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A New Land, the Kalos Region
Thanks to the latest issue of CoroCoro, we've finally gotten our very first look at the region map. Does anyone out there still not believe this region will be based off of France?
http://24.media.tumblr.com/614ddf3efac8ff938d5dff904b49a6dd/tumblr_mmsffrktoh1r1yhdwo1_500.jpg But looking at it, the whole region looks very GREEEEEEN with lots of small chains of mountains spread around. This is very different from Unova, which is much more modern and industrial. Also, it's a much larger region based on the map above. What do you think of it so far? What new types of terrains and locations will you like to see in this new region? Do you like the idea of there being a lot of mountains and forests or jungles? Also, the main city of the region is called Lumiose City and it's where the tall tower that resembles the Eiffel Tower is located. From what we've seen of Lumiose from previous news and videos, not even that city looks overly modern like Castelia City. What do you think? For right now, I love how large the Kalos region looks. It definitely seems like it'll be a fun region to explore. However, I'm probably going to hate having to go through a bunch of caves and mountains by the look of it. PS. If you're looking to discuss the name of the region or speculate on what the English name will be (if any), then you can discuss that over here. |
100% France, even the mountain ranges line up :D Miare City even seems close to where Paris is located, heh. I'm interested to see how Miare looks, I personally did not like Castelia at all. Too grossly urban imo, who likes dingy alleyways? |
I too hope it'll be more like Hoenn and Sinnoh in terms of nature and rural rather than urban like Johto and Unova.
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I'm so excited about this new region!
I love how it has sooo much Green in it. France is a great inspiration, since it has mountains and very nice beaches as well! |
What I wish for is that the region has:
-A boulevard with cafes & an open market like the one in Slateport -The ability to go up the Eiffel Tower (or whatever that thing was in the trailer) -Protagonists & NPCs actually talking (i.e. speech is audible) Who agrees? |
At least it's not full of water routes and deserts! It's nice to have a land full of... mountains and greenery.
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I like it. it looks very pristine, full of nature, and well, that European charm
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i trying to find the starting town, but in this region there are alot of small town that can fit |
Miare City will also be known as Lumiose City in the English copies.
If you click on the same image of the detailed map on Serebii, it will give you a much larger image so you can take a closer look too. |
Judging by the enlarged map, I'm putting my guess as to the location of the starting point on the far right of the map, the four little blue houses with the purple thing.
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STONEHENGE!!! If you look on the map to the far left of the region, you'll notice a group of large rocks the oddly resembles the Stonehenge monument in England.
Good evidence that parts of this region will have other influences from Europe and not just France. |
tbh Stonehenge looks like the only thing on there that doesn't conform to at least one aspect of France, though that might just be my French pride seeing too far into things.
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If anyone says this isn't primarily based off of France/Europe you are crazy. As Shivi did just point out it looks like we have Stonehenge, so we're taking some nods from Great Britain as well. I mean, the scattered mountains around the southern part of the region, plus the snowy area to the northwest just screams France/Europe to me.
As for general opinion of the region, I'm really loving it. The one thing I'm noticing that is different from Unova (and I'm happy about!) is that the region doesn't appear to just be a giant circle of towns around a central area. Yes, we have that big circular thing in the center, but the populated areas look much more varied around the map, and that's a great change. It feels like we'll be able to explore a lot more this time! I'm really enjoying all the water ways around the region as well. It looks like they are literally everywhere. It'd be awesome to maybe have some sort of ferry system or something for fast travel around everywhere, although it doesn't look like there are ports anywhere on the rivers as well. Who knows, I just like how it looks anyways! |
Looks Beautiful !
Also, there alot of Small Mountain ranges Throughout the Region. This probably means there'll be alot of caves. Zubat Alert ! |
The region seems mostly french except for the stonehenge in what in real life is normandy, fun fact the british had a king who was from normandy. So I guess it makes sense to put the mostly british thing there. Wonder if spain or germany will have anything to add...
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this region seems to be full of water paths, it is s nice change, but water routes are annoying.
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This place definitely looks very diverse, you have have mountains, greens, forests, snowy plains, lava, coasts, etc
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I wonder if in this region we may ride on a boat in the water ways... |
I'm glad it's so diverse. It makes the region much more interesting to travel, instead of seeing grass route after grass route, then a cave, then more grass. Having the mountains, rivers, snowy area, and volcano at the top will definitely make Kalos a lot of fun to traverse throughout the games.
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I'm wondering if everyone played the same Gen 3 games. Hoenn was Half water half grassland with a little topping of sand and mountain. Hoenn was not that diverse at all. It followed Kanto fairly well. First City into a second city, Third city After a forest, Third City near a small mountain range. Fourth City near the ocean (Cerulean was near a cape that overlooked the ocean and Dewford was a small island), Fourth City was a port. For more than half of Hoenn you are on grass routes with a few caves. Something that is in every game. Only thing that set Hoenn off from the others was the Volcano and Ash field which hasn't really been used since Gen 3. Other than that which doesn't add more diversity than the others, Hoenn was no more diverse than Sinnoh or Johto or Unova. There were plenty of non-modern places all over Unova. The games get more diverse as the generations trot on. Sinnoh was a large mixture of water, Grass, Mountian, topped with a little bit of Snow on the top. Kalos IS the most diverse, more diverse than any region before. Its going to have very similar quirks to older regions as is tradition, but it has the most Biomes that I can see on the map. I do wonder why Kalos Region is star shaped though. Looks as if its going to force us through one main path just like Unova did. |
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Definitely agree with you on the starting town and the Pokémon League locations, and the place you circled as an evil hideout could be possible. It sort of reminds me of the Cipher Desert Hideout from Colosseum and Gale of Darkness. It'd definitely be cool to have an entire location dedicated to the hideout instead of just having it in an existing city like the games tend to do.
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Oh, look where the tower appears. Isn't that where Paris is located on the real world map? Hmm...
Could that be Miare City, perchance? Where do you all think the game will start? Cyclone |
This region looks like no other, it looks like a nice little central region which will be interesting to explore!
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I don't think that's Stonehenge. France has many stones like that called menhirs. Of course, Stonehenge also consist of menhirs, but there happens to be remains of the largest known menhir in a place that's almost in the same spot as the supposed Stonehenge: Locmariaquer.
At least, I think the place with the stones is supposed to be Brittany, with the smaller penisula (the one with the river) being Normandy. There appears to be a city in the ocean between the two, in the Pokémon version, which seems to reference Mont Saint-Michel. |
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I said like many maps as in the cartoony maps of regions past it's missing routes xD. So yeah it'll likely add in a lot of routes. I actually see the routes being curved and intersecting oddly as in france and the rest of europe a lot of old roads weren't made using rhe grid system like in the US so the curved routes would make sense.
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I was hoping for some more islands. :(
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Maybe post game we'll go to islands based on france's oversea islands? They could be a mini region.
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I really like the more arty style of the map. It seems more bright and vibrant than other region maps.
Also from looking at the layout it doesn't look like the routes will be in a boring shape, they might be all over the place again like before Unova. |
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I like how it's all contained locally, the towns looks scattered over a smallish area but it looks fun.
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First region that says its name roots out loud hm?
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The region really looks like France with a bit of Germany, and the locations look very diverse. Just by the map alone, I'm thinking this may be my favorite region thus far.
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I think it is very possible for Kalos and Unova to be linked by the way it looks. I don't know 100% though. It is probably far away by itself like Unova, but one can hope.
I would like to point out that this probably is not what the in game map will look like, they always make a 3D like map, but in game it is almost always 2D. |
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I love the new region!!!! I was hoping for some more islands too :( Anyway, it is amazing!! Cant wait! :)
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Ah, didn't know the routes had been reset again. Yes I agree fully now that it is alone.
On the other hand, I am loving the snow area in the top right corner. I guess we will not have seasons this game. Also, my guess is that the first town where we start is the small town in the bottom left. It is kinda cut off form the rest of the region. |
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Looks like we have some fancy garden just south of Paris Lumiose City. That pretty much cinches it as Versailles. I also like how they've interpreted Mont Saint-Michel, the island cathedral-looking part on the western peninsula. And do I see the Millau Viaduct there on the eastern part of the map?
I get the feeling that we might start at the center bottom. There's a little town, then a short path before another town, then a forest, then a larger town, then Paris from which it looks like we might go in several different directions. |
I hope we get to go inside that tall white mountain in what would be real life Germany on the map. It seems like there's an entrance to me...maybe it's the new Mt. Silver?
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Maybe not so much a spoiler after all, but because of the image, I spoilered it. :P Cyclone |
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I'm pretty sure we've all seen that already for the most part. All it really means is that we have routes 1-whatever again, which probably means it isn't set near Unova, otherwise the route names would overlap.
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I guess this confirms the routes will be reset, like it happened with Unova
And this probably means there wont be any travel to another region |
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/Fr-map.png I like this new region. From the few routes I see, it looks like the map is going to be more complex than the map of Unova, and that's how I like it. (I'm a little upset my city, Toulouse, doesn't seem to have a counterpart in this region, but it's just me :D ) |
The region seems to be based on Northern France, though. Judging from the icons used in the dex, it's supposed to be some kind of pentagon/star combination.
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I would personally laugh if "Nice Town" or "Nice City" appears in the game by that very name. Cyclone |
They're very similarly structured with the rivers running through several areas of the region, it's certainly the smallest region out of them all.
http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2013/05/Kalos-region-map-610x399.jpghttps://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/graphics/maps/large/fr-map.gif |
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Does anyone think that may the clouds could be covering more parts of the region like B2W2 did with the ice? I hope that it is.
Also could the mountain be where the legends could be? |
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I've been thinking, since the legendaries are so different, Xerneas resides in the woods and Yveltal in the skies, maybe it's like in GSC, where Ho-Oh and Lugia had their own special location? Would be pretty nice to do this with the new legendaries right? One at the top of a mountain, the other in a sacred forest |
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Actually, by the "starting town" circle, that looks like a path into the mountain.
Also, I think the PL will be in the dead north center of the map. The castle may be another landmark of the region; I know, for instance, that two episodes of Iron Chef were filmed at Château de Brissac in Brissac-Quincé. Cyclone |
I could be wrong with on the regional map it having a blue roof, but where you've labelled the starting town, the building in front with the blue roof looks similar to that castle we saw from the initial trailer.
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But i do think it's going to be a pretty big region, just look how much sutff there is to see and explore |
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I feel the region is going to be big. I'm not sure if it's bigger than Unova though? Unova seems a little more spread out, while Kalos seems bunched up a bit more, while still being relatively large. |
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The place with stones is based off of a commune called 'Carnac' in France. Look it up on google maps, they are placed almost in the exact same spot. Carnac is renowned for it's 'Carnac stones' or rather menhirs (standing stones) surrounding in all sorts of different formations around the area. As for the few islands to the top left, I believe those are based off the Channel Islands. Obviously Lumiose City is based off Paris. Not sure about the rest, I have some ideas but they aren't concrete ones. I guess it doesn't really matter what's based off of what. I just think it's cool to know the back story to it all. Sorry for getting carried away xD |
100% France. The fact that the water starter is a frog is too funny, too! lol
Overall, it's gorgeous. I love the rivers, the mountains, the lakes. I prefer being forced into caves and forests than to have them as sidequests... I always hope they're long and challenging, like Mt. Moon was way back in the day, or Dark Cave. I find Unova's caves were too short and brief. Some were even optional. Kalos looks very promising. Favourite game every yet-to-come? Maybe... |
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The size of the region being in question, I think it's a fairly large region. A lot of the towns and cities are very spaced out and scattered around the region which makes it not one linear line like Unova was. So I feel like there's more room to travel here. |
Just from the general overview of the map it definitely seems like a bigger region. I don't know how well that will transfer in-game though, as the Routes can't be ridiculously long, as that would probably make the games much more difficult for people. They could put a healer in a house somewhere, but that's usually saved for one longer Route in most of the games.
If they can make the region seem bigger without upping the difficulty too much for the younger fanbase of the games I think I'd be one happy camper. |
I don't know how I feel about the region, to be honest!
That map artwork is just.. really, really weird. Different, and weird. I mean from that viewpoint it looks like it's zoomed in a bit compared to the likes of the Unova map, but the towns and cities still seem very small. Weird map artwork aside, I still can't wait to explore this new region (and no, I don't doubt it's based on France :P). That area towards the north-east of the map, is that snow/ice? That's pretty cool. Otherwise it's hard to tell from the artwork (sorry, it's just too different, I can't look at it properly!). That round obviously-it's-a-city in the middle of the map is Lumiose city, and I guess we can assume most of the 'fancy' camera work in the overworld (much like Castelia City's/Skyarrow Bridge's) will take place, because it's ROUND. In summary: don't like the map artwork, do like the region a lot and the fact that it's obviously based on a country. |
I just spotted something in the trailer. you can see the girl leaving the town off of route 3 and it looks like she is going into that garden area on the map. so we can assume we start somewhere near there?
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Perhaps, unless the routes are very long...if that were the case it means the hometown could be quite far.
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If its based on France, maybe we can eat Froakie Legs?
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That map is wrong, though. Kalos is the top third of France, and the massif central is in the south of France, below the cut of point. The pyrenees are between France and Spain, nowhere near Brittany.
The Kalos region is obviously inspired by France, with Paris, Birttany, Normandy and Mont Saint-Michel as very obvious clues, but it's still a fictional region, so the thing won't match 100% with France. |
I can't help but feel like the cloud placement is hiding some more of the map.
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That port town near the power plant-ish area seems to be based off of La Havre, which is a maritime city, and it lies around the same location as the port town in Kalos. There is a park of some sort right next to La Havre and Paris so Idk what it actually is. Could be like the power plant in Kalos. I do see the Carnac Stones, and the Eiffel Tower. But, where is Mont Saint-Michel, or the D-day Beaches, the Château de Chambord, the Arc de Triomphe?
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This isn't based off of France. It IS France. The mountain ranges line up, it is the same shape as the country, and it has a freaking EISFLE TOWER IN IT! (I hope I spelled that right. I'm not good at French.)
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It's obviously very heavily inspired by France, but it's definitely not a clone of it. Which is a good thing, as I wouldn't really want to walk through France in a Pokémon game (I mean it sounds kind of cool, but it kind of takes the fantasy element out of it for me). I don't think the cloud is supposed to be hiding anything though, it kind of just looks like a pretty normal cloud pattern for a snowy area (I mean, it DOES need clouds to snow).
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Well in real life it doesn't always snow in mountains, usually it's snow and ice from the previous year. Which means if these games have seasons and we go to the mountains in the summer it may not snow but when we visit in the winter it is snowing/hailing.
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Path Speculation
Anyone have a speculation as to the path we will take in the game? This is my guess...
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I think the legendary legend on the bottom right is where Xerneas is located and at the top is where the assumed Z______ Ancient City Kraken will be. That would leave Yveltal in the snowy mountain, but I assume that's for the evil team showdown and/or an Ice legendary. |
It would be easy for one to assume that we would find the legends in the large mountain in the northeast corner, but like in GSC and HG/SS, I also think Yveltal and Xerneas will be located in two different locations. Yveltal likely being at the top of the mountain as you said and Xerneas being found in one of the forests on the map.
Since this is relevant to the map by the way, I've merged your thread here. |
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If the rumors of Xerneas being about life and Yveltal being about death, as well as, the rumor of the Kraken being the Z______ legendary Pokemon, I assume these are their locations.
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I find the Kalos region's layout, if the Elite Four is on that mountaintop, is similar to Kanto/Johto - separated by a mountain range, but sharing the same E4 location. Maybe we'll see a "sequel" in the future where the countries next to France - Italy, Germany, Switzerland, and Belgium - are combined (or even "faction"'d; that'd be an interesting twist! Civil disputtesss!) to form a new region that uses the same E4 facilities. Cycling Road could give access to that, or that little town in the mountains under the clouds there.
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Kalos in Greek means beauty.We use it to underline the aesthetic pleasure caused by the perfection of the natural environment ( in this case ).
I don't think GF knows it tho. haha it might be a coincidence but Kalos region is such a beautiful region. haha |
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I'd kind of be curious about if there is just a central area to the entire region, and that you just have to go to each point of the "star" at various times. Sadly, I think it will be linear again. Cyclone |
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I'm still trying to figure out where that Train line on the right goes, it just goes right into the central hills and disappears
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I actually think that this may be the transportation system you can use to access an area underground acting as a Subway system. It looks like there are mines in the top right hand corner so maybe they could be connected some how? |
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And maybe, just kinda weird you don't see it pop out anywhere else, subway line perhaps? |
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