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Mithel_Celestia September 4th, 2013 3:44 AM

Pokemon Bank and Transfer.
 

Pokemon has introduced a new feature for Pokemon X and Y. With this system you can finally save your Precious Pokemon from ever being lost if ever your game is lost as well. Plus a new Pokemon Transfer has finally been announced. What do you guys think of this system

Discuss!

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 4th, 2013 4:05 AM

It sounds good, but the having to pay makes it look less cool I admit.
So if one get's both games one can store them in the same Pokebank? Sounds efficient if so.

Rayquaza 97 September 4th, 2013 4:08 AM

I'm just so happy that my pokes from waaaay back (emerald) can come with me to X and Y as, although they're just files and whatnot, I have grown attached to them and have had them since I was 6(I think). On the other hand, It's quite annoying that I will have to pay for such a service, even if it can store 3000 Pokemon(I will only use about 200-300 spaces for my pokes which I've fully IV'd and EV'd). Also, this basically means RNG'd will still be around *sigh* :(. I was pretty sure there would be an app of some-sort for transfer. I just hope the bank will be simple and we not like you will only be able to transfer more than 6 an hour or some bullsh*t (and I swear to God, if we get another damn mini game where you have to catch them again or some stupid crap I will rip my 3ds in half and throw it out the window!!!!)

Tl;DR I'm happy about backwards compatibility, but not the price tag.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 4th, 2013 4:12 AM

Well the fee is annual...now to see how much. If it's 1.99 then that'll be cheap :3.

Tsutarja September 4th, 2013 4:12 AM

I can understand the reason why it's a pay service, because it goes up into the cloud onto the internet, but it's a very good feature nonetheless. It isn't a feature I don't see myself using for now though because I still have yet to have a Pokémon game where I just fill up my boxes..

Mithel_Celestia September 4th, 2013 4:14 AM

The pokemon transfer IS a free separate app. That much I know...or from what I read in the Pokemon XY site

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 4th, 2013 4:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ZachLMedia (Post 7816922)
I can understand the reason why it's a pay service, because it goes up into the cloud onto the internet, but it's a very good feature nonetheless. It isn't a feature I don't see myself using for now though because I still have yet to have a Pokémon game where I just fill up my boxes..

I almost did so back during my first game, Emerald...I still get close but not as close to filling it as I did then.

I hope we get a price soon. However it sounded as if they still haven't finished with it as they used the word "developing" several times. Which makes sense as back during E3 they were still figuring out a method according to them.

JayTheKing September 4th, 2013 4:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Mithel_Celestia (Post 7816926)
The pokemon transfer IS a free separate app. That much I know...or from what I read in the Pokemon XY site

But you need Cloud transfer to use it.

ilias_ September 4th, 2013 4:22 AM

Serebii announced that "It was also revealed that Pokémon Bank & Pokémon Transporter prevent hacked Pokémon from transferring and work with multiple copies of the games.
Pokémon Bank, and with it Pokémon Transporter, for sale in Japan on December 25th for 500¥ a year with a trial until January 31st where you have to pay afterwards
"

500¥ are like 3 Euros / 5 $. it is cheap actually. Don't know if they change the price tho for Europe and America, but the cool thing is that they won't allow hacked Pokemon make their way in the games.

iTeruri September 4th, 2013 4:26 AM

Wait, the service will start on December 25th? That's not what I expected.
The price seems reasonable, and for those who just want to use the service to transfer their old Pokémon to X and Y, the trail is quite long enough.

TCB September 4th, 2013 4:39 AM

Thank goodness it's not $5 a MONTH, then I see a lot of people having criticisms about that.

Personally, Pokemon Bank is an ingenious idea. Happy to see Game Freak/TPC actually wanting to keep the game/metagame as clean as possible.

Pokemon Transfer...I would have thought that would be a separate app. So transferred Pokemon will not be sent directly to X and Y but instead to the Pokemon Bank cloud service? Well there's a free trial but I don't think I'll be paying for the Bank....yet.

EDIT: Well it seems that Pokemon Transfer IS free...but Pokemon Bank isn't.

Quote:

When you download Pokémon Bank, you can also download the linked application Poké Transporter! When you insert a Pokémon Black Version, Pokémon White Version, Pokémon Black Version 2, or Pokémon White Version 2 Game Card into a Nintendo 3DS system, you'll be able to use Poké Transporter to transfer Pokémon from these games into their own online Boxes. Then, you can easily transfer those Pokémon into Pokémon X and Pokémon Y using Pokémon Bank!

Poké Transporter is a free downloadable application for the Nintendo 3DS system that will be available along with Pokémon Bank. Note that Poké Transporter cannot return Pokémon to Pokémon Black Version, Pokémon White Version, Pokémon Black Version 2, or Pokémon White Version 2 after they have been stored in an online Box.

Note: You may find yourself unable to use Pokémon Bank or Poké Transporter to deposit any Pokémon created illegally by software unauthorized by The Pokémon Company and Nintendo into your online Boxes, or to move these Pokémon between online Boxes.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 4th, 2013 4:40 AM

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Originally Posted by iTeruri (Post 7816950)
Wait, the service will start on December 25th? That's not what I expected.
The price seems reasonable, and for those who just want to use the service to transfer their old Pokémon to X and Y, the trail is quite long enough.

I'm not really surprised as by the language they used it's still not complete. At least I know what I'll be doing on chrismas...transferring my Pokémon over to the game.

Oh good 5 is as much as I was thinking of paying for it (may have been open for 6), so I'll proably be getting it...hey it's as expensive as getting two coffees here, plus the prize is annual which is even better than monthly!

Cool, I love it that they're going against hack Pokémon, it should make the Metagame cleaner.

Mithel_Celestia September 4th, 2013 4:43 AM

But where can the payment be? Is it the site or on the 3DS cause I can't put credits on my 3ds due to locations and if it's on the 3DSican'ttransfermypokemoneverforeverohnohnoohno!!!! DX

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 4th, 2013 4:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mithel_Celestia (Post 7816980)
But where can the payment be? Is it the site or on the 3DS cause I can't put credits on my 3ds due to locations and if it's on the 3DSican'ttransfermypokemoneverforeverohnohnoohno!!!! DX

Personally I was hoping it'll be on the 3Ds...but maybe it'll be online too? We'll proably get more details soon if not closer to release date.

blue September 4th, 2013 4:49 AM

"The Pokémon Bank application and service allows you to store your Pokémon on an online server. To ensure that the service stays running worry-free for all of its users, Pokémon Bank will be a paid service.

An annual charge will allow the service to be maintained long-term so it can provide support for future Pokémon titles. The service charge will also enable the management and maintenance needed to allow everyone access to the online storage.

Look forward to a free trial period after the launch of Pokémon Bank. Be sure to try out the software for yourself during this time to see everything that Pokémon Bank has to offer!"

TCB September 4th, 2013 4:50 AM

That's a good question about payment. I wonder if it's just through the 3DS or through a new website that compliments the PokeBank.

I believe if you can't pay the fee then your Pokemon will be on the cloud but you won't be able to take them out.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 4th, 2013 4:53 AM

According to Serebii Europe will be getting it on the 27 of December...wonder if the Us will get it that day too or on the Japanese date...or maybe on the 26 if not later than the 27th.

Also is the trial period one month?

Mithel_Celestia September 4th, 2013 4:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mithel_Celestia (Post 7816980)
But where can the payment be? Is it the site or on the 3DS cause I can't put credits on my 3ds due to locations and if it's on the 3DSican'ttransfermypokemoneverforeverohnohnoohno!!!! DX

I have no problem with paying the fee. Where to pay is what's worrying me.

Sabrewulf238 September 4th, 2013 5:19 AM

I became excited after realising it was just 500 yen a year in Japan.

I have always been wary of migrating my main pokemon because it meant having them all on the one cart, dangerous if I lose (sapphire) or damage it (diamond). So it looks like a secure cloud is the answer I've been looking for.

Do you think this might mean backwards compatibility (with compatible pokemon) in future generations? Since we'll likely still be able to use it with gen 6 even in future generations.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 4th, 2013 5:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sabrewulf238 (Post 7817041)
I became excited after realising it was just 500 yen a year in Japan.

I have always been wary of migrating my main pokemon because it meant having them all on the one cart, dangerous if I lose (sapphire) or damage it (diamond). So it looks like a secure cloud is the answer I've been looking for.

Do you think this might mean backwards compatibility (with compatible pokemon) in future generations? Since we'll likely still be able to use it with gen 6 even in future generations.

Very well could. However for now it's too early to think of such things, the games haven't even come out yet {XD}

@ Xander That'll like be the case, and will give us another reason to use the PGL.

JayTheKing September 4th, 2013 5:35 AM

Can someone defy me what kind of hacked pokemon will they prevent?
Will they prevent the Good natured/shiny ones or those that had their stats manually modified?

Sabrewulf238 September 4th, 2013 6:06 AM

Will cloned pokemon be considered hacked by the bank?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 4th, 2013 6:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Sabrewulf238 (Post 7817096)
Will cloned pokemon be considered hacked by the bank?

It depends. If you cloned it with an AR most likely not, if you used the in game cloning glitch then maybe you will be able to deposit them, that one's difficult to tell as one doesn't need an outside source for the glitch to work...

Keiran September 4th, 2013 6:30 AM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7817080)
If you did not catch it without using something like an AR, its hacked. If you used an AR to change the moves, abilities, stats, or nature of your Pokemon its a Hacked Pokemon.

I don't know if they will count RNG abuse since I think the system can apparently pick up on whether or not the Pokemon is RNG abused.

Safest thing to assume, unless you caught the Pokemon just playing through or through special events, then they won't allow it.

So AR, Off game generated Pokemon like Pokemon App created ones, and MAYBE RNG Abused Pokemon may not be allowed. First two definate, third is an IDK.

RNG abuse cannot be detected at all, so they will pass.

JayTheKing September 4th, 2013 6:34 AM

Whats RNG abuse?Pokegen-like apps?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 4th, 2013 6:37 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't RNG abuse just resetting the game until one gets the desired Pokémon? If so or if it's something along those lines I doubt they'll not let them pass.

JayTheKing September 4th, 2013 6:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7817157)
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't RNG abuse just resetting the game until one gets the desired Pokémon? If so or if it's something along those lines I doubt they'll not let them pass.

If thats the case then i dont see why not let these in!

I have seen guides about how to create legit Pokemon using Pokegen so probably not all of them will stay behind.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 4th, 2013 6:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 7817160)
My thoughts on this is that it's a pretty useful feature to have, obviously. I dont think it's something that I'll be using much, but it's good to know that it's there when I need it. The $5 cost is also really cheap and affordable, so I see no problem with this, so far. n_n

Sure is.
I think that later they may increase the storage size if they notice a lot people are capturing more Pokémon that they almost fill up the boxes. Hopefully there'll be new pc skins too, I like changing them...

Kotone September 4th, 2013 7:01 AM

when i saw this feature this morning, it made me so excited. i think it's a really great idea. i wish platinum was able to transfer though! D:

Keiran September 4th, 2013 7:23 AM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7817196)
Pokegen cannot create a legit Pokemon. I've had people make the same claim and get banned from tournaments because their legit Pokemon have data on them that the game caught as foreign. They just updated the games and the external systems as well. They may have updated it to only read those actually caught in the game and through download events/Dream world


As for RNG its abuse of an internal system. Outward systems like Pokecheck can tell when they are RNG abused because of the coding on the Pokemon. If the outside things can see that there might be an error or questions legality of capture, then the system can be created to prevent transfer of Pokemon like that.

Pokecheck actually can't determine RNG abused from not for sure, either. It just flags any Pokemon with near flawless IVs as 'possibly edited or abused'. There is literally no way for a hack check to determine RNG abuse.

They're probably just cracking down on fake GTS clones that plague wifi.

Meganium September 4th, 2013 8:48 AM

there is a god. <3

I've been waiting for this since Black/White came out, it's about time we have some sort of internet storage system where we can store our Pokemon and use them whenever! I have a ton of emotionally attached Pokemon (like my Meganium, my shiny Sceptile, and my collection of Eeveelutions) and, like the Japanese superstar mentioned in the video, I want to pass down my priceless Pokemon to my future children, so they can use them and play like how their mommy used to play. :D

Precious Tears September 4th, 2013 9:59 AM

PokeBank needs money, but I don't really mind it.
What really bothers me is the payment method...
It's most likely by visa card,
but I don't want to apply a credit card. I hate them.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 4th, 2013 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Fiery Dash (Post 7817487)
PokeBank needs money, but I don't really mind it.
What really bothers me is the payment method...
It's most likely by visa card,
but I don't want to apply a credit card. I hate them.

If only one could pay with 3DS points, then one could buy a card at any participating store nearby and use that for their payment...hopefully they'll allow that, especially for those too young to be given a credit card...

pokerex September 4th, 2013 10:47 AM

does this mean that you can actually keep your pokemon when starting a new game? I hope so because i don't have 2 3ds's.

SnowpointQuincy September 4th, 2013 11:21 AM

The FREE Version will allow ONE Gameboy to transfer your old mon to a new game! That has never been done before!

I use pokecheck to make back-up copies for my favorite pokemon. This cloud service sounds similar, except you have to pay and can't make clones.

Anything that discourages cheating is a welcome change!

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 4th, 2013 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by pokerex (Post 7817556)
does this mean that you can actually keep your pokemon when starting a new game? I hope so because i don't have 2 3ds's.

I actually didn't think of that...but one could send one's Pokémon to the PokeBank and reset the game...now that'll be nice for those who don't want to lose their favorite Pokémon but want to play the story over again.

MarinoKadame September 4th, 2013 11:26 AM

I hope the transfert with the bank will not have problems with the cloud system, like losing connection or losing some pokemons because some data were missings.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 4th, 2013 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MarinoKadame (Post 7817598)
I hope the transfert with the bank will not have problems with the cloud system, like losing connection or losing some pokemons because some data were missings.

There's that. Or someone hacking the system causing us to be unable to retrieve our Pokémon...or some Pokémon going missing due to some glitch...

MarinoKadame September 4th, 2013 11:35 AM

I'm scared of Cloud transfert since some steam game use cloud and make you loose all your progress on the game. Like that last Tomb Raider.

SaniOKh September 4th, 2013 11:50 AM

Frankly, I don't like this feature for two reasons.

I mostly play for Pokédex completion and never battle online. The only use I have for AR is to trigger events in games from previous generations (and only in those, I'll wait until X and Y release to start doing it in Black & White) , so I could get event-exclusive mons and no longer have to look at empty spaces in my supposedly "complete" Pokédex. Granted, in theory, for most event Pokémon I used AR to come across in Gen 4, the code is responsible for making items appear, which then lead to encounters with Pokémon that are generated by the games themselves, but they still might find a way to detect that it's not legit (I'm paranoid about the capture date of each Pokémon now being registered) . On the other hand, if they do tons of Wi-Fi events (emphasis on Wi-Fi) that will allow me to regain all the event Pokémon from gens 1 to 6, I'll be happy.

The second reason, and again, it's me being paranoid, is something I hated in the original concept of Xbox One: a key feature, which was working fine offline, now relies on a service on the internet. Granted, it's not as crucial to the game as in that case, the game is still playable offline, but the issue remains: if the service isn't profitable enough (which is unlikely, but in theory still possible) , the Pokémon Company might simply flip a switch and the compatibility between Gen 6 and the three previous generations will be lost for good.

A reason I might actually be happy about this service, and sign up is that, if I understand correctly, I will be able to create a "living Pokédex" (one of every species) and transfer it from game to game. After all the trading I had to do between my Gen 3 carts to get full Pokédexes in all five of them, I'll be happy not to have to do this anymore with a Pokédex almost twice as big.

Austin1395 September 4th, 2013 12:43 PM

I have a problem with paying simply because, my game essentially is my "bank". I always transfer all of my Pokemon over no mattter how long it takes. Whenever a new main series game has come out, at the earliest possible time. I transfer everything over. I've worked hard on my collection, so of course I'm going to move it. So, why should I have to pay for something I'm only going to use once? Not to mention, Pokebank just seems like the "middle man". You put in your 5th gen game, then use PokeTransfer and send it to the Pokebank, then retrieve it in X or Y. Also, the Direct shows them moving their Pokemon by entire boxes. I will literally be using this for about 5 minutes since this is the case. So again, why am I having to pay for something I will literally spend no less than 10 minutes on? I get the idea and where they're coming from and I can see why many people like it but to me, it seems like they went to too much trouble. Why not just set up Poketransfer to send them directly to X and Y? Why does PokeBank need to be able to store 3,000 Pokemon? Couldn't Nintendo and Gamefreak just added some extra boxes to the in game PC system and make it simpler? Personally, it seems like they're trying to hard. The Bank and Transfer, Pokemon-Amie, they all seem like a little much if you ask me.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 4th, 2013 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Austin1395 (Post 7817687)
I have a problem with paying simply because, my game essentially is my "bank". I always transfer all of my Pokemon over no mattter how long it takes. Whenever a new main series game has come out, at the earliest possible time. I transfer everything over. I've worked hard on my collection, so of course I'm going to move it. So, why should I have to pay for something I'm only going to use once? Not to mention, Pokebank just seems like the "middle man". You put in your 5th gen game, then use PokeTransfer and send it to the Pokebank, then retrieve it in X or Y. Also, the Direct shows them moving their Pokemon by entire boxes. I will literally be using this for about 5 minutes since this is the case. So again, why am I having to pay for something I will literally spend no less than 10 minutes on? I get the idea and where they're coming from and I can see why many people like it but to me, it seems like they went to too much trouble. Why not just set up Poketransfer to send them directly to X and Y? Why does PokeBank need to be able to store 3,000 Pokemon? Couldn't Nintendo and Gamefreak just added some extra boxes to the in game PC system and make it simpler? Personally, it seems like they're trying to hard. The Bank and Transfer, Pokemon-Amie, they all seem like a little much if you ask me.

Since you're transferring them all at one you don't need to get it, you could use the free trial and send all of them...you wouldn't even need the rest of the month's time to do so ;). I end you pay nothing...

Also the need for the "middle-man" (which I agree, that's basically what it is) is due to the DS and 3DS not being compatible for some reason or another so a middle man is sort of needed.

Keiran September 4th, 2013 12:59 PM

Personally, I don't see much use for the bank. I'm never going to want to have more than 720 Pokemon at once, let alone 1440 across 2 versions. And anyone who participated in the Magnemite fiasco when BW2 came out knows how even connecting to this thing is gonna turn out. The cost makes sense, though, but a yearly fee for something small like this is tacky.

Precious Tears September 4th, 2013 1:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MarinoKadame (Post 7817610)
I'm scared of Cloud transfert since some steam game use cloud and make you loose all your progress on the game. Like that last Tomb Raider.

Yes that's one of the other point I was worried about!
I lost a Buizel in GTS, back on the early days of DP,
and surely I don't want any same event to occur again.
I'm definitely not expecting to part with the Pokemon that have been following me for ten years.

DamienHelvian September 4th, 2013 1:18 PM

I love the bank system, and the Transfer thing finally shows that THEY WILL BE COMPATIBLE. Now we no longer have to argue about it.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 4th, 2013 1:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DamienHelvian (Post 7817722)
I love the bank system, and the Transfer thing finally shows that THEY WILL BE COMPATIBLE. Now we no longer have to argue about it.

Good thing too...of course a middle man was needed to transfer them...would've rather had it be direct...but as long as we can transfer many at once I'm fine with it xD.

iTeruri September 4th, 2013 1:22 PM

For $5/€4 a year you get enough storage space for all Pokémon you want to keep, but don't want clogging up your PC.

For $5/€4 a year you can keep all your precious Pokémon when you start a new game.

For $5/€4 a year you can transfer Pokémon from fifth gen games to sixth gen games in a matter of minutes. In the future you'll be able to transfer your Pokémon to the seventh generation. Pokémon Bank is something that's ment to stay around, not something just for this generation.

I can't see the big deal. Pokémon Bank is not just for transfering old Pokémon to your new games, that's a bonus. $5/€4 a year shouldn't be a big deal for anyone who bought a 3DS and the games, plus you get an actual service. A service that needs maintenance. Hosting all that data just can't be done for free, and the price is very reasonable.

DamienHelvian September 4th, 2013 1:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7817729)
Good thing too...of course a middle man was needed to transfer them...would've rather had it be direct...but as long as we can transfer many at once I'm fine with it xD.

That could possibly be the best part
Self-Trading is the most tedious process on the planet.
And the 6 pokemon transfer wasn't any better....
So now we can just, push entire boxes over without a care in the world. And since it's compatible with all 4 gen V versions, I won't have to trade over my last 2 boxes to Black 2.

Treecko September 4th, 2013 1:28 PM

I like this feature alot cause now I can store my Pokemon in the Cloud forever and use them whenever I want. It's much easier way to transfer Pokemon to from other games too cause I can transfer multiple Pokemon at once instead of 6 at a time through some mini-game. While the 5 dollar annual fee is a bit off-putting I get why they're doing it. They need money to keep the servers running for future games. It's the same reason why Microsoft does the same with Xbox Live or something you have to pay for every month to get special membership . At least this will be cheaper. 5 dollars a year is much easier to do than 15 or 20 a month/year. Plus the fact you can store over 3000 Pokemon is very convenient and makes it's more worth to pay for.

BubbleBeams September 4th, 2013 1:33 PM

I am extremely excited about this. And since it will only be $5/year here it's completely affordable. This will be a good way for me to restart games that I have refused to restart otherwise because I get attached to my Pokemon and I hate the idea of deleting them.

And I'm so happy that one can get Pokemon from Gen III migrated all the way up to Gen VI.

I really can't wait to take advantage of these features. :)

This will probably also be an excellent tool for breeders!!

blue September 4th, 2013 1:39 PM

Transferring Pokémon from GBA gamed to 3DS games is now obsolete, unless done by transferring from GBA > DS > 3DS which is a lenghty process. Ah well, most of my main Pokémon are on either Diamond, Heart Gold, White or Black 2 so it doesn't really matter.

DamienHelvian September 4th, 2013 2:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 7817752)
Transferring Pokémon from GBA gamed to 3DS games is now obsolete, unless done by transferring from GBA > DS > 3DS which is a lenghty process. Ah well, most of my main Pokémon are on either Diamond, Heart Gold, White or Black 2 so it doesn't really matter.

You'll still need to transfer pokemon from Gen IV to Gen V, before you can get them in Gen VI.

I have thought of a minor problem though. It's an app, and as with all apps, you need an SD card in order to even download it. Meaning anyone who doesn't have an SD card for any reason, won't be able to use this system.

iTeruri September 4th, 2013 2:25 PM

The 3DS comes with an SD card. I can't think of a reason why anybody with a 3DS wouldn't have an SD card.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 4th, 2013 2:29 PM

And if one's card has no space one will need to clean their card or upgrade to a new card...good thing I brought a new one.

DamienHelvian September 4th, 2013 2:31 PM

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Originally Posted by iTeruri (Post 7817799)
The 3DS comes with an SD card. I can't think of a reason why anybody with a 3DS wouldn't have an SD card.

People who buy a Pre-Owned/Refurbished 3DS like me because it's cheaper and they can't afford a new one?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 4th, 2013 2:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DamienHelvian (Post 7817805)
People who buy a Pre-Owned/Refurbished 3DS like me because it's cheaper and they can't afford a new one?

I brought a cheap 4G one from Walmart for nine dollars, so it's as expensive as two years worth of Pokémon Bank...

Snowdrop September 4th, 2013 2:40 PM

So basically I no longer need two systems to transfer Pokemon from older games to newer ones! WOO-HOO! I've always fecking hated that. Now I can bring back Merida and Coltzan 8D

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 4th, 2013 2:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowdrop (Post 7817821)
So basically I no longer need two systems to transfer Pokemon from older games to newer ones! WOO-HOO! I've always fecking hated that. Now I can bring back Merida and Coltzan 8D

Same here...it was an annoying method...would've preferred uploading them to a cloud or something and transferring them to the new games...

iTeruri September 4th, 2013 2:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7817814)
I brought a cheap 4G one from Walmart for nine dollars, so it's as expensive as two years worth of Pokémon Bank...

Yeah, SD cards aren't that expensive (depending on the size and where you buy it). I bought a 16 gb one for something like €20. It's more than I'll ever need on my 3DS, but I'll never have to worry about running out of space again.

DamienHelvian September 4th, 2013 2:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7817814)
I brought a cheap 4G one from Walmart for nine dollars, so it's as expensive as two years worth of Pokémon Bank...

Not everyone can even afford that

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 4th, 2013 2:51 PM

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Originally Posted by iTeruri (Post 7817825)
Yeah, SD cards aren't that expensive (depending on the size and where you buy it). I bought a 16 gb one for something like €20. It's more than I'll ever need on my 3DS, but I'll never have to worry about running out of space again.

Having a large SD card like that is very beneficial, especially for someone who plans to download XY from the e-shop as it's a large game.

I don't think the program will be too large so Damien you can buy a 2GB one. I saw a few for 4 dollars when I bought mine.

MrGriszell September 4th, 2013 3:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DamienHelvian (Post 7817826)
Not everyone can even afford that

Then chances are they can't afford a 3ds pokemon XY or a Internet service provider

Snowdrop September 4th, 2013 3:06 PM

^ Uh, no... those phones are expensive and Pkm X and Y will be the only game I get for about 6 months, probably. The 3DS took a massive chunk out of our budget and I got it at a sale price. And we have to have Internet to pay our bills and for me to do homework, it's not that much in a bundle.

MrGriszell September 4th, 2013 3:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowdrop (Post 7817851)
^ Uh, no... those phones are expensive and Pkm X and Y will be the only game I get for about 6 months, probably. The 3DS took a massive chunk out of our budget and I got it at a sale price. And we have to have Internet to pay our bills and for me to do homework, it's not that much in a bundle.

I'm sorry I'm not sure what you are saying ?

Hiatus September 4th, 2013 3:10 PM

I'm glad that they're introducing this feature. It'll be much easier now to transfer your Pokémon back and forth between each of your games. $5 a year isn't expensive at all (we spend more than that on food, laundry, and other things every day), so I'll definitely subscribe to this.

What I'm wondering is, if you ever stop paying, what would happen to your Pokémon? Would they just stay there in the cloud and you won't be able to access them until you make your payment, or would they be lost forever?

Shrew September 4th, 2013 3:13 PM

In the Pokemon Direct, they compared the Bank to past titles like Pokemon Box and the Wii Ranch, which we had to pay for. Taking this into consideration, along with how this Bank will be compatible with ALL future generations, paying doesn't sound like a bad idea.

Also, there will be a free trial. This means we can use it to quickly and permanently transfer all our previous pokemon over, without having to pay just like we have in past generations' Pal Park and BW Poke Transfer.


One thing is kind of odd: I could understand that GenV didn't allow GenIII transfers because the DSi, DS Lite, and 3DS released at that time didn't have a GBA slot. Taunting players with "you could do this if you have the obsolete DS Phat" wouldn't be promoting the idea of buying the newer game systems. But if both GenV games and GenIV are DS cartridges, why couldn't they have Pokemon Bank work with those games as well?

The idea of a trainer wanting to travel directly from Sinnoh or Johto to Kalos, as opposed to having to middleman between Unova, shouldn't be prevented.

Romaov September 4th, 2013 3:19 PM

I have a question. I've gone into random battles on bw2 with my teams and they're 100% legit no hacks no anything all caught in bw2 or platinum, or white. I could never get in with half of them, I always got the error message"there's a problem with your pokemon". Will something like that prevent me from transfering my oldpokemon to X?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 4th, 2013 3:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MrGriszell (Post 7817855)
I'm sorry I'm not sure what you are saying ?

I think Snowdrop is saying that some people end up using up all their money that even one can't afford ten dollars for some time.

Also I find it rude to keep up bringing up the whole oh ten dollars is not too much, for me it's not but currently I'm not in hardship, but others on the other hand are. XY for some people is the most entertainment one can buy. Some people even looked for cheap 3DS due to said budget...
We shouldn't jump to conclusions about one's economic status...

@Romaov, that's proably due to the said Pokémon being banned in B2W2. For more details you can go ask in the Gen V thread in the Quick Questions thread. So your Pokémon if they are legit should be allowed.

White Raven September 4th, 2013 3:49 PM

i think that paying for this service is not a good idea, I mean, this game is already expensive, I hope Gamefreak would figure that the people don't want to spend that much money!

MrGriszell September 4th, 2013 4:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7817878)
I think Snowdrop is saying that some people end up using up all their money that even one can't afford ten dollars for some time.

Also I find it rude to keep up bringing up the whole oh ten dollars is not too much, for me it's not but currently I'm not in hardship, but others on the other hand are. XY for some people is the most entertainment one can buy. Some people even looked for cheap 3DS due to said budget...
We shouldn't jump to conclusions about one's economic status...

@Romaov, that's proably due to the said Pokémon being banned in B2W2. For more details you can go ask in the Gen V thread in the Quick Questions thread. So your Pokémon if they are legit should be allowed.

Its not so much as just fact . Unfortunately as games and systems progress and the more special features we get the more expensive our hobby will get. And think about this after this generation we will have over 700 pokemon next gen over 800 by gen 8 or 9 I wouldn't be surprised if we have over a thousand pokemon, so what game freak is doing is pretty smart , and to be honest I don't mind spending a little to get alot

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Originally Posted by Jeanne1571 (Post 7817913)
i think that paying for this service is not a good idea, I mean, this game is already expensive, I hope Gamefreak would figure that the people don't want to spend that much money!

Ever played the TCG? It's a more expensive habit than the games . Game Freak is making products and services that are fun to get us to spend more

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 4th, 2013 5:23 PM

Of course they are, they need us to buy to make money lol.

However I'll describe this service as more convenient (for those of us who can afford it) than fun xD.

Mr. X September 4th, 2013 5:34 PM

I describe this service as what it is - ********.

They are charging us to transfer bits of data between two games we own. This is a blatant money grab, nothing more, and something that no real fan of the series should be able to support.

Cerberus87 September 4th, 2013 5:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. X (Post 7818043)
I describe this service as what it is - ********.

They are charging us to transfer bits of data between two games we own. This is a blatant money grab, nothing more, and something that no real fan of the series should be able to support.

Not really. In 5th gen you needed two DS systems to transfer Pokémon. This meant you needed another $129 (or whatever) system ON TOP of what you already had, just to do something trivial like transferring Pokémon. Compared to 5th gen, I'd say the new Poké Transportation system goes for chip change.

Come on, people. It's $5 a YEAR. That's ridiculously cheap. Maybe parents with low income will find it difficult to afford it, because they really should be spending money on something else, but middle to upper class kids and older players will find it extremely cheap.

Mr. X September 4th, 2013 5:55 PM

The two system requirement has always been around, no complaints with that.

My complaint though is that with this their probably isn't going to be a way to do system to system trades, 5th to 6th gen.

For older players, having multiple systems isn't really going to be that much of a concern. We get a new one, we shelf the old one till we need it. And for newer players it isn't a issue since they will probably be starting on this game.

MrGriszell September 4th, 2013 5:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cerberus87 (Post 7818058)
Not really. In 5th gen you needed two DS systems to transfer Pokémon. This meant you needed another $129 (or whatever) system ON TOP of what you already had, just to do something trivial like transferring Pokémon. Compared to 5th gen, I'd say the new Poké Transportation system goes for chip change.

Come on, people. It's $5 a YEAR. That's ridiculously cheap. Maybe parents with low income will find it difficult to afford it, because they really should be spending money on something else, but middle to upper class kids and older players will find it extremely cheap.

Thank you someone who understands.

Why don't people realize your not paying to transfer your pokemon, your paying for cloud storage for pokemon and the ability to bring your pokemon from gen 5 is a bonus for those willing to pay $.0137 a day . It's like saying free apps on the eshop cost $199 because you have to by a 3ds.

So to reiterate poke transfer = free

Pokemon Bank= $0.0137 cents a day
$0.095 cents a week
$0.38 cents a month

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Originally Posted by Mr. X (Post 7818078)
The two system requirement has always been around, no complaints with that.

My complaint though is that with this their probably isn't going to be a way to do system to system trades, 5th to 6th gen.

For older players, having multiple systems isn't really going to be that much of a concern. We get a new one, we shelf the old one till we need it. And for newer players it isn't a issue since they will probably be starting on this game.

Additionally, I live in the middle of nowhere. No access to wireless to use this service, and I'm not going to drive a half hour to town to trade pokemon between carts.

And while I feel for you, you can't stop the advancement of something just because some may not be able to take advantage of it.
To be honest good hard working people who live in the country are kinda in the minority.

For example take the population of 1 mile radius out in the country , that may equal to what maybe 500( I'm not sure where you live)
No take a place like NYC 1 mile radius equals closer to the thousands who have access to wifi

Mr. X September 4th, 2013 6:08 PM

Advancement is the inclusion of new features.

Removing the ability to trade between the ds/i and 3ds is just a dick move to create the need for a money grab that everyone seems to be willing to accept.

Mithel_Celestia September 4th, 2013 6:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MrGriszell (Post 7818085)
Thank you someone who understands.

Why don't people realize your not paying to transfer your pokemon, your paying for cloud storage for pokemon and the ability to bring your pokemon from gen 5 is a bonus for those willing to pay $.0137 a day . It's like saying free apps on the eshop cost $199 because you have to by a 3ds.

So to reiterate poke transfer = free

Pokemon Bank= $0.0137 cents a day
$0.095 cents a week
$0.38 cents a month



And while I feel for you, you can't stop the advancement of something just because some may not be able to take advantage of it.
To be honest good hard working people who live in the country are kinda in the minority.

For example take the population of 1 mile radius out in the country , that may equal to what maybe 500( I'm not sure where you live)
No take a place like NYC 1 mile radius equals closer to the thousands who have access to wifi

on top of all thats being mentioned, you will be given a 1 month free trial version upon downloading. That should be more than enough time to transfer all of your pokemon before you have to pay to continue.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 4th, 2013 6:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. X (Post 7818101)
Advancement is the inclusion of new features.

Removing the ability to trade between the ds/i and 3ds is just a dick move to create the need for a money grab that everyone seems to be willing to accept.

First off the reason one can't trade between the two is due to how 3DS games are configured which is different from the Ds games so the two games wouldn't be able to link without a middle man. Second that middle man, the cloud (Pokebank) has a server that will likely be expensive to run...so they sort of have to charge money for it or they will lose money with allowing transfering... also third GF and Nintendo could always have dropped migration to Gen VI like they did in Gen III...

Mr. X September 4th, 2013 6:27 PM

This is what you are ignoring

A person should not have to pay to trade between two games that they already own.

This is my issue with it - I've a dsi. I've a 3ds. I'd copies of black and black 2. And plan to get a copy of X. Why should I have to pay $5 a year to be able to trade from my copy of black 2 to X? Why should I have to pay for what has been a standard feature, the ability to trade from the previous generation to the next?

If they want to make money, I'm not against that. They can charge all they want for wireless trades. But they shouldn't charge for a person just wanting to trade between two games that they own.

Edit - You want a middleman? The 3DS has a SD card slot. Thats your middleman. Trading app starts, you slot in your 5th gen game cartridge and select the pokemon you want to trade over. It's copied to the card, deleted from the cartridge, and you change out the cart for the 6th game cart and then the pokemon's data transfers from the SD card to the cartridge. No need for wireless access at all.

MrGriszell September 4th, 2013 6:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. X (Post 7818101)
Advancement is the inclusion of new features.

Removing the ability to trade between the ds/i and 3ds is just a dick move to create the need for a money grab that everyone seems to be willing to accept.

It's call blame nintendo for not being able to connect a DSI and a 3ds. It's not game freaks fault my friend. They didn't remove it , they couldn't do it that way so that's why they did it this way.

Your right not everyone will accept but I bet those who won't will be in the minority , maybe 5% of the fandom if that. Think the majority of pokemon fans are in Japan which I believe the country runs on wifi lol.
And do you think they are making a huge profit on this?
Think BW sold 14 million copies so if all those sign up that's 70 million a year to maintain a cloud based server for 365 days of continuous use

45% goes to servers / CPU memory storage systems
25% goes to infrastructure / power distribution , cooling
15% goes to power draw / electrical utilities cost
15% goes to the network/ links, transits , equipment

Don't forget it has to pay for the employees to manage it and yes it is reasonable for the pokemon company to make a profit.
It seems like Nintendo is one of the few good corporations out their left that doesn't corrupt out politics , screws out economy or ask for bailouts , so lets give them something.

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Originally Posted by Mr. X (Post 7818136)
This is what you are ignoring

A person should not have to pay to trade between two games that they already own.

This is my issue with it - I've a dsi. I've a 3ds. I'd copies of black and black 2. And plan to get a copy of X. Why should I have to pay $5 a year to be able to trade from my copy of black 2 to X? Why should I have to pay for what has been a standard feature, the ability to trade from the previous generation to the next?

If they want to make money, I'm not against that. They can charge all they want for wireless trades. But they shouldn't charge for a person just wanting to trade between two games that they own.

Look at it this way. They could of pull a gen 3 on us and not have us able to transfer at all
If given the choice to leave are pokemon behind or pay a small fee which is not even 10% of a minimum wage worker weekly paycheck to bring them over I choose to pay.
Keep in mind no ones forcing you to buy this

BraveNewWorld September 4th, 2013 6:35 PM

I was very excited for Pokemon transfer. It seemed like a much more efficient and simplistic way of moving mons through generations than methods used in the past. Now I'm left disappointed that I'll have to pay for such a service.

Over the course of my life I, and my parents on my behalf, have payed hundreds of dollars on the Pokemon franchise. Now I feel like I'm being nickel-and-dimed.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 4th, 2013 6:42 PM

First month is free so you can transfer them all over in that amount of time...
Darn I feel like a broken record...

MrGriszell September 4th, 2013 6:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7818166)
First month is free so you can transfer them all over in that amount of time...
Darn I feel like a broken record...

I like to pretend I'm a congressman lobbying for game freak, just think west wing meets pokemon lol

Mr. X September 4th, 2013 6:45 PM

Not for everyone. The first month of the service being open is free... But what about those who buy the game after the free period is over?

Ask yourself this - They are charging for the ability to trade between gens now. When it comes to money, people always want a little bit more... So... Do you honestly think they will stop there? What else will they decide to start charging for next?

BraveNewWorld September 4th, 2013 6:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7818166)
First month is free so you can transfer them all over in that amount of time...
Darn I feel like a broken record...

I realize this but it's not sufficient.

It's also not the amount of money that they want for this service. It's the fact that they want money that irritates me. Pokemon is the second most profitable gaming franchise behind only Mario. They can offer a free cloud service and still turn a considerable profit.

They've reduced in game storage and are offering a free 1 month subscription for a cheap service. It comes off as sleazy.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 4th, 2013 6:51 PM

Good point...but it starts in late December so one has three months to get the games.
@ Mr. Griszell lol. I feel like a moderate congressman here...caught between the two sides...sigh...another base breaker just had to come along didn't it?!

MrGriszell September 4th, 2013 6:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BraveNewWorld (Post 7818190)
I realize this but it's not sufficient.

It's also not the amount of money that they want for this service. It's the fact that they want money that irritates me. Pokemon is the second most profitable gaming franchise behind only Mario. They can offer a free cloud service and still turn a considerable profit.

They've reduced in game storage and are offering a free 1 month subscription for a cheap service. It comes off as sleazy.

It's not sleazy it's bussiness you socialist
Their price is already dirt cheap .
Lol I don't mean your an actual socialist it just fitted in with my speech lol

Mr. X September 4th, 2013 7:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7818191)
Good point...but it starts in late December so one has three months to get the games.

Starts 12-25, ends 1-31. So 5 weeks.

MrGriszell September 4th, 2013 7:04 PM

What I'm trying to get across is, would I like the service for free sure why not but I'm a realist I know as time goes on we will have to pay for other perks. Will I stop playing pokemon because of this ? Of course not. We just have to get used to it

Mr. X September 4th, 2013 7:08 PM

And with how common that attitude is - Their is nothing we can do, just accept it - it's no wonder why game companies are now putting profits ahead of customers.

MrGriszell September 4th, 2013 7:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. X (Post 7818213)
And with how common that attitude is - Their is nothing we can do, just accept it - it's no wonder why game companies are now putting profits ahead of customers.

But at least with Game Freak its one of the least expensive game franchise and we do get the right amount of bang for our buck

MrGriszell September 4th, 2013 7:22 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7818229)
Except this was done because they put the customer first. There was no way to transfer before this came into existance. Would you have them show an attitude saying there wouldn't be any transfer method this generation so all the fans, you just wasted years of your life and money because you can't bring any of those pokemon to the new games?

The made this because they wanted to support the fans. This is Customer over money. Not Money over customer.

I agree with you 100%
I just couldn't word it that way at the time of my response

Mr. X September 4th, 2013 7:32 PM

Again, look up. I've pointed out a alternative to the cloud system, one that requires the customer to pay no additional money.

I'll point it out again. SD Card. The 3DS comes with a SD slot, most of them even come with a free SD card!

That is your expanded storage and trading method for a portable console.

My issue is that they are practically charging you for the ability to trade pokemon.

Edit - And even then, the data that they are storing? Pretty much a slice of save data. And the size of the save data? Proably won't be more then 2 MB, 4 tops. So really? $5 a year to store 4 MB of data. Small cost, small data... But overpriced when you realize that there are services that provide you a full gig of cloud storage for free.

Any way you cut it, it's a rip off.

DamienHelvian September 4th, 2013 7:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7817835)
Having a large SD card like that is very beneficial, especially for someone who plans to download XY from the e-shop as it's a large game.

I don't think the program will be too large so Damien you can buy a 2GB one. I saw a few for 4 dollars when I bought mine.

Oh I've got one, I have tons of them around the house, even some really old 32MB ones XD
The one in my system is a microsd 8GB I think.
I'm talking about the other people....
And speaking of which I still barely got my 3DS and its a refurbished one...It just counts as both a birthday and a christmas present.

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Originally Posted by MrGriszell (Post 7817849)
Then chances are they can't afford a 3ds pokemon XY or a Internet service provider

A lot of them will be Kids, who got the System and games for birthdays and such. My Pokemon Y preorder was from my birthday money from my grandma.
And if they have strict budget parents, chances are, they don't have an SD card.

MrGriszell September 4th, 2013 7:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DamienHelvian (Post 7818254)
Oh I've got one, I have tons of them around the house, even some really old 32MB ones XD
The one in my system is a microsd 8GB I think.
I'm talking about the other people....
And speaking of which I still barely got my 3DS and its a refurbished one...It just counts as both a birthday and a christmas present.



A lot of them will be Kids, who got the System and games for birthdays and such. My Pokemon Y preorder was from my birthday money from my grandma.
And if they have strict budget parents, chances are, they don't have an SD card.

Yea I guess , but I guess I don't see the big deal regarding kids because pokemon red was the only pokemon game that was bought for me I bought the rest with money I earned , keep in mind I was born in 1990

Mp3beast September 4th, 2013 7:57 PM

I don't like that I'll need a gen V game to use this, because I sold my White version when I discovered how un-fun it was. So basically this means I can't bring my old powerhouses into Y unless I go buy B/W again. Ugh...

Mr. X September 4th, 2013 8:08 PM

If SD cards were still limited to 16/32mb/real low amount then it could take more cards.

Here's the thing - Even with the size increases to their data that comes with a new gen, it's still not going to exceed a kb per pokemon. Right now, pkm files? 136 bytes. Thats all the data for one pokemon. It doesn't have to store it's graphics, it's sounds, or the graphics for it's attacks because that is included in the game. All that the file stores is the identifying information for the pokemon - Id numbers, levels, moves, those kind of things. Even if it jumps to a full kb, this still wouldn't take up a whole lot of space. Well, any space really due to the size of memory cards now. We've cards that go up to 128 GB now. But still, a common 4 GB card would be more then sufficient. Hell, even a 2 would be.

And a regular SD card isn't coded for anything. It's designed to hold data, any kind of data. As long as the data is, at it's core, made of zeros and ones the SD card could care less what is put on it.

The same applies to all memory cards. The only major difference between cards is their storage space and shape. While some preform better then others - faster read/write rates - they are all of similar performance. Micro, Mini, and SD are all the same type of cards really - Just diffrient sizes for diffrient electronics.

And memory corruption? The same can happen to the data that gets stored in their services. The storage medium that they will use will be susceptible to corruption the same as any memory card. Hard drives, solid states, hybrids, flash... Doesn't matter. All are susceptible to corruption.

Conversion will take space but mostly for the conversion app. And even then, the program isn't going to be that big.

Mr. X September 4th, 2013 8:36 PM

Here's another thought..

What will the bank be tied to? A user id? A specific cartridge? Or the console?

As for the data increases, again, even with all the extra data added it still isn't going to be that large. You see it as the data is going to have a drastic increase to a few mb per pokemon. It isn't. And again, all that is stored with the pokemon is it's identifying data. Not anything else.

This is what would be saved to the card, in a non-specific format. The pokemon's identifying data. When transfering it over, the transfer program would read the data and convert it to whatever new format the 3ds would use. You seem to think that a supercomputer is required for a simple conversion and update - It isn't. The hardware in the 3ds is more then sufficient for such a task.

Again, identifying data. The save doesn't have its graphics, it's sounds, it's move graphics... But simple pointers that specify what graphic to show when viewed, what sound to play when selected, what graphics to use when it attacks. None of these are stored in the pokemons data. Just pointers to where the data would be located on the cartridge.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 4th, 2013 8:46 PM

I hope that PokéBank will have gift Pokémon after reaching a certain target of Pokémon...it'll motivate People to catch more.

Boilurn September 4th, 2013 9:01 PM

I was actually thinking about an idea of having some sort of PokeBank, where you can safely put your money there, but I agree that saving Pokemon is a much better idea.


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