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Sheep May 4th, 2013 5:08 PM

Use this thread to ask questions, share comments, and of course provide suggestions for improving the Encyclopedia!

Sydian May 4th, 2013 5:17 PM

So far, I think it's going rather well. At first, I wasn't too sure about this thing, but now that I'm seeing it in action, I think it's going smoothly. My only concern is that when this is mainstreamed into the rest of the forum for all members, people will be making threads and I'm afraid they'll get pushed down and some will get missed. :(

Also, will there be a requirement before making one? Something like "must be active for three months with 100 posts" or something, since new members should be using the Welcome Lounge. I don't want this to take away from that forum. So yeah, that's all I got for now. :)

Honest May 4th, 2013 5:32 PM

I still think we should have a cap to the number of currently active threads. And then after ___ amount of time, all active threads would be locked and the next wave of threads could be made. Would give equal treatment to peoples' threads at the expense of a first come first serve system.

Sydian May 4th, 2013 5:35 PM

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I still think we should have a cap to the number of currently active threads. And then after ___ amount of time, all active threads would be locked and the next wave of threads could be made. Would give equal treatment to peoples' threads at the expense of a first come first serve system.
I don't really like that...but can't think of an alternative. Waaah!!

Honest May 4th, 2013 6:25 PM

Same issue here Syd. =( I can't think of anything good either. The waitlist idea would give people a good idea as to when their thread would be approved though.

droomph May 4th, 2013 6:28 PM

What about the stickied threads idea?

So basically take everything you said, but replace "lock" with "unsticky".

Honest May 4th, 2013 6:32 PM

Oh, that could work! But it sounds like we might have a lot of stickied threads at once. If that doesn't matter, then I'd be all for it. Sounds like it could definitely work as an alternate.

bobandbill May 4th, 2013 6:34 PM

I think there would be a need to have a limit to threads running at a time, too.

Not too sure how much 'better' or difference stickying to locking makes, sounds a bit messy to me.

droomph May 4th, 2013 6:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bloodex (Post 7649792)
Oh, that could work! But it sounds like we might have a lot of stickied threads at once. If that doesn't matter, then I'd be all for it. Sounds like it could definitely work as an alternate.

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Originally Posted by bobandbill (Post 7649795)
I think there would be a need to have a limit to threads running at a time, too.

Not too sure how much 'better' or difference stickying to locking makes, sounds a bit messy to me.

Orrrr maybe a prefix would work too. That way it's a lot easier to focus just on the up-and-coming threads rather than sort through them all, while fixing the too many stickies problem.

Taemin May 4th, 2013 6:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sydian (Post 7649712)
My only concern is that when this is mainstreamed into the rest of the forum for all members, people will be making threads and I'm afraid they'll get pushed down and some will get missed. :(

P much that.

I was already noticing that some of the threads in there get less attention, and there's no way to avoid that really. I'll tend to feel bad for the people who's thread get overlooked, and I imagine that would be a letdown for the person who made it too. This is a good idea, however, and it's not like it can please every single member.

Liking the idea that Bloodex mentioned too.

Maybe older threads can be locked, or threads that have 2348092 replies can be closed to allow the newer ones to get more attention? That ties in with there being a time limit, in a way.

droomph May 4th, 2013 6:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew (Post 7649801)
P much that.

I was already noticing that some of the threads in there get less attention, and there's no way to avoid that really. I'll tend to feel bad for the people who's thread get overlooked, and I imagine that would be a letdown for the person who made it too. This is a good idea, however, and it's not like it can please every single member.

Liking the idea that Bloodex mentioned too.

Maybe older threads can be locked, or threads that have 2348092 replies can be closed to allow the newer ones to get more attention? That ties in with there being a time limit, in a way.

I dunno but maybe bringing more attention rather than forcing more attention would work better.

Taemin May 4th, 2013 6:52 PM

I dunno if it would really be forcing it, but aside from locking old threads, how else would newer intros get more attention? It's hard to tell people "You just have to make it more amusing". xD;

droomph May 4th, 2013 6:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew (Post 7649819)
I dunno if it would really be forcing it, but aside from locking old threads, how else would newer intros get more attention? It's hard to tell people "You just have to make it more amusing". xD;

Well, if you sticky or prefix it, it'll be more noticed, and if people just don't want to ask you questions after all that, I guess try again?

Idk really. This isn't a job to ask questions, so might as well give more emphasis on new people, while at the same time letting the popular ones have their fun.

bobandbill May 4th, 2013 6:59 PM

I don't think prefixes alone would necessarily do it. It won't incline everyone to stop paying attention to an other thread compared to it just being closed. I also don't see how closed threads wouldn't be easy to stop focusing on or whatnot to begin with...


I'm still for a waiting list being used, tbh. People sign up to make a thread in that, first x people have their period for their threads, and then it's the next set, etc etc.

droomph May 4th, 2013 7:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bobandbill (Post 7649826)
I don't think prefixes alone would necessarily do it. It won't incline everyone to stop paying attention to an other thread compared to it just being closed. I also don't see how closed threads wouldn't be easy to stop focusing on or whatnot to begin with...


I'm still for a waiting list being used, tbh. People sign up to make a thread in that, first x people have their period for their threads, and then it's the next set, etc etc.

Well, I kinda was thinking just to make the opportunities even. It's technically discrimination if we force the popular ones down. But since I also like having many new guys being paid attention to, we should put just a lot more emphasis on them rather than outright only letting the new ones go around.

Sydian May 4th, 2013 7:22 PM

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Well, I kinda was thinking just to make the opportunities even. It's technically discrimination if we force the popular ones down. But since I also like having many new guys being paid attention to, we should put just a lot more emphasis on them rather than outright only letting the new ones go around.
Also want to add that new people will want to learn about others, and it would suck if that person's thread was already locked.

In regards to new users though, I think they should be using the Welcome Lounge and when they've reached a certain amount of activity (3 months? 5?) and number of posts (100?) then they can make on in MIC.

Aquacorde May 4th, 2013 8:11 PM

I support having a post count/time active requirement. 100 posts seems a bit low to me though? I would say 300 posts/four months. At that point someone would probably have a good feel for the forum and be known by a decent amount of people, right?

Her May 4th, 2013 8:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bobandbill (Post 7649826)
I'm still for a waiting list being used, tbh. People sign up to make a thread in that, first x people have their period for their threads, and then it's the next set, etc etc.

That sounds fine and all, but the problem I see with that is timezones. I mean, it's all fine and dandy for the Americans or Europeans, but for those in the Southern Hemisphere it's going to be hard to get a place if it's first come, first serve.

Nick May 4th, 2013 9:06 PM

I'd rather let threads naturally run their course than cut their lives short to move others in for their place. That doesn't feel very organic, and that's what I really would like this forum to feel like. At the same time, we can't have hundreds of threads being posted if this becomes public.

I would rather not restrict thread making here to people, but I would be okay with restricting it to a requirement of being here for at least a month. At least by then a new member would have integrated into the community enough to not be considered a new slice of cheese, have had planted some roots in a forum, and have met and talked to a handful of people.

Nick May 4th, 2013 9:15 PM

Donating doesn't make you any less new than not donating...

Spherical Ice May 4th, 2013 11:18 PM

Some threads are already getting ignored, or at least significantly less attention than others - once this gets opened to the public, that will only increase. Don't you think it would affect some member's self-esteem (see: justinrpg) if no-one responds to their thread? And if people who aren't really interested go and ask questions, it would get superficial really quick and then it would seem dishonest. Just my opinions, it is fun reading these threads but I'm not sure how practical it will be in the long run D:

Treecko May 4th, 2013 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Spherical Ice (Post 7649990)
Some threads are already getting ignored, or at least significantly less attention than others - once this gets opened to the public, that will only increase. Don't you think it would affect some member's self-esteem (see: justinrpg) if no-one responds to their thread? And if people who aren't really interested go and ask questions, it would get superficial really quick and then it would seem dishonest. Just my opinions, it is fun reading these threads but I'm not sure how practical it will be in the long run D:

Yeah that could be an issue so I'm just wondering how do you prevent that ? You can't just disapprove of a thread if you know the person will get angry if they're ignored, or can you banned them from creating a thread cause they're or close their thread cause of them complaining too much could you? So how would the moderator handle a situation like that?

I still think this is a neat idea and if we can find the best way to handle it and it does become a forum, then I'd be happy.

I think myself the "member for a month" or number of posts in a x number of months would work best to prevent the new members for making thread that would just go inactive. Once they've been here for a certain amount of time posting often, they will gain some notoriety around here and have a decent amount of friend who'd ask them questions. I think if a user isn't too known and at least seen a few times, their thread will likely go dead.

Two other questions would a lack of info be something that might cause a thread to be not approved of? What qualities would a thread require in order to be approved of?

Her May 5th, 2013 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Spherical Ice (Post 7649990)
Some threads are already getting ignored, or at least significantly less attention than others - once this gets opened to the public, that will only increase. Don't you think it would affect some member's self-esteem (see: justinrpg) if no-one responds to their thread? And if people who aren't really interested go and ask questions, it would get superficial really quick and then it would seem dishonest. Just my opinions, it is fun reading these threads but I'm not sure how practical it will be in the long run D:

I suppose I'll have to be that guy and say it: maybe, instead on focusing so much on how other people are going to interact with the 'unknown' person, maybe we should focus on the unknown person himself. I can't help but think that we're putting too much focus on what other people are doing. In order to become 'popular', the member has to throw himself out there, correct? Engage the community, talk to people, etc. Be someone that stands out amongst the crowd. I'm not saying the member has to emulate freaking BeachBoy or Razor Leaf, but if the person cares so much about the amount of people who reply to his thread, maybe he should become someone that the community wants to know about.

Maybe he should become interesting.

Spherical Ice May 5th, 2013 4:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Harlequin (Post 7650034)
I suppose I'll have to be that guy and say it: maybe, instead on focusing so much on how other people are going to interact with the 'unknown' person, maybe we should focus on the unknown person himself. I can't help but think that we're putting too much focus on what other people are doing. In order to become 'popular', the member has to throw himself out there, correct? Engage the community, talk to people, etc. Be someone that stands out amongst the crowd. I'm not saying the member has to emulate freaking BeachBoy or Razor Leaf, but if the person cares so much about the amount of people who reply to his thread, maybe he should become someone that the community wants to know about.

Maybe he should become interesting.

Okay no yeah I agree with you, you're completely right, I didn't even think of that.

edit: sorry if my post sounded ingenuine! I really mean it, that's a great reason!

Honest May 5th, 2013 7:27 AM

I don't think dishonest questions are really a big deal, tbqh. As long as the question is about the person in some way or form, it should be a fair question. Don't ask stupid questions like "Whats the weather like in your place" or stuff like that though, obviously.

As for ignored threads, I don't know if people would actually be self centered enough to actually point out to others their thread got more responses. Wouldn't be surprised if that did happen, though. I still feel like putting a cap would be a better idea, but if that can't be the case, than I guess we could try something else. If we're going to make this go organically, then perhaps we could stimulate activity with an emblem or something?

Edit: Forgot to specify. The emblem would be for the member who manages to ask the most interesting questions around the entire MIC. Or something like that.


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