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Nah December 29th, 2014 7:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Jakeings (Post 8552493)
So would it be best to level up to 100 and EV train then, or to EV train and then level up to 100?

It's best imo to EV train first then level up because you'll accumulate EVs as you level up, so if you get to level 100 first you'll have to reset the Pokemon's EVs before you can properly train it.

If you plan to battle mostly on Battle Spot, getting to level 50 is fine too.

Jakeings December 29th, 2014 7:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Zekrom (Post 8552496)
It's best imo to EV train first then level up because you'll accumulate EVs as you level up, so if you get to level 100 first you'll have to reset the Pokemon's EVs before you can properly train it.

If you plan to battle mostly on Battle Spot, getting to level 50 is fine too.

Thank you for your advice!

pkmnmaster69 December 29th, 2014 9:07 AM

Thanks for the help PlatinumDude and OrginRoute.

I'm just wondering now whether this is a good IV spread for a Jolly Rayquaza- 31/28/28/X/31/31. I sort of regret not SRing for a max attack, but I got impatient and just decided to save.

Nah December 29th, 2014 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by pkmnmaster69 (Post 8552589)
I'm just wondering now whether this is a good IV spread for a Jolly Rayquaza- 31/28/28/X/31/31. I sort of regret not SRing for a max attack, but I got impatient and just decided to save.

That spread is fine. You're only a few points off in Attack and the rest are good too (especially the 31 Speed IV). The 3 missing points in Attack aren't going to make any real difference in battle.

Black Reaper December 29th, 2014 1:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakeings (Post 8552506)
Thank you for your advice!

Btw, when using a Power item each Pokemon is worth 5 EVS. Thus a hoard would equal 25 EV's per stat. You would only need to fight 11 battles instead of 30. 10 with it on, and one with it off.

If you have Pokerus you only need to fight 6 battles. 5 on 1 off.

Also considering your pokemon is close to 100 it should have recieved a higher stat bonus than 3. Its possible you had already gained EV's from training your Blaziken.
Perhaps try resetting its EV's?

Theres plenty of berries to reset them, or you can find a reset bag while Super Training.

Jakeings December 29th, 2014 2:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Reaper (Post 8552903)
Btw, when using a Power item each Pokemon is worth 5 EVS. Thus a hoard would equal 25 EV's per stat. You would only need to fight 11 battles instead of 30. 10 with it on, and one with it off.

If you have Pokerus you only need to fight 6 battles. 5 on 1 off.

Also considering your pokemon is close to 100 it should have recieved a higher stat bonus than 3. Its possible you had already gained EV's from training your Blaziken.
Perhaps try resetting its EV's?

Theres plenty of berries to reset them, or you can find a reset bag while Super Training.

Ah right, seems possible, but I might also consider breeding a torchic with good IVs so that I can get a better blaziken overall!

Shiningsuicune December 29th, 2014 2:32 PM

So right now I'm breeding for a shiny HA bold Squirtle for competitive battle with at least one iv (sp. atk). And I want to know, how is the moveset I thought of?

Rain Dance
Rest
Surf
Hydro Pump

I don't know, I just feel like Hydro Pump could really be replaced well by an ice type move. What do you think?

Hikamaru December 29th, 2014 3:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sarahmib (Post 8552956)
So right now I'm breeding for a shiny HA bold Squirtle for competitive battle with at least one iv (sp. atk). And I want to know, how is the moveset I thought of?

Rain Dance
Rest
Surf
Hydro Pump

I don't know, I just feel like Hydro Pump could really be replaced well by an ice type move. What do you think?

According to Smogon this is the best set, since Blastoise requires its Mega to be useful:

- Rapid Spin
- Hydro Pump / Water Pulse / Scald
- Dark Pulse
- Ice Beam / Aura Sphere
Nature: Modest
EVs: 236 HP / 252 Sp.Atk / 20 Speed
Ability: Rain Dish
Item: Blastoisinite

Dark Pulse is there so it can get past Ghost-types that are normally immune to Rapid Spin. Of the Water moves of choice, go with either Hydro Pump for raw power, Scald for a more defensive route or Water Pulse to abuse Mega Launcher. Ice Beam or Aura Sphere is there as an extra coverage move.

PlatinumDude December 29th, 2014 3:44 PM

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Originally Posted by pkmnmaster69 (Post 8552589)
Thanks for the help PlatinumDude and OrginRoute.

I'm just wondering now whether this is a good IV spread for a Jolly Rayquaza- 31/28/28/X/31/31. I sort of regret not SRing for a max attack, but I got impatient and just decided to save.

This is actually close enough if you don't have the patience for an absolutely perfect Rayquaza.

Edit: Greninja'd

GreenFlame December 29th, 2014 11:07 PM

Best nature for Kyogre, just in case when I go to catch it?

Emboar December 29th, 2014 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenFlame (Post 8553789)
Best nature for Kyogre, just in case when I go to catch it?

Timid, it's Special Attack will already be base 180, so it will be able to destroy most things anyways.

EDIT: PlatinumDude is right, as the Special Attack buff is needed to take out some of the threats in Ubers.

PlatinumDude December 29th, 2014 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenFlame (Post 8553789)
Best nature for Kyogre, just in case when I go to catch it?

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Originally Posted by User 101 (Post 8553795)
Timid, it's Special Attack will already be base 180, so it will be able to destroy most things anyways.

Technically, Modest is the better nature, as 90 Speed is rather slow for an Uber. Modest is preferred on Primal Kyogre to nuke as much stuff as possible. Timid is only acceptable on Choice Scarf Kyogre.

GreenFlame December 30th, 2014 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by PlatinumDude (Post 8553852)
Technically, Modest is the better nature, as 90 Speed is rather slow for an Uber. Modest is preferred on Primal Kyogre to nuke as much stuff as possible. Timid is only acceptable on Choice Scarf Kyogre.

Okay, so just to confirm, Modest will be the best? Because I'd rather not sit through the whole cutscene pointlessly.

In addition, what are the best moves and EV spread?

PlatinumDude December 30th, 2014 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by GreenFlame (Post 8553860)
Okay, so just to confirm, Modest will be the best? Because I'd rather not sit through the whole cutscene pointlessly.

In addition, what are the best moves and EV spread?

Modest is the best nature, yes. To save you some time, have a Modest Synchronizer (preferably fainted) as your lead Pokemon before you start the battle; there's a 50% chance that Kyogre will have the nature of the Synchronizer.

As for potential sets:
-Calm Mind
-Origin Pulse
-Thunder
-Ice Beam/Blizzard
Nature: Modest
EVs: 180 HP/252 SAtk/76 Spe or 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Blue Orb

or
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
-Scald
-Ice Beam/Roar
Nature: Bold
EVs: 248 HP/252 Def/8 Spe
Item: Blue Orb

or
-Water Spout
-Origin Pulse/Surf
-Thunder
-Ice Beam
Nature: Modest/Timid
EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Choice Scarf

GreenFlame December 30th, 2014 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by PlatinumDude (Post 8553861)
Modest is the best nature, yes. To save you some time, have a Modest Synchronizer (preferably fainted) as your lead Pokemon before you start the battle; there's a 50% chance that Kyogre will have the nature of the Synchronizer.

As for potential sets:
-Calm Mind
-Origin Pulse
-Thunder
-Ice Beam/Blizzard
Nature: Modest
EVs: 180 HP/252 SAtk/76 Spe or 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Blue Orb

or
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
-Scald
-Ice Beam/Roar
Nature: Bold
EVs: 248 HP/252 Def/8 Spe
Item: Blue Orb

or
-Water Spout
-Origin Pulse/Surf
-Thunder
-Ice Beam
Nature: Modest/Timid
EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Choice Scarf

I was aware of Synchronize, but thanks for the heads-up anyway. Thanks for the sets!

GreenFlame December 30th, 2014 3:57 AM

My Modest Kyogre has 31 on HP, Special Attack and Special Defense. Its Defense is a low 12-13, and its Speed is a horrible 7-8.

Is this good enough, considering it's a legendary with amazing stats regardless? Or should I try again for better Speed?

PlatinumDude December 30th, 2014 5:54 AM

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Originally Posted by GreenFlame (Post 8554002)
My Modest Kyogre has 31 on HP, Special Attack and Special Defense. Its Defense is a low 12-13, and its Speed is a horrible 7-8.

Is this good enough, considering it's a legendary with amazing stats regardless? Or should I try again for better Speed?

Try again for better Speed. A 31 would be most appreciated.

J9794 December 30th, 2014 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by GreenFlame (Post 8554002)
My Modest Kyogre has 31 on HP, Special Attack and Special Defense. Its Defense is a low 12-13, and its Speed is a horrible 7-8.

Is this good enough, considering it's a legendary with amazing stats regardless? Or should I try again for better Speed?

You'll always get 3 perfect stats, so try to aim for 4 at least

GreenFlame December 30th, 2014 4:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PlatinumDude (Post 8554096)
Try again for better Speed. A 31 would be most appreciated.

Could I run it defensivley? I would prefer the better Speed, but Kyogre never had outstanding Speed to begin with and I'm wondering if I can use its decent bulk to run it more defensivley while keeping a huge Sp.Atk to 'nuke' opposing Pokémon.

I just don't like sitting through all these cutscenes and dialogue every time, for only a 50% chance of a Modest Kyogre, which might end up having bad IVs anyway. I know I can't complain about having a bad Kyogre if I'm not willing to put in the effort, but this one is decent and it's a legendary in Ubers anyway, so it's less problematic when it has a bad IV.

PlatinumDude December 30th, 2014 5:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenFlame (Post 8554835)
Could I run it defensivley? I would prefer the better Speed, but Kyogre never had outstanding Speed to begin with and I'm wondering if I can use its decent bulk to run it more defensivley while keeping a huge Sp.Atk to 'nuke' opposing Pokémon.

I just don't like sitting through all these cutscenes and dialogue every time, for only a 50% chance of a Modest Kyogre, which might end up having bad IVs anyway. I know I can't complain about having a bad Kyogre if I'm not willing to put in the effort, but this one is decent and it's a legendary in Ubers anyway, so it's less problematic when it has a bad IV.

You could do that, but the 31 Speed IV is still preferred on Kyogre's defensive sets so it doesn't risk losing the Speed tie against 0 Speed base 90s.

GreenFlame December 31st, 2014 2:42 AM

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Originally Posted by PlatinumDude (Post 8554920)
You could do that, but the 31 Speed IV is still preferred on Kyogre's defensive sets so it doesn't risk losing the Speed tie against 0 Speed base 90s.

I ended up saving by accident because I forgot, so I'm stuck with this Kyogre. Stupid, I know, but I still think this one is decent, and I'm gonna bring Kyogre to the E4. Since it has that bad Speed, should I go with the 180 HP/252 SpAtk/74 Spe, or a modified version of it with maybe max HP or something? I've already done the 252 SpAtk, so I'm wondering about the other stats.

nizo January 1st, 2015 4:58 AM

can someone tell me what's a great moveset for cacturne ?

GreenFlame January 1st, 2015 8:41 AM

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Originally Posted by nizo (Post 8557988)
can someone tell me what's a great moveset for cacturne ?

Here are some sets from Smogon:

Spikes
Cacturne @ Focus Sash
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Spikes
- Bullet Seed
- Sucker Punch
- Destiny Bond

Swords Dance
Cacturne @ Focus Sash
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Sucker Punch
- Seed Bomb
- Drain Punch

Swords Dance
Cacturne @ Focus Sash
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Seed Bomb
- Sucker Punch
- Drain Punch

nizo January 1st, 2015 8:45 AM

Thanks, i think it's a great moveset

WishCookie January 1st, 2015 9:02 AM

Hey guys! So I was breeding a Vulpix for competitive play with Calm nature and I got a shiny Vulpix. I really want to use it so here's a little info about it before I cut to the actual question: EVs are 252 HP/ Sp.Atk 4 and Sp.Def 252 and its IVs are 31/31/x/31/31/31. Now it's supposed to be supportive and I wonder if I still can use it even if it doesn't have that extra maxed IV on its defense stat.


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