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Scorpiopt August 8th, 2013 11:51 AM

Localization will probably call then awakened forms ( just like mew two new forme is called )

L0RD G3NGAR August 8th, 2013 11:51 AM

Now heres what I think. Only pokemon with the right ability will evolve like torchics apparent event ability. So using a Mega stone on a torchic from your third gen that was transfered might not reach the mega evolution. Just a theory but a good one. But I just hope megas are tradeable.

DamienHelvian August 8th, 2013 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7774231)
That implication came to me too. It seems like that may be the case or they'll have to recon the Mega evolutions to fit with the real evolutions if they were to ever give them any in future generations...

So with that in mind I'm hoping third stage Pokémon are the one's that mostly get them.

Now with Mega evolutions they could use this to give the Hoenn mascots Mega evolutions for the remakes and put them in the cover to attract attention...sort of like how Giratina forme made people buy Platinum Version and lesser so (due to being a sequel and not a third version/ remake of an old game) Kyurem formes made people buy Black 2 and White 2 versions.

Though there will likely be remakes, who's to say they'll occur in Gen VI?
I think they still need to do Third-Game remakes first, Yellow and Crystal, before moving on to R/S/E

That is a good though. Maybe X and Y will have some, but not all Mega Evolutions, and the Sequel(s) will have Mega-Evolutions for bigger names. The first two will have mostly normal pokemon, and the Next will have Legendaries, to make people want to get it(them). [Leaning more towards it, Because Pokemon Zed (i think it should be Zed not just Z because zed is cooler)] And since Legendaires,for the most part, are much more limited in number, it'd fit well.

On that note, a sort of, alternate version of my Single-Pokemon theory. Maybe it will work for any pokemon of the species, BUT, like the DNA Splicers, it can only work for one, at a time, for each species that has it. And again, depending on if it's a hold-item induced evolution, which I'm assuming it is, it'll function like Battle Facility ruling, only one per team. [Of course not a lot of people have teams of multiple of the same pokemon.] Maybe you give the stone to one Lucario, and, like the DNA splicers saying they don't work on another kyurem, the Bag won't let you give it to another Lucario. Or if you can, it just won't trigger. X and Y already seem to have much more complex coding, so this isn't too far out of possibility.

As a repeat to things mentioned above, one, SUPER POKEMON, [let's just hope it doesnt take five rounds/episodes :P]
I do like the name Awakened forme....sounds much cooler.
And the Ability concept...now that makes a lot of sense. Each pokemon could be given a new hidden ability, [different from the ones they already have] and only with THAT ability, will they trigger mega stones. Then they wouldn't have to be event exclusive, but still be quite rare. They could slide them into the Dream World, or Dream Radar [if they make a new version/update the current one for X and Y] and maybe have in-game trades/gift pokemon with the right ability. [Maybe for achievements, like HG/SS getting the other Starters for completing the Pokedex]

Austin1395 August 8th, 2013 11:52 AM

Okay but, up until now, any Pokemon that has forms, stays in those forms, they aren't just battle forms. So what is the point of having it be battle exclusive? What is the point of turning my Ampharos into MegaAmpharos for its Dragon type? So I can beat the champion or a Dragon Trainer? It just seems redundant. And for the rest of them, it doesn't even get type changes, it's just a stat boost in battle and a different ability.

So, if these aren't seen as evolutions, then can I make my Pokemon "go Mega" every battle? If so, why not just make it so they can stay in their Mega form.

I know we don't have a lot of details on this to begin with but, I'm seeing to many holes in this for it to be real right now. Plus, the timing is just off. CoroCoro is usually in the middle of the month, not on the 8th.

L0RD G3NGAR August 8th, 2013 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Austin1395 (Post 7774257)
Okay but, up until now, any Pokemon that has forms, stays in those forms, they aren't just battle forms. So what is the point of having it be battle exclusive? What is the point of turning my Ampharos into MegaAmpharos for its Dragon type? So I can beat the champion or a Dragon Trainer? It just seems redundant. And for the rest of them, it doesn't even get type changes, it's just a stat boost in battle and a different ability.

So, if these aren't seen as evolutions, then can I make my Pokemon "go Mega" every battle? If so, why not just make it so they can stay in their Mega form.

I know we don't have a lot of details on this to begin with but, I'm seeing to many holes in this for it to be real right now. Plus, the timing is just off. CoroCoro is usually in the middle of the month, not on the 8th.


Megas turning back into normal seems alittle stupid. Most likely a rumor.

destinedjagold August 8th, 2013 11:57 AM

At the moment, Mega Pokémon is a stupid mechanic.
I am not sure if I would need time for this to sink in like the Fairy type, but...unlike the revelation of the Fairy type, this new ‘Mega Pokémon’ has really struck me deep down into “wtf is this sh--!? this is not Pokémon! this has to be fake!!!”...

So...yeah... =/
Me no likey Megaz...

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but if they do revert back to normal, then i'm fine with that.

DamienHelvian August 8th, 2013 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Flamebot (Post 7774264)
Megas turning back into normal seems alittle stupid. Most likely a rumor.

I stated a point for this earlier. I don't think it would be simply a mid-battle thing on it's own. I was thinking more of a Critical state. When the HP drops to critical, it triggers the transformation so it can fight back. It seems stupid. but it makes sense.

They might have small moveset alterations too, like their main/signature move [like Lucario's Aura Sphere, if it has it] is temporarily replaced by something better.
Or...the normal, non-mega forms can learn moves that would then get boosted by the type-change of mega forms. Like ampharos learning Dragon Pulse.

Entermaid August 8th, 2013 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7774227)
I was hoping they'd break the stupid clone tradition. Since they didn't I don't have much along the lines of them breaking the Fire/Fighting tradition now.

Its really freakin cute though. I wanna squish it. >.<

I actually like the clone tradition, as long as they are not clones :/

For instance, I the electric rodents seem like distinct species, erh, the plusle and minun are proabably cutting it close; I prefer my Emolga, which is distinct from Pikachu. This one, is perhaps, too similar! Though, I do think it is really cute. Erm, I am so-so on this guy.

The rabbit pokemon, of which I didn't really look at inially do to the utter shock and dismay of the Mega crap. I love those couple little spots on its leg. Its a great subtle touch. With those ears, it looks like it will dig using them, which is way too cute! Despite having a bidoofy vibe, it actually comes across as derpy-cute, rather than plain ol' derpy. I can't wait to see its evolution, like speculated by others a normal/ground type seems likely. I also agree that it could be our regional normal first route normal. Though, it's not quite a rodent, and I prefer the brown palette for this spot. Though, of course, Ratatta was purple. This is the only thing I am 100% happy with about this reveal. But nothing can remedy the Megabomb!

The last design, of the Gogoat pre evolution was very expected. I am totally fine with the simple design. I just am not going wild over it, but I am glad to see Gogoat, of whom, I just "like" will not be a standalone.

Scorpiopt August 8th, 2013 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by destinedjagold (Post 7774269)

edit...
but if they do revert back to normal, then i'm fine with that.

so far all forms are reversible

jfuze174 August 8th, 2013 12:00 PM

Mega evolutions just sound stupid yet I don't mind it and they should of done it a lil different like to get mega blaziken and amphros you had to evolve flaffy and combusken with the mega stone extending evolution to 4 stages is so ehh specially if it was something that isn't broken so why fix it it's like pokemon tried taking all of their popular pokes and wanted to jack em up got them looking like digimons and what's with that raichu look alike

L0RD G3NGAR August 8th, 2013 12:00 PM

Megastone looks: I'll drawn one later but heres what I think. A stone with all elements in the middle or a pink or black stone with the Pokemon X and Y dna symbol in it.

Kitkat315 August 8th, 2013 12:01 PM

I'm not particularly fond of the "Mega Evolutions", but Pokebeach mentioned that they could be localized to "Awakened Forms" and I like the sound of that a whole lot more. If I REALLY hate one of these, it looks like they'll be optional.

JP August 8th, 2013 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DamienHelvian (Post 7774272)
I stated a point for this earlier. I don't think it would be simply a mid-battle thing on it's own. I was thinking more of a Critical state. When the HP drops to critical, it triggers the transformation so it can fight back. It seems stupid. but it makes sense.

I like the idea, it's kind of like Darmanitan's special forme thing. Though, I would prefer it happening at the beginning of the battle. I think it'll make it a bit more distinct and permanent if it works from the get-go instead of midway through the battle.

Austin1395 August 8th, 2013 12:03 PM

Well if their HP drops to critical and they just turn into this OPed form mid-battle, then the reveal of the Fairy type was pointless because now there is an entirely new set of balance problems on our hands. Seriously, like I said earlier, Fairys were introduced to finally balance out competitive battle. This just remakes the problem.

Clawvile August 8th, 2013 12:03 PM

You probably have to fill some kind of bar in order to get them into the mega form or there is an option to turn it on if you have a mega stone.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 8th, 2013 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Austin1395 (Post 7774257)
Okay but, up until now, any Pokemon that has forms, stays in those forms, they aren't just battle forms. So what is the point of having it be battle exclusive? What is the point of turning my Ampharos into MegaAmpharos for its Dragon type? So I can beat the champion or a Dragon Trainer? It just seems redundant. And for the rest of them, it doesn't even get type changes, it's just a stat boost in battle and a different ability.

So, if these aren't seen as evolutions, then can I make my Pokemon "go Mega" every battle? If so, why not just make it so they can stay in their Mega form.

I know we don't have a lot of details on this to begin with but, I'm seeing to many holes in this for it to be real right now. Plus, the timing is just off. CoroCoro is usually in the middle of the month, not on the 8th.

The early timing is due to the issue coming out early this month, the official date is the 12th I believe and at the earliest we get scans around four days (it's happened before) before so the timing's not that off.

Moist August 8th, 2013 12:09 PM

Holy god NO please Gamefreak why did you have to ruin my favourite pokemon :(

DamienHelvian August 8th, 2013 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Austin1395 (Post 7774281)
Well if their HP drops to critical and they just turn into this OPed form mid-battle, then the reveal of the Fairy type was pointless because now there is an entirely new set of balance problems on our hands. Seriously, like I said earlier, Fairys were introduced to finally balance out competitive battle. This just remakes the problem.


It could easily work like various Stat-changing moves, like Curse. Yes, it gets more power, but it could come at a cost, like someone said before, one stat goes up, like Attack, but another goes down, like Defense, or, maybe even special attack [I know my lucario would suffer, as it uses more Special moves than Physical, so losing SA would be bad]

Or maybe something like certain stat-boosting items, like the life orb. You get power, but it drains your pokemon.

I don't like the idea of a charge bar, that would make pokemon too...normal of an RPG, since that's a common thing in them. Although a sort of timer like Perish song. It starts on one turn, and then 2 or 3 turns later it triggers, IF your pokemon is still alive. [although that would kind of suck in it's own way].
Then maybe an out of battle condition...if triggered in one battle, it can't happen the next battle or something like that. {The automatic thing would make this suck too...]

Logiedan August 8th, 2013 12:10 PM

I hope it's a one time thing. Like in the Digimon World games, I remember them having this Digivolve Disk item where the Digimon would evolve to some huge thing and make an attack then go back to normal, and it was all just one turn.

But so far, this is sort of a big turn off for me at the moment and seeing 4th evolutions is not pretty. Maybe I'll get use to it and end up loving the idea, but for now it's just ehhhhhh.

Livewire August 8th, 2013 12:12 PM

Please God be fake. This is Digimon-esque crap. If his is really true, then sorry game freak, I'm done.

Austin1395 August 8th, 2013 12:14 PM

Right now I'm still leaning towards it being fake. This is still a kids game and this seems like a complicated mechanic for a 9 year old to grasp. Not to mention, it isn't like we haven't seen fake scans before. They come out all the time. And 4th evolutions just don't seem likely. I feel like if this was real, we would've gotten a video from Nintendo or something explaining things a little better. Or at least a mention in the latest Direct. I just can't see this as real right now. Too many holes in it.

L0RD G3NGAR August 8th, 2013 12:15 PM

Could be fake. Like how there was a april fools joke for light type but it looked offical. It could be like that.

Clawvile August 8th, 2013 12:17 PM

Why are people getting so mad about this? Almost every game I play has a feature like this in them.

blue August 8th, 2013 12:17 PM

I don't know whether People are branding this as fake because they don't want it to be true but it seems pretty conclusive.. Its the type of move Game Freak would take and frankly, I'm quite settled with the whole Mega Evolution concept as it's took time to sink in.

Xander Olivieri August 8th, 2013 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Austin1395 (Post 7774308)
Right now I'm still leaning towards it being fake. This is still a kids game and this seems like a complicated mechanic for a 9 year old to grasp. Not to mention, it isn't like we haven't seen fake scans before. They come out all the time. And 4th evolutions just don't seem likely. I feel like if this was real, we would've gotten a video from Nintendo or something explaining things a little better. Or at least a mention in the latest Direct. I just can't see this as real right now. Too many holes in it.

They are Form Changes not evolutions. Its not fake.

JP August 8th, 2013 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Clawvile (Post 7774312)
Why are people getting so mad about this? Almost every game I play has a feature like this in them.

People getting pissed about this does make me wonder why. I mean, this is ultimately a different type of 'forme', which we've had since what? Gen 3 or 4? Big whoop. Ah well, I'm excited and to me, that's all that counts haha.

Scorpiopt August 8th, 2013 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7774314)
I People are branding this as fake because they don't want it to be true .

This

Pokemon fans generally hate any approximation to anything related to digimon ,remember the uproar wen kyurem fusing was discovered?
Yup this is going the same way

Entermaid August 8th, 2013 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7774314)
I don't know whether People are branding this as fake because they don't want it to be true but it seems pretty conclusive.. Its the type of move Game Freak would take and frankly, I'm quite settled with the whole Mega Evolution concept as it's took time to sink in.

I guess I wouldn't say this is fake or true, rather it is unconfirmed. The leak of the cover, which ties into the other scans may very well be fake. We don't know for 100% that this is true until Nintendo or GF makes a statement either way. GameFreak has made many alterations already, such as the fairy typing, 3D Models, customization, riding pokemon, among others. These are all changes I can, not only tolerate, but embrace. This move just seems...out-there! (Not in a good way whatsoever)

Clawvile August 8th, 2013 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Scorpiopt (Post 7774324)

Pokemon fans generally hate any approximation to anything related to digimon ,remember the uproar wen kyurem fusing was discovered?
Yup this is going the same way

Exactly what I thought when I saw people hating on this.

Austin1395 August 8th, 2013 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7774321)
They are Form Changes not evolutions. Its not fake.

Really?

Serebii is listing it as evolutions. Under the X & Y section of the site, on the right hand side, the listing of the Megas is listed as Pokemon Mega Evolutions. Now, sure, Serebii is trustworthy but not 100% accurate all the time.

Not to mention, how can you say it's not fake until an official source confirms it? I feel like you're jumping to conclusions out of bias, as are a lot of people. Like I've already said, I know we just found out about this practically but there are still too many holes and this seems like too complicated of an aspect for a childrens game. I mean for ****s sake, there are hundreds of us debating over this and we can't even decide if they're forms or evolutions. How is a child supposed to figure this stuff out for themselves?

Haza August 8th, 2013 12:30 PM

Considering the extremely large amount of space on the games, I'm assuming a large amount of older Pokemon have Mega Evolutions. I think it's safe to say that ALL STARTER POKEMON will. I'm really hoping that

Roserade
Milotic
Scizor
Houndoom


all have Mega Evolutions. They'd all look amazing.

jfuze174 August 8th, 2013 12:32 PM

I hope it's really hard to get a mega stone I wouldn't mind it even being event only this way it's more competetive also if these are the only ones who get mega evols give a good reason why in the story line but if blaziken gets a awakened form than Charizard and sceptile Needs one too

Salt-the-Sloth August 8th, 2013 12:33 PM

So I decide to wake up early and go on the internet to find out my Lucario is now digging dreadlocks...wut.

But seriously, this is totally awesome! To the "fans" crying out saying their favourite Pokemon are ruined, just don't evolve/change form? Simple as that tbh.

I go on Serebii and just get slapped in the face with a huge wave of awesomeness. There are SOME disappointments I have with these though:

1. I was REALLY hoping for Mawile and Absol to have evolutions, and I doubt the possibility of evolving a Mega Pokemon, they kind of seem like a "Final Form" type of thing. Also, WHY IS ABSOL NOT DARK/FAIRY?! They gave it wings even D:

2. Ampharos just looks...I can't even. Like they LITERALLY just drew clouds on it. At least with the other Pokemon they changed the appearances quite a lot, but Amphy? Also, Apart from Zekrom ( I don't usually count legendaries ) Ampharos is the first Electric/Dragon type Pokemon. I've been waiting for a massive dragon breathing electricity, then GameFreak are like "Hey remember Ampharos? Yeeeeeeeah he's kind of Electric/Dragon." ... I'm not against ANY of this new information, I just feel ampharos could've looked a whole lot better.

3. NO DRAGON EEVEE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? //shot

Apart from that I'm all for this. I promised I'd play Pokemon X/Y Only using Gen VI Pokemon, but **** that, try and stop me from having Mega(oh god please change the name of the DigimonFreak)Lucario!!

Edit: Also, wasn't it confirmed by the Movie that the new Mewtwo was a Speed Forme? Knowing this, and If Mega Pokemon get stat boosts, I'd say they all get higher speed stats. It's a long shot, but all the new Mega Pokemon kind of look more capable of being quick.

Keiran August 8th, 2013 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Clawvile (Post 7774312)
Why are people getting so mad about this? Almost every game I play has a feature like this in them.

Let me try to explain the hate.

If they need a move to change forme, its a useless gimmick like Meloetta-P and Relic Song.
If they change forme at critical HP, its a useless gimmick like Darmanitan-Z.
If it requires an item slot, they will be a gimmick that requires a stat spread and movepool like Arceus to be useful. When was the last time someone actually let Genesect hold a drive? Never.

But if they're permanent formes like Rotom and such, they have the potential to be extremely toxic to competitive metagames. Like I explained before, for example, Huge Power Mawile will have nearly 100 more attack than Deoxys-A. AKA the metagame will be crafted around which Pokemon receives a new overpowered forme or not.


TLDR; this is either gonna be some huge gimmick or will actually destroy any worth Pokemon has at the competitive level. They should have worked on balancing the game we have now, instead of this mess.

SolarAbusoru August 8th, 2013 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Salt-the-Sloth (Post 7774343)

2. Ampharos just looks...I can't even. Like they LITERALLY just drew clouds on it. At least with the other Pokemon they changed the appearances quite a lot, but Amphy? Also, Apart from Zekrom ( I don't usually count legendaries ) Ampharos is the first Electric/Dragon type Pokemon. I've been waiting for a massive dragon breathing electricity, then GameFreak are like "Hey remember Ampharos? Yeeeeeeeah he's kind of Electric/Dragon." ... I'm not against ANY of this new information, I just feel ampharos could've looked a whole lot better.

Ampharos looks absol-utely (sorry >w>) Fabulous to me, and the changes are good enough, it's about the same amount of changes Mewtwo had.

I like all of em equally though.

Clawvile August 8th, 2013 12:38 PM

The only thing I don't really like about this is that we wont see a Mawile evolution.
And I really want a Mawile evolution

Haza August 8th, 2013 12:39 PM

I'm not afraid of a little shake up. I just hope that if a massive amount of Pokemon get these Mega Evolutions/Formes, I hope a lot of new Pokemon get them too. I don't want the value of Mega Pokemon to take away from my appreciation of the gen 6 pokemon. I really hope these are more common than they are rare, because I feel like some really special Pokemon may become irrelevant if they aren't given a Mega Forme.

classiccartoonsftw August 8th, 2013 12:42 PM

I like these three Pokemon! They're all very cute! <3

DamienHelvian August 8th, 2013 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Austin1395 (Post 7774308)
Right now I'm still leaning towards it being fake. This is still a kids game and this seems like a complicated mechanic for a 9 year old to grasp. Not to mention, it isn't like we haven't seen fake scans before. They come out all the time. And 4th evolutions just don't seem likely. I feel like if this was real, we would've gotten a video from Nintendo or something explaining things a little better. Or at least a mention in the latest Direct. I just can't see this as real right now. Too many holes in it.

It may be a kids game, but even pokemon knows, the majority of people who play it are teens and adults.
And it's not as complex as some kids games, I mean, you don't have to really THINK about it, you just...do it. There's not likely going to be a complicated procedure or anything like that. You just...use it, or maybe it's automatic.
Think about other games that come out for kids...Kingdom Hearts is far more complicated, and ESPECIALLY LoZ.
This isn't too far off the normal lines of Pokemon complexity.

@Haza, Well, most likely with the new generation, as with most generations, you'll get most of the older pokemon AFTER you complete the game, and probably further still [like a safari zone that unlocks after certain conditions are met.
But yea, I hope Gen VI pokemon get them too... Mega-Pangoro <3

Austin1395 August 8th, 2013 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DamienHelvian (Post 7774359)
It may be a kids game, but even pokemon knows, the majority of people who play it are teens and adults.
And it's not as complex as some kids games, I mean, you don't have to really THINK about it, you just...do it. There's not likely going to be a complicated procedure or anything like that. You just...use it, or maybe it's automatic.
Think about other games that come out for kids...Kingdom Hearts is far more complicated, and ESPECIALLY LoZ.
This isn't too far off the normal lines of Pokemon complexity.

@Haza, Well, most likely with the new generation, as with most generations, you'll get most of the older pokemon AFTER you complete the game, and probably further still [like a safari zone that unlocks after certain conditions are met.
But yea, I hope Gen VI pokemon get them too... Mega-Pangoro <3

Okay, fair argument. There is still one thing I've pointed out twice now that has gone unaddressed. And that is the imbalance this will cause.

Again, Fairy types were mainly introduced to keep a hold on Dragons, and to finally put a good balance on the games. Keep all the types with roughly the same amount of strengths and weaknesses, but, then the Megas are revealed and now the balance is off again.

Helios93 August 8th, 2013 12:53 PM

Somehow, the artworks for the rabbit and mini raichu look like a fan made.

Infinite Latios August 8th, 2013 12:54 PM

I like this idea. I am probably the ONLY one, but I think this is an interesting new concept. They look really cool, except Ampharos and Mewtwo, who I am disappointed with, except Ampharos being Dragon-type now. I look forward to using MegaLucario and MegaMawile in battle. The "Mega" part is kind of lame, but I always nickname my pokemon anyways. Personally, I'm crossing my fingers for a MegaNinetales and a MegaAltaria.

JP August 8th, 2013 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Helios93 (Post 7774380)
Somehow, the artworks for the rabbit and mini raichu look like a fan made.

I agree about the rabbit. When I first saw it, it seemed like something more Disney-ish than Pokemon. Though in my opinion, that's not necessarily a bad thing when it comes to 'cute' Pokemon.

DamienHelvian August 8th, 2013 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Austin1395 (Post 7774374)
Okay, fair argument. There is still one thing I've pointed out twice now that has gone unaddressed. And that is the imbalance this will cause.

Again, Fairy types were mainly introduced to keep a hold on Dragons, and to finally put a good balance on the games. Keep all the types with roughly the same amount of strengths and weaknesses, but, then the Megas are revealed and now the balance is off again.


I did address that, cost-factor. Things like this, in general, have some sort of severe cost to balance it out. And especially if the conditions are...particular, that in its own right has some sort of balance.
I personally like the Life-draining theory that I stated before. You get the mega form, but it drains your pokemon's health. Sort of like how the Life orb increases attack power at the cost of HP. And maybe even have a worse effect in that, you can't heal your pokemon in mega form.
Think of that as, their bodies, in that state, reject healing items (at least for HP, I don't think it'd be fair to make them resistant to status healing. It would TOTALLY suck to have a Mega pokemon paralyzed and thus unable to use it's power...]

L0RD G3NGAR August 8th, 2013 12:55 PM

Lol, the new Electric fairy type shares simularitys to the megas. Don't ask me how, but they look simalar. I have a feeling its final evo will have a mega.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 8th, 2013 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DamienHelvian (Post 7774359)
It may be a kids game, but even pokemon knows, the majority of people who play it are teens and adults.
And it's not as complex as some kids games, I mean, you don't have to really THINK about it, you just...do it. There's not likely going to be a complicated procedure or anything like that. You just...use it, or maybe it's automatic.
Think about other games that come out for kids...Kingdom Hearts is far more complicated, and ESPECIALLY LoZ.
This isn't too far off the normal lines of Pokemon complexity.

@Haza, Well, most likely with the new generation, as with most generations, you'll get most of the older pokemon AFTER you complete the game, and probably further still [like a safari zone that unlocks after certain conditions are met.
But yea, I hope Gen VI pokemon get them too... Mega-Pangoro <3

So true, even to this day some in the KH fan base are still confused about the whole time travel thing of YMX...And the Zelda fan base still debates the time line despite the creators having made one...Come on guys it's not like Pokémon is introducing Time travel with people who perished in the past traveling to the future, or multiple split time lines...now that kind of stuff confuses both kids and adults...

As for the whole balance thing...some say that Ice is weak against fairy...if that's true than GF is just portraying a image of balance as the whole thing isn't really balanced...

Deokishisu August 8th, 2013 12:59 PM

I was so very excited for this new generation. I thought that with the shift to the 3DS and the lessons they learned from how the fandom reacted to Gen 5 that this would be the absolute-without-a-doubt best generation.

Now all I can say is... f*** Pokemon. This "feature" is a joke.

Austin1395 August 8th, 2013 1:02 PM

Don't get me wrong, and allow me to clarify, I'm not against shaking things up or adding new things to the games, I love it. I just don't like this. (Although I do think MegaAbsol looks cool)

This throws off the newly placed balance and other game mechanics.

DamienHelvian August 8th, 2013 1:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7774389)
So true, even to this day some in the KH fan base are still confused about the whole time travel thing of YMX...And the Zelda fan base still debates the time line despite the creators having made one...Come on guys it's not like Pokémon is introducing Time travel with people who perished in the past traveling to the future, or multiple split time lines...now that kind of stuff confuses both kids and adults...

As for the whole balance thing...some say that Ice is weak against fairy...if that's true than GF is just portraying a image of balance as the whole thing isn't really balanced...

Pokemon has done time travel before though XD and personally I like the thought as long as it's not complex...
I remember seeing a GIF of Dialga using roar of time and the shockwaves were cycling through the different pokemon game styles...that would be cool. In order to get older gen pokemon, you'd have to go BACK to that generation in-game ;D

Even older Zelda games were complex...I mean, Majora's Mask, anyone?

And speaking of time travel confusion...Doctor Who confuses its entire fanbase every episode.

@Austin
You keep saying 'balance, balance, balance' but do you REALLY think pokemon would completely screw things up by NOT balancing it out? They don't make those kinds of mistakes...I highly doubt it's unbalanced like you think it is.

Haza August 8th, 2013 1:02 PM

Who makes the thread without making sure the first post has images? Anyway... they're all boring and ugly.

Haza August 8th, 2013 1:03 PM

I fully expected the boosted Absol to be Dark/Fairy... the wings... all of the extra white... that's the main flaw I see.

L0RD G3NGAR August 8th, 2013 1:04 PM

Each pokemon needing a specific item to do mega evo, seems unlikely. They'd likely need all starts finals for megas and I just can't see them making a specific item for each. It should be a ability. Mew also needs one. They're doing so much to mewtwo, but why not the original. I can't see megas being stronger than pseudos ethier, besides the mewtwo. Also they will probally release more megas. So unlikely for specific items. Imo.

jfuze174 August 8th, 2013 1:05 PM

Aslong as the game stays fair and we don't have a cheat code like the likes of hydriegon ( imagine mega hydriegon) aslong as you balance it out all will be fine on another note anybody uses that fake raichu looking mouse my raichu is gonna thunderbolt it a d the trainer you've been warned

blue August 8th, 2013 1:05 PM

At the end of the day, whether you like it or not this Mega Evolution mechanic is here to stay by the looks of things. There's bound to be an option choice on whether you want to use these Pokémon or not as Game Freak was expecting some back lash on this whole Mega Evolution concept because it does cause a huge shift in specific Pokémon and their evolutionary lines, but it's not really all that bad is it? It's something new, unique and different which is expected with every new generation, some people will love it and some people will hate it but I don't think it's something that should make you quit Pokémon all together, especially after clamoring for these games for the past seven months. There's only two months until the release now and I'm sure people are getting pretty excited for these games as they verge on the release but I wouldn't just make a strong hated statement against this new feature before actually having the time and information to form a solidified opinion on it. Obviously there will be dislike towards it but I wouldn't go as far as to say "This has ruined Pokémon" or "Oh, I'm not going to buy these games" it's just change which happens quite often in Pokémon.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 8th, 2013 1:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DamienHelvian (Post 7774403)
Pokemon has done time travel before though XD and personally I like the thought as long as it's not complex...
I remember seeing a GIF of Dialga using roar of time and the shockwaves were cycling through the different pokemon game styles...that would be cool. In order to get older gen pokemon, you'd have to go BACK to that generation in-game ;D

Even older Zelda games were complex...I mean, Majora's Mask, anyone?

And speaking of time travel confusion...Doctor Who confuses its entire fanbase every episode.

@Austin
You keep saying 'balance, balance, balance' but do you REALLY think pokemon would completely screw things up by NOT balancing it out? They don't make those kinds of mistakes...I highly doubt it's unbalanced like you think it is.

Yes but Pokémon's is less confusing xD.

I haven't played Majora but LoZ OoT did cause some confusion in the fanbase...is Shiek Zelda is disguise or did she actually change her sex (I think the former).

Time travel would've been an interesting feature...and would've fit "the scoop of the century" in a punny sort of way xD.

pkmn.master August 8th, 2013 1:06 PM

Gamefreak is going all out in these games, wouldn't you say?

I first of all LOVE the idea. There hasn't been a single idea that has been introduced that I don't like yet, actually. I am glad that they are introducing this to help banish the idea of new forms. It has been revealed that the Mewtwo form is not a form, but rather a mega evolution, so no forms yet (thank you!). I should mention that this isn't really Digimon-like, but more like alternate evolutions. We need an Absol and Mawile evolutions to start with, since they have been requested for quite some time now. I am glad to see Lucario make use of this feature since it is one of my favorite Pokémon to use in competitive battling and deserves this feature to keep it on top this generation. I'd like to see Ampharos used more in competitive battling as well.

Eh-hem. All giddiness aside, well done Gamefreak. I am looking forward to see even more features announced before the release of the game and perhaps even more mega Pokémon. But most of all, please let us see starter evolutions.

Z25 August 8th, 2013 1:09 PM

I like these 3 pokemon, I like their simple designs and the cute raichu clone. I wonder what pikachu would say if ash caught one or what ash would sah if they saw one.

Austin1395 August 8th, 2013 1:10 PM

Again, nobody is opposed to change. A lot of people just don't like this change.

L0RD G3NGAR August 8th, 2013 1:10 PM

Honedge with a mega would be awesome. :P. To the mega haters and the Honedge haters. But I'm also serious, it would be awesome.

Clawvile August 8th, 2013 1:11 PM

There really needs to be a system on Wi-Fi to kick people from Wi-Fi if they hack Mega pokemon/

pokerex August 8th, 2013 1:11 PM

Why are people saying that the mega's are unbalanced. we don't even know how they work yet.

Haza August 8th, 2013 1:11 PM

I just realized... if these new Megas are too limited, it'll be even more annoying than saying "such and such Pokemon needs an evolution..." I really hope most Pokemon are given a chance to compete with this... imagine MegaSeviper!

DamienHelvian August 8th, 2013 1:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pkmn.master (Post 7774415)
Gamefreak is going all out in these games, wouldn't you say?

I first of all LOVE the idea. There hasn't been a single idea that has been introduced that I don't like yet, actually. I am glad that they are introducing this to help banish the idea of new forms. It has been revealed that the Mewtwo form is not a form, but rather a mega evolution, so no forms yet (thank you!). I should mention that this isn't really Digimon-like, but more like alternate evolutions. We need an Absol and Mawile evolutions to start with, since they have been requested for quite some time now. I am glad to see Lucario make use of this feature since it is one of my favorite Pokémon to use in competitive battling and deserves this feature to keep it on top this generation. I'd like to see Ampharos used more in competitive battling as well.

Eh-hem. All giddiness aside, well done Gamefreak. I am looking forward to see even more features announced before the release of the game and perhaps even more mega Pokémon. But most of all, please let us see starter evolutions.

Let's not hope it's ALL, All-out...there needs to be room for new ones, don't you think? XD
Speaking of which, anyone wanna hear my ideas?

I have an idea for the FINALE [at least, saga wise]. So far the games are at least, somewhat parallel to Ash's journey, which is bound to end....I have an idea on how it should go...
Then they can make a new character for a new journey, and start a new saga and a new series of games.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 8th, 2013 1:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Haza (Post 7774426)
I just realized... if these new Megas are too limited, it'll be even more annoying than saying "such and such Pokemon needs an evolution..." I really hope most Pokemon are given a chance to compete with this... imagine MegaSeviper!

Or Mega Serperior! Or Mega Swampert!
Also I think Dialga and Palkia should get Mega's as they didn't get a new forme like Giratina did.

jfuze174 August 8th, 2013 1:14 PM

I wonder what affects this will have in the anime if all starters get awakened forms does Charizard stay with ash, will ash capture a pokemon just so they can show the new feature in the show still so much that is not explained yet

Austin1395 August 8th, 2013 1:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DamienHelvian (Post 7774427)
Let's not hope it's ALL, All-out...there needs to be room for new ones, don't you think? XD
Speaking of which, anyone wanna hear my ideas?

I have an idea for the FINALE [at least, saga wise]. So far the games are at least, somewhat parallel to Ash's journey, which is bound to end....I have an idea on how it should go...
Then they can make a new character for a new journey, and start a new saga and a new series of games.

True, ALL all out would be bad. Your idea sounds interesting, you have my attention.

Haza August 8th, 2013 1:14 PM

Ash sees each and ever Pika clone... they're never really relevant other Pikachu befriending them for a moment.

pkmn.master August 8th, 2013 1:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DamienHelvian (Post 7774427)
Let's not hope it's ALL, All-out...there needs to be room for new ones, don't you think? XD

Absolutely. I hope to see only a few more mega evolutions, but more that that I'd rather see more evolutions to past Pokémon such as Zangoose.

L0RD G3NGAR August 8th, 2013 1:18 PM

I'd prefer that it's a aability. I really hope they got the item thing wrong.

DamienHelvian August 8th, 2013 1:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Austin1395 (Post 7774433)
True, ALL all out would be bad. Your idea sounds interesting, you have my attention.

This isn't the thread for discussing that :P

@Magma, Giratine never 'got' a new form, it ALWAYS had two forms, in both the anime and the games.

@Flame, the item isn't wrong, there is a mega-stone I believe. The Ability concept is more of, the stone will trigger for pokemon with a certain ability...

Xander Olivieri August 8th, 2013 1:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Austin1395 (Post 7774335)
Really?

Serebii is listing it as evolutions. Under the X & Y section of the site, on the right hand side, the listing of the Megas is listed as Pokemon Mega Evolutions. Now, sure, Serebii is trustworthy but not 100% accurate all the time.

Not to mention, how can you say it's not fake until an official source confirms it? I feel like you're jumping to conclusions out of bias, as are a lot of people. Like I've already said, I know we just found out about this practically but there are still too many holes and this seems like too complicated of an aspect for a childrens game. I mean for ****s sake, there are hundreds of us debating over this and we can't even decide if they're forms or evolutions. How is a child supposed to figure this stuff out for themselves?

They are listed under "Mega Evolutions" Because that is what their name is. They are still just form changes as Serebii, Bulbapedia, and Pokejungle all confirmed, they only work in battle. That means they are not evolutions. Its just a name for the method relating to these six individual forms.

There are a ton of holes in Fairy Type. How do you know Gamefreak isn't just pulling our legs with them and make all the Fairies into Normal type? There are way more holes in Fairy Types than there are with the Mega Evolution Forms.

As for what it is, Gamefreak says they are New Pokemon, just like Keldeo's Resolute Form....just like Kyurem's Black and White Forms. Just like Shaymin's Sky Form. Those were all new Pokemon. They always introduce anything new, form, evolution, what ever as New Pokemon because they are in a sense a brand new Pokemon. They aren't the same as the Pokemon before. To Children they are new Pokemon and that's all they see.

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Originally Posted by Austin1395 (Post 7774374)
Okay, fair argument. There is still one thing I've pointed out twice now that has gone unaddressed. And that is the imbalance this will cause.

Again, Fairy types were mainly introduced to keep a hold on Dragons, and to finally put a good balance on the games. Keep all the types with roughly the same amount of strengths and weaknesses, but, then the Megas are revealed and now the balance is off again.

How does a new form mess with Type Balance? I can tell you it doesn't. The only balance they were looking at was through type match up. They introduced a new type to create more balance, adding new forms does not do anything to upset or even change type balance. I'm still not convinced that Fairy Type even balances out anything. Outside of 3 Pokemon, Fairy Types seem pretty weak and not even a threat to what they are supposed to counter. Blaziken has been broken since the inclusion of the Dream World. His new form doesn't change this fact at all, and there isn't anything to counter this as there were no new counters for either Fire or Fighting types.

Lucario got a boost, whether its a good or bad thing will be shown once the meta converts, but I see it as severely OP.

Absol gets a nice boost from the new ability, I don't see Ampharos gaining anything significant from Mold Breaker nor his new Dragon Type while in the new form, if the Dragon Type doesn't extend to his base form as well. Mawile, seems like she may become a continder IF she gets Physical Fairy Moves which seem to be lacking at the moment so she has the same crutch as Marill.

None of these Pokemon may even shift out of their respective tiers even with these new forms. It really doesn't effect the current balance set and won't really have any effect on type balance as the forms don't really effect the type chart at all.

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Originally Posted by Flamebot (Post 7774409)
Each pokemon needing a specific item to do mega evo, seems unlikely. They'd likely need all starts finals for megas and I just can't see them making a specific item for each. It should be a ability. Mew also needs one. They're doing so much to mewtwo, but why not the original. I can't see megas being stronger than pseudos ethier, besides the mewtwo. Also they will probally release more megas. So unlikely for specific items. Imo.

Blaziken has a specific item for it. I doubt they all use the Blaziken Knight Item for their Mega forms so it looks as if they will all get Iconic items for them. I don't know if there will be a stat shift. Sometimes its just a redistribution, but this one seems like it may add some stats if there is a stat shift at all.

Each of the new battle forms may have a different level list as well.

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Originally Posted by DamienHelvian (Post 7774445)
@Magma, Giratine never 'got' a new form, it ALWAYS had two forms, in both the anime and the games.


No...sorry dude. Giratina didn't have an alternate form in Diamond and Pearl. Its new form was added in Platinum along with Shaymin's so Giratina did have a form added later in the generation.

Haza August 8th, 2013 1:22 PM

Main main fear is that we'll get waves of Mega Pokemon with each new game/generation. I don't want to wait for inevitable new Megas. I hope they get them all out of the way NOW.

DamienHelvian August 8th, 2013 1:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pkmn.master (Post 7774436)
Absolutely. I hope to see only a few more mega evolutions, but more that that I'd rather see more evolutions to past Pokémon such as Zangoose.

Not just evolutions, some Prevolutions as well are needed.
I think they could have a bit of fun, and make a play on the Kangaskhan-Cubone concept.
Make a baby kangaskhan prevolution, and an evolution-inducing held item that will turn it into cubone.
Or without the item, turn it into a secondary stage, which then evolves into Kangaskhan.
[My idea, Kangan - > Kanghus/Cubone - Kangaskhan/Marowak]

OOH, I had another idea for a Cubone third-evolution, but mega-form could work for that. A sort of, Dual-bone-wielding marowak!

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 8th, 2013 1:26 PM

Serebii mentioned the Mega Stone and the Blaziken Knight as if they are separate items...I wonder if it'll require two items. One in the bag (the Mega) and the unique stone (Blaziken Knight in this case).

JP August 8th, 2013 1:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Haza (Post 7774449)
Main main fear is that we'll get waves of Mega Pokemon with each new game/generation. I don't want to wait for inevitable new Megas. I hope they get them all out of the way NOW.

Doubtful. :( I can definitely see this becoming a bit of a problem in that sense. More and more Megas, with less and less completely new Pokemon, which I would really hate. I was already a bit worried when this stuff started leaking today, seeing all these new Megas and only 3 completely new Pokemon, makes me a bit worried at the number of completely new Mons' this generation... I guess only time will tell. Could ultimately end up just being like the regular Pokemon Formes, and only seeing a few each generation, but just can't be sure I guess.

Xander Olivieri August 8th, 2013 1:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Haza (Post 7774449)
Main main fear is that we'll get waves of Mega Pokemon with each new game/generation. I don't want to wait for inevitable new Megas. I hope they get them all out of the way NOW.

Well, this seems like it may be a gimmick for X and Y so there is a good chance that they will post all the Mega Forms now, and only update when new Pokemon come in. I'm pretty sure this is 99% wrong though since Gamefreak does what ever the hell they want when it comes to adding to Pokemon. This new thing is only proof that they do what ever they like.

I can see them giving us more Megas once the games are released and then update later generations when they seem fit, just like they always do.

DamienHelvian August 8th, 2013 1:28 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7774446)

No...sorry dude. Giratina didn't have an alternate form in Diamond and Pearl. Its new form was added in Platinum along with Shaymin's so Giratina did have a form added later in the generation.

Only in the games, both forms were shown in the same movie in the Anime. The only thing Platinum did was introduce an item the allowed Giratina to change between the forms.

@Magma, that is a good idea. You might be able to get the pokemon with its item through an event, like the first one, Torchic, but, to help with the game [i mean, having mega-blaziken available so early on...kind of a cheap way to win at gyms, don't you think?] But then get the Mega-stone, at some point in the game, like as part of the storyline, or a post-champion quest.

Haza August 8th, 2013 1:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7774456)
Serebii mentioned the Mega Stone and the Blaziken Knight as if they are separate items...I wonder if it'll require two items. One in the bag (the Mega) and the unique stone (Blaziken Knight in this case).

OMG... MRAS... the Megastone is just the generalized term for the items like Blazikenite...

And I feel like the Mega Pokemon are purposefully made to look epic... almost on the level of epicness as the most epic legendary Pokemon. What if they were translated to "Legend Formes" or something? Haha... wishful thinking.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 8th, 2013 1:31 PM

If they are to limit them then I see only the other two Hoenn starters, Deoxys, and possibly the Hoenn mascots gaining Mega formes.

I noticed that Gen V has no Mega... Gen I has Mewtwo, Gen II has Ampharos, Gen III has Blaziken,Absol, and Mawile, Gen IV has Lucario... So a Gen V Mega would be good. Also if Mega's are based on popularity then Gen III's Pokémon must be the most popular as they have 3 and Gen V the least as they have none xD.

Clawvile August 8th, 2013 1:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7774456)
Serebii mentioned the Mega Stone and the Blaziken Knight as if they are separate items...I wonder if it'll require two items. One in the bag (the Mega) and the unique stone (Blaziken Knight in this case).

I think that you must have the Blaziken knight on the blaziken and then use the mega stone on it

DamienHelvian August 8th, 2013 1:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Haza (Post 7774465)
OMG... MRAS... the Megastone is just the generalized term for the items like Blazikenite...

And I feel like the Mega Pokemon are purposefully made to look epic... almost on the level of epicness as the most epic legendary Pokemon. What if they were translated to "Legend Formes" or something? Haha... wishful thinking.

Doesn't Mega-lucario look like it could punch a hole in the space-time continuum, and pissing off Dialga and Palkia, only to proceed to beat them to a pulp.
Mega-lucario signature move, AURA FIST! It conjures an aura sphere, throws it, dashes forward, and punches through it, carrying the energy with its fist.
[A play on one of my joke combos for a series I wrote combining Force Palm and Aura Sphere into the FACE PALM OF DEATH]

Oshamaru August 8th, 2013 1:33 PM

Maybe extremely popular Pokemon and Pokemon without evolutions will get these forms.
As long as not every Pokemon gets one, it's good.

L0RD G3NGAR August 8th, 2013 1:33 PM

Idk to have to have item plus stone for megas seems really stupid. And each item being diffrent for the pokemon just also seems stupid. It seems like a waste of space when they could make it a extremely rare ability or a hidden ability and save more space. Idk just my opion

Haza August 8th, 2013 1:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DamienHelvian (Post 7774471)
Doesn't Mega-lucario look like it could punch a hole in the space-time continuum, and pissing off Dialga and Palkia, only to proceed to beat them to a pulp.
Mega-lucario signature move, AURA FIST! It conjures an aura sphere, throws it, dashes forward, and punches through it, carrying the energy with its fist.
[A play on one of my joke combos for a series I wrote combining Force Palm and Aura Sphere into the FACE PALM OF DEATH]

YASS! God Formes would be more fitting really...

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 8th, 2013 1:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Flamebot (Post 7774476)
Idk to have to have item plus stone for megas seems really stupid. And each item being diffrent for the pokemon just also seems stupid. It seems like a waste of space when they could make it a extremely rare ability or a hidden ability and save more space. Idk just my opion

They could've done that, but my guess is that they didn't as they want to leave it open for us to use the Megastone on whichever Blaziken, Absol, and Mawile we want.

Clawvile August 8th, 2013 1:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Flamebot (Post 7774476)
Idk to have to have item plus stone for megas seems really stupid. And each item being diffrent for the pokemon just also seems stupid. It seems like a waste of space when they could make it a extremely rare ability or a hidden ability and save more space. Idk just my opion

It just makes sense though.. Just like the way you get Black kyurem/White kyurem. Seems like a waste of space, but makes sense.

jfuze174 August 8th, 2013 1:43 PM

I wonder if the mega-forms have something to do with a storyline and that's why these specific pokemon got the forms I feel like though they are just trying to push the envelope on what to change since its a good time to add newr stuff to pokemon like I said earlier I would like mega blaziken evolve from a combusken than from blazeken

That new electric mouse looks like what happens when a raichu breeded with a azurill and something went wrong

Xander Olivieri August 8th, 2013 1:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DamienHelvian (Post 7774464)
Only in the games, both forms were shown in the same movie in the Anime. The only thing Platinum did was introduce an item the allowed Giratina to change between the forms.

@Magma, that is a good idea. You might be able to get the pokemon with its item through an event, like the first one, Torchic, but, to help with the game [i mean, having mega-blaziken available so early on...kind of a cheap way to win at gyms, don't you think?] But then get the Mega-stone, at some point in the game, like as part of the storyline, or a post-champion quest.

The anime doesn't really matter as the games show them first and the Pokemon are released with the games, not with the anime. Giratina didn't have a form in the two headliner titles for Gen 4 and had one added in a later game. Giratina had a new form added.

I mean if you go that way, Kyurem never had a new form added after either, nor Keldeo since both the new forms and the original forms were shown in their movie debuts.

@Haza I NEVER would have thought of the stones being generalized as Megastones....OMG you're a genius!

DamienHelvian August 8th, 2013 1:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Haza (Post 7774477)
YASS! God Formes would be more fitting really...

Well, some people seem to theorize that these forms will be equivalent to Pseudo...
So maybe, not Mega or Awakened
Legendary Form...some sort of ancient power[move pun not intended], being awakened [hey maybe that's where the name comes from] in their DNA.
the Legendary Lucario Warrior, with his Signature Aura Fist, slaying the pokemon Gods. [LEGENDARY SUPER SAIYAN *cough*]
Lucario is my prime in Black 2...I love him so much. Aura Sphere slaughters pretty much any pokemon weak or neutral to fighting with ease...and Dragon Pulse and Ice punch take care of the rest....
I like the idea of more Punch moves. A dragon punch would be absolutely perfect, as a lot of people have fighting type pokemon [and let's not forget the fact that the popular starters are part fighting type, like Blaziken]. So a move like that would be big...and of course, teach it to alakazam :P

Oh right, I remembered another idea I had for a pokemon ability <3

About this 'waste of space' thing. The item bag is pretty much infinite, and since it would likely be a Key Item, and one of the kinds you don't really need to 'use' you could sort it to the bottom of the list and not really care about it.
As for the secondary item, the only problem it would have, is if it's a Held Item, then you wouldn't be able to use the element boosters that are quite important, like Charcoal or Black Belt.

HallowTrainer August 8th, 2013 1:47 PM

The mega Pokemon surprised me a bit, I saw the mega Blaziken and Ampharos thinking that there would a 4th evolution, but then I read that they were Megas. But would this mean that a Mawile and Absol evolution is out of the question?

Haza August 8th, 2013 1:48 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7774491)
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@Haza I NEVER would have thought of the stones being generalized as Megastones....OMG you're a genius!

Sarcasm? *whips out pocketknife*

Xander Olivieri August 8th, 2013 1:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Haza (Post 7774501)
Sarcasm? *whips out pocketknife*

Nope, serious. I thought that the Mega Stone was an actual item, but generalizing all the Mega Stones like Blazikenite into one source is freakin genius! Makes me wonder what the names of the other stones will be.

latioslegends August 8th, 2013 1:51 PM

Can't say this was exactly the news of the century, as it was proposed last update. (kind of hope this is some mock news)

It sure is interesting to see something radically new added this time around; however this kind of irks me a little. =/ Will this severely shift competitive play to only mega forms now, or is this mechanic only limited to the single player mode? Along with that is the form permanent, or does the Poke revert to its original state after a battle?

Hopefully there is some in-game balance to this mechanic.

L0RD G3NGAR August 8th, 2013 1:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Clawvile (Post 7774483)
It just makes sense though.. Just like the way you get Black kyurem/White kyurem. Seems like a waste of space, but makes sense.

Yes but unlike kyreums items, these are likely event only items. I honestly think they should have the items in game. I hope so, but I know it wont happen.

Cerberus87 August 8th, 2013 1:52 PM

I'm not opposed to the concept, but I feel only "special" Pokémon should be able to get it... Seriously, Mawile? Who cares about Mawile? And Ampharos? I like Ampharos but in the Pokémon lore it's not deserving of a mega form IMO.

Blaziken, Lucario and Mewtwo are fine, Absol not so much. I hope all the starters get it though, because it's quite unfair that only Blaziken gets it. Also hoping for Zoroark, who should've got it instead of Absol since he's the 5th gen movie star like Lucario is the 4th gen movie star.

And the names are ridiculous. Not everything sounds cool with super or mega attached to their name.

DamienHelvian August 8th, 2013 1:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Cerberus87 (Post 7774512)
I'm not opposed to the concept, but I feel only "special" Pokémon should be able to get it... Seriously, Mawile? Who cares about Mawile? And Ampharos? I like Ampharos but in the Pokémon lore it's not deserving of a mega form IMO.

Blaziken, Lucario and Mewtwo are fine, Absol not so much. I hope all the starters get it though, because it's quite unfair that only Blaziken gets it. Also hoping for Zoroark, who should've got it instead of Absol since he's the 5th gen movie star like Lucario is the 4th gen movie star.

And the names are ridiculous. Not everything sounds cool with super or mega attached to their name.

Oh gawd...MegaLucario vs MegaZoroark.....

Haza August 8th, 2013 1:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Cerberus87 (Post 7774512)
I'm not opposed to the concept, but I feel only "special" Pokémon should be able to get it... Seriously, Mawile? Who cares about Mawile? And Ampharos? I like Ampharos but in the Pokémon lore it's not deserving of a mega form IMO.

Blaziken, Lucario and Mewtwo are fine, Absol not so much. I hope all the starters get it though, because it's quite unfair that only Blaziken gets it. Also hoping for Zoroark, who should've got it instead of Absol since he's the 5th gen movie star like Lucario is the 4th gen movie star.

And the names are ridiculous. Not everything sounds cool with super or mega attached to their name.

Glad you said that. I think the fact that irrelevant weakling Pokemon like Mawhile and Ampharos, along with a legendary Pokemon like Mewtwo, a popular Pokemon like Lucario, and a starter Pokemon like Blaziken maybe hinting that A LOT of Pokemon will possibly have access to these formes... but again... that's my wishful thinking. They could just be spreading the wealth.

Xander Olivieri August 8th, 2013 2:00 PM

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Originally Posted by latioslegends (Post 7774509)
Can't say this was exactly the news of the century, as it was proposed last update. (kind of hope this is some mock news)

It sure is interesting to see something radically new added this time around; however this kind of irks me a little. =/ Will this severely shift competitive play to only mega forms now, or is this mechanic only limited to the single player mode? Along with that is the form permanent, or does the Poke revert to its original state after a battle?

Hopefully there is some in-game balance to this mechanic.

Smogon wise...I forsee two of the MegaForms getting banned....one because its possibly a better version of a Pokemon that is already banned. The other because of the power creep he just got.

Official tournament wise, I don't see any banning. Also they may be available in the game. Torchic is going to be an event because its probably otherwise unobtainable in game. Though I can see Absol and Mawile being in game as well as their Mega Stones. Mewtwo's considering he may be accessible in game may have his stone as well.

As for what it may do, since its a battle only form it may be in that form when you enter battle but in the over world it would be normal? I dunno, there's really not much more to go off of other than they are battle forms only.

Haza August 8th, 2013 2:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Cerberus87 (Post 7774512)
Blaziken, Lucario and Mewtwo are fine, Absol not so much. I hope all the starters get it though, because it's quite unfair that only Blaziken gets it. Also hoping for Zoroark, who should've got it instead of Absol since he's the 5th gen movie star like Lucario is the 4th gen movie star.

Also, when Lucario was revealed, he was originally compared to Absol and adored in a similar manner... Zoroark is third in line.

DamienHelvian August 8th, 2013 2:05 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7774527)
Smogon wise...I forsee two of the MegaForms getting banned....one because its possibly a better version of a Pokemon that is already banned. The other because of the power creep he just got.

Official tournament wise, I don't see any banning. Also they may be available in the game. Torchic is going to be an event because its probably otherwise unobtainable in game. Though I can see Absol and Mawile being in game as well as their Mega Stones. Mewtwo's considering he may be accessible in game may have his stone as well.

As for what it may do, since its a battle only form it may be in that form when you enter battle but in the over world it would be normal? I dunno, there's really not much more to go off of other than they are battle forms only.

I think depending on the balancing, they may or may not be banned...
It also depends on the tournament I guess..
I do think that at least in the Battle Institutes/facilities, they may likely be banned in those in-game places...


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