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ballin'Blissey July 20th, 2013 10:35 PM

Some ideas for fairy type moves:

- Magic Powder: 25% (each) to poison, burn, freeze or put the opponent to sleep. Accuracy = 60. PP = 10.
- Fairy Wind: 10% chance to raise all of the user's stats. Pwr = 75, Acc = 100, PP = 5, Type = Special.

Spoiler:

With that being said I think that Ancient Power, Ominous Wind, and Silver Wind should either have 75 BP and 5PP or 60BP and 10PP.
Also, I think Golden Bubble, Gold Leaf, and Golden Flame should be the water, grass, and fire versions of these.


- Swift should be changed to Fairy Type.
- Star Kick: Fairy version of Double Kick. Pwr = 50, Acc = 80, PP = 10, Type = Physical (direct).

Spoiler:
The reason it's so high powered is because I assume Fairy types won't have a very good attack stat, so this makes the move more useful for them.


- Star Punch: 10% chance to lower the foe's attack by one stage. Pwr = 90, Acc = 100, PP = 10, Type = Physical (direct).
- Star Drop: Fairy version of Draco Meteor. Pwr = 140, Acc = 90, PP = 5, Type = Special.
- Starburst: Fairy version of Fire Blast except it has a 10% chance to lower the foe's attack by one stage. Pwr = 120, Acc = 80, PP = 5, Type = Special.

... A lot of the inspiration came from Swift =P ...

- Rainbow Beam: 10% chance to confuse the foe. Pwr = 95, Acc = 100, PP = 10, Type = Special.

There's a lot they could do with Fairy moves to be honest.

Also, I think:

- They should be weak to Poison and Steel.
- They should do no damage to Normal types. (if "normal" people don't believe in ghosts, they shouldn't believe in fairies either.)
- They should be super effective against Dragon and Dark types.
- They should be resistant to Dragon moves or immune?
- They should be resisted by Steel and maybe also Poison types.

These are mainly for balancing purposes (they don't have to make sense. Bug on Psychic and Dark didn't :/)

Wobbu July 20th, 2013 10:43 PM

I don't really think any existing moves will be changed to the Fairy type. I don't know any moves that need to be changed, and I didn't think changing Bite to the Dark type was necessary...

PixelWarrior July 21st, 2013 2:51 AM

Fairy type is going to benefit the competitive battling community in a big way. Dragon types are a staple on every team nowadays, as their power and bulk are unmatched. Now, I see fairies becoming staples as well as the most reliable dragon counters, beating even Ice types that would take down their own dragon team-mates. I can see where people that think it will negatively effect the competitive scene are coming from, but I still think it won't be a bad thing at all.

I think it wasn't 'needed', per say, but I think a little spice was a smart decision. This generation is obviously a new chapter in the book of Pokemon with ditching the spriting art-style and now this new type release, and to me it's very positive. Changing things up will bring new spark to veteran Pokemon gamers and attract newer people to the franchise. The game would've been alright without it, but like I mentioned before, I think it will only benefit this gen.

Actually, I don't like the name fairy that much. The term is used in lots of other games and activities similar to it, such as Yu-gi-oh! and the connotation of fairy didn't work too well with Pokemon, imo. Light type would have been a better fit just because of the way pokemon types have been laid out. Had dark types been named demon type or something of that sort, fairy would be a much easier choice to understand. Anyway, the name doesn't matter at all in the long run, haha.

I love the strengths Fairies currently possess. Being able to hit dragons hard as well as ice types will make it an extremely popular competitive type choice and obviously be valuable in game as well. The rumored weaknesses are understandable and work for me. Poison is an underrated and mostly ignored type except for when it's paired with grass or another type, but now it becomes a counter to the dragon slayer, which means more people will consider poison types for their team. Steel is already a popular type for their natural bulk and enormous list of resistances, but I actually like that they'll be super-effective against Fairy, just because when it comes to using steel-type moves for super-effective damage... It's not that common.

A number of pokemon will be thrown into this typing, and some of them are blatanly obvious (i.e. Clefairy line), but the reveal of Marill being a fairy type hints that there will be some unexpected fairies in the game as well. It'll be interesting to see which pokemon they decide to convert.

WishCookie July 21st, 2013 3:23 AM

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Originally Posted by PixelWarrior (Post 7745668)
Actually, I don't like the name fairy that much. The term is used in lots of other games and activities similar to it, such as Yu-gi-oh! and the connotation of fairy didn't work too well with Pokemon, imo. Light type would have been a better fit just because of the way pokemon types have been laid out. Had dark types been named demon type or something of that sort, fairy would be a much easier choice to understand. Anyway, the name doesn't matter at all in the long run, haha.

I wouldn't mind to have the Light Type instead of Fairy but like I've said before, the Electric Type is already classified as Light.

Sabrewulf238 July 21st, 2013 3:24 AM

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Originally Posted by dragonomega (Post 7745455)
I meant that if Fairy type was around at the start then a lot of Normal type moves and Pokemon would be Fairy type. Placeholder may have been the wrong word to use but I can't think of the word rn. :( Hopefully you understand, lmao.

You mean that Normal was used for lack of a more appropriate typing?

I can see that, there's definitely two kinds of normal types. The cutesy/magical looking ones (Jigglypuff, Audino) and the average animal looking ones. (Zigzagoon, Ursaring)

Looking at it that way you could say they had the Fairy type in mind right from the start.

Salt-the-Sloth July 21st, 2013 3:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7745109)
Actually in the original version it was the Sirens, bird like woman who lead naval man (pirates, sea merchants, etc.) to their doom. Their voices in some versions are said to have had the secrets of the universe. Would be nice if there was a Pokémon based on them, or a Harpy.

Wait really? I remember the crew putting ear wax on their ears as they sailed so they wouldn't hear the mermaids...but I might be wrong haha. I really want a "pixie" Pokemon, but I'm unsure of how they'd do it without making it too human-like.
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Originally Posted by Iceman3317 (Post 7745145)
Also, another pokemon that could be part fairy would be Chimecho as a Psy/Fairy.

I feel like we're going to get heaps of Psychic/Fairy Pokemon..
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Originally Posted by WishCookie (Post 7745680)
I wouldn't mind to have the Light Type instead of Fairy but like I've said before, the Electric Type is already classified as Light.

Wait wasn't it Psychic? Because Light x Dark ?

MarinoKadame July 21st, 2013 3:47 AM

I hope there will be enough moves for Fairy, also it seems most people want Fairie to have lot of weaknesses to make other types more powerful.

Off-Topic: That new theme hurt my eyes good thing I can change it.

WishCookie July 21st, 2013 6:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Salt-the-Sloth (Post 7745694)
Wait wasn't it Psychic? Because Light x Dark ?

Nope, its Electric type.
Electric Pokémon represent electricity, electrical energy, and light.

GoGoJJTech July 24th, 2013 1:30 PM

What will Arceus look like in it's fairy forme? 0.O

Silais July 24th, 2013 1:39 PM

I like the idea of a fairy type, but not that they're super effective against dragons. Can you imagine a tiny little Clefairy or Jigglypuff destroying a Hydreigon or Dragonite? It just doesn't seem right. I'd think that fairy types would be super effective against dark types or ghost types, but not dragon types.

Xander Olivieri July 24th, 2013 1:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Silais (Post 7750799)
I like the idea of a fairy type, but not that they're super effective against dragons. Can you imagine a tiny little Clefairy or Jigglypuff destroying a Hydreigon or Dragonite? It just doesn't seem right. I'd think that fairy types would be super effective against dark types or ghost types, but not dragon types.

Stat wise they won't be able to. Which is possibly the dumbest thing majority of the fans are showing. A Clefairy, despite having potential STAB and Advantage against a Dragon will not be a match for a Pseudo Dragon. 600 BST Pseudo compared to Clefairy's 323 BST. It would get wrecked in a heartbeat. So far only 2 really stand any chance of survival Gardevoir and Sylveon. Based on research I did, unless a Physical Fairy Type Move comes out even Azumarill won't really be that much of a threat despite its competitive uses. Since its primarily a Physical attacker thanks to its ability, if majority of Fairy attacks are special Azumarill won't get a lot of potential moves to use.

Hikamaru July 24th, 2013 2:36 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7750822)
Stat wise they won't be able to. Which is possibly the dumbest thing majority of the fans are showing. A Clefairy, despite having potential STAB and Advantage against a Dragon will not be a match for a Pseudo Dragon. 600 BST Pseudo compared to Clefairy's 323 BST. It would get wrecked in a heartbeat. So far only 2 really stand any chance of survival Gardevoir and Sylveon. Based on research I did, unless a Physical Fairy Type Move comes out even Azumarill won't really be that much of a threat despite its competitive uses. Since its primarily a Physical attacker thanks to its ability, if majority of Fairy attacks are special Azumarill won't get a lot of potential moves to use.

I do think I sorta agree with Xander, I could see most Fairy attacks being special-based, which I think Fairy Wind and Moonblast are likely to me. Draining Kiss looks sorta like it will be physical because in that scene were Swirlix was using it looked it made contact with the opponent. If Azumarill doesn't get a decent physical Fairy attack it may not get to OU like many people would hope.

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Originally Posted by gogojjtech (Post 7750785)
What will Arceus look like in it's fairy forme? 0.O

Yeah given it's likely they will introduce a new form and that also means a new plate.

Salt-the-Sloth July 24th, 2013 10:26 PM

I just don't understand how so many people say Fairy > Dragon is stupid. Guys, Hydreigon is weak to Joltik. So shh.

Xander Olivieri July 25th, 2013 1:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Salt-the-Sloth (Post 7751417)
I just don't understand how so many people say Fairy > Dragon is stupid. Guys, Hydreigon is weak to Joltik. So shh.

Hydriegon is weak to Bug type due to its Dark Typing. Its not weak to Joltik in any way shape or form since Joltik isn't a type. Even stat wise Hydreigon doesn't even have to use a decent attack to knock it out. A mediocre attack will suffice, but this is not the case of Bug beating dragon as Hydreigon is the only dragon that is weak to Bug type pokemon. Fairy on the other hand effects all dragons despite common lore of Fairies living in fear and being hunted by dragons not to mention them being nearly powerless as Dragons are supposed to be nearly impervious to highly resistant against magic.

So its not a matter of one being effected, its a matter of all of them having a non-supported weakness added in for the sake of adding a weakness and nothing else. That is why we complain about it.

Salt-the-Sloth July 26th, 2013 5:24 AM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7752385)
Hydriegon is weak to Bug type due to its Dark Typing. Its not weak to Joltik in any way shape or form since Joltik isn't a type. Even stat wise Hydreigon doesn't even have to use a decent attack to knock it out. A mediocre attack will suffice, but this is not the case of Bug beating dragon as Hydreigon is the only dragon that is weak to Bug type pokemon. Fairy on the other hand effects all dragons despite common lore of Fairies living in fear and being hunted by dragons not to mention them being nearly powerless as Dragons are supposed to be nearly impervious to highly resistant against magic.

So its not a matter of one being effected, its a matter of all of them having a non-supported weakness added in for the sake of adding a weakness and nothing else. That is why we complain about it.

You misinterpret. "Fairy-haters" complain about Fairy > Dragon being stupid as they say "Now Jigglypuff has an advantage over Dragonite, tiny cute Pokemon strong against superior dragons make no sense". There are heaps of examples were this is already evident in Pokemon, so why start complaining now?
Also, there are so much type advantages and disadvantages in Pokemon that don't make sense. If anything, Fairy > Dragon is one of the more logical typings. The fairy bestows magic on the weapon to slay the dragon. It's similar to how Psychic and Fighting work, Mind > Matter. Magic > Might.

Xander Olivieri July 26th, 2013 8:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Salt-the-Sloth (Post 7753350)
You misinterpret. "Fairy-haters" complain about Fairy > Dragon being stupid as they say "Now Jigglypuff has an advantage over Dragonite, tiny cute Pokemon strong against superior dragons make no sense". There are heaps of examples were this is already evident in Pokemon, so why start complaining now?
Also, there are so much type advantages and disadvantages in Pokemon that don't make sense. If anything, Fairy > Dragon is one of the more logical typings. The fairy bestows magic on the weapon to slay the dragon. It's similar to how Psychic and Fighting work, Mind > Matter. Magic > Might.

No, I did not misinterpret anything. Jigglypuff, like Joltik, will not have any major effect on how the game plays. Fairy is where the fairy hate lies. The cutes are posted for fun but have little to do with the actual compliant for the type match-up. Marill and Jigglypuff will not have any real effect on dragon even with their new type unless you are in nfe battles. Even the jokes are midly funny if not somewhat annoying.

As for type match-ups, none from the past make less sense than fairy being stronger than Dragons. When Dragons are evil in lore, fairies are weak, frail pathetic creatures that trick humans into killing dragons for them since they are powerless against dragons themselves. When fairies are evil, they go out of thier way to avoid confronting dragons because they are powerless against them.

As for Magic>Might...no just no. A dragon IS the embodiment of magic. It is a being of pure magic and are impervious to direct assaults of magical kinds. Most media Dragons are highly resistant to magic. So there is nothing that can be pulled up that makes fairy strong against dragons make any sense. Gamefreak even said only reason it exists is because they wanted something to be stronger than Dragons.

Salt-the-Sloth July 26th, 2013 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7753511)
No, I did not misinterpret anything. Jigglypuff, like Joltik, will not have any major effect on how the game plays. Fairy is where the fairy hate lies. The cutes are posted for fun but have little to do with the actual compliant for the type match-up. Marill and Jigglypuff will not have any real effect on dragon even with their new type unless you are in nfe battles. Even the jokes are midly funny if not somewhat annoying.

As for type match-ups, none from the past make less sense than fairy being stronger than Dragons. When Dragons are evil in lore, fairies are weak, frail pathetic creatures that trick humans into killing dragons for them since they are powerless against dragons themselves. When fairies are evil, they go out of thier way to avoid confronting dragons because they are powerless against them.

As for Magic>Might...no just no. A dragon IS the embodiment of magic. It is a being of pure magic and are impervious to direct assaults of magical kinds. Most media Dragons are highly resistant to magic. So there is nothing that can be pulled up that makes fairy strong against dragons make any sense. Gamefreak even said only reason it exists is because they wanted something to be stronger than Dragons.

"Gamefreak even said only reason it exists is because they wanted something to be stronger than Dragons" No they didn't. It wasn't "Here's a new type solely introduce to balance out Dragons, the Fairy type". Also, if that's the only reason they introduced this type, then why Fairy? If the only reason they introduced a new type was to balance dragons, then it could have been a different type entirely. You honestly think GameFreak would make the new type "Fairy" just for the sake of it? No. They obviously used Fairy intentially because it fits.


And don't give me the whole "dragons are imperious to magic". In most fairy tales the only way to defeat the dragon is to use magic-based weapons. This is evident in SO many japanese stories, games, myths, anime etc. In Fire Emblem, there's always a sword with the sole purpose to defeat dragons with a description like "embroidered with ancient magic/ sword from the gods to slay dragons." Fairy Tail, an anime created in Japan, are about Dragons only being able to be defeated using Dragon Slaying Magic, which many of the members in Fairy Tail possess. In Pokemon, Dragon is weak to Dragon, Ice, and Fairy. If we are basing these type advantages/disadvantages on other examples of Fairy and Dragons, it only fits perfectly.


Also, if Dragons are immune to magic, then what is Ice? Why is Ice strong against Dragon? Because it freezes them? If you say Ice has nothing to do with magic and such, then we can say the same thing about Fairy. Why? Because in the Pokemon World, Ice, Dragons and Fairies are whatever GameFreak wants them to be. GameFreak has told us that in the Pokemon World, Fairies are strong against Dragons. We can't argue this is stupid or makes no sense because it just is. It'd be like saying that trees giving out oxygen and taking in CO2 makes no sense. Just accept it, because I'm 99.99999% sure that GameFreak aren't going to change this because of a few close-minded haters/fans.

Mithel_Celestia July 27th, 2013 5:43 AM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7753511)
A dragon IS the embodiment of magic. It is a being of pure magic and are impervious to direct assaults of magical kinds. Most media Dragons are highly resistant to magic. So there is nothing that can be pulled up that makes fairy strong against dragons make any sense.

^This makes the most sense if you consider the 4 elemental types (electrice, fire, water, grass) as magical or "mage" abilities...that is all I'm pointing here.

DarkfoolDave July 27th, 2013 6:14 AM

Do you think maybe they'lll change existing moves to fairy-type? Like how Bite and Gust went from normal to Dark and Flying, respectively? I'm thinking moves like Moonlight, Wish, maybe even Flash if they agree to let dubbers decide to call it Light (which they may want to do).

Xander Olivieri July 27th, 2013 6:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Salt-the-Sloth (Post 7754525)
"Gamefreak even said only reason it exists is because they wanted something to be stronger than Dragons" No they didn't. It wasn't "Here's a new type solely introduce to balance out Dragons, the Fairy type". Also, if that's the only reason they introduced this type, then why Fairy? If the only reason they introduced a new type was to balance dragons, then it could have been a different type entirely. You honestly think GameFreak would make the new type "Fairy" just for the sake of it? No. They obviously used Fairy intentially because it fits.

Ya it was asked at E3 why Fairy existed.

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Q - Will there be a story reason why Fairy-type will all of a sudden exist?
A - When we first decided we wanted to bring the type into the world, we wanted to find a way to balance the stength of the Dragon type. But no one wants us to weaken the Dragon-type Pokemon, so we decided to come up with something that could go against a Dragon, so that's why we came up with the Fairy-type.
They asked to explain why Fairy existed in the game. Their answer, we wanted to weaken Dragon without actually changing their stats so we created a new type to balance Dragon out more. The entire discussion was about adding a new weakness to Dragon Types so they made Fairy Type. Fairy Type exists to directly combat Dragon types. That was their purpose of being created.


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Originally Posted by Salt-the-Sloth (Post 7754525)
And don't give me the whole "dragons are imperious to magic". In most fairy tales the only way to defeat the dragon is to use magic-based weapons. This is evident in SO many japanese stories, games, myths, anime etc. In Fire Emblem, there's always a sword with the sole purpose to defeat dragons with a description like "embroidered with ancient magic/ sword from the gods to slay dragons." Fairy Tail, an anime created in Japan, are about Dragons only being able to be defeated using Dragon Slaying Magic, which many of the members in Fairy Tail possess. In Pokemon, Dragon is weak to Dragon, Ice, and Fairy. If we are basing these type advantages/disadvantages on other examples of Fairy and Dragons, it only fits perfectly.

Um no. Dragons were equally immune to enchanted weapons as they were to direct magical assaults. A weapon that can harm Dragons usually was anti-magical and could cut through the magic that defends them.. As for Fairytail, why is Dragon Slaying Magic the only magic that can harm Dragons if they are supposed to be weak to magic? And no "Many" is a wrong word. There are only 7 known Mages with Dragon Slayer magic, 4 are in a guild of roughly 100 people. That in no way is many.

Divine weapons also are not magic. A Weapon from god has no magic in it, its a divine weapon that nullifies magic since Magic is a manipulation of ones will upon the planet and no one's will is stronger than that of a god. No magical weapons in stories were ever used and made directly for killing dragons. None of them have ever said, poke it with this and it'll die.

Some that I know of were enhancements to increase the weapon's ability, such as making it sharper than humanly possible, this would allow a sword to cut through the thick hide of a dragon. A Sword that would erupt into flames wouldn't do anything to a Dragon.

And again there are no stories that exist where the Fairy is not a sniveling coward when they meet with Dragons, so no there is no sense in Fairy being stronger than Dragon.

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Originally Posted by Salt-the-Sloth (Post 7754525)
Also, if Dragons are immune to magic, then what is Ice? Why is Ice strong against Dragon? Because it freezes them? If you say Ice has nothing to do with magic and such, then we can say the same thing about Fairy. Why? Because in the Pokemon World, Ice, Dragons and Fairies are whatever GameFreak wants them to be. GameFreak has told us that in the Pokemon World, Fairies are strong against Dragons. We can't argue this is stupid or makes no sense because it just is. It'd be like saying that trees giving out oxygen and taking in CO2 makes no sense. Just accept it, because I'm 99.99999% sure that GameFreak aren't going to change this because of a few close-minded haters/fans.

Ice has nothing to do with magic. Its not magic. Its a natural element. Magic would only be classified by unnatural occurrences. Magic is a will that can mold the elements into use. As for why Dragons are weak to Ice in Pokemon, this is because of real world allusions. Dragons have no real world animal to directly relate to. So they are related to reptiles since they all look reptilian for the most part. Since Reptiles die when put into cold environments, Dragons were given weakness to Ice. Dragons in Pokemon are cold blooded or believed to be such since they are related to reptiles and cannot produce their own heat so cold temperatures are deadly to them.


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Originally Posted by DarkfoolDave (Post 7754970)
Do you think maybe they'lll change existing moves to fairy-type? Like how Bite and Gust went from normal to Dark and Flying, respectively? I'm thinking moves like Moonlight, Wish, maybe even Flash if they agree to let dubbers decide to call it Light (which they may want to do).

A lot of people believe we'll have some, especially a few you named, changed to Fairy Type. Personally I don't see anything changing type.

L0RD G3NGAR July 27th, 2013 9:06 AM

I still don't think fairy pokemon will stand to much of a chance against dragons. I think they should increase the stats of the pokemon that are now fairytypes from past generations. But this is just my opion.

aonshinzo July 27th, 2013 9:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Flamebot (Post 7755187)
I still don't think fairy pokemon will stand to much of a chance against dragons. I think they should increase the stats of the pokemon that are now fairytypes from past generations. But this is just my opion.

We don't even know the stats of ANY new fairies or how many they'll be saying they don't stand a chance is jumping the gun a little bit don't you think.....

L0RD G3NGAR July 27th, 2013 9:35 AM

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Originally Posted by aonshinzo (Post 7755207)
We don't even know the stats of ANY new fairies or how many they'll be saying they don't stand a chance is jumping the gun a little bit don't you think.....


No, I'm talking about pokemon from the past generations that are now fairy type. I honestly don't think gamefreak will change thier stats. Tho some of the new fairy pokemon might be stronger when they're releqsed. But I'm talking about the previous pokemon. Tho if they did infact change the stats of previous pokemon the are now fairys, then it will be alittle better. Ethier way, I'm stating what I think. You don't have to agree or disagree. Feel free to do which ever tho. I don't care.

Xander Olivieri July 27th, 2013 4:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Flamebot (Post 7755227)
No, I'm talking about pokemon from the past generations that are now fairy type. I honestly don't think gamefreak will change thier stats. Tho some of the new fairy pokemon might be stronger when they're releqsed. But I'm talking about the previous pokemon. Tho if they did infact change the stats of previous pokemon the are now fairys, then it will be alittle better. Ethier way, I'm stating what I think. You don't have to agree or disagree. Feel free to do which ever tho. I don't care.

If we get worth while physical Fairy attacks, Marill/Azumarill could get a boost. If none they may not get any boost. Gardevior may get a boost based on the videos. I don't see much, OU maybe...if she's not already there.

Salt-the-Sloth July 27th, 2013 6:34 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7755687)
If we get worth while physical Fairy attacks, Marill/Azumarill could get a boost. If none they may not get any boost. Gardevior may get a boost based on the videos. I don't see much, OU maybe...if she's not already there.

I hope Gardevoir does get a boost, she's just plain awesome and deserves a place in higher tiers. Right now she's NU :/.

Depending on how Fairy-Type moves are defensively, I don't see much change for Azumarill. A lot Azumarills carry Ice Punch, which do x4 to most dragons, whereas a STAB Fairy Move would do x3. But again, it all depends on Fairy's other offensive and defensive capabilities.

As for our Fairy > Dragon discussion, let's put it off until the release of Pokemon X and Y, when we have more Fairy Pokemon revealed, when we find out their base stats and when we find out how they fare in the story and metagame.


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