it's probably one of the better types offensively but I guess it does have the drawback of having 2 starter types weak to it and being a poor defense type in general and defense is usually more important than offense when it comes to gym leaders since you're usually going to be having higher levels [one reason why Dragon is such a potent challenge in E4/Gyms, it's great offensively and defensively. In all honesty though it really depends on the Pokemon, Normal is probably the worst type by far but Whitney and Lenora have 2 of the most challenging gyms since Miltank and Watchog just wreck shop.
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I think Twilight mixed up the water gym in gen 1 with gen 2 xD
A early water gym would be good, however I'll like it if Water would take a break for the next two gens (not counting possible remakes to 3 and 4). Another ground gym however would be awesome, I love that time. |
No rock gyms unless they're creative, I really hate the same old miner theme. Maybe a Fire gym? We haven't seen a real one since HGSS. And dark type yes yes. I would love it.
I also want a gym, probs Electric or Steel, to have a steampunk theme. JUST SO MUCH WIN TO BE HAD THERE GF. |
Well actually the Rock gyms have had slightly different themes, Gen 1st being fossils, Gen III's being a school (well the gym leader's a teacher, the gym isn't really school like) in a hometown of the champion (Rs) who likes stones, Gen IV's being a miner.
I'll like a Fire Gym too, however hopefully it won't be close to a volcano like the other two fire gyms as it'll seem less original. |
I wouldn't mind another volcano-based fire gym. Unless I guess it was a mix of two gyms, fire/water, and found in a forest, with trees on fire around you?? Damn that'd be an awesome gym ahaha.
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I feel like the problem with Rock gyms is that they have always been first, where most of the time your starter can just clean house. It would be cool to have a later Rock Gym where there's actually dual types available other than Rock/Ground so it would be able to actually do something to a wider variety of types and actually have some resistances.
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Well u said...
Take an example of gen 1 brock's geodude vs player's bulbasaur obviously bulbasaur will win cuz b4 15 lvl, it learns vinewhip. Now, 8th gym of rock brock's golem vs players venusaur who is gotta win, venusaur, cuz at lvl 45, it learns razor leaf and it will ohko it. Don't think that if golem is gonna get powerful, so is go nna venusaur. Basically, what i m trying to tell is whatever position the ground/rock is in, it is weak. |
That actually gives me an idea... why not combine rock/ground into just one gym at a later point? :3
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Actually, i got a better idea..
How about gyms be dual types? |
That's the point I was trying to make with Rock having dual-types. It doesn't have to be a dual-typed gym (although I do agree that's a cool idea in and of itself), but there are Pokémon who have dual-typing that giving it some resistances to the starters (Rock/Steel and Rock/Flying for Grass, Rock/Water for Water).
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We only got 2 Steel gyms so far one being in Gen 2 and the other in Gen 4.
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@yamiidenryuu - dude i am talking about generation 1.. r/b/y. So where aggron will come frm?
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He's making the point that if the Rock gym were later in the games (and specifically the new ones where these Pokémon exist), than there would be Rock dual-types that would be able to handle the starter's types more effectively. Of course, at that point you'll have a bigger team as well to handle it, but that can be said for any type of Gym that is later in the games.
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But yeah that's what I'm saying. |
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Most probably it will be no 6 gym once again.
Gen 2 jasmine - 6th gym Gen 4 byron - 6th gym |
Steel would need to be earlier or be the last I think.
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I want that third steel gym, hopefully this generation will introduce some more good steel types and bring back some old ones to make it difficult. I imagine it'll be 6th again just like how Ice has been 7th three times in a row...
How about a flying gym? wait flying's been sixth too besides in gen II...speaking of first gyms I'm hoping that the first gym is dragon, imagine how hard that'll be to defeat xD. |
i would like to see a gym thats not based on single type, like green/blue's gym
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I would love a Gym like that as well, maybe as the 8th Gym?
Would be more of a challenge than just fighting one type. |
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Definitely possible! Although the image is definitely small, that looks like a crystalline structure similar to ice, so it could definitely hint at it. Plus, it's in the snowy part of Karos, so that would also make sense for us having another Ice gym akin to Snowpoint City in Sinnoh!
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in the new trailer in miare city(forgot the english name...) there is a a statue of roselia with a gym symbol. so probably there gonna be a grass or poison type gym
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If that's the case then we'd probably be given a Grass Gym, perhaps also confirming that the Budew line is also back into the games (which I would personally love). Roselia is more associated with Grass than Poison in my opinion, so makes sense!
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I think it may be grass because as Jake says Roselia is more connected to Grass than Poison. I wonder if the inside will be that place that we saw in first trailer with the vines.
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http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/8205/screenshot8cz.png
Well it's definitely a Gym, and I think grass because of the leaf extending from the symbol. |
Copypasta coming through!
After the gym leaders all teamed up to help you in the previous game, I'd love to see more of the manga style, with the gym leaders all being evil and with a Dark gym leader already! Maybe a dual type of Fairy-Light/Dark gym. I would love dual typing gyms being everywhere... If they did dual type gyms, however, I think the 8*2=16 would leave 1-2 types out unless there are more new types. If they did this I bet that the types left out would be Fairy-Light and Dark type meaning that Dark-type would be left by the evil team and Fairy-Light would be the Elite Four Champion's type. |
A dark typed Gym is long overdue, i don't see why it should be E4 exclusive
Dual typed Gyms are an awesome idea, which would make things more challenging as well. |
I think gym leader should hav single type pkmns but more difficult, like drizzle + swift swim... What would i like is that there should be 3 on 3 battle in which we have to choose any 3 pkmn fr battling. Nt like we have 6 pkmns and they have just 2.. That would be unfair
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You know what, I'd be surprised if they did include a Dark type gym.
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3 on 3 battling for the win - it makes it way more difficult and tactical.
I don't know about having the choice of which gym to face though. Generally we're required to get a gym badge to be able to use a HM that's necessary to progress. If you can fight in whatever order or (as suggested way back) explore the entire region then go back and fight gym leaders it seems moot. You may as well remove the concept of gym leaders altogether then... Though it always bugged me that the first gym leaders were always ridiculously weak, but I don't know how to counter that. |
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I'd like the option to choose what battle style to use against Gym Leaders out of Single, Double or Triple. I think having all one on one can become a little tedious, at least with Double and Triple more tactical planning is needed, more so for Triple battles and it would make Gym Battles a little extra challenging and rewarding.
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Well only Politoad and Kyogre have Drizzle so it'll have to be a Politoad (I don't want them to give it to anyone else either). Also the strategy will be easy to break if one has a Pokémon that can set up sun to disrupt Drizzle...preferably a grass type so it can hopefully survive, so it can be done.
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I hope more of the Gyms use this type of theme for their music.
I really liked how they introduced vocals into the themes for Roxie and Elesa's gyms and the different instruments too. |
I want the questionaire frm cinnabar to rtrn.
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I loved how each of the gyms had their own unique take on the gym theme.
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I just hope the first gym will be a bit more difficult and not a waste of a good type with a battle that take less than 3min to do.
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The challenge mode should come back then.
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I hope they make use of the Gyroscope feature for one of the gyms, maybe tilting through a maze to reach the Gym Leader would make it a little more of a challenge.
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