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Nah March 24th, 2015 2:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Aven Starkiller (Post 8671292)
How about Lucina?

Same deal with her I'd imagine, seeing as how she's a Marth clone.

Spinosaurus March 24th, 2015 2:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Aven Starkiller (Post 8671292)
How about Lucina?

Lucina is even worse because she loses the one saving grace Marth has (tipper). Without the tipper she can't kill as well as he does and she's unsafe on block for practically every move.

The reason why Marth is inconsistent isn't because of his tipper, but because he relies on hard reads. He really cannot kill anyone without praying someone walks into a kill move. Marth as a character isn't bad to be honest, I don't think he has any particular bad match ups, but when you have to make consistent reads in a tournament setting then there's a problem. From a tournament standpoint, Marth is bad. Lucina is worse. (But honestly won't lose much if at all from picking her over Marth, she just doesn't have the rewards Marth has.)

I heard he has a custom side b tht can confirm into a kill though, so he benefits from that environment.

Aven March 24th, 2015 4:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Spinosaurus (Post 8671338)
Lucina is even worse because she loses the one saving grace Marth has (tipper). Without the tipper she can't kill as well as he does and she's unsafe on block for practically every move.

The reason why Marth is inconsistent isn't because of his tipper, but because he relies on hard reads. He really cannot kill anyone without praying someone walks into a kill move. Marth as a character isn't bad to be honest, I don't think he has any particular bad match ups, but when you have to make consistent reads in a tournament setting then there's a problem. From a tournament standpoint, Marth is bad. Lucina is worse. (But honestly won't lose much if at all from picking her over Marth, she just doesn't have the rewards Marth has.)

I heard he has a custom side b tht can confirm into a kill though, so he benefits from that environment.

Sorry I didn't mean to click the like button. Interesting theory though.

Night Watcher March 24th, 2015 4:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Spinosaurus (Post 8671338)
Lucina is even worse because she loses the one saving grace Marth has (tipper). Without the tipper she can't kill as well as he does and she's unsafe on block for practically every move.

The reason why Marth is inconsistent isn't because of his tipper, but because he relies on hard reads. He really cannot kill anyone without praying someone walks into a kill move. Marth as a character isn't bad to be honest, I don't think he has any particular bad match ups, but when you have to make consistent reads in a tournament setting then there's a problem. From a tournament standpoint, Marth is bad. Lucina is worse. (But honestly won't lose much if at all from picking her over Marth, she just doesn't have the rewards Marth has.)

I heard he has a custom side b tht can confirm into a kill though, so he benefits from that environment.

She's the character that racks up percentage though. Even though she doesn't have tippers, she does have powerful moves and all around attacks to kill the enemy faster and more strategically while Marth, on the other hand, relies heavily on his tippers.

Pinkie-Dawn March 25th, 2015 9:31 AM

Should we be discouraged on using Lucina then? At least we'll know who's first in line on the chopping block for the next game.

Has anyone watched AlpharadTV's Smash videos? They're both hilarious and helpful to provide strategies for the characters he's playing as, especially his "How to Play" videos. Unfortunately, the majority of those videos are NSFW due to use of profanity, so I'll instead post one of his safer videos:

Spoiler:

Nah March 25th, 2015 9:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 8672680)
Should we be discouraged on using Lucina then? At least we'll know who's first in line on the chopping block for the next game.

I think the idea is more that she (or any character really) is fine to use, but in high level play you may have a more difficult time.

Quote:

Has anyone watched AlpharadTV's Smash videos? They're both hilarious and helpful to provide strategies for the characters he's playing as, especially his "How to Play" videos. Unfortunately, the majority of those videos are NSFW due to use of profanity, so I'll instead post one of his safer videos:

Spoiler:

Haha, that was a bit amusing

Night Watcher March 25th, 2015 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Zekrom (Post 8672693)
I think the idea is more that she (or any character really) is fine to use, but in high level play you may have a more difficult time.

I guess you could say that beginners with Lucina will have a hard time in competitions, but when someone mains her, they won't have too much of a problem. The only problem I had with her is her sword length.

Aven March 25th, 2015 6:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Kokoro (Post 8672943)
I guess you could say that beginners with Lucina will have a hard time in competitions, but when someone mains her, they won't have too much of a problem. The only problem I had with her is her sword length.

Her sword length is the same as Marth's, I think. Any longer and it would be too OP.

Spinosaurus March 26th, 2015 6:53 AM

It'd be easier for all of us if you just admit that you don't necessarily care or follow the metagame. Honestly don't see why you care if Marth and Lucina are bad in that setting if so. :V

Aven March 26th, 2015 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Spinosaurus (Post 8674102)
It'd be easier for all of us if you just admit that you don't necessarily care or follow the metagame. Honestly don't see why you care if Marth and Lucina are bad in that setting if so. :V

Metagames change, they improve and update, but they're sort of useless and too technical.

Cura March 26th, 2015 11:29 AM

Sword lengths are the same as its the same weapon that both Marth and Lucina use. Its just different variants of said sword, so naturally there is differences in weight, swing strength and finally how it functions where Marth's tip will only to 100% of the damage where Lucina's blade can do full damage normally all around.

Pinkie-Dawn March 28th, 2015 3:34 PM

Oh yay, more leaks..... (spoiler'd due to images being large)


Spinosaurus March 28th, 2015 3:45 PM

Oh man no
1. Mewtwo's trophy doesn't match his render (which doesn't have his tail???)
2. Why is Roy next to the Fire Emblem characters but not Mewtwo?
3. The fonts don't even match. Roy's name is ridiculously big in that CSS. Mewtwo's name is inside the black bar entirely unlike every other character.
4. Mewtwo's character box is misaligned with the rest of the characters.
5. Why does Roy have actual twig arms? Even Marth's official render has muscles.
http://www.smashbros.com/images/character/marth/main.png

Nah March 28th, 2015 3:51 PM

Idk the Mewtwo stuff could be legit. They are gonna release him fairly soon. The Roy stuff's gotta be fake though. I see no reason to include him in Smash 4.

Spinosaurus March 28th, 2015 3:55 PM

Also note Mewtwo's name isn't there on the player 1 box when he's chosen.

Pinkie-Dawn March 28th, 2015 4:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Spinosaurus (Post 8678431)
Also note Mewtwo's name isn't there on the player 1 box when he's chosen.

The lack of names was acknowleged in the source:


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UPDATE:My friend stopped by this morning and let me play something new ^..^ The DLC is finished and the names have been added (I was wondering where the names were turns out they didn't add them till now) ROY Plus Mewtwo Amiibo

Spinosaurus March 28th, 2015 4:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 8678455)
The lack of names was acknowleged in the source:

Am I supposed to believe that, on top of all the other inconsistencies?

Why would they only add the names (something so basic and quick to do) at the last minute? lol

Aven March 28th, 2015 6:14 PM

Guys, fake or not we're getting Mewtwo. Why are we still arguing about this? xD

Pinkie-Dawn March 29th, 2015 6:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Aven Starkiller (Post 8678602)
Guys, fake or not we're getting Mewtwo. Why are we still arguing about this? xD

Because we're not sure if this will be Mewtwo's official vector once the DLC is released, because everyone assumed his other vector from the 50-fact extravaganza is his official vector.

Cura March 29th, 2015 6:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Aven Starkiller (Post 8678602)
Guys, fake or not we're getting Mewtwo. Why are we still arguing about this? xD

Its just how all of the Smash community is I guess. When an interesting leak comes out, it claims to something and if no one comes forward with anything debunking the rumor, it stirs up the community.

It was similar to the Paper Mario 2: The Thousand Year Door Leak on the 3DS, it was just the game data and iso ported to a Flashcart on the 3DS. Which interestingly works nice, but not official and a lot of folk were pissed off (myself included).

Pinkie-Dawn April 1st, 2015 5:26 PM

I was certainly not expecting Lucas to return based on how the roster was organized for both versions. Ness was paired with the rest of the single rep characters in chronological order, so how are they going to reorganize the roster now that Ness and Lucas will be grouped with the multi-rep franchises (they can't fit well in the 3DS roster's third row and the Wii U roster's second row)?


The announcement of the Smash Bros. Fighter Ballot was brilliant, because our voices can finally be heard on who we want most. I already voted for King K. Rool, but I'll leave a link to the ballot for everyone else: https://cp.nintendo.co.jp/us/

Keiran April 1st, 2015 11:12 PM

I voted for Isaac from Golden Sun..

..but I have no doubt that either Ridley or Goku will win, lol.

Omicron April 1st, 2015 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Keiran (Post 8685850)
I voted for Isaac from Golden Sun..

..but I have no doubt that either Ridley or Goku will win, lol.

https://40.media.tumblr.com/573a803b38b1f9a6f764c787ffcf12ab/tumblr_nm5idlCMdO1ql3a4xo1_1280.pnghttps://36.media.tumblr.com/0ee6e656125f59612b6e3bf25217bf3e/tumblr_nm5idlCMdO1ql3a4xo2_1280.png
fresh from Tumblr. seems like people had your same concerns.


I'll probably vote for Krystal from Star Fox Adventures.

Nah April 2nd, 2015 4:58 AM

I'm sure that Ridley will get a lot of votes, but I doubt that they'll actually make him a playable character in Smash 4 since he's already the Pyrosphere stage hazard/boss.

I don't know who I'd like to vote for though.

Pinkie-Dawn April 2nd, 2015 6:50 AM

Here's a list of characters we should be voting for:

Wolf
King K. Rool
Dixie Kong
Impa
Bandana Dee
Issac

Do not waste your vote on an obscure character (Ex: Mike Jones), a post-Smash 4 character (Ex: Inkling), a third-party character (Ex: Rayman), or an already deconfirmed character (Ex: Ridley).


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