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JP August 8th, 2013 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Clawvile (Post 7774312)
Why are people getting so mad about this? Almost every game I play has a feature like this in them.

People getting pissed about this does make me wonder why. I mean, this is ultimately a different type of 'forme', which we've had since what? Gen 3 or 4? Big whoop. Ah well, I'm excited and to me, that's all that counts haha.

Scorpiopt August 8th, 2013 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7774314)
I People are branding this as fake because they don't want it to be true .

This

Pokemon fans generally hate any approximation to anything related to digimon ,remember the uproar wen kyurem fusing was discovered?
Yup this is going the same way

Entermaid August 8th, 2013 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7774314)
I don't know whether People are branding this as fake because they don't want it to be true but it seems pretty conclusive.. Its the type of move Game Freak would take and frankly, I'm quite settled with the whole Mega Evolution concept as it's took time to sink in.

I guess I wouldn't say this is fake or true, rather it is unconfirmed. The leak of the cover, which ties into the other scans may very well be fake. We don't know for 100% that this is true until Nintendo or GF makes a statement either way. GameFreak has made many alterations already, such as the fairy typing, 3D Models, customization, riding pokemon, among others. These are all changes I can, not only tolerate, but embrace. This move just seems...out-there! (Not in a good way whatsoever)

Clawvile August 8th, 2013 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Scorpiopt (Post 7774324)

Pokemon fans generally hate any approximation to anything related to digimon ,remember the uproar wen kyurem fusing was discovered?
Yup this is going the same way

Exactly what I thought when I saw people hating on this.

Austin1395 August 8th, 2013 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7774321)
They are Form Changes not evolutions. Its not fake.

Really?

Serebii is listing it as evolutions. Under the X & Y section of the site, on the right hand side, the listing of the Megas is listed as Pokemon Mega Evolutions. Now, sure, Serebii is trustworthy but not 100% accurate all the time.

Not to mention, how can you say it's not fake until an official source confirms it? I feel like you're jumping to conclusions out of bias, as are a lot of people. Like I've already said, I know we just found out about this practically but there are still too many holes and this seems like too complicated of an aspect for a childrens game. I mean for ****s sake, there are hundreds of us debating over this and we can't even decide if they're forms or evolutions. How is a child supposed to figure this stuff out for themselves?

Haza August 8th, 2013 12:30 PM

Considering the extremely large amount of space on the games, I'm assuming a large amount of older Pokemon have Mega Evolutions. I think it's safe to say that ALL STARTER POKEMON will. I'm really hoping that

Roserade
Milotic
Scizor
Houndoom


all have Mega Evolutions. They'd all look amazing.

jfuze174 August 8th, 2013 12:32 PM

I hope it's really hard to get a mega stone I wouldn't mind it even being event only this way it's more competetive also if these are the only ones who get mega evols give a good reason why in the story line but if blaziken gets a awakened form than Charizard and sceptile Needs one too

Salt-the-Sloth August 8th, 2013 12:33 PM

So I decide to wake up early and go on the internet to find out my Lucario is now digging dreadlocks...wut.

But seriously, this is totally awesome! To the "fans" crying out saying their favourite Pokemon are ruined, just don't evolve/change form? Simple as that tbh.

I go on Serebii and just get slapped in the face with a huge wave of awesomeness. There are SOME disappointments I have with these though:

1. I was REALLY hoping for Mawile and Absol to have evolutions, and I doubt the possibility of evolving a Mega Pokemon, they kind of seem like a "Final Form" type of thing. Also, WHY IS ABSOL NOT DARK/FAIRY?! They gave it wings even D:

2. Ampharos just looks...I can't even. Like they LITERALLY just drew clouds on it. At least with the other Pokemon they changed the appearances quite a lot, but Amphy? Also, Apart from Zekrom ( I don't usually count legendaries ) Ampharos is the first Electric/Dragon type Pokemon. I've been waiting for a massive dragon breathing electricity, then GameFreak are like "Hey remember Ampharos? Yeeeeeeeah he's kind of Electric/Dragon." ... I'm not against ANY of this new information, I just feel ampharos could've looked a whole lot better.

3. NO DRAGON EEVEE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? //shot

Apart from that I'm all for this. I promised I'd play Pokemon X/Y Only using Gen VI Pokemon, but **** that, try and stop me from having Mega(oh god please change the name of the DigimonFreak)Lucario!!

Edit: Also, wasn't it confirmed by the Movie that the new Mewtwo was a Speed Forme? Knowing this, and If Mega Pokemon get stat boosts, I'd say they all get higher speed stats. It's a long shot, but all the new Mega Pokemon kind of look more capable of being quick.

Keiran August 8th, 2013 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Clawvile (Post 7774312)
Why are people getting so mad about this? Almost every game I play has a feature like this in them.

Let me try to explain the hate.

If they need a move to change forme, its a useless gimmick like Meloetta-P and Relic Song.
If they change forme at critical HP, its a useless gimmick like Darmanitan-Z.
If it requires an item slot, they will be a gimmick that requires a stat spread and movepool like Arceus to be useful. When was the last time someone actually let Genesect hold a drive? Never.

But if they're permanent formes like Rotom and such, they have the potential to be extremely toxic to competitive metagames. Like I explained before, for example, Huge Power Mawile will have nearly 100 more attack than Deoxys-A. AKA the metagame will be crafted around which Pokemon receives a new overpowered forme or not.


TLDR; this is either gonna be some huge gimmick or will actually destroy any worth Pokemon has at the competitive level. They should have worked on balancing the game we have now, instead of this mess.

SolarAbusoru August 8th, 2013 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Salt-the-Sloth (Post 7774343)

2. Ampharos just looks...I can't even. Like they LITERALLY just drew clouds on it. At least with the other Pokemon they changed the appearances quite a lot, but Amphy? Also, Apart from Zekrom ( I don't usually count legendaries ) Ampharos is the first Electric/Dragon type Pokemon. I've been waiting for a massive dragon breathing electricity, then GameFreak are like "Hey remember Ampharos? Yeeeeeeeah he's kind of Electric/Dragon." ... I'm not against ANY of this new information, I just feel ampharos could've looked a whole lot better.

Ampharos looks absol-utely (sorry >w>) Fabulous to me, and the changes are good enough, it's about the same amount of changes Mewtwo had.

I like all of em equally though.

Clawvile August 8th, 2013 12:38 PM

The only thing I don't really like about this is that we wont see a Mawile evolution.
And I really want a Mawile evolution

Haza August 8th, 2013 12:39 PM

I'm not afraid of a little shake up. I just hope that if a massive amount of Pokemon get these Mega Evolutions/Formes, I hope a lot of new Pokemon get them too. I don't want the value of Mega Pokemon to take away from my appreciation of the gen 6 pokemon. I really hope these are more common than they are rare, because I feel like some really special Pokemon may become irrelevant if they aren't given a Mega Forme.

classiccartoonsftw August 8th, 2013 12:42 PM

I like these three Pokemon! They're all very cute! <3

DamienHelvian August 8th, 2013 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Austin1395 (Post 7774308)
Right now I'm still leaning towards it being fake. This is still a kids game and this seems like a complicated mechanic for a 9 year old to grasp. Not to mention, it isn't like we haven't seen fake scans before. They come out all the time. And 4th evolutions just don't seem likely. I feel like if this was real, we would've gotten a video from Nintendo or something explaining things a little better. Or at least a mention in the latest Direct. I just can't see this as real right now. Too many holes in it.

It may be a kids game, but even pokemon knows, the majority of people who play it are teens and adults.
And it's not as complex as some kids games, I mean, you don't have to really THINK about it, you just...do it. There's not likely going to be a complicated procedure or anything like that. You just...use it, or maybe it's automatic.
Think about other games that come out for kids...Kingdom Hearts is far more complicated, and ESPECIALLY LoZ.
This isn't too far off the normal lines of Pokemon complexity.

@Haza, Well, most likely with the new generation, as with most generations, you'll get most of the older pokemon AFTER you complete the game, and probably further still [like a safari zone that unlocks after certain conditions are met.
But yea, I hope Gen VI pokemon get them too... Mega-Pangoro <3

Austin1395 August 8th, 2013 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DamienHelvian (Post 7774359)
It may be a kids game, but even pokemon knows, the majority of people who play it are teens and adults.
And it's not as complex as some kids games, I mean, you don't have to really THINK about it, you just...do it. There's not likely going to be a complicated procedure or anything like that. You just...use it, or maybe it's automatic.
Think about other games that come out for kids...Kingdom Hearts is far more complicated, and ESPECIALLY LoZ.
This isn't too far off the normal lines of Pokemon complexity.

@Haza, Well, most likely with the new generation, as with most generations, you'll get most of the older pokemon AFTER you complete the game, and probably further still [like a safari zone that unlocks after certain conditions are met.
But yea, I hope Gen VI pokemon get them too... Mega-Pangoro <3

Okay, fair argument. There is still one thing I've pointed out twice now that has gone unaddressed. And that is the imbalance this will cause.

Again, Fairy types were mainly introduced to keep a hold on Dragons, and to finally put a good balance on the games. Keep all the types with roughly the same amount of strengths and weaknesses, but, then the Megas are revealed and now the balance is off again.

Helios93 August 8th, 2013 12:53 PM

Somehow, the artworks for the rabbit and mini raichu look like a fan made.

Infinite Latios August 8th, 2013 12:54 PM

I like this idea. I am probably the ONLY one, but I think this is an interesting new concept. They look really cool, except Ampharos and Mewtwo, who I am disappointed with, except Ampharos being Dragon-type now. I look forward to using MegaLucario and MegaMawile in battle. The "Mega" part is kind of lame, but I always nickname my pokemon anyways. Personally, I'm crossing my fingers for a MegaNinetales and a MegaAltaria.

JP August 8th, 2013 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Helios93 (Post 7774380)
Somehow, the artworks for the rabbit and mini raichu look like a fan made.

I agree about the rabbit. When I first saw it, it seemed like something more Disney-ish than Pokemon. Though in my opinion, that's not necessarily a bad thing when it comes to 'cute' Pokemon.

DamienHelvian August 8th, 2013 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Austin1395 (Post 7774374)
Okay, fair argument. There is still one thing I've pointed out twice now that has gone unaddressed. And that is the imbalance this will cause.

Again, Fairy types were mainly introduced to keep a hold on Dragons, and to finally put a good balance on the games. Keep all the types with roughly the same amount of strengths and weaknesses, but, then the Megas are revealed and now the balance is off again.


I did address that, cost-factor. Things like this, in general, have some sort of severe cost to balance it out. And especially if the conditions are...particular, that in its own right has some sort of balance.
I personally like the Life-draining theory that I stated before. You get the mega form, but it drains your pokemon's health. Sort of like how the Life orb increases attack power at the cost of HP. And maybe even have a worse effect in that, you can't heal your pokemon in mega form.
Think of that as, their bodies, in that state, reject healing items (at least for HP, I don't think it'd be fair to make them resistant to status healing. It would TOTALLY suck to have a Mega pokemon paralyzed and thus unable to use it's power...]

L0RD G3NGAR August 8th, 2013 12:55 PM

Lol, the new Electric fairy type shares simularitys to the megas. Don't ask me how, but they look simalar. I have a feeling its final evo will have a mega.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 8th, 2013 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DamienHelvian (Post 7774359)
It may be a kids game, but even pokemon knows, the majority of people who play it are teens and adults.
And it's not as complex as some kids games, I mean, you don't have to really THINK about it, you just...do it. There's not likely going to be a complicated procedure or anything like that. You just...use it, or maybe it's automatic.
Think about other games that come out for kids...Kingdom Hearts is far more complicated, and ESPECIALLY LoZ.
This isn't too far off the normal lines of Pokemon complexity.

@Haza, Well, most likely with the new generation, as with most generations, you'll get most of the older pokemon AFTER you complete the game, and probably further still [like a safari zone that unlocks after certain conditions are met.
But yea, I hope Gen VI pokemon get them too... Mega-Pangoro <3

So true, even to this day some in the KH fan base are still confused about the whole time travel thing of YMX...And the Zelda fan base still debates the time line despite the creators having made one...Come on guys it's not like Pokémon is introducing Time travel with people who perished in the past traveling to the future, or multiple split time lines...now that kind of stuff confuses both kids and adults...

As for the whole balance thing...some say that Ice is weak against fairy...if that's true than GF is just portraying a image of balance as the whole thing isn't really balanced...

Deokishisu August 8th, 2013 12:59 PM

I was so very excited for this new generation. I thought that with the shift to the 3DS and the lessons they learned from how the fandom reacted to Gen 5 that this would be the absolute-without-a-doubt best generation.

Now all I can say is... f*** Pokemon. This "feature" is a joke.

Austin1395 August 8th, 2013 1:02 PM

Don't get me wrong, and allow me to clarify, I'm not against shaking things up or adding new things to the games, I love it. I just don't like this. (Although I do think MegaAbsol looks cool)

This throws off the newly placed balance and other game mechanics.

DamienHelvian August 8th, 2013 1:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7774389)
So true, even to this day some in the KH fan base are still confused about the whole time travel thing of YMX...And the Zelda fan base still debates the time line despite the creators having made one...Come on guys it's not like Pokémon is introducing Time travel with people who perished in the past traveling to the future, or multiple split time lines...now that kind of stuff confuses both kids and adults...

As for the whole balance thing...some say that Ice is weak against fairy...if that's true than GF is just portraying a image of balance as the whole thing isn't really balanced...

Pokemon has done time travel before though XD and personally I like the thought as long as it's not complex...
I remember seeing a GIF of Dialga using roar of time and the shockwaves were cycling through the different pokemon game styles...that would be cool. In order to get older gen pokemon, you'd have to go BACK to that generation in-game ;D

Even older Zelda games were complex...I mean, Majora's Mask, anyone?

And speaking of time travel confusion...Doctor Who confuses its entire fanbase every episode.

@Austin
You keep saying 'balance, balance, balance' but do you REALLY think pokemon would completely screw things up by NOT balancing it out? They don't make those kinds of mistakes...I highly doubt it's unbalanced like you think it is.

Haza August 8th, 2013 1:02 PM

Who makes the thread without making sure the first post has images? Anyway... they're all boring and ugly.


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