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Iceshadow3317 July 16th, 2013 9:56 AM

So what are some Fairy Dual Combos, that you all want to see? Here is a list of ones I mainly want to see.
Fairy/Fire
Fairy/Water
Fairy/Grass
Fairy/Electric
Fairy/Ice
Fairy/Dark

Fairy/Bug
Fairy/Dragon

Now I highly doubt of of these will come out all in 1 generation, but you never know. Depends on how many pokemon there is. These are new pokemon I want to see not old retyped ones. I know we already have some retypes like Marill. The ones in bold are ones I really want to see this generation as a normal evolution line. As I have said a lot I also want the trio to be part Fairy with Grass,Water, and Fire or Dark.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 16th, 2013 11:51 AM

I'll like to see
Grass/Fairy
Fairy/Flying
Dragon/Fairy
Steel/Fairy
and Dark/Fairy :)

§acred†Beo! July 16th, 2013 12:58 PM

I am all for a new type addition. Fairy may not be the best choice possible but I am ok with and cannot wait to try the fairy type out in game.

L0RD G3NGAR July 17th, 2013 5:57 AM

I was hoping for light type, because well it would make more sense imo, light super effective to ghost, dark and dragon. But fairy seems decent.

Kurapika July 17th, 2013 6:07 AM

I was totally againt having a Light type just for the sake of having the Light-Dark duality.
Having a new type is kindof unecessary to be honest, but, the moment I knew they will call it "Fairy' type I went full bias and said HELL YEAH, I like Fairiz :3 and Fairy Tail FTW XD I hope they add a move called Fairy Tail, man if they do that I'll die in peace! :D
As of Fairy being super effective to ragon, I find that Fairy 'nuff... #LamePuns :p
I'd like to see it weak to Poison and Ghost, resistant to Dragon, totally neutral to Ice, and neutral and/or resistant to Steel.

And they should re-type many other Pokémon. Probably like this:
Wynaut/Wobuffet: Fairy/Psychic
Victini/ulpix/Ninetales: Fairy/Psychic
Mismagius: Ghost/Fairy
Celebi: Fairy/Grass
Clefairy/Clebable: Fairy/Normal

Seriously, Celebi and Clefairy ARE and MUST be Fairy!! ...

Salt-the-Sloth July 17th, 2013 6:39 AM

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Originally Posted by AlexOzzyCake (Post 7737828)
Possibly Dark could be super effective against it but who knows. They just seem like quite unrelated types to me, given that you get evil fairy creatures very often, arguably just as commonly as good fairies. It's still hard to know precisely what the Fairy type is based on (I assume the moon?), but I don't see Dark and Fairy having any notable relationship.

I know right? Espeon was the Sun Pokemon, Umbreon was the Moon Pokemon, but it does seem like fairies are based on the moon (Sylveons move, Moonblast...I'm guessing its has something to do with the moon.) I want to see how GameFreak sets apart Umbreon and Sylveon.

As for Fairies rivaling Dark, I can totally see it happening. I mean, I know the Legendaries are Dark and Fairy respectfully, but even if they weren't I'd still think that Fairy and Dark were some kind of related. I don't mean we'll get a whole side story for this, just maybe a sort of Psychic x Dark or Fire x Water thing. Then again, it kind of seems like it already has that with the Dragon type. I guess it's as...."mysterious as the dark side of the moon".

And to the people who say they wanted a Light type, yes I do agree it would have made a lot more sense than Fairy type. But, and I'm not sure if this is well known or not, the "Psychic" type in Japan is called the "Light" type. Knowing this, Fairy type makes WAYYY more sense than having another type of...and already introduced type...

I hope we get a Fire/Fairy, I am SOOOOO calling it "Natsu" XD And if it's Ice/Fairy, then whaddup "Gray"!

Kurapika July 17th, 2013 7:11 AM

Delibird and Snorunt seem to me like they'd fit in the a Fairy/Ice typing. :D and Vulpix, Ninetales, Victini and Fennekin's evolutions can be Fiary/Fire *.*
Oh! And Togepi, Togetic, Togekiss and Meloetta, all of them need to have Fairy type instead of their Normal type part. :]

Iceshadow3317 July 17th, 2013 7:29 AM

I to thought of replacing normal with fairy, but I do not see them getting rid of half the pokemon with normal and replacing it with fairy. I do not see them messing with any dual type pokemon at that.

L0RD G3NGAR July 17th, 2013 7:33 AM

Normal type is one of the best types tho because only fighting is super effective

metalhand July 17th, 2013 9:11 AM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7737342)
I'm way to deep into this now x_x

Ok so I redid the calculations for the battle between Gardevoir and Hydreigon and tried to get is on the dot to try and pin point the attack damage.

So far the only spot on numbers I can get is with x2 damage (Dragon Weak to Fairy only)

Fairy Wind is Base of 50 or 60.
With a base of 50 Fairy Wind does 80-96 Damage.
With a base of 60 Fairy Wind does 96-114 Damage.

96 was the amount of HP Hydreigon lost. He was set to level 50, had 152 HP. When he dropped down to 56 HP left I did calculations to try and see if I could get the damage to fall to that level.

With x4 damage, a Base 30 does 100-120 damage which is too much as I need to hit 56 on the dot and that gives me 52 HP minimum.

To get x4 Damage to deal 96 as a possible on the range it has to be 24-25 bp which seems too weak for an attack that possibly doesn't have a secondary effect.

Majority of attacks under 30 are multi-hit attacks or special condition attacks like Stored Power which boost based on how many positive stat buffs you added or Knock Off which doesn't change but takes off an equipped item. Then you have extremely weak moves with stronger versions not much further up like Absorb and Leech Life, and the last set in there are Mud-Slap, Bubble, Lick, and Rapid Spin. All four are really weak but have their own merits. I do not see Fairy Wind lumped together with any of these attacks, nor can I see it with 24 Base power (only one of the two that actually hits 96 as a maximum damage as 25 BP has 100 as the maximum.

I think this proves in a way that its only x2 to dragon and not x4 to Dragon/Dark.

in the math you forgot that they didn't reveal gardevoir's level, it could be some low level one. and thats mabye why it didn't do so much damage despite it being X4 effective

BlueMudkipz July 17th, 2013 9:36 AM

Im excited to see what pokemon are going to be classified as Fairy type!

~blu

Kurapika July 17th, 2013 11:16 AM

The 1st time I heard about Fairy Wind it reminded me of Silver Wind and Ominous Wind.

Austin1395 July 17th, 2013 11:27 AM

I am interested as to who is getting re-typed. Ideas?

metalhand July 17th, 2013 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Austin1395 (Post 7741005)
I am interested as to who is getting re-typed. Ideas?

clefairy, it must be-it have the word fairy in his name

Xander Olivieri July 17th, 2013 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by metalhand (Post 7740860)
in the math you forgot that they didn't reveal gardevoir's level, it could be some low level one. and thats mabye why it didn't do so much damage despite it being X4 effective

The levels are usually autoset to 50 as they use the wifi battle code for the simulations. Even still if lower level that can mean Fairy Wind is more than 60 which I doubt. Even with missing info, for me to find a spot on number is still hard making the math a little more secure since I got pretty much 100% accuracy on the damage dealt. If she were lower and doing x4 it would be harder to pinpoint a reasonable BP.

I can try once I get computor access to try though.

I love doing math, so I may do it anyway.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 17th, 2013 12:19 PM

I sure hope Clefairy is fairy type, it deserves it more than Jigglypuff, what with it being from the moon and having FAIRY in it's name.

Iceshadow3317 July 17th, 2013 1:11 PM

Every pokemon in the Fairy egg group, not including those with 2 types already.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 17th, 2013 2:17 PM

I will be interesting to see Pikachu be fairy...though I can see it. Notch eared Pichu in HgSs made me think of fairies living in the forest, and being mischievous which is what they've classically been associated with.

Xander Olivieri July 17th, 2013 3:37 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7741023)
The levels are usually autoset to 50 as they use the wifi battle code for the simulations. Even still if lower level that can mean Fairy Wind is more than 60 which I doubt. Even with missing info, for me to find a spot on number is still hard making the math a little more secure since I got pretty much 100% accuracy on the damage dealt. If she were lower and doing x4 it would be harder to pinpoint a reasonable BP.

I can try once I get computor access to try though.

I love doing math, so I may do it anyway.

Started with 25. For x4 to deal 96 damage it has to have a base of 65. Going up a level would lower the base power. You have to cut the level in half, and I doubt Gamefreak didn't auto set them both to 50 for the demonstration.

Shrew July 18th, 2013 1:44 AM

I do not believe Pikachu will become fairy type. Pikachu has been a mascot of the series ever since, not to mention a textbook example of a classic electric type, and making a huge change to it seems unlikely.

Yes, it would be completely useful competitively, but I just don't see every Fairy (Egg Group) member becoming fairies. I think the fact that the trailer debutting fairies showcased Gardevoir--who was never in the Fairy (Egg Group)--is Gamefreak's way of hinting to us that fairies will not be as restricted to the current egg group as we think

I do find it very probable that Pikachu will learn fairy type moves.

CliCliW July 18th, 2013 4:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shrew (Post 7741902)
I do not believe Pikachu will become fairy type. Pikachu has been a mascot of the series ever since, not to mention a textbook example of a classic electric type, and making a huge change to it seems unlikely.

Yes, it would be completely useful competitively, but I just don't see every Fairy (Egg Group) member becoming fairies. I think the fact that the trailer debutting fairies showcased Gardevoir--who was never in the Fairy (Egg Group)--is Gamefreak's way of hinting to us that fairies will not be as restricted to the current egg group as we think

I do find it very probable that Pikachu will learn fairy type moves.

THIS. I doubt they'd really be so radical as to change the mascot as radically as to add a new type to it. That said it will definitely learn some fairy moves. As I'm going to assume tons of non-fairy types will..

Being honest I'd kinda have liked GF to rename Normal to Fairy rather than add a new type... but that's just me :)

I just saw this on Pokememes:

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7595104256/hA140E3E2/

What I'm focusing on is where it says Fairy types are strong against Dark types...

Can anyone use dem mad math skillz or otherwise to confirm this?

I was hoping that dark would be strong against Fairy.

Xander Olivieri July 18th, 2013 5:15 AM

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Originally Posted by CliCliW (Post 7742046)
THIS. I doubt they'd really be so radical as to change the mascot as radically as to add a new type to it. That said it will definitely learn some fairy moves. As I'm going to assume tons of non-fairy types will..

Being honest I'd kinda have liked GF to rename Normal to Fairy rather than add a new type... but that's just me :)

I just saw this on Pokememes:

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7595104256/hA140E3E2/

What I'm focusing on is where it says Fairy types are strong against Dark types...

Can anyone use dem mad math skillz or otherwise to confirm this?

I was hoping that dark would be strong against Fairy.

I've done the math like four times in this thread. Two major issues with x4 damage Fairy Wind does not deal 96 damage with a 60 BP attack. It also has to be as low as level 25 to get close to doing 96 damage and thats with a base power of 65.

I'll see if I can access the calculator from my phone, but I remember hitting 100 damage a few times when I first started doing the damage calculations.

Everytime I've run x4 damage, I can't get96 and 100 in the same BP or level setting. This and the fact that mock ups are almost always shown near same level, especially with an underleveled hydreigon in player possession. The numbers don't seem to add up.

CliCliW July 18th, 2013 5:44 AM

Okay fair enough. That makes me slightly more relieved. I'm still kinda hoping Dark is strong against Fairy.

Xander Olivieri July 18th, 2013 5:56 AM

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Originally Posted by CliCliW (Post 7742084)
Okay fair enough. That makes me slightly more relieved. I'm still kinda hoping Dark is strong against Fairy.

We're not exactly out of the woods, while I can't get his numbers on the calculator without dropping Gardevoir's level to half of Hydreigon to deal x4 damage, I never said his math was wrong. Only a few things go against what he says and I'm still testing the Calculator to see what damage can be done.

I'll compile a full list of damage ranges when I get home from work to get a large scale comparison. With a few more examples maybe we'll see what we missed if anything at all.

Iceshadow3317 July 18th, 2013 7:53 AM

I know I have said it before, but let me explain a bit this time. (Or at least what I can explain.)

I think Fairy will be strong against Dark as well as Dragon. Don't know why.

I think Fairy will be weak to at least Poison, due to fairies mainly being water and forest deities and what not. Therefore, one of the main "evils" of forest and water is Pollution and Poison. Another possible weakness is ghost, but there is nothing really to back this up with other then Ghost pokemon are only strong against other ghost types and dark types. Dark and Ghost could change positions.

L0RD G3NGAR July 18th, 2013 8:41 AM

Yes, but it the fairy attack could also be lower, because you have not included the Sp attack of gardevoir and the sp defence of hdragon. This means that it could be se to both dragon and dark.

Esper July 18th, 2013 9:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shrew (Post 7741902)
I do not believe Pikachu will become fairy type. Pikachu has been a mascot of the series ever since, not to mention a textbook example of a classic electric type, and making a huge change to it seems unlikely.

Yes, it would be completely useful competitively, but I just don't see every Fairy (Egg Group) member becoming fairies. I think the fact that the trailer debutting fairies showcased Gardevoir--who was never in the Fairy (Egg Group)--is Gamefreak's way of hinting to us that fairies will not be as restricted to the current egg group as we think

I do find it very probable that Pikachu will learn fairy type moves.

While I agree, and don't think Pikachu will be given a second typing, I think it would be a great way for GF to show people it's still innovative if it did. They'd surprise us, and I think they need to give us more surprises. The Fairy-type itself it pretty big, but changing their mascot even slightly would be something even bigger.

Xander Olivieri July 18th, 2013 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Flamebot (Post 7742247)
Yes, but it the fairy attack could also be lower, because you have not included the Sp attack of gardevoir and the sp defence of hdragon. This means that it could be se to both dragon and dark.

My calculations require gardevoir's 125 sp atk and hydreigon's 90 sp def. which may be why my numbers are so different. I'm about to start compiling my list.


EDIT:

Going to use Bulbapedia's example since its written in a way I can read and it was the first thing I could get my hands on.
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/4/47/DamageCalc.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/3/32/ModifierCalc.png

Assuming Level is 50 for both.

x4:
Damage=(((2x50+10)/250)x(125/90)x60+2)xModifier(5.10,6)
(5.10,6)=Modifier=1.5x4x1x1x(0.85;1.00)

Damage = ((110/250)x1.3888888x60+2)x(5.10,6)
Damage = (.44x1.3888888888x60+2)x(5.10,6)
Damage = (.6111111x60+2)x(5.10,6)
Damage = 38.6666666666666(5.10,6)
197.2, 232
197,232


x2:Damage=(((2x50+10)/250)+(125/90)x60+2)xModifier(2.55,3)
(2.55,3)=Modifier=1.5x2x1x1x(0.85;1.00)

(98,116)

L0RD G3NGAR July 18th, 2013 12:59 PM

Try 117 sp attack and 85 sp defence those are the lowest possiable stats.

Xander Olivieri July 18th, 2013 1:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Flamebot (Post 7742499)
Try 117 sp attack and 85 sp defence those are the lowest possiable stats.

The videos actually do unaffected stats. No IVs and no EVs. Its the base and that's it.

From what I can tell, initially I was wrong. Now that I get to sit and do the math myself rather than using the calculators presented on Smogon. It is true that you cannot deal 100 points of damage, though as I had said, that Sylveon had to be a low level, at least half that of Hydreigon to do that kinda damage with a base of 60.

The calculation the guy gave was much simpler than what I just did, though I read the harder one easier than his.

Though I have no idea what his "Initial Damage" thing is so I have no idea how he had gotten the numbers he used.

Using the minimums anyway...x4 is 195-230
x2 is 97-115

Really the minimums barely changed anything...though it does kill of the ability to use that guy's calculation to reverse check it.

EDIT: Applying the guy's formula to the one above....You can't get the numbers I got but it doesn't look like I missed anything. I don't know who is using the right formula now....

Using another Smogon one...This one is so much easier to use omg.

Using Bug since they haven't updated Fairy.
0 SpA (custom) (Move 1) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD (custom): 96-114 (63.15 - 75%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
(96, 96, 98, 98, 98, 102, 102, 102, 104, 104, 108, 108, 108, 110, 110, 114)

Attacker Info
Bug
SpA=125
Bug Special 60 Bp
Lv 50

Defender Info
Grass
HP=92
SpD=90
lv 50

0 SpA (custom) (Move 1) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD (custom): 192-228 (126.31 - 150%) -- guaranteed OHKO
(192, 192, 196, 196, 196, 204, 204, 204, 208, 208, 216, 216, 216, 220, 220, 228)

Attacker Info
Bug
SpA=125
Bug Special 60 Bp
Lv 50

Defender Info
Grass/Psychic
HP=92
SpD=90
lv 50

0 SpA (custom) (Move 1) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD (custom): 84-100 (55.26 - 65.78%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
(84, 84, 84, 84, 88, 88, 88, 88, 88, 88, 96, 96, 96, 96, 96, 100)

Attacker Info
Bug
SpA=125
Bug Special 60 Bp
Lv 32 to 34

Defender Info
Grass/Psychic
HP=92
SpD=90
lv 50



As far as I can see only thing that rings true is x2 damage cannot do 100 points of damage to them. It has to be x4 to deal 100 points of damage. So it looks as if Fairy is SE to Dark with this. I find it hard to believe myself and I just did the math. Gardevoir must have been a fairly low level which is a little unprecedented.



So Fairy:
Weak to Poison
Strong against Dark, Dragon, Ice

Unconfirmed:
Weak to Steel
Strong against Fighting
Resisted by Fire/Psychic
Resists nothing
Immune Dragon



Still highly doubt the last one as its too much.

L0RD G3NGAR July 18th, 2013 2:40 PM

What is the formula for the actual damage? Because Gardevoirs Sp attack is not known unless it's a lvl 50 or 100
And for it to do 96 damage how does that prove that it's SE to dark type too.

Xander Olivieri July 18th, 2013 3:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Flamebot (Post 7742622)
What is the formula for the actual damage? Because Gardevoirs Sp attack is not known unless it's a lvl 50 or 100
And for it to do 96 damage how does that prove that it's SE to dark type too.

The base Stat determines everything, including their growth. The base stat never changes despite their level so it can be used to get their current Sp. Attack number.

96 and 100 (the latter is what proves the SE to dark) are points to focus your calculations on. With it you can assemble the other information and make accurate attempts to find what the base power was or do accurate damage counts to see how they play.

100 cannot be done on a x2 setting so Hydreigon taking 100 Damage from a Fairy attack means it is doubly weak to it.

L0RD G3NGAR July 18th, 2013 4:04 PM

But that doesnt prove much. If it was Se to both dark and dragon shouldn't it have done more than 100 damage?

Xander Olivieri July 18th, 2013 4:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Flamebot (Post 7742691)
But that doesnt prove much. If it was Se to both dark and dragon shouldn't it have done more than 100 damage?

We don't know the level but I can easily pin point a level reversing it. I think it was between 32-34 as those three levels 32, 33, and 34 have an 88 to 100 range. 32 having a minimum of 88 and 34 having a max around 100.

As I said 100 Damage can only be done by a Pokemon with x4 damage.

L0RD G3NGAR July 18th, 2013 4:42 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7742702)
We don't know the level but I can easily pin point a level reversing it. I think it was between 32-34 as those three levels 32, 33, and 34 have an 88 to 100 range. 32 having a minimum of 88 and 34 having a max around 100.

As I said 100 Damage can only be done by a Pokemon with x4 damage.

Hmm i see Attachment 68864 so like this?

Iceshadow3317 July 19th, 2013 7:53 AM

I was thinking about this last night when I was going through a list of possible old pokemon that could be made Fairy.

What about Illumise and Volbeat. They are both only bug type, but they have always slightly reminded me of fairies.

SpitfireYoshi July 19th, 2013 8:55 AM

That's seems possible....


Me want a Fairy Dragon!!

Belldandy July 19th, 2013 9:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Iceman3317 (Post 7743401)
What about Illumise and Volbeat. They are both only bug type, but they have always slightly reminded me of fairies.

That makes sense to me :) I wouldn't mind seeing them gain the Fairy typing. They'd definitely be more useful.

Kurapika July 19th, 2013 10:51 AM

Yeah, Volbeat and Illumise being Fairy would make sense not to mention that it will make those junk Bugs more useful.
Which moves you think may become of the Fairy type? Imo: Charm, Wish, Nature Power, Sing, Relic Song, ...

CliCliW July 19th, 2013 12:40 PM

I think Moonlight and maybe Metronome could both be changed to Fairy.

Livewire July 19th, 2013 2:16 PM

I'm thinking the Jigglypuff and Clefairy lines, Dunsparce, the Azurill line, etc. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that a lot of the previous purely Normal typed Pokemon will pick up Fairy as a secondary type.

Iceshadow3317 July 19th, 2013 3:08 PM

Both Jigglypuff and Azurill lines have been confirmed. There should be a good amount to become fairy. Depends on what GF wants to do though.

Xander Olivieri July 19th, 2013 5:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Iceman3317 (Post 7743912)
Both Jigglypuff and Azurill lines have been confirmed. There should be a good amount to become fairy. Depends on what GF wants to do though.

Both the lines haven't been confirmed. Only one member from each is confirmed, by association we can go with the evolved form as well, but there is nothing that says that the babies are Fairy Type.

Salt-the-Sloth July 20th, 2013 5:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Kurapika (Post 7743588)
Yeah, Volbeat and Illumise being Fairy would make sense not to mention that it will make those junk Bugs more useful.
Which moves you think may become of the Fairy type? Imo: Charm, Wish, Nature Power, Sing, Relic Song, ...

Swift!!! I was always confused with swift, like I thought it didn't fit normal type, and the closest type I could find to fit it was Psychic, but Swift being Fairy would be perfect!

Other moves hmm...probably Attract, Captivate, Perish Song(Wasn't there a story of mermaids singing to pirates luring them to their deaths? Mermaids are...kind of fairy-ish...), Refresh, Moonlight ( maybe Morning Sun too? ) Tickle, maybe Trump Card?

I really only see them changing a few moves into Fairy and introducing a bunch. I'd probably say Swift, Moonlight, Wish, Attract+Charm+Captivate and Sing will be reclassed and that's it..

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 20th, 2013 2:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Salt-the-Sloth (Post 7744667)
Swift!!! I was always confused with swift, like I thought it didn't fit normal type, and the closest type I could find to fit it was Psychic, but Swift being Fairy would be perfect!

Other moves hmm...probably Attract, Captivate, Perish Song(Wasn't there a story of mermaids singing to pirates luring them to their deaths? Mermaids are...kind of fairy-ish...), Refresh, Moonlight ( maybe Morning Sun too? ) Tickle, maybe Trump Card?

I really only see them changing a few moves into Fairy and introducing a bunch. I'd probably say Swift, Moonlight, Wish, Attract+Charm+Captivate and Sing will be reclassed and that's it..

Actually in the original version it was the Sirens, bird like woman who lead naval man (pirates, sea merchants, etc.) to their doom. Their voices in some versions are said to have had the secrets of the universe. Would be nice if there was a Pokémon based on them, or a Harpy.

Iceshadow3317 July 20th, 2013 2:55 PM

Sing, Attract, Charm, Captivate, Swift, Double Slap, Sweet Kiss, Sweet Scent, Helping Hand and Heal Bell.

Those are just 10 normal attacks that I saw. There is probably a lot more that could be used. Those are just some I could see. Maybe not Double Slap.


Also, another pokemon that could be part fairy would be Chimecho as a Psy/Fairy.

Perriechu July 20th, 2013 7:58 PM

Moves that should definitely be Fairy type are; Charm, Captivate, Sweet Kiss, Lovely Kiss and Wish. Others don't seem to have that 'Fairy' quality to them... I mean moves like Sing could be fairy but they can't change every normal move to Fairy but I think that a fair few will be. I think a lot of Normal types will be changed and Pokemon that have Normal as a dual type simply because I think Normal was meant to be a 'placeholder' of sorts for a Fairy type.

I think Eevee could possibly get the type, Clefairy's line obviously will; as will Jigglypuff's. I think Miltank, Psyduck, Golduck, Poliwag, Poliwhirl and Politoed could possibly get it, too.

Vulpix and Ninetales, too, maybe?

Xander Olivieri July 20th, 2013 8:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dragonomega (Post 7745395)
Moves that should definitely be Fairy type are; Charm, Captivate, Sweet Kiss, Lovely Kiss and Wish. Others don't seem to have that 'Fairy' quality to them... I mean moves like Sing could be fairy but they can't change every normal move to Fairy but I think that a fair few will be. I think a lot of Normal types will be changed and Pokemon that have Normal as a dual type simply because I think Normal was meant to be a 'placeholder' of sorts for a Fairy type.

I think Eevee could possibly get the type, Clefairy's line obviously will; as will Jigglypuff's. I think Miltank, Psyduck, Golduck, Poliwag, Poliwhirl and Politoed could possibly get it, too.

Vulpix and Ninetales, too, maybe?

Normal was never a placeholder for anything and still exists. Eevee has a Fairy Type evolution and the main site still has it as Normal so it didn't change.


I'm not really seeing any old moves changing, most mentioned are fairly normal in pretty much every aspect of their being. Moonlight, sure I can see that changing, but why was Morning Sun never fire? I don't see one changing and not the other. None of the attacks really seem out of place as normal attacks. Sure they may need to retype some or else we'll get 15+ fairy attacks this gen to balance things out.

Perriechu July 20th, 2013 9:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7745426)
Normal was never a placeholder for anything and still exists. Eevee has a Fairy Type evolution and the main site still has it as Normal so it didn't change.

I meant that if Fairy type was around at the start then a lot of Normal type moves and Pokemon would be Fairy type. Placeholder may have been the wrong word to use but I can't think of the word rn. :( Hopefully you understand, lmao.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 20th, 2013 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7745426)
Normal was never a placeholder for anything and still exists. Eevee has a Fairy Type evolution and the main site still has it as Normal so it didn't change.


I'm not really seeing any old moves changing, most mentioned are fairly normal in pretty much every aspect of their being. Moonlight, sure I can see that changing, but why was Morning Sun never fire? I don't see one changing and not the other. None of the attacks really seem out of place as normal attacks. Sure they may need to retype some or else we'll get 15+ fairy attacks this gen to balance things out.

There's also a chance they may not add many. Dark and Steel didn't get much moves during their introduction, and gen III mostly introduced none attack moves such as memento and Iron Defense. Steel as of Generation V has around 15 moves...so I imagine Fairy would have less than that for it's first generation.

ballin'Blissey July 20th, 2013 10:35 PM

Some ideas for fairy type moves:

- Magic Powder: 25% (each) to poison, burn, freeze or put the opponent to sleep. Accuracy = 60. PP = 10.
- Fairy Wind: 10% chance to raise all of the user's stats. Pwr = 75, Acc = 100, PP = 5, Type = Special.

Spoiler:

With that being said I think that Ancient Power, Ominous Wind, and Silver Wind should either have 75 BP and 5PP or 60BP and 10PP.
Also, I think Golden Bubble, Gold Leaf, and Golden Flame should be the water, grass, and fire versions of these.


- Swift should be changed to Fairy Type.
- Star Kick: Fairy version of Double Kick. Pwr = 50, Acc = 80, PP = 10, Type = Physical (direct).

Spoiler:
The reason it's so high powered is because I assume Fairy types won't have a very good attack stat, so this makes the move more useful for them.


- Star Punch: 10% chance to lower the foe's attack by one stage. Pwr = 90, Acc = 100, PP = 10, Type = Physical (direct).
- Star Drop: Fairy version of Draco Meteor. Pwr = 140, Acc = 90, PP = 5, Type = Special.
- Starburst: Fairy version of Fire Blast except it has a 10% chance to lower the foe's attack by one stage. Pwr = 120, Acc = 80, PP = 5, Type = Special.

... A lot of the inspiration came from Swift =P ...

- Rainbow Beam: 10% chance to confuse the foe. Pwr = 95, Acc = 100, PP = 10, Type = Special.

There's a lot they could do with Fairy moves to be honest.

Also, I think:

- They should be weak to Poison and Steel.
- They should do no damage to Normal types. (if "normal" people don't believe in ghosts, they shouldn't believe in fairies either.)
- They should be super effective against Dragon and Dark types.
- They should be resistant to Dragon moves or immune?
- They should be resisted by Steel and maybe also Poison types.

These are mainly for balancing purposes (they don't have to make sense. Bug on Psychic and Dark didn't :/)

Wobbu July 20th, 2013 10:43 PM

I don't really think any existing moves will be changed to the Fairy type. I don't know any moves that need to be changed, and I didn't think changing Bite to the Dark type was necessary...

PixelWarrior July 21st, 2013 2:51 AM

Fairy type is going to benefit the competitive battling community in a big way. Dragon types are a staple on every team nowadays, as their power and bulk are unmatched. Now, I see fairies becoming staples as well as the most reliable dragon counters, beating even Ice types that would take down their own dragon team-mates. I can see where people that think it will negatively effect the competitive scene are coming from, but I still think it won't be a bad thing at all.

I think it wasn't 'needed', per say, but I think a little spice was a smart decision. This generation is obviously a new chapter in the book of Pokemon with ditching the spriting art-style and now this new type release, and to me it's very positive. Changing things up will bring new spark to veteran Pokemon gamers and attract newer people to the franchise. The game would've been alright without it, but like I mentioned before, I think it will only benefit this gen.

Actually, I don't like the name fairy that much. The term is used in lots of other games and activities similar to it, such as Yu-gi-oh! and the connotation of fairy didn't work too well with Pokemon, imo. Light type would have been a better fit just because of the way pokemon types have been laid out. Had dark types been named demon type or something of that sort, fairy would be a much easier choice to understand. Anyway, the name doesn't matter at all in the long run, haha.

I love the strengths Fairies currently possess. Being able to hit dragons hard as well as ice types will make it an extremely popular competitive type choice and obviously be valuable in game as well. The rumored weaknesses are understandable and work for me. Poison is an underrated and mostly ignored type except for when it's paired with grass or another type, but now it becomes a counter to the dragon slayer, which means more people will consider poison types for their team. Steel is already a popular type for their natural bulk and enormous list of resistances, but I actually like that they'll be super-effective against Fairy, just because when it comes to using steel-type moves for super-effective damage... It's not that common.

A number of pokemon will be thrown into this typing, and some of them are blatanly obvious (i.e. Clefairy line), but the reveal of Marill being a fairy type hints that there will be some unexpected fairies in the game as well. It'll be interesting to see which pokemon they decide to convert.

WishCookie July 21st, 2013 3:23 AM

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Originally Posted by PixelWarrior (Post 7745668)
Actually, I don't like the name fairy that much. The term is used in lots of other games and activities similar to it, such as Yu-gi-oh! and the connotation of fairy didn't work too well with Pokemon, imo. Light type would have been a better fit just because of the way pokemon types have been laid out. Had dark types been named demon type or something of that sort, fairy would be a much easier choice to understand. Anyway, the name doesn't matter at all in the long run, haha.

I wouldn't mind to have the Light Type instead of Fairy but like I've said before, the Electric Type is already classified as Light.

Sabrewulf238 July 21st, 2013 3:24 AM

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Originally Posted by dragonomega (Post 7745455)
I meant that if Fairy type was around at the start then a lot of Normal type moves and Pokemon would be Fairy type. Placeholder may have been the wrong word to use but I can't think of the word rn. :( Hopefully you understand, lmao.

You mean that Normal was used for lack of a more appropriate typing?

I can see that, there's definitely two kinds of normal types. The cutesy/magical looking ones (Jigglypuff, Audino) and the average animal looking ones. (Zigzagoon, Ursaring)

Looking at it that way you could say they had the Fairy type in mind right from the start.

Salt-the-Sloth July 21st, 2013 3:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7745109)
Actually in the original version it was the Sirens, bird like woman who lead naval man (pirates, sea merchants, etc.) to their doom. Their voices in some versions are said to have had the secrets of the universe. Would be nice if there was a Pokémon based on them, or a Harpy.

Wait really? I remember the crew putting ear wax on their ears as they sailed so they wouldn't hear the mermaids...but I might be wrong haha. I really want a "pixie" Pokemon, but I'm unsure of how they'd do it without making it too human-like.
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Originally Posted by Iceman3317 (Post 7745145)
Also, another pokemon that could be part fairy would be Chimecho as a Psy/Fairy.

I feel like we're going to get heaps of Psychic/Fairy Pokemon..
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Originally Posted by WishCookie (Post 7745680)
I wouldn't mind to have the Light Type instead of Fairy but like I've said before, the Electric Type is already classified as Light.

Wait wasn't it Psychic? Because Light x Dark ?

MarinoKadame July 21st, 2013 3:47 AM

I hope there will be enough moves for Fairy, also it seems most people want Fairie to have lot of weaknesses to make other types more powerful.

Off-Topic: That new theme hurt my eyes good thing I can change it.

WishCookie July 21st, 2013 6:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Salt-the-Sloth (Post 7745694)
Wait wasn't it Psychic? Because Light x Dark ?

Nope, its Electric type.
Electric Pokémon represent electricity, electrical energy, and light.

GoGoJJTech July 24th, 2013 1:30 PM

What will Arceus look like in it's fairy forme? 0.O

Silais July 24th, 2013 1:39 PM

I like the idea of a fairy type, but not that they're super effective against dragons. Can you imagine a tiny little Clefairy or Jigglypuff destroying a Hydreigon or Dragonite? It just doesn't seem right. I'd think that fairy types would be super effective against dark types or ghost types, but not dragon types.

Xander Olivieri July 24th, 2013 1:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Silais (Post 7750799)
I like the idea of a fairy type, but not that they're super effective against dragons. Can you imagine a tiny little Clefairy or Jigglypuff destroying a Hydreigon or Dragonite? It just doesn't seem right. I'd think that fairy types would be super effective against dark types or ghost types, but not dragon types.

Stat wise they won't be able to. Which is possibly the dumbest thing majority of the fans are showing. A Clefairy, despite having potential STAB and Advantage against a Dragon will not be a match for a Pseudo Dragon. 600 BST Pseudo compared to Clefairy's 323 BST. It would get wrecked in a heartbeat. So far only 2 really stand any chance of survival Gardevoir and Sylveon. Based on research I did, unless a Physical Fairy Type Move comes out even Azumarill won't really be that much of a threat despite its competitive uses. Since its primarily a Physical attacker thanks to its ability, if majority of Fairy attacks are special Azumarill won't get a lot of potential moves to use.

Hikamaru July 24th, 2013 2:36 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7750822)
Stat wise they won't be able to. Which is possibly the dumbest thing majority of the fans are showing. A Clefairy, despite having potential STAB and Advantage against a Dragon will not be a match for a Pseudo Dragon. 600 BST Pseudo compared to Clefairy's 323 BST. It would get wrecked in a heartbeat. So far only 2 really stand any chance of survival Gardevoir and Sylveon. Based on research I did, unless a Physical Fairy Type Move comes out even Azumarill won't really be that much of a threat despite its competitive uses. Since its primarily a Physical attacker thanks to its ability, if majority of Fairy attacks are special Azumarill won't get a lot of potential moves to use.

I do think I sorta agree with Xander, I could see most Fairy attacks being special-based, which I think Fairy Wind and Moonblast are likely to me. Draining Kiss looks sorta like it will be physical because in that scene were Swirlix was using it looked it made contact with the opponent. If Azumarill doesn't get a decent physical Fairy attack it may not get to OU like many people would hope.

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Originally Posted by gogojjtech (Post 7750785)
What will Arceus look like in it's fairy forme? 0.O

Yeah given it's likely they will introduce a new form and that also means a new plate.

Salt-the-Sloth July 24th, 2013 10:26 PM

I just don't understand how so many people say Fairy > Dragon is stupid. Guys, Hydreigon is weak to Joltik. So shh.

Xander Olivieri July 25th, 2013 1:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Salt-the-Sloth (Post 7751417)
I just don't understand how so many people say Fairy > Dragon is stupid. Guys, Hydreigon is weak to Joltik. So shh.

Hydriegon is weak to Bug type due to its Dark Typing. Its not weak to Joltik in any way shape or form since Joltik isn't a type. Even stat wise Hydreigon doesn't even have to use a decent attack to knock it out. A mediocre attack will suffice, but this is not the case of Bug beating dragon as Hydreigon is the only dragon that is weak to Bug type pokemon. Fairy on the other hand effects all dragons despite common lore of Fairies living in fear and being hunted by dragons not to mention them being nearly powerless as Dragons are supposed to be nearly impervious to highly resistant against magic.

So its not a matter of one being effected, its a matter of all of them having a non-supported weakness added in for the sake of adding a weakness and nothing else. That is why we complain about it.

Salt-the-Sloth July 26th, 2013 5:24 AM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7752385)
Hydriegon is weak to Bug type due to its Dark Typing. Its not weak to Joltik in any way shape or form since Joltik isn't a type. Even stat wise Hydreigon doesn't even have to use a decent attack to knock it out. A mediocre attack will suffice, but this is not the case of Bug beating dragon as Hydreigon is the only dragon that is weak to Bug type pokemon. Fairy on the other hand effects all dragons despite common lore of Fairies living in fear and being hunted by dragons not to mention them being nearly powerless as Dragons are supposed to be nearly impervious to highly resistant against magic.

So its not a matter of one being effected, its a matter of all of them having a non-supported weakness added in for the sake of adding a weakness and nothing else. That is why we complain about it.

You misinterpret. "Fairy-haters" complain about Fairy > Dragon being stupid as they say "Now Jigglypuff has an advantage over Dragonite, tiny cute Pokemon strong against superior dragons make no sense". There are heaps of examples were this is already evident in Pokemon, so why start complaining now?
Also, there are so much type advantages and disadvantages in Pokemon that don't make sense. If anything, Fairy > Dragon is one of the more logical typings. The fairy bestows magic on the weapon to slay the dragon. It's similar to how Psychic and Fighting work, Mind > Matter. Magic > Might.

Xander Olivieri July 26th, 2013 8:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Salt-the-Sloth (Post 7753350)
You misinterpret. "Fairy-haters" complain about Fairy > Dragon being stupid as they say "Now Jigglypuff has an advantage over Dragonite, tiny cute Pokemon strong against superior dragons make no sense". There are heaps of examples were this is already evident in Pokemon, so why start complaining now?
Also, there are so much type advantages and disadvantages in Pokemon that don't make sense. If anything, Fairy > Dragon is one of the more logical typings. The fairy bestows magic on the weapon to slay the dragon. It's similar to how Psychic and Fighting work, Mind > Matter. Magic > Might.

No, I did not misinterpret anything. Jigglypuff, like Joltik, will not have any major effect on how the game plays. Fairy is where the fairy hate lies. The cutes are posted for fun but have little to do with the actual compliant for the type match-up. Marill and Jigglypuff will not have any real effect on dragon even with their new type unless you are in nfe battles. Even the jokes are midly funny if not somewhat annoying.

As for type match-ups, none from the past make less sense than fairy being stronger than Dragons. When Dragons are evil in lore, fairies are weak, frail pathetic creatures that trick humans into killing dragons for them since they are powerless against dragons themselves. When fairies are evil, they go out of thier way to avoid confronting dragons because they are powerless against them.

As for Magic>Might...no just no. A dragon IS the embodiment of magic. It is a being of pure magic and are impervious to direct assaults of magical kinds. Most media Dragons are highly resistant to magic. So there is nothing that can be pulled up that makes fairy strong against dragons make any sense. Gamefreak even said only reason it exists is because they wanted something to be stronger than Dragons.

Salt-the-Sloth July 26th, 2013 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7753511)
No, I did not misinterpret anything. Jigglypuff, like Joltik, will not have any major effect on how the game plays. Fairy is where the fairy hate lies. The cutes are posted for fun but have little to do with the actual compliant for the type match-up. Marill and Jigglypuff will not have any real effect on dragon even with their new type unless you are in nfe battles. Even the jokes are midly funny if not somewhat annoying.

As for type match-ups, none from the past make less sense than fairy being stronger than Dragons. When Dragons are evil in lore, fairies are weak, frail pathetic creatures that trick humans into killing dragons for them since they are powerless against dragons themselves. When fairies are evil, they go out of thier way to avoid confronting dragons because they are powerless against them.

As for Magic>Might...no just no. A dragon IS the embodiment of magic. It is a being of pure magic and are impervious to direct assaults of magical kinds. Most media Dragons are highly resistant to magic. So there is nothing that can be pulled up that makes fairy strong against dragons make any sense. Gamefreak even said only reason it exists is because they wanted something to be stronger than Dragons.

"Gamefreak even said only reason it exists is because they wanted something to be stronger than Dragons" No they didn't. It wasn't "Here's a new type solely introduce to balance out Dragons, the Fairy type". Also, if that's the only reason they introduced this type, then why Fairy? If the only reason they introduced a new type was to balance dragons, then it could have been a different type entirely. You honestly think GameFreak would make the new type "Fairy" just for the sake of it? No. They obviously used Fairy intentially because it fits.


And don't give me the whole "dragons are imperious to magic". In most fairy tales the only way to defeat the dragon is to use magic-based weapons. This is evident in SO many japanese stories, games, myths, anime etc. In Fire Emblem, there's always a sword with the sole purpose to defeat dragons with a description like "embroidered with ancient magic/ sword from the gods to slay dragons." Fairy Tail, an anime created in Japan, are about Dragons only being able to be defeated using Dragon Slaying Magic, which many of the members in Fairy Tail possess. In Pokemon, Dragon is weak to Dragon, Ice, and Fairy. If we are basing these type advantages/disadvantages on other examples of Fairy and Dragons, it only fits perfectly.


Also, if Dragons are immune to magic, then what is Ice? Why is Ice strong against Dragon? Because it freezes them? If you say Ice has nothing to do with magic and such, then we can say the same thing about Fairy. Why? Because in the Pokemon World, Ice, Dragons and Fairies are whatever GameFreak wants them to be. GameFreak has told us that in the Pokemon World, Fairies are strong against Dragons. We can't argue this is stupid or makes no sense because it just is. It'd be like saying that trees giving out oxygen and taking in CO2 makes no sense. Just accept it, because I'm 99.99999% sure that GameFreak aren't going to change this because of a few close-minded haters/fans.

Mithel_Celestia July 27th, 2013 5:43 AM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7753511)
A dragon IS the embodiment of magic. It is a being of pure magic and are impervious to direct assaults of magical kinds. Most media Dragons are highly resistant to magic. So there is nothing that can be pulled up that makes fairy strong against dragons make any sense.

^This makes the most sense if you consider the 4 elemental types (electrice, fire, water, grass) as magical or "mage" abilities...that is all I'm pointing here.

DarkfoolDave July 27th, 2013 6:14 AM

Do you think maybe they'lll change existing moves to fairy-type? Like how Bite and Gust went from normal to Dark and Flying, respectively? I'm thinking moves like Moonlight, Wish, maybe even Flash if they agree to let dubbers decide to call it Light (which they may want to do).

Xander Olivieri July 27th, 2013 6:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Salt-the-Sloth (Post 7754525)
"Gamefreak even said only reason it exists is because they wanted something to be stronger than Dragons" No they didn't. It wasn't "Here's a new type solely introduce to balance out Dragons, the Fairy type". Also, if that's the only reason they introduced this type, then why Fairy? If the only reason they introduced a new type was to balance dragons, then it could have been a different type entirely. You honestly think GameFreak would make the new type "Fairy" just for the sake of it? No. They obviously used Fairy intentially because it fits.

Ya it was asked at E3 why Fairy existed.

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Q - Will there be a story reason why Fairy-type will all of a sudden exist?
A - When we first decided we wanted to bring the type into the world, we wanted to find a way to balance the stength of the Dragon type. But no one wants us to weaken the Dragon-type Pokemon, so we decided to come up with something that could go against a Dragon, so that's why we came up with the Fairy-type.
They asked to explain why Fairy existed in the game. Their answer, we wanted to weaken Dragon without actually changing their stats so we created a new type to balance Dragon out more. The entire discussion was about adding a new weakness to Dragon Types so they made Fairy Type. Fairy Type exists to directly combat Dragon types. That was their purpose of being created.


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Originally Posted by Salt-the-Sloth (Post 7754525)
And don't give me the whole "dragons are imperious to magic". In most fairy tales the only way to defeat the dragon is to use magic-based weapons. This is evident in SO many japanese stories, games, myths, anime etc. In Fire Emblem, there's always a sword with the sole purpose to defeat dragons with a description like "embroidered with ancient magic/ sword from the gods to slay dragons." Fairy Tail, an anime created in Japan, are about Dragons only being able to be defeated using Dragon Slaying Magic, which many of the members in Fairy Tail possess. In Pokemon, Dragon is weak to Dragon, Ice, and Fairy. If we are basing these type advantages/disadvantages on other examples of Fairy and Dragons, it only fits perfectly.

Um no. Dragons were equally immune to enchanted weapons as they were to direct magical assaults. A weapon that can harm Dragons usually was anti-magical and could cut through the magic that defends them.. As for Fairytail, why is Dragon Slaying Magic the only magic that can harm Dragons if they are supposed to be weak to magic? And no "Many" is a wrong word. There are only 7 known Mages with Dragon Slayer magic, 4 are in a guild of roughly 100 people. That in no way is many.

Divine weapons also are not magic. A Weapon from god has no magic in it, its a divine weapon that nullifies magic since Magic is a manipulation of ones will upon the planet and no one's will is stronger than that of a god. No magical weapons in stories were ever used and made directly for killing dragons. None of them have ever said, poke it with this and it'll die.

Some that I know of were enhancements to increase the weapon's ability, such as making it sharper than humanly possible, this would allow a sword to cut through the thick hide of a dragon. A Sword that would erupt into flames wouldn't do anything to a Dragon.

And again there are no stories that exist where the Fairy is not a sniveling coward when they meet with Dragons, so no there is no sense in Fairy being stronger than Dragon.

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Originally Posted by Salt-the-Sloth (Post 7754525)
Also, if Dragons are immune to magic, then what is Ice? Why is Ice strong against Dragon? Because it freezes them? If you say Ice has nothing to do with magic and such, then we can say the same thing about Fairy. Why? Because in the Pokemon World, Ice, Dragons and Fairies are whatever GameFreak wants them to be. GameFreak has told us that in the Pokemon World, Fairies are strong against Dragons. We can't argue this is stupid or makes no sense because it just is. It'd be like saying that trees giving out oxygen and taking in CO2 makes no sense. Just accept it, because I'm 99.99999% sure that GameFreak aren't going to change this because of a few close-minded haters/fans.

Ice has nothing to do with magic. Its not magic. Its a natural element. Magic would only be classified by unnatural occurrences. Magic is a will that can mold the elements into use. As for why Dragons are weak to Ice in Pokemon, this is because of real world allusions. Dragons have no real world animal to directly relate to. So they are related to reptiles since they all look reptilian for the most part. Since Reptiles die when put into cold environments, Dragons were given weakness to Ice. Dragons in Pokemon are cold blooded or believed to be such since they are related to reptiles and cannot produce their own heat so cold temperatures are deadly to them.


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Originally Posted by DarkfoolDave (Post 7754970)
Do you think maybe they'lll change existing moves to fairy-type? Like how Bite and Gust went from normal to Dark and Flying, respectively? I'm thinking moves like Moonlight, Wish, maybe even Flash if they agree to let dubbers decide to call it Light (which they may want to do).

A lot of people believe we'll have some, especially a few you named, changed to Fairy Type. Personally I don't see anything changing type.

L0RD G3NGAR July 27th, 2013 9:06 AM

I still don't think fairy pokemon will stand to much of a chance against dragons. I think they should increase the stats of the pokemon that are now fairytypes from past generations. But this is just my opion.

aonshinzo July 27th, 2013 9:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Flamebot (Post 7755187)
I still don't think fairy pokemon will stand to much of a chance against dragons. I think they should increase the stats of the pokemon that are now fairytypes from past generations. But this is just my opion.

We don't even know the stats of ANY new fairies or how many they'll be saying they don't stand a chance is jumping the gun a little bit don't you think.....

L0RD G3NGAR July 27th, 2013 9:35 AM

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Originally Posted by aonshinzo (Post 7755207)
We don't even know the stats of ANY new fairies or how many they'll be saying they don't stand a chance is jumping the gun a little bit don't you think.....


No, I'm talking about pokemon from the past generations that are now fairy type. I honestly don't think gamefreak will change thier stats. Tho some of the new fairy pokemon might be stronger when they're releqsed. But I'm talking about the previous pokemon. Tho if they did infact change the stats of previous pokemon the are now fairys, then it will be alittle better. Ethier way, I'm stating what I think. You don't have to agree or disagree. Feel free to do which ever tho. I don't care.

Xander Olivieri July 27th, 2013 4:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Flamebot (Post 7755227)
No, I'm talking about pokemon from the past generations that are now fairy type. I honestly don't think gamefreak will change thier stats. Tho some of the new fairy pokemon might be stronger when they're releqsed. But I'm talking about the previous pokemon. Tho if they did infact change the stats of previous pokemon the are now fairys, then it will be alittle better. Ethier way, I'm stating what I think. You don't have to agree or disagree. Feel free to do which ever tho. I don't care.

If we get worth while physical Fairy attacks, Marill/Azumarill could get a boost. If none they may not get any boost. Gardevior may get a boost based on the videos. I don't see much, OU maybe...if she's not already there.

Salt-the-Sloth July 27th, 2013 6:34 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7755687)
If we get worth while physical Fairy attacks, Marill/Azumarill could get a boost. If none they may not get any boost. Gardevior may get a boost based on the videos. I don't see much, OU maybe...if she's not already there.

I hope Gardevoir does get a boost, she's just plain awesome and deserves a place in higher tiers. Right now she's NU :/.

Depending on how Fairy-Type moves are defensively, I don't see much change for Azumarill. A lot Azumarills carry Ice Punch, which do x4 to most dragons, whereas a STAB Fairy Move would do x3. But again, it all depends on Fairy's other offensive and defensive capabilities.

As for our Fairy > Dragon discussion, let's put it off until the release of Pokemon X and Y, when we have more Fairy Pokemon revealed, when we find out their base stats and when we find out how they fare in the story and metagame.

Mecheon July 28th, 2013 1:55 AM

I'm okay with the "Fairy" type, but I would seriously question GF's character if it used this as a platform to launch a certain massive stereotype into the game as a (few) humanshape pokemon.

I'm hoping that when GF creates Fairy-Type pokemon, it won't confine the type to the cute & cuddly. "Fairy" encompasses impish mythological beings like goblins, gremlins, and trolls, too. In fact, Fairies are divided into a seelie court (light) and unseelie court (dark). It wouldn't be right to equate "Fairy" to "Light."

I'm also hoping that with the introduction of new types, the list of Normal-type pokemon and moves get(s) shorter (as more are converted to a real category that does not scream, "Generic!") The Fairy-type, in this way, is something I welcome.

BubbleBeams July 28th, 2013 3:29 AM

For a long time I was objecting to having any more new typings because I felt the game didn't need any and because I thought adding a new type so late into the franchise would be kind of dumb.

I'm actually really ecstatic about fairy type. I didn't like the name originally, but fairies aren't necessarily like Tinker Bell and other dainty things we see depicted in the media. And I looked into that more and ultimately I decided I actually really like fairy-type and I can't wait to raise a Pokemon of that type. Swirlex is the most adorable thing!

I'm curious to see how much of a game-changer it will be. :)

tnfsf11 July 28th, 2013 11:57 AM

They could have called it Troll type instead of Fairy :P It would make more sense to internet users since the new type will "troll" a strong type which is Dragon by cute little pocket monsters ^_^.
I can see in the far future GF making a new type called "Candy" to correspond to pokes like Swirlix & Vanillite & other futuristic pokes made after that {XD}

Orcan July 29th, 2013 2:38 PM

The effect of the addition of the fairy type will depend on the stats of the members of the new types.
I believe dragonite may remain a popular pokemon in the competitive metagame despite having another quadruple type disadvantage, as well as having a STAB type that is useless on fairy type pokemon. It has relatively high stats, a large movepool, and, if dreamworld abilities are not terminated, multiscale. It will probably have at least one attack that will be very/supereffective against fairies. Its stats, ability, and stat-boosting moves may enable it to survive at least one fairy attack and give it a chance to use a very/supereffective move on the fairy pokemon. It may also be able to out-speed a few fairy types. Having access to both substitute and roost will also be a huge asset.
Suffice to say, I would expect to see more choice-scarfed dragonites in the metagame in order for them to gain the upper-hand on any fairy-typed foe they may face.

The Chrono July 29th, 2013 3:24 PM

My #1 hope for Fairy is that they release some guys that are not just wimpy and pink.

They could do a lot with the Fairy type, including some pretty sinister monsters.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 29th, 2013 4:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Chrono (Post 7758684)
My #1 hope for Fairy is that they release some guys that are not just wimpy and pink.

They could do a lot with the Fairy type, including some pretty sinister monsters.

Wimpy? We don't even know the stats of these new fairy Pokémon...so we can't call them wimpy.
Thus far the only Gen VI fairy to not be pink is Xerneas and he looks tough.

I'm hoping the cutesy fairies are strong just to see people's reactions...

Hikamaru July 29th, 2013 5:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7758795)
Wimpy? We don't even know the stats of these new fairy Pokémon...so we can't call them wimpy.
Thus far the only Gen VI fairy to not be pink is Xerneas and he looks tough.

I'm hoping the cutesy fairies are strong just to see people's reactions...

Xerneas shows a real example that not all Fairy-types have to be cutesy and small and pink. There's actually a lot of interesting stuff this type is based around, and given the unusual fairy-like creatures in mythology I could definitely see some interesting type combinations made with Fairy as well.

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Originally Posted by Orcan (Post 7758635)
The effect of the addition of the fairy type will depend on the stats of the members of the new types.
I believe dragonite may remain a popular pokemon in the competitive metagame despite having another quadruple type disadvantage, as well as having a STAB type that is useless on fairy type pokemon. It has relatively high stats, a large movepool, and, if dreamworld abilities are not terminated, multiscale. It will probably have at least one attack that will be very/supereffective against fairies. Its stats, ability, and stat-boosting moves may enable it to survive at least one fairy attack and give it a chance to use a very/supereffective move on the fairy pokemon. It may also be able to out-speed a few fairy types. Having access to both substitute and roost will also be a huge asset.
Suffice to say, I would expect to see more choice-scarfed dragonites in the metagame in order for them to gain the upper-hand on any fairy-typed foe they may face.

If the existing Hidden Abilities are removed with this game, I could definitely see some Pokemon that tend to rely on them, like Dragonite, either having to adopt new movesets and strategies or in worst case scenarios, drop down to a tier they were present in before the said hidden ability became available. Fairy-types could see Dragonite running Choice Band sets, and if Multiscale gets removed from availability it would definitely may have to run Substitute and/or Roost.

I am still hoping we get the full details of the type matchups for Fairy.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 30th, 2013 8:35 PM

At this point knowing what we know Gardevoir is the third strongest Fairy Pokémon if Xerneas is 680 like the other mascots (well the majority), and if Sylveon has 525 bst, in terms of bst total that is. Hopefully there'll be others.

shamus24 July 30th, 2013 8:47 PM

fairy types are pretty much assumed to be the best counter to dragons using outrage etc., being able to switch in while they're locked relatively unharmed. based off the information we have so far (virtually none) you'd have to assume the most useful fairy is one that has higher def and can threaten a dragon with fairy stab or something.

Kurapika July 30th, 2013 9:48 PM

If Fairy is resistant to Dragon, they would've better chances to survive Outrage and counter it...

shamus24 July 30th, 2013 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurapika (Post 7760511)
If Fairy is resistant to Dragon, they would've better chances to survive Outrage and counter it...

well yeah, that's the main point of adding the new type. the most useful fairy, as i said, would be one that can safely switch into an outrage while taking minimal damage, and threatening the dragon enough for it to switch out. a defensive typing doesn't necessarily imply it can take an attack its type is strong against.

pridekitty July 30th, 2013 10:48 PM

I think fairy types are good. I can just imagine Flabebe using Tickle or something on a Hydreigon and the Hydreigon faints. That would hilarious.

Salt-the-Sloth July 31st, 2013 2:13 AM

I think we can pretty much confirm that Flabebe has more evolution stages, according to the trailer released a few hours ago its HP base stat is at 35...I know a lot of Pokemon do tend to have low base stats i.e. Dusknoir, but not fully evolved Pokemon.

Also, if (I'm 100% sure this will happen but some people may say otherwise) Sylveon were to continue the eeveelutions base stat distribution, this is what I think it'll turn out to be:

Sylveon Base Stats:
Hp : 130
Atk : 65
Def : 65/60
Sp Atk : 95
Sp Def : 110
Speed : 60/65
Total : 525

I definitely think it's HP will be 130 as Fairy-like Pokemon tend to have high HP i.e. Azumarill, Jigglypuff, Blissey, Alomomola, Cresselia, Musharna. The rest I pretty much based on Blissey but I think it could be like this. ( I chose Sp. Def > Sp. Atk because it makes more sense and it would have the same stats as Vaporeon if it was like that).

Shrew July 31st, 2013 3:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Salt-the-Sloth (Post 7760692)
I think we can pretty much confirm that Flabebe has more evolution stages, according to the trailer released a few hours ago its HP base stat is at 35...I know a lot of Pokemon do tend to have low base stats i.e. Dusknoir, but not fully evolved Pokemon.

Luvdisc has 43 base HP, and has no evolutions. Given how much they're advertising Flabebe as being the smallest pokemon--which Joltik did not receive despite claiming that title from Diglett when it was released--it's possible that they're intentionally going to leave it weak.

Hikamaru August 3rd, 2013 5:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Shrew (Post 7760731)
Luvdisc has 43 base HP, and has no evolutions. Given how much they're advertising Flabebe as being the smallest pokemon--which Joltik did not receive despite claiming that title from Diglett when it was released--it's possible that they're intentionally going to leave it weak.

Despite this, I think they should make an evolution line for Flabebe. It looks like one of the more interesting Fairy-types out there although I may not even consider wanting to use it if it's given Luvdisc-like stats or any other terrible stat spread. I could easily see it being one of those "novelty Pokemon" mainly to showcase the fact that each one it has different flowers.

I guess the reason Joltik wasn't shown a lot after Black and White's release was due to being one of the several remaining Unova Pokemon they wanted to reveal after game release. Its evo Galvantula was one of those revealed before release though.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 3rd, 2013 6:22 PM

I hope Flabebe has more stages, hopefully it'll gain the Grass type along the way...

Xander Olivieri August 3rd, 2013 6:27 PM

I see Flabebe as this generation's gimmick so I don't really expect any use from it.

Still hoping to see less Disneyfied Fairies and more Brother's Grimm Fairies.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 3rd, 2013 6:29 PM

I found out that the "winged" fairies can be traced be traced back to the 1800's as I saw a picture of a painting of one dating from that era. So maybe Pokemon will have one eventually.

Cerberus87 August 3rd, 2013 11:19 PM

Is anyone else NOT hyped for the Fairy-type at all?

Out of all the revealed Fairy Pokémon, the only one I found interesting is Xerneas, and that's a legendary. The rest are all tiny, cute, pinky, girly creatures that in my head wouldn't be able to kill Dragons at all. Probably only Sylveon (who will have high BST since it's an Eeveelution) and Gardevoir (who we know is a strong Pokémon) seem capable of bringing a Dragon to its knees. The rest... They all look weak and, frankly, feeble things I could blow away with a slap. I never really had a type I liked the least, as all types had some pretty interesting Pokémon, but Fairy is probably going to become just that for me. These Pokémon simply aren't my style. I never liked stuff like Clefairy and Chansey, so these new Fairy Pokémon are quite unappealing to me, even though the idea of a type that beats Dragon is quite interesting.

If the likes of Swirlix start beating up stuff like Dratini I'm afraid to say Pokémon has jumped the shark. Hopefully they evolve into something cool, although these kinds of Pokémon rarely become cool when they evolve.

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7760651)
That's assuming the power creep continues. It's pretty much a given seeing as it happens with each and every generation, but there are those that firmly believe that this generation might be promising in terms of more defensive Pokemon, rather than offensive. That said, I'm kind of siding with those people, also. I'm hoping Fairy is more of a defensive type than an offensive-type so it can resist dragons better. Heck, I don't mind if Fairy was made to tank ****, it makes it all the better, really.

I'm pretty sure Blissey will be retconned as Fairy-type. That being said, any physical-based Dragon would murder Blissey regardless of which type it was...

To effectively stop Dragons, a Fairy Pokémon would need very high Defense and/or HP. So far, none of the Pokémon shown seem to fit those criteria. They all look quite frail and weak to me. Even if it evolves, I can't picture Spritzee killing Garchomp or something like that.

JP August 4th, 2013 2:56 AM

I honestly don't think it's 'right' to judge the new type to that extent yet. We've only seen about a handful of new Fairy-type Pokemon, and even though I agree that they all look rather weak and frail, that doesn't mean they can't evolve into something a bit more menacing or impressive. I'm sure there are other designs that will look a bit more impressive with greater stats.

Regardless though, I don't think their designs should really factor into whether or not they're able to beat down on a Dragon. It's all about their stats and capabilities, at least in the games that is. I personally just think that there's too much unknown about this new type to think that they aren't very impressive. Once we get a better look at what they can do, then I'll judge their effectiveness. Right now, I'm just excited to see a new type and have it mix up the meta-game a bit.

blue August 4th, 2013 3:29 AM

I'm really enthusiastic about a new type, it has been over ten years since the last introduction of new types. I'll definitely be using a Fairy type during my first play through on X which will solidify my opinion on the Fairy type, but for now I'm pretty psyched!

Aeroblast August 4th, 2013 6:28 AM

This was just a weird experience when I first heard about it. I was in one of those groups of people who didn't want a new type. It's just one of those things you don't want to happen for no particular reason, and when it happens you just let it go.

Crystal Noel August 5th, 2013 6:48 PM

I wanted new types. However I wanted them to be light and sound. Light because of dark type, and Sound because of all the Sound based moves. Fairy is okay. I'm still very glad that I picked Y though.

Shrew August 7th, 2013 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7766202)
Still hoping to see less Disneyfied Fairies and more Brother's Grimm Fairies.

I've heard a lot of people saying how the new "fae" type had a lot of potential of the type of mythical creatures it could represent. The reason why I never had my hopes set high to expect anything besides "Disneyfied" fairies is because Gamefreak has already shown what they consider fairies to be. Yes, the egg group won't be the same as the new type, but the fact that the girly and feminine Gardevoir was shown as an example of this didn't make me expect anything else.

Branellope August 7th, 2013 8:16 AM

Potential Fairy Types
 
So this is too big to be a thread post and it sparks a discussion of its own. To me, Fairy types are Pokémon that are helpful, mythical creatures (minotaur, kraken, god, etc), and actually resemble Fairies/pixies/goblins. So what Pokémon do I reckon could get Fairy type? I have two categories for this. Ones that have their type replaced and ones that gain the type.
So yeah, here's my list of evolutionary lines that I think will become Fairy.

Re-typed
-Clefairy
-Jigglypuff
-Chansey
-Togepi
-Dunsparce
-Snubbull
-Azurill (Marill will become Water/Fairy)
-Buneary
-Audino

Gain Fairy type
-Vulpix
-Tauros (I want it to evolve into a Fairy/Ground minotaur)
-Snorlax
-Mareep
-Bellossom
-Sudowoodo
-Sunkern
-Misdreavus
-Wobbuffet
-Miltank
-Skitty
-Volbeat
-Illumise
-Milotic
-Chimecho
-Glalie
-Luvdisc
-Cherubi
-Finneon
-Uxie
-Mesprit
-Azelf
-Cresselia
-Land Shaymin
-Petilil
-Mincinno
-Gothita
-Vanillite
-Alomomola

What do you reckon?


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