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大輔 August 9th, 2013 10:16 PM

Hate For New Generation 6?
 
Anyone out there who hates Generation 6? Personally I love the concept, pokemon, and the new things they are adding. It gives it a fresh start for even older people who play the games. But I've talked to a few others about it and they've complained a lot about the new pokemon, evolution concepts, and bla bla bla. Any other people out there like that with legit reasons?

blue August 10th, 2013 2:37 AM

I can see a few people taking a dislike to the new Mega Evolution concept which I've personally grown to really like! As a whole this Generation so far has pleasantly surprised me and I wouldn't be surprised if this Generation became one of my favourites so far.

MrGriszell August 10th, 2013 5:59 AM

I understand that some people may not like it, the only argument that I wouldn't except is if they said it doesn't feel like pokemon. And don't get me started on when they compare it to digimon .

clefable919 August 10th, 2013 7:24 AM

Every new Pokemon game has this problem, and most people usually come around and get acquainted with the new Pokemon. Of course it's going to change each generation - it's how things evolve. I too think the new Pokemon and features look a bit weird, but I'm optimistic they'll grow on me like every other Pokemon game.

Oshamaru August 10th, 2013 7:38 AM

I used to dislike the Mega Pokemon, but now I think they could be a great addition to the series.

I know you can't change the opinion of others, but they shouldn't complain. People constantly complain that Pokemon doesn't add more stuff, and when they DO add stuff, they complain...Mega Evolutions, Pokemon-Amie, the PSS, customization...There's TONS of good additions that Game Freak will give to us.

Precious Tears August 10th, 2013 7:52 AM

In terms of fresh start, BW launched a sucessful one,
winning mainly positive feedback from game magazines, like Famitsu.
While RS receive a lot of negative feedback,
reasons including no cross-gen trading, "revamp" of the series etc...

Hopefully Game Freak learnt their lesson

Mithel_Celestia August 10th, 2013 7:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Oshamaru (Post 7778376)
I know you can't change the opinion of others, but they shouldn't complain. People constantly complain that Pokemon doesn't add more stuff, and when they DO add stuff, they complain...Mega Evolutions, Pokemon-Amie, the PSS, customization...There's TONS of good additions that Game Freak will give to us.

The irony is that people complain that Pokemon is getting boring over time and that it's not giving somthing new and it gets me dumbfounded that when big changes occur, they complain even more than when the changes didn't occur.

I am glad for the changes and to me the game is getting more epic than the static sprites and simple move animations the gamesonly showed before.

Zylas August 10th, 2013 8:01 AM

Sometimes, I don't understand people like these. I mean come on! A MEGA Lucario?! That's freaking awesome! And if it's freaking awesome, I'm all good with it B)

Iceshadow3317 August 10th, 2013 8:14 AM

When Megalution was first revealed, I thought the way they looked were awesome, but I didn't really like the concept for 2 or 3 simple reasons.
I thought they were real evolutions and not just forms. I thought that the names were stupid if they were new pokemon. I didn't want a Mega Blaziken to be far from the other Torchic line in the dex and all these megas would take up a lot of space in the dex.

However, once they confirmed that they were just forms, battle forms at that. I loved them tho I was already starting to like them. When they said they were forms, I found them 100% acceptable.

And honestly I am not a competitive battler, so in most cases, I could careless about the metagame.

BubbleBeams August 10th, 2013 10:25 AM

There will always be people who hate a newer generation. It will grow on some and others will continue to dislike it.
I don't understand it, but those people exist.

Personally I have been in love with Gen 6 since the very first reveal and it just keeps getting better and better. Only 2 more months. It's so hard to wait!!

Andrew August 10th, 2013 10:28 AM

A lot of it is just fear of the unknown. They see GF making all these changes and don't know how it will change the game, so they instantly hate it. It happens all the time whenever a change for anything is announced.

I'm excited to see how the changes play out, and how they will enhance (or possibly diminish) the overall experience of the game.

*Icecold* August 10th, 2013 10:41 AM

Imma hold myself back from screaming hate since everyone else is so positive.

I can totally see why, and I both dislike and accept mega evolutions. Their designs are pretty lazy (ZOMG LETS ADD LOTS OF RED THINGS ON LUCARIO!!!!) but the concept is... okay?

Dillon_68 August 10th, 2013 1:40 PM

"Hate for New Generation 6?"

None whatsoever. =)

*Icecold* August 10th, 2013 4:08 PM

I'll definitely hate it if they try to make it super duper easy or "kid-friendly" which in adult language is "take away anything bad and add tons of tutorials, oh and don't forget to put no effort into the plot; just think of an idea and go for it!".

mintbean August 10th, 2013 4:13 PM

I'm just glad its not the same type of pixels over and over again! :)

*Icecold* August 10th, 2013 4:22 PM

Heh, yeah. For four whole generations the pixels didn't even move!

TaintedHeart August 10th, 2013 5:56 PM

Not that I hate the new generation, Just concerned about its quality. I Loved Pokemon more for its simple yet creative creature designs, each design having a background relating from history to folklore. With the Mega Evolutions (Like most, I thought of Digimon) I was worried the designs and pokemon would lose their integrity. I guess thats really what I look for with each generation (Over time, its easy to just push out gimmicky creature designs to make deadlines and push more out faster).

Back on track, the new Mega Evolutions I am still skeptical about for several reasons.
1) Over time this might make Pokemon look really washed out and messy with all these Pokemon having alternate forms and these same Pokemon having Mega Evolutions during battle. It will start getting confusing like Digimon and each design will lose its unique luster.
2) This might be a way for the artists to push out more Pokemon at a time. I noticed the Mega Evolutions, since their not true evolutions, are updated designs (looking more hyped up and action figure like). Does this means that the Pokemon that get these Mega Evolutions won't evolve? If so, it seems like a short way out.
3) The Mega Evolutions are blurring the lines between itself and alternate forms. Though I think I can see the reason, which would be gameplay and training (This will def keep everyone busy with planning what moves and skills to give their Pokemon for battle)

* This sounds like a rant after reading, but it's really just worried speculation (from a designing stand point). Obviously GF isn't going to change anything (especially because it was already made and being released) from mixed reactions of fans. Over all I feel the New Generation has a lot of promise with technology, social networking, gameplay and storyline. Just have to wait for the big picture.

HeyLoro August 10th, 2013 6:07 PM

I don't know how I feel yet about the Mega Pokemon. Seems different I guess.

The games haven't come out yet though so I really can't find much to hate on...yet.

JordanD August 10th, 2013 6:25 PM

I have mixed feelings about the Mega evolution,while I like the design,I'm still waiting for more information before I can make a clear judgement,as for the Pokemon themselves,I like them a lot,I like how most of the pre-evos look really cute but have badass evolution xD.
Also Kalos(Karos?)Is a awesome looking region and I really love the new art style for it!

Aeroblast August 10th, 2013 6:35 PM

Higher risk, higher gain.

However I'm not too sure if Game Freak is going the right way about this. I'm worried about the power creep that has been settling in since Generation V and the effect that the "Mega Pokemon" will have in influencing it.

aspie3000 August 10th, 2013 6:37 PM

I don't really like the Pokemon designs.

MarinoKadame August 10th, 2013 7:04 PM

For me Mega pokemon reduce my hype for Pokemon X and Y I feel forced to have a Mega pokemon in my team now and also it seems most of the evolution and pre-evolution will never happen because they will just put a Mega on it and call it a day.

BeefTaco August 10th, 2013 7:41 PM

I like Mega Pokemon, is a much needed new battle mechanic. We still don't know enough about them to hate them I think. If after the game arrives we find out this new thing is game breaking then ok I hate it, but until then I put my trust on Gamefreak.

nicolasisinacage August 10th, 2013 7:48 PM

I also think that the whole "Mega" aspect of it isn't necessarily a good idea, I mean, it's a nice and fresh way to spice things up, but as for me, I'm content with the battles style we already have.

WingedDragon August 10th, 2013 8:05 PM

Haters will hate. I kinda wish they changed Mewtwo a long time ago, but I will pass opinion when I actually play the game

D Dog master of war August 10th, 2013 8:16 PM

I like everything about 6th generation.....Ok not Honegda....Megapokes FTW let haters hate.

Shrew August 10th, 2013 9:42 PM

There are a lot of reasons to hate the new pokemon games. A new "girly" type, requiring people to buy 3DS's, and blasphemously redefining "evolution" to something digimonish.

But more than ever, the frequently-used reason to hate pokemon "that it's always the same" no longer stands. We have change! :)

Jumpleet August 10th, 2013 11:18 PM

Many people didn't like 3D games in the past, mainly because they were slow on account of the move animations. I don't have a problem with it, but I wouldn't be surprised if smarks hate the jump to 3D.

*Icecold* August 11th, 2013 8:50 AM

I freaking hate Fairy already because Game Freak doesn't seem to know very much about fairies in general. It could make an amazing type edition, but not if every single Fairy type is pink, cute, big-eyed and sparkly.

Fairies aren't about glamour and cuteness, they're about trickery and folklore. If Game Freak doesn't create any real fairy Pokémon, I'm going to avoid catching one. That one in the flower is a step in the right direction, I must admit. It could actually be a fairy.

Mega evolutions just seem forced. I don't want a super saiyan Lucario, I just want a Lucario. You don't have it make it red. I like him the way he already is.

Atomic Pirate August 11th, 2013 9:31 AM

This whole idea of a "fresh new start" is nonexistent. That was claimed during the last (worst) generation, and now people are claiming that here? Okay, so what does this gen give us?

-Digivolution Mega Evolution
-Cotton Candy
-Fairies! (That is, pink, girly Disney fairies, not the more interesting mythical creatures)
-A supposed "stronger" Mewtwo that somehow looks weaker
-Yet another purely evil team with no real motive besides being evil
-3D! (That is, terrible, lifeless 3D that wouldn't even look presentable on the N64)
-You gotta buy a 3DS! Which has so many great games, like... umm... an incomplete mess of a Mario Kart game, or... uhh... a pitifully easy Mario game, or... umm... uhh......

I swear, this is shaping up to be even worse than generation 5.

mason385 August 11th, 2013 9:40 AM

I am personally more excited for Gen 6 then Gen 5. The customization of the protagonist is a great addition

Palkia August 11th, 2013 9:55 AM

Save for Xerneas, all the fairy pokémon are just tinkerbell-esque fairy types. One of them being cotton candy really does not help as well. In my opinion that's as stupid as the upside-down pokéball.

I am quite mixed on the Mega Evolutions, it felt rather shocking when I first saw it, but it could be a decent change of pace. The designs are disappointing, most of them just have random spikes and markings all over them and they feel less natural than any Digivultion (yup, I'm going to that extreme).

Everything else I'm ok with, however this generation probably won't be one of my favourites from how it's shaping up.

BraveNewWorld August 11th, 2013 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Para-Dox (Post 7780440)
Save for Xerneas, all the fairy pokémon are just tinkerbell-esque fairy types. One of them being cotton candy really does not help as well. In my opinion that's as stupid as the upside-down pokéball.

Remember that some past pokemon have changed to fairy. I do agree that of the new fairy pokemon only dedenne and xerneas stray from the modern appearance of fairies.

Generic Fairy Type
Jigglypuff
Flabebe
Spritzee
Swirlix
Sylveon

More Original Fairy Type
Dedenne
Marill
Gardevoir
Mawile
Xerneas

I'm not a fan of mega evolutions of already powerful pokemon. It could have been a great concept for weaker pokemon that they didn't want to introduce an evolution for.

Bad Mega Evolutions
Mewtwo
Ampharos
Blaziken
Lucario

Good Mega Evolutions
Mawile
Absol
Kangaskhan

SkyRyder August 11th, 2013 12:01 PM

There isn't anything that I dislike about the newer generation yet. The minute the September CoroCoro was leaked with hardly any information translated, I was skeptical about the Mega evolutions since I was both stunned and confused. As time progressed and information was shown I grew an interest and accepted them. Who cares if it's SSJ Pokemon or Digi-whatever? It's something new and optional.

My views might be different than others, since I'm a competitive player rather than a casual player & that I always look at things positively, and think how much better newer mechanics can be and just stay optimistic with them rather than complaining and never accepting change. Disappointments and pessimistic expectations are usually seen through every generation, but in the end they are just opinions. To each their own.

SaniOKh August 11th, 2013 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dillon_68 (Post 7778962)
"Hate for New Generation 6?"

None whatsoever. =)

Same here.

All I have for the new Gen is tons and tons of... curiosity. How will the new type blend in? How well will the 5 vs 1 battles play? How will the new 3D environment impact the movements on the overworld (so far we've seen the character swinging on vines, I wonder what else he's doing...) ? How will MegaEvolutions impact balance? Finally, how many Pokémon will we be able to catch?

I think I won't be able to answer these questions for myself until I play X/Y. As of now, I'm pumped up for its release even more than I was for Gold/Silver ten years ago.

*Icecold* August 12th, 2013 10:36 AM

I'm just like running down the posts and liking everything negetive about those darned fairies!

I have a bad feeling about this generation. They're going to overeggerate everything and build up our excitement with all of these leaks and commercials. Then, they're going to let us fall and drop when the games come out.

Because I swear, if Team Flare sucks and the rivals are goody-goody friends I will scream I TOLD YOU SO at the top of my lungs.

But I'm buying it anyways. Even if the games suck, I'll still like it for what it is. Generation 5 was a big disappointment, but I still enjoy it because the Pokemon (although poorly designed) are pretty decent and the characters are hiliarious to make fun of.

jfuze174 August 12th, 2013 2:35 PM

No hate for gen 6 even though I'm still a little skeptical about the megavolves every thing else seems fine I just hope fairy types don't look too cheesy

Sweets Witch August 12th, 2013 3:14 PM

This thread is painful to read and it's the embodiment of why I hate Pokemon fans.

That being said, it's pretty stupid to hate an entire generation and people should feel bad for being that stupid especially if that hatred is directed towards games that haven't even come out yet. Personally, I rather enjoy the steady stream of info that's been released over the last few months. It's a lot more than what's been released before previous games came out, but I'll bet my kidney that they're doing it because it's going to be a worldwide release. It's not like how it usually is, where Japan gets the games first and we get all of the information sans localization stuff at once while still waiting for our copies.

The actual aesthetics of the game are "So what?" at worst and don't warrant actual hate. Let's take the Fairy type, for instance. It was introduced to keep Dragons in check because - surprise! - Dragons are wicked strong. Keeping the mentality that Dragon types are strong because Dragon type is special because they're dragons is very childish. Bringing in something to knock them down a peg and help even the playing field is a great idea because Pokemon's got a huge competitive scene that needs some major balancing. Player-enforced rules will only go so far. And who cares if they decided to call it FAIRY? Fairy types are reminiscent of different kinds of fairies, kind of like how Dragon types are reminiscent of different kinds of dragons. Saying that Fairy type is stupid because of the name is like saying that Dragon type is stupid for the same reason.

Hating on designs is just as stupid because Pokemon can be based off of literally anything. Off the top of my head there have been sentient rocks, orbs, bats, reindeer, whatever Machop is, seeds, piles of slime, flowers, balls of gas, piles of lava, birds with multiple heads, magnets, and electricity. Saying that Pokemon designs are "getting" dumb is, in itself, dumb because they've been pretty consistent.

But guess what?

Spoiler:
It's a kids game.

Stop letting nostalgia cloud your mind.

Stop it.

Stop.

http://school.discoveryeducation.com/clipart/images/stopsign4c.gif

Appreciate the fact that the series continues to progress.

WolfMirage August 12th, 2013 3:39 PM

my and only complaint is just mega name, it just sounds and feel lazy, it like gf said forget creavity, if they change the names, then ill be happy, so far im loving the mega froms and all the other features gf as added

Atomic Pirate August 12th, 2013 3:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweets Witch (Post 7782554)
This thread is painful to read and it's the embodiment of why I hate Pokemon fans.

Touche. I'm sick of all the white-knighting sheeple who blindly love and accept everything GF churns out.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweets Witch (Post 7782554)
And who cares if they decided to call it FAIRY? Fairy types are reminiscent of different kinds of fairies, kind of like how Dragon types are reminiscent of different kinds of dragons. Saying that Fairy type is stupid because of the name is like saying that Dragon type is stupid for the same reason

Yes, different kinds of fairies. But most of them are of the over-saccharine pink sparkly puffball variant. Gardevoir, for one example, was a terrible choice of a Pokemon to tack the Fairy type onto. Just because it looks feminine doesn't mean it's a fairy. That's like saying, "Arcanine looks masculine because it has a beard. It needs to be a Fighting-type because Fighting is a masculine type".

The type is stupid because of the name, because it has nothing to do with fairies. You know, the beings from various mythologies? I'm pretty sure that there weren't any ancient mythologies that included sparkly "KAWAII DESU NE UGUU" pink abominations.

Xerneas is the only exception. And he's neither a sparkly pink thing, nor a proper mythological fairy.
He's a rainbow deer.

Dragon-types are fine because they actually look like dragons.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 12th, 2013 3:43 PM

I don't hate it but I also find the Mega tag lazy. They could added a different suffix...like Knight to all of their names...MewtwoKnight, BlazikenKnight. Or made a unique one for each one.

MrGriszell August 12th, 2013 4:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elgyem (Post 7782590)
Touche. I'm sick of all the white-knighting sheeple who blindly love and accept everything GF churns out.



Yes, different kinds of fairies. But most of them are of the over-saccharine pink sparkly puffball variant. Gardevoir, for one example, was a terrible choice of a Pokemon to tack the Fairy type onto. Just because it looks feminine doesn't mean it's a fairy. That's like saying, "Arcanine looks masculine because it has a beard. It needs to be a Fighting-type because Fighting is a masculine type".

The type is stupid because of the name, because it has nothing to do with fairies. You know, the beings from various mythologies? I'm pretty sure that there weren't any ancient mythologies that included sparkly "KAWAII DESU NE UGUU" pink abominations.

Xerneas is the only exception. And he's neither a sparkly pink thing, nor a proper mythological fairy.
He's a rainbow deer.

Dragon-types are fine because they actually look like dragons.

Aaaaaand that's when you lost me. I love the fairy type, and I LOVE that they're all small and pink cute animals that can take on dragons .
To be honest I personally feel that it should've been introduced earlier.

So far I love everything about gen 6 .
But that's just me. For some reason I don't get angry when a pokemon doesn't get a new evolution. I love that my rivals are just homies from my hood.

And we have to remember out of all the countries and culture that has been with pokemon , Japan's been down with it since the beginning . I mean yes pokemon is popular all over the world but not like it is in Japan . So even tho the world was hype with pokemon , the world as a whole lost interest. So Game freak catering to the japanese market is a good plan. Because of in 20 years pokemon popularity drops , while the world is on to the next thing I guarantee that Japan will be poke crazy .

So my thing is if the japanese want cute pink things I see no reason why GF wouldn't give it to them.
Maybe if the U.S would have the market to have a pokecenter in every state maybe they will listen to us. Lets face it the community is liking pokemon a lot more then they did years ago

darkpokeball August 12th, 2013 6:29 PM

PROS:
~Fairy-type! Yes, this is a pro in my opinion! I can't wait to see how this influences battle!
~Horde battles! This will shake up grinding!
~PSS! I'm especially excited for the Wonder-Trade feature! Sounds fun!
~Mega Pokemon! My first reaction was shock and a bit of hate, but then I realized it's a really awesome concept. Hoping for Mega Smeargle!
~Graphics. Need I say anything more?
~Pokemon Amie! YESSS!
~Super Training. This'll be sooo helpful in the long run.

CONS:
~Team Flare. I hate that they're limiting the evil pokemon to a fire-type theme. Froakie choosers will just breeze through them. I also hate their motives and designs. Team Flare, imo, looks terrible!
~Plot. It looks like the plot has taken a giant step backwards from Gen V.
~Sky Battles. Why do we need these again? They're just normal battles from the looks of it, but utilizing special camera angles.
~Pokemon STILL don't walk with you. That was my fav. feature in HG/SS.

Overall, the pros outweigh the cons. Looking forwards to Gen VI!

Sweets Witch August 13th, 2013 2:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elgyem (Post 7782590)
The type is stupid because of the name, because it has nothing to do with fairies. You know, the beings from various mythologies? I'm pretty sure that there weren't any ancient mythologies that included sparkly "KAWAII DESU NE UGUU" pink abominations.

>Ancient mythology
>Fairies

There's the problem right there. I really want to make a connection to fairy tales, where the dragon is a big evil beast that's slain by a hero with magical equipment, but there's no real connection to fairies there so I'll go for the next closest match: The Japanese fantasy genre.

There are tons of fairies of all kinds in Japanese fantasy. Hell, fairy companions are extremely popular and almost none of them look like Tinkerbell. Let's look at some. Warning: Image-heavy spoiler.



Etc. etc. etc. etc. Do you get my point? The games are made in Japan so the idea of fairies would be styled after kid-friendly fairies in Japanese culture. Hell, you should be arguing in favor of more fairies like Gardevoir since that's as close to Western fairies that you'll get.

MrGriszell August 13th, 2013 9:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkpokeball (Post 7782772)
PROS:

CONS:
~Team Flare. I hate that they're limiting the evil pokemon to a fire-type theme. Froakie choosers will just breeze through them. I also hate their motives and designs. Team Flare, imo, looks terrible!
~Plot. It looks like the plot has taken a giant step backwards from Gen V.
~Sky Battles. Why do we need these again? They're just normal battles from the looks of it, but utilizing special camera angles.
~Pokemon STILL don't walk with you. That was my fav. feature in HG/SS.

Overall, the pros outweigh the cons. Looking forwards to Gen VI!

1 Seriously ?in terms of evil teams pokemon Gen 1,2 we had zubats zubats and more zubats , gen 3 barly had water types mostly dark, some ground. Gen 4 we had skunks and fat kittens and oh don't forget zubats!!
Gen 5 we had watchhogs and puppies, BW2 was actually good with diversity but wait.... Didn't they bring back zubats!!!!
Ill take fire types anytime

2 lol we know absolutely nothing about the plot to even speculate on this matter

3 same reason we needed double and triple battles

4. I would of given you this one in gen 5 but now that the pokemon aren't pixels they don't look as cute following you as they did in HG Ss, lets imagine a wailord following you around in the new 3d graphics

*Icecold* August 13th, 2013 9:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweets Witch (Post 7782554)
This thread is painful to read and it's the embodiment of why I hate Pokemon fans.

That being said, it's pretty stupid to hate an entire generation and people should feel bad for being that stupid especially if that hatred is directed towards games that haven't even come out yet. Personally, I rather enjoy the steady stream of info that's been released over the last few months. It's a lot more than what's been released before previous games came out, but I'll bet my kidney that they're doing it because it's going to be a worldwide release. It's not like how it usually is, where Japan gets the games first and we get all of the information sans localization stuff at once while still waiting for our copies.

The actual aesthetics of the game are "So what?" at worst and don't warrant actual hate. Let's take the Fairy type, for instance. It was introduced to keep Dragons in check because - surprise! - Dragons are wicked strong. Keeping the mentality that Dragon types are strong because Dragon type is special because they're dragons is very childish. Bringing in something to knock them down a peg and help even the playing field is a great idea because Pokemon's got a huge competitive scene that needs some major balancing. Player-enforced rules will only go so far. And who cares if they decided to call it FAIRY? Fairy types are reminiscent of different kinds of fairies, kind of like how Dragon types are reminiscent of different kinds of dragons. Saying that Fairy type is stupid because of the name is like saying that Dragon type is stupid for the same reason.

Hating on designs is just as stupid because Pokemon can be based off of literally anything. Off the top of my head there have been sentient rocks, orbs, bats, reindeer, whatever Machop is, seeds, piles of slime, flowers, balls of gas, piles of lava, birds with multiple heads, magnets, and electricity. Saying that Pokemon designs are "getting" dumb is, in itself, dumb because they've been pretty consistent.

But guess what?

Spoiler:
It's a kids game.

Stop letting nostalgia cloud your mind.

Stop it.

Stop.

http://school.discoveryeducation.com/clipart/images/stopsign4c.gif

Appreciate the fact that the series continues to progress.

OMG I hate you all for having opinions!!

What's your problem? People are going to dislike things no matter what. If you have a problem with people being negative with things that aren't released yet, go somewhere else please. Either ignore or be polite. Because this post is anything but. Be a bit more openminded would you? Not everyone is going to drop down to their knees and worship the Game Freak gods without question 'kay?

What really annoys me about what you've said is "don't let nostalgia cloud your mind". God, you know what I hate about the Pokemon franchise? That just because someone dislikes something newer makes them a Generaton 1/2 worshipper.

Stop jumping to conclusions and act more openminded about other people! I never even played Red/Blue/Yellow/Gold/Silver/Crystal because they have remakes and I don't need to play them! Just because I dislike fairies and such doesn't make me and other people genwunners. I hate fairies because they're only designed to look adorable, and not to be based off of real fairies from mytholigy.

MrGriszell August 13th, 2013 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by *Icecold* (Post 7783620)
OMG I hate you all for having opinions!!

What's your problem? People are going to dislike things no matter what. If you have a problem with people being negative with things that aren't released yet, go somewhere else please. Either ignore or be polite. Because this post is anything but. Be a bit more openminded would you? Not everyone is going to drop down to their knees and worship the Game Freak gods without question 'kay?

What really annoys me about what you've said is "don't let nostalgia cloud your mind". God, you know what I hate about the Pokemon franchise? That just because someone dislikes something newer makes them a Generaton 1/2 worshipper.

Stop jumping to conclusions and act more openminded about other people! I never even played Red/Blue/Yellow/Gold/Silver/Crystal because they have remakes and I don't need to play them! Just because I dislike fairies and such doesn't make me and other people genwunners. I hate fairies because they're only designed to look adorable, and not to be based off of real fairies from mytholigy.

Lol it's funny because your post isn't Quite so polite and yet you condem him for the things your doing and your comebt is not coming off as open minded lol I see what your doing there reverse pschycolgy .

I like to think of myself a true fan of pokemon, its an aspect of my life . Some people make that aspect about sports or their job I make it about pokemon, pokemon is my part of my lifestyle ( the other two being god, and family)
I've been a fan since gen 1 when I was 6.
I'm all about the nostalgia .

But here's the thing generation one was good but not the best generation out there. Here's how I see all the gens

1 Generation one was good because it was something new there was yet to be a game like Pokémon before and this was just something interesting. Let's face it back then games were a little bit dull I mean yes you had your Mario and Final Fantasy but let's face it Pokémon really give you a connection to the character your playing. Take Mario for instance if you and your friend played Mario you will go to the same levels and beat the game around with the same things
But now look at Pokémon you and your friends can have the exact same game yet have different experiences different Pokémon and just make the game your own

22. Generation two was good because It took the old game that you love added a whole bunch of new characters and gave you a whole bunch of different new features And it lets you revisit the region of the old game to give you a huge dose of nostalgia

3. Now I'm not sure what everybody feel as for generation three. But I remember them announcing the game and seeing screenshots and stuff like that and pretty much I love everything about it of course I didn't really play the games until I was 20 years old But it really gave features such as double battles and natures which is pretty cool. I never once came close to completing the national Pokédex in generation one and generation two so not being able to migrate my Pokémon to generation 3 really wasn't that big of deal for me

4. Generation four was cool for implementing old features such as day and night Then we have the physical special split which was awesome We got wireless communications so you know so that was pretty cool you could trade with everybody all over the world.
It also took one of the greatest games gold and silver remade them and made it 10 times better

5. Generation five was cool because it made the battles faster, Added triple battles gave us dreamworld Pokémon drastically improve the Wi-Fi functions and gave us online battles Awesome mechanics such as move learn set revamp and reusable TMs
And they gave us one of the most detailed biggest deepest story we've had in a Pokémon main series game

So while I loved gen 1 I think gen 6 will be great
It's giving us a ton of new features it's giving us the ton of old Pokémon giving us old Pokémon with new transformations I see no reason why it wouldn't give us a greater story than generation five Really good wireless features The best graphics since the series came out And a awesome new type which hasn't been done since generation two And a new region and Pokémon

So I got mad love for generation six
And you're really going to have to bring your arguments up in order to show hate for .

Now granted when it comes to new Pokémon a new forms of Pokémon I understand at first you may not be feeling them because while they don't look like you might want them to look
Just keep in mind the only reason we love gen 1 pokemon was because there wasn't anything else to compare it to

Oshamaru August 13th, 2013 12:06 PM

Well, I don't know about the other people, but maybe they genuinely like everything reaveald so far about THIS Gen but disliked other changes. Just because people could genuinely like something doesn't mean they're people who blindly love and accept and worship the changes Game Freak makes.

I, for one, hated the Mega Evolution concept, and while I don't hate it anymore, I just wonder if it's a good idea or if it was neccesary. And lots of things in Gen 5.

Me pregunto si fue buena idea involucrarme en esto :I

Naikado August 13th, 2013 12:37 PM

I can't say I "hate" anything about Gen 6, because I don't fully or even well understand much of any of it yet.

I'm not too hot on fairies so far, because I love my dragons, and it feels that they're being severely undermined by being weak against a type that thus far looks frail, weak, and rather gimmicky. There's nothing about the fairies we have aside from Xerneas and a couple others that seem mystical or special or powerful to me, enough to take down a powerful beast. I know that's not what fairies are supposed to be about, but still, to me it just looks like a second normal type from the fact that the majority the Pokemon we have with it are a ribbon-covered-cutesy-fox-thing, a bottle of perfume, cotton candy, an electric hamster, a water mouse and Jigglypuff.

I can understand if that's just Japan's thing of making cutesy things into being magical, but I feel it could be done a lot better than what we're given so far, because they seem too, well, normal. But that's just me.


I'm also a bit iffy on these mega-evolutions. In some cases, we're giving major powerhouses even more power, like with Mewtwo and Blaziken, and in others we have Pokemon who might do better with an evolution instead, like Absol and Mawile. I just hope that for balance's sake, the former won't be allowed in wifi-battles or comes with a good deal of limitation, or instead of being a straight power boost, the Pokemon's power is reconfigured in a different way.

Other that I'm mainly cool with the what's been revealed so far, and I'm very excited for these games and am glad to have Y already preordered. There are no Pokemon that bug me too much, and if you don't like a Pokemon, you're probably only gonna see it when you're obliterating it.

(I still wish that food Pokemon weren't a thing but still)

Sweets Witch August 13th, 2013 6:41 PM

Let's break it down, PC user *Icecold*. Allow me to lead.

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Originally Posted by *Icecold* (Post 7783620)
OMG I hate you all for having opinions!!

Nah, I just hate opinions. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion unless it's baseless or ill-informed because nobody is entitled to ignorance and that's what a majority of Pokemon hate is formed around.

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What's your problem? People are going to dislike things no matter what. If you have a problem with people being negative with things that aren't released yet, go somewhere else please.
As I said, I have major problems with baseless hatred. Ignorance is my #1 pet peeve and I refuse to let it go unchecked. As you said, the games aren't even released yet. That alone is reason enough to roll my eyes at all of this negativity. Video game fans have gotten pretty haughty in the past few years and it's a terrible, terrible trend. Whether it's complaining about Mass Effect 3's ending to the point where a new ending is made just to shut people up or having the Devil May Cry reboot bomb in consumer reviews because people were upset that it took a new direction, the video game community's self-entitlement has been a major problem. More on this later.

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Either ignore or be polite. Because this post is anything but. Be a bit more openminded would you? Not everyone is going to drop down to their knees and worship the Game Freak gods without question 'kay?
We've reached "later". This is actually a really interesting thing that I've seen pop up a bit in threads like this. That mindset is very complex due to its primarily political nature. It makes sense to question your government and your media because the potential for withheld information is EXTREMELY high. There could be life-altering secrets hidden from the public or a focus in the news that serves to strategically avert attention from something much more important, and people don't deserve to be blindly herded like that. Questioning can be a very powerful tool when used properly.

The issue with this that's been bugging me all day is that applying it to this situation is kind of...well, stupid. Keeping the mindset that one must consistently question all of a video game developer's actions doesn't really get anywhere. The game will be released regardless of how wary a handful of people are about it, and one can assume that sales will be very good by using the past as an example. That being said, there's a very simple option that most people forget: One can completely opt out of the entire experience by simply not buying or playing the game. Nothing is being forced upon anybody.

In fact, this actually turns the tables a bit. It makes more sense for people who hate the games to keep their opinions to themselves because voicing those opinions would most likely start a conflict (see: here). Hell, it's my personal opinion that going onto a site based around an entire franchise and flaunting that one hates certain aspects of that franchise even though there will obviously be backlash from those who enjoy it is a terrible idea. I also believe that the way opinions are presented factors heavily into the possible reactions that people will have. For example:

"I hate gen 6 because Fairy types are stupid and they don't even look like fairies."
vs
"I don't understand why the Fairy type is named what it is."

(I totally tried to explain that this morning, by the way) Anyway, let's move on.

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What really annoys me about what you've said is "don't let nostalgia cloud your mind". God, you know what I hate about the Pokemon franchise? That just because someone dislikes something newer makes them a Generaton 1/2 worshipper.
This is another interesting point. Nostalgia refers to a longing for the way things were and I recognize that by never singling out one specific group of games. Generally speaking, the idea that new games aren't as good as past games is a form of nostalgia. Getting into a debate over what's considered old enough to be material to nostalgia over is a huge waste of time and not on topic with this thread so we'll stay away from that. My point is that people feel like new games ruin what they consider to be the peak of the series by adding more content that those people feel is needless. This happens every generation. Every. Single. Generation. It's understandable to a degree, but at some point people who genuinely enjoy the new releases get really sick of constantly hearing about how new stuff is crap.

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Stop jumping to conclusions and act more openminded about other people!
I've given much thought to the conclusions that I've reached and I'm quite content with them. If I really must defend myself, then allow me to say that if you are entitled to your opinions then I am entitled to mine and I'm very, very sorry that they don't line up.

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I never even played Red/Blue/Yellow/Gold/Silver/Crystal because they have remakes and I don't need to play them!
You totally should just for the experience. Like, this isn't me being elitist or anything. I'm genuinely recommending them to you because they're pretty fun. At the very least, play Yellow. There's a way to catch a Mew without using a hacking device and it just relies heavily on timing.

Also the tail end of this logic can apply to X/Y as well. You don't need to play them. As I've said in past threads similar to this one, nobody is forcing new games upon consumers. Buying a video game is an entirely voluntary option that can be avoided by, er...just not buying it.

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Just because I dislike fairies and such doesn't make me and other people genwunners. I hate fairies because they're only designed to look adorable, and not to be based off of real fairies from mytholigy.
See, that type of hatred is genuinely understandable because it has an actual basis to it and just requires a bit of explanation. I tried to do so in my previous post, what with the whole "Fairy types are modeled around the standard fairy archetype in modern Japanese children's entertainment" but I was half-awake and I don't remember how well that post turned out. I'd check, but I'm going to bed soon.


And with that, I would just like to offer an apology. I was irritated - I still am a bit - and I let it show, which was a huge faux pas on my part. I was tactless and rude while trying to get my point across and I am very sorry for being that way.

pokemondoesntcurecancer August 13th, 2013 7:22 PM

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Originally Posted by XSky RiderX (Post 7780589)
There isn't anything that I dislike about the newer generation yet. The minute the September CoroCoro was leaked with hardly any information translated, I was skeptical about the Mega evolutions since I was both stunned and confused. As time progressed and information was shown I grew an interest and accepted them. Who cares if it's SSJ Pokemon or Digi-whatever? It's something new and optional.

My views might be different than others, since I'm a competitive player rather than a casual player & that I always look at things positively, and think how much better newer mechanics can be and just stay optimistic with them rather than complaining and never accepting change. Disappointments and pessimistic expectations are usually seen through every generation, but in the end they are just opinions. To each their own.


i'm about to say my opinion. but when i read this. he said it all..

Ammako August 13th, 2013 8:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Shrew (Post 7779708)
There are a lot of reasons to hate the new pokemon games. [...] requiring people to buy 3DS's

Yes, let's keep Pokémon limited by the DS hardware just because some people don't want to buy a 3DS.
Heck, scrap the whole of Gen. IV and Gen. V, let's release D/P/Pt, HG/SS and B/W/B2/W2 on the GBA instead. Actually... Let's scrap Gen III/IV/V and release everything as a GBC-enhanced GameBoy game so that everyone can play it without buying another system.


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Originally Posted by Elgyem (Post 7780417)
-You gotta buy a 3DS! Which has so many great games, like... umm... an incomplete mess of a Mario Kart game, or... uhh... a pitifully easy Mario game, or... umm... uhh......

I swear, this is shaping up to be even worse than generation 5.

Terrible argument. You're saying that Pokémon X and Y Versions are shaping up to be worse than Generation V partly because other games on the 3DS aren't good?
Are you kidding me? Why would other games being good or not have any kind of effect on X/Y?

Oshamaru August 13th, 2013 8:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Pingouin7 (Post 7784439)
Yes, let's keep Pokémon limited by the DS hardware just because some people don't want to buy a 3DS.
Heck, scrap the whole of Gen. IV and Gen. V, let's release D/P/Pt, HG/SS and B/W/B2/W2 on the GBA instead. Actually... Let's scrap Gen III/IV/V and release everything as a GBC-enhanced GameBoy game so that everyone can play it without buying another system.

I think he was being sarcastic or something. (Or at least it looked like it)

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Originally Posted by *Icecold* (Post 7782245)
I have a bad feeling about this generation. They're going to overeggerate everything and build up our excitement with all of these leaks and commercials. Then, they're going to let us fall and drop when the games come out.

wat. That's kind of a weird argument.
But it actually sounds a little bit funny.

Cosmic Fury August 13th, 2013 9:28 PM

I personally am going to hold on an opinion for the most part until the games actually come out. Game Freak has been shown not to reveal a lot about the games until just before their release, or just after.

Either way, I don't really like forming an opinion with as limited information as this. What Game Freak is revealing at this point is only some of what's new out there. If I don't like it, there are tons of other aspects of the game that I'll likely enjoy more.

Will it be my favorite? Perhaps, perhaps not. What matters the most is actually seeing if the game is well worth the money I'll more than likely be investing in it, as I already have a 3DS.

darkpokeball August 14th, 2013 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by MrGriszell (Post 7783584)
1 Seriously ?in terms of evil teams pokemon Gen 1,2 we had zubats zubats and more zubats , gen 3 barly had water types mostly dark, some ground. Gen 4 we had skunks and fat kittens and oh don't forget zubats!!
Gen 5 we had watchhogs and puppies, BW2 was actually good with diversity but wait.... Didn't they bring back zubats!!!!
Ill take fire types anytime

2 lol we know absolutely nothing about the plot to even speculate on this matter

3 same reason we needed double and triple battles

4. I would of given you this one in gen 5 but now that the pokemon aren't pixels they don't look as cute following you as they did in HG Ss, lets imagine a wailord following you around in the new 3d graphics

Hm. I'd rather the evil teams not be based off of the starter types such as fire, water, grass. Any other type I'd be okay with. Also, the plot has leaked some details: Money. Team Flare's after money. Once more, this is a giant leap backwards from Gen V, which actually had a good plot(despite Ghetsis ruining it all near the end.) ...I love double battles, they're strategic and fun. Triple battles are a bit complicated, but they have their ups and downs. As for the 3d pokemon following you, maybe they could be chibi-fied? It would be amazingly cute for a chibi Wailord to be following you around.

jellotime91 August 14th, 2013 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by *Icecold* (Post 7779162)
Heh, yeah. For four whole generations the pixels didn't even move!

Well, Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum all had moving intro animations for Pokemon haha... Other than that yeah battles are crazy boring when I play gen 4 games now.

*Icecold* August 14th, 2013 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MrGriszell (Post 7783758)
Lol it's funny because your post isn't Quite so polite and yet you condem him for the things your doing and your comebt is not coming off as open minded lol I see what your doing there reverse pschycolgy .

I like to think of myself a true fan of pokemon, its an aspect of my life . Some people make that aspect about sports or their job I make it about pokemon, pokemon is my part of my lifestyle ( the other two being god, and family)
I've been a fan since gen 1 when I was 6.
I'm all about the nostalgia .

But here's the thing generation one was good but not the best generation out there. Here's how I see all the gens

1 Generation one was good because it was something new there was yet to be a game like Pokémon before and this was just something interesting. Let's face it back then games were a little bit dull I mean yes you had your Mario and Final Fantasy but let's face it Pokémon really give you a connection to the character your playing. Take Mario for instance if you and your friend played Mario you will go to the same levels and beat the game around with the same things
But now look at Pokémon you and your friends can have the exact same game yet have different experiences different Pokémon and just make the game your own

22. Generation two was good because It took the old game that you love added a whole bunch of new characters and gave you a whole bunch of different new features And it lets you revisit the region of the old game to give you a huge dose of nostalgia

3. Now I'm not sure what everybody feel as for generation three. But I remember them announcing the game and seeing screenshots and stuff like that and pretty much I love everything about it of course I didn't really play the games until I was 20 years old But it really gave features such as double battles and natures which is pretty cool. I never once came close to completing the national Pokédex in generation one and generation two so not being able to migrate my Pokémon to generation 3 really wasn't that big of deal for me

4. Generation four was cool for implementing old features such as day and night Then we have the physical special split which was awesome We got wireless communications so you know so that was pretty cool you could trade with everybody all over the world.
It also took one of the greatest games gold and silver remade them and made it 10 times better

5. Generation five was cool because it made the battles faster, Added triple battles gave us dreamworld Pokémon drastically improve the Wi-Fi functions and gave us online battles Awesome mechanics such as move learn set revamp and reusable TMs
And they gave us one of the most detailed biggest deepest story we've had in a Pokémon main series game

So while I loved gen 1 I think gen 6 will be great
It's giving us a ton of new features it's giving us the ton of old Pokémon giving us old Pokémon with new transformations I see no reason why it wouldn't give us a greater story than generation five Really good wireless features The best graphics since the series came out And a awesome new type which hasn't been done since generation two And a new region and Pokémon

So I got mad love for generation six
And you're really going to have to bring your arguments up in order to show hate for .

Now granted when it comes to new Pokémon a new forms of Pokémon I understand at first you may not be feeling them because while they don't look like you might want them to look
Just keep in mind the only reason we love gen 1 pokemon was because there wasn't anything else to compare it to

What's your point here? That I'm a genwunner? No, I'm not. Glad you see the good points of every generation, but I don't think you understand what I'm complaining anout.

And Sweets Witch, of course I accept your apology! It's okay to share your opinion with others but I would rather your irritation show so much you look pretty jerkish. Sorry if my message sounds rude as well... I just get steaming mad when people point fingers and call people genwunners when they have no idea what generations they play.

Not sure if I'm actually going to play Gen 1 and Gen 2, but I am interested in Yellow and Crystal. I want a Pikachu D:

Oshamaru August 14th, 2013 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by darkpokeball (Post 7785487)
Hm. I'd rather the evil teams not be based off of the starter types such as fire, water, grass. Any other type I'd be okay with. Also, the plot has leaked some details: Money. Team Flare's after money. Once more, this is a giant leap backwards from Gen V, which actually had a good plot.

They're after money, yes, but we don't know WHAT will they do with it.

Arlo August 14th, 2013 1:49 PM

Every new generation has people who invest all sorts of time and energy into hating it.

I don't know why they bother. They just waste a lot of effort convincing themselves to hate something that they haven't even played yet. They crash around forums, desperately trying to convince other people (and probably to some degree themselves) that their burning hatred of this game they haven't even played yet is justified because blah, blah, blah.

It's their loss. Just like with every other gen, while they're trying ever more desperately to justify their hatred with an ever more predictable and trite set of complaints (watertrumpetssurfingsnowdriftsoverdesignedicecreamconetrashbags), I'll be playing and enjoying another generation of games.

Xander Olivieri August 14th, 2013 1:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Arlo (Post 7785651)
Every new generation has people who invest all sorts of time and energy into hating it.

I don't know why they bother. They just waste a lot of effort convincing themselves to hate something that they haven't even played yet. They crash around forums, desperately trying to convince other people (and probably to some degree themselves) that their burning hatred of this game they haven't even played yet is justified because blah, blah, blah.

It's their loss. Just like with every other gen, while they're trying ever more desperately to justify their hatred with an ever more predictable and trite set of complaints (watertrumpetssurfingsnowdriftsoverdesignedicecreamconetrashbags), I'll be playing and enjoying another generation of games.

That is what you call a Troll my dear friend. They care too much that they hate absolutely everything about it and completely ignore everything else. Then they try to get others to hate it by spouting their hate, as idiotic as it usually is. This only makes them post more because they know it upsets the real fans of the series.

*Icecold* August 14th, 2013 2:25 PM

I'm just sharing my opinion with the forums is all. Negative or positive, a reasonable member will respect it U.U

I don't even hate the game because I can't hate the game because I can't even play the game. I just hate Fairy types.

I do, however, predict that this generation isn't going to be as good as it seems. However, let's all pray it will be! And I hate Generation 5 because of the storyline and how strightforward and easy it is.

(Take that Arlo :P)

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 14th, 2013 3:12 PM

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Originally Posted by *Icecold* (Post 7785658)
I'm just sharing my opinion with the forums is all. Negative or positive, a reasonable member will respect it U.U

I don't even hate the game because I can't hate the game because I can't even play the game. I just hate Fairy types.

I do, however, predict that this generation isn't going to be as good as it seems. However, let's all pray it will be! And I hate Generation 5 because of the storyline and how strightforward and easy it is.

(Take that Arlo :P)

I don't think you're a hater. Everyone has things they don't like and we're allowed to say so. Personally I enjoy everything so far. I pray that the plot is good despite the apparent goal down grade.

@ Arlo. I was reading that mush up of words and started with the end and ended up going backwards. When I got to the Water and Trumpets I couldn't help but laugh, it brought back memories...and all those reason sound horrible to say one hates the game...maybe dislike it...well the Trashbag and Ice cream cone maybe more understandable if those were the only Pokémon of that generation but they weren't...again I wish people would look at the whole picture...

*Icecold* August 14th, 2013 4:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7785750)
I don't think you're a hater. Everyone has things they don't like and we're allowed to say so. Personally I enjoy everything so far. I pray that the plot is good despite the apparent goal down grade.

@ Arlo. I was reading that mush up of words and started with the end and ended up going backwards. When I got to the Water and Trumpets I couldn't help but laugh, it brought back memories...and all those reason sound horrible to say one hates the game...maybe dislike it...well the Trashbag and Ice cream cone maybe more understandable if those were the only Pokémon of that generation but they weren't...again I wish people would look at the whole picture...

Thank you :3 I'll have to wait to be a hater...

And although I dislike the 5th generation, I like Vannilite/Vanniluxe and Garbodor's designs. They're colorful and original for being based off of inanimate objects. However, if you want a badly designed Pokemon look at Klink.

But I might as well say some things I do like about Kalos so far. The Pokeamie thingamajig is acutally going to have an effect on the Pokemon in battling, not just to spruce it up with fancy ribbons and achievements. (Although those are still pretty patties in eveyr which way.)

Many of the Pokemon's designs look pretty interesting. I like how this generation's bunny Pokemon isn't so.... you know. It actually looks like a real life rabbit and not some exaggerated.... yeah, I'll stop talking. Gym leaders look interesting, like the professor so far (Sycamore!!), legendaries are really cool and the fact that it looks like AC:NL with the improved sprites and graphics is awesome. And who would say no to customization? I can have a dark skinned protagonist! I've wanted to be black since the games came out! ^^

mason385 August 15th, 2013 7:59 AM

It seems with every new generation, people have their fears that it will be a disaster. Then after the generation they look back and realize, wow it was pretty awesome

TreeKangaroo August 15th, 2013 2:37 PM

It's called change, some people accept it, others don't. Which is silly because if pokemon was the same thing over and over agin it would take out the fun. A lot of people have been complaining for 4 generations about no new types and now fairy types are released and everybody starts complaining about it being "stupid" and such. Oh and it hasn't been confirmed that team flare's ONLY goal is money. It could be like Ghetsis lying all over again.
However...
I DISAGREE!(okay I couldn't resist)

*Icecold* August 15th, 2013 4:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TreeKangaroo (Post 7787268)
It's called change, some people accept it, others don't. Which is silly because if pokemon was the same thing over and over agin it would take out the fun. A lot of people have been complaining for 4 generations about no new types and now fairy types are released and everybody starts complaining about it being "stupid" and such. Oh and it hasn't been confirmed that team flare's ONLY goal is money. It could be like Ghetsis lying all over again.
However...
I DISAGREE!(okay I couldn't resist)

I'm okay with change. What I'm not okay is when they try to change and the attempt falls flat. Like how Gen 5 tried to have an edgy storyline with epic characters. But let's not talk about that...

And I hate Fairy types because they have sooo much potential but they're only giving the typing to cutesy Pokémon like that Pikachu rip-off (not that I have problems with Pikachu rip-offs) and Marill of all things decent.

Okay I'm just repeating myself over and over again. Let's just say I'm fine with change.

Wyntilda August 15th, 2013 4:07 PM

I just don't like it because it's being rendered in Unreal. And not only that, the graphics look like they're from MySims or something. Though I am still excited about Gen VI, and ponder it's hacking vulnerabilities. :)

TreeKangaroo August 15th, 2013 4:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Elgyem (Post 7780417)
This whole idea of a "fresh new start" is nonexistent. That was claimed during the last (worst) generation, and now people are claiming that here? Okay, so what does this gen give us?

-Digivolution Mega Evolution
-Cotton Candy
-Fairies! (That is, pink, girly Disney fairies, not the more interesting mythical creatures)
-A supposed "stronger" Mewtwo that somehow looks weaker
-Yet another purely evil team with no real motive besides being evil
-3D! (That is, terrible, lifeless 3D that wouldn't even look presentable on the N64)
-You gotta buy a 3DS! Which has so many great games, like... umm... an incomplete mess of a Mario Kart game, or... uhh... a pitifully easy Mario game, or... umm... uhh......

I swear, this is shaping up to be even worse than generation 5.

Since when do other 3DS games have anything to do if Pokemon X and Y are good or not? The 3D is the same as Animal crossing new leaf(an awesome game on the 3DS) and did anyone complain about AC? Nope. But this? Yep.

*Icecold* August 15th, 2013 5:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TreeKangaroo (Post 7787407)
Since when do other 3DS games have anything to do if Pokemon X and Y are good or not? The 3D is the same as Animal crossing new leaf(an awesome game on the 3DS) and did anyone complain about AC? Nope. But this? Yep.

That's not what he's trying to say... He's trying to say that if you don't already have a 3DS, in his opinion it won't be worth it because a lot of the 3DS games stink. If X and Y isn't as good as it seems and it's the only reason you buy a 3DS, he's saying it will be a total waste of money.

And it's only your opinion that AC:NL was awesome. Just because one game that you liked on that system was nice doesn't automatically make his opinion awful. (I liked the game too, but it seems that what your saying is that one game made the whole system look amazing.)

And I agree, the Mario Kart and Mario 3D Land games were pretty bad. And don't forget Pokémon Rumble and Nintendogs.

MrGriszell August 15th, 2013 5:39 PM

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Originally Posted by *Icecold* (Post 7787457)
That's not what he's trying to say... He's trying to say that if you don't already have a 3DS, in his opinion it won't be worth it because a lot of the 3DS games stink. If X and Y isn't as good as it seems and it's the only reason you buy a 3DS, he's saying it will be a total waste of money.

And it's only your opinion that AC:NL was awesome. Just because one game that you liked on that system was nice doesn't automatically make his opinion awful. (I liked the game too, but it seems that what your saying is that one game made the whole system look amazing.)

And I agree, the Mario Kart and Mario 3D Land games were pretty bad. And don't forget Pokémon Rumble and Nintendogs.

Funny thing about opinions , when a lot of people have the same one it tends to become fact
In regards to AC:NL this is from Wikipedia

The game itself has received overwhelmingly positive reviews. The Japanese version of the game received a 39/40 from Japanese magazine Famitsu, earning the publication's Platinum Award,[50] while the English version received an 8.0/10 from GameSpot, and a 9.6/10 from IGN.[59][60] The game also scored an 88/100 on Metacritic indicating "generally favorable reviews".[8] Many critics seem to agree that the game's visuals are great, and that the game has enough new content to keep both new and veteran players excited.

The game debuted in Japan with sales of just over 800,000 units sold with 200,000 of them being digital.[61][62]Animal Crossing: New Leaf became the first 3DS game in Japan to pass 2 million units sold, doing so in just under 2 months.[63] As of 31 March 2013 the game has sold 3.86 million copies in Korea and Japan.[64]

So in conclusion if someone were to say this is the best game ever that would be an opinion , if someone were to say that this game is awesome, well that would be fact since awesome is not a measurable unit and is determine by what people think , so by the response the game has had .....yes it is indeed awesome


And since its the job of the game to really sell the system , I can totally see one game making a system worth playing, now was ACNL that game? Well not for me but for some people it is. And I truly believe that the main series pokemon games that will be on the 3ds will be the games to make buying a 3ds worth it even if its just playing those games .

Did anyone here have a ps2? I didn't I had $200-$300 kingdom hearts playing machine lol ( get the point?)

Wobbu August 15th, 2013 5:39 PM

If the music is as good as it was in Gen. 5, I'll have no reason to dislike it 8 )

TreeKangaroo August 15th, 2013 7:27 PM

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Originally Posted by *Icecold* (Post 7787457)
That's not what he's trying to say... He's trying to say that if you don't already have a 3DS, in his opinion it won't be worth it because a lot of the 3DS games stink. If X and Y isn't as good as it seems and it's the only reason you buy a 3DS, he's saying it will be a total waste of money.

And it's only your opinion that AC:NL was awesome. Just because one game that you liked on that system was nice doesn't automatically make his opinion awful. (I liked the game too, but it seems that what your saying is that one game made the whole system look amazing.)

And I agree, the Mario Kart and Mario 3D Land games were pretty bad. And don't forget Pokémon Rumble and Nintendogs.

Nintendogs IMO is more of a mini-game, not like an actual game.(you know what I mean? All you do is walk dogs, contests.) I agree on the mario kart one but I haven't played the other one.(I only have 2 Mario games anyway) He should have worded it better IMO. Oh and I never said AC:NL made the 3DS amazing all I said was an example of a good 3ds game. And you can play older regular DS games on the 3DS.

*Icecold* August 16th, 2013 1:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MrGriszell (Post 7787502)
Funny thing about opinions , when a lot of people have the same one it tends to become fact

Just because a lot of people say the game is good doesn't mean that everyone thinks it's good though. There could be one person that prefers a different game over ACNL.

And is why are we even talking about videogame systems? Who gives a? This is a Pokémon forum where we talk about Pokémon.

TreeKangaroo August 16th, 2013 3:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Elgyem (Post 7782590)




Dragon-types are fine because they actually look like dragons.

I wouldn't say altaria looks much like a dragon. More like a fairy(yes, I said it)/flying type.

Fernando Torres August 16th, 2013 4:21 PM

If its bad. I will hate it. But fortunately I don't think it's bad and I hope it's what all the hype says it is.

TreeKangaroo August 17th, 2013 7:54 AM

I got a hopscotch theory for the legendary trio in this game. Evil creatures from fairy tales(folklore) and myths. They'll all be dual typed fairy and something else. Stupid I know, but just a guess.

Squirtl August 17th, 2013 10:45 AM

I don't see how anyone can hate the game yet their is literally nothing to backlash at yet. I'd understand if they played it and didn't like it but before you try it you shouldn't judge really.

MrGriszell August 17th, 2013 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by *Icecold* (Post 7788490)
Just because a lot of people say the game is good doesn't mean that everyone thinks it's good though. There could be one person that prefers a different game over ACNL.

And is why are we even talking about videogame systems? Who gives a? This is a Pokémon forum where we talk about Pokémon.

Well I was rebutting your argument so you kinda did. But this form is about why their is hate for gen 6 and the fact that its on the 3ds seems to be a reason so that's why I commented on it , but I see your point .

I think after the game convention and we get new info and they announce that the demo will be released on the eshop and people actually play them, most of the hate will disappear

大輔 August 17th, 2013 6:27 PM

I'm surprised people were so mad at the fairy type. I mean sure, most people thought light type would've been a good move or what not. But let's face it... we already had fairy-like pokemon so it made sense to do it that way

MrGriszell August 17th, 2013 8:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dabeatmaster123 (Post 7790498)
I'm surprised people were so mad at the fairy type. I mean sure, most people thought light type would've been a good move or what not. But let's face it... we already had fairy-like pokemon so it made sense to do it that way

I think because they were the ones that said they absolutely knew that GameFreak wouldn't make another type, it would never be done. Maybe they're just upset they were wrong and are taking it out on the new type

blaziken25 August 17th, 2013 9:01 PM

The haters are annoying in my opinion. They'll probably end up liking it.
X and Y has some really awesome concepts and my only problem with it is that it is only on the 3DS :( So now I really need to upgrade to it :)

Sneaky Truth August 18th, 2013 12:36 AM

I see this generation getting a lot of hate if it's released without any form of backwards compatibility, but I sincerely hope that this is Game Freaks way of completely overhauling and revolutionising pokemon data, stats, and variables such as the IV and EV system.

juney August 18th, 2013 5:47 AM

This looks s00000 awesome..I'm dying to get that mega blaziken. I honestly have mix feelings about that mega Mewtwo, it looks so OP. Also it seems that have something in place to make EV training a whole lot easier which is nice because its actually kinda annoying to defeat 4 pokemon to gain +1 stat before leveling. I absolutely must have this

Xander Olivieri August 18th, 2013 9:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MrGriszell (Post 7790693)
I think because they were the ones that said they absolutely knew that GameFreak wouldn't make another type, it would never be done. Maybe they're just upset they were wrong and are taking it out on the new type

No...I think its because they wanted Light Type. Majority of the people complaining were 100% certain that the new type was Light...since its been asked for since Gen 2.

As for the ones that didn't jump on the light bandwagon, they hate Fairy Type because its completely stupid. Doesn't follow stories/legends. They are all pretty much cute and cuddly creatures you'd see in a Disney movie. The overall idea was just dumb.

MrGriszell August 18th, 2013 2:06 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7791442)
No...I think its because they wanted Light Type. Majority of the people complaining were 100% certain that the new type was Light...since its been asked for since Gen 2.

As for the ones that didn't jump on the light bandwagon, they hate Fairy Type because its completely stupid. Doesn't follow stories/legends. They are all pretty much cute and cuddly creatures you'd see in a Disney movie. The overall idea was just dumb.

Sounds like they are mad to me lol

The idea isn't dumb , they are just basing it on the more modern interpretation of the fairy .
I doubt we have seen all the fairy pokemon maybe they have a balance, and if not so what it's pokemon of course it's going to have cute and cuddly monsters , heck even so of the pokemon who are supposed to be not cute is still sorta cute.

I'm still saying people are upset with this because they were wrong, lets face it I doubt any of you were fairy enthusiast before they announced it as a type .

Livewire August 18th, 2013 3:11 PM

You're going to get the usual wave of "hate" or "disappointment" with every generation. People will still end up loving these games I'm sure, and Nintendo will still make a killing off of X&Y.

I feel that people's emotions are stronger in the generations with the most change, see Gens II, III, V, and VI.

TreeKangaroo August 18th, 2013 3:24 PM

Xerneas isn't cute or cuddly, he'd probably stab you with his horns!

Squirtl August 18th, 2013 8:18 PM

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Originally Posted by *Icecold* (Post 7787457)
That's not what he's trying to say... He's trying to say that if you don't already have a 3DS, in his opinion it won't be worth it because a lot of the 3DS games stink. If X and Y isn't as good as it seems and it's the only reason you buy a 3DS, he's saying it will be a total waste of money.

And it's only your opinion that AC:NL was awesome. Just because one game that you liked on that system was nice doesn't automatically make his opinion awful. (I liked the game too, but it seems that what your saying is that one game made the whole system look amazing.)

And I agree, the Mario Kart and Mario 3D Land games were pretty bad. And don't forget Pokémon Rumble and Nintendogs.

Your kidding right? The 3DS has a plethora of amazing games. Weather it be KH: Dream Drop Distance, AC: New leaf, Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate (or the upcoming MH4), Mario Kart 7 (which if you actually played it you would know is the best mario kart to date), Ocarina of Time 3D, etc. The list goes on and on of great games.

The alternatives for mobile gaming are the Vita ( which has no software ) or Phones/tablets which have no quality games aside from ports from consoles/ emulators. So the 3DS really is a great investment if you want to game on the go even if X & Y are bad (Which they wont be).

the apex predator. August 19th, 2013 9:32 AM

I agree, there are always going to be people who complain about the new things. I'm a fan of the Mega Evolutions, I didn't like them when I thought they were just regular evolutions because I felt any more evolutions were basically useless, but now that I'm seeing they're temporary and work basically as digivolutions do in Digimon, I like them. I think it's a really good idea.

I'm hoping for eventually a new way to meet your starter rather than "here's your Pokemon, go bond with it" i.e. Professor Birch being in trouble and you having to select a Pokemon to save him, and maybe some sort of possible legendary evolution (other than Baby forms like Phione/Riolu) or slide between a legendary duo/trio (say, the ability to use, for example, a weather-based move that turns Lugia into Ho-oh and vice versa at the cost of one move) but from what I've seen of Gen VI everything seems to be pretty neat. They incorporated a lot of things people were complaining about so it just makes me laugh that people are still complaining about it.

Hiresh August 19th, 2013 11:25 AM

Really like the 3D graphics but i dont like most of the pokemons
except pancham everyone likes pancham

Zekrom1066 August 20th, 2013 1:42 AM

I don't really like the new generation, but I don't go to the extent of hating it, criticizing on everything bad about it and bashing it, just that I'm not really excited about the new Generation. Generally, I don't really care about how Generation 6 progresses though. Sad to say, but I think I would not change my opinion, as I don't really like changing views anyways... (Even if I decide to hate on it, I would only despise it secretly...)

Horde Encounters is like Mystery Dungeon all over again.

Then again, don't really like the Fairy-type either.

I don't like the Mega Evolutions. I have a feeling Game Freak is trying to dump random new forms on the more popular Pokemon, just like how they did with Mewtwo. This concept is similar to Digimon, and in my opinion, it's like taking away the Pokemon-ish feel. (If the Lake trio and Tao trio ever get Mega Evos, I swear I'm gonna shoot myself...) For example, I would prefer Zekrom to stay Zekrom, as that's what truly makes him(it) unique in his(its) own way.

Well, change may not necessarily be a bad thing, but I do feel that the series is changing too drastically. I would have preferred if the games don't change too much in just one go, such as the gap between Generation 5 and 6.

For me, I enjoy the games, as long as they're to my liking. I can accept changes made to the series, but not drastic changes. I personally would have liked it if the series did show obvious changes but still retained several original concepts. For example, I would have preferred if the Pokemon didn't gain new forms, because sometimes being yourself is more important, and that's what makes people or video games unique in their own way. I don't really mind rip-offs, but sometimes the uniqueness of the series has to be preserved to a certain extent. I do not mind even if the games stayed the same with a few changes from Gen 1 to Gen 5, as long as the main purpose of the series is still there, that's the main reason why I do enjoy video games.

The first ever Pokemon game I had was Platinum, the one I enjoyed the most so far was Black 2. As long I can have a decent game and build an army of Level 100s in the same old fashioned way or using similar methods, I am content enough. I'm referring to the game mechanic changes and new features from Gen 4 to Gen 5. For example, Join Avenue reduces the reliance on EV training. I still can build a Level 100 team using Join Avenue alone with $$$, which is somehow similar to EV Training the old fashioned way in Gen 4. Main point is as long as I can still achieve my main purpose of playing the game using the same or similar methods, I'm happy enough already. That's more or less why I don't mind if the series shows little or no changes at all.

I am neither a Genwunner nor one which gets so excited about new stuff, I am just an ordinary person who likes Pokemon. Genwunners can be annoying at times because they whine about the new stuff and cannot move on, while those who get thrilled about new stuff may also be annoying in another way. It's like they whine about people who don't like new stuff, such as the Mega Evos which at first glance seem appealing to them, and to a certain extent question the other person why do they not like this or that.

Example: HOW CAN YOU NOT LIKE THIS?!! IT'S DAMN COOL AND EPIC!!!

The only thing I can say that it's a subjective question, everyone has their own preferences.

Note: I am not here to convince people that Generation 6 is bad, I am only stating how I view upon the new Generation. I may dislike the new Generation but nonetheless, I have accepted the changes GF did to Pokemon. Since I have accepted the changes, I wouldn't really whine about the new stuff, but I will still state my opinion if I want to. As in whether I like or dislike this, instead of coming out with a list of bad things and whining about it all day long endlessly.

(Well, if you don't like the game, then don't play or even purchase it. I'm not getting a 3DS anyways, and I wouldn't want to waste money on it. It's better to ignore the things you dislike rather than whine angrily about its faults.)

bayleef404 August 20th, 2013 7:43 AM

I think there going to be amazing with the new graphics pokémon. mega evolutions look awesome. the new type (fairy) well change up battles online and to me over all to me they look like there going to be great and a fresh start on the series. the only ones I've seen hate on the games is the annoying gen one fan base.

Sirfetch’d August 20th, 2013 4:17 PM

With every new generation, you are going to have fans state their distaste because "this isn't Pokemon anymore". I just block this out because Pokemon is still impressing me and I feel this gen is the best ever from what we have seen so far.

Hikamaru August 20th, 2013 4:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jellicentfan1 (Post 7795496)
With every new generation, you are going to have fans state their distaste because "this isn't Pokemon anymore". I just block this out because Pokemon is still impressing me and I feel this gen is the best ever from what we have seen so far.

Basically I agree with him. I know what it's like, every time I see a new generation announced and the news is getting revealed month by month, some fans throw hate on said generation due to new features and the appearances of the new Pokemon, but basically Game Freak's making the move forward, with new improvements and such and given how popular Pokemon has been for years there's a reason why it's still one of the biggest money-making gaming franchises, it's the second-biggest to be specific, only behind the Mario series.

To be honest, I'm impressed with everything X & Y has shown so far, it could essentially top 5th Gen as my new fave generation. Kalos is an impressive region, the Pokemon all have great designs and the features show this is easily a sign of improvements and some, like Mega-Evolutions were totally unexpected. And not to mention how epic the games look now they're in full 3D!

the apex predator. August 20th, 2013 4:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Zekrom1066 (Post 7794390)
For example, I would have preferred if the Pokemon didn't gain new forms, because sometimes being yourself is more important, and that's what makes people or video games unique in their own way.

I really like this. It's good to know that there are still people who are into these sort of things, after all, that's what Pokemon was founded off of----the little 'what did we learn today' at the end of each episode and in the games, and it's really making me happy that at least one person is still looking at that sort of thing. :3

Sirfetch’d August 20th, 2013 4:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7795542)

I think people would eventually warm up to these games anyway, once they get their hands on it. B]


As they usually do right? I totally agree with that and I feel most haters will later see that these games are probably the best so far. There has never been such a jump in improvement from one generation to the next, imo.

lovechicken August 20th, 2013 4:58 PM

It looks pretty promising, although I haven't gotten over the fact that I have to blow all that money on a 3DS now (good tactic, nintendo, but whyyyyy).

I just feel like this whole thing is designed for or by a girl, which is ok, since I am one. Brand new fairy type, being able to pet your pokemon now, camera, sylveon in general (I can't look at it the same way now that someone pointed out to me that it has bows made of flesh). I'll have to hear the cries they come up with to determine the girliness. I bet it's just how it seems so far. They haven't shown enough hardcore looking pokemon or any legendaries (besides the main ones) yet for any judgement to be made, but I have to say I REALLY love Yvetal. It's a really awesome looking thing, like the offspring of groundon and lugia. I like the squid pokemon (it looks really mean) and I REALLY REALLY LOVE the Mawile super-evolution. I've been saying it forever - Mawile and Sableye are in extreme need of an evolution. I am really disappointed that Mawile has to turn back after battle. Mawile is one of my favorite pokemon.
I just hope this new game isn't all prettiness. They need to make the games a little harder. Things used to be really hard, in the GBA games at least. To get the Regis in Ruby you have to do all this stuff, like have a relicanth and wailord and figure out the secret language in the hard-to-get-to-caves and do weird stuff to make them appear - it's all madness. It's far to easy in the new games.

Shrew August 21st, 2013 6:40 PM

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Originally Posted by lovechicken (Post 7795567)
I just feel like this whole thing is designed for or by a girl, which is ok, since I am one. Brand new fairy type, being able to pet your pokemon now, camera, sylveon in general (I can't look at it the same way now that someone pointed out to me that it has bows made of flesh). I'll have to hear the cries they come up with to determine the girliness. I bet it's just how it seems so far. They haven't shown enough hardcore looking pokemon or any legendaries (besides the main ones) yet for any judgement to be made, but I have to say I REALLY love Yvetal.

Pangoro and Woivern (along with Yveltal) are examples of vicious looking pokemon they revealed. Even though I personally have preference for the cute things like you, I do believe that they should pander more to the fanbase who likes aggressive looking pokemon.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 21st, 2013 6:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Shrew (Post 7797688)
Pangoro and Woivern (along with Yveltal) are examples of vicious looking pokemon they revealed. Even though I personally have preference for the cute things like you, I do believe that they should pander more to the fanbase who likes aggressive looking pokemon.

Some beleive that the additon of Mega Evolutions is to pander to said fanbase who like aggressive looking Pokemon.

TreeKangaroo August 26th, 2013 2:49 PM

Well, sylveon bows made of flesh ruins the kawaii desu fairy types.


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