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Cordelia February 12th, 2014 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Zach (Post 8091458)
Hmm, that seems a little intriguing.. hopefully though Microsoft doesn't decide to build off of Android because they've done just as fine with Windows Phone OS, IMO.

Yes but the app store is severely lacking and that's what's killing them with market penetration.

Aeroblast February 12th, 2014 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by 루기아 (Post 8091299)
Quoting myself to be an attention w... you know what I mean.

...I'm still here. Anybody?

http://fireemblemwiki.org/w/images/thumb/6/6c/Portrait_kellam_fe13.png/200px-Portrait_kellam_fe13.png

*leaves quietly*

donavannj February 12th, 2014 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by 루기아 (Post 8091474)

Not having actually gone for a full Comp. Sci. degree myself, I have no idea what you are referring to.

Aeroblast February 12th, 2014 11:36 AM

BNF (Backnus-Naur Form): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backus%E2%80%93Naur_Form

It's used to describe syntax of programming languages. I mean, if now nobody knows what I'm talking about, then the question I'll ask will probably be gibberish to y'all anyways.

Legendary Silke February 12th, 2014 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by CC (Post 8091460)
Yes but the app store is severely lacking and that's what's killing them with market penetration.

Kind of a chicken-and-egg problem they've got there, to be honest.

donavannj February 12th, 2014 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Twiggy (Post 8091505)
Kind of a chicken-and-egg problem they've got there, to be honest.

It'll probably employ some sort of emulation in the vein of what WINE does for Macs and Linux distros. I think Microsoft will be fine.

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Originally Posted by 루기아 (Post 8091496)
BNF (Backnus-Naur Form): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backus%E2%80%93Naur_Form

It's used to describe syntax of programming languages. I mean, if now nobody knows what I'm talking about, then the question I'll ask will probably be gibberish to y'all anyways.

Not fluent in it at all.

Tsutarja February 12th, 2014 2:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 루기아 (Post 8091474)

Sometimes if there's too technical of a topic, it might get overlooked. It happens every now and then, unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by Twiggy (Post 8091505)
Kind of a chicken-and-egg problem they've got there, to be honest.

Does Microsoft have an SDK of sorts for developers or developer fees to upload apps? Honestly, I don't see why people aren't developing for Windows Phone OS.. it's just as powerful as iOS and Android, even though it may not be as popular as the former two.

Aeroblast February 12th, 2014 3:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Zach (Post 8091756)
Sometimes if there's too technical of a topic, it might get overlooked. It happens every now and then, unfortunately.

Or I'm just too smart for everyone

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Originally Posted by Zach (Post 8091756)
Does Microsoft have an SDK of sorts for developers or developer fees to upload apps? Honestly, I don't see why people aren't developing for Windows Phone OS.. it's just as powerful as iOS and Android, even though it may not be as popular as the former two.

Honestly I think it's just that Apple and Android are too dominant in the handheld department at the moment for Windows to break through.

Legendary Silke February 12th, 2014 9:08 PM

You know, I'd probably hate having to choose between either of these. I prefer the balanced compromise with Windows Phone, to be honest.

Tsutarja February 13th, 2014 3:36 AM

I really wish more people developed for Windows Phone, like really. One (official) app I'd like to see on the Windows Phone app store is Dropbox.. all I've seen so far for Dropbox is just a bunch of knock-off apps that aren't official.

Legendary Silke February 13th, 2014 3:48 AM

The fun part about mobile market share is that it's not that clear cut. Sometimes, the second place holder isn't iOS, but... Windows.

Cordelia February 13th, 2014 5:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Twiggy (Post 8092622)
The fun part about mobile market share is that it's not that clear cut. Sometimes, the second place holder isn't iOS, but... Windows.

Please explain to me how that's not completely wrong.

Fernbutter February 13th, 2014 5:54 AM

Well that is rather ironic, and actually kind of weird...

Well you never know, sometimes Windows just kinda gets through, not sure how, but it just does.

Tsutarja February 13th, 2014 6:00 AM

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Originally Posted by CC (Post 8092706)
Please explain to me how that's not completely wrong.

I'll just go ahead and second this notion.

Legendary Silke February 13th, 2014 6:44 AM

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Originally Posted by CC (Post 8092706)
Please explain to me how that's not completely wrong.

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Originally Posted by Zach (Post 8092716)
I'll just go ahead and second this notion.

I believe I never mentioned that I think this is wrong ;)

Either way, what I'm saying is that when it comes to market share, one should take into account other regions.

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Originally Posted by Fernbutter (Post 8092707)
Well that is rather ironic, and actually kind of weird...

Well you never know, sometimes Windows just kinda gets through, not sure how, but it just does.

I do also know some countries where BlackBerry still has a strong hold ;)

Cordelia February 13th, 2014 6:50 AM

So basically, you're saying there are some smaller countries where they have a stronger footing... yes. But overall marketshare is what we're discussing. XD

SS01 February 13th, 2014 5:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Twiggy (Post 8092763)
I believe I never mentioned that I think this is wrong ;)

Either way, what I'm saying is that when it comes to market share, one should take into account other regions.



I do also know some countries where BlackBerry still has a strong hold ;)

I live in one of these countries. Can confirm that everyone in Canada still uses BlackBerries :(

Tsutarja February 13th, 2014 5:44 PM

I remember when my parents walked into a Verizon Wireless store back in either 2005 or 2006 and I saw a Blackberry phone, and I was intrigued by it. Of course though I was out of my mind at the time (being 10 or 11 years old) thinking I could have one xD but it was definitely in the time before smartphones became the thing to own..

donavannj February 13th, 2014 7:43 PM

I remember when my dad had one. One of the first in his company to get one since receiving emails if something went down relating to the servers was something deemed vital enough to the company that it needed to be responded to ASAP.

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Originally Posted by Twiggy (Post 8092763)
I do also know some countries where BlackBerry still has a strong hold ;)

From a sysadmin standpoint, Blackberry is far and away the worst of the major platforms. It requires a dedicated server running its Blackberry management software in order for Blackberry users to receive emails on their Blackberries. Those resources could be better used for something else since most enterprise grade mail servers can handle pushing to smartphones on their own without straining much at all.

Tsutarja February 14th, 2014 4:54 AM

Wow, that's kinda...old and behind, isn't it? :p

At least with Android, iOS and probably Windows Phone OS as well, receiving emails doesn't require a dedicated server.

Legendary Silke February 14th, 2014 7:57 AM

Most modern smartphone, as well as many older smartphone platforms should be able to handle POP, IMAP, and Exchange ActiveSync well. That'd include most Android versions in widespread use, iOS, Windows Phone, Windows Mobile, Symbian OS, and BlackBerry OS 10.

BB7... ugh.

(I really like Exchange ActiveSync. You probably haven't realized it yet, but if you're using a corporate, educational (backend by Microsoft or set up in-premises), or a Windows Live/Hotmail/Outlook.com account, you're likely to be using it. Efficient push email and contacts/calendar sync is a very nice thing to have!)

(And speaking of Exchange and emails, I wonder how many people realize that Exchange Server had a very bad case of an accidental stress test a long time ago?)

Tsutarja February 14th, 2014 8:59 AM

I used to use my hotmail.com email address a lot 2-3 years ago, but I don't use it so much anymore, except to log into Skype with so that my MSN contacts stay in sync. And yep, my school's email system uses Outlook 365.

Legendary Silke February 14th, 2014 9:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Zach (Post 8094633)
I used to use my hotmail.com email address a lot 2-3 years ago, but I don't use it so much anymore, except to log into Skype with so that my MSN contacts stay in sync. And yep, my school's email system uses Outlook 365.

...Mine, too. (It's everywhere!)

It felt weird to see "*.outlook.com" before Outlook.com came out :3

What account do you use more often on your phone, anyway? Sometimes it's more convenient to keep everything in one place.

Tsutarja February 14th, 2014 9:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Twiggy (Post 8094652)
What account do you use more often on your phone, anyway? Sometimes it's more convenient to keep everything in one place.

I'm signed into my hotmail.com account just because it's Microsoft, but I typically don't read emails when I'm not home, unless I'm reading my school email.

donavannj February 14th, 2014 9:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Zach (Post 8094265)
Wow, that's kinda...old and behind, isn't it? :p

At least with Android, iOS and probably Windows Phone OS as well, receiving emails doesn't require a dedicated server.

They do, they just don't require their own separate server.

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Originally Posted by Twiggy (Post 8094512)
Most modern smartphone, as well as many older smartphone platforms should be able to handle POP, IMAP, and Exchange ActiveSync well. That'd include most Android versions in widespread use, iOS, Windows Phone, Windows Mobile, Symbian OS, and BlackBerry OS 10.

BB7... ugh.

(I really like Exchange ActiveSync. You probably haven't realized it yet, but if you're using a corporate, educational (backend by Microsoft or set up in-premises), or a Windows Live/Hotmail/Outlook.com account, you're likely to be using it. Efficient push email and contacts/calendar sync is a very nice thing to have!)

(And speaking of Exchange and emails, I wonder how many people realize that Exchange Server had a very bad case of an accidental stress test a long time ago?)

Exchange is still a huge PITA at times from an administrative standpoint (especially when trying to upgrade between versions), but it's great at handling high volumes of email and has oodles of useful features.

Also, BB 10 still had that stupid Blackberry Management software that it needed installed to be used to store files.


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