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Honestly, I agree with iRyahn its very much similar to Digimon but its kinda stupid in general
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I'm nearly 100 percent sure Mewtwo will be banned as it's already uber in it's normal stage. Blaziken will most likely follow as it was an uber in Gen V and now with the new power creep it'll likely stay that way. Lucario I can see becoming Uber. The other three may receive a boost in tier. |
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I dunno. I quite like them. I think people are just scared of change and IMO they are cool looking, although MegaAmpharos is a bit stupid. I like normal Ampharos. I know who my new team is going to e now
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I actually like Digimon & it was about damn time good pokes got formes, I mean what's more fun than being able to almost evolve your pokes further to 2 evolutionary stages??? Though I don't like MegaAmpharos' design, it isn't that much creative tbh, the same Ampharos we know but with white hair all over >_> Nonetheless I'm really excited about all of what's been announced & I hope the news are true. Oh, & MegaBlaziken means one thing... Hoenn remakes confirmed!!!11 {XD} sorry couldn't resist saying that |
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I'm glad the Gogoat pre-evo turned out to be the real deal! It's probably my favorite of the bunch! The three new Pokemon are very adorable.
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What if its like how Kirlia evolves. Male evolves into this female evolves into that. its possible, but seems a bit over board
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If these are forms, then I'll have no problem. If they're evolutions, then I'll be cautious. Introducing fourth evolutions will cause the power creep to really seep into the games, and I do not want that. It will go from being a competitive problem to a problem that breaks the in-game "story mode" mechanics, leaving older and "non-Mega-becoming" Pokemon in the dust. Yes, it's too early to tell, but considering how each gen has higher and higher base stat totals in general I wouldn't say it's too crazy to think it's possible. So, I'm really hoping these are just forms and not real "evolutions."
Also, I hope the other starters get a Mega Evolution, too. Giving one only to Blaziken is just unfair, I think. And give a Mega Evolution to Dunsparce, please! Nothing against Ampharos, or Fabio-Ampharos, but of all the Pokemon to give a new "evolution" to, Ampharos and Blaziken? When you've got Dunsparce, Luvdisc, Shuckle, Stunfisk........? At least I can say that I'm glad Mawile has one of these, even though I was hoping for a real evolution and not one of these "maybe forms maybe evolutions we don't know yet" Mega Evos. |
I just wanna see MegaScizor, would probably be OP as hell but who wouldn't want to see an even cooler Scizor.
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Technically, I guess we could discuss which other Pokemon we think will/should get a mega... and what they'd look like. Since Lucario and Blaziken (and most of them really) share the black "mega" tattoo type design on their bodies and flowing godly hair, I'd like see that on
Roserade: Longer GOKU type hair, visible thorns, and the tattoo design. Milotic: Water/Dragon... longer flowing ribbons, bolder tail with a more grand tail fin. Skuntank: Kick ass tail with visible stank fumes |
I CALLED THE ELECTRIC FAIRY! ALL BOW BEFORE ME!
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I really wanna see a Mega Evolution of Luxray, I'd imagine lightning-like markings interconnecting all over its body, larger body frame, longer mane.
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I just thought of something. How cool would a MegaCharizard be? Think about it. Maybe... Two heads? With longer fangs? And black flames on the tail! And a black belly instead of yellow! And maybe... devil-like horns. It would look awesome!
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Not quite sure how I feel about these Mega Pokemon. I mean, they look cool and all, and I'm sure they'll be great Pokemon to use, both in-game and competitively, but they're just kinda changing up the whole formula with this. Like Xander said, MegaBlaziken is gonna be the first case of a fourth stage evolution (even though it's just a stronger Blaziken, they do call it an evolution, so it does count as an evolution), and MegaMewtwo or whatevs is gonna be the first evolution of a legendary (seems like Mewtwo is gonna play a big role in this generation. But then again, they are revisiting a theme of the first generation :p), and I just see that as being violations of two unwritten rules of Pokemon. The legendary evolution isn't that big of a deal to me, but going past the third stage... it just seems wrong to me for some reason :(
And what is the point even? Why do we need these mega evolutions? Can't you just make a bunch of crazy legendaries or something, instead of taking such a leap of faith and completely messing with the formula. But then again, I guess X and Y have pretty much been a leap of faith in themselves. It's clear that Game Freak are trying to give Pokemon a comeback with this generation, hence all the new features they've brought in. And while some of them are a bit questionable (the big amount of food-related Pokemon they've introduced/supposedly are gonna introduce, despite the negative feedback the whole Vanillite line got for example), they've introduced a lot of awesome features/mechanics/etc. as well (customization of character, hordes of Pokemon, a new typing finally geez even though it's had some variety in feedback, and best of all, SITTING ON BENCHES!). I think the whole Mega Pokemon thing may be an attempt to draw in a different, most likely more mature audience, since the theme of them is obviously to look cool (even though that's debatable :p), and considering that Pokemon have always been regarded as cutesy and adorable (and childish) creatures in the eyes of most people, that may have been a smart move to draw in all those children who decide not to play the games because the main focus is the "cute" of the Pokemon, rather than the "awesome" they're looking for. But it may not have been the smartest move to pull on their current fans, as it's definitely been seen with skepticism :p But then again, it's only a theory; maybe they have much bigger plans for these that we just haven't seen yet. I also think the whole Mewtwo thing may be to bring back some of the original fans of the series, though that may be a bit of a stretch, and can perhaps just be viewed as fan service for the ones who've stuck around for long enough? But yeah, I'm not gonna say that I'm done with Pokemon before I've seen the impact it actually makes on the games. All their new additions to the games may end up being super awesome, or ruining the entire series, but we'll jsut have to wait and see :p Like I said, a leap of faith. Oh, also, MegaAbsol looks soo metal. I bet it'd be amazing at headbanging ;D |
Absol is not ruin it needed an evolution. But personally I think it was either translated wrong or somewhat fake. However, if this is true this will change pokemon forever. Still think more information is to come as the did not show Oorroto the tree pokemon.
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I actually kind of like that they gave Mawile a "mega" evolution. I find most of the Pokemon who never evolve to be pretty boring... a form change would be great and add interest.
But I do agree, and I hope this is just a form change based on a held item, rather than an actual, permanent evolution. It would be interesting if they added a big drawback -- for example, a pokemon's mega-evolution had a huge increase in one stat, but another dropped dramatically, etc. I just hope it's not as simple as MOAR POWER!!! for the Pokemon that have it available. And I'd like to be able to switch back and forth between a mega/regular evolution. |
Longer I think about this the more I think this is bit of a bad idea. The power creep can settle in very quickly and it won't go away very easily.
Nobody was really expecting this, but then it could well be a success. |
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Just imagine Mega Arcanine and Mega Houndoom! OMG...
and I find comfort in the fact that they gave the most overpowered starter Pokemon one of these formes... that's confirmation enough for me that at least every starter Pokemon will get one too. idc idc |
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I'd rather they evolved Mawile instead of Megafying it, though. It almost sounds like cheating. And the MegaMawile looks like ass. |
I have to say these three new Pokemon are cute as heck.
I'm already in love with Horubii, it looks way more like a real rabbit than Buneary and I presume it might be the stereotypical "early route rodent" following the likes of Rattata, Sentret, Zigzagoon, Bidoof and Patrat. Dedenne is also cute too, and is certainly the new Pikaclone, but with Fairy-type added. Its appearance sorta suggests it might be based on a hamster, gerbil or something. And the Gogoat pre-evo was expected thanks to a trailer giving it away, but still it's very cute. |
Now that I've had some time to think about it and let it settle, I'm more okay with it. But, that's only if they are forms. If they are evolutions, which I doubt (adding Mega in front of a Pokemons name isn't a great idea in terms of evolution), then that is where I have a problem. Evolution chains with four is where things will get bad. I mean, look at something like Smeargle for instance. Is it entirely fair for Blaziken, an already OU and very powerful Pokemon to get a fourth evolution, when a Pokemon like Smeargle is stuck on its own? I guess one of my main concerns is the distribution of the Megas.
Sure this idea is cool, the Pokemon look cool and all that, but, I guess I'm just missing the point of MegaPokemon. Why have them? |
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It's funny to think of some pokemon maybe getting hair for their mega forms...
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They did Ampharos so wrong though... the others look like LEGENDS... and then there's MegaAmpharos...
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My first reaction: What the--?! What is this?! WHAT IS THIS?!
My reaction now, after it's had time to settle in: Really interesting concept. I'm all for it! Anyways, I'm thinking that MegaEvo is just a reversible evolution. You know, you can go back and forth Mega and not-mega as if it was a form, but it's actually an evolution, so it's a new pokemon with new moves and typing and such. |
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I'm not crazy about the new idea, but I'm relieved that it's not fusion. I don't care much for the designs. I always wanted new evolutions for Absol and Mawile. It's odd that they gave one to a starter. The one for Ampharos is by far the worst, and looks very sloppily designed. The best might be Mawile, but once again, I don't really like any of them. I hope the Absol one grows on me, since Absol is one of my favorite Pokémon, but I can't stand that "hair" over it's face.
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Remember that anime promo for Black and White 2? I wish there was an anime that looked that way and was surrounding Mega Pokemon... I'd never watch the traditional anime again.
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I just saw this and I'm kind of interested in seeing where they go with it. I suppose at some point they can't keep adding new Pokemon to the list, but with this they can sort of keep adding without actually adding. I actually like the new looks on Mawile and Ampharos, but not as much with Lucario and Blaziken.
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Sucker Punch + 590 attack would definitely give it a spot in Ubers. It checks Mewtwo and Deoxys, and probably OHKOs Giratina too. It resists Extremespeed so it also scares
Rayquaza and Arceus. Either way, its definitely OU at least. But the VGC metagame doesn't have tiers, which is why this is worrying. But people are saying these evolutions occur with a held item, perhaps if they're too strong they could ban the item just like Soul Dew. Let's hope Mawile and Lucario are just scary examples, cause Ampharos looks pretty neat (and it would troll Thundurus-T so hard). |
I'm getting a Hamtaro vibe from Dedenne. Definitely looks like a hamster to me.
Horubii kinda looks a little Disney to me. Or at least more like something from a Western cartoon than something from Japan. Meekuru is cute as a button! Best of the bunch, easily. |
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If it was fake, I would assume GF would have confirmed that it was fake by now. However, they still have not said anything.
I really can't wait to see a Megalution of Empoleon. |
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Guildmaster Wigglytuff in Mega Form..... |
So, the new movie, Pokemon Extreme Speed, with the new mewtwo forme. it states that it is his awakened forme, if I am not mistaken; so why now is it a mega evolution?? Correct me if I am mistaken. Also, has anyone watched the movie? Can anyone confirm whether or not they described the origin behind the mewtwo related pokemon.
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Where exactly in the translation does it say that it's only a in battle evolution , and I'm using evolution instead of new forms because that's what they are, unless that was a mistranslation. I personally love this , but I'm not sure how this will work because nobody would use any of the old pokemon if everyone gets a mega evolution
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AAAAnnnnnd, the fanbase has been cleaved into separate parts once again.
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Mega Mawile, Mega Ampharos and Mega Blaziken are starting to grow on me. I don't have an opinion on Mega Absol just yet.
Better prepare yourselves for the genwunners who react so negatively towards Mega Charizard |
Everything I have read is saying they are forms and that they are just called Megalutions. I highly doubt they would evolve a Mewtwo to be honest. Not to mentions Mewtwo can change between Mega and normal in the movie. I would assume it only transforms during battle. And why would you need a different hold item if the pokemon gains stats when it goes to Mega.
The again Deoxis can change forms during battle as well. Regardless it is still a form. |
Are you kidding me? I'm looking forward to Mega Charizard!
My Mega Charizard and Mega Aggron are going to. rape. your. s***. BACKWARDS!!!!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoPWALM2riQ So lock up your daughter And lock up your wife Lock up your back door And run for your life The 'zard is back in towwwwwn |
Maybe they're going to be localized as Knight Pokemon? Like, Knight Charizard, Knight Blaziken? Sounds a lot better than Mega Charizard, to be honest.
This will only be a good idea to me if every evolutionary family gets one. |
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What if the each of the gen 6 starter will have their own Mega evolution? I bet it will be awesome!
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I should add...yet. Still no official word on it and it may not happen, possible, but also possible to not happen at all. SE and Resist through 2 elements isn't a bad thing really, but even still its almost not enough. She has no Fairy Attacks to back her up yet. |
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OH, GAWD, it might have just been confirmed?!?! |
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Not a lot are strong against something, and not resistant to it. And usually in those cases, they're weak to it instead, like ghost and dragon being weak to themselves. As are most types are resistant to themselves. Then again, it could be the case like Psychic and Ghost both are supereffective against the other. |
Whooo. What to say about these things. Well, they are certainly interesting. Now, from what I HAVE been able to read, these Pokemon are indeed Evolving. The Pokemon definition of evolution usually is a permanent thing, from what I've experienced, whether or not these follow the same idea is a completely different story. What... I mean, whoa.
Some of these seem like they will become absolutely broken Pokemon, making me believe the above posts are correct, that these are only forms that can take place at a temporary time. Blaziken and Lucario are strong enough as is, and the fact that the "Mewthree" as many call it, is a MegaEvolution of Mewtwo, makes me believe this even more. Now, if the case is indeed permanent evolution, it better be really darn hard to achieve these new forms. However, this is purely speculation as the title of the topic implies, and until more official info is released, I can really have nothing more to say here. |
These better act as legendaries of the region. Similar to shadow pokemon of XD. They are a part of the whole DNA evil science project gone wrong theme, and they will be a thing of the past with the addition of new games. I hope anyways!
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Since the mega Ampharos becomes part dragon, therefore Mega's must exist in future games? |
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One of Dragon's assets is that it's mostly unresisted across the type chart save for itself, which it's super effective against, and Steel. It would be silly of GF to create all these weak Fairies and not give them at least a Dragon resist. And it would be a golden opportunity to create the first Fairy that can actually wall Outrage, provided the mega form boosts stats since Mawile is pretty crappy all around. |
I hope that not a lot of Pokemon would have mega evolutions or, heaven forbid, all Pokemon. I'm thinking the eeveelutions wouldn't get one like Flareon or Espeon, but maybe they're finally doing a Normal/Fairy Mega Evolution for Eevee.
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There are other elements that are strong against one but not resist them. Fighting is Strong against Normal and Ice but doesn't resist either. Ground is strong against Fire and Steel and doesn't resist either. Rock is strong against Bug and Ice but doesn't resist either. Bug is strong against Psychic and Dark but doesn't resist either. Ghost is strong against Ghost and Psychic and doesn't resist Psychic while its weak to Ghost. Fire is strong against Ice and doesn't resist it. Water is strong against Rock and Ground but doesn't resist either. Grass is strong against Rock and doesn't resist it. Electric is strong against Water and doesn't resist it. Psychic is strong against Poison and doesn't resist it. Ice is strong against Dragon, Grass, Ground, and Flying and doesn't resist any of them. Fairy was made to be Super Effective against Dragon, which is why they told us this. Doesn't mean that there is no chance it can be resistant to Dragon, but it means that's not what they meant by it being stronger than Dragon. Fairy exists to give Dragon Types one added weakness. That's exactly what they did. So far Mawile only has normal resistance to Dragon types. Though even with x4 it may not be enough to survive an attack from one. Also..No I didn't expect my list to get as large as it did. There were a fair number that were SE and Resisted but I don't think it was as large as the list that is just SE and not resistant. There were a few immunities as well. Quote:
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Anyways besides him not looking at the obvious.. My tanky speed/ special attack Eletrick/Dragon Ampharaos is GG for all my friends who wont let me use it in battle in its Normal form now.... Hope Dragonite has one.( They wont let me use my baby D-nite either =( now they totally wont let me..) |
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So I hope its selective. More Mega means less chance for more to evolve in the future. |
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I don't hate the idea. In fact I like it, I just don't think they would add that many pokemon. Though it is possible that we may only get 10 or 15 Megas this generation, that opens up over 350+ possibilities for new pokemon. As I said, the only thing I really hate about this is the names. Also as I have said, I would love love love to see Megas for Empoleon, Braviary, Krookodile and a few others. Imagine a MegaMagmortar or something. |
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These really aren't like Shadow Pokemon and since they are made by the mother company Gamefreak, they have a high chance of passing over into the next generation. Torchic event confirms that Dream World "Hidden" Abilities still exist despite the possibility of the Dream World no longer existing when Gen 6 is released. |
As long as some favorites get mega forms, I'm fine, but I'm pretty sure, no I'm 99% sure, that only a select few will get these new forms, because the items seem to be species-specific and creating items for 350+ fully evolved Pokémon would eat up the code. If it acts as a stat booster, it's no different from an Eviolite really, except it will most likely "change" the Pokémon into something with a higher BST.
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I can't believe it took Game Freak more than a decade to make Ampharos Electric/Dragon, since its dex entry categorizes it as a dragon, with its mega evolution. They could've done so earlier without the mega evolution, and it would've helped diversify Claire's team by replacing one of her Dragonairs with it back in G/S/C/HG/SS.
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Anyway, maybe these MEGAs could have something to with Pokemon research or whatever the motives of Team Flare are. Would be awesome if the first Pokemon that they successfully awaken is a MegaBlaziken and that's how we're properly introduced to them. |
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So that's our "scoop of the century"?! Quite a disappointment, especially considering that Blaziken is already an Uber in the competitive scene. Still, a four-stage evolutionary line has never happened before in Pokemon, unlike Digimon. I hope they'll all be given different names.
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I agree, dream world was one of the few things that was WAY too over the top. I like Dream Radar though, I think they should make an extended version, sort of like an improved Dream World...but on the 3DS itself not online. And nobody answered my question. Is the news report about Region Locks real? |
I...don't know how to feel about these designs. Hm. I'll need to think about this before coming to a complete conclusion. I'm leaning towards "like", though.
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...I have no idea how I feel about this. I'm really hoping that if anything this will just be a different form change, not a new evolutionary stage. Having a Legendary evolve in Mewtwo's case just seems against what we've know for so long it'd be just weird to change (Which they can do whatever they want, but still, dat precedent). The Ampharos one just looks extremely silly. I mean, how does adding what looks like clouds on its head and tail give it Dragon typing?
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I'm slowly appreciating Ampharos and that weave... it reminds me of a flop version of that Electric/Dragon Smogon CAP Pokemon...
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Hmm. Earlier I LOATHED this idea... Now I'm warming up to it more. It's just something new. Huge change. But it could end up being a great new feature that we all love. We'll find out in just 2 months.
What other pokemon should get mega evolutions? Since the designs are just so bad ass, I'd like to see MegaNinetales (Change to fire/psychic) MegaMilotic (Change to water/fairy) MegaGengar (Change to ghost/dark) MegaZoroark MegaCrobat MegaHoundoom MegaGirafirig (change to Psychic/Electric) MegaPidgeot (change to Flying/Dragon) MegaLapras MegaStarmie |
These are the questions going through my mind...
1. For pokemon like Absol and Mawile, does getting megas mean they will never get evolutions? Currently only pokemon which cannot evolve further have megas (for instance, Torchic and Combusken do not have megas.) 2. Because of this new heavy emphasis on megas, does this mean no past pokemon will get evolutions? Even-numbered generations had the pattern of introducing evos, but the fact that Mawile got a mega instead of an evolution makes me wonder. 3. Will the 14 past starters besides Blaziken also get megas? Torchic has been given bias in the past, such as being the only starter allowed in Amity Square, having its own wallpapers for the PC system; also, the fact that Blaziken+Latias was originally conceptualized as a single pokemon. The very fact that they're showing off Blaziken but no other starter already shows Gamefreak's bias to this pokemon. My complaints: 1. Why couldn't Absol's mega be Dark/Psychic? 2. How can you attach a wooly mane onto a sheep/kangaroo and call it a dragon? Sounds like forced typing... al beit reminiscent to Altaria. 3. I wish these megas would start out only be used for pokemon like Ampharos, Pidgeot, Poliwrath... things that aren't that good, yet already reached their max evolutions. Giving it to pokemon that could still evolve (Mawile/Absol) seems unnecessary; and giving it to pokemon that are already top tier (Blaziken and Lucario) just widens the strength gap. Coincidence: In the past, I never liked that Ampharos lost its wool when evolving. I used to imagine how there could be wool coat item for it to hold, which would increase it's defenses. I'm really happy to see that Ampharos has a mega that has regained its wool. |
Since this mostly concerns Mega Forms I'mma post this update from Serebii.
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A little iffy on the 3 new pokes that were revealed. The new gym leader Koruni has an interesting design, and I can't help but think she may be a dark type user.
I love the designs for all the mega-evolutions, and I just hope enough of the right pokemon get them. The overall idea of mid-battle evo's that aren't permanent seem pretty cool to me. |
I just thought of something else. I'm hoping for a MegaLuvdisc. Or at least a Luvdisc evolution. It's so pathetic, and it's stayed that way for three generations. They need to do SOMETHING for Luvdisc. Oh, and I'm calling it now, Luvdisc will be Fairy Type.
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1. Probably. With them getting Megalutions, I do not see them evolving anymore. 2. No, because if they were going to throw out old pokemon to get evolutions, they wouldn't have given Eevee another one. 3. I would say that every starter will get one in time. But maybe not all this generation. Part 2: 1. I do not know this, but I have to agree. They should have given Absol a dual type to go with the rest in my opinion. 2. I honestly think they liked the fan art that someone made forever ago. It looked almost exactly like the fan art. 3. I agree with this. I think Mawile at least should have gotten an Evo before Mega, however at least normal Mawile is Steel/Fairy as well. This is probably being because they did not want to evolve some stand alone pokemon. They probably could change it up a little and actually give Mawile a evo later on, but I doubt it. Right now people are thinking they are truly evolutions and not just forms, though the fan site confirm that it is only a in battle form. We will not know 100% until we get more info. Also the fan art I am talking about for Ampharos is somewhere in this thread or the Biggest scope thread, but it is near the start I think. If I can find it, I may repost it here. THANK GOD!!! I was so not wanting those pokemon to be in the dex. I am so so glad they are just forms. Now we don't have to consider those new pokemon and the are just battle forms |
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It's confirmed their only temporary form changes and are battle exclusives and that not all pokemon will receive them. There's also updated screenshots and.....they really look even better in battle. Go to Serebii :)
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personally I hope that it turns out they used that enormous cartridge space to put mega evolutions in for every single fully evolved pokemon. that'd be awesome, and it'd bring the effective count above 1000
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I must share the Gloriousness of Fabiphros with the world~ I had posted it so I thought I'd do you a favor and get it for ya. |
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there are many pokemon who can only evolve via an elemental stone.... Will there be a different aspect in those cases? Like will Growlithe get the mega form instead of arcanine or maybe both? |
I think we found the Rock type Gym Leader...since she deals with the Mega Stones and Mega Evolution, I think she'll be some kinda Rock type Gym Leader. Seems appropriate as some Rock Gym leaders and even ground types are seen as stone investigators or dealing with a mine/quarry.
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I just hope there's more to it than "Give it this stone". If each mon with a mega-evo has its own stone (like Torchic, and the blaziken-knight) I wouldn't mind only if they made the items really hard to obtain, but it just seems too easy.
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I'm gonna ignore the Mega forms in this thread and focus on the new Pokemon.
Dedenne is like Raichu meets Hamtaro, it's so cute! It looks like we have this generation's Pikachu clone. Horubii is kind of ugly, but it's not bad, but maybe it's a dust bunny. Gogoat's pre- evo is cute though I like it a lot. |
I would like to post this here as Xander did in the "Mega Pokemon..." thread.
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Right now I'm only ruling out those with form changes right now as they already have form changes. Giving a form change to a form change is kinda redundant. I'll go ahead and say some gimmick Pokemon won't get it either like Ditto and maybe Smeargle since their gimmick is more based on their attacks. I'd be willing to say Zoroark won't get one...but I really want to see it with one -w-;; |
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