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Keiran September 12th, 2013 12:35 PM

Yeah, unless Pyroar has an awful stat spread or a terrible movepool it will definitely be common. Its the only Pokemon to resist Fairy and Ghost, and it comes with Unnerve support. Anything that relies on the common Chople, Occa, Yache, Shuca, Haban, Chesto, Sitrus & Lum berries will get roasted.

It seems like they really wanted to nerf Dragon and Fighting, and probably did it too harshly. Dark seems to have been thrown in with them, for some reason, which is pretty lame.

Also, does this mean Metagross OHKOs itself with Foul Play? Lol

PlatinumDude September 12th, 2013 3:02 PM

In the Gen VI metagame, I can see Dragons like Garchomp and Haxorus running Iron Head/Tail just to get past Fairies. In Ubers, Dialga can do the same with Iron Tail or Flash Cannon; it never even used its Steel STAB ever.

Dark Azelf September 12th, 2013 4:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PlatinumDude (Post 7830089)
In the Gen VI metagame, I can see Dragons like Garchomp and Haxorus running Iron Head/Tail just to get past Fairies. In Ubers, Dialga can do the same with Iron Tail or Flash Cannon; it never even used its Steel STAB ever.

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Originally Posted by Me
unless we get a levitating fairy, Garchomp wont have to stray from the flawless Ground/Dragon/Fire coverage as STAB EQ will maul grounded fairies just fine whilst fire still maintaining coverage against things like Skarmory, Ferrothorn, Forretress and Bronzong etc.

Fairies niche will probably be walling weaker, less hard hitting ones such as [email protected], Dragonite, Kingdra, Hydreigon etc.

Garchomp and Haxorus get Swords Dance and as thus are harder to wall as they hit ALOT harder than the aforementioned, the former having STAB EQ to contend as i said earlier and the latter having great neutral coverage and base 147 atk.


Also super effective Iron Head hits fairies with 10 more power than Garchomp's STAB EQ and Iron Tail has horrible accuracy aka honestly its not worth using a steel move on chomp.

Id probably only even think about using on a weak scarf set or as a filler move.

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Originally Posted by FlamingRage (Post 7829586)
uhhh, no. Ubers was a rather popular metagame last I checked. There's no reason they shouldn't try to keep it balanced as well.

Umm yeahno, really go and learn about it, its a ban list. It may be a playable metagame but its just a ban list at the end of the day so it isnt going to be balanced. Did you even think before you typed? If it wasnt then things like Arceus would be banned from it lol, also why do you think there hasnt been any higher tier than ubers in any gen?

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Tier#Uber

Xander Olivieri September 12th, 2013 5:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Azelf (Post 7830211)
Umm yeahno, really go and learn about it, its a ban list. It may be a playable metagame but its just a ban list at the end of the day so it isnt going to be balanced. Did you even think before you typed? If it wasnt then things like Arceus would be banned from it lol, also why do you think there hasnt been any higher tier than ubers in any gen?

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Tier#Uber

All tiers are effectively ban lists for the one below. You can't use Ubers in anything below uber.

You can't use OU in anything below OU.

You can't use UU in anything below UU.

You can't use RU in anything below RU.

The entire concept of a tier list is an effective ban list for those who play in lower tiers.

Uber tier itself is no holds bar, everything goes in the Fan made competitive play.

You are also better off linking to Smogon if you want to sound like you know what you are talking about. Its better at keeping its play information as up to date as possible and is the leading site in terms of metagame regulations.

Clause and Banlists via Smogon. So really, read before you decide to post. While effectively you are right about Uber being a "Ban List" it is not just a ban list. In any Metagame, unless specifying a tier all Pokemon are available for play. Only until you specify a tier in which you are participating and using their rules do any form of ban lists appear. If you play NU like majority of PC, then everything from RU and up is banned from use because they belong to a different tier.

It is a rather popular Metagame list. It IS a metagame format. AND it is a Ban List ONLY if you are playing in a tier below it.

All of this is also moot when you look at "Official Metagame rules" which are made by TPC. This list has no Tiers and follows more along the lines of the "Uber" list with the only exception of ALL Event related Legendary Pokemon:
Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, Deoxys, Manaphy (Phione by association), Darkrai, Shaymin, Arceus, Victini, Keldeo, Meloetta, and Genesect.

Box Art Legendary Pokemon:
Lugia, Ho-oh, Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Reshiram, Zekrom, and Kyurem.

Leaving Mewtwo banned due to sheer power and Chatot banned due to Chatter.

Those are the only Pokemon banned from official tournaments and in official Metagames.

So depending on where you want to see what is on the ban list, depends on what Metagame you play. Unofficial anything not registered in or below your immediate Tier is banned. That's how the unofficial (Smogon) Tier lists works. Its entire existance is essentially a fully detailed Ban list to balance out variously different tournament types for different play styles of people.



I've said my peace concerning the Fairy types back in the X and Y forum. I do not see many of them really doing anything. I don't see many getting any practical use due to being fairly weak. Type is ok, but you need more than type. If they don't have the stats to back up their immunity then they won't be used as much. Look at Ice types. Its better to use their attacks than the Pokemon. If the Fairy Pokemon are weak stat wise, I see more of their attacks being utilized by other Pokemon than them.

Mawile and Azumarill being the only two exceptions but both will have to contend with their own checkers which may become more common, one for Marill/Azumarill being Tentacruel who is an effective shield against the tiny little water rodent tank.

The biggest change X and Y is bringing to the table IMO is the removal of Ghost and Dark from Steel's resistances. Metagross, Jirachi, and Bronzong lose two neutral damages and gain two weaknesses. Likewise the new Honedge now has to fear Ghost and Dark types as well.

A really good thing is Sableye and Spiritomb no longer have no weaknesses due to type match up.

MrBananaMan212 September 12th, 2013 6:19 PM

Apparently Steel does not resist Ghost or Dark in this gen. That will cause lots of chage

Dark Azelf September 12th, 2013 6:55 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7830313)

Clause and Banlists via Smogon. So really, read before you decide to post.

Unneeded really because it doesnt explain how tiers work.

Anyway, a few things

1. I linked there because it explained tiers? It would have been the same if i linked to smogon, which ill do now ive found the link.http://www.smogon.com/bw/articles/bw_tiers Oh look it says the same thing as bulba, regardless most of that was pretty irrelevant. Its even more irrelevant because judging by your posts you didnt read what i was even responding to, which my point in a nutshell "there is no point in a tier above ubers because its a ban list and its pointless it being balanced". That was it and nothing more.
2. Ubers primary function IS a ban list (i.e it doesnt need balance see: my previous post). Just as BL is to UU. The only difference is BL doesnt have a metagame. Everything else is usage based. :/
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You are also better off linking to Smogon if you want to sound like you know what you are talking about.
Ah an unneeded dig. Regardless im pretty sure i know what im talking about considering, i dont know, ive been to #1 in basically every relevant tier on smogon this gen and last?

Aeroblast September 12th, 2013 7:35 PM

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Originally Posted by PlatinumDude (Post 7830089)
In the Gen VI metagame, I can see Dragons like Garchomp and Haxorus running Iron Head/Tail just to get past Fairies. In Ubers, Dialga can do the same with Iron Tail or Flash Cannon; it never even used its Steel STAB ever.

Iron Head will be very useful on Pokemon who can use it. On Pokemon like Salamence, however, Iron tail will probably be the Steel-type equivalent of Stone Edge/Focus Blast unless they get a new Steel-type move to use.

wolf September 12th, 2013 7:38 PM

Can we please drop this whole unneeded argument about Ubers? Ubers, BL, BL2, and BL3 are all tiers whose main function is to act as a ban list for the tiers below them. Ubers is only a playable metagame because it has enough Pokemon to be one. There isn't going to be a tier above Ubers because Ubers is meant to be "a 'free-for-all metagame with no restrictions on which Pokemon may participate." The only rules in Ubers are clauses, and even then, they have been trying to remove them as of late.

Livewire September 12th, 2013 7:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Keiran777 (Post 7829918)
Yeah, unless Pyroar has an awful stat spread or a terrible movepool it will definitely be common. Its the only Pokemon to resist Fairy and Ghost, and it comes with Unnerve support. Anything that relies on the common Chople, Occa, Yache, Shuca, Haban, Chesto, Sitrus & Lum berries will get roasted.

It seems like they really wanted to nerf Dragon and Fighting, and probably did it too harshly. Dark seems to have been thrown in with them, for some reason, which is pretty lame.

Also, does this mean Metagross OHKOs itself with Foul Play? Lol

If I had to guess, I bet its stat spread will be preeeeettty similar to Luxray's. Average to poor defenses, Good attacking stats, middle-of-the-road speed, probably decent HP. I am skeptical about the movepool - Aside from what move it gets, I think a lot rides on whether its moves are primarily physical or special. If it gets screwed over in that department, it'll basically be a Gen VI Flareon.

The other big thing will be that Heatran has now basically become the God of X&Y with a 4x Fairy resistance. (Both Steel & Fire resist it, with steel being SE to Fairy) It can maul Steel, Fairies and Dragons, and is immune to the hopefully pumped up Poison type. Ground weakness is still an issue, but a balloon takes care of that, and Fighting is weak to fairy, so expect it to have great team synergy with Fairies, maybe a bulky Azumarill or a yet-to-be-named one.

Xander Olivieri September 12th, 2013 7:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Azelf (Post 7830444)
unneeded dig/10

Anyway, a few things

1. I linked there because it explained tiers? It would have been the same if i linked to smogon, which ill do now ive found the link.http://www.smogon.com/bw/articles/bw_tiers Oh look it says the same thing as bulba, regardless most of that was pretty irrelevant. Its even more irrelevant because judging by your posts you didnt read what i was even responding to, which my point in a nutshell "there is no point in a tier above ubers because its a ban list and its pointless it being balanced". That was it and nothing more.
2. Ubers primary function IS a ban list. Just as BL is to UU. The only difference is BL doesnt have a metagame. Everything else is usage based. :/
3. Once again an unneeded dig. Regardless im pretty sure i know what im talking about considering, i dont know, ive been to #1 in basically every relevant tier on smogon this gen and last?

You obviously know nothing about it then. No its not just a ban list. If it were just a ban list then you could not use anything on that list. Learn to actually read what is in front of you instead of trying to correct other people when you cannot even post correct information.

Uber is its own Tier. It has nothing higher than it because it is an "Anything Goes" tier. It still has its own set of rules that must be followed just like every other tier. As the tiers go downward the rules get stricter.

The entire CONCEPT OF A TIER LIST IS TO BAN. The tiers themselves however are not just ban lists. They are their own entities of separate specified fields of play.

Your entire response is unneeded and full of misinformation.

So, take your three points which are as meaningless as your attempt to correct others and keep it to yourself. Ubers are their own tier whether you want to admit it. They are their own form of play. Its an open form of play and is NOT primarily a Ban List. If it is, then the primary function to every Tier is to be a Ban list as you cannot use Pokemon within upper tiers in lower tiers. Ubers themselves can move off of the Uber Tier just like any other Pokemon can move in and out of their own respective tier lists with proper usage.

And if memory serves, there were two Pokemon currently in the Uber lists that, for a time were Banned from even that tier for use.

One point on a Pokemon from the Yber list dropping: Wobbuffett. It has been Uber since Gen 3 and dropped to BL in Gen 5. If it were simply a Ban list why would a Pokemon that for 2 Generations be on the top list then suddently drop back down? It wasn't used nearly as much is one answer. Its still an OP nuisance. Its counters haven't changed all to much, there are a few extra ways to bypass its ability, but its still as capable as it has been since its days as an Uber.

With Fairy type, Garchomp may fall out of Uber. Its still an insane powerhouse that can sweep through a team, but it may not see as much use unless its Mega Form provides so much of a boost that its the main reason to keep Garchomp in Uber.

All the lists change. Uber is no exception to this and still falls under use because the ones in there are insanely strong. All Tiers also present a specific Power gauge. Which is why they are banned from competing below their set tiers. Pokemon in RU are considered to be more powerful and cause an unfair gap in NU teams, therefore they are banned from use in NU. And yes that is written in Smogon in each explanation of the tiers. Each tier on the way down is weaker than the one above.

This makes each tier its own separate entity. OU consists of everything below it, with the actual OU list being the top of what is considered to be OU Standards. UU is the very top of what is considered UU Standard. Everything in OU is considered too powerful to compete in UU and therefore they are banned from use in UU styled play.

THAT is what the tier list is. It itself is a Ban list to keep upper tiers from being used in the lower tiers, but the Tiers themselves are styles of gameplay used in the competitive metagame. Uber is a competitive style that is equivalent to a Battle Royal where no one is barred entry regardless of power. It is the strongest Tier and like all tiers it will cycle in and out. The Pokemon used in Uber are eventually going to fall from grace due to system or content shifts like the current changes.

Mawile has potential to make it all the way up to UU with her new found typing, Ability, Mega Form, and possible Move set change. Azumarill has the ability to make it into OU thanks to her type change alone seeing as she already has a powerful ability.

Charizard has a chance to move out of NU and up to UU in Drought teams, and Venusaur can move up from OU if the people that use him can find him a decent move set to go with his new found resistance to two of his weaknesses cutting the number of attacks to be used against him in half. Venusaur is already an OU Pokemon thanks to the B/W update to it and it still has potential to move further up.

If Blissey becomes a Fairy Type she can be moved into Uber as her only weaknesses are Steel and Poison, both of which aren't even close to common in Uber and she tanks everything in it. The only thing Blissey has to fear in Uber is Dialga, Genesect and Excadrill. Two of which she also resists the other half or is immune to. She's immune to almost all of the current Uber list. Blaziken is really the only thing not threatened by her as he resists her Fairy attacks but at the same time he only does normal damage to her.

Blissey most certainly isn't a Pokemon that should be "Banned" as she's just a giant wall used to stall. If she gains Fairy type like a majority of us anticipate I see her moving into Uber mostly because of how much use she is going to get. The more use you have the more chances are you'll end up in the top most tier. She'd also be considered too useful to have in OU. But that doesn't say that a Poison Type Pokemon from UU cannot kill her as fast as anything in an upper tier. That Pokemon in UU just isn't shown to be used as much or for as much as a Blissey. Blissey's potential is just greater even though she'd have more counters the further down the list she'd go.

So once more, The Tier List Concept is to establish an effective ban list to balance out the gameplay for specific sets of Pokemon. The actual Tiers themselves are by no means a Ban List. They are different styles of play reflecting the current meta usage of the generation. Pokemon in Uber today may be OU tomorrow. Pokemon in NU today may shoot to Uber tomorrow due to even a few changes.

Metagross is going to drop out of OU now that he has 2 Common Weaknesses added to him.

Bronzong may drop down to NU or even the newer Tier PU as his useage may dwindle down to practically nothing since his stats aren't as good as Metagross even though based on which ever ability it has it has 3 weaknesses compared to Metagross' 4.

Jirachi may or may not drop out of OU. Eventhough both Jirachi and Metagross have the same Base Stat Total of 600, Metagross isn't as evenly balanced as Jirachi is and Jirachi's Serene Grace is a much better ability to utilize offensively. With some Poison Type attacks or even Poison Type Pokemon making a potential move forward in usage, Jirachi is an appropriate counter to nullify a Poison Attack and then deal some heavy status damage to them. 60% Flinch from STAB'd Iron Head has its benefits that not being able to drop stats doesn't.

Even still it could pull a 180 on my prediction and the opposite happen in favor of Metagross' ability to nullify Stat reducing attacks.

The tier list is going to change this coming generation. What was in each individual tier has a chance to move to either an upper or lower Tier. This includes Ubers.


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Originally Posted by Wolflare (Post 7830498)
Can we please drop this whole unneeded argument about Ubers? Ubers, BL, BL2, and BL3 are all tiers whose main function is to act as a ban list for the tiers below them. Ubers is only a playable metagame because it has enough Pokemon to be one. There isn't going to be a tier above Ubers because Ubers is meant to be "a 'free-for-all metagame with no restrictions on which Pokemon may participate." The only rules in Ubers are clauses, and even then, they have been trying to remove them as of late.

Just finished writing my post and your's wasn't there until I finished. Sorry. Still I have a lot of predictions for Fairy related Pokemon added in with support of what I was arguing. Is it ok if my post stays in regards to only keeping the discussion based on my thoughts on possible tier shifts?

SkyRyder September 12th, 2013 10:34 PM

Is anyone else worried that Pokemon Amie will make competitive battling more luck-based? Do you think that Amie's buffs will only affect the single-player game?

The thing is, is that the increase in critical hit ratio and evasion can seriously turn the, what I believe is currently a 90:10 skill:luck ratio metagame into a more lopsided ratio. Sure the chance to have that "Sturdy" effect and being able to heal paralysis might seem nice and all, but it seems to be based around RNG, which is personally my least favorable part of battling, but is obviously required to balance some things out.

Keiran September 13th, 2013 6:28 AM

Some other changes announced;

-Ghost types can no longer be trapped.
-Grass types are immune to moves like SleepPowder and Stun Spore. I assume this also includes other plant tomfoolery like Spore.
-Electric types can no longer be paralyzed.

What do you all think of this? Personally, I think the immunity to Paralyze is rather nice.

KorpiklaaniVodka September 13th, 2013 7:08 AM

The "Ghost-types can no longer be trapped" doesn't really mean much since ghost-type beat Wobbuffet and Gothitelle anyway.

Electric-types immune to paralyzing? What the hell?

Xander Olivieri September 13th, 2013 8:10 AM

I don't get why Paralysis is associated with Electric types now. If they are immune then so should Ground types since Paralysis is supposed to be related to Electrc types and Ground is immune to Electric type attacks. This is how Steel types are treated in relation to Poison attacks and status. Seems only fair that they should get the same treatment.

Status blocking now seems to be a huge focus and IMO fairly broken. Grass types are now immune to Sleep Powder, Stun Spore, Spore, and possibly Poison Powder (unless they leave it to the Grass Typed powder attacks). The info does say that grass types were immune to moves like Sleep Powder and Spore is like Sleep Powder so this is an educated assumption.

Competative wise, some Pokemon lose part of their main defense as they can easily be blocked by switching into a Grass Type.

As for Ghosts switching, it says moves, and didn't say anything about the ability Shadow Tag so anything with Mean Look won't be able to use it against ghosts...which would be a pain in the butt if you have a roamer that happens to be ghost type this generation.

Livewire September 13th, 2013 8:48 AM

I think the electric type being immune to paralysis makes perfect sense, actually. Paralysis is basically being bound by electric/synaptic charges, so basically, a Pokemon that can manipulate electrical energy should theoretically be able to control and effectively negate is effects.

Not all paralysis moves are Electric, though. Theoretically, Body Slam shouldn't be able to paralyze an electric type either. But that still means ground types can be paralyzed.

Opposite Day September 13th, 2013 11:24 AM

Giving Grass-types a boost just means that Poison got a bit better. Again :>

MEGA NIDOKING SMASH

Dark Azelf September 13th, 2013 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolflare (Post 7830498)
Can we please drop this whole unneeded argument about Ubers? Ubers, BL, BL2, and BL3 are all tiers whose main function is to act as a ban list for the tiers below them. Ubers is only a playable metagame because it has enough Pokemon to be one. There isn't going to be a tier above Ubers because Ubers is meant to be "a 'free-for-all metagame with no restrictions on which Pokemon may participate." The only rules in Ubers are clauses, and even then, they have been trying to remove them as of late.

Hallelujah thankyou someone knows how tiers actually work. http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/im-not-always-right-ecard-240x180.jpg


Anyway,

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-Ghost types can no longer be trapped.
-Grass types are immune to moves like SleepPowder and Stun Spore. I assume this also includes other plant tomfoolery like Spore.
-Electric types can no longer be paralyzed.
I kind of like these changes, it will definitely make switching into things and status absorbing a whole lot easier which in my eyes is a plus, Rest Talking now sucks because of the sleep timer reset and sleep is essentially a free kill now. On the flip side stuff like Breloom will take a hit however, BUT they also gain a sleep immunity which is pretty awesome. Id say thats worth the trade off tbh. Same with electric types.

Can no longer be trapped ? Does that extend to Pursuit (as it is technically a trapping move) also or is it like Mean Look and abilities etc ?

Keiran September 13th, 2013 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Azelf (Post 7831427)

Can no longer be trapped ? Does that extend to Pursuit (as it is technically a trapping move) also or is it like Mean Look and abilities etc ?

Probably not. Bulbapedia says "effects that prevent fleeing" which includes all of Mean Look, Block, Spider Web, Shadow Tag, Magnet Pull (yay for Honedge) and Arena Trap. Serebii just says moves, so its not really certain I guess.

Nolafus September 13th, 2013 8:38 PM

Yay! Grass types now have a major thing going for them! This will go a long way for dealing with opposing Breloom.

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Rest Talking now sucks because of the sleep timer reset and sleep is essentially a free kill now.
Are the sleep mechanics being re-done? Sorry, but I'm terrible at finding this stuff out, I just can't seem to find the right site for learning new things.

Xander Olivieri September 13th, 2013 9:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Azelf (Post 7831427)
Hallelujah thankyou someone knows how tiers actually work. http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/im-not-always-right-ecard-240x180.jpg

He just said the same thing I had been saying, that its not a ban list like you've been saying that it's all it is. Really read a post for once. Also...very mature picture you put there. You look so mature with it.

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Originally Posted by Dark Azelf (Post 7831427)
I kind of like these changes, it will definitely make switching into things and status absorbing a whole lot easier which in my eyes is a plus, Rest Talking now sucks because of the sleep timer reset and sleep is essentially a free kill now. On the flip side stuff like Breloom will take a hit however, BUT they also gain a sleep immunity which is pretty awesome. Id say thats worth the trade off tbh. Same with electric types.

Can no longer be trapped ? Does that extend to Pursuit (as it is technically a trapping move) also or is it like Mean Look and abilities etc ?

I think Breloom can gain more than lose in this case as it won't have to be as focused on sleep inducing and can focus with more offense. Toxic Orb already makes him mean, his new found immunities make him even more of a nightmare and he can free up a slot depending on if you want to continue with the current format or discover a new one.

Though with Fairy making its Debute...I guess he'll see a bit less use outside of the Spore build. It'll have to be played by ear until people actually get the gen 6 metagame flowing. Here's to hoping for a Mega Breloom for its fans.

As for trapping, its moves that keep a Pokemon from running away such as Mean Look or Block. Rumors are suggesting Partial trapping moves such as Sandtomb and Fire Spin as well as trapping abilities. Officially its only saying moves though.

Only moves that "Prevent a Pokemon from Fleeing from battle" are those that are like Block and Mean Look.


Looking up what they say officially:
(just going to use B/W/B2/W2)
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Mean Look: The user pins the target with a dark, arresting look. The target becomes unable to flee.

Block: The user blocks the target's way with arms spread wide to prevent escape.

Spider Web: The user ensnares the target with thin, gooey silk so it can't flee from battle.
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Fire Spin: The target becomes trapped within a fierce vortex of fire that rages for four to five turns.

Clamp: The target is clamped and squeezed by the user's very thick and sturdy shell for four to five turns.

Sand Tomb: The user traps the target inside a harshly raging sandstorm for four to five turns.

Whirlpool: Traps foes in a violent swirling whirlpool for four to five turns.

Bind: Things such as long bodies or tentacles are used to bind and squeeze the target for four to five turns

Magma Storm: The target becomes trapped within a maelstrom of fire that rages for four to five turns.

Wrap: A long body or vines are used to wrap and squeeze the target for four to five turns.
The first set of quotes say "Prevents escape", while majority of the second all say "traps". If its Gamefreak..I think its a safe bet that just the first one is the effected party while the second set is still going to work the way they are supposed to...because its gamefreak and they love to troll us.


As for the Powder thing...I think its just going to be Sleep Powder, Stun Spore, Poison Powder (the three original "Powder" moves) and Spore. Rage Powder they may be immune to but all that does is force you to attack the user of the move so I can't see it bypassing Rage Powder and not Follow Me. Also don't see them making Grass types immune to an Ice or Bug attack that deals damage because of the namesake.

(the powder thing was brought up somewhere else. Just wanted to move that to here as well.)



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Originally Posted by Slayr231 (Post 7831955)
Yay! Grass types now have a major thing going for them! This will go a long way for dealing with opposing Breloom.

Are the sleep mechanics being re-done? Sorry, but I'm terrible at finding this stuff out, I just can't seem to find the right site for learning new things.

The sleep thing he's talking about is basically, instead of leaving off where the counter was while the Pokemon was out, like say you had a sleeping Pokemon out for 2 turns and it didn't wake and switched it out on that turn, then when it came back out its counter for awakening is reset back to 1. So you have to attempt to go through 3 turns to awaken again.

Nolafus September 13th, 2013 10:18 PM

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The sleep thing he's talking about is basically, instead of leaving off where the counter was while the Pokemon was out, like say you had a sleeping Pokemon out for 2 turns and it didn't wake and switched it out on that turn, then when it came back out its counter for awakening is reset back to 1. So you have to attempt to go through 3 turns to awaken again.
Wow, that sucks. Not to mention, kind of negates my strategy for fire teams as I rely on that switch. Oh well, I'll figure something out.

There are a lot of things we're going to have to get used to with this new gen. Luckily, I have all of you to help with that.

Xander Olivieri September 13th, 2013 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Slayr231 (Post 7832069)
Wow, that sucks. Not to mention, kind of negates my strategy for fire teams as I rely on that switch. Oh well, I'll figure something out.

There are a lot of things we're going to have to get used to with this new gen. Luckily, I have all of you to help with that.

Everyone is in this boat luckily. We still don't even know how many Fairy types there are, what their stats are like, if they pose enough of a threat to even effect anything other than the low end tiers. The bigger changes came from the rebalancing around the new addition, that's for sure.

What with the 3DS being crack proof so far, not being able to send our Pokemon forward for quite a while...and having to pay to use the storage that allows us to port forward, not being able to RNG, and having to start completely fresh with new competitive environment, you can expect many different tactics being formed and researched.

So many unknown variables in place right now, most of them we won't even discover until we actually play the games.

Altairis September 14th, 2013 9:22 AM

Well a lot of us play on simulators, so I'm sure that not being able to RNG and pay to transfer won't affect the competitive side of Pokemon that much. :3

I just wonder how the "early gen-6" is going to be like. Remember when OU was mostly dream world, and everybody used Rain? I'm also wondering what's going to happen to dragons, because most of them are in the higher tiers anyway. I also hope that we get stronger fairies that are usable for other purposes other than stopping dragons, because then I think it might be a waste. :x

Nolafus September 14th, 2013 9:49 AM

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I also hope that we get stronger fairies that are usable for other purposes other than stopping dragons, because then I think it might be a waste. :x
There's always Azumaril. That thing packs quite the punch and, in my opinion, is almost certain to go up to OU with its added fairy type. I hope for powerful fairies as well. It will be interesting to see how they stack up.

PlatinumDude September 26th, 2013 11:09 AM

Okay, so Doublade (and assumably any third form it may get) has been revealed to learn Sacred Sword, the signature move of the legendary musketeers. I think it can put that move to good use, considering that Fighting has unresisted coverage with its Ghost STAB and assuming it get decent Attack and Speed:
-Swords Dance
-Shadow Sneak
-Sacred Sword
-Substitute/Will-o-Wisp
Nature: Jolly/Adamant
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Leftovers

I think this will see some use in the lower tiers, since Fire Blast and Earthquake are somewhat widespread in OU.


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