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Legendary Silke March 18th, 2014 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by countryemo (Post 8153329)
Well I done did messed up.. I'm starting to theme windows, made a windows 8 like desktop, then download a windows 8 theme, all was good. Decided to do a mac theme next, it was a installer, had a feeling it was bad idea. Well I stopped it, unistalled it, and now my taskbar is gone, windows button dosent work, and desktop icons are gone, widgets and wallpaper are still there, but its not even right-clickable. URGENT. I could restart it, and see if that works. but it was in middle of a scan, sigh.

CONTROL-SHIFT-ESC to open Task Manager. (You may need to show more details.)

Run Explorer from there. It should bring the desktop back. (I suspect the installer killed the Explorer process without restarting it.) (Let's hope nothing changed with regard to running applications from Task Manager in Windows 8.)

countryemo March 18th, 2014 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Twiggy (Post 8153332)
CONTROL-SHIFT-ESC to open Task Manager. (You may need to show more details.)

Run Explorer from there. It should bring the desktop back. (I suspect the installer killed the Explorer process without restarting it.) (Let's hope nothing changed with regard to running applications from Task Manager in Windows 8.)

Its still Win7, but themed. Anyways I chose to restart anyways, everything seems back to normal, but I'm worried it might still cause me trouble it the future.

Kakarot1212 March 19th, 2014 1:13 AM

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Originally Posted by countryemo (Post 8153350)
Its still Win7, but themed. Anyways I chose to restart anyways, everything seems back to normal, but I'm worried it might still cause me trouble it the future.

If you will still encounter this on the future, all you have to do is open the task manager(ctrl+shift+esc). Then click "new task..." and type in "explorer.exe" :)

Tsutarja March 19th, 2014 1:13 AM

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Originally Posted by countryemo (Post 8153350)
Its still Win7, but themed. Anyways I chose to restart anyways, everything seems back to normal, but I'm worried it might still cause me trouble it the future.

If you worry that it's going to cause trouble in the future, then I really suggest you revert any changes now to prevent further corruption inside your system, now that you've had that experience.

Kakarot1212 March 19th, 2014 1:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Terabyte (Post 8153412)
If you worry that it's going to cause trouble in the future, then I really suggest you revert any changes now to prevent further corruption inside your system, now that you've had that experience.

Or you could simply uninstall them.

Tsutarja March 19th, 2014 1:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Hiroshi Kaede (Post 8153418)
Or you could simply uninstall them.

That's exactly what I said, just worded more complex.

countryemo March 19th, 2014 2:00 AM

Yeah I unistalled everything, I think, I'll go through again later and a power clean (maybe, that messed me up a bit last time).

Spoiler:

My purty desktop, haha.
http://i.imgur.com/N0wuCHX.png


And twiggy, isn't Surface pretty much a laptop anyways? (if you got the pro version).

Tsutarja March 19th, 2014 3:25 AM

The Surface Pro does run Windows 8 instead of Windows RT, but I guess it's just his preference :P In other words, the Surface Pro is pretty much a tablet that runs Windows 8 that can be converted into a laptop with the extra keyboard accessory.

Legendary Silke March 19th, 2014 3:31 AM

Just remember to not run Explorer from an elevated Task Manager, or everything launched by the newly-instated Explorer will run elevated. ;)

The RT Surface variants are more tablets than laptops, even when you account for the keyboard covers. Still, one can get quite a lot done in the desktop with just Microsoft Office, OneNote (I'm now counting it as a separate app), and Internet Explorer, as well as various Windows apps that come with any Windows installation. Things should be quite better in Windows 8.1 Update 1, too, seeing as Modern UI... er, Windows Store apps will gain some usability enhancements while using a PC like a desktop or laptop.

Terabyte March 19th, 2014 3:34 AM

I will say, I noticed that Microsoft ditched the UAC requirement to run Windows apps from the start menu. Back when Windows 8.1 first went into a release preview I downloaded it, installed it to a spare computer, and disabled UAC only to find that the apps (such as the weather app) wouldn't work without UAC enabled. But now that I have an actual Windows 8.1 laptop, I disabled UAC and the weather app still works.

blue March 19th, 2014 7:58 AM

Need some advice, I'm planning on buying a new Laptop and I'm quite set on getting an Apple Mac. I know the price tag for these things are very steep but I assume that's for the sole reason is because the performance is outstanding, does anybody own a Mac Book that would recommend buying one? My prioritized use would be for gaming, and there is another reasonably similar priced Laptop that is more tailored to gaming specifically which is this one. Any recommendations from personal experience with either Laptops? I wouldn't be too bothered but with such a high price tag I wanna make sure I'm getting the most out of my money. ;3

Legendary Silke March 19th, 2014 8:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Cat (Post 8153885)
Need some advice, I'm planning on buying a new Laptop and I'm quite set on getting an Apple Mac. I know the price tag for these things are very steep but I assume that's for the sole reason is because the performance is outstanding, does anybody own a Mac Book that would recommend buying one? My prioritized use would be for gaming, and there is another reasonably similar priced Laptop that is more tailored to gaming specifically which is this one. Any recommendations from personal experience with either Laptops? I wouldn't be too bothered but with such a high price tag I wanna make sure I'm getting the most out of my money. ;3

Don't get a Mac for gaming.

Stick with Windows laptops - you'll save a lot in terms of both hardware and OS prices. (Games are still Windows territory.)

Many laptop manufacturers make gaming laptops and/or high-performance multimedia laptops. (Take Toshiba, for example - a Satellite P-series (high-performance standard multimedia) or a Qosmio (gaming) would do for them. Most other manufacturers have similar line-ups.)

What settings do you intend to target (in terms of quality and resolution)? What will you be playing? I would strongly suggest that you look at laptops from at least three brands. Do you want to factor in portability?

Keep in mind of this: price, graphics performance, portability. Pick two.

donavannj March 19th, 2014 8:18 AM

Hardware-wise, the Lenovo IdeaPad you're looking at is dramatically better than the MacBook Pro, just looking at raw specs. Even with BootCamp, the IdeaPad is probably going to be dramatically more cost-effective for gaming power. You get 8GB right out of the box with the IdeaPad you're looking at for $1200 USD, while you have to pay $1500 to get up to that amount with a dramatically smaller display and still only have 1/4 the storage space of the Lenovo (granted, the cheapest MBP with 8GB of RAM is using an SSD). It's also worth nothing that a Windows install itself takes up between 20 GB and 40 GB of hard drive space, so you won't have much space for anything at all on the cheapest MBP option if you have both OSes installed.

Here's the US Lenovo page for a comparison of the options for each potential option of the Y510P out of the box:
http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/ideapad/y-series/y510p/

Here's the US Apple page for the MBP for the comparison of each specs available:
http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs-retina/

Some other questions that may influence my recommendation:
Are you a Mac user or a Windows user? Would you be comfortable learning Windows 8 on the fly? Do you mind a 13 inch display? Is a 15 inch too big of a display (most laptops of the past decade have used 15 inch displays, for reference)?

Displays are measured by the diagonal distance between opposite corners if you need some means of getting perspective on how big the displays will be.

Also, like Twiggy said, look at more than just Lenovo and Apple if this is going to be your primary gaming rig.

Legendary Silke March 19th, 2014 8:30 AM

Also, I think it would be wise to remind that almost every Intel CPU (aside from CPUs based on Bay Trail, but I'm sure you're not looking at below Core i5 series, right?) out there is fast enough for anything but Company of Heroes 2 (ULV processors cry at that). (If you're looking for gaming laptops, make that fast enough for anything, period.)

The more important part is the GPU - you want as much GPU as possible, but don't neglect the existence of an integrated Intel GPU, too - you want to have Optimus, if only to prevent the battery from behaving more like a glorified UPS that can't protect against unstable AC power supply.

If you intend to game, it'd be also wise to have at least one HDD in the laptop you're going to buy. Games take up a lot of space, and some tiny SSDs might leave you up and cold if you factor in Windows, system files, and common applications. (If I were you, I'd set things up so that any discrete SSD that's less than 120 GB large is configured as a cache. You won't have to shuffle items if need be.)

There are also certain things that you can't check by looking at the specifications - display brightness, display colour temperature (not as important, as it's easily fixed in software), display colour gamut, keyboard feel, touchpad feel, speaker quality, and noise. I would suggest that you demo a laptop if you're able to.

Tsutarja March 19th, 2014 5:29 PM

I didn't demo my laptop when I got it, but luckily for the price I got it for, it has good speakers and a decent built-in microphone, unlike my previous laptop, which had a confirmed hardware flaw with its built-in microphone, and it was acknowledged by HP as well.

Brane March 19th, 2014 5:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cat (Post 8153885)
Need some advice, I'm planning on buying a new Laptop and I'm quite set on getting an Apple Mac. I know the price tag for these things are very steep but I assume that's for the sole reason is because the performance is outstanding, does anybody own a Mac Book that would recommend buying one? My prioritized use would be for gaming, and there is another reasonably similar priced Laptop that is more tailored to gaming specifically which is this one. Any recommendations from personal experience with either Laptops? I wouldn't be too bothered but with such a high price tag I wanna make sure I'm getting the most out of my money. ;3

Alright well here's where we're going to need a bit more info.

As far as laptops go, MacBooks may not have the raw specs of some other companies but the build, battery life and portability is why they're definitely some of the best going around even if they're slightly overpriced. I've got one of the new MacBook Pros as a support device for my PC and I couldn't be happier with it.

Windows Laptops generally have better specs, but in my experience they aren't as finetuned as Apple's portable devices are, but great nonetheless. But if you're going to look at any, make sure to check out ASUS, Dell and Acer as well.

Is there a reason you want a laptop? In all honesty if you're going to use it primarily for gaming, I would just go straight for a custom PC build and easily save yourself anywhere between 500-1000 dollars. Where if you're hell bent on a Laptop, like others have said it's best you get a hands on feel with something first, pictures online can be deceiving.

donavannj March 19th, 2014 7:09 PM

If he's going to be gaming, though, the cheapest MacBook's SSD simply will not cut it in terms of disk capacity, like I said before. Heck, you'd be cutting it close on space with anything less than 500 GB of space. I remember basically filling up 160 GB of data with games and game mods even back in 2007, and that was on a Windows XP build!

Brane March 19th, 2014 8:23 PM

Depends a lot on what games and how many games. My PC hasn't even been filled with 500GB of files, it is a lot of space. But if he is buying a lot of next gen games over a few he will be playing a lot (such as strategy or mmo's etc) then 500GB might get filled up. And a good MacBook will set you back a lot if you go the SSD route.

But at the same time I would definitely go for a PC build over a laptop for gaming unless a laptop is for some reason a necessity.

Legendary Silke March 19th, 2014 10:34 PM

I'll just say that having an SSD and nothing else is asking for trouble if you're a gamer ;)

One thing about gaming laptops - they might be expensive, but they're also significantly more mobile than a desktop that's tethered to an AC power outlet.

Brane March 19th, 2014 10:54 PM

I don't understand how. SSDs are much faster and generally more durable then a HDD, but a bit more expensive too haha.

Laptops do have the advantage of being mobile, but this comes at the cost of performance and functionality. If you're fine with gaming on a laptop props to you, but I honestly think you cannot get much of an experience out of one unless you aim for something high end. But at that stage you may as well invest in a PC.

As great as my laptop is, I will almost never play any regular games on it, maybe some indies but not much more. But that's just me, I simply believe the performance you get for your money is much better put into a PC.

Omicron March 19th, 2014 11:03 PM

I have to agree with Brane. If you want a gaming station, a custom built PC is the best option by far. If you really want a laptop, then buy a Windows laptop. Macbooks aren't very game friendly. They are great in many aspects and niches, but gaming is definitely not one of them.

I have a custom built PC and couldn't be happier with it.

Legendary Silke March 19th, 2014 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Brane (Post 8155269)
I don't understand how. SSDs are much faster and generally more durable then a HDD, but a bit more expensive too haha.

Games eat up space quickly, especially today's games that can come in up to 50 GB, and you'd wish you had an internal HDD.

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Originally Posted by Brane (Post 8155269)
Laptops do have the advantage of being mobile, but this comes at the cost of performance and functionality. If you're fine with gaming on a laptop props to you, but I honestly think you cannot get much of an experience out of one unless you aim for something high end. But at that stage you may as well invest in a PC.

As great as my laptop is, I will almost never play any regular games on it, maybe some indies but not much more. But that's just me, I simply believe the performance you get for your money is much better put into a PC.

You might have not realized it yet, but a PC is a PC, be it desktop, tablet, or laptop. When to comes to gaming, a desktop PC is the best option when it comes to performance-per-dollar, but I'd suspect that "good enough" is an option. One probably doesn't need to blow cash on the best if we know a target.

Brane March 20th, 2014 12:11 AM

Yes I know, but you guys get my drift anyway :P. That's where it depends on what games he is playing. Even though games can run up to 50GB, it depends on whether they will even be playing those games. I have still yet to download a game over 10GB honestly.

Well it all has to fit within the budget. You don't need to spend 4k on the latest ultimate gaming rig, just as much as you currently see fit. For 1.5k you can easily build a PC that will run modern games very well. But as I was saying before if they're buying it solely for gaming the same amount you would spend on a laptop will get you much lower performance than a PC.

But yeah it all just comes down to budget and what you need.

Tsutarja March 20th, 2014 2:27 AM

My recently-purchased Toshiba laptop isn't really meant for gaming (Intel i5 with 8GB DDR3 and mostly shared video memory), but with some lowered settings inside the games themselves, the games run flawless.

Brane March 20th, 2014 2:55 AM

Well it's really up to preference I guess, if you don't mind gaming on a laptop then all the better haha.

Does anyone have any wireless hard drives? I'm looking into getting one that is kind of like a cheap server I can use as a work hub. I've only really heard of the SeaGate and Apple Airport but the Apple won't be interchangeable with my Windows desktop.


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