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Yukari January 4th, 2015 5:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Zekrom (Post 8565411)
What's Smash-ladder?

This sums up my thoughts on Smash Ladder pretty well.

But on the topic of Ivysaur and Squirtle being cut from smash, I really don't mind too much. I only ever use Shulk anyway.

GreenFlame January 4th, 2015 6:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Orpheus (Post 8565531)
This sums up my thoughts on Smash Ladder pretty well.

But on the topic of Ivysaur and Squirtle being cut from smash, I really don't mind too much. I only ever use Shulk anyway.

I'm really feeling...the sadness of no more Ivysaur....

On another subject, there's a tier list on Smashboards that's been going on for several weeks now where the community votes about every three days on whether a character should go up or down. Naturally there's bias, and in general I disagree with some character's placements. However, some can be relatively accurate.
Since I can't just copy-paste it, here is the list as of the last voting period.

Yukari January 4th, 2015 6:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenFlame (Post 8565662)
On another subject, there's a tier list on Smashboards that's been going on for several weeks now where the community votes about every three days on whether a character should go up or down. Naturally there's bias, and in general I disagree with some character's placements. However, some can be relatively accurate.
Since I can't just copy-paste it, here is the list as of the last voting period.

I really never trust those tier lists, particularly when they're based on community votes.

GreenFlame January 4th, 2015 7:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Orpheus (Post 8565669)
I really never trust those tier lists, particularly when they're based on community votes.

Yeah, but most of the time they have at least some accuracy behind the placing of most characters. For example, we know that Meta Knight ws broken in Brawl, and it's obvious that someone like Luigi in Smash 4 is likely near the top of mid (lol bias).

Tier lists have always been helpful to have.

Aven January 5th, 2015 1:57 PM

I don't trust tiers period.

And Smash Ladder?

Spinosaurus January 5th, 2015 3:36 PM

Official tier lists are good because they are actually based on tournament results. They give a good idea on how characters are standing in the current metagame based on actual facts.

Also Luigi is legit top 10 in Smash 4 imo.

GreenFlame January 5th, 2015 9:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Aven Starkiller (Post 8566906)
I don't trust tiers period.

Like Spino said, they give an idea of roughly how a character's potential is compared to other characters.

And if we're talking about Smash 4 specifically, tier list placing will mean even less because of how balanced the roster is. Characters will only be in tiers because one seems slightly better than the other, e.g Luigi is better than Mario, does that make him extremely better? No, it just means he's either slightly or somewhat better because of how close the roster is. The same could be said about Diddy over the majority of the class. He is the one that stands out as being top over the rest of the class, but that doesn't mean someone people think is near the bottom like Zelda is unplayable. (Also, Diddy just needs some nerfs to get him on par with the rest)

Basically, tiers are guidelines. They give us an idea of who is better than others, even slightly.


P.S I personally find the aforementioned Zelda to be better than a lot of people think, and thus underrated due to underrepresentation.

GlakeGG January 6th, 2015 4:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Zekrom (Post 8565411)
What's Smash-ladder?

http://www.smashladder.com/

Basically a ranking type matchmaking website where you can play other players, counter-pick stages, gain rank, etc for Melee netplay, Project M, and Smash4. I was advised to search for players on their rather than via For Glory if I wanted a better competitive online experience. Played a few matches on it so far and I love how smoothly everything runs, also has a snazzy chatroom :P

Night Watcher January 6th, 2015 8:34 AM

I don't know if this is relevant to anything you guys are discussing but I'm up for any wii u online matches if anyone wants to fight.

Aven January 6th, 2015 3:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ❤Hitomi❤ (Post 8567875)
I don't know if this is relevant to anything you guys are discussing but I'm up for any wii u online matches if anyone wants to fight.

It's about Smash isn't it :3 Don't worry, it's not irrelevant. And I'd love to but right now I'm drowning in homework, maybe later tonight if you're still up to it.

Night Watcher January 6th, 2015 3:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Aven Starkiller (Post 8568424)
It's about Smash isn't it :3 Don't worry, it's not irrelevant. And I'd love to but right now I'm drowning in homework, maybe later tonight if you're still up to it.

If i'm not asleep, then sure.

Nah January 7th, 2015 2:01 PM

Is it just me, or do CPUs seem to be prone to killing themselves sometimes in Smash 4? Just did a match where the CPU Pikachu killed itself twice in a row with its BUp (but whatever, I hate fighting CPU Pikachus anyway). Shulks routinely kill themselves switching modes while off-stage. There's been a few other things too I think. I never remember the CPUs doing stupid things and killing themselves in Melee or Brawl.

Alfieri January 7th, 2015 2:18 PM

I've had that happen to me before. A lot of them tried to get fancy and spike me but it ended up an SD.

GreenFlame January 8th, 2015 3:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Zekrom (Post 8570094)
Is it just me, or do CPUs seem to be prone to killing themselves sometimes in Smash 4? Just did a match where the CPU Pikachu killed itself twice in a row with its BUp (but whatever, I hate fighting CPU Pikachus anyway). Shulks routinely kill themselves switching modes while off-stage. There's been a few other things too I think. I never remember the CPUs doing stupid things and killing themselves in Melee or Brawl.

Yeah, they do it a lot. For example, Level 8 Captain Falcons will occasionally randomly walk off the edge and fastfall to death. Or, if you just hang on the edge, they will walk off and try to N-air you and it won't hit anything and they end up dead.

Also, Shulk and Diddy AI are very prone to not being able to recover. Shulk will end up scrolling through the arts trying to get jump but hitting the blast line (even if he could've easily recovered without the arts), and Diddy will just aim it completely wrong either into the stage, or not charge it enough.

Aven January 8th, 2015 8:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Zekrom (Post 8570094)
Is it just me, or do CPUs seem to be prone to killing themselves sometimes in Smash 4? Just did a match where the CPU Pikachu killed itself twice in a row with its BUp (but whatever, I hate fighting CPU Pikachus anyway). Shulks routinely kill themselves switching modes while off-stage. There's been a few other things too I think. I never remember the CPUs doing stupid things and killing themselves in Melee or Brawl.

No they did it a lot more often, if not the same in Brawl and Melee. Also, if you see a level 9 Shulk continuously die by trying to change his arts, Nintendo would probably like to know so they can patch that. Otherwise, occasional stuff like fast falling and "fancy" deaths are just normal.

Dusk January 10th, 2015 7:55 PM

Does anyone have any idea when that Miiverse stage is going to be added to the Wii U game? I'm guessing maybe sometime around March with Mewtwo or something... But I dunno.

Night Watcher January 11th, 2015 4:04 AM

I didn't really know about this until the 50 fact extravaganza, but it's probably going to come in a later update.

Kameken January 11th, 2015 10:33 AM

I'm really excited about the mewtwo DLC, especially since it means they might make an amiibo of him.

I'm a bit late for this, but on the topic of tiers; I think they're more about how easy a character is to use, rather than potential. Except a few really good or bad ones, I'd say they're all near equal in the hands of someone who's learned them.

Charizard is a prime example of this (100% not biased or anything). His attacks hit hard and can KO fairly early, but people don't use him because it requires actual aim and reflexes.

Pinkie-Dawn January 11th, 2015 3:39 PM

Dunno if this counts as Smash-related, since they're the first game to support amiibos, but did you guys hear about the whole Rosalina situation? Here's the link to the article: http://www.examiner.com/article/man-buys-over-100-rosalina-amiibo-figures-just-so-fans-cannot


Even one of my friend's pre-order for the amiibo got cancelled due this guy buying all of them. Commissioner Gordan was right, some people really do want to watch the world burn, or to be more accurate, a large portion of the smash community.

Nah January 11th, 2015 3:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 8576450)
Dunno if this counts as Smash-related, since they're the first game to support amiibos, but did you guys hear about the whole Rosalina situation? Here's the link to the article: http://www.examiner.com/article/man-buys-over-100-rosalina-amiibo-figures-just-so-fans-cannot


Even one of my friend's pre-order for the amiibo got cancelled due this guy buying all of them. Commissioner Gordan was right, some people really do want to watch the world burn, or to be more accurate, a large portion of the smash community.

lol, that guy's gonna have to buy way more than 100 of them if he wants others to not get them.

Psycho fans will always be psycho....

Pinkie-Dawn January 11th, 2015 4:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Zekrom (Post 8576466)
lol, that guy's gonna have to buy way more than 100 of them if he wants others to not get them.

Psycho fans will always be psycho....

You know what's ironic? The guy hates Rosalina, and he plans to do the same thing with Zero Suit Samus, Palutena, Lucina, and Robin, because he hates "hentai" characters and enforces that as the only reason why fans like them. It gives me more sources on why the western culture don't like anime-ish, or mainstream Japan-influenced, characters on their "testosterone" games because of the otaku culture.

Kameken January 11th, 2015 4:05 PM

I, for one, am glad the guy wasted so much money on a pointless stunt like this, especially since him buying more = Nintendo getting money = Nintendo making a whole lot more Amiibos. It says he's going to try to do the same with Palutena, hopefully I'll still be able to get one.

People like that don't deserve money.

Nah January 11th, 2015 4:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 8576471)
You know what's ironic? The guy hates Rosalina, and he plans to do the same thing with Zero Suit Samus, Palutena, Lucina, and Robin, because he hates "hentai" characters and enforces that as the only reason why fans like them. It gives me more sources on why the western culture don't like anime-ish, or mainstream Japan-influenced, characters on their "testosterone" games because of the otaku culture.

What's also ironic is that he now has 100 amiibos of a character he despises sitting in his house.

Apparently he's also not well acquainted with Rule 34, since I'm pretty sure that there's hentai out there for most of the characters in the Smash roster.

Kameken January 11th, 2015 4:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 8576471)
You know what's ironic? The guy hates Rosalina, and he plans to do the same thing with Zero Suit Samus, Palutena, Lucina, and Robin, because he hates "hentai" characters and enforces that as the only reason why fans like them. It gives me more sources on why the western culture don't like anime-ish, or mainstream Japan-influenced, characters on their "testosterone" games because of the otaku culture.

Wait, Robin as a hentai character?

He knows the Robin amiibo is probably going to be male, right? I mean, I know there's probably some of male Robin, but... What?

Pinkie-Dawn January 11th, 2015 4:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Kameken (Post 8576481)
Wait, Robin as a hentai character?

He knows the Robin amiibo is probably going to be male, right? I mean, I know there's probably some of male Robin, but... What?

He probably believes the players will use female Robin more than male Robin due to his "hentai character" reason, especially how in Awakening, female Robin gets seen naked by Chrom in one of their support conversations.


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